Are you really surprised Young Thug Snitched?

Eiht and Steele talk about the latest with Young Thug and a bunch of other things going on.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Man, shit, I ain't doing ship. Just got back from
the gym, getting ready for football practice.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know what I'm saying. That's about it? Oh for sure, man,
it's getting ready.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Man. You know, how did you feel when you got me,
when you got your first goal record? How did you feel?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I don't just felt like I guess, uh a notch
in the belt, so to speak, you know, to accomplish
me just to you know, I guess you know that's
the reward for selling you know, X amount of records,
And I guess every artist look for that. You know

(01:13):
what I'm saying. Every artist looks to go go to platinum.
And I'm pretty sure you know that is the goal
of a lot of artists. So it's an accomplishment if
you want to, if you want to, you know, look
at it in that way of getting your first goal
to platinum record.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
M Yeah, that's dope. Man's it's real dope. It's a
lot of stuff, you know what. I think it's crazier now, Man,
is this streaming stuff? I still don't get it. No
matter how many times I hear it, I still don't
really get it.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, you see a lot of artists really starting to
push the line on h not wanting to fuck with
the pod, I mean the stream and shit. You know
a lot of artists or thinking about doing shit on

(02:11):
their own pages or whatever. You know what I'm saying,
because that's probably your only way of accumulating all the
necessary dollars that you can accumulate. I mean stream nothing's
wrong with streaming, and especially if you are you know,

(02:32):
an artist who's first starting out or somebody that's just
trying to build their fan base.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you know, to artists that have been around probably
since the induction of hip hop and then who was
able to round to see it sustain and not fall.
And you know a lot of early eighties and nineties
artists and maybe some two thousand artists. You know, they

(03:03):
were brought up on a particular way of pushing music,
and those were physical copies, albums, promo tours, et cetera.
That was hard work, you know, to get out and
go sell, you know, over three hundred thousand records and up.

(03:24):
You know, you could sell three hundred thousand and still
get another turn around the block with the record label,
so to speak. You know, a lot of dudes, if
you didn't make a certain quota, you probably didn't see
another release. We had a lot of going around in
the early nineties. In the mid nineties too, a lot

(03:45):
of artists weren't able to sustain second or third albums
because you know, you had to use you had to
at least generated quarter million records to try to get
a turnaround.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Back then, they if you sold three hundred thousand records,
like you said, man, you know the label was making
some money, exact money. You know, they was making a
whole lot of money. Let me see, I think because
see these back then, for all the costs at everything,
all the costs, you know, the artwork, the marketing and everything.

(04:21):
Let's say they was playing five seventy five a CD,
right right. Let see, they was making some cake. Dog,
they was making some real cake. That's one point seven
million dollars though.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
They were making they were making bread. You feel me?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Oh yeah, just think about this, bro. So they get
there one point seven, but you don't get none of
that until you recoop from your twenty percent. You would
never be able to make that number. No, have you
ever recouped on the record.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I have no idea. You know. I guess you would
know if you recruited on records, if you started seeing
royalty checks. A lot of niggas wasn't seeing royalty checks.
A lot of niggas were trying to sustain off of
those advances. You know what I'm saying, Because the company,

(05:17):
because the label, would advance you anywhere between you know shit,
you can get one hundred and fifty thousand up to
a million, you know what I'm saying, depending on who
the label was and how they valued your project. A
lot of niggas eight off of those advances, because let's
face it, you really didn't see a royalty check. You

(05:37):
could sell a million records and probably didn't see but
a mention of what the label made you get me.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, they figured back then she was going to go
get you or some shows and other things that you
may have had going on. Well, speaking of people having
other stuff going on, man, the rep stuff is just
like a soap opera now and we probably relate to
the party and even speaking on this man, but this
young thug cat man who just got finished fighting the

(06:09):
hell of a battle man in the courtroom could have
went to jail for a long time because from what
I'm here, and they was down there getting it in
you know, right, he really lucky to be sitting at home.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
He got a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Man, They talking about, you know, him possibly cooperating in
there and telling on people. And the thing was, I
was talking to one of the homies. I told him,
why are you so surprised? Should we even be surprised
by all this?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, I don't know what to you know, take
of niggas courtroom cases today. Shit is just so different,
you know what I'm saying. I don't know if there's
any such thing as a code of honor or a
cold or whatever, because niggas nowadays feel like it's every

(07:03):
man for themselves, like fuck that, you know, I get
caught up in some shit. I'm gonna tell, and I'm
gonna tell what happened, and I don't give a fuck.
And that's that's just the attitude that niggas are facing
these courtroom dramas today.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, they just don't, you know. I guess one of
those things, man, where they like, I'm making too much money.
I'm not here getting paid. I'm not going to jail.
Somebody else gotta go, exactly, somebody else have to go.
The funny thing about that is, man, is that most
of these guys are really prolific so called gangster rappers,

(07:44):
the gainst the rappers of the day. But they gotta
I think these cats not all Atlanta cats can shout
out to the Atlanta homies. I know everybody in the
atl ain't with the Shenanigans. But he's starting to tell.
He's starting to talk about people, don't wear your skinny
jeans around such and such. She said, don't wear your
skinny jeans around I think the baby unless you come

(08:05):
up with some attentions. Everybody starting telling each other now,
you know, right, So it's just it's just wild, man,
And you know that's not a new thing. I think
that there been I think the gay people and hip
hop now, you know, ain't none of my business. Somebody
got something going on with you know, But it's just
one of them things right.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Right to where.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm sure it's some dudes out there, some dudes and women,
you know, women out there doing their thing. Man, shout
out to them for whatever they're standing on. But he
gave gunn a real hard time about the snitch and stuff,
and now he turns around and does the same thing. Man,
this stuff is wild. You can't make this shit up.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
You know, everybody is real big on the snitch rap
shit nowadays. You know, it's another to me, it's another
content created, you get me, it's another. It's another it's
another way to create content for motherfuckers. Because that type

(09:10):
of situation back in my days was it spoke upon heighty.
If niggas was snitching, you know, it was something that
was on the level of in you feel me. It
wasn't something that was floated in the local news like
and let's just face it, the streets is the news, right,

(09:33):
Podcasting and internet ship and all of that is the
local news nowadays. So it's popularized right now for niggas
to oh he a rat. Oh he a snitch? Oh yeah,
we gonna fuck with rats and snitches. You know it's
it's a it's a it's a worldwide epidemic of niggas
catching the rat play you give.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Me for real?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
The thing is broke.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Everybody, like you said, is looking for a way in
like it's like everything quakes back to streaming. Right, So
you want your name as how it's fish grease, no
matter what, no matter what. It is easy ease to say.
It ain't no such thing as bad publicity.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
A lot of people used to say that, you know,
whatever it is, it don't matter if it's bad, it's good.
And if you in the line like you being talked about,
then you know and you you you catching the attention
of a lot of motherfuckers. And so people used to
used to spit that into the into that into the

(10:44):
program as as you know it's good for you. You know,
it don't matter if it's bad or good. Everyone is talking.
So shit, we've done our job because we're on the
tongues of all these motherfuckers across the board. So so
what so what the allegation is, But we are in

(11:08):
the business of entertaining and social media and selling records
or selling movies or whatever. So shit, we're in motherfucker's mouse.
So it don't matter whether they talking about you a
rat or snitch, or whether they saying you in some
conspiracy or that got caught up. You know what I'm saying.

(11:30):
Fuck it, the jail shit has passed. We're beyond that.
So now it's just popular for anything anything that you're
finna do on your next release of a record or
some clothes or a tour or being in a movie.
Motherfucker's gonna go see that shit or buy it just

(11:51):
because they're curious to see what the rack or the
snitch has has spoken about you.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So actually six y nine wanted to come on the show,
which we have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's as.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Like I would have a problem with it because how
people look at us as far as who we are
and what we represent. And I'm not one to feel
like we gotta do ship to be noticed by people,

(12:30):
just just like I felt when I was. When I
make my records, I make records for people that I
think respect my ship and who want to hear what
I'm what I'm professing or what I'm trying to put
out there. So I don't want to do anything that
would offend people who love my music. That's for I

(12:53):
wouldn't want to have been fans who are or or
really engage with the show about the content we put
out and how we are directed. I wouldn't want them
to leave a bad taste in they mouth just because
I think bringing on a nigga like that will raise

(13:14):
our numbers and ship like that. Yeah, but then you
might gain a few, but you're definitely gonna lose a few.
And like I said, respect is everything. So when you
got respect from people that you know, admire what you do.
As far as what we're trying to profess, I don't
think that I would. Oh, I'd be like, nah, man,

(13:34):
we don't need that motherfucker. There's other There's there's a
million other places he can go with his story.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I don't think, you know, and I don't even know
that that dude man, that young man saw to him
and what do he do? You know, he had his run,
he was doing this thing for a while. My thing
is this right. And I know you have some people
that may say, well, y'all had samity the bull on
almost look at sam the bull is a historical figure.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Though, yeah, I looked at Samy the Bulls as something
people wanted to, people were interested in, you know, we
were interested in that.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I was.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Then that's on the line of what we deal with.
You know, he was considered a gangster in his round,
and so we tried to you know, we tried to
advocate for niggas who've walked those difficult lifestyles. You know,
whether it was whether a nigga was a rapper or
whether he was a motherfucking business motherfucker now or whether

(14:45):
you know what I'm saying. If a nigga walked that
motherfucking fucked up lifestyle because he had to, and then
he turned around and trying to do something on the
scale of either warning motherfuckers about what he went through
or trying to educate motherfuckers about how life was, then
that's that's what we advocate for. I'm not you know,

(15:08):
what's the advocation for a nigga who you know, everybody
considered was you know, bullshit and all the drama and
you know all that. I mean, we got niggas like
that every day. You feel me, there's not too many
niggas that come around like Sandy the Bull. You get me,

(15:31):
there's a there's a Takashi sixty nine around every other corner.
You get me, you give me Sandy. You know a
lot of niggas will say, oh, I'm a fit show
and I'm this and I'm that. But you know, ship
everything comes with with the with the price and a

(15:52):
walk of self dignity.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Man.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Even if you gain you know, selling dope, it's just
a certain way that you supposed to carry yourself. And
if you call yourself a real nigga, then funny shit,
you just don't stand for you get it. I'm not
gonna stand for dressing up like no motherfucking clown and
color for this and that to a to to gain

(16:19):
status as an artist nig I'm gonna be true to
myself and what I'm professing. You getting me, or you
can get all these little kids and you can get
all these people going crazy over this and that.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
No, man, I got dignity to myself. So we're gonna
keep it like this or I'm gonna just keep it pushing. Yeah,
you always kind of stuck to the script on your
new album, How Far Are You is you almost.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Done with it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I got about eight more songs to finish up. I've
got un recorded, probably about twenties, about twenty five songs.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Put them all out. I don't know, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I like to get shit finished up and then you know,
sit around and bang it for a couple of days
and then go, yeah, let's keep this. Let's not keep this,
or let's keep it all. That's how I do. You know,
once everything is finished, and I can put on a
set of headphones and smoke me a couple of blunts,

(17:26):
and you know, I sit up till two, three four
in the morning just listening to shit over and over
and over, and then go, okay, this working, this working.
I don't really like this shit too much, you know.
So that's how I'm trying to come up with shit.
Oh yeah, so you just sit up in there and
vibe out on your stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's really that's really a way of doing stuff, kind
of like has anybody else ever been involved in that
process with you?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Usually, you know, I record facts. You know, if if
you if you've heard from any producer or any nigga
that recorded me, they'll tell you I get done fast.
I can do about eight nine songs in the night
I recorded. You have read the spot before. Yeah, so

(18:14):
you know I could do one song in about fifteen minutes,
and that's motherfucking laying the versus laying the hooks, the
ad libs, the intro. You know, I could get a
song done in about fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
So you know what that probably comes from the era
back then, Man, studio time used to be so high. Man,
you probably learned how to get successful. I learned how
to get fast. I would have musta written before I
went in.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, yeah, there was always a good process for me because,
like you said, back then, you know, shit was costly.
You know, there wasn't you know, the home studio era
hadn't cracked yet. A few niggas had home studios and
they were all reproduction shits. So yeah, and you can

(19:04):
still lay a dirty verse or whatever. But at the
end of the day, they finished still take the ship
up to the big studios, you know, and so you
might as well do it all at once. So I
kind of prided myself on trying to get shit done quick.
So basically like a like an athlete do, even though

(19:28):
you not at practice or you not in the game,
I still conditioned on on off days, which means I
took music home. I took beats home, and I basically
just got them all done while I'm at the house,
even before I would go to slip house and do

(19:50):
pre protection recording. So I would just write at home,
you know. And I don't know niggas, you know, freestyle
or do what they they do, and you know, I
could wrap in freestyle, but I always wanted to tell stories,
and I thought nothing was better than that than like

(20:12):
a journalist writing shit down. That way, you can come
up with different contexts that explains your situation a little
bit more graphically than just trying to come off the
head with some shit.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So how long how long did it take you to
do that because you said you were broach of stuff?
Or how long did it take you this in that
record I.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Just sent you?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I shit, I finished the record you sent me shit.
I was writing the verse while we was on the
phone talking about the little you know, the little okay,
So by times I had already written the verse because
remember at first, I was like, I'm not gonna use
it because you know, and then even while I was

(20:58):
telling myself I'm not gonna use it, I was already.
I was already writing to it, even though I was
saying I wasn't gonna use it, because that's what I do.
I get a beat. It don't matter if I think
I'm gonna use it or not. It might be appealing
to the next man's ear.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I've done a lot of shit like that to where
I've recorded ship and be like it's all right, and
then niggas are come and say, nigga, that motherfucker fire,
and I'm my own worst critic. I'll be like, I
know if I like that ship, and you know.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
One day, because you probably got so many and you
got all your records on deck, don't you. Yeah, you
know what you should do one day? You should do
it like nah, it's dead and throughout a dislike of
all your like B sides kind of like you know,
you're cutting room ship.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, I try to. I try to.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I've saved you know, their songs I have that I've
recorded that I haven't put out, and then you go
back and listen to it and you be like, shit,
people put that ship out like it's it's still cool,
Like anything is is always quality when I do it, because,
like I said, still what might be not appealing to

(22:15):
my ear might be the biggest thing for the fan
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's like that man Kanye West passed on, not Kanye West,
but Jeezy passed on.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Can't tell me nothing right, So I try not to
pass on like Nigga send me beats unless and there.
And then another thing about me is I got to
I gotta fill the ship from when it first come on.
That's how I can tell if it's for me. If

(22:49):
it don't make me rewind it three or four times,
then I'm probably not going to fuck with it. And
then I can hear the ship the minute it started
coming on, and drums ain't got to kick in or
the bassline or nothing. I could just hear it from
the minute it start, and I can tell right then
and there or this ain't gonna be something my fuck

(23:10):
with ye build ups. I like build ups, but I
just like good ship, you know. And not to say
beat production or beats ain't good, but I just like
ship that fits my my profile. I don't like to
have to explain what type of music it is that

(23:34):
I need to be able to go off on. Yeah,
and the producers should feel it, because yeah, I produ
who either knows my history or have listened to some
of my newer ship or you know, and then can
send me ship and I and the nigga send me

(23:55):
ten beats, and out of ten beats, I can go, oh,
seven of these motherfuckers. That's the type of motherfuckers I
fuck with. So anytime I find somebody like that, I'm
trying to stay fucking with them for as long as
I can, because you know, sometimes niggas their careers can
do just what you know intended. Motherfucker, hear them on

(24:18):
your shit, on some little loco independence shit and go, man,
this nigga wore and you know, next thing you know,
he's producing for big names and shit. That's howle you
put for hand on. Yeah, that's how shit gets started today.
You know, back in the days, you used to have
to pay a nigga one hundred thousand for a beat,

(24:39):
and you know, it's the age of you know, everybody's
producing and everybody's rapping, and you know, like the room
is crowded, so it's not like you can sit in
there on a loan throne and be like, oh, yeah,
I want a hundred thousand on my beat. Some niggas can,

(25:02):
but then there's there's five hundred other niggas in the
room with beats just as great, and then niggas telling
you all, fuck with me. You can have this, motherfucker.
Just give me the credit and give me my pugnishing
and shit.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I feel like the Day's era eight. That's what you
almost gotta do. You gotta just give people like your
homies like me, I've made beats, but I ain't been
I hadn't been making beats for a long time, right,
but I always kept my blade shark right right. But
that was just me just going home, just doing some
drums and just standing up and down and really just listening.

(25:38):
Because the thing in hip hop that changed it sounds
never changed, you know, they do a little bit with
hot kind of changed a little bit certain sense and
stuff like that, But drums, I think drums change up.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
You feel me like you can have some shit like.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
You gotta kind of listen to what people is doing
out like I remember certain like certain snares are timeless,
like eight to Wait is just the timeless thing that's
not whoever could play out.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
The eight O eight is what of those like you said,
it's timeless.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
You always had a way.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I was bred off at eight o eight. My nigga
DJ slipped, he was an eight oh eight master, So
it was beautiful in in songs when that extra big
ass boom come in and uh, you know, we were
very heavy on the eighth eight kick and ship.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Ya should always had beating and yo should always knock.
I'm gonna tell you who kind of like got me
with eight o eight man was mister Mixed. Mister Mix
taught me because I got some booming ass stuff, right,
I got this one. I'm about to send you man
as one of them. I actually got some crazy bass stuff, right.
You know, they got like real trunk. We know we

(26:56):
come from the app the era, right. I hear a
lot of kids now and they be having a knock
and beat, right, But I listened they ate the weights
and not be like they're still a rookie because they
just got they aid to wait by itself, right. A
lot of people don't know like and I'm pretty sure
slip and tell you you have to kind of like
with it either way. You gotta count like without turning

(27:16):
this into a production show. You gotta do some shit
to it. You feel me right, because you want that
ship to world when it hit you. Ever hear some
people's weight is something like a base like it ain't
beating like it's supposed to, but you put on something
like you put it like when you listen to like
Little John Ship, his ship was slapping, This shit was smacking.

(27:38):
You feel them, you feel me. It's just that feel, right.
I think you just got to add you from trunk
ratherless man still count. I think that's why Dre's last
album's album, last album Drean Snoop did. That's why I
don't think it was received that well, listening like it
was just all me and in trouble count. Hip hop
is about the base man.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, you can get you know, nice with your production
as far as you know, if you want to step
away from the you know, the foundation of boom back
sound or the eight h eight kick sound, you know,

(28:18):
listen to Nick you know, you can listen to the Kendricks.
You can listen to you Know, you can listen to
the Jay Rocks, you can listen to the Ygs, or
you can listen to a lot of these newer artists,
the NBA Young Boys and all those dudes down South

(28:39):
and they get you know, musical with some of the ship.
Now they come with you know, hard kick shit that
we're used to. But you know, it's just the way
that you have to be able to fit certain shit.
You get me. Sometimes you can't. You can't some times

(29:00):
you're trying to fit a square through a circle. You
feel me, it's just not gonna work. I don't give
a fuck how pretty it look or how you know,
Oh my god, you got you know, musical harmonicas and orchestras,
and you got just big building sounds and shit. But sometimes,

(29:22):
like I said, the ship looked pretty, but it's still
a square you're trying to fit in a circle hole,
and it's just you know, sometimes we just was sticking
with it. Sometimes we just gotta stick with the regular
circle fitting in the circle hole you go with.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Shoot a layup dog, you know what.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know what One of the dopest tracks of all
time to me was Explosive was probably my favorite track
that I heard them dudes on like over there, you
know tray and all them right. Well, actually my boy
Christal Glove did that beat. Shout to Christal Glove. But
it was just a kick, a snare, a bass and

(30:01):
A and a guitarist drump.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
My ship was the difference. Difference. That ship was simple
but just bang.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Hey, you kill some ship like that, Yeah, that's my
type of ship. If I'm gonna do some fast up tempo,
they gotta be that type of ship. You know, niggas
be trying to overdo it, that's all. And I understand,
you know when you got artists like Ken, Drinke and Drake,
and you got the Rick Ross's and you got the

(30:37):
clips new ship and you listen to motherfuckers and you know,
you got you know, their ship is you know, you
don't listen to some of their music and go, oh,
this is the typical ship. Like I'm in the Homeleies
living room and he made a beat and it's just simple.
And some of the ship is built on a gang

(30:58):
of platforms and ship. But yeah, you know what, to
a lot of people times, sometimes the niggas needs simplicity.
Simplicity works out, you know, Yeah, Simplicity works with a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah. I try to give people.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I try to give artists a full course meal, right,
Like I think I got certain signature stuff I do, right,
But for the most part, I like to give people
a full serving. Like sometimes I go theatrical and build
some stuff up. That's when I might bring my string
duty in and have him do some live cinematic shit,
you know. But when I do do that, I'm always

(31:36):
trying to perfect it, Like you not go here, Like
I'm just real funny about stuff, like even the keys, right, Like,
when I want a certain build up or something, I
may go get a real keyboard player, right like, so
we could play that on a real key I think
all that makes a difference. Like when you listen to
shit that we just did, you could tell it's a
lot of thought that goes into that, you feel me,

(31:58):
because it sounds almost like a movie. We setting up
a movie. You remember I told you I always want
to hear you over some Justice League type of stuff. Yeah,
because I always thought that would have been really interesting.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Man. I think you just got to go there.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's the fun side to me of really, of really
putting the record together and producing it right, figuring out, okay,
we go put this right here, and I want you
to come here and smash you feel me, just for
like a straight sixteen, right. I think that's the fun
of this stuff. But then sometimes you got to have
the sense, like you said, sometimes it don't require all that, man,
Sometimes it just me a kick and the snare and

(32:33):
the string.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
And that's it right there. Some like I said, simplicity
works for you know a lot of shit. It just
works for some people. You know, as far as their
music is concerned. You can capture a big audience with
with with some with the simplest sounds. But it just

(32:58):
gotta be good, you know. You know who.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I used to see you all the time. I used
to always see Warren z up. And you remember, Phil,
You stayed in North Beach for minute, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I didn't stay in North Long Beach, but I had
a lot of people that stayed in North So I
was in North Long Beach probably.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't know why niggas swerp it down. I got
a couple of homies to swerve it down. They lived
by you in North Lone Beach. That's that's crazy, you
because you was probably over there so much.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I was over there.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I was. I was in North Long Beach a lot.
My sister lived in North Lone Beach. A lot of
my people's damn used to live in North Long Beach.
So it was. I used to be there every day.
At one point, at one point in town, I used
to drive from Corona and I would just go sit

(33:51):
up at my sister house or at the Homis house
all day because nobody else lived out where I lived.
So and and I was still, like I said, I
was still gravitating to the city. You know, I had
matured enough to learn that sit your ass home. That's
what you got it for. You got that piece out there.

(34:14):
But yeah, at one point I was in North Long
Beach every day.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
You remember the Velvet Underground. There was a record store
in Atlantic called the Velvet Underground, right by the ninety
nine cents Store, probably not anyway, it was a record
store over there, man, a vinyl record store. I used
to see Worryings in there all.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
The time, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's when they had records for like twenty five cent
a dollar two dollars.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
He would walk in there and just be grabbing stuff,
and I would be in there grabbing stuff too, right.
And it was just a process, man, because you really,
like you used to really have to do some shit.
Now that shit is kind of automated for you, you know.
And I embrace the technology I ain't want of them
dudes to sit up and say, oh, man, well you
know what, we gotta go do it like this.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
They don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I went from having to have a whole like racks
full of equipment, man, and now all that stuff is
in my laptop. I got more sounds from this drive
sitting next to me than I ever.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yes, like you said, a lot of shit is inaccessible
now with the Internet and AI and all of that shit,
A lot of shit is easy to gather up nowadays
than they used to be.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Like you said, music ain't gonna have more soul though
to it? Why should I tell you?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah? It's I don't know if somebody can even you know,
asks what's the state of.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Hip hop?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
And then I don't even know if I want to
say that, but what is the state of reality music
right now?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I al would say, like, like, it's Kendrick reality music. No,
he talked about some but Kender to me is more.
People call him a conscious rapper. I think he definitely.
I think he definitely got a little bit of gangster
in him. I think it's a certain gangs to his music.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
And then you know, then you have you know what
I like to call rich rap you get me. Yeah,
you know, when everything is spoken upon the wealth that
you have accumulated, and not that it's wrong that you know,

(36:39):
some people, I guess when you come from nothing, you
want to floss your wealth, you know. But I don't know.
It's just a difference between how certain niggas live their situations,
and it's that is that considered reality as far as

(37:06):
you know, when you're trying to tell tales of the
neighborhood or struggles or you know, just trying to get
ahead and poverty, and you know, there's still a lot
of people out here that's faced with the uphill battles.
And you know, some people incorporate that in their music
or some people just make you know, neighborhood music, neighbor

(37:30):
you know, reality music about the struggle. And then there's
niggas who you know, claim they came from the struggle.
But now I want to glorify my wealth. Is that
the structure of where hip hop has taken us to.

(37:51):
Now you have a resurgence of you know, older generational
m seeds who are stepping back up to stepping back
in the battle's box. So the same m.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Hmm, I think what it is, man, is people still
have that in the bug inside of them to want
to compete, right, They want to wrap right, You start
rapping for a reason unless something wrong with you. I
don't know too many people that started rapping just for
the come up part of it. I think they found
something they was dope at and just start, you know,
kind of as they got involved and got doper and stuff,

(38:29):
it became part of their lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
You feel what I'm saying, right, I.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Mean, money is the roote, and you know it can change.
It can change you when you start collecting. You know,
when your wallet start getting a little fatter and you
are able to pull up, you know, but sometimes you know,

(38:58):
it takes maturity to get to the point to where
you rather you rather you rather stack your wealth than flossy.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Get this levels to it, though, right, this levels to it.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You know. I haven't seen Kendrick Man. And maybe last
time I saw him we was the Interscoptes recording studio, huh,
and we was up there just really chopping it up.
He's still the same dude, right, I'm pretty sure ain't
much change. He's definitely rich now, but he stayed who
he is. Man He's still the same dude like you

(39:38):
talk to him. He's still a regular dude, right, And
I think most of those guys I tell you what,
have changed his access. And I think it has a
change for you know, for a certain thing, like you
know whereas and I got Dot's number and I ain't
never even tried to call him.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
You know, do you think being don did in a
different type of MC and person allows him to not
want to jump to what a lot of artists do
when they become successful, you know, or see nigga at

(40:15):
the club throwing out money. We don't see you know,
the braggadoshes, you know my G five jet, my two
new made backs. You know we eat now that mister Chiles,
or or at the at the Prime Statehouse, or you
know we we on the vacation yacht with you know,

(40:38):
with you you know, because niggas, a lot of niggas
start off with the struggle, right. A lot of niggas
who start their careers who get on that level, started
their careers with I'm a nigga like you in the struggle.
I'm a struggler like you.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Well, you know it's hard to stay there though, checked
this up right, when I first met that dude, dude,
he was eating cheese burgers, man and Louis chickens, Louis Burger,
you know, with that Louisiana chicken and Louis Burger and stuff.
You know that dude is wealthy now you feel me,
So I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
But it hasn't changed the way he thought from when
he first started grabbing the mic.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Oh no, And I'm pretty sure he's still And I'm
pretty sure he loved a rap because I.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Like, like, like like he got a billion dollars, but
he don't talk about I got a billion day.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
He don't show about no money.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
There was something there's there's a lot of artists who
start off with I'm in the struggle like you, and
I'm pome pretty stricten and my mama and the homeiets this,
and then they make a billion dollars and the next thing,
you know, it's, oh, it's all about we popping, you know,

(41:59):
five thousand bottle of the liquor and Nigga there is.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
That's where they are.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So they're there there what braggadocious flossters and they've always
dreamed of that. But unfortunately, you know, in the beginning
cause niggas who niggas if you are, if you're a
og hustler from the gate, you know what I'm saying,
And you bringing in big weight a lot of niggas,

(42:33):
didn't you know that? That's that's what it is. From
from the gate. You gonna always know I had money.
But if you was a struggling nigga like a lot
of motherfuckers and going to a nine to five or
trying to make ends meet, and all you doing is
flipping little packs and you ain't whatever whatever, and your
struggle as being like a lot of motherfuckers, why do

(42:56):
you feel like, Okay, you've made a million two million
off a rap and now you want to act like
you always was walking around in for coach and pulling
up with in yachts and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Shit just confused. It's it's who people are for real. Like,
when you don't have ship, you can't be an asshold
of nobody because ain't nobody gonna tolerate your bullshit? Right,
But when you start getting money and influence people who
always was like that, they gonna turn that way. They
can't avoid it, right because it's just in them now

(43:29):
before they was broke they couldn't talk no shit like
get the fuck out with the bullshit, broke motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
But now.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
They didn't talk that ship when they was broke, when
they when they was broke and was talking the same
ship that we all talk as being broke struggling and
trying to survive. But then, nigga, you you go and
do something and I'm I'm nigga, I don't need ship.
I'm glad for your come up because you was able

(43:58):
to do that. But don't act like and don't start
talking like your whole life has been motherfucking private planes
and motherfucking bit Lee coops and shit like that. Nigga.
You know, don't forget there's a gang of niggas over here. No,

(44:18):
when you had holes in your son, tell you now.
I'm gonna tell you now.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
When Top was in my league, Top was in my
Top's kids, Man was in our league Man for a
few years.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Right, they was there.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I would say, man, because I was there with Top
when Top was just you know, they was TD still,
but they wasn't quite the household name that they had become, right,
so his kids was kind of come up in the league.
I'm gonna tell you when they got money and stuff. Man,
they couldn't do it. They couldn't stay there no more.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I remember somebody a broken top wife car and he
called me to talk about man, you let somebody rob
my wife? And you know we got two hundred some
parents out there. I didn't have a think, but I
think because he bigger man, I'm top dog, big dog now, man,
he just couldn't stay dog, you know, outside, and he
moved and stuff. It's just man stuff flipping things. Because

(45:10):
the thing is everybody changed. Now his kids can get
They already got everything they want, but now it's magnified.
They lived in this big, beautiful house and the stuff
is far right. It ain't as far before. He was
just right over the you know, he was right down
to ninety one. But now it's a trip right. So
he couldn't stay not because it got flossy, but because
it got different. As a tension comes on the person,

(45:32):
there's certain stuff that they can't.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Do no more.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Bro Oh, I understand that. But my thing is, you
don't just because you upgrade your housing and upgrade your
motherfucking uh, you know, your status, do you change who
you are or do you remain the same motherfuckers. I'm

(45:56):
just stay in the bigger house now. I just staying
I'm not gonna approach motherfuckers who've known me from day
one with the attitude like I'm the president of the
United States now. And it's all like you said, some
niggas may be broke as a motherfucker and poverty stricken

(46:20):
and living in in the rundown one bedroom crib, and
they still have the attitude like, Nigga, I'm gonna be
the biggest motherfucker on the planet.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
And some niggas that attitude, then Nigga, let motherfuckers know.
And see, that's the thing right there, right the one
thing that motherfuckers need to remember, the eight is when
we lay down that casket at the end of our life, man,
and we facing the turnity and going through judgment. All
that money, all that prestige, all the women, all the

(46:52):
things that you had on earth that you pretty much
worshiped and love and everything, none of that is gonna
matter because you and the that died there was a
hobo and died penniless. Y'all the same now, y'all too
dead people facing the turnity about to get judged, right,
So I think, man, that it's important for people to
realize that just because you got a few more dollars

(47:13):
than somebody, man, or just because you blessed with certain things, Man,
it don't make you no different than nobody else. I
know it may seem that way, and you know that's
because we have this thing man nowadays, to where we
worship people, right. You know, it's almost like people worship
you got guys, you got girls that they look for

(47:33):
the cat that got the bag. They looked for the
dude that got a certain amount of notoriety. Right because
everybody from the its Top Knox dying piece, Instagram model
to the bus that brought the work at Taco Bell
think they're worthy of being taken care of for the
rest of their life by some nigga. All of them
had that fantasy, that prince charmy fantasy, somebody is gonna

(47:56):
come and rescue me one day.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
And to the reality that they the butter start.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Uh huh. They better take that nigga that got the
job out the friend zone. Man, they get with him,
because that nigga is selling dope. Ain't gonna have nothing
but problems for you. You gonna be in out of penitentiary.
You're gonna probably beat you up. You gonna be tearing
your stuff up. You're gonna give you a gang of
kids and ain't gonna be around you. Better shake that,
dude and get with the square because I'm gonna tell

(48:23):
you all the squares, our new eight in high school
and then when we were young, them dudes is all
filthy now.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I mean, I always said, and I'll say it again
that it's okay to be normal. Everything ain't for everybody.
I played football up until high school, but I knew
I wasn't gonna be no NFL football player. And you

(48:54):
know reality, So you know, being normal, being books, smart,
going to school, getting good grades, going to college. There's
a lot of people in this world right now that
walks the normal walk. If you're advanced, if you're advanced

(49:15):
in the brain and you're able to, you know, advance
in school and advance in college and take steps to
where you can secure your financial future, that's great, you
feel me. And then there's some motherfuckers who don't end

(49:36):
up working at the grocery stores, and there's people gonna
end up working at the airports doing the luggage. There's
people gonna end up working at the ore refineries, and
then we're gonna have doctors and lawyers and people who
invent shit and every Like I said, everybody don't have
to do wherever they.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Can get it in there.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
And you know it's crazy, man. This is what I
would telling young people that do listen to the show.
So everybody can't go to college, right, everybody?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Not.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
College is not for everybody. But I'm gonna tell you
what I am a fan of. I'm a fan of
them trade schools, man, where you could learn how to
become a plumber. As a primage, you learn how to
go be a an electrician, to where you can go
learn how to do stuff. I think those good jobs, man.
Some of them cats man made two or three thousand
dollars a week. My homeboy to do air conditioning dog

(50:25):
that nigga made twenty seven hundred dollars a week. Eight
that's not bad money.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
There's a kid I coached that's you know, was on
my son's team. Great kid. He would come over spend
the nights week during the week when they all went
to school together. Great kid played hell of a football. Unfortunately,
like you said, a lot of kids don't get offers
to go to college to play the game of their dream.

(50:54):
You know, shit that they've been playing since they were
five years old. For some senior in high school, is
it No, it don't matter if you played.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Right, you get me.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Some kids don't even make it out of Pop Warner.
So great young man went off, knew he wasn't going
to college to play football, got into the workforce construction.
Shit that motherfucker is Karan speaks on him all the time.
You know, tell me this time me that he worked

(51:33):
and he's this, and he got two cars and you know,
money saved up, just like another one of my one
of my assistant sons. They he have four. You know,
I coached one of I coached one of his middle
sons whole football career. But his two older sons we're beast,

(51:56):
you know, playing football. We're beast. You just knew they
were going to college to play football. You know, when
you don't get an offer, you take another route. Motherfucking kids.
A firefighter works on the motherfucking place where the planes
fly out, you know, saving grip, you know, taking trips

(52:20):
to Europe and shit like that. Sometimes you have to
take another route in your life.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
You feel me U.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Just like with myself, if if if God didn't give
me the ability to be able to create songs, not
just rap, but the ability to create songs and do
shit like the movies and the voice over ships for
the video games and now the podcasts and being able

(52:51):
to still go on the road and do shows. There
would have been choices you have to make. Now you're
gonna gang bang and sell and go to prison, or
you're gonna go to a trade school and learn how
to you know, do some shit, or go to the
oil refinery, or or hit up your dad. Your dad
works for General Motors on as simply, you definitely probably

(53:15):
got in there, you know what I'm saying. So it's
just choices you have to make when you come to
that mother's fucking fork in the road, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Ma Chic.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
And I'm a firm component man of going to a
trade school, man of learning with trade man, or even
going to go be an all over cannon. I remember
they had the shop classes when I was coming up,
when I was in school. I don't know if they
got those no more. But you had homies who was
in the car man who had to take apart motors
and all kinds of other stuff, man, and then the
cast is making bread.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Now, dude, it's all kinds of ways. Man.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I think that sometimes America has this habit man of
sensationalize and everything.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
So if you're a rapper, they make it look like
so sensational, right, if you were asking, they make it
look so sensational, like everybody is rich and the truth feels. Man,
Most rappers make mediocre livings if you can make the ones,
you know.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
The middle class rappers. They have middle class rappers.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
There's a lot of niggas who had albums, you know
what I'm saying, who maybe only got that one spin
around the block and thus meant, Okay, I ain't making
no money off of music.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You get me.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
So it's got to be something that I can get into,
you feel me. It all depends on how prideful you
are about you know that that run you had. Like
I said, some of us can thank God that we're
able to what I like to say, we just we

(54:57):
can ride the wave. You get me to save like, like,
I know what's coming from Brand Nubian. He got a
job in the hospital. He probably that stuff on his Instagram.
You know, people he going to work, you have to, like,
I don't understand it, because people will ridicule you, especially

(55:22):
a former artist or star or anyone that had something
to do with entertainment. And it don't matter how long
or short your run was. If it was to the
point to where people knew who you were, then you

(55:42):
can't fall from grace dignity, you know, with dignity because
people won't let you because you could just be a
regular motherfucker that's trying to get along in life. And
you know, I got kids to feed and the bills
to pay, and people will ridicule you for being a
nigga usual, Well didn't you didn't you have a record

(56:06):
or did you have me out? And what you're doing
working at the gas station or what you're doing working
at you know, you.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Know, do you know that the adage? What's the adage?
I just had them a tip of my tongue. But
people like seeing stars fall from Greece kind of right.
People have people's you know, not all people. Some people
don't have this agenda to where if they see somebody

(56:33):
in the same position as them now, it's almost like
they feel it's their job to ridicule them.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Like like feeling like, Okay, I put out a couple
of records. They were successful, but then the run stopped. Okay,
so now you want to make fun of me because
I gotta get up and do what you do every day.
You every day, you gotta get up right, punch a
clock or work somewhere for eight to twelve hours and

(57:04):
you come home and you get a paycheck. But because
I put out a couple of records, and now that
I have to, you know, grow up and put my
like they say, you got to put them big boy
draws on, and you know, I not unless I'm gonna
go do some underworld shit. Now, you can always make
that choice or start selling dope and going.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You know what that's like.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
It's not like you ain't made plenty of connections over
your years of going to different states and meeting different niggas,
and you know, if you've had a you know, mid
successful career, but you just have to make that choice
and then.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
So but it's a bunch of people, you know what,
it's a lot of people obviously that go that route, right.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, because it's hard. It's hard, and I know niggas
like that today, right, niggas maybe had a brief run
or you go been trying and trying and career never
just took off, you know, and you telling, motherfucker, well,
maybe this shit ain't for you, my nigga, especially if

(58:15):
you look up and we the age we are down.
You still trying and you still ain't done nothing significant.
Maybe you need to go, you know, get you a
job at the hospital, or go drive for Amazon. Man,
let's niggas be like, fuck that, I can't do that.

(58:36):
Ship I can't.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I'm glad you still get shows and ship through because
I couldn't see you working at the mother for the
ball and see that's a lot of motherfucker You would
just have to me. I would try to, you know,
start my own business or something like that.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
You know, I would try to take the resources from
the motherfuckers that I've met over the years, and a.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Lot of homies do that.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
A lot of home He's got trucking businesses, you know,
the only fiend I know, the holy fiend, he drive trucks.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
He got a trucking business. That's something I would have done.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I would have went out here, use some of my
rap resources that I had left when I bought me
a truck and got on the road and built that up.
And you know, you just have to come up with ideas. Man,
if you want to.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
See you being I can see you being a truck driver. Man,
I'm not gonna lie. My father in law man drove trucks.
Not my father in law. My stepdad drove trucks man
for like forty years.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Right. I wish that I would have learned that trade, man,
I would I would have loved to do that. Man.
Can you've actually just going to go be out in
that open road?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Man?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It was a as a as a kid, you know,
traveling across country with your family to go to family reunions.
We always drove, and so I was always talkated when
we would pull up at truck stops and you see
the diesels with all the lights and ship niggas had
they shit fan see it painted and all that shit.

(01:00:04):
And there was always a fascination you know that getting
a diesel, even as a young nigga for diesel, Nigga,
I tell you, I tell my peoples all the time.
Right now, like maybe down the road a couple of years,
we might have to invest and get them some truck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Man. I'm thinking about eight. Real.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
My wife's family is into that, right, and they all
do very well, bro is it? They all you know,
six figure they're doing good, you know what I mean.
They're not no podcasters, They're not no thing. Them dudes
making one hundred and fifty undred, sixty thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Years a lot of work. It keeps you away from
your peoples. But you gotta imagine if if if you
got a significant other or a homey that's real, your
peoples and they retired or you whatever. Man, you got
company on the road, man you everywhere, it don't matter. Shit.

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It ain't like you got young kids at home and
gotta be around for schooling and all of that. And
so it could be very lucrative if you're able to
stay out on the road for a significant amount of town.
And if you, like you said, if you're the type
of person who are used to traveling, you know, like
I am. I'm used to being in different states every

(01:01:23):
other weekend and shit like that. So just being out
on the road, you know the ins and outs. You
feel me, You know that the thing is man you
by you, by yourself. Have you ever been inside of
one of those trucks?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah? Man, thew motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Man, my step pops, Man, Pop said this truck man,
and where you go up in there? You got the bed.
It's a TV up and there. I'm talking about the
TV like he got a wall you around, or DVD
players and all that stuff. Man, it's a real crib.
You know this is over there, it's a profrigerator. I'm like, man,

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because they told me. You know, my mom used to
go and they was like, well, we're cooking us a steak.
I'm like, Mama, where you at y'all got a room? No,
we cooking a steak on the truck.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Man. It's about that time. What time you got to
go to prexict today? When I'm getting ready to add
to practice in about thirty minutes. Man, we're gearing up
for our first game this week. We got a Marietta
Broncos this Saturday at seven pm. So we got us
a real night game for my boys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You're all out there, man, in the in the Empire?
What city is that? In a Corona?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Be in Corona at Santiago High School, Corona.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Man, If y'all want to go see some good football
and watch my boy eight, what is you know? I
ain't gonna say it's his coaching debut because he's a
veteran coaching right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
We'll go check. I'm in coaching for a while, so
I went, I'm back at it, and uh, you know,
we just have to have some fun. Make sure these
boys have a good time before they get ready to
go to high school. Learn some shit, be disciplined, learn
some uh you know, some some some teammates ship and

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and and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Man. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Well, that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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