A Honest Conversation About Clown's Online w/ Curtiss King

In this episode the homie Curtiss King tap's in, and the Lynch Mobb's Dazzie Dee co-pilot's this episode as MC Eiht tour's Europe.  Did you know that most of these idiot's who snitch on themselves were Rappers? Well we didn't either. We discuss that and a lot more.

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(01:25):
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Speaker 5 (01:42):
Hey man, you know how we do it. Brother, We're
trying to keep it moving home. You know what I'm saying.
I'm glad to be part of the team. Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
We'll show you know the Homeboy Dazzy D man Og producer,
rapper extraord. Now we got another person man that's real hot.
And hear the night Man coming on with us to
talk about state of hip hop. Come on, Curtis King
of Honored man. You know Curtis is like one of
those intellectual hip hop tights. Man. So I'm honored man
to have him coming here man with us, Man, come

(02:08):
in the ghetto one time, man and shocking up with
the brothers you know on the corner with the forty ounces.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
I'm with it. I'm with it.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Especially when when I got the call, I didn't pick
I didn't get to pick up because I was live streaming,
but I saw I had the call with you and
G so I know he only hit up. He only
hit me up when it's important, important business. So I
appreciate you having me on for.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Sure, man, you know, and you know, one of the
things we'd be talking about offline, especially being daddy don't
have this conversation a couple of times, is that him
Pop is in this real weird space right now where
it's a couple of these guys that are rappers. I
don't even know they was rappers. I know them more
from their online antis man than anything else. I don't
hear no music. I can see antics, right, you know,

(02:50):
whereas in my you know, in our day and time, Man,
if he was a rapper, you're wreck. You didn't go
out and you know beat people up. You didn't go
out and instigate fights and beat and all this other stuff.
You know what I'm saying. Just wreck you feel what
I'm saying. We in this real weird space now, and
I don't know if we do come out of it
no time soon.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
M Yeah, I think you make a valid point. Ain't
no mind you. I was born in eighty five, so
I got to see what life was like before the Internet.
I got to see what it was like when you
were an artist and you couldn't lean on the Internet
to get the worry out about what you're doing. So
it's like I came into like I'm right there as

(03:29):
a bridge between you know, some folks who might have
missed the boat when it comes to the Internet, and
then some folks.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Only know the Internet.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And because of that, I've been able to see, like,
if they shut it down today, I'm gonna be all right.
I know five or six things I can do next,
because I feel like the most important scale that I
mastered was how to talk to people, how to sell yourself,
you know, shout out some merds taking me out on
tour in twenty thirteen, he ain't put no money in

(04:00):
our pockets in terms of like to start off with,
it was like, you got if y'all want to make
it to every date, you got to figure this out
and how to sell yourself and talk to people.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And so I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
About a whole generation now that is used to only
being on the internet and then you put them in
front of somebody to sell a T shirt.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
That fucking lost, and so I'm not used to that.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
So then what they end up doing is coming to
folks like me who are able to kind of like
translate it in a way that says, you just got.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
To do more.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
You can't you can't rely upon just your personality, are
your online presence to get this going. Like the reason
I can get access to certain interviews and certain people
is because I had to get my ass out there
and put feet to pavement.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yes, real talk. And you know, with these kids nowadays, man,
and I don't even want to call them kids necessarily.
They're grown men, right, man, they're grown men. I might
even gonna give them a pass to saying they little kids.
A child to somebody who's nineteen years old. If you
don't be twenty, you know what the hell going on?
If you're eighteen, you really know what's going on right,
I'm seeing these guys. Not to put out them names.

(05:02):
I'm not here to blash nobody, because that's not what
we do over here. But you see a lot of
these guys, man, they've turned into content creators. I hate
that word, you know, because I've been podcasting, man since
I think it's twenty thirteen something like that. Man, since
twenty thirteen, and we got to deal with Charlemagne maybe
five years later. So I've been doing this a long time, man.

(05:24):
And it got to the place man where I don't
even post episodes on YouTube all the time because our
online our audio following is so strong, and to be
honest with you, I don't want to be putting the
same category as some of these other people, you know,
because that's the one thing. I meet people and they
say they have a podcast, and I asked them, you know,
with's your iTunes, you know, your your Apple podcasts one

(05:45):
or whatever, And they say, no, it's on YouTube, And
I tell them, man, all the podcasts the audio thing, man.
You know, it's both because I respected I respected man,
but it's like, and I don't want to use this word, man,
but it's real, like almost some some of these dudes
that like they learned and disabled. Man. You remember they
had the LD classes. Yeah, yeah, school man. You know

(06:08):
with some of the homies and like wild and stuff,
they'll put them in there. It's like at the LD
section on the internet.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now man, Well, I mean, look, I gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I got one of my subscribers that always reminds me
every time I get frustrated when I see some of
this shit, She'll be like, don't forget Curtis before you
get mad. The average reading level is level three or
grade three. That's the average score. And it got only
worse after the pandemic. And what I'm recognizing is like
there was a point in time where it didn't matter,
like what's your background. You could be the most gangst

(06:39):
of gangster when you get in that room in any
English class. If you struggling with them, with them words
reading through like any I don't care if they the bully,
no matter what it is, they finish, they finish clown you, right.
And I think being in that environment forced us to
be a different different generation of teens, a different generation
of eventually.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Twenty year olds.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
You talk about a lot of a lot of the
young ones are coming up, and I happened to mentor
a lot of them. I'm recognizing that even their experience
with music and their expectation is so low because of
all the.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Distractions that got in front of them.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Like what other time have we had where I could
have the phone open, here, the iPad open the here,
I could be gaming in front of the TV, I
could be having music in the background. It don't It
don't sound like a fun or at least before last year,
it doesn't sound like a fun activity for them to
sit there and decipher lyrics or sit there and listen

(07:32):
to musicianship.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
All they want is quote unquote vibes.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
When I understood that, and I was like, that's why
that's why you and I are disconnect talking about them.
That's why we're disconnected because I look for I look
for my music to be like medicine at times. I
look for my music to be the difference between fast
food and soul food.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, it's sometimes where you just need to go grab
something and.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's cool, but I need that that food to stick
to the bone, Like what do we doing? And there's
so much stuff that I think, like you said, you
don't know whether or not they're part time artists and
full time streamers, and uh, I think they trying to
figure it out too, because I tell you, even I
just turned forty this year, there's a part of me
that's like, Okay, well, what is my voice in the space.

(08:16):
And when I'm realizing, I'm so glad. I'm so glad
that I'm so glad that y'all in the space. I'm
so glad that there's there's outlets of wisdom because let
the industry tell it many you know, this industry that
I've always had the theory that they take all the
energy they can, especially out of black men before they forties.

(08:39):
They take you for your money, your masters, they take
you for your your your.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Drive, and all we got left is to hopefully be.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Able to tell these stories, you know, on podcasts or
whatever we're doing. But in terms of the creativity that
everybody got to know about us, that's the first shit
they take. And it's crazy enough, that's what colonizers do
when they take over a country.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
The first thing they do is take dart.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah for real, So really, you know, speaking of Calvinisers
to go on, you know, On another note, I like
to travel a lot, man, especially as I get older,
it's some that I appreciate, you know, to go see
the world.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I started going to Europe, like maybe two thousand and four,
two thousand and three, I started going over to England
and Germany and different places just to see. I was
going over there on business, but it really became an
educational thing for me. So we just came back from Aruba.
You and my wife was out there last week and
part of this weekend, and the one thing I noticed, man,

(09:32):
was the amount of Dutch people over there, right, And
I said, wow, man, these people really conquered the whole world. Man.
They went over to Africa, you know, that was what
slavery kidnapped us out of there. Then they came over
to my islands like a Aruba in different places and
took those over. And I was looking at their parliament, man,
that had all of those you know, Dutch people in
And I'm not nowhere near racist. I'm just keeping the

(09:53):
one thousand man. And I looked at the stuff we
got going on here in America while everybody else in
the rest of the world is kind of serious mm hmm.
Like I looked at them little kids over there in
the room. But man, these young kids man, maybe fifteen sixteen,
they working jobs. They talked to you when they greet
with their hello, sir, hello man, And I called Kicky
was tracking o gine. It wasn't like that these little

(10:14):
dudentes are here working. And I said, man, we really
are behind man, because I don't taking this disrespect man,
but some of these little dudies be looking older than
me and be hitting me up with what's up? Oc.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, no, no, because because because that's what happened when
you hold on this shit. That's what happened when you
when you don't have a foundation of lean on. You know,
I'm grateful, like people always make the joke that my
pops look like milcaelm X, but he more so furious
styles like that that Poppa was always in the picture
for me and he never hid anything from me. So

(10:47):
you know, just like you said earlier, You're like, I'm
not racist. I'm not either, but I'm not gonna act
like I don't got eyes. I'm not gonna act like
I don't see this teacher who happens to be a
white lady that is talking differently to her white her.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
White students that she tests to her black student.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
And it's like, these are things that I came up,
you know, coming up in Carson, California, coming up and
you know, I stayed in down there for a little bit.
I stayed in you know, uh Loan Beach for a
little bit. I've seen a little mix and then I
went to the ie in two thousand and nine and up.
But I say that to say that I've seen a mix,
and I do see the same thing that you're saying,

(11:21):
and that people are aging so quickly because they taking
on habits that usually you associate with, like you know,
eighty year old, eighty year old, you know, the smoke
of the cigarettes. I'm seeing like twenty year old chain
smoking cigarettes. And I'm like, bro, what you stressing on?

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Man?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I go back to this track thing. That's a big
thing part got to figure.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Out, you know. The funny part of the curtis it's
like with these young cats, they're almost trying to talk
to you, like when they talk about age, like it's
just like it's like a horrible thing to get older.
And I had asked one of the little cats one day,
what you plan on dying at thirty five or something?
Bro Like, like do you plan on not being here.
And it's like if you're trying to use my age

(12:08):
to like hurt me and made me feel bad, man,
my age is my strength. It's about a wisdom. Man.
This is you know behind these years come a lot
of tears. I an't been through a lot of stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
That really just made me a better husband, made me
a better father, made me a better businessman, entrepreneur, and
just a better all around person. Like I was talking
to Dashy the other day, man, and me and them
met when we was both we here was that Dashy
met with Tony Lane Lane with records?

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yeah about that was about what ninety six ninety seven?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, ninety six ninety seven, man, And it goes back
there far. Man. You know we was in there with
Sugar Free and you know Quick and all those cats, man,
and time just flies, man, And I'm a whole different
person than I was back then. I'm like, that's like
to me eons ago. Man. I look at some of
the stuff I used to do back then and be like, man,
you know it was our own back then, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Less And I'm still here for real, you know here,
And I even look at you know, these cats when
they come.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
To the music and I talked to them, and I
tell them, it really hasn't changed too much, man, not
not to me, Not not to me anyway. I think
it's I think, if anything, is kind of like regrets
to just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I think we was a little and I'm not one
of them dudes to be trying to give them a
little homies heads man and talk about their music or whatever.
But they just me getting order. I don't feel a
connection with some of the stuff they're doing.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, you know, you know, I don't. You know, I
don't hold that to you.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Is because I don't think they feel a connection to
what they're listening and making. I don't think they their
their their goal is connection. I think their goal is
some level of relatability to the vibe, some relatability to
this is what I want to have in the background.
To me, it's no, it's not a coincidence that in
the same era that you see a lot of the youth,

(13:58):
and I want to say all of them, because some
of them do really seek out the stuff from their uncles,
and then you know, I would be considered unk it
come looking for me to give them you know, God
and some music. But for those who are not like that,
it started dawning on me. A lot of the schools
failed them too. And because the schools failed them, is
a trickle down effect, is there's a there's a domino

(14:18):
effect of if the schools are not doing their job,
literary literacy rates are down. I watched the video where As,
a documentary about why rappers are no longer writing anymore,
and halfway through that documentary, it dawned on me, I
don't think some of these some of these kids can
read like legitimately put these ideas together. So the best

(14:40):
thing they have is their memory, which stiff over exercised,
and they just wrap whatever comes to them. It doesn't
have a connection. You gotta really sit down when you
want to.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Write like a cube.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
You want to write you know, like like like like
like some of the the like Biggie like, you want
to write like Poc. You gotta have some passion first
of all behind what you do. But you also got
to have care. And they're living in a time where
everything is so desensitized, right like they want to have
you devoid of emotion and just look for a vibe
or look for a playlist. I think for the first

(15:13):
time last year. I feel like that was one of
those what they call a cannon event that shook people
up out of a hypnosis and they said, well, damn,
if I want to have an ounce of success that
I'm seeing with a Kendrick, I gotta do something different.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
You know. You know what's crazy, homie is.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
I remember about four years ago, right, I was at
the studio we woul shooting video, but we were shooting
at a recording studio, and man, the studio was immaculated. Bro,
I'm talking about full press, right. So I talked to
the owner. I was like, man, I know, you get
a lot of traffic, you get a lot of business.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Is the studio beautiful? He was like, he was like, bru.
The kind of clients we get these days.

Speaker 7 (15:52):
They be youngsters, and when they don't even come in
with their own beats or producers, first thing they want
to do is hop on YouTube and pick them YouTube beats. Now,
I gotta download that, throw that in the doll and
then they want to get high and then go in
there freestyle for two or three hours trying to figure
out until they got enough to make a rap song.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
I was like that, ain't it?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know that would have got me laughed at the
studio like I would have never been able to get
back in there. And there was a point in time
where you know, relationships was your ultimate value. You could
have the best beats in the world, you could have
the best production people. Gotta really sit there, the ones
who are in charge of that room, gotta really sit
there and say, do I feel like dealing with this
nigga today?

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Real talk?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I'd rather deal with somebody else that's not as talented.
And that's how I kept getting invited back into the
TD studios. I wasn't more talented than sound Way, I
wasn't more talented than Tabs and and all these other
other Willie b But one thing I was is if
ILI call me and say two o'clock in the morning,
can you get those stems to me, I'm gonna be

(16:56):
like groaning and be mad and shit, but I'm gonna
still get up and I'm gonna go email that because
I understand the way that business is conducted, and I
know the industry. I chose a lot of a lot
of folks, a lot of and I hate just put
it on you because it's it's artist, my age.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I still ain't got that shit.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
They treat this like it's a hobby, and wonder why
they got hobby results. We gotta if you want this
to be a business, you gotta really And that's what
started getting me to questioning things like why do we
push so hard on streaming when they don't give us
our data, no emails, no phone numbers. I'm like, you
can't run a business this way. No business can be

(17:34):
run successful without data from their customers. Treat us like,
you know, like like we're customers, because it really is.
That's what it is. We buy studio time, not to
use it, just to put it on the ground.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, and that model is slowly playing out. Man. What
it's going back to? What's going back to? Really independence?

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
And I'm talking about real independence, not just putting your
record on the streaming platform. I'm talking about getting your website,
ship set up, maybe going to go press you five
hundred copies and you're album up and sell them for
twenty five thirty dollars and building you up and following
them like when you talked about I was going over
to as an independent artist. When I was rapping I
was going over to England and I was going over

(18:14):
there doing shows for four or five hundred dollars. But
I remember people would laugh at that, like, man, you
ain't making no money. And I had to break it
down to him one day. I said, so check this out.
You go to a job, right and that job is
paying you seven hundred dollars a week. I'm not about.
I'm out here about to go do fifteen shows and
here I got some of them maybe five hundred bucks,
but someone maybe seven hundred. But outside of that little

(18:36):
money I'm getting, they also paying for my flight, and
i'ma also sell my T shirts and my CDs over
there for one hundred dollars a piece because they appreciate
it over there. So if I sell twenty thirty CDs
at night, I was you know, I bought my first
house off.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Doing that, and I salute you for that because I'm
like they only I shouldn't say only, but music is
definitely one of their favorite ones to criticize at as
if if I had a Mama Pop piece of restaurant
on the corner and we only made fifteen hundred dollars,
don't nobody say anything about that? We only made fifteen
hundred dollars. No, No, it's this is your job. This is

(19:10):
your business. Some days are better than others. This is
the entrepreneurial journey that I chose. I think, what's so
what's so powerful about you being out there? Is one
once you go overseas, the expectation is that you can
come back overseas once you sell merchandise and all of that.
And I'm not saying this as if you're stuff you
don't already know. I'm just saying, like I think for

(19:31):
those who are watching who don't know, like getting paid
five it's artists right now that were beg to get
paid fifty dollars in a plane ticket to go to
Germany right now because of how crazy it is and
how cheap a lot of these venues and promoters have become.
But can't You can't turn your nose up to something
that you haven't accomplished. And I think that that's one
thing I noticed specifically on social media is that there's

(19:54):
a lot of that going around where they'll look at
somebody and call them a failed rapper or a failed producer,
and I'm like, what have you ever succeeded at.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
To be somebody that's got check. Anybody that gets a
check in this bitness. Anybody that got to check out
of hip hop man, salute to you. Everybody got to
check out of the film if that was if they
are basketball player, football player. I don't care if you
played in the G League. I don't care if you
played in the UFL or whatever, cfil or whatever. If
somebody pays you to do your craft, that means you're

(20:24):
better than ninety nine point nine percent if everybody else
in your perspective field.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
You know what's funny, It goes back. It goes back
to what y'all was saying, though.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Bro, it's about see here's the difference between our generation
and the new generation. Right, It's about antics now, right,
All you got to do is how to correct antics, bro,
whether it's messy, whether it's trying to be super gangster,
whether it's trying to be super goofy. The antics attract
more traffic nowadays than actually good music, right. I could

(20:55):
I can see somebody doing something off the wall, roll
for like two or three weeks and don't even know
they rap, yeah, steell me, and then when I do
tune in to him to go Damn, I ain't know
they rap. Let me check him out.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
The trash trash.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I'm gonna give y'all one even better. So and I
ain't gonna say this dude's name because I wanted to
come and blast my house up, you know what I'm saying.
But so my my attorney caused me one day, man
shut out today. Man. He hits me up one day
and says, hey, man, I want to get such and
such on your show. And I'm kind of like, huh,
I know who this dude is because I don't see
him on Adam twenty two's. He's not our type of person, right,

(21:48):
But it's my attorney, right, you know, shout out today again?
And I say, why not? So now treat this the
person I was gonna have come in and like we
was doing a live taking, so I have, you know,
go to Hollywood and stuff. The one guy we had
coming in there that was gonna come in. We had
already been kind of like he was stilling, kind of
telling me like I'm coming to night, bro, but next

(22:08):
week would really be better. So I said, you know what,
forget it day telling him to be here tonight. So
I tell my man, hey, just coming next week. Bro,
Oh thanks, good looking out? So you know, problem solved? Right,
So I go to the studio, right and I'm waiting
for this dude to get here. Man, it's like five
minutes past when you got a guess, I got a roll,

(22:28):
I got a model, me and eight got a month.
When you go find us out? Two sacks. If we
in the studio and we waiting for you to come up,
you haven't called us and you're running late. When it's
past at ten minute mark, we gonna start doing the show.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, you start the show. Okay, we're starting the show.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
So if you come in and you happen to make it, well,
then like you got around a thirty minute marks to
be allowed to sit down with us. If you coming
in there thirty minute mark, we're gonna tell you to
do one of these till you hold up. You gonna
wait outside that look last, we're gonna finish the show,
and we're gonna come out there and say what's happening?

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Man?

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Too bad you can't make it? You know why, because
you didn't do western courtesy of giving us a phone call.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, and it takes two seconds to do that. It
takes I'm.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Gonna tell you right now, We're not like these other shows.
We don't pay for guests. You have. Everything we get
is off the sprink of our relationships. Somebody want to
come and sit down with us, we don't do. You know,
if you want some money, you can win to the
wrong show. We ain't gotten it for you.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm still my mind is still blowing it. That's a thing.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Like somebody approached me. Somebody came to me though, Like
I understand if I reached out and you got your price, Okay, cool,
that's your time, that's your travel. I still think that's
wild because of how many interviews I did, especially up
and down the West Coast for free, because I was like.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's in exchange. You have a platform, I have a story,
and this is what it is.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
But I get it right.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
But things evolved, Okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
But somebody reached out to me to be on my
platform and then said I'll come down on my price.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
And I said, it don't matter how low you come
on on your price, you're not coming on it.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I had helped to me before. Now I'm gonna put
this whose name? This white guy hits me up. He's
on our clips channel, right, cause we got, you know,
a couple of different YouTube channel. He's on our clips
channel and he's like, man, y'all need to have me
on the show. You need to have me on the show.
So our cameraman shout out to Brian. He hits me
up and like, hey man, this dude keep asking you
on the show, so he gonna hit you. So he

(24:19):
hits me up in the on Instagram or whatever and says,
what's up. And so I'm kind of like, what's up?
Like what's having? Yeah, what's up? Y'all need me to
come let me know what y'all budget is. And I said, bro,
you hear us something to come over. I ain't reach
out to you asked me to come on this motherfucker?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
How you volunteering yourself to take me to put my
money in your pockets?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
How does that work? That's the part I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
And what am I paying you for? So let me
get back to this little dude, right. So I'm sitting
in the studio waiting, keep in mind, and he was
sick that night. He was sick, just like you know
for everybody else that to knowse everybody knows he ighties
on tour this week. That's why ain't here's gonna ask
me no more? Get me back here next week. So
this dude coming, I'm waiting. I'm already steaming. I'm mad

(25:09):
right the seven twenty. I'm by myself and I could
pull those episodes up. I've done them before, but I
don't like doing them. I don't have no I don't
have no planing. You you know what this seels. You
do this for a living, bro, So you know what
it is when you don't have nothing to talk about,
kind of like you have something said it already and
I'm like. So I called David and said, man, where

(25:30):
your boy? And he said, oh man, he pissed me off.
He said he's not coming. He said that y'all should
be giving him a few dollars because he hot right now.
I told Dave, I said, man, first of all, you
tell that little mother I call him everything. I said, man,
you tell them go to eat a bag. And you
know what, you know what I'm saying, cause I was
mad as.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hell, and I was like, here, if you got hot,
why are you reaching out the platforms? If you got hot,
not math it if you got it.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And that's the thing about it, like I always try
to make sure that whatever I expect anybody else, I
first take accountability and put them standards on me.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I make sure that that that if I'm not willing
to show up the way that I'm gonna show up,
I'm gonna tell somebody no, even if they have a
large platform, like you know what, No, it's not a
good time.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And I won't give you my best, but for you
to go reach out to somebody.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I can't even imagine the mindset of reaching out to
somebody and telling them, okay, yeah, so here's my price.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
You you cold calling?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
If you got a following, talk to your following. We
in twenty twenty five, you go live stream by yourself.
But when you got other people and they got cameramen,
they got staffed, they gotta they gotta go from their
families to come talk to you, which is really just
you setting up cameras so they can waffle on about themselves.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, and you know what it deos too. I'm gonna
tell you what these guys pay for and SEO, I
got a plenty of homeboys out and they got really
successful platforms, and that's their model and they're doing their
things shout out to y'all. Y'all know who y'all is, right,
But the thing is, when you pay somebody for something,
you have an expectation. Sure, that's almost like if you

(27:10):
go on a date with a woman and she tells you,
I need three hundred dollars for the evening you need
to go tell to get the hell out of your car.
You're gonna say, you know what, we could skip? Well,
I can skip these movies in this restaurant. Now we
going straight to the thumb or tell, because I was
gonna spend that anyway. You feel what I'm saying right right,
So it's the same thing with these guys. If somebody's
gonna pay you to come on their platform, they gonna

(27:31):
ask you all the goofy stuff for this man. They
will ask you if you shot somebody before, how was
it being a crip? How is it being a blood?
All your business? They donna want to get and they
have a right to. They have a right to delve
into your thing because they are paying for that opportunity
to delve into your personal memoirs.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, but see, I'm the type person that say I'd
rather just do it for free so I can walk
away when you start asking them questions. I don't want
to pay for something that's gonna lock me into having
to answer those questions. If if I'm a I think
that's something else too.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
A part of that? And I hate to say it
because I'm I'm I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Obviously pro artists when I say this, as I know
that y'all are too, but I'm not pro to bullshit
like if y'all. If y'all are not gonna do the
work to make content, you need people who got platforms
to help you make content. So trying to like get
around there and say I'm hot, Okay, you so hot,
Hire somebody and delegate the responsibilities of doing content. Have

(28:29):
them follow you around in the studio, have a little
have a young editor who you know, I'm just just
is just trying to get their resume built. Go do that,
But don't sit up here and think that you're entitled
to other people's time. Which is why like even with me,
like I do interviews from the house, but not everybody
get to come to the house. Sometimes I do the
stream yard simply because it's like, but even then, if

(28:53):
I don't trust you in my house, it's more of
a convenience.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I got to ask myself, why am I talking to
this person?

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, I don't have homies come to take over my
house too. I haven't had that a lot, but the
homies did. Like Glasses, Man, he will come over here, Glasses,
it's my brother. He you know house, you know millions
times as I am his is. At one time I
had a key of Glass's house over in Lakewood because
when he go out of town he's doing cash money.
Peo would tell me, hey, man, you know how Glasses

(29:19):
his glasses to call you eleven o'clock at night because
I left this thing over here cause you go go
to my house and I think about it. I lived
thirty minutes away from them. I'm like, dog, you were
think of this earlier in the day. I gotta wake
up and got to explain to my wife why I'm
going somewhere to go get a piece of paper to
tell him what to say on there. You know what
I'm saying, that's Jedo.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's Jedo because when I when I moved from Carson
to to Rancho for a few years back, when I
was trying to build him, I didn't know him on
the level that you knew him as a friend. I
just knew him as I got my first placement because
I sent them beasts when he was you know, all
the Blue Division artists were there, and you know Ace
Pawn was doing all of like the her stuff or

(30:00):
the A and R stuff, and so he was like,
he put out an email, Uh, Glasses kneeds beats for
a project he's doing with mag ten And I sent
three beats. When the church came back, I had a placement,
so I was still trying to build on some kind
of level.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I tell you this, it was.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
It was times where I was like, dam an, I fine, really,
I'm about to really go to the studio with Glasses.
Was like twenty ten and I drove out there, and
this is when I got to understand, like he's his
mind works differently, like he operated on his own time.
And I went out there had my laptop. She was like,
I'm ready to play some beats, and they was like, oh,
g left thirty minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
That's his dass right there. That's him. I ain't called
you with nothing, ain't called you with nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's him, all right, Okay, so it's good to hear that.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I'm like, you know, what I'm saying, because you never
know when you walk into it by now I know,
but I'm just saying, like, I just think that's just
the way his mind works.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I mean, you can't.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
You can't love somebody's genius without understanding that that's part
of the character too.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
His man, your man, and I remember, you know he
don't live close to here no more? Right, Yeah, So
we go out there and I'm gonna give you two
different times. This is when we started doing the podcast stuff.
I was trying to get him to do it right right,
and we had a little self he was recording at
his loft downtown when he lived downtown. I go down there, man,
and he hits me all that day. Man, still be bullshiting.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
His wife ain't gonna let him work the woking and
their thing. I'm down there dog waiting getting the building,
and I'm waiting by his door. Ten minutes go by,
twenty minutes go by. I finally called him, and keep
in mind, he ain't got the best signal up there, man,
so the call keep dropping. So I keep running down
the stairs man, just in case he called her something.
And he tell me, oh, man, I'm my bad cousin.

(31:42):
I ain't gonna do a to make it. I said, man,
you couldn't call and tell me that. Man, I've been
waiting out here for a minute. But that's just classes.
You can't take that, man, because what do you do too?

Speaker 5 (31:53):
He'd call you.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Man, you know, we gotta do this thing that that
what you're talking about. We just got this thing in
the valley, just out just paying around the city. You're
like kind of around the city mouth and it's five
o'clock in the afternoon and you talking about this five o'clock.
Now you talking about need to be there about six.
It ain't happen me.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
It ain't.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
But you know what, though I say this, especially as
somebody that you know considers him, uh, one of the
best mentors I had. It didn't matter. It didn't matter
that the context of my music, It didn't matter that
my story is very different from his. He got such
a he got such a good eye for authenticity. And

(32:30):
that's one thing he told because I asked him. I said,
he came out to my album release party I had
in Pomona when I had moved to la He came
out there and drove out there, and I'm like, at
that time, it still was like it wasn't like Big
Broke Glass.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm like, lasts, just get out to my release party, right,
he didn't came out.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
When I did a show at the House of Blues,
he came out as a special guest, and I'm like,
I asked him on to I said, ge, why you
rock with me so much? Like you know what I'm saying,
Like I know I ain't I don't look like most
of your homies, and like I know, I might even
be a square in some of these circles, he said,
But you're not afraid to be you, he said, from
all your flaws, you don't ever hide that. He says,
you're authentic and that's all you need to know. And

(33:06):
it's and it's words like that that that that remind
me like how grateful I am that. Uh, you know,
I had an upbringing that said, you don't got nothing
to prove to nobody, right you you you you, You
show up as the man that you are, and whoever's
supposed to be there will remain. Whoever's not supposed to
be there, they'll voluntarily leave that situation.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
So, yeah, I always appreciated about him, even during this
battle Man. We we talked that.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
We talked at at length about culture. We talked at
length about what is this, What is this gonna mean
for you, as Curtis king in this? What do you
need to reconnect to?

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
What ar some Carson have you disconnected from just because
of just how long you've been doing this journey and
how far away you are, And all those conversations sat
with me, and as I watched all this stuff unfold,
I started to really step into this next era of
Curtis Kinge. But I owe so much of that to
the conversations I had with Glasses because he didn't have
to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Oh, he didn't have to do it. And you know,
I'm gonna go and I talked about glasses flaws. I'm
gonna tell you, Glasses is one of the best human
beings I've ever met. He's his shirt off his back,
and the thing about him, he's genuine with it. He's
not whoever lied to you, he's not whoever to cheats you.
He's not where to see you. He's not gonna do
none of that stuff you talked about the time he
was over there at TV Man, you know, I was

(34:27):
renting with him, for a while too, man or I
didn't know, but yeah, those are my guys right there. Man,
I remember that when he was just you know, when
he was just Kato man, and they was really pushing
Jay Rock over. The shots of them catch because they
tested him into what it takes to make it in
his business. When people ask me about dude, dog shout
us at my homeboy, Top. I was just holding him

(34:48):
the other night. He was relentless. Yeah you was, And
I'll tell you right now, man, if he don't, you know,
he gets the credit obviously because this guy's you know,
dotingham stay give him his credit. But I'm now m h.
If it wasn't the Top Man, it probably wouldn't be
a lot. I don't know if for to be Kendrick
as talents is. It's hard to make it in this business,

(35:09):
dude without a dude like Top behind it, prosbably wouldn't
be one of the greatest references of this generation because
he was remmless. Though.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Just think about the infrastructure he set up, right And
I didn't you know when I lived in Carson, I
only lived like ten minutes away from the studio that
they were.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
There's two studios, right the house that was across the street.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
And the cross street and one of the crosstreet with
the studio on the back right.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I'd have been to both of those. And I'm going
funny story too. And it's funny because I tall it
to a few people. But the first time I went
over there, I'm already familiar with Carson. I know it's
borderline content. Where we at, where that article's at. I'm like,
all right, cool, I know where I'm at. I know
it can get tricky depending on what time you at,
but I'm like, I'm going to a studio. Everything should

(35:50):
be good. Absol In botted me over because we had
some records that we were doing and I was supposed
to be Ali in the back studio. I call at
so and I'm like, yo, I'm outside. Uh you know
what do I need to do? They to go to
the front door. He's like, no, no, no, just open
the gate and go to the studio. I said, open
the gate and go to the back. I said, I said,

(36:12):
he said you good. He said, I gonna recognize you, okay.
I said, all right, cool. I opened up the gate
and I could not help but feel like it.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Was eyes just on me. It's eyes just on me.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It was top top said Nigga almost blew your blow
your head off.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
He said, who is you?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I said, I came here for a soul and I
came here to work with him tonight. He was like,
he's like, you need to you need to wait for
him next time. That was my introduction.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
But I say that to say that's true.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But I say that to say that's how protective he
was over that environment and protecting everybody that was in
that environment. I'll say you this. I've been there during
those days. And I just talked to Ali on my
platform about this where they go to that Louisiana Fried
Chicken over there off Avalon, and they bring the basket
of fries and they literally are going through studio sessions

(37:07):
just Sharon fry.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
He like might not not hand in hand, but like
they eating and going right back in the booth.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I watched that happen, but I also knew that in
that space, wasn't nobody concerned about nobody walking up, Nobody
concerned about none of that. And I think a lot
of that has to do with protecting your investment and
not just talking about the artists, but the environment that space.
I never went in that space feeling like I was
at any kind of risk because I just knew how
many folks was around that was taking care of home base.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's important. Everybody don't have that dog.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I'm gonna tell you about tough dude dog Man. He
was this type of dude. Man. He lets you know
how he felt. And it wasn't never with no disrespect.
He did the league with that right, but he was
very various trait for a person. Like he told you,
next time went outside, he meant that, you know, next
time with outside, he ain't gonna put some foot around
with you. I remember, man, one time we was in

(38:02):
Vegas at the arm They was out there shooting the
Lollipop you know Top he had anywhere with some publicity.
He went thinking about it. He was gonna make sure
Jay rock and then was gonna get looks in that video.
You gotta keep in mind at that time, Wayne is
the biggest artist in the world. Right, He's with Kendrick
Ills today back then, right, and they shooting that lolly
Pop video shooting man Top. You know, we gonna go

(38:23):
out to the Vegas man, we MiB ab out there.
Top stayed in that room man and made sure that
Jay Rock got in that video. Like that's what I
mean about being relentless. Now, he didn't press nobody or nothing,
but he wasn't playing on games. You know, he was
gonna make sure he was gonna beat in that video.
And I think everybody knew the Top wasn't playing no games.
He wouldn't really. He didn't really talk crazy to nobody

(38:46):
or nothing.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
It was just presan.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Look, I'll tell you this. My mama knew who he was.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
I said, I told her the name, and she said,
but say it again because she went to Carson Hyde
and and and she and she was like, oh, I've
known that name for a long time, but never have
I seen him except for that one situation where I
was out of I was out of you know, I
was out of pocket, trying to go. I was listening
to apps, so you know, I knew better now, But

(39:12):
I've never seen him have to raise his voice. I
seen him in situations where he came into that room.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I never forget.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It was one time where I was editing a video
and I think it was for something. They were asking me,
ay Curtis because I knew I was good with technology.
It was like, you know, how to convert videos or whatnot.
And so I just told him what I knew. You know,
I didn't use Mac. And he was like, you're really
good with this computer shit.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I was like, yeah, didn't have many words, but you
knew damn well.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Everybody in that room the energy shifted when he came
in there because you know, like I said, he got
a very serious demeanor. But at the same time, you
know that, you know, he had the foresight for what
he wanted this thing to be.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
And look at it now.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Again, A dude, man, it's rough, and I don't believe
say he just mean business. You feel what I'm saying.
He no play he' you know, fuck guy, you know
what I'm saying, No play play dude. He gave you
a shirt off his back. Dog Yeah, Genie went, dude,
he gave you a shirt off his back.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Now he that don't mean he lets you just you
get over on his ass either. But he looked out
for his people, you know what I'm saying. And he
Genie went about that. He's a Genie went on this dude.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah that that that that team.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know, it's crazy because you know, Glasses got me
my first paid placement. When I was over there, I
wasn't looking for a paid placement. I was looking for
an opportunity to be heard. I was doing stuff locally
in Carson. I was trying to do like these open mics.
I even did one of them. You know, I got
scammed in one of those. Sell these hundred tickets and uh,
you're gonna be in front of some A and rs

(40:44):
and all of that kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I never forget. It was at the Key Club. I
went to the Key Club. I went up there.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I seen everybody on stage with the bands and the lights.
I was like, always just gonna go up tonight, and
they was like you wrap. I was like yeah, they
said go downstairs. Huh, I go downstairs. It's a stage
that couldn't be no bigger than this table right here,
and uh there's people moving dishes from room to room.
And so it's like, I know what it was before

(41:12):
I met them, and as they ascended. You know, Luckily
I have my guy Apps, so I knew Apps sold
before he was with TD, when he was with a
label called Street Beat, E and T. He was coming
to my grandmother's patio to record songs with me because
I was a producer that just had a lot of
the same interests sonically as he did. And when I
listened to him, he see reminded me of a young
jay Z and I said, if I get a chance

(41:32):
to work with a young jay Z sounding artist, I
want to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
And that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And so he was like when he first the first
day he got signed, he said, Curtis, give me a
CD full of beats and I'm gonna floated around the studio.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I gave him a.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
CD full of beats low Ki, hoping that Jay Rock
wanted one of them because he was the biggest artists
at that time. He took that CD of beats. Little
did I know, one of the beasts, the first beats
that the Schoolboy Q rapped over was over a beat
that I made on if you ever heard this story,
but it was a beat that had eight awaits and gunshots.

(42:07):
I was trying to like eighta waits and gunshots because
in my mind I was trying to like rekindle the
Bone Thugs and Tupac song. I was like, I'm gonna
make a newer version of that. It was terrible punch.
It tell you to this day, he like, they still
say it's terrible. But one thing school Boy said is
that audition, like he was already the homeeie, already around
the environment. That's when he showed off how he could rap.

(42:30):
And uh, that's what he rapped over was my beat.
And so he was on shout out to my God,
Chuck Dizzle and head on home run radio. He said, man,
the beat was terrible, but he's like gurt that you
put me on, bro, Like, if it wasn't for you know,
if it wasn't for having that there, they wouldn't have
seen the skill set. I guess, you know, if you
could make a bad beat sound that good, then he
must be something special. So I say that to say,

(42:52):
like them dudes, I didn't need to get paid for
any placements for that to be a life changing experience,
because I always knew Curtis King on Curtis Curtis King
gonna take care of Curtis King.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
And all I needed was an opportunity and they gave that.
Tell me for sure.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Yeah, shout out to the homie punch over there, man,
punks punk Punch was my man. Yeah, that's my guy
right there, punc your tearans man. But I just think
right now, I think where things gonna go?

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Man?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Is everything? Industry seems like it kind of filters itself
out every few years, like dashy, I want to talk
about a lot of people don't know. You was with
Cuban them early on. You was part of Lynch mind right.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yes, sir, one of the original members.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Oh wow, y'a al was over there. You're always doing
a lot of recording with Jinks, wasn't y'all?

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Yeah? Yeah, over there with Jinks Pool. Yeah, it was us.
It was a squad.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
How how old is y'all during the time period?

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Well, when when when you first like got cracking cracking? Yeah,
it was about was about seventeen eighteen left he left
in w I think when he was around like nineteen.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Okay, So y'all's loot key is pretty much y'all the
same age as most of these little cats.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
All right, you know the points you about to make,
all right to the points you about to Did you
notice the difference?

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Broom?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, because that's because seventeen year olds back then was
grown in and the truest sense of it, like even
the folks you consider knuckleheads had a decarm, they had
a cold.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Now with the internet, it's like, well I could ben
that cold.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
What is cold? Really?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
They're questioning things, which is what kids do. Kids question
the wisdom of their elders every single generation that happens.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
This one is different.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Because now you're getting justifications even when you're dead wrong
from other people and strangers.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
That's saying that's not so crazy to do that. No,
it still is crazy, but you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
Man, it was new for us, Like you know, it
was so new for us. We were still in all
trying to figure it out. Right, Like, we didn't have
we didn't have you know, we didn't have a blueprint.
We was the blueprint for West coast hip hop right,
we didn't have so we didn't go.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
We didn't go.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
We didn't have a TUPAC, we didn't have a NTA,
we didn't have a glasses. We didn't you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
We didn't have. So we had to figure that out
on our own. And figuring that out we had to,
like like my man just said, we had to grow up.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
We had to go, Okay, what are we doing, Let's
make sure we do this right because the money was right,
everything was looking right, everything felt good.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
So we wanted to keep that going. So that's what
made us stay on top of our game.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Look, you know what's so crazy about you saying that?
And I'm just realizing that right now.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
One of the most genius marketing plans I've ever heard
of in hip hop was for uh, I forget the song.
But I was told by some some radio person now
that he's that cube was sitting around. You can't do
that now because of the anthrape scares. But it was
a bag of it, wasn't it like a bag of
like powder or something. And he had like a set

(45:59):
and some out of it. Because it's talking about the
same era where you know they were doing like the
Craig Mac Big Mac situation, Like that level of ingenuity,
that level of creativity where you're using the same skill
set you got to make a beat, that you got
to make a song, and you're putting that into your marketing.
It's a lot of kids who never had to like
build nothing, they never had to create nothing. I'm like,

(46:20):
that's your cheat cod You literally make a living being creative,
and then when it comes to your marketing on social media,
you're the least creative.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Yes, I mean that's when we talk about that.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
When the creativity ain't there, now, the anti's gotta take
that place, you feel me.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, that's the low hanging through.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
But the crazy thing about it is now an audience's
uh is turned away from that, and you gotta do
another magic trick?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
What you're gonna do?

Speaker 7 (46:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Yeah, they getting tired? Brother, I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah, And what happens is more than that, dude, the
level of insanity kind of goes up. So if you
got to do this last there is a guy online.
He's picking the boogets out of his nose and nastally
he's gonna start eating the motherfuckers right right, and people
go start tripping over that next thing, you know, when
they get bored with that. There's no telling him what
he's gonna be doing next. He might start digging in

(47:08):
the crack, you know, whatever, man doing that whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
But you know that in a way, right, you know,
that's a real thing that you just said right now.
And I know you were making that up, but you
know that's so real. It's a it's a young dude
called piss Man. You heard about him.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I ain't heard about it, but it don't surprise me.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I don't want to give you too much details. I
don't even want you to have to look it up
because it's it's it's it's insane, but it's like that's.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
What you talk what y'are talking about, that is the
levels of what we're talking about is that he's literally
got a following about how nasty he is inside his house,
how junky his house is, how like unlivable his house is,
and he's doing live streams in his house, and people
are coming to visit him to see if they can
spend the night there. I'm like this, like people on

(47:50):
this platform don't not on his platform, but he got
somebody who had a million to come on his platform.
And uh, I don't know if his name is actually
you know his name is piss Man, but like his
whole thing is like he does tricks with cartons and piss. Like,
as I say it out loud, I feel crazy, but
not as crazy as as it. I'm just saying, we're

(48:10):
in the time period where even when you're joking about that,
it's a kid right now, that's.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Like picking my bug is eating them. That's not a
bad idea.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
That's how bad it is, man, Because I'm anna tell you,
and I told I told Jcus g was on this
internet step early, yeah, when they had the girl with
It's So Cold and the d and all them different
people and the riffs and all the different people was
on the internet. She was on the early And I
told him, I said, Man, you really sitting in there
there giving this old silly shit in an audience. It's

(48:37):
somebody to wind up killing somebody on the internet one day,
I say, And it happened that dude in Cleveland was
just going around shooting people on the Internet. You got
stuff that's so crazy. Now, man, it's like I'm gonna
tell you, somebody's gonna get wet next to a podcast
on the podcast. I'm gonna tell you this time it's coming, man,
because right now this generation, man, see, when you don't

(49:00):
have no talent, you got to think a little different stuff.
If me and Sax wanted to come on here and
make beats and rap, we could do that. Yeah, we
could all redo that right now. I could be over
here putting a drum thing together because all of us
got to put me right in front of us right now.
I could be putting a drum fad together. We can
all spit right a hot sixteen. These other cats can't
do that. Man, they can't edit enohing. They don't have

(49:20):
the patience and fortitude to think of anything. And people,
you know this, One cat told me one day, he said, Man,
don't nobody care. Still, your podcast is boring. I say,
my podcast for you because you go listen to all
the other stupida shit, I said, a my podcast is
too intelligence for you.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Pretty much.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Well, and this is what I say, Like right now,
there's a lot of those those toxic, toxic podcasts, and
I have a question for y'all too. I want to
ask specifically, but because I asked you this question last week,
and I'm curious, but there's a lot of podcasts with
like really really, all they do is just do stories
about people's worst days. All they do is stories about
people on their worst days, and they make an audi

(50:00):
inside of all of that, and.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
There's no regret for it.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
They find their self doing it, and then when the
tables turn on them, you know, they get very defensive
because they can't handle the pressure they give to other people.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
But with that said, the question I got for you
is this coming up. I came up in many different environments.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Matter of fact, my mommy we used to live in
the house off of a fifty fourth in Hoper in
La by Saint.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Peter's Rock and my mom's used to play the keys there.
I was brought up around a lot lot of street culture.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I got my street smarts even though like I didn't
you know what I'm saying, I didn't graduate nowhere, but
I got them for a reason to know how to
handle myself in environments I got a question coming up.
There were certain names that would never get brought up
unless you was in the same circle. Every day I
get on YouTube, it's another one of them names getting mentioned.

(51:00):
It's street politics that used to be only internal that's
now left open to a white dude from Ohio to
instigate right or a podcast or to comment on. Do
y'all feel like it was a mistake for because it's
good to see voices get platform because you given awareness

(51:22):
to like this is what real, this is what the
real is is like, stop listening to these rappers, this
is what's really going on. But at the same time,
a lot of folks kind of made themselves targets because
now you broadcasting in front of a lot of people
politics that TheInk got nothing to do with.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, I think that, Like you said, it was a
time that you didn't speaking on certain stuff, like we
got a homy right now. Man, it's fighting for his
life right now. Often because of all the antics, you know,
because of all the antics z on, you know from
this whole podcast world right, people just say stuff because
they ain't no accountability.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Back in the day when we was in the business,
you was running somebody. You had to go outside. It
wasn't no it wasn't no marketing on the internet. You
had to go to one of the industry parties, you
had to go do shows, you had to go places.
You was run into somebody. If you was out here
talking slick, you was going for sure running somebody. Now
it ain't that dog. It's people that talk crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
I'll never see bro, that's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
They don't go outside. And I'm gonna tell you this,
there's no accountability. I'm gonna tell you something. I saw
a dude man sit online and say he chased me
around the studio with a studio with a microphone and
he threw me in the closet and tied me up
on all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
He said a podcast.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Yeah yeah, dude, around sixty years old, and just people
would say and do anything, bro, because there's no accountability
to it. They're not going to see me. I can't
reach through the screen and grab y'all right now. But
I sit up there and type all this shit I
want to. I can go in in and the food. Yeah,
right now.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That accountability, this is where I'm like.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
People will be surprised to hear me say this, but
I'm like that accountability comes from getting punched in the face.
You gotta fill that pain when you know, like, damn it,
do I really want to deal with these heavy hands
coming at me from this person that I think is
okay to troll. And you remember having the ice down
the eye, You remember having the like get over the
aches and pains and all of this stuff, Like you
gotta remember the embarrassment of getting your ass whatever the case. Like,

(53:29):
there's folks who've never been touched before, and I have
to remind myself there are people who will push every
single button because they know that I'm a man that
has integrity and has my own cold They'll push every
button they can, but if I ever press the issue,
they'll call the police.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Like a cold doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Many a heartbeat, brother.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
And that's wowed to me because I'm like, why are
you woofing it? Why you why are you barking so loud?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And then the moment that somebody presses you all of
a sudden, it's is it's I'm a victim. Why are
you so obsessed with me? And that's just literally the
nature of the Internet that I'll be telling you. When
I first came here, I was a lot more confrontational
because I didn't get that some kids get on here,
and not even kids, some adults get on here and
think everything's a game. They can say what they want,

(54:17):
get a few retweets, and then you move on to
the next thing. And I'm like, no, that, if I
see you, we gotta we have to address that. At
the very least, we gotta talk to you.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Know What's you know what's funny about that too?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Man?

Speaker 7 (54:28):
It's like you know that saying if you if you
love a star, never meet them because you'll always get disappointed.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Right. It's the same thing with a lot of these
Internet bangers and gangsters. Man like they they they went
the business all day. I give a lot of these
cats that I that I deal with. They with the business.
But on the other side of that, their sensitive thugs.
I've seen. I've seen thugs. I've seen so called gangsters.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
On their shows preaching you know, I peace. I'm not
trying to do no drama. I love everybody. Everybody loved me.
But soon as somebody hit that trigger for them back,
they ain't on.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
My must y'all, ain't I.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
I'm like, man, you're telling on yourself right now.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
And what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
You crashing out in front of people that.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Crash out?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What you internet crashing out, that's a different crash out,
but in crashing out in front of people.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Who don't look like us real talk.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
And that's why a lot of the so called people
caught up in these things they dealing with right now,
with these week olds right now.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I hate to see it.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I hate to see it because, like I said, it's
certain names that got brought up, and even in the
rooms that got brought up, it was hush, hush. I
never think of my life time I would see these
names be all over the news and all that I'm like,
it's all.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Of a podcast and it's still mind blowing me. And
I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I'm gonna tell you something, man. I knew it was
gonna be problems as soon as Big You got a podcast. Yes, man,
I just knew it. Now the man Big You was
my man. It's my guy right there. But I just
knew it was gonna be problems because you always have somebody.
And I'm gonna tell you something, man, It's something about
the allure of being the top dog in the streets

(56:18):
that just black men lose their mind. For if you
ask the average young black dude come up in the community,
what would he rather have a successful career in medicine
or long you know mediciners, you know, doing something else?
Or would you rather be the odes of the hood?
Just the king of the hood. They'll tell you the
king of the hood.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
It's just what they see, and it's a certain It's
almost like when I was a little kid growing up
on the East side, right, if I saw a cat
in the corner with a cadillact man or a deuce
in the quarter man had a not full of money
in his pocket and a bad broad man. In my
young mind, I'm thinking he lived life. I don't know
what kind of penitentiary chance sound because I don't see

(57:01):
all that. I don't see the other side of it, right,
I just see him right there, relation in the truth
of his labor. Right, and I'm like, damn, man, that
sounded like fly. I'm gonna tell you something. Man, you
want to come to California from the East Coats, right,
Not these coats, but the midwestern Cleveland. Right. I heard
Ice Tea's album with him Darlene on the cover, you

(57:21):
know you were in him with the strap, and I said, man,
I want a suit like that. Man, I want a
little ouzy chain like that. I want a bad bitch
by my side. Man. I didn't know what Darlene or
Tease was, but I was like, I want that.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Man.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
When I tell you, the tonge steaks life and death.
When I tell you sometime later, I had me a
bad bro a bad woman like that's my wife now, right.
I got my cash ups started, you know, wearing little suits.
I had a suit like Ice Tea and I just
got I just found one maybe five years ago. Sex

(57:59):
When I rest, he was like, now what you're getting there.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Old.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
I say, hey, man, this personal to me right here.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I always want one of those.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Right, But you can speak whatever your existence is to
exist into reality. Right. I see cats put curses on
themself every day online. Like you said, talk about the
homies is crash. Now I'm gonna do this. They just
drawing all that bad energy to them. Somebody greeting me
with bad energy. Dog, I don't have nothing to say
to them. You can say whatever else you want to
about me.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yes, real talk, And I'm telling I try to tell them.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
And I'm gonna tell you this, dog, I don't been
in the streets out here with the best stuff.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
I could do all that and more, but I choose
not to because it ain't I don't have to prove myself.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
I don't have to.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
I don't have to perform stupid place my masculinity. You
feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
I don't have to crash. I don't do stuff to
prove stuff to myself because I don't have nothing proved
to myself. I don't care about all that, dog want
look out here.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, what I was gonna say is that the thing
that makes is so dangerous and I think even probably
more Lauren, is that here you got a bunch of
faceless cheerleaders that are giving you rewards for acting that
complete ass, like for acting way out of character you getting.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
They're like, oh man, he going crazy right now.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Oh we gonna not not only are we gonna cheer
it on, we're gonna clip this podcast and we're gonna
send it to the other one.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I had somebody that's it.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I don't don't my crash outs online to be a
lot different because I don't be emotionally involved in this situation.
But people say some crazy shit about me, and every
once in a while I gotta remind them, like dog,
don't don't like, don't let the thumbnails fuck you up,
like I'm not like I'm I'm I have.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
It took me a long time to become this kind.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I've had my situations, and I realize there are people
who sit online chronically online that will take what you
said out of context, run to the next person and say, yo,
I think he might be talking about you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
All of a sudden, this person is trying to make
themselves the center of my world, the center of my
attention because of what this acd this little person said,
and they get to disappear. So I think the cheerleader,
I think that the instigating where it's not even sometimes
just the people. You gotta take accountability for your emotions.
But we know the internet was made to trigger emotions

(01:00:27):
that keep us on the internet longer. That's the less
the DNA of Instagram, the DNA of Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
That's why I don't care what you into. I'm into
My Lakers is my favorite thing, right. They know how
to keep me on YouTube, past past, when I want to,
when I want to stay away, they just keep feeding
me up shit. So what that said, I think the
same thing is happening. And I think a lot of
these brothers don't realize how much of a mental warfare
it has been put upon them, and how their algorithm

(01:00:55):
is literally designed for their destruction. But then some of
the and that also was them watching destruction and the
algorithm saying, okay, you want more of that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
You see what it is now? Man, People really getting
themselves in a lot of trouble on this computer talking man.
And that's the thing. When you have through confidence in yourself, man,
and you have good self esteem, you don't concern yourself
with the activities of just these peons. It's like, Man,
my grandfather used to have a saying, man lines, don't

(01:01:28):
associate with hyenas.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I definitely heard that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yeah, you feel what I'm saying. So it's like, man,
I never felt the need to go back to somebody
and prove myself all Man, he said this about me
and my bother man. First of all, I'm not trying
to go see it for nobody's jail, because see, I'm
gonna tell you I'm one of them guys that's probably
willing to take stuff a little bit further than what
you think is though. Go gos. I don't bother nobody.
So if you can feed my peace of mind and

(01:01:54):
I feel my family is in dangerous something like that,
I'm gonna take stuff to another fiction level that you
might not want to. I know that about myself, so
I don't even engage because it's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
You know my new favorite saying, because somebody tried me
like that recently and he found out. He found out
how much I know how to use the internet too,
because he got a bigger platform than me, and he
tried it, and he he didn't realize how many enemies
he had made throughout, throughout, throughout, throughout the years. I'm
not a've gonna bring him up, but I say, leave quiet,
loud people alone. I'm loud on my platform. It's my platform.

(01:02:28):
I talk about a lot of things going on in
hip hop because I'm passionate about it and because I've
done it. I'm I'm an independent artist. I call myself
a di I wire right, I do it yourself. I
don't go bothering nobody else's platform. But if you bring
that to me and you think that I'm just gonna
be docile and look the other way and not say
nothing about it, First of all, you we gotta be

(01:02:49):
equally yoke for me to even say something. But there's
some people who will who will try you because they
are under the assumption that you are a easy target.
And that's when I got to really think about this
in a holistic way and say, first of all, this
is worth the energy?

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Is it derailing what I've already been building.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Or is there an opportunity here to make sure that
this person serves as an example of why you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Don't fuck with certain people just leave them alone?

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
You know what, man, this is what I said about that.
I don't think that we should ever go looking for
somebody man, Like that's my thing. I don't look now.
I do have a list of people on his hand
that I say, you know what, if I see this dude,
I'm gonna knock his ass out. But I don't want
to trust him. I'm not going to go look for
him either.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yeah, and sometimes got to make sure you never cross
paths with this person because they know how serious it
is you on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
This list right here. That means you really disrespected me though,
And when I see you, I'm gonna make you stand
on everything you ever said, and it's gonna get ugly, right.
But I'm not wanting to look for that person. I
don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Again, lines don't concern themselves with the activities of hyena, man,
because we don't have time for that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
It's like a lot of these dudes. Man, it's just
a lot of these people. Man, something wrong with some
of these people. First of all, some of these problems.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Man, how often you ask yourself is this person rap
too How many times do you tell yourself, like, I
don't think this person is rap too tight?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
And I'm not even people tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Something that's wrong with them, man, because they don't act
like that. I'm gonna tell you something. This is the
truth right right. I love black people. I love my people, man,
And this is big fact.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Do you see any other race of people doing the
stuff that are forty and fifty year old men be
doing wine? Think about it. Brow. Now you have some
people who you know, like you've got the dude, some
jackass to get all the little silly, little stunts and
stuff like that. I'm not talking about that they getting
paid and making a lot of money doing what they do, right,

(01:05:00):
But the just the stuff out here, man, just the
stuff that used to be quiet. You know, from the
era I'm from. If you was a gang banger man,
you didn't believe want nobody to know you banged, if
you sold dope, you didn't want nobody know you sold dope,
If you was really into that life, you just kind
of was just low key. Yeah, you just kind of
stayed to yourself because you knew what it could be.
Right these dudes today, man, again, everybody is trying to

(01:05:23):
become the ghetto god. Everybody wants to be the ghetto guy.
And if you notice the ghetto god. Man, they die
all over the world. They get proven not to be
gods because they get knocked down all the time and
be surprised when it happened. Like, man, you saw they
knocked such and such down. Man, that's the such a
such as just a man at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, yeah, But you know what I am encouraged by
because I hear what you're saying, and I think that
that is a very real issue.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
That is a lot of that stuff too. What they
call that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
The I forget the law. It's like one of them
laws of human nature or like that stuff. I don't
know if it's dar wisdom, but like it finds its
way to work in itself out as we evolve as people.
I do think I'm encouraged by the same Internet that
we can use, as you were saying earlier, to do
all of this goofy shit and have it be amplified

(01:06:17):
all over the world. It's the same Internet that allows
me to have a conversation with somebody who never came
up like I came up, and give me a different
way to think about life, give me a different way
to address issues on a daily basis. That's why I
look at my responsibility sometimes in the space, Like when
I was first just doing producer content on YouTube, I
made an emphasis to be not just a god that

(01:06:39):
did tutorials, but the guy that talked about mental health,
the one that wasn't afraid to talk about the history
of my people. And I'm gonna find a way to
bring it into what I'm doing. And I got a
lot of hell because it wasn't a lot of black
concent creators, even though this is a traditionally black art form.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
They were giving me health. I got called things and
mind you, I didn't been.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I went to Paramount High where first time I ever
heard somebody call call me uh the N word with
the e R was at Paramount High. And it was
during the it was it was during the midst of
a race war, and it was like Black folks was
out numbered probably about ninety five percent to about three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Huh you no glasses hit now Glasses.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Glasses been a little bit older than me, but I
was going there probably two thousand probably to uh had
to be like two thousand, two thousand and one.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
But yeah, you definitely Glasses was going already.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Yes, I say all that to say I had that happen.
I had a dude tell me one time. He was like, man,
give me the answer to the to the test. And
I was saying, give me you ship. He said, all right, well,
I'm gonna just tell all the Latino as you said,
f Mexicans.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Now you got me fighting thirty forty people. It's see
the answer is see ship. Let me alone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I say all that to say that the n that
has by far and I've I've been called some crazy
things to my face and I didn't fought form and
all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I've been called more crazy thing. The first somebody's been
called a porch monkey. And I know, I don't. I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Look sometimes people think I'm Puerto Rican or whatever, but
like I'm I'm black. I'm black, and what my my
name is? D apostrophe w A nd wan. But I
didn't have people call me all kinds of things. But
I'm like, damn, I only heard.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
This in the books.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
You don't know the Catcher and the Ride, all these
kind of shit. I only see this in the movies
and the slave movies. All that came out of the
Internet and this is a different type of YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I say all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I have to say that there's so much of that
that goes unaccounted for. And I came into this with
very I thought I had thicker skin to what I had,
and I had to learn it quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Because I can't. You can't fight everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Broke and you can't care man, because you That's the
thing you gotta remember. Man, Half these people, Man, if
they saw you in a Walmart somewhere, don't you do,
They're not gonna say nothing to you. They thrive on animenity. Man.
So it's like, man, it's like it's like arguing with
a motherfucker on Instagram who ain't got no profile pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I don't do it no more. Now you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
It's like you have and know me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
I ain't even paying no attention to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
And that be the loudest too. I'm like, how you got?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
How are you the loudest about somebody's appearance? And you
won't even you too scared to upload a photo of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
That's what I'm saying. Because they thrive on animenity, man,
I mean you you got cats?

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Hold me that make a page? Just to go through
hate mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
But see what they don't understand is I came up
in l A U. S. D. And if you didn't
know how to clown somebody, you're gonna have a hard
time in them years. And it's been a situation where
I'm like, I better get some jokes. I better find
some jokes because if not, I'm finna be lit up
every single day until somebody saying, no, leave them alone,
leave them alone.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
You know, you know what I wanted to ask, ask you,
sex man, But see this crazy brn. I'm the little
sex then in the twenty years, and no, I never
asked no this ship when I'm around them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Do you remember when Q found yo Yo? Whe did
he always know her?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
He met her through jinks because Yoyo when we all
went to school together.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Really, was she wrapping back you when you went to
school with her?

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Yeah? Yeah she was. She was in this school called
Depth City.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Girls, Deaf City Girls. Yeah, so she wrote all her own.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Shit back in the day she did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Yeah, Yoya art Man, Yoya was always one of my
favorite female mcs. You know, the West Coast. I don't
know why the West Coast don't have no real female MC's. Like,
you know, people could say rage, but she went in
really a West coast. She was from VA, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Yeah, there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Lot of transplants though. I think that's what makes it
so unique, is that one thing is undeniable. I don't
care where you're from when you touch down here. The
same thing happened at Dilla too, when Dyla mat Mad
live out here. Hm, them drums start slumping a little
bit more. They started swinging a little bit more all
of a sudden, he using basslines you never really heard
in his beats.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
When you come over here and you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Touch down, it's something about this cooking, It's something about
this environment. It's something about the speed of life that
leaves an imprint on you no matter where you're from.
But I agree with you, was that, Yeah, in terms
of homegrown talent, you know it. Yeah, it's a list,
it's a list for sure. But yeah, that's that's one
of those where it's like I don't even look at

(01:11:29):
them as not being from here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Yeah, that's crazy, man. You know what, one day we
would have to have Jinks come up here. Man. I
talked to Jinks actually on Instagram and me and was
going back and forth. We need to make that happen. Man,
Jinks is probably one of the most underrated dudes out
of here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Oh man, we know, we know better.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
We know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Jeans don't do everybody. He did in some exhibits biggest records. Huh, Yeah,
Jeanstone did some big ass hip hop records.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
That's the thing about it, man.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
You know, huh that coolie rap album Bujie Wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
I'm saying, man, you know when you think about like
she probably just thinking about the changster rap side, but
he made some pivotal hip hop records. Man.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
Yeah, who was twelve hundred Yep, that was a ship
for a minute a long time. That actually twelve Yeah,
you can.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Just tell the way that just bit rate swinging that
motherfucker dog. Just the way the drum sounded that motherfuger
you just sampled something that motherfug It sounds way different
than like in the NPC or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Shit, because that was that eight and twelve bit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
He just gave it a certain ring to a dog.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
That's how e skill over here with the cheek holes
right now. Ea, Ski is utilizing a lot of them
sounds where it's like, why it sounds so much warmer
than the sounds that's coming out of f L in
the FL studio.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
It's like, because it's not coming out of FL studio.

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
Yeah, he ski got a gang out board gear man,
all that analog out board gear that should be slumping
the converter and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
You know. I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I didn't come up as a hardware hit. I had
to like learn from those who had hardware. I came
in at the tail end. Right, my mom's had a
a rolling Phantom and that was the first time I
had eating any kind of life physical equipment because I
just couldn't afford it. Right, I was on a Quiznos.
I was working at Quiznos. I had a Quizno's budget
living in Carson, and I never forget that keyboard came

(01:13:24):
with the floppy disc, and I just never got the
floppy disc. So anytime I made a beat, I made
the beat and I just had to like take it
and put the sounds right into my computer. But before that,
I was making beats on the PlayStation uh in TV
music generator WO.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
I heard that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
That's when Son Weeds started making beats, said too, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
A lot of metro booming, a lot of the artists,
a lot of producers, because it was like we came
up where producers before my generation came up to where
it's like, you're not even a serious producer if you
don't got no hardware. A lot of us came up
where it was like, this is when the hardwares were
self aware of themselves, the companies, and they were like,
we can start taxing now, especially when you got scratch
magazines and I'm seeing all the ads and I'm like,

(01:14:04):
I want it, but my mom's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Ain't fin the shelf. She ain't got the money the
shelf even working graveyard.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Then it was gonna be if you want the m
c PC back then, dog, I remember, it was gonna
be twenty five hundred dollars every bit, every bit five
hundred dollars. And that was if they had on sale.
Other than that, it was gonna be anywhere between three
thoy thirty twenty dollars. Man. And that was back then,
and I'm Jenny Man. The first drum machine I ever

(01:14:32):
got was because remember they had the little rent on programs, dads.
I remember you put me the rent turntables. I rented
a sp twelve hundred. Man, I think that things still
on my credit man, because I man I made drop off.
I had that, man, and I had that, and I

(01:14:52):
got a pre keyboard in the fore track.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Yeah see, I had a home in of mine that worked.
He worked to Lax and he started getting crazy checks
working at Lax and he was my collaborator. Shout out
to my guy John. When I was living in Carson,
he would he want. He was like, man, I'm gonna
get your MPC.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I was like, for real.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I was like, man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I sat there with it and I was like, I
don't know nobody that used this, and I was trying
to teach myself and I kind of figured out a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And I was like, I think I kind of want
to see what's up with this fl studio.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
I sold it and ended up getting to m Audio
b X e eighties or EBX eight eight, b X
eight was eighty whatever was the ones that was the
tall monitors that had so much base. My neighbor would
text me and say, Yo, that beat you working on
is hard. I said, you can hear it. He was like, yeah,
I'm upstairs. But that's what I ended up investing into

(01:15:46):
because I was like, what am I good at? I
wasn't a musician by trade. I never really had learned
finger drumm, and I was like, what am I good at?
I'm good with computers, and for me, FL Studio was like, okay,
I was on the rolling Fantom. I kind of got
a little idea how to work the keys from here.
I did the PlayStation. I kind of know how to
how to arrange in program. I took all those skills
that FL eventually our footy Loops whatever was called at

(01:16:09):
that time, and it was just a match made it
because it was like it was almost like going back
to the video game.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
Not not not to cut you off, Brope, but if
you can man walk walk us through the process of
your beat making, like from from start to finish.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
So it's crazy because I'm trying to see if I
got it on me right now, but I usually have
around me. I got a book called The Prosperous Hip
Hop Producer, and every single chapter of it is what
that process is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
It's just just the titles like the kicks and snares.
For me, now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I've done every single process I can think of, from
you know, starting with the drum, starting with the method.
He's starting with all of these different things now because
of websites like Splice, because of you know, things that
allowed me to tap into musicians that will usually be
musicians higher. My process now is I'm a sample based

(01:17:03):
producer first, and I've been that. That's what got me
all of my first placements. I can do a little
bit of keywork, I'll play my bass and all of
that stuff, but for the most part, I just love
sampling and chopping up samples so I get a sample.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Nowadays, we got royalty free.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Samples that sound almost as good as the stuff you
used to get off of vinyl, and so now I'm
using these and I'm just chopping them up. It's like that,
not having to worry about sample clearance. I throw some
drums on it, and I kind of had this thing
where I need to mix as I go, because what
I'm trying to achieve is what I call an emotional
mix before a technical mix.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I had somebody tell me one time, and they said,
never confuse your responsibilities as the scientists and as the artists.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
He said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
The problem is sometimes people think that they're being the
artist and they're actually being a overly technical scientist and
they're trying to tweak the compression settings and get attacking it.
So for me, I'm just going on to fly. Everything
is pure emotion, me just throwing pain at the wall.
After that, after I'm done being a kid, I'll be
an adult and I start mixing and organizing these ideas.

(01:18:10):
But from B to B, it really just depends on
who I'm working with. And now because I'm making beats
live on on on stream, like you know, even that's
changed my process a little bit because I know I
could have five hundred, six hundred people who squit in
AI is trying to figure out what I'm doing. It's
just it's it's a beautiful period now to to to
be making music because there's so many things you got

(01:18:30):
access to that's in software instead of you know, the
the heavy hardware sometimes so so you're an fl cap
FL studio all the way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Okay, see man, I'm just not getting to where I
got MPC. I told you I want to MPC live Jazzy,
and I'm just getting to where I do the computer
based programming. I was always a hardware guy, and I
even know me even though I still got the like
the MPK two twenty five got the pass I got
to steal my trunk.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
But you know what, these kids now, that's what I'm saying,
Like it ain't all bad with the kids because these
kids now want a physical experience because all they've known
is phone, iPad. Now they want something that feels real.
And I'm watching these kids now, who they're not good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
A lot of them they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
You know, they're not the best finger drummers, but at
least they're they're they're challenging themselves to go actually learn
an instrument, because I don't get a twisted finger drumm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
And it's learning an instrument, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
The pockets, the rhythms, the way that you space your fingers,
these are all techniques you learn when you learn the keys.
So same thing with that. I just look at these
kids now where I'm like, Dug, y'all got a school
program that'll teach you how to use the NPC. I wish, Yeah,
we were still writing up whether or not rapp was
real music to them?

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Yeah, they man. But you know what, though, the thing
is technology you have made it to where it's a
lot easier to do a lot of stuff, man, And
that's why I had to kind of get old and
get you know cause sometimes when you stuck in your ways,
you're like, man, ain't you know really making those beats
and you know whatever like that you sign you get
it done? Is it's all the same end result, you
know what I'm saying, man, But I appreciate you coming

(01:20:12):
to sit down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
With It's like, man, anytime an the invitation for real
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
And this is one of those intellects for discussions man
about like halving every once in a while, man, just
kind of talk about some real stuff, stay kind of
rooted in reality.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
It's a beautiful thing that I think that the internet
does present the opportunity to be connected because I think
that all all those platforms that that y'all takeysue with,
I'll take issue with because I look at it and
I'm like, I know we can have so much more.
And I know that one day, two hundred years from now,
it's gonna be somebody who's studying our time and they're

(01:20:52):
gonna be trying to figure out like damn the you know,
these these folks were so talented, but they less society
stop them from making music at forty because of how
it looked. So you're trying to tell me God gave
you a gift to wrap, to write. And when you
get the most wise in your life in terms of
how you use your words, the most patient, that's when

(01:21:15):
you stop talking to people. Right, That's what I'm looking
at it. I'm forty, and I'm like, I'm re energized
knowing that you know, I still got my mornings, you know,
my my psiatic nerve, my back is kicking my ass.
But I'm excited that I get to tell stories that
the twenty year old me would love to hear about.
He want to know what's up the road, and I

(01:21:36):
know if I talk to him, I'm gonna talk to
some I'm gonna talk to Hawaiian. I'm gonna talk to
somebody who's like, damn, I never had nobody really say
it like this. For those who are doing all that
what you said earlier about shaming about age, you better
pray with all the things around you, all the stuff
in your ceilings, all the stuff and your food that
you able to make it here all in one piece.
I don't take that for granted, because I've seen a

(01:21:58):
lot of people that are supposed to be here ain't
here today.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
So I salute you. I salute you both, and thank
you uh for allowing me to you know, sharing, your
sharing your platform. I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
What show YouTube channels, I know those people that want
to go check you out, you already got you got
a big ass fellow on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Curtis King TV, Curtis King TV,
Curtis King with two s's. Uh And like my audience
always say hashtag r are. My mom's name is Rochelle.
I made a goal this shire to retire my mama.
So I've been putting up content every single day, going
live almost every single day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
And uh, just running up interviews.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Tomorrow I got an interview with Daylight. I know Daylight
since I used to work at Quiznos back back way
before he became the the tattoo face Daylight. I remember
working with him at Quiznos. Uh during the night shift.
Uh in Homie Thursday's coming up on Friday. So it's
just it's it's it's a good I don't know when
it's Aaron, but I'm just saying it's a good time
right now, because with this window, with this light that's

(01:22:54):
being shine right now, because of what Kendrick did on
the West Coast, I'm not fitna be one of them
people that's gonna be sitting around and not doing nothing
about it. I want to make sure that while all
this attention is coming from the rest of the world
wanting to know about our history, I'm gonna do everything
I can to bring them, bring those voices in quiet
mind so that they can tell their stories.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
So I appreciate y'all for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
For sure, y'all make sure y'all get home me such
tax what's youw on Instagram?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Same thing at Curtis King to US's, as long as
it's to US's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
At Curtis King, Saxon is yours?

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Y'all know, go follow us up Against Chronicles podcast if
you're not already, And on that note, we are out
of here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
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