November 9, 2023 • 57 mins
In this year’s Wishbone Brawl at Goat Hill Park in Oceanside, Calif., women won’t just play with the men, they’ll play against them.
This Saturday, Nov. 11, at a 4,500-yard municipal golf course where the motto is “World Class for Working Class,” what has become one of the greatest events in golf will open the gates at 9:30 AM, there will be a range clinic at 11 AM and the tournament tips at Noon. Tickets are $50 for adults, kids are free and dogs are welcome. There will be food, drinks and parking is somewhat limited, so carpooling or Ubering is encouraged. All proceeds will benefit North County Junior Golf Association and Goat Hill Park’s Junior Caddie and Leadership Academy.
This year’s Brawl will consist of bona fide professionals and elite amateurs, they’ll dust off persimmon woods, pick up junior caddies, and they’ll play in front of roughly 1,000 adults, 300 kids and 100 dogs.
“It’s kind of a homemade backyard hang-out scene,” says John Ashworth, caretaker of Goat Hill Park. “Winning and losing doesn’t really matter, it’s just about having a blast, getting the whole community together and doing something special for the kids.”
It’s Xander Schauffele, who has seven PGA Tour wins, an Olympic Gold Medal and is currently No. 6 in the world, teaming up with Chris Riley, who won a PGA Tour event and partnered with Tiger Woods in the 2004 Ryder Cup. They’re playing against Geoff Ogilvy, who won the 2006 U.S. Open, and Colin Featherstone, a local and current Korn Ferry Tour player. And then there’s Jasmine and Janae Leovao, 19-year-old twins who grew up at Goat Hill Park and are now sophomores at Long Beach State where they recently helped the 49ers win back-to-back tournaments.
“I think the twins could win the whole damn thing,” says Peter Beames, who once played on the European Tour and has written books on golf instruction. “They’re that good and they’re not afraid.”
For a deeper dive on this year’s Wishbone Brawl, we’ve prepared a Fire Pit Podcast in which you’ll hear from Ashworth, Beames, Featherstone, the Leovao twins and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Are you guys practicing with Simmons and how does that?
How's that going?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, we've been practicing them ever since. The day we
flew back from our last tournament. Our dad drove up
and John Ashworth dropped off some Lynxoul for Simmons to us,
which are super nice. Yeah, and we've just been practicing
with them ever since. It's so hard, but I think
I'm getting the hang of it a little bit and
(00:28):
I'm just gonna try to not be nervous and let
that affect me. Yeah, we have Lynksoul drivers and then
I think we were trying out Ben Hogan like three wood,
five wood, four wood, which we're hitting pretty good. So
as long as I can overcome nerves, I think I
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think it'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Nobody here is given time. Welcome to the fire pit
with Matt Chanella. Good to be back around the fire
pit before we get to all things. Wish Bone Brawl
one of the greatest events in golf that involves bona
fide tour players and elite amateurs playing for Simmon Woods
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at Goat Hill Park where there's no ropes, lots of
kids and dogs all in the spirit of raising money
for junior golf in Oceanside, California. Here's a quick summary
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sponsor of the Wishbone bral which everyone appreciates. It'll be
flowing yet again this Saturday in Oceanside, where it'll be
clear skies and temperatures in the seventies. And then there's Olacai,
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which makes durable handmade premium footwear. Not only are they
an official sponsor of My Journeys and travel content, but
they're also sponsoring this year's Wishbone bral And so with
that we start off with Peter Beams aka the Professor,
a spiritual guide of sorts, a longtime friend of John Ashworth,
a former European tour player who has written books on instruction.
(02:48):
He starts every day off at the goat well before sunrise,
prepping the fire pit and parking carts, making sure the
place is presentable to the masses. He also serves as
the rules official and referee on Saturday. I bumped into
him on Wednesday morning as he was raking up leaves
on the left side of the eighteenth fairway. What do
you think about the Wishbone braw this year? I'm so
(03:10):
excited always.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Why do you think I'm out here getting the.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Tinsel out of the way. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I mean to have all these incredible golfers come here
to our little golf course is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You very kind and you will, all of you. How
about the Layovow twins with the lead twins, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
They're going to be number one and two in the world,
so that's gonna be something to watch. Who's gonna be
We won't even know who's one h two. Yeah, that's
gonna be something. I think they could win. I'm putting
my money on they can win the whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Jasmine and janey Laoval combined for the opening audio clip
on practicing with per Simmons, and we'll get to more
with them in a bit, but for now, here's John Ashworth,
the self proclaimed caretaker of Goat Hill Park. He took
over the lease of the municipality in twenty fourteen. It
has gotten better every day since. Ashworth has literally saved
(04:06):
an underachieving community asset and much needed green space. Simply put,
the fashion icon is the Goat of the Goat, the
Wishbone Brawl and kind of this evolution of this event.
What's it mean to you now? Going into six years?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Wow, I mean I can't believe it's six years. Really.
I mean, it's just it's kind of flown by, and
you know, every year we just do it by the
seat of our pants, you know what I mean, We
kind of forget we're gonna do it, and then all
of a sudden we're going, you know, oh god, we
get the Wishbone Brawl coming up. But you know because
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the first year, literally it was my birthday on the
driving range at goat Hill Park when Dean Wilson said, hey,
why don't we do something, you know, to help raise
money for the kids. And I was like, bingo, yeah,
let's do something. He goes, I can invite some buddies,
we can play, you know, maybe we can raise some money.
(05:10):
You know, I'll get Charlie Hoffman and maybe we'll ask Sander,
and you know, it kind of started super organic like that,
and I was kind of going, yeah, right, okay. I
was like, d okay, you go get those guys. We'll
do something. And then it was sort of like, well
they're kind of all off around Thanksgiving, so we just started,
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you know, piecing it together over you know, that first year,
and you know, you were involved too, and it was like, God,
it's such a short course. Let's haven't hit Persimmon woods.
You know, we're always in the Persimmon Woods up there. Okay,
check kids. You know, this is for the North kunt
of Junior Golf. And I don't think we had even
started the Caddy Academy yet. We hadn't really because that's
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been going four years, so anyway, that's kind of how
it started. And it's you know, we don't rent it
out to an event company. We do it all in house,
so it's you know, it's kind of a homemade backyard
hangout scene, you know. And uh, you know, Jeff, Jeff
(06:18):
Cunningham came up with a name, which was brilliant, you know,
because it was around Thanksgiving and you know, uh, when
you fight for the wishbone, you know, that's our whole
logo and whoever's the stronger it gets the bigger half
and all that stuff. So you know, that was great
(06:39):
and then, uh, yeah, it's just been it's been really
every year is different for some reason. You know, there's
a different I don't think we've ever had the exact
same field, you know, Xander's you know, unfortunately Dean can't
make it this year, which is a bummer, but he'll
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missed the first year. But Xanders would have played every
all six of them. Him and Dean a pretty much dominated.
I think they've won three maybe I don't know. You know,
winning and losing doesn't really matter. It's just about having
a blast and getting the whole community together. And you know,
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do something special for the kids.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So again. This year's Wishbone Brawl consists of Xander Shoffley
and Chris Riley versus Jeff Ogilvie and Colin Featherstone versus
Jasmine and Janey Leovau. The format is best ball of
the twosome, three teams of two, an eighteen hole stroke
play brawl for it All. It tips at noon on Saturday.
(07:49):
Here's Will Crop, former captain of the golf team at
the University of Oklahoma who had a win on the
PGA Tour Latin America, who now along with his wife
Morgan and son calls Goat Hill Park home. Crop gives
lessons and runs Goats Junior Caddy and Leadership Academy. He
partnered with Fred Couples in the twenty twenty one Wishbone
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bra and has the course record of ten under. Oh
by the way, he did that playing with per Simon Woods.
You're somebody who has watched the Wishbone, played in the Wishbone,
Like what in your mind you've played you know, highly
competitive events, you're pro, You're like you've been all over
(08:32):
the world playing golf. Like, try to summarize the essence
and what makes the wishbone bral like special.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Great question.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I mean, I think the biggest thing that hit home
right off the bat was being home, playing in front
of the people that you're you know, in the community with.
I think that was a really really cool experience, especially
since it's so up close and personal. You're essentially walking
around with a thousand of your closest friends right next
(09:03):
to you, and I think that added a whole different
level than in anything that I've experienced. When we play
professional golf on the road, you're on the road, you're
not playing in home tournaments and maybe very rarely does
somebody have a home tournament, maybe a Jason Day and
Columbus kind of thing, but very rarely does that ever happen.
So kind that element in itself of being at home,
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being in front of the people that you spend every
day with, it just made it that much cooler. I
think that was the biggest takeaway, and even the week
leading up to it, I felt pressure from myself in
that sense, just wanting to perform well, wanting to play
well in front of everybody because you feel like you
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have the whole community on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
A perfect segue to the idea of adding the lay
of our Twins to the sixth Annuel Wishbone Brawl. Jasmine
and Janey Lao are nineteen. They are sophomores at Long
Beach State where they're on scholarship to play on the
women's golf team. They've grown up at Goathill Park and
their products of the North County Junior Golf Association and
goad Hill Park's Junior Caddy and Leadership Academy, the two
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beneficiaries of all proceeds raised by ticket sales and the
online auction, which can be found at linksoul dot com.
As you'll hear, the Layovout twins have caddied in the
Wishbone Brawl and now they're competitors Goathill Park at four
five hundred yards par sixty five. It's the ideal venue
and event to get women involved. Not just playing with
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the men, they're playing against them. Back to Ashworth, how
did you let the twins know that they were in?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I actually haven't even talked to them yet. I talked
to Jan. Jan was the mediator on that one, so
through I went through their dad Jen.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And how'd that go?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Well? You know it was, it was great. He was
shocked and you know, surprised but loved it. And they
were like saying, you know, there, you talked to him,
So I haven't even talked to him. So you tell
me how they just over the moon or what.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Meet Jasmine and Janey Leoval, who are zooming in from
their dorm room at Long Beach State. It's almost impossible
to tell them apart, not only in person, but also
as an audio experience. In this case, we start with Janey,
but they both provide answers and anecdotes here and throughout
the podcast. How did you guys find out you were
in this year's Wishbone?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Bro Our dad he sent us a text saying that
he needed to talk to us, and we had no
idea what it was about, so we were like nervous already.
And then he called us and said that they had
really good news. And then he said John Ashworth reached
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out to him and asked if we wanted to play
in the Wishbone.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
At first, like our initial reaction, I was kind of scared.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I didn't know what to say and was contemplating if
we should play in it or not because didn't know
how Like we've always been a part of the wishbhone,
but like playing in his whole different story and in
front of that many, that many people was definitely.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Gonna be different than what we're used to because.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
At first we didn't really want to play because we
didn't think we're ready for that. We've always like thought
about playing in the wish Phone and like it was
kind of a dream like come true to like be
able to do this, but I thought we would be
playing it as a pro.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
But here we are college amateur golfers. Super cool opportunity.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, I got chills for you guys. I mean,
obviously I've been popping in and out of the Goat
community for a long time, and I feel like, you know,
we all feel like we've watched you guys grow up.
You're still growing up, but like, you know, it's just
been this amazing thing to watch and you know, to
know that you grew up in North County Junior Golf
(13:27):
and then Goadhill Park and caddying at the Wishbone Brawls
from the beginning to now competing like that narrative arc
and that storyline and again it's kind of still going.
But that's that to me is what's so sweet and
special about the community, goad Hill Park, the Wishbone Brawl
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and what's going to transpire on Saturday? Right?
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We started I think we still as scorekeepers one year,
and then we were sign bears and then caddies, and
then last year we were working the hot dog stand
with our brother and we actually didn't even get to
watch the Wishbone because we were working. And now we're
playing it. It's really funny to see how we've been
(14:21):
like every part of this this event.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They originally worked as like scorers and standard bearers. Yeah,
and then they caddied and last year they actually didn't
get to see the Wishbone ball because they were helping
their brother make hot dogs.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's right, that's I mean, how good is that? Oh
my god?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Well that's that's Isn't.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
That the greatest thing about it? Because and you know,
like you said, you have to pinch I have to
pinch myself because I mean I feel like I'm just
objectively looking at the whole thing, going this is this
really happening?
Speaker 10 (15:04):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
It's such a unicorn, isn't it. That's the only way
to describe it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It's actually a team of Unicorns. The Layovout Twins will
have the Lee Twins, Ada and Annabelle, also products of
North County Junior Golf and Goats Junior Caddy Program, who
have caddied in the last two Wishbone Brawls. Remember when
Fred Couples grabbed the bullhorn on the eighteenth green and
declared they were the best two caddies in San Diego.
Speaker 11 (15:32):
My partner and I had the best two caddies in
San Diego.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I think that's so cool. The twins and twins is
just perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
At some point, we're going to look over and we're
going to see the two of you guys, you know,
lining up a putt with the Lee Twins helping you
read the green. Yeah, I mean, like, who do you
defer to?
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Who?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Actually who's love?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I don't think they'll be able to tell who's who,
Like we could all swish at any time, Yeah, but
only like all twins, Like we can all tell easily.
So that'll be funny for the August.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Who's the best green reader of all four of you guys, I.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Think definitely them.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
Yeah, they're actually pretty good at reading.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I know, like I've seen them caddy and they're always
like really confident in their lines when like telling people
where to go, and I'm not confident in like telling
people where to go because I don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
But they just straight up like yeah they trust.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And yeah, I think they're like really amazing caddies and
it's super cool to have them there.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
It's just a perfect story for the Wishbone.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Just give me a quick update on where you guys
are in terms of your college careers. What's going on
Long Beach State, and how's this season going, and how
are your individual seasons going.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, we just finished our fall season, and this one
we broke eleven records.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
As a team. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, we kept starting for the second tournament, we tied
like a total team score record, and then in the
next tournament we tied that in the first day and
then we ended up breaking the record, and then we
broke it again in the next next tournament and the final,
and then we broke the individual low in the second
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day and I broke a I think a fifteen year
old record of by one. Yeah, of my individual score
because I shot sixty four.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And also today I found out that I won a
Big West Golfer of the month in October and my
scoring average.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
For October was under seventy.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, oh my god, Janney, here's Ashworth again.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Those guys better buckle up, man, because they don't know
what's about d Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I mean, you got girls who have grown up playing
that golf course and they've got two of the best
caddies on property right now in their corner. So you
got the layoout twins, the lead twins. You got like
some serious, you know power, some like legitimate power going
(18:42):
on there back to the twins. So things are going well.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, we won our last two tournaments as a team,
which is the first time that Long Beach has ever
gone back to back in the history of the entire program. Yeah,
he's setting so many records. It's super cool to be
part of history there. And I'm going to continue to
break it too in the spring. Yeah. We actually did
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an interview before before the second tournament and he was
asking about how we feel, or is after the second
After the second tournay, he was asking how we felt
about breaking a record and I said that it wasn't
safe still, and I wasn't satisfied because I know We're
gonna break it in the next tournament, and then the
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next the first day of the next tournament, we broke it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like I said, some serious power. I asked the twins
what it's like to feel so much local love?
Speaker 9 (19:43):
So cool to see them support us all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I feel like every every time, like we stepped foot
on go Hill, you can just like we have so
much support and love and support from everyone. And I
know that for this tournament, there's a lot of people
that believe in us and that we can even win,
which to me is slightly delusional, but it's super cool
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that they're rooting for us and that they'll be proud
of us no matter what. Yeah, we've been telling a
lot of people that we're going to play in this
and that it's like a pretty big deal, and so
a lot of people are like, I want to watch.
So it's cool that we're bringing a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Back to will Crop, who chimes in on the.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Twins, I called Goat Hill home, but I've only been
here since twenty twenty, so that is to put that
in perspective. It has become my home, but it's not
my home, and for them it's been their home since
they could barely walk, so I can't imagine just the
feelings and emotions that they have to be going through
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leading up to it. I know they've been playing a
ton of golf in college, they've been playing tournaments, So
I have confidence that they'll be able to handle that
pressure because they've been doing it over and over and
so I don't necessarily think that they I think that
they're going to play great golf.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I think they're going to show up.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I think it's going to be absolutely I think we'll
have possibly one of the best moments.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
In Wishtown history.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I don't know where it's going to come from, but
I think it's going to come from them and just
the moment that everybody's going to share, from Jasmine and
Janey to Annabelle and Ada on the bag there and
then jan and Bobby in the crowd. I think it'll
just be incredible. I really think there's going to be
an incredible moment.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You can't lose, right, Like, there's no way you can
walk away from this situation, lose them, because no matter
where you finish, you're getting a chance to play in
front of a big crowd. There's going to be love
and support. It's your home course. You're playing with. You know,
it's competition, but it's a friendly competition in the sense
that there's no there's no you know, there's nothing really
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on the line other than trying to support you know,
kids like you were a few years ago. Yeah, is
that the way you see it?
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I think I'm obviously just like extremely nervous for this tournament,
just because we're playing with pros and in front of
like a thousand people. But overall, it's just gonna be
an opportunity of a lifetime. I don't think many people
get to experience something like this, and it's just gonna
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be an amazing learning opportunity. And you know, if we
want to become a pro golfer and become great, then
we have to get used to something like this, playing
with pros and in front of a large crowd. So
super exciting that we get to do this early on
in our career.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, Jasmine, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I think this is like a pretty big stepping
stone in our career overall, and I'm just super excited.
And yeah, we can't lose either way. I think we
won the hearts of the people already. Yeah, looking at
the comments on goa Hill's posts. Seeing some We're like,
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it's gonna feel like Rome to Xander because of the
amount of people rooting for us, and it was so
funny to see.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Back to Ashworth, Laveo Twins said they've been monitoring the
social media and that they've seen that they feel like
they already have the hearts of the crowd, and that
some people were making comments like Xander's gonna feel like
he's in Rome with everybody rooting against him.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's true.
Speaker 12 (23:41):
Everybody, I run up everybody, I run into it the goats,
and my money's on the Twins. I swear I must
have had twenty people say I'm rooting for the Twins
or something about the Twins, and seriously, everyone's gonna be jacked.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Also jacked is Colin Featherstone, Another local and first time
wishbone brawler. Featherstone graduated from San Diego State in twenty twelve.
He turned pro shortly after. He had a long run
on many tours, specifically the Canadian Tour and PGA Tour
Latin America. In twenty twenty, after a mixed bag of
success and struggles and when COVID hit, Featherstone stopped chasing
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it and started working at Titlist, only a few miles
from Goat Hill Park. He collected data and feedback on
prototype clubs.
Speaker 10 (24:29):
I learned a lot while I was there, and it
was a really cool experience.
Speaker 13 (24:33):
And I was lucky enough to be based at TPI,
the Titleist Performance Institute in Oceanside, and I placed as
Golf Heaven, so.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
It was a pretty cool office to go to every day.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
And then yeah, in twenty twenty two, I got the
opportunity playing again. I had someone I played a few
rounds of golf with asked why I wasn't playing professionally anymore,
and they offered to help me with some expenses that year.
And I got through Q school that year in twenty
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twenty two and played the full year on the Contrary
Tour this last year.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
So it's been a wild ride.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Okay, he's paid his dues. Man, he's you know, we've
seen Colin you know, over the years. I mean he
went from trying to play, then he got a job
at tide List and found himself, went back, got on
the corn ferry. But throughout all he's always hung out
of the Goat. He's always played the monthly medals. He's
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always he's helped us on the course, driving the workmen
up to number seven, dropping dirt, you know, and we
had projects going on, weeding the hill on b Hill.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He always shows up and I just love that kid.
He's just awesome.
Speaker 13 (25:59):
Anyone that meets is immediately drawn to him just for
his personalities, so open and humble, and Ash has become
a good friend of mine, which I'm proud to say
he's you know he I met Ash in like twenty fifteen,
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and I was just playing on many tours and I
was delusional thinking I should have some sort of clothing sponsor.
And I met Ash and he hooked me up with
some clothes, and honestly that that gave me more confidence
than anything, knowing that I had some sort of clothing sponsor.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
For some reason, it was like, oh, I've made it.
I have a clothing sponsor, which in no way should
he have given me any clothes at that point.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
But that's just Ash, Like he's such a good guy
and so humble and open to helping people. And yeah,
we've our relationship has grown over the past, you know
how for many years, eight years, and he's just always
in good spirits and what he's done for the community
and what he continues to do for the community and
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for Goat Hill. He's always out there, you know, he's
getting his hands dirty every day, every project that's going
on out there.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Ash is right in the middle of it, which is
really cool to see. And yeah, proud to call him
a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So what's your history with Goad Hill Park.
Speaker 13 (27:27):
Oh, that's a complicated question. My history with Goat is
that I kind of stumbled.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
Upon it as well.
Speaker 13 (27:37):
I played it a few times before it was saved,
I guess in twenty fourteen, and the boy was it
different after it it was. It was saved by Ash
and the crew. But yeah, I went out there, I
believe in twenty fourteen, right after Ash took over, and
just fell in love with the place. It's so it
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was so raw, it still is, and I just love
the fact that you could go get around in with
your buddies for twenty bucks and you got an ocean
view and an ocean breeze and you can play music
and everything's just so casual. And at that time, you know, I.
Speaker 10 (28:18):
Was a couple of years out of college.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
I was playing professionally at the time, and I was
playing a lot of serious golf, so it was really
fun to go to a place that allowed for casual
golf but also serious still at the same time, because
most golfers are competitive, so we get some really good
games out there. And but I just I loved the
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laid back vibe of Goat Hill and fell in love with.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
It at that time, and it's kind of a second
home for me now.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So how did you find out you were involved in
this year's Wishbone bra.
Speaker 13 (28:54):
So Ash called me. Ash just, uh, yeah, I saw
I Yash out there all the.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
Time and and he kind of gave me a.
Speaker 13 (29:03):
Heads up like, hey, we're we're kicking the tires on
a few guys and if they can't make it, you're in.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
And you know, I totally understand.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
We got to try to get some some really big
names in there that are affiliated with Link Soul, and.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
And the scheduling just worked out.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
And called me and said, hey, you're in, and I
was like, perfect, I've been waiting five years to play
in this thing.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah, it was a special call once I knew Fred
was for sure out, and Fred was he was trying
to make it work, but he had a commitment that
he just couldn't get out of. So it'll be interesting
to see if he wants to come back next year.
I don't know. I hope so, but but yeah, uh
and he yeah. Colin's like I couldn't believe it either.
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He was like, you don't kid me.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You know this?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
You know?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Are you sure it's just real? Come on? So he's
all fired up. I saw him today out there playing.
Who's out of practicing. He can't wait for it to start, once,
to start tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're been an observer, You're a part of the community.
There have been years where it's been hard to watch,
feeling like I want I want in on this. Let
me I could, I can do this? And now you
get that chance.
Speaker 13 (30:26):
Yeah, I think as a competitor, anyone would watch that and.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
Just want to be involved.
Speaker 13 (30:33):
So, you know, I've always had a lot of fun
watching watching the event, but every year I just think
I just want to be playing. So I'm really excited
to get my chance this year and hopefully I can
show up and make a lot of birdies.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Your year this year on the corn Ferry kind of
summarize the season, the events, the highs and lows.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Yeah, there were plenty of highs and plenty of lows.
For sure.
Speaker 13 (31:03):
It's a long season, twenty six events coming off of
a couple of years of not playing tournament.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Golf, it was a really long year for me, just.
Speaker 13 (31:15):
The travel and not having played a full season out
there before.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
I was going into.
Speaker 13 (31:20):
Every week trying to learn every course, figure out where
to hit it or not to hit it. And it's
just like I said, it's a long season. And I
really enjoyed my time out there, and I ended up
finishing ninety first on the points list, which should give
me some fairly good conditional status in the next year.
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So hopefully I'll get into some of the early events
at the start of the year and reshuffle.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
In and play the whole year again. So I'm really
hoping to get.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
Another opportunity to go play all these courses that I've
now played and kind of don't have to get in
on Monday and just grind Tuesday Wednesday to figure out
the courses and then get into Thursday. So yeah, it
was it was really fun. It was fun to be
back into competition and competition on that type of stage
with an opportunity to get a PGA tour card. So
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just looking forward to next year and having that same opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You have three nine unders that go to a park
with for Simmon Woods.
Speaker 13 (32:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, does haunt me now that Will has
ten under.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You're really good at second best.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 13 (32:39):
It was first best for a while and then we'll
shot ten under and then I was back to the
drawing board. Now I'm just trying to shoot ten under
every time I play, which is also a great mindset
to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Back to Will Crop on all things course record.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Somebody eventually will go to eleven.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
I'm not under the impression that I'll hold it forever.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
It might be me that goes to eleven. I don't know,
but we'll see.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
If Collins shot eleven under in the Wish John on Saturday,
I would be the first and happiest guy to shake
you his hand because that would be an unbelievable accomplishment.
So I think the cool thing about having Calling up
there along with Peko, along with every great player up
at Goat Hill, is that we push each other to
do better. And I think that is such an amazing
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opportunity for us, and we've talked about that, is we're
always traveling on the road. Now some of us have
kids and stuff, but man really leaning in and setting
up these games where I mean, we have world class
players right there at the goat and using each other
to you know, make that course record fourteen under. I mean,
I think that legitimately somebody can shoot fourteen or fifteen
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under at the goat with per Simmons. And I think
that if we can catapult on each other and use
each other and you know, get better off of each other,
it will happen and it'll just go eleven, twelve, thirteen,
kind of like the five minute mile once it was.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
It's just going to keep going. So to see.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Colin playing in the Wishbone myself and knowing what Colin's
going to embark on on Saturday, I'm just excited for him.
I think it's such a cool opportunity. And I mean
he's in front of his home crowd way more than
I was, you know, so I think it's going to
be a special moment. I saw his father last weekend
at the Xander event, and his dad was, you could
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tell over overflowing with joy about what Saturday is going
to bring in. I think, regardless, it's not really about
the score as much.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
As it is just I mean, what an accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
He's going to be out there playing in front of
his his friends, his family, the Goat family, and I
think that there's no doubt Colin's going to have an.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Unbelievable moment as well.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
So it's going to be exciting and I'll be front
row and he has it and I can't wait to
see what it is.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
It's like a good movie. It's you know it's going
to happen.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
You know the ending's coming, but it's just exciting to
see where it pieces in.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
A your expectations going into something like this, I.
Speaker 13 (35:04):
Mean, my expectations stayed the same. I'd like to play
really well, and you know it's not it's hard not
to think ahead when you have one round. It's kind
of like a Monday qualifier, right, and you know you
need to go shoot a low number, but you just
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kind of have to settle in. And I mean, I've
played that place so many times, so my expectations are
to play well, but we'll see what happens. It's one
day of golf.
Speaker 10 (35:35):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What about the twins, what are your thoughts on you know,
we've all watched them grow up. We're still watching them
grow up. I mean they're you know, they're nineteen, you know,
and they're they're playing you know, college golf, not unlike
what you did, what Xander did. They're having some success.
They obviously know the Goat. They're playing really good golf.
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What are your thoughts on just this being kind of
the perfect kind of an event and venue and where
women's golf is and where the Goat clientele is with
all the we see it right daily women girls, and
just the kind of the feel good, you know, opportunity
for them to be a part of this and to
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compete in a way in which, you know, I don't
think anybody would be surprised if they freaking won this thing.
Speaker 13 (36:29):
No, definitely not. They're both really good players, and they've grown.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Up at Goat, and.
Speaker 13 (36:37):
You know, I've had my fair share of battles with
them over the years when they were sixteen or seventeen
years old, which is humbling when I'm playing professional golf.
They're really good players, and it's really cool to have
them involved in this year, and they definitely deserve to
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be playing, and it's great.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
To have some women playing in the event.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
It's like you said, I mean, we've got a lot
of women playing out of Goat Hill, and and it's
cool to see the game grow not only on the
men's side, but on the women's side too. So I
think they're gonna have a great time, and I think
they're gonna play well. It's gonna be it's gonna be
a fun match. I hope they play well, but just
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not quite as well as Jeff and I do.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
To be honest, you know, you guys are probably wearing
T shirts and it's gonna be casual, and there's gonna
be dogs, and you got the kids and the girls
playing in the tournament with the guy. I mean, isn't
this just some sort of like mashup of like what
really matters?
Speaker 13 (37:41):
Yeah, I mean you said it perfectly. With all of
those things coming together, that is Goat Hill, right. It's
you got the kids, the dogs, the T shirts and
shorts and flip flops, and it's just a it's just
a casual, easy going, fun time. But also we're all
there to compete, which I think everybody loves to see
as well, which is I think what Goat does best.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
It's it's.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
It's casual but you better bring your a game so
otherwise it'll eat you up.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So that's an introduction to the newbies. But before we wrap,
there are a few other things to address. Back to
Will Crop on the evolution of the course, leadership, Ashworth,
the staff, and the emerics.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Seems like I've been here for ten years, but it's
only been three and a half. So to see what
John's done in three and a half years at the
Goat is just incredible. And I mean it's only picking
up momentum and he's the one that spearheaded it. He's
the one on the tractor at six point thirty am
driving plants up and down the course. So there's not
any you know, surprise when the leader is you know,
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behaving and acting like that that the.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Place is going to be successful.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
I think everybody just falls in line and rides the
wave that John creates. And to see him in his
happy place up at the Goat, you know, laying laying
pavers down or you know, digging up dirt, it's like
it's like a kid in a candy store and it's
just cool to see him so happy, and that happiness
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just reflects into everybody else.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
So from last at Bernie.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
To Jay to Hunter to Bradford to all the way
down the list.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
I mean, we haven't even talked about.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Dave yet and what David Marsha have done, it would
be there without them. So I think that everybody there,
you know, piggybacks on this idea that John had. But
he had so many great people around him, like the
Emirates that you know, built back up North County Junior Golf.
And you know, Dave's been doing instruction at the Goat
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and doing the kids and creating such an inviting environment
for kids and people to get into the game that
it's just like an all star lineup up there and
there's you know, no no surprise of where it's, where
it's come and the exciting part is where it's going.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
All right.
Speaker 11 (40:01):
I'm David Emrick, PJ member, an instructor here at the
Godhill Park and partner and host professional so and I'm
the founder and I guess president of the North County.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Junior Golf Association.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
We started that in nineteen ninety eight by Mike Marsha
and I we kind of run the thing. We have
twenty four tournaments a year. We have about fourteen hundred
kids playing this year and it's a great, great event,
great place to get the kids started in junior golf,
and we love what we do and that's why we
do it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I asked Emeric for more details on North County Junior Golf.
Speaker 11 (40:35):
The home is Godhill Park, so not too many junior
golf associations have a home have support like we do
from John Ashworth and we run like twenty four tournaments
introductory and we also have classes we teach kids, you know,
and our home motto is you know, accessible, affordable, competitive
and fun event. So we make sure all the kids
love playing golf. And it's a lot of times your
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first experience with tournament golf, so we want to make
sure it's gets off to a good start and they
love the game. And we've been doing this since nineteen
ninety eight and it's grown a lot. I mean when
we first start out, we were just at Rancher Carlsbad
had three four events a year, and as we kids
got older, I wanted to have more tournaments, so we
started the Championship Tour.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
We play eighteen whole courses now and executive courses, so.
Speaker 11 (41:19):
I think we're one of the only tours that really
catered to all the kids, you know, all age and
skill levels, and we've been doing it. This will be
our twenty fifth year, which is really really amazing. It's
been really it's been so fun.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
What's your relationship with Xander and what's his involvement with
North County Junior Golf and how has his involvement impacted
the program in general.
Speaker 11 (41:46):
Well, you know, we met Xander when he was playing
at Santulist as my son Evan played dre and was
coaching there. So we've developed a bond with Xander and
he wanted to give back, and you know, him and
step On and the whole family thought that North County
you got was the right fit for them.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
Just playing in the Wishbone and having the number six
player in the world playing in the Wishbone at Gohill
Park is just simply amazing.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
It's we get thanks every day for Xander's involvement.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
Our main goal now is to build the North County
Junior Golf Clubhouse, which will be located on the east
end of the property and it's gonna be a great
event center for the community and Xander's all behind it
and He's just been amazing, Like we have things like autograph,
Ryder cup shoes and Ryder cup back and also Austin's
Caddy's a good, really good family personal friend.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
We have Thanks Stevens together and he's really given a
lot back too. So we really appreciate.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
Them, you know, giving and living and just being a
great part of it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I asked Emeric for his thoughts on the twins.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Well, yeah, they got a chance, right, they're playing it.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
They got a chance, and they're I mean, they are some
special kids and they've earned everything that they've nothing's been
given to him.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
They've dug it out of dirt.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
I mean they in high school they call me, you know, hey, coach,
we play Sunday morning.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
It's five thirty.
Speaker 11 (43:00):
They show up with their pajamas and you know, a
bag of donuts, and you know, we used to whoop
them jan I and you know that lasted a couple
of years. Now they just whoop us all the time,
and we're so proud of them. They are just the
whole family, the whole Layot. Our family is a big
part of North kind of junior golf for many years
and now the great thing I think that we provide
with North kind of junior golf is a place to win.
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I mean the kids played in so many tournaments now,
but I think the important factor is learning how to win.
And Jasmine Jenney would they played, they didn't win, They
were at the bottom of the list, and they you know,
each year they worked their way up until you know,
they were just dominating. You know, they won ten twelve
events a year, and I think that gives them the conference.
I think it's really important to learn how to win.
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And the girls they get back. I mean anytime we
ask them for anything, there more than welcome.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
You know, there were caddies in the Wishbone and Xander said,
it isn't that Jasmine Jay caddies for me one time.
Speaker 11 (43:54):
And go yeah, now that they're playing with you, and
He's like, oh boy, the get out those pursuemons.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Which brings us back to will Crop and Goats Junior
Caddy and Leadership Program, which was started about four years ago,
similar to the Solage Caddy and Leadership Academy at common
Ground in Denver, Colorado. If you show up at Goat
Hill Park and take a junior caddy, their fee of
forty dollars is subsidized. All you have to do is
agree to engage with them, mentor them, and if they've
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earned it, you can give them a tip. Everyone wins.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
The whole goal of the program is to give these
kids not only a job for the summer, but a
place to go that they can be a part of
a community and they can learn things through golf that
lessons that will stay with them for the rest of
their lives. And that's really There is an element of
wanting them to get into golf. Sure, we do want
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to grow the game, but it's about so much more
than anything to do with golf.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
It's about learning to communicate with adults.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
That's learning how to hold yourself around a golf course,
how to interact with people that you're working for and
that you're working with.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
And golf is such a beautiful.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Canvas and I can't think of a better place to
do it than goat Hill to teach these kids.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
I mean, we had the Caddy.
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Ending tournament this Sunday, and one thing that I really
reflected on is watching these kids come in in May
and kind of be, you know, deer in a headlights,
not really know where they're going, what's going on, kind
of shy to the members and stuff, and by the end,
you know, they're part of the community. We have members
come out that caddy for them, want to caddy for them,
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be a part of the program, and they're rooting them
on like they're their own kids. And I think that's
what has been the coolest part of the academy for
me running it for the first year is seeing the
kids get involved, get comfortable, become a part of this
great community that we have. That has been extremely rewarding
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into something that I wasn't necessarily expecting right off the bat,
But in terms of taking it to the to where
I believe it can go, is I mean, this guy's
the limit with that program. We've had so much feedback
people wanting to be involved in it, so many ex
caddies that just talk about how caddying was the number
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one job they've had their entire life and they couldn't
imagine a better.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Job as a kid.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
So I think that adding you know, adding some more
leadership aspects, being able to get the kids up at
the course more and more and more and more, that's
really my huge goal for it. I mean, building this
clubhouse for them to have kind of a home up
at Goat Hill will be something that will take it
to the next level for sure, but you know, creating
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that experience more. I want them to learn more lessons
that I've learned through golf and that we all have
and kind of exedite that process through a summer if possible.
That's really my goal with it. You know, I'd like
to teach some of the stuff that maybe they don't
learn in school and be able to use golf to
be able to teach them that stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Needless to say, Crop has been an incredible addition to
the Goat community. Now back to the wishbone brawl, the
crowd and the kids and the dogs and you know what,
you know, what what do you have in terms of
information for people listening in terms of what time they
should get there and parking and is there some logistical
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stuff you'd like to share with anybody who listens?
Speaker 5 (47:33):
No, No, yeah, I will, well I will okay, So yeah,
I would say, you know, I think the gates open
nine point thirty ten o'clock. I mean we tee it
up at noon. We're pretty clock. We're pretty on that right,
usually typically pretty close. The guys will be hitting balls
on the range and warming up, and you'll be acting
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with them.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
About eleven.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
The kids will have a little contest to hit the gong,
and they also are going to be coloring golf. The
little kids will be doing golf balls, coloring or something
like that. And then parking wise, you know, we don't
have a ton of parking, so we do have enough
for the first probably a couple hundred cars, which is
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fair about so I would either carpool or take an
uber or park in the in the houses directly north
of the golf course on Greenbrier, there's a couple of streets.
There's also a church that we have about a block
away or two blocks away, has a huge parking lot,
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so that's an easy walk. And we will have a
gate open on the eighteenth holl if you park in
that neighborhood or the church, super easy access. We'll have
some butody, you know, man at that gate and otherwise
take an ober. Then you can party and go back
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when you want to.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
You know, if you have thirteen hundred people, a thousand adults,
three hundred kids, and probably one hundred dougs, that's that's
that's full house.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Well, it's going to be a full house. It's kind
of be a full house.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And lastly, some final reflections from everyone involved. We start
with Ashworth. This community concept and what you've done. You know,
like you know the park mentality where you happen to
play golf and you know, this cultivation of everybody feels
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like they're part of something, you know, bringing people together,
the linking of souls, but also you know, the saving
of a community asset, right like you know that that
it all kind of feels like on days like Saturday,
it's it's this it's this collision of all the good things.
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You know, it's got to feel like one of those
days where you kind of take a second stop, look
around and is it days like that that that keep
you going on some of those hard days when you
know you're dealing with all the the turmoil and the
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troubles that come with managing a facility like that or
life in general, is it a day like a wishbone
brawl day that makes you kind of soak it up
and keep it moving forward.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Yeah, it's definitely one that's definitely a big day that
just kind of just it's such a big you know,
it's such a big energy and to see the community
come together and everybody enjoy it and be part of it.
It is It is one of those days that kind
of just more than just makes it all worthwhile. I mean,
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it's just like, you know, the world's in such a
crazy place right now, and to have a place like
Goat Hill Park or any golf course really, I mean,
golf is really such an important aspect of you know,
I guess our lives right because we can get away
to the golf course and to have an affordable sort
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of situation like we do with the Goat for everybody.
You know, I think mental health it plays such a
key role in that, And I can't imagine if we
didn't have a place to go to like that.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
The layovout twins on the big picture, the deeper meaning
of Saturday. It starts with Jasmine dan Jenne. Do you
also see an opportunity to try to positively impact some
some you know, not just young women but kids in general.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I think it's so cool, like how we're given
the opportunities to be in a position where we can
inspire younger kids. And knowing we started kind of late,
but like it doesn't matter, like when you start, and
I think it'll be really cool to see them and
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just make make them our fans. Yeah, And I think
that it's just super amazing that we were alumni of
the program that this is supporting, and so I hope
that they can see that we're just a product of
this amazing program and.
Speaker 9 (52:46):
That they can be inspired by that.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
But I'm just gonna try to have fun and smile
a lot and and try to try my best inspire them.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
All of it is there for you. It's going to
be a beautiful day. The golf course is in great shape.
And again, you know, your advantages are each other, your caddies,
your knowledge of the golf course, you know, the crowd
support and the home crowd, and you guys are playing damn.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
Good golf right, trying our best.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Here's Colin Featherstone on how and why the Wishbone Brawl matters.
Speaker 13 (53:22):
Well, I think when you get a superstar like Xander involved,
and then you've got another superstar like Freddie Couples involved
the last couple of years, and then Jeff Ogilvie and
Dean Wilson and the names that have come through here,
Charlie Hoffman and Chris Riley, and those are all guys
that resonate locally and nationally, so to be able to
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come out to a place like Goat Hill, where, like
I said, it's so casual, it's just a fun place
to be.
Speaker 10 (53:51):
It's such a great walk and watch.
Speaker 13 (53:54):
These guys hit for Simmon Woods, which you never see anymore,
and you get to hear the sound off of a
person would and you get to be close and it's intimate.
Speaker 6 (54:02):
It's just that group.
Speaker 13 (54:05):
It's not surprising to me that it's grown into what
what it's grown into.
Speaker 10 (54:10):
And then to top.
Speaker 13 (54:11):
It off, all the proceeds go to North County Junior
Golf Association, which is in my opinion, a great tour
because it gives opportunities to kids to to play tournament
golf that is becoming increasingly harder, I think for you know,
a regular parent.
Speaker 10 (54:31):
To pay for financially.
Speaker 13 (54:34):
And so it's it's just a it's a good cause,
a really fun day and I'm proud to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
And here's will crop on the evolution of the course
and the cause.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
I mean, how many people are going to go out
to Goat Hill on Saturday and be like, holy cow,
what has happened in a year out here or in
six months or in you know, one week with the
new fire pit, it's like something's always changing out there.
And I think that that's that's that magnet. I mean,
people just love to see from the owner down putting
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in you know, the hard work and effort, and it's
not glamorous work, but it's for such a greater cause
that I think it's just I mean, it's why I
got attracted here.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
And you gotta love a new fire pit.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Gotta yeah, yeah, gotta love a new fire pit.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
And finally, Dave Emrick, Yeah, we go it to.
Speaker 8 (55:30):
The volunteers too, Like we just built the fire pit.
Have you seen it this morning? The new fire pit.
Speaker 11 (55:34):
It is amazing that was built, what in three days,
with you know, ten guys who helped members, who helped
out and just got in and dug it out. And
it's insane, you know. But we do it because we
love it, and we'll always do it because we love it.
And we just love people coming out and supporting the
Goat and we appreciate you because you're a big.
Speaker 8 (55:52):
Part of the family. Is you know, the old family
just keeps growing and growing.
Speaker 11 (55:56):
You know, it's like grandkids and great grandkids and locals
and new people. It's just a it's just a I'm
very thankful. It's an amazing place and thanks for all
you do.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Of course, Well no, everybody, you know. I think what's
really beautiful is, you know, almost everybody has an attitude
of gratitude. And that's that is the you know, it's
it starts at the top and people like you and
John and and uh and the people like Laz and
Fernie and Jay Bird and Hunter and you know, the
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list just keeps going on and on. There's nobody who's
not trying to pitch in and participate. H And you know,
the beautiful thing is when John says, hey, I need
some help, that's it. That's all he has to say
is I need some help. And then the next thing
he has is help. And and it's unconditional. It's unconditional
in so many ways.
Speaker 11 (56:46):
So yeah, it's a it's you know, it's just really
it's I think a little bit of a footprint of how.
Speaker 8 (56:51):
It should be.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Right.
Speaker 11 (56:53):
Oh yeah, dogs, community, fun, golf, friends, all all the
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Put another log on the fire me here is get
the time
Are you guys practicing with Simmons and how does that?
How's that going?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, we've been practicing them ever since. The day we
flew back from our last tournament. Our dad drove up
and John Ashworth dropped off some Lynxoul for Simmons to us,
which are super nice. Yeah, and we've just been practicing
with them ever since. It's so hard, but I think
I'm getting the hang of it a little bit and
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I'm just gonna try to not be nervous and let
that affect me. Yeah, we have Lynksoul drivers and then
I think we were trying out Ben Hogan like three wood,
five wood, four wood, which we're hitting pretty good. So
as long as I can overcome nerves, I think I
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think it'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Nobody here is given time. Welcome to the fire pit
with Matt Chanella. Good to be back around the fire
pit before we get to all things. Wish Bone Brawl
one of the greatest events in golf that involves bona
fide tour players and elite amateurs playing for Simmon Woods
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at Goat Hill Park where there's no ropes, lots of
kids and dogs all in the spirit of raising money
for junior golf in Oceanside, California. Here's a quick summary
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sponsor of the Wishbone bral which everyone appreciates. It'll be
flowing yet again this Saturday in Oceanside, where it'll be
clear skies and temperatures in the seventies. And then there's Olacai,
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which makes durable handmade premium footwear. Not only are they
an official sponsor of My Journeys and travel content, but
they're also sponsoring this year's Wishbone bral And so with
that we start off with Peter Beams aka the Professor,
a spiritual guide of sorts, a longtime friend of John Ashworth,
a former European tour player who has written books on instruction.
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He starts every day off at the goat well before sunrise,
prepping the fire pit and parking carts, making sure the
place is presentable to the masses. He also serves as
the rules official and referee on Saturday. I bumped into
him on Wednesday morning as he was raking up leaves
on the left side of the eighteenth fairway. What do
you think about the Wishbone braw this year? I'm so
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excited always.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Why do you think I'm out here getting the.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Tinsel out of the way. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I mean to have all these incredible golfers come here
to our little golf course is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You very kind and you will, all of you. How
about the Layovow twins with the lead twins, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
They're going to be number one and two in the world,
so that's gonna be something to watch. Who's gonna be
We won't even know who's one h two. Yeah, that's
gonna be something. I think they could win. I'm putting
my money on they can win the whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Jasmine and janey Laoval combined for the opening audio clip
on practicing with per Simmons, and we'll get to more
with them in a bit, but for now, here's John Ashworth,
the self proclaimed caretaker of Goat Hill Park. He took
over the lease of the municipality in twenty fourteen. It
has gotten better every day since. Ashworth has literally saved
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an underachieving community asset and much needed green space. Simply put,
the fashion icon is the Goat of the Goat, the
Wishbone Brawl and kind of this evolution of this event.
What's it mean to you now? Going into six years?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Wow, I mean I can't believe it's six years. Really.
I mean, it's just it's kind of flown by, and
you know, every year we just do it by the
seat of our pants, you know what I mean, We
kind of forget we're gonna do it, and then all
of a sudden we're going, you know, oh god, we
get the Wishbone Brawl coming up. But you know because
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the first year, literally it was my birthday on the
driving range at goat Hill Park when Dean Wilson said, hey,
why don't we do something, you know, to help raise
money for the kids. And I was like, bingo, yeah,
let's do something. He goes, I can invite some buddies,
we can play, you know, maybe we can raise some money.
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You know, I'll get Charlie Hoffman and maybe we'll ask Sander,
and you know, it kind of started super organic like that,
and I was kind of going, yeah, right, okay. I
was like, d okay, you go get those guys. We'll
do something. And then it was sort of like, well
they're kind of all off around Thanksgiving, so we just started,
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you know, piecing it together over you know, that first year,
and you know, you were involved too, and it was like, God,
it's such a short course. Let's haven't hit Persimmon woods.
You know, we're always in the Persimmon Woods up there. Okay,
check kids. You know, this is for the North kunt
of Junior Golf. And I don't think we had even
started the Caddy Academy yet. We hadn't really because that's
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been going four years, so anyway, that's kind of how
it started. And it's you know, we don't rent it
out to an event company. We do it all in house,
so it's you know, it's kind of a homemade backyard
hangout scene, you know. And uh, you know, Jeff, Jeff
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Cunningham came up with a name, which was brilliant, you know,
because it was around Thanksgiving and you know, uh, when
you fight for the wishbone, you know, that's our whole
logo and whoever's the stronger it gets the bigger half
and all that stuff. So you know, that was great
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and then, uh, yeah, it's just been it's been really
every year is different for some reason. You know, there's
a different I don't think we've ever had the exact
same field, you know, Xander's you know, unfortunately Dean can't
make it this year, which is a bummer, but he'll
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missed the first year. But Xanders would have played every
all six of them. Him and Dean a pretty much dominated.
I think they've won three maybe I don't know. You know,
winning and losing doesn't really matter. It's just about having
a blast and getting the whole community together. And you know,
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do something special for the kids.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So again. This year's Wishbone Brawl consists of Xander Shoffley
and Chris Riley versus Jeff Ogilvie and Colin Featherstone versus
Jasmine and Janey Leovau. The format is best ball of
the twosome, three teams of two, an eighteen hole stroke
play brawl for it All. It tips at noon on Saturday.
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Here's Will Crop, former captain of the golf team at
the University of Oklahoma who had a win on the
PGA Tour Latin America, who now along with his wife
Morgan and son calls Goat Hill Park home. Crop gives
lessons and runs Goats Junior Caddy and Leadership Academy. He
partnered with Fred Couples in the twenty twenty one Wishbone
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bra and has the course record of ten under. Oh
by the way, he did that playing with per Simon Woods.
You're somebody who has watched the Wishbone, played in the Wishbone,
Like what in your mind you've played you know, highly
competitive events, you're pro, You're like you've been all over
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the world playing golf. Like, try to summarize the essence
and what makes the wishbone bral like special.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Great question.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I mean, I think the biggest thing that hit home
right off the bat was being home, playing in front
of the people that you're you know, in the community with.
I think that was a really really cool experience, especially
since it's so up close and personal. You're essentially walking
around with a thousand of your closest friends right next
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to you, and I think that added a whole different
level than in anything that I've experienced. When we play
professional golf on the road, you're on the road, you're
not playing in home tournaments and maybe very rarely does
somebody have a home tournament, maybe a Jason Day and
Columbus kind of thing, but very rarely does that ever happen.
So kind that element in itself of being at home,
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being in front of the people that you spend every
day with, it just made it that much cooler. I
think that was the biggest takeaway, and even the week
leading up to it, I felt pressure from myself in
that sense, just wanting to perform well, wanting to play
well in front of everybody because you feel like you
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have the whole community on your shoulders.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
A perfect segue to the idea of adding the lay
of our Twins to the sixth Annuel Wishbone Brawl. Jasmine
and Janey Lao are nineteen. They are sophomores at Long
Beach State where they're on scholarship to play on the
women's golf team. They've grown up at Goathill Park and
their products of the North County Junior Golf Association and
goad Hill Park's Junior Caddy and Leadership Academy, the two
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beneficiaries of all proceeds raised by ticket sales and the
online auction, which can be found at linksoul dot com.
As you'll hear, the Layovout twins have caddied in the
Wishbone Brawl and now they're competitors Goathill Park at four
five hundred yards par sixty five. It's the ideal venue
and event to get women involved. Not just playing with
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the men, they're playing against them. Back to Ashworth, how
did you let the twins know that they were in?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I actually haven't even talked to them yet. I talked
to Jan. Jan was the mediator on that one, so
through I went through their dad Jen.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And how'd that go?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Well? You know it was, it was great. He was
shocked and you know, surprised but loved it. And they
were like saying, you know, there, you talked to him,
So I haven't even talked to him. So you tell
me how they just over the moon or what.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Meet Jasmine and Janey Leoval, who are zooming in from
their dorm room at Long Beach State. It's almost impossible
to tell them apart, not only in person, but also
as an audio experience. In this case, we start with Janey,
but they both provide answers and anecdotes here and throughout
the podcast. How did you guys find out you were
in this year's Wishbone?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Bro Our dad he sent us a text saying that
he needed to talk to us, and we had no
idea what it was about, so we were like nervous already.
And then he called us and said that they had
really good news. And then he said John Ashworth reached
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out to him and asked if we wanted to play
in the Wishbone.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
At first, like our initial reaction, I was kind of scared.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I didn't know what to say and was contemplating if
we should play in it or not because didn't know
how Like we've always been a part of the wishbhone,
but like playing in his whole different story and in
front of that many, that many people was definitely.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Gonna be different than what we're used to because.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
At first we didn't really want to play because we
didn't think we're ready for that. We've always like thought
about playing in the wish Phone and like it was
kind of a dream like come true to like be
able to do this, but I thought we would be
playing it as a pro.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
But here we are college amateur golfers. Super cool opportunity.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, I got chills for you guys. I mean,
obviously I've been popping in and out of the Goat
community for a long time, and I feel like, you know,
we all feel like we've watched you guys grow up.
You're still growing up, but like, you know, it's just
been this amazing thing to watch and you know, to
know that you grew up in North County Junior Golf
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and then Goadhill Park and caddying at the Wishbone Brawls
from the beginning to now competing like that narrative arc
and that storyline and again it's kind of still going.
But that's that to me is what's so sweet and
special about the community, goad Hill Park, the Wishbone Brawl
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and what's going to transpire on Saturday? Right?
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We started I think we still as scorekeepers one year,
and then we were sign bears and then caddies, and
then last year we were working the hot dog stand
with our brother and we actually didn't even get to
watch the Wishbone because we were working. And now we're
playing it. It's really funny to see how we've been
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like every part of this this event.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They originally worked as like scorers and standard bearers. Yeah,
and then they caddied and last year they actually didn't
get to see the Wishbone ball because they were helping
their brother make hot dogs.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's right, that's I mean, how good is that? Oh
my god?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Well that's that's Isn't.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
That the greatest thing about it? Because and you know,
like you said, you have to pinch I have to
pinch myself because I mean I feel like I'm just
objectively looking at the whole thing, going this is this
really happening?
Speaker 10 (15:04):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
It's such a unicorn, isn't it. That's the only way
to describe it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It's actually a team of Unicorns. The Layovout Twins will
have the Lee Twins, Ada and Annabelle, also products of
North County Junior Golf and Goats Junior Caddy Program, who
have caddied in the last two Wishbone Brawls. Remember when
Fred Couples grabbed the bullhorn on the eighteenth green and
declared they were the best two caddies in San Diego.
Speaker 11 (15:32):
My partner and I had the best two caddies in
San Diego.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I think that's so cool. The twins and twins is
just perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
At some point, we're going to look over and we're
going to see the two of you guys, you know,
lining up a putt with the Lee Twins helping you
read the green. Yeah, I mean, like, who do you
defer to?
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Who?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Actually who's love?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I don't think they'll be able to tell who's who,
Like we could all swish at any time, Yeah, but
only like all twins, Like we can all tell easily.
So that'll be funny for the August.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Who's the best green reader of all four of you guys, I.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Think definitely them.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
Yeah, they're actually pretty good at reading.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I know, like I've seen them caddy and they're always
like really confident in their lines when like telling people
where to go, and I'm not confident in like telling
people where to go because I don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
But they just straight up like yeah they trust.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And yeah, I think they're like really amazing caddies and
it's super cool to have them there.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
It's just a perfect story for the Wishbone.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Just give me a quick update on where you guys
are in terms of your college careers. What's going on
Long Beach State, and how's this season going, and how
are your individual seasons going.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, we just finished our fall season, and this one
we broke eleven records.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
As a team. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, we kept starting for the second tournament, we tied
like a total team score record, and then in the
next tournament we tied that in the first day and
then we ended up breaking the record, and then we
broke it again in the next next tournament and the final,
and then we broke the individual low in the second
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day and I broke a I think a fifteen year
old record of by one. Yeah, of my individual score
because I shot sixty four.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And also today I found out that I won a
Big West Golfer of the month in October and my
scoring average.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
For October was under seventy.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, oh my god, Janney, here's Ashworth again.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Those guys better buckle up, man, because they don't know
what's about d Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I mean, you got girls who have grown up playing
that golf course and they've got two of the best
caddies on property right now in their corner. So you
got the layoout twins, the lead twins. You got like
some serious, you know power, some like legitimate power going
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on there back to the twins. So things are going well.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, we won our last two tournaments as a team,
which is the first time that Long Beach has ever
gone back to back in the history of the entire program. Yeah,
he's setting so many records. It's super cool to be
part of history there. And I'm going to continue to
break it too in the spring. Yeah. We actually did
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an interview before before the second tournament and he was
asking about how we feel, or is after the second
After the second tournay, he was asking how we felt
about breaking a record and I said that it wasn't
safe still, and I wasn't satisfied because I know We're
gonna break it in the next tournament, and then the
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next the first day of the next tournament, we broke it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like I said, some serious power. I asked the twins
what it's like to feel so much local love?
Speaker 9 (19:43):
So cool to see them support us all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I feel like every every time, like we stepped foot
on go Hill, you can just like we have so
much support and love and support from everyone. And I
know that for this tournament, there's a lot of people
that believe in us and that we can even win,
which to me is slightly delusional, but it's super cool
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that they're rooting for us and that they'll be proud
of us no matter what. Yeah, we've been telling a
lot of people that we're going to play in this
and that it's like a pretty big deal, and so
a lot of people are like, I want to watch.
So it's cool that we're bringing a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Back to will Crop, who chimes in on the.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Twins, I called Goat Hill home, but I've only been
here since twenty twenty, so that is to put that
in perspective. It has become my home, but it's not
my home, and for them it's been their home since
they could barely walk, so I can't imagine just the
feelings and emotions that they have to be going through
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leading up to it. I know they've been playing a
ton of golf in college, they've been playing tournaments, So
I have confidence that they'll be able to handle that
pressure because they've been doing it over and over and
so I don't necessarily think that they I think that
they're going to play great golf.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I think they're going to show up.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I think it's going to be absolutely I think we'll
have possibly one of the best moments.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
In Wishtown history.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I don't know where it's going to come from, but
I think it's going to come from them and just
the moment that everybody's going to share, from Jasmine and
Janey to Annabelle and Ada on the bag there and
then jan and Bobby in the crowd. I think it'll
just be incredible. I really think there's going to be
an incredible moment.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You can't lose, right, Like, there's no way you can
walk away from this situation, lose them, because no matter
where you finish, you're getting a chance to play in
front of a big crowd. There's going to be love
and support. It's your home course. You're playing with. You know,
it's competition, but it's a friendly competition in the sense
that there's no there's no you know, there's nothing really
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on the line other than trying to support you know,
kids like you were a few years ago. Yeah, is
that the way you see it?
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I think I'm obviously just like extremely nervous for this tournament,
just because we're playing with pros and in front of
like a thousand people. But overall, it's just gonna be
an opportunity of a lifetime. I don't think many people
get to experience something like this, and it's just gonna
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be an amazing learning opportunity. And you know, if we
want to become a pro golfer and become great, then
we have to get used to something like this, playing
with pros and in front of a large crowd. So
super exciting that we get to do this early on
in our career.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, Jasmine, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I think this is like a pretty big stepping
stone in our career overall, and I'm just super excited.
And yeah, we can't lose either way. I think we
won the hearts of the people already. Yeah, looking at
the comments on goa Hill's posts. Seeing some We're like,
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it's gonna feel like Rome to Xander because of the
amount of people rooting for us, and it was so
funny to see.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Back to Ashworth, Laveo Twins said they've been monitoring the
social media and that they've seen that they feel like
they already have the hearts of the crowd, and that
some people were making comments like Xander's gonna feel like
he's in Rome with everybody rooting against him.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's true.
Speaker 12 (23:41):
Everybody, I run up everybody, I run into it the goats,
and my money's on the Twins. I swear I must
have had twenty people say I'm rooting for the Twins
or something about the Twins, and seriously, everyone's gonna be jacked.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Also jacked is Colin Featherstone, Another local and first time
wishbone brawler. Featherstone graduated from San Diego State in twenty twelve.
He turned pro shortly after. He had a long run
on many tours, specifically the Canadian Tour and PGA Tour
Latin America. In twenty twenty, after a mixed bag of
success and struggles and when COVID hit, Featherstone stopped chasing
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it and started working at Titlist, only a few miles
from Goat Hill Park. He collected data and feedback on
prototype clubs.
Speaker 10 (24:29):
I learned a lot while I was there, and it
was a really cool experience.
Speaker 13 (24:33):
And I was lucky enough to be based at TPI,
the Titleist Performance Institute in Oceanside, and I placed as
Golf Heaven, so.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
It was a pretty cool office to go to every day.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
And then yeah, in twenty twenty two, I got the
opportunity playing again. I had someone I played a few
rounds of golf with asked why I wasn't playing professionally anymore,
and they offered to help me with some expenses that year.
And I got through Q school that year in twenty
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twenty two and played the full year on the Contrary
Tour this last year.
Speaker 10 (25:15):
So it's been a wild ride.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Okay, he's paid his dues. Man, he's you know, we've
seen Colin you know, over the years. I mean he
went from trying to play, then he got a job
at tide List and found himself, went back, got on
the corn ferry. But throughout all he's always hung out
of the Goat. He's always played the monthly medals. He's
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always he's helped us on the course, driving the workmen
up to number seven, dropping dirt, you know, and we
had projects going on, weeding the hill on b Hill.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He always shows up and I just love that kid.
He's just awesome.
Speaker 13 (25:59):
Anyone that meets is immediately drawn to him just for
his personalities, so open and humble, and Ash has become
a good friend of mine, which I'm proud to say
he's you know he I met Ash in like twenty fifteen,
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and I was just playing on many tours and I
was delusional thinking I should have some sort of clothing sponsor.
And I met Ash and he hooked me up with
some clothes, and honestly that that gave me more confidence
than anything, knowing that I had some sort of clothing sponsor.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
For some reason, it was like, oh, I've made it.
I have a clothing sponsor, which in no way should
he have given me any clothes at that point.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
But that's just Ash, Like he's such a good guy
and so humble and open to helping people. And yeah,
we've our relationship has grown over the past, you know
how for many years, eight years, and he's just always
in good spirits and what he's done for the community
and what he continues to do for the community and
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for Goat Hill. He's always out there, you know, he's
getting his hands dirty every day, every project that's going
on out there.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Ash is right in the middle of it, which is
really cool to see. And yeah, proud to call him
a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So what's your history with Goad Hill Park.
Speaker 13 (27:27):
Oh, that's a complicated question. My history with Goat is
that I kind of stumbled.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
Upon it as well.
Speaker 13 (27:37):
I played it a few times before it was saved,
I guess in twenty fourteen, and the boy was it
different after it it was. It was saved by Ash
and the crew. But yeah, I went out there, I
believe in twenty fourteen, right after Ash took over, and
just fell in love with the place. It's so it
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was so raw, it still is, and I just love
the fact that you could go get around in with
your buddies for twenty bucks and you got an ocean
view and an ocean breeze and you can play music
and everything's just so casual. And at that time, you know, I.
Speaker 10 (28:18):
Was a couple of years out of college.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
I was playing professionally at the time, and I was
playing a lot of serious golf, so it was really
fun to go to a place that allowed for casual
golf but also serious still at the same time, because
most golfers are competitive, so we get some really good
games out there. And but I just I loved the
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laid back vibe of Goat Hill and fell in love with.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
It at that time, and it's kind of a second
home for me now.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So how did you find out you were involved in
this year's Wishbone bra.
Speaker 13 (28:54):
So Ash called me. Ash just, uh, yeah, I saw
I Yash out there all the.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
Time and and he kind of gave me a.
Speaker 13 (29:03):
Heads up like, hey, we're we're kicking the tires on
a few guys and if they can't make it, you're in.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
And you know, I totally understand.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
We got to try to get some some really big
names in there that are affiliated with Link Soul, and.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
And the scheduling just worked out.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
And called me and said, hey, you're in, and I
was like, perfect, I've been waiting five years to play
in this thing.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah, it was a special call once I knew Fred
was for sure out, and Fred was he was trying
to make it work, but he had a commitment that
he just couldn't get out of. So it'll be interesting
to see if he wants to come back next year.
I don't know. I hope so, but but yeah, uh
and he yeah. Colin's like I couldn't believe it either.
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He was like, you don't kid me.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You know this?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
You know?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Are you sure it's just real? Come on? So he's
all fired up. I saw him today out there playing.
Who's out of practicing. He can't wait for it to start, once,
to start tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're been an observer, You're a part of the community.
There have been years where it's been hard to watch,
feeling like I want I want in on this. Let
me I could, I can do this? And now you
get that chance.
Speaker 13 (30:26):
Yeah, I think as a competitor, anyone would watch that and.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
Just want to be involved.
Speaker 13 (30:33):
So, you know, I've always had a lot of fun
watching watching the event, but every year I just think
I just want to be playing. So I'm really excited
to get my chance this year and hopefully I can
show up and make a lot of birdies.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Your year this year on the corn Ferry kind of
summarize the season, the events, the highs and lows.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Yeah, there were plenty of highs and plenty of lows.
For sure.
Speaker 13 (31:03):
It's a long season, twenty six events coming off of
a couple of years of not playing tournament.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Golf, it was a really long year for me, just.
Speaker 13 (31:15):
The travel and not having played a full season out
there before.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
I was going into.
Speaker 13 (31:20):
Every week trying to learn every course, figure out where
to hit it or not to hit it. And it's
just like I said, it's a long season. And I
really enjoyed my time out there, and I ended up
finishing ninety first on the points list, which should give
me some fairly good conditional status in the next year.
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So hopefully I'll get into some of the early events
at the start of the year and reshuffle.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
In and play the whole year again. So I'm really
hoping to get.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
Another opportunity to go play all these courses that I've
now played and kind of don't have to get in
on Monday and just grind Tuesday Wednesday to figure out
the courses and then get into Thursday. So yeah, it
was it was really fun. It was fun to be
back into competition and competition on that type of stage
with an opportunity to get a PGA tour card. So
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just looking forward to next year and having that same opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You have three nine unders that go to a park
with for Simmon Woods.
Speaker 13 (32:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, does haunt me now that Will has
ten under.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You're really good at second best.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 13 (32:39):
It was first best for a while and then we'll
shot ten under and then I was back to the
drawing board. Now I'm just trying to shoot ten under
every time I play, which is also a great mindset
to be in.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Back to Will Crop on all things course record.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Somebody eventually will go to eleven.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
I'm not under the impression that I'll hold it forever.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
It might be me that goes to eleven. I don't know,
but we'll see.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
If Collins shot eleven under in the Wish John on Saturday,
I would be the first and happiest guy to shake
you his hand because that would be an unbelievable accomplishment.
So I think the cool thing about having Calling up
there along with Peko, along with every great player up
at Goat Hill, is that we push each other to
do better. And I think that is such an amazing
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opportunity for us, and we've talked about that, is we're
always traveling on the road. Now some of us have
kids and stuff, but man really leaning in and setting
up these games where I mean, we have world class
players right there at the goat and using each other
to you know, make that course record fourteen under. I mean,
I think that legitimately somebody can shoot fourteen or fifteen
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under at the goat with per Simmons. And I think
that if we can catapult on each other and use
each other and you know, get better off of each other,
it will happen and it'll just go eleven, twelve, thirteen,
kind of like the five minute mile once it was.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
It's just going to keep going. So to see.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Colin playing in the Wishbone myself and knowing what Colin's
going to embark on on Saturday, I'm just excited for him.
I think it's such a cool opportunity. And I mean
he's in front of his home crowd way more than
I was, you know, so I think it's going to
be a special moment. I saw his father last weekend
at the Xander event, and his dad was, you could
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tell over overflowing with joy about what Saturday is going
to bring in. I think, regardless, it's not really about
the score as much.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
As it is just I mean, what an accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
He's going to be out there playing in front of
his his friends, his family, the Goat family, and I
think that there's no doubt Colin's going to have an.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Unbelievable moment as well.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
So it's going to be exciting and I'll be front
row and he has it and I can't wait to
see what it is.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
It's like a good movie. It's you know it's going
to happen.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
You know the ending's coming, but it's just exciting to
see where it pieces in.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
A your expectations going into something like this, I.
Speaker 13 (35:04):
Mean, my expectations stayed the same. I'd like to play
really well, and you know it's not it's hard not
to think ahead when you have one round. It's kind
of like a Monday qualifier, right, and you know you
need to go shoot a low number, but you just
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kind of have to settle in. And I mean, I've
played that place so many times, so my expectations are
to play well, but we'll see what happens. It's one
day of golf.
Speaker 10 (35:35):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What about the twins, what are your thoughts on you know,
we've all watched them grow up. We're still watching them
grow up. I mean they're you know, they're nineteen, you know,
and they're they're playing you know, college golf, not unlike
what you did, what Xander did. They're having some success.
They obviously know the Goat. They're playing really good golf.
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What are your thoughts on just this being kind of
the perfect kind of an event and venue and where
women's golf is and where the Goat clientele is with
all the we see it right daily women girls, and
just the kind of the feel good, you know, opportunity
for them to be a part of this and to
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compete in a way in which, you know, I don't
think anybody would be surprised if they freaking won this thing.
Speaker 13 (36:29):
No, definitely not. They're both really good players, and they've grown.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Up at Goat, and.
Speaker 13 (36:37):
You know, I've had my fair share of battles with
them over the years when they were sixteen or seventeen
years old, which is humbling when I'm playing professional golf.
They're really good players, and it's really cool to have
them involved in this year, and they definitely deserve to
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be playing, and it's great.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
To have some women playing in the event.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
It's like you said, I mean, we've got a lot
of women playing out of Goat Hill, and and it's
cool to see the game grow not only on the
men's side, but on the women's side too. So I
think they're gonna have a great time, and I think
they're gonna play well. It's gonna be it's gonna be
a fun match. I hope they play well, but just
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not quite as well as Jeff and I do.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
To be honest, you know, you guys are probably wearing
T shirts and it's gonna be casual, and there's gonna
be dogs, and you got the kids and the girls
playing in the tournament with the guy. I mean, isn't
this just some sort of like mashup of like what
really matters?
Speaker 13 (37:41):
Yeah, I mean you said it perfectly. With all of
those things coming together, that is Goat Hill, right. It's
you got the kids, the dogs, the T shirts and
shorts and flip flops, and it's just a it's just
a casual, easy going, fun time. But also we're all
there to compete, which I think everybody loves to see
as well, which is I think what Goat does best.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
It's it's.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
It's casual but you better bring your a game so
otherwise it'll eat you up.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So that's an introduction to the newbies. But before we wrap,
there are a few other things to address. Back to
Will Crop on the evolution of the course, leadership, Ashworth,
the staff, and the emerics.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Seems like I've been here for ten years, but it's
only been three and a half. So to see what
John's done in three and a half years at the
Goat is just incredible. And I mean it's only picking
up momentum and he's the one that spearheaded it. He's
the one on the tractor at six point thirty am
driving plants up and down the course. So there's not
any you know, surprise when the leader is you know,
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behaving and acting like that that the.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Place is going to be successful.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
I think everybody just falls in line and rides the
wave that John creates. And to see him in his
happy place up at the Goat, you know, laying laying
pavers down or you know, digging up dirt, it's like
it's like a kid in a candy store and it's
just cool to see him so happy, and that happiness
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just reflects into everybody else.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
So from last at Bernie.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
To Jay to Hunter to Bradford to all the way
down the list.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
I mean, we haven't even talked about.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Dave yet and what David Marsha have done, it would
be there without them. So I think that everybody there,
you know, piggybacks on this idea that John had. But
he had so many great people around him, like the
Emirates that you know, built back up North County Junior Golf.
And you know, Dave's been doing instruction at the Goat
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and doing the kids and creating such an inviting environment
for kids and people to get into the game that
it's just like an all star lineup up there and
there's you know, no no surprise of where it's, where
it's come and the exciting part is where it's going.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
All right.
Speaker 11 (40:01):
I'm David Emrick, PJ member, an instructor here at the
Godhill Park and partner and host professional so and I'm
the founder and I guess president of the North County.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Junior Golf Association.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
We started that in nineteen ninety eight by Mike Marsha
and I we kind of run the thing. We have
twenty four tournaments a year. We have about fourteen hundred
kids playing this year and it's a great, great event,
great place to get the kids started in junior golf,
and we love what we do and that's why we
do it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I asked Emeric for more details on North County Junior Golf.
Speaker 11 (40:35):
The home is Godhill Park, so not too many junior
golf associations have a home have support like we do
from John Ashworth and we run like twenty four tournaments
introductory and we also have classes we teach kids, you know,
and our home motto is you know, accessible, affordable, competitive
and fun event. So we make sure all the kids
love playing golf. And it's a lot of times your
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first experience with tournament golf, so we want to make
sure it's gets off to a good start and they
love the game. And we've been doing this since nineteen
ninety eight and it's grown a lot. I mean when
we first start out, we were just at Rancher Carlsbad
had three four events a year, and as we kids
got older, I wanted to have more tournaments, so we
started the Championship Tour.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
We play eighteen whole courses now and executive courses, so.
Speaker 11 (41:19):
I think we're one of the only tours that really
catered to all the kids, you know, all age and
skill levels, and we've been doing it. This will be
our twenty fifth year, which is really really amazing. It's
been really it's been so fun.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
What's your relationship with Xander and what's his involvement with
North County Junior Golf and how has his involvement impacted
the program in general.
Speaker 11 (41:46):
Well, you know, we met Xander when he was playing
at Santulist as my son Evan played dre and was
coaching there. So we've developed a bond with Xander and
he wanted to give back, and you know, him and
step On and the whole family thought that North County
you got was the right fit for them.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
Just playing in the Wishbone and having the number six
player in the world playing in the Wishbone at Gohill
Park is just simply amazing.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
It's we get thanks every day for Xander's involvement.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
Our main goal now is to build the North County
Junior Golf Clubhouse, which will be located on the east
end of the property and it's gonna be a great
event center for the community and Xander's all behind it
and He's just been amazing, Like we have things like autograph,
Ryder cup shoes and Ryder cup back and also Austin's
Caddy's a good, really good family personal friend.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
We have Thanks Stevens together and he's really given a
lot back too. So we really appreciate.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
Them, you know, giving and living and just being a
great part of it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I asked Emeric for his thoughts on the twins.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Well, yeah, they got a chance, right, they're playing it.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
They got a chance, and they're I mean, they are some
special kids and they've earned everything that they've nothing's been
given to him.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
They've dug it out of dirt.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
I mean they in high school they call me, you know, hey, coach,
we play Sunday morning.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
It's five thirty.
Speaker 11 (43:00):
They show up with their pajamas and you know, a
bag of donuts, and you know, we used to whoop
them jan I and you know that lasted a couple
of years. Now they just whoop us all the time,
and we're so proud of them. They are just the
whole family, the whole Layot. Our family is a big
part of North kind of junior golf for many years
and now the great thing I think that we provide
with North kind of junior golf is a place to win.
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I mean the kids played in so many tournaments now,
but I think the important factor is learning how to win.
And Jasmine Jenney would they played, they didn't win, They
were at the bottom of the list, and they you know,
each year they worked their way up until you know,
they were just dominating. You know, they won ten twelve
events a year, and I think that gives them the conference.
I think it's really important to learn how to win.
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And the girls they get back. I mean anytime we
ask them for anything, there more than welcome.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
You know, there were caddies in the Wishbone and Xander said,
it isn't that Jasmine Jay caddies for me one time.
Speaker 11 (43:54):
And go yeah, now that they're playing with you, and
He's like, oh boy, the get out those pursuemons.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Which brings us back to will Crop and Goats Junior
Caddy and Leadership Program, which was started about four years ago,
similar to the Solage Caddy and Leadership Academy at common
Ground in Denver, Colorado. If you show up at Goat
Hill Park and take a junior caddy, their fee of
forty dollars is subsidized. All you have to do is
agree to engage with them, mentor them, and if they've
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earned it, you can give them a tip. Everyone wins.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
The whole goal of the program is to give these
kids not only a job for the summer, but a
place to go that they can be a part of
a community and they can learn things through golf that
lessons that will stay with them for the rest of
their lives. And that's really There is an element of
wanting them to get into golf. Sure, we do want
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to grow the game, but it's about so much more
than anything to do with golf.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
It's about learning to communicate with adults.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
That's learning how to hold yourself around a golf course,
how to interact with people that you're working for and
that you're working with.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
And golf is such a beautiful.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Canvas and I can't think of a better place to
do it than goat Hill to teach these kids.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
I mean, we had the Caddy.
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Ending tournament this Sunday, and one thing that I really
reflected on is watching these kids come in in May
and kind of be, you know, deer in a headlights,
not really know where they're going, what's going on, kind
of shy to the members and stuff, and by the end,
you know, they're part of the community. We have members
come out that caddy for them, want to caddy for them,
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be a part of the program, and they're rooting them
on like they're their own kids. And I think that's
what has been the coolest part of the academy for
me running it for the first year is seeing the
kids get involved, get comfortable, become a part of this
great community that we have. That has been extremely rewarding
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into something that I wasn't necessarily expecting right off the bat,
But in terms of taking it to the to where
I believe it can go, is I mean, this guy's
the limit with that program. We've had so much feedback
people wanting to be involved in it, so many ex
caddies that just talk about how caddying was the number
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one job they've had their entire life and they couldn't
imagine a better.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Job as a kid.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
So I think that adding you know, adding some more
leadership aspects, being able to get the kids up at
the course more and more and more and more, that's
really my huge goal for it. I mean, building this
clubhouse for them to have kind of a home up
at Goat Hill will be something that will take it
to the next level for sure, but you know, creating
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that experience more. I want them to learn more lessons
that I've learned through golf and that we all have
and kind of exedite that process through a summer if possible.
That's really my goal with it. You know, I'd like
to teach some of the stuff that maybe they don't
learn in school and be able to use golf to
be able to teach them that stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Needless to say, Crop has been an incredible addition to
the Goat community. Now back to the wishbone brawl, the
crowd and the kids and the dogs and you know what,
you know, what what do you have in terms of
information for people listening in terms of what time they
should get there and parking and is there some logistical
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stuff you'd like to share with anybody who listens?
Speaker 5 (47:33):
No, No, yeah, I will, well I will okay, So yeah,
I would say, you know, I think the gates open
nine point thirty ten o'clock. I mean we tee it
up at noon. We're pretty clock. We're pretty on that right,
usually typically pretty close. The guys will be hitting balls
on the range and warming up, and you'll be acting
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with them.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
About eleven.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
The kids will have a little contest to hit the gong,
and they also are going to be coloring golf. The
little kids will be doing golf balls, coloring or something
like that. And then parking wise, you know, we don't
have a ton of parking, so we do have enough
for the first probably a couple hundred cars, which is
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fair about so I would either carpool or take an
uber or park in the in the houses directly north
of the golf course on Greenbrier, there's a couple of streets.
There's also a church that we have about a block
away or two blocks away, has a huge parking lot,
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so that's an easy walk. And we will have a
gate open on the eighteenth holl if you park in
that neighborhood or the church, super easy access. We'll have
some butody, you know, man at that gate and otherwise
take an ober. Then you can party and go back
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when you want to.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
You know, if you have thirteen hundred people, a thousand adults,
three hundred kids, and probably one hundred dougs, that's that's
that's full house.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Well, it's going to be a full house. It's kind
of be a full house.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And lastly, some final reflections from everyone involved. We start
with Ashworth. This community concept and what you've done. You know,
like you know the park mentality where you happen to
play golf and you know, this cultivation of everybody feels
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like they're part of something, you know, bringing people together,
the linking of souls, but also you know, the saving
of a community asset, right like you know that that
it all kind of feels like on days like Saturday,
it's it's this it's this collision of all the good things.
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You know, it's got to feel like one of those
days where you kind of take a second stop, look
around and is it days like that that that keep
you going on some of those hard days when you
know you're dealing with all the the turmoil and the
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troubles that come with managing a facility like that or
life in general, is it a day like a wishbone
brawl day that makes you kind of soak it up
and keep it moving forward.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Yeah, it's definitely one that's definitely a big day that
just kind of just it's such a big you know,
it's such a big energy and to see the community
come together and everybody enjoy it and be part of it.
It is It is one of those days that kind
of just more than just makes it all worthwhile. I mean,
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it's just like, you know, the world's in such a
crazy place right now, and to have a place like
Goat Hill Park or any golf course really, I mean,
golf is really such an important aspect of you know,
I guess our lives right because we can get away
to the golf course and to have an affordable sort
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of situation like we do with the Goat for everybody.
You know, I think mental health it plays such a
key role in that, And I can't imagine if we
didn't have a place to go to like that.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
The layovout twins on the big picture, the deeper meaning
of Saturday. It starts with Jasmine dan Jenne. Do you
also see an opportunity to try to positively impact some
some you know, not just young women but kids in general.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I think it's so cool, like how we're given
the opportunities to be in a position where we can
inspire younger kids. And knowing we started kind of late,
but like it doesn't matter, like when you start, and
I think it'll be really cool to see them and
(52:28):
just make make them our fans. Yeah, And I think
that it's just super amazing that we were alumni of
the program that this is supporting, and so I hope
that they can see that we're just a product of
this amazing program and.
Speaker 9 (52:46):
That they can be inspired by that.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
But I'm just gonna try to have fun and smile
a lot and and try to try my best inspire them.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
All of it is there for you. It's going to
be a beautiful day. The golf course is in great shape.
And again, you know, your advantages are each other, your caddies,
your knowledge of the golf course, you know, the crowd
support and the home crowd, and you guys are playing damn.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
Good golf right, trying our best.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Here's Colin Featherstone on how and why the Wishbone Brawl matters.
Speaker 13 (53:22):
Well, I think when you get a superstar like Xander involved,
and then you've got another superstar like Freddie Couples involved
the last couple of years, and then Jeff Ogilvie and
Dean Wilson and the names that have come through here,
Charlie Hoffman and Chris Riley, and those are all guys
that resonate locally and nationally, so to be able to
(53:44):
come out to a place like Goat Hill, where, like
I said, it's so casual, it's just a fun place
to be.
Speaker 10 (53:51):
It's such a great walk and watch.
Speaker 13 (53:54):
These guys hit for Simmon Woods, which you never see anymore,
and you get to hear the sound off of a
person would and you get to be close and it's intimate.
Speaker 6 (54:02):
It's just that group.
Speaker 13 (54:05):
It's not surprising to me that it's grown into what
what it's grown into.
Speaker 10 (54:10):
And then to top.
Speaker 13 (54:11):
It off, all the proceeds go to North County Junior
Golf Association, which is in my opinion, a great tour
because it gives opportunities to kids to to play tournament
golf that is becoming increasingly harder, I think for you know,
a regular parent.
Speaker 10 (54:31):
To pay for financially.
Speaker 13 (54:34):
And so it's it's just a it's a good cause,
a really fun day and I'm proud to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
And here's will crop on the evolution of the course
and the cause.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
I mean, how many people are going to go out
to Goat Hill on Saturday and be like, holy cow,
what has happened in a year out here or in
six months or in you know, one week with the
new fire pit, it's like something's always changing out there.
And I think that that's that's that magnet. I mean,
people just love to see from the owner down putting
(55:08):
in you know, the hard work and effort, and it's
not glamorous work, but it's for such a greater cause
that I think it's just I mean, it's why I
got attracted here.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
And you gotta love a new fire pit.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Gotta yeah, yeah, gotta love a new fire pit.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
And finally, Dave Emrick, Yeah, we go it to.
Speaker 8 (55:30):
The volunteers too, Like we just built the fire pit.
Have you seen it this morning? The new fire pit.
Speaker 11 (55:34):
It is amazing that was built, what in three days,
with you know, ten guys who helped members, who helped
out and just got in and dug it out. And
it's insane, you know. But we do it because we
love it, and we'll always do it because we love it.
And we just love people coming out and supporting the
Goat and we appreciate you because you're a big.
Speaker 8 (55:52):
Part of the family. Is you know, the old family
just keeps growing and growing.
Speaker 11 (55:56):
You know, it's like grandkids and great grandkids and locals
and new people. It's just a it's just a I'm
very thankful. It's an amazing place and thanks for all
you do.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Of course, Well no, everybody, you know. I think what's
really beautiful is, you know, almost everybody has an attitude
of gratitude. And that's that is the you know, it's
it starts at the top and people like you and
John and and uh and the people like Laz and
Fernie and Jay Bird and Hunter and you know, the
(56:27):
list just keeps going on and on. There's nobody who's
not trying to pitch in and participate. H And you know,
the beautiful thing is when John says, hey, I need
some help, that's it. That's all he has to say
is I need some help. And then the next thing
he has is help. And and it's unconditional. It's unconditional
in so many ways.
Speaker 11 (56:46):
So yeah, it's a it's you know, it's just really
it's I think a little bit of a footprint of how.
Speaker 8 (56:51):
It should be.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Right.
Speaker 11 (56:53):
Oh yeah, dogs, community, fun, golf, friends, all all the
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Put another log on the fire me here is get
the time
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