December 31, 2024 • 20 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace of the planet, Charlamagne the god here and as
we come closer the closing out this year, I just
want to say thank you for tuning into the Black
Effect Podcast Network. There have been so many great moments
over the past year. Take a listen to some of
those captivating moments in this special best of episode.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
But all right, job.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All across the USC Compton watch Bank to La come
on to California yesday.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
From out in the valley.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
We represent that Keller County.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So if you're keeping it real on your side of
your town, you're tuning into gangst the Chronicles, the Conic Goals.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How we go if I lie my notes a girl
like Pinocchio, We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing
but the Chosanks.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
The Chronic Goals.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
This is not your average shows.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You're now tuned into the real MC eight Big Stairs,
the Streets.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hello, Welcome to Against the Chronicles podcast, the production of
iHeart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you
download the iHeart app and subscribe to Against the Chronicles
For my Apple users, hit the Purple Michael your front screen.
Subscribed Against the Chronicles, leave of five star rating and comment,
(01:15):
we'd like to welcome you to another episode Against the
Chronicles podcast. It's your boy big Steal along with Yeah,
you know, I think we got something going right now.
Last week we had the homely x rated on and
he need your time behind the lyrics and this song
a lot of times you know behind you know, epistol
on the album covering lyrics. Yeah, really no other type
(01:37):
of evidence, yeah foul. And this week we got the
homie SD tiny due in the building.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
That's sir, honored man, pleasure that man, super honored man
in the miss elections. Bro, this is this is dope man,
especially from nigga from Dago.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I don't know about legends plural.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Yeah, God damn that's big bro man, God damn fucking
my little booze most warnted ass nigga, My god. But yeah,
you know a lot of people, you know, when it
(02:18):
comes to hip hop in the West Coast and ship,
a lot of people tend to try to forget about
San Diego. But we got a lot of motherfucking uh.
We got a lot of hoods and a lot of
hood motherfucking representation and a lot of hood anthems.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Man.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
You know, niggas niggas is the you know, they the
cousins in the relatives still, man tell me down that way.
San Diego probably got no motherfucking difference.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
They know what it is.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Ship once you told the homie Glasses this one day,
because you got gangster rappers, then you got gangster rappers.
Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. I told him,
I said, San Diego probably got more gangster rappers than
anybody else. Yeah, you know, the dudes, like the Big
June dudes, like, a lot of they shit ain't commercialized.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
As you know what I'm saying. A lot of they
shit is uh underground, so to speak. I consider myself underground,
so a lot of they shit is still on that aspect.
You know, a lot of us didn't get too commercialized
by hip hop, you know, even though we probably wanted
to hit that status. I think we had too much
(03:27):
pride in our representation of the streets in our neighborhoods
for us to turn, you know, to fucking commercialized. In
me because me, I never I never gave a fuck
about you know, hitting MTVS or being on the radio
every day and shit like that. Motherfuckers used to be
(03:50):
like man make radio songs. I'm like, I don't. I
don't aim my music towards the radio.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You feel me.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
You know a lot of niggas used to be Yeah,
but you could do this and you can do that,
and you probably and I just felt like, you know,
I want to keep the integrity of of of where
I was representing or where the streets, you know, because
like I used to tell niggas, man, I don't know
what niggas is all happy for ship niggas making all
(04:21):
this happy fucking music. It's enough for them niggas. It's
it's real struggles in these streets, real talk. You feel
me soft going on definitely. So that's that's what you know,
That's what San Diego is to me. When I think
of artists, you know, shout out to my nigga, MITCHI man,
you know what I'm saying. I'm fuck with Mitchie a
few times on a couple of projects of mine, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Shout out Mixie, shout out to homie Jail.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
That definitely, definitely, and then all of all the homies
down and like I said, it's a few down there,
like my man, and it's a futurying out there trying
to get there. You know, niggas is working there. You
go official, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Supposed to be so speaking the mixture you from Lincoln Park, right, yeah, okay,
And I want to jump right into it, man, because
you got one of those stories. I like having people
on that got stories.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Feel what I'm saying, like stories or definitely they can
get some games of the people out there and just
exposed people what's really going on in the streets. And
just to reiterate what A said, this ain't one of
those happy shows. This ain't one of those gossiping shows.
You're not gonna get none of that open. You're gonna
get real life stuff. It's gonna be able to help
you survive. Yeah, we don't try to. I mean, let's
(05:38):
go get motherfucking yeah. Yeah, yeah, here, let's go get it.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
You know, we try to deal with with niggas who
were still, like I say, still in the struggle. As
far as whatever it is, you know, definitely, whether it's
your pride kicking in because you know you from a
section or a neighborhood, or whether you don't want to
bend over backwards or bend over frontwards, so to speak.
For niggas to try to conform to that other side
(06:05):
of hip hop, you know. So you just you just
stay in your lane, man, that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Especially your in your case man, twenty fourteen, right.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yeah, June teenth, June teen teenth, twenty fourteen. That's that
was the crazy part about it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I know the story, but I want you to pretend like,
you know, we don't know nothing. We gonna take everybody
out there through what really went on? Did they just
run up in your off section and just start snatching
you went home he self? So?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So, I mean basically so what they did was right, Okay.
So they came out with this penal code that was
twenty five. It was one of the two point five
under they it was a proposition. I was packaged up
under in the proposition twenty one okay, So it was
a voter initiative. They voted it in, but they didn't
tell people was actually in it, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
So they had this thing on the books forever, and
it was crazy, right because when I was about I
think I'm gonna say, I was probably like sixteen fifteen sixteen,
I'm in the hood, sliding on the bike, get put
over by the police.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Like regular shit. You know how they do it.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
You know, we put you on the ground, you know
what I mean, cross your legs and all the shit.
And he told me it was like man, he was
like yeah, he was laughing, like yeah, we don'ta let
you go right now, but uh yeah, pretty soon we're coming.
It's not your whole hood up right. And it flew
over my heads. I'm like, hell, this is nigga talking
about you know what I mean. But they knew they
had this proposition, you know what I'm saying where they
they was putting to put it together where they was
(07:25):
gonna come grab everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What's adding and what's adding? What's happening? Iss your boy?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Big Steeal with another episode against the Chronicles podcast today.
My guy MC eight is out, but I am here
with legendary DJ Scream. You know what I'm saying for
asking the flaws and now I'll be hitting at the flaws.
But right now, bro, what's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Adding with you?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
What's what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
My brother honor to be here with you.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Salute the mcate as well the whole Gangster Chronicles found salute.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Oh for sure, for sure, man, you know what it
was one question I've been wanting to ask you, man,
and I was saving this because me and you talk
all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is tr really the king of the South?
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Well, when you let's let's say this, when he first
said he was the king of the South, if there
were people who didn't believe or opposed it or wanted
to debate it, I think I think he did a
damn good job of of of making that case.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
If you understand what was said, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And I think, honestly, Man, for me, my my, my
honest opinion, Yeah, t I is the King of the South.
The Lil Wayne is the King of the South. Jesus
the King of the South. Gou She's the king of
the South. Futures the king of the South. I feel
like it changes, it goes you know what I'm saying.
I feel like you do have an actual king who
(08:47):
was crowned, and at that time it's kind of like, Okay,
this is the person who who was uplifting the South
and holding the South up, you know what I'm saying.
But obviously as time goes.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
On, you know, it changes and movies, it moves from.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
This artists and that artist is this artist is that artist,
whether it be Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee. Somebody could say
right now, going really the king of the Queen of
us out or something like that.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
So I felt like I understood when Tip was saying
King of the South.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It is like when.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Wayne was saying best rapperlive.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Oh there was a time where I said number one
DJ in the South. It ain't to knock nobody or whatever.
But we all compete to be number one. We should,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's how we do the coach.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
And that's how we get the coach of going. So
we should all be competing to be number one and
put our best foot forwards. So, man, the best way
I can answer that is like I said, he made
a damn good case.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh he for sure did.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Now you know one person man like I feel the
same way about Snoop. Snoop is always gonna be like
kind of like the King of the coast. But we
got Kenner Lamar right now, he's he's the king at
the moment. You feel what I'm saying. You can make
the case for e forty two up in the bay.
You feel what I'm saying because didn't dudes represent the
(10:05):
West Coast on.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
A high level? Oh, for sure, on a high level.
Now do you think hip hop?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You being a DJ, do you think hip hop is
going back to being a regional thing or wasn't always
a regional thing?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's a great question, man, hip hop this is like
too universal to be region.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
No, But what I do think is that the South
had a lot of influence and there was a time
where I couldn't. I'm hearing records from all over the
country and they all sound like Atlanta records, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So even in the West.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Coast everything, I'm like, Yo, this sounds like Atlanta music.
I personally like my West Coast music to sound the
West Coast. I personally like my East Coast music to
sound East Coast. They can have a little influence in there,
for sure, but I person they want to hear that vibe.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You do know?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
See what I'm saying, Uh, I think we are getting
back to if you look at what Mustard and Kendrick
deal with that with the with the not like Us record,
look at Mustard and Kendrick. If you look at our
rest of soul, like how Nipsey hustles sound and everything
like that.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It just felt real, La. You did what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
And if you start to look at some of the
other people, even the cash cash combain the base wag ship,
Like you know what I'm saying, he got his Like
this is like a drill vibe to it, but it's
it's New York. You understand what I'm saying. So I
think that I think that it's kind of getting back
to that balance. Not necessarily just regional, but there's that
(11:44):
balance of Okay, Detroit niggas sound like Detroit niggas, and
I love it. You know that Detroit sound when it dropped, Okay,
this is on Detroit exactly. I like, like, I don't
come all the way to LA to eat Atlanta food.
(12:06):
You know what I'm saying, you food in Atlanta. I
ain't going all the way to Shottown or wherever. I
ain't going all the way overseas to eat Atlanta food.
So I like it when you know, every city, every
section just really represent their culture and you know what
I'm saying, manifest their culture through that music.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well you know what I attribute that to.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Man, Atlanta came on so strong and like you said, man,
the South dominance is not going nowhere, bro, It's not
going nowhere no time soon.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You feel me. First of all, when you talk about
the South, I'm originally from the Midwest.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I'm reasoning from Cleveland, but I've been in California since
eighty eight, right, so I've actually been California longer than i.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Was in Cleveland. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
But the South, and I remember when it first started
kind of like making this way. I remember even the
Ghetto Boys, right, you know, the Ghetto Boys too live crew.
Know those records always was pretty big on the West coast.
They you know, developed the following out here. The West
Coast always kind of rolled with the South. Right. The
Midwest listens to almost nothing but the South. I think
(13:11):
in a lot of ways, when you're in Oklahoma, Cleveland,
they look at that because we all got family in Mississippi.
When I was a kid. I remember we used to
drive from Cleveland to Mississippi every summer.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I was born on them for two or three weeks. Right.
We was always in the South when to visit, you
know uncle. So I think we just have a kinmanship
with the South.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's just not whoever go nowhere, Nobody was ever mad
like me.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I'm like you, I want my New York music to
sound like New York music, right, I want my West
Coast hip hop to sound like West Coast hip hop.
But I'm not mad at these younger cats that was
influenced by the Gucci Man's who was by the rich
you know the recipes Rich Homi Kwan's, you know, because
I really more than anybody with the melody Rich Homie
(14:01):
Kwan a Future.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They just kind of made it the way.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You know, they were so impactful what they did because
when Future first hit man, he hit real.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Are out here?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?
So our boy Seane P. Diddy comes, it's in a
little bit of trouble tonight. I have a special guess here.
I don't know if y'all remember Diary of Hollywood Street King.
He was one of the first big websites on the
West Coast that really spilled all the tea and all
(14:32):
the stuff. My man Jackie Jasper, guess what I got
him in the building, Like you can't see him because
he can't show his face, you know, he don't spill
the tea on so many people, people like you're looking
for him, Jackie, what's a man? All right?
Speaker 9 (14:45):
Man, I've gain't nobody looking for me.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I just don't.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
I just ain't got no time for all that right now.
Later on we get into all that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But we're good, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Many.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I appreciate you coming on first and foremost, what's going
on with your boy?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Did he?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Man? What's going on? Because I know you know the
really real well.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
I mean, I think this has been brewing for a minute.
You know, I think everybody got something to say right now,
But did he? But those who knew him. We've been
talking this over a decade now, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I remember not to take you off. I remember five
six years ago when me and you first started rapping.
You was telling me there was something coming down about
d and I said, man, you trip, it ain't nothing
wrong with Pete Diddy.
Speaker 10 (15:35):
Here we will continue, and I mean, let's let's take
it all the way back to our boy Tupac, who
was who's most likely smiling from heaven right now because
everything that Park said about him is actually coming to life,
you know. And here's a dude who started off his
(15:59):
life life as we would call him, a fucking nerd.
I mean, excuse my language. You would call him a nerd,
a freaking nerd.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Right, And.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
I would say that why because this guy part taked
in videos from groups like the Five Young Cannibals. He
was teaching Stacy Latta saw how they dance. It was
a good kid that went to Howard University and found
(16:33):
out he had the gift of gab and then ran
into I think the person who turned him out, which
was Andre Herrel, you know, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So, and he was a part of that little fraternity.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Yeah, I think, I think well after because Puff is
going to school but hanging out with Andre and them
on the weekends and all that, you know, I think
that's when he got turned out and got a right
away from school as as a CEO of a of
a record company and all that, you know, which is crazy,
(17:12):
you know. And from from that plateau, leaving that and
then getting connected with Clive Davis was really when it
all happened in him. Getting connected with Clive was when
(17:33):
Clive was connecting La Mead and all of that. And
I think at that time of this thing that we
call hip hop, the man Akad industry wanted to change
the language of the game because prior to Puffy and
all of that, we was on some public enemy and
(17:58):
wa type phase. You know, we were belling. You know,
we were belling a lot, you know what I'm saying.
So they had to calm down the noise, and you know,
Clive gave Puffy a bag, gave on Ania heral and
Baby i mean Ellie Reid and Babyface bag and we
(18:23):
started to see the music changing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know, let me ask you a question, Jackie real quick,
because you brought La read up. I me and you
both know how La Reid get down without saying it.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
Yeah, that's why I'm mentioning the characters to show you
the cast members, you know, So we're kind of putting
the cast members and how people fitted in and how
they connected, you know. And when bad Boy came to life,
I mean, this guy was in his early twenties, you know,
(18:57):
getting a job of probably a man who was the
industry for decades. He just got in there like that's
what you call a plant, you know what I'm saying,
That's what you call an industry plant.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Yeah, And his motive was to have the music that
we were doing softened, and he softened it by having
his rappers wrap above Facadi and the girls started liking it,
(19:31):
and before you know it.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was coming.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
So the music was coming so.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Wishy washy, you know, when he got into the game,
but no one really took notice. Everyone partake in it
because we're coming into it like a Bling era, you know.
But everybody forgot that this dude is really a plant
and always was a plan.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Once again, thank you for tuning into the Black Effect
Podcast Network. Seeing you in twenty twenty five for more
great moments from your favorite podcast.
Peace of the planet, Charlamagne the god here and as
we come closer the closing out this year, I just
want to say thank you for tuning into the Black
Effect Podcast Network. There have been so many great moments
over the past year. Take a listen to some of
those captivating moments in this special best of episode.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
But all right, job.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All across the USC Compton watch Bank to La come
on to California yesday.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
From out in the valley.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
We represent that Keller County.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So if you're keeping it real on your side of
your town, you're tuning into gangst the Chronicles, the Conic Goals.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How we go if I lie my notes a girl
like Pinocchio, We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing
but the Chosanks.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
The Chronic Goals.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
This is not your average shows.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You're now tuned into the real MC eight Big Stairs,
the Streets.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hello, Welcome to Against the Chronicles podcast, the production of
iHeart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you
download the iHeart app and subscribe to Against the Chronicles
For my Apple users, hit the Purple Michael your front screen.
Subscribed Against the Chronicles, leave of five star rating and comment,
(01:15):
we'd like to welcome you to another episode Against the
Chronicles podcast. It's your boy big Steal along with Yeah,
you know, I think we got something going right now.
Last week we had the homely x rated on and
he need your time behind the lyrics and this song
a lot of times you know behind you know, epistol
on the album covering lyrics. Yeah, really no other type
(01:37):
of evidence, yeah foul. And this week we got the
homie SD tiny due in the building.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
That's sir, honored man, pleasure that man, super honored man
in the miss elections. Bro, this is this is dope man,
especially from nigga from Dago.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I don't know about legends plural.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Yeah, God damn that's big bro man, God damn fucking
my little booze most warnted ass nigga, My god. But yeah,
you know a lot of people, you know, when it
(02:18):
comes to hip hop in the West Coast and ship,
a lot of people tend to try to forget about
San Diego. But we got a lot of motherfucking uh.
We got a lot of hoods and a lot of
hood motherfucking representation and a lot of hood anthems.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Man.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
You know, niggas niggas is the you know, they the
cousins in the relatives still, man tell me down that way.
San Diego probably got no motherfucking difference.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
They know what it is.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Ship once you told the homie Glasses this one day,
because you got gangster rappers, then you got gangster rappers.
Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. I told him,
I said, San Diego probably got more gangster rappers than
anybody else. Yeah, you know, the dudes, like the Big
June dudes, like, a lot of they shit ain't commercialized.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
As you know what I'm saying. A lot of they
shit is uh underground, so to speak. I consider myself underground,
so a lot of they shit is still on that aspect.
You know, a lot of us didn't get too commercialized
by hip hop, you know, even though we probably wanted
to hit that status. I think we had too much
(03:27):
pride in our representation of the streets in our neighborhoods
for us to turn, you know, to fucking commercialized. In
me because me, I never I never gave a fuck
about you know, hitting MTVS or being on the radio
every day and shit like that. Motherfuckers used to be
(03:50):
like man make radio songs. I'm like, I don't. I
don't aim my music towards the radio.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You feel me.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
You know a lot of niggas used to be Yeah,
but you could do this and you can do that,
and you probably and I just felt like, you know,
I want to keep the integrity of of of where
I was representing or where the streets, you know, because
like I used to tell niggas, man, I don't know
what niggas is all happy for ship niggas making all
(04:21):
this happy fucking music. It's enough for them niggas. It's
it's real struggles in these streets, real talk. You feel
me soft going on definitely. So that's that's what you know,
That's what San Diego is to me. When I think
of artists, you know, shout out to my nigga, MITCHI man,
you know what I'm saying. I'm fuck with Mitchie a
few times on a couple of projects of mine, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Shout out Mixie, shout out to homie Jail.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
That definitely, definitely, and then all of all the homies
down and like I said, it's a few down there,
like my man, and it's a futurying out there trying
to get there. You know, niggas is working there. You
go official, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Supposed to be so speaking the mixture you from Lincoln Park, right, yeah, okay,
And I want to jump right into it, man, because
you got one of those stories. I like having people
on that got stories.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Feel what I'm saying, like stories or definitely they can
get some games of the people out there and just
exposed people what's really going on in the streets. And
just to reiterate what A said, this ain't one of
those happy shows. This ain't one of those gossiping shows.
You're not gonna get none of that open. You're gonna
get real life stuff. It's gonna be able to help
you survive. Yeah, we don't try to. I mean, let's
(05:38):
go get motherfucking yeah. Yeah, yeah, here, let's go get it.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
You know, we try to deal with with niggas who
were still, like I say, still in the struggle. As
far as whatever it is, you know, definitely, whether it's
your pride kicking in because you know you from a
section or a neighborhood, or whether you don't want to
bend over backwards or bend over frontwards, so to speak.
For niggas to try to conform to that other side
(06:05):
of hip hop, you know. So you just you just
stay in your lane, man, that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Especially your in your case man, twenty fourteen, right.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yeah, June teenth, June teen teenth, twenty fourteen. That's that
was the crazy part about it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I know the story, but I want you to pretend like,
you know, we don't know nothing. We gonna take everybody
out there through what really went on? Did they just
run up in your off section and just start snatching
you went home he self? So?
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So, I mean basically so what they did was right, Okay.
So they came out with this penal code that was
twenty five. It was one of the two point five
under they it was a proposition. I was packaged up
under in the proposition twenty one okay, So it was
a voter initiative. They voted it in, but they didn't
tell people was actually in it, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
So they had this thing on the books forever, and
it was crazy, right because when I was about I
think I'm gonna say, I was probably like sixteen fifteen sixteen,
I'm in the hood, sliding on the bike, get put
over by the police.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Like regular shit. You know how they do it.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
You know, we put you on the ground, you know
what I mean, cross your legs and all the shit.
And he told me it was like man, he was
like yeah, he was laughing, like yeah, we don'ta let
you go right now, but uh yeah, pretty soon we're coming.
It's not your whole hood up right. And it flew
over my heads. I'm like, hell, this is nigga talking
about you know what I mean. But they knew they
had this proposition, you know what I'm saying where they
they was putting to put it together where they was
(07:25):
gonna come grab everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What's adding and what's adding? What's happening? Iss your boy?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Big Steeal with another episode against the Chronicles podcast today.
My guy MC eight is out, but I am here
with legendary DJ Scream. You know what I'm saying for
asking the flaws and now I'll be hitting at the flaws.
But right now, bro, what's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Adding with you?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
What's what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
My brother honor to be here with you.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Salute the mcate as well the whole Gangster Chronicles found salute.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Oh for sure, for sure, man, you know what it
was one question I've been wanting to ask you, man,
and I was saving this because me and you talk
all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is tr really the king of the South?
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Well, when you let's let's say this, when he first
said he was the king of the South, if there
were people who didn't believe or opposed it or wanted
to debate it, I think I think he did a
damn good job of of of making that case.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
If you understand what was said, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And I think, honestly, Man, for me, my my, my
honest opinion, Yeah, t I is the King of the South.
The Lil Wayne is the King of the South. Jesus
the King of the South. Gou She's the king of
the South. Futures the king of the South. I feel
like it changes, it goes you know what I'm saying.
I feel like you do have an actual king who
(08:47):
was crowned, and at that time it's kind of like, Okay,
this is the person who who was uplifting the South
and holding the South up, you know what I'm saying.
But obviously as time goes.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
On, you know, it changes and movies, it moves from.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
This artists and that artist is this artist is that artist,
whether it be Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee. Somebody could say
right now, going really the king of the Queen of
us out or something like that.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
So I felt like I understood when Tip was saying
King of the South.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It is like when.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Wayne was saying best rapperlive.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Oh there was a time where I said number one
DJ in the South. It ain't to knock nobody or whatever.
But we all compete to be number one. We should,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's how we do the coach.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
And that's how we get the coach of going. So
we should all be competing to be number one and
put our best foot forwards. So, man, the best way
I can answer that is like I said, he made
a damn good case.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh he for sure did.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Now you know one person man like I feel the
same way about Snoop. Snoop is always gonna be like
kind of like the King of the coast. But we
got Kenner Lamar right now, he's he's the king at
the moment. You feel what I'm saying. You can make
the case for e forty two up in the bay.
You feel what I'm saying because didn't dudes represent the
(10:05):
West Coast on.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
A high level? Oh, for sure, on a high level.
Now do you think hip hop?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You being a DJ, do you think hip hop is
going back to being a regional thing or wasn't always
a regional thing?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's a great question, man, hip hop this is like
too universal to be region.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
No, But what I do think is that the South
had a lot of influence and there was a time
where I couldn't. I'm hearing records from all over the
country and they all sound like Atlanta records, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So even in the West.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Coast everything, I'm like, Yo, this sounds like Atlanta music.
I personally like my West Coast music to sound the
West Coast. I personally like my East Coast music to
sound East Coast. They can have a little influence in there,
for sure, but I person they want to hear that vibe.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You do know?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
See what I'm saying, Uh, I think we are getting
back to if you look at what Mustard and Kendrick
deal with that with the with the not like Us record,
look at Mustard and Kendrick. If you look at our
rest of soul, like how Nipsey hustles sound and everything
like that.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It just felt real, La. You did what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
And if you start to look at some of the
other people, even the cash cash combain the base wag ship,
Like you know what I'm saying, he got his Like
this is like a drill vibe to it, but it's
it's New York. You understand what I'm saying. So I
think that I think that it's kind of getting back
to that balance. Not necessarily just regional, but there's that
(11:44):
balance of Okay, Detroit niggas sound like Detroit niggas, and
I love it. You know that Detroit sound when it dropped, Okay,
this is on Detroit exactly. I like, like, I don't
come all the way to LA to eat Atlanta food.
(12:06):
You know what I'm saying, you food in Atlanta. I
ain't going all the way to Shottown or wherever. I
ain't going all the way overseas to eat Atlanta food.
So I like it when you know, every city, every
section just really represent their culture and you know what
I'm saying, manifest their culture through that music.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well you know what I attribute that to.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Man, Atlanta came on so strong and like you said, man,
the South dominance is not going nowhere, bro, It's not
going nowhere no time soon.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You feel me. First of all, when you talk about
the South, I'm originally from the Midwest.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I'm reasoning from Cleveland, but I've been in California since
eighty eight, right, so I've actually been California longer than i.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Was in Cleveland. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
But the South, and I remember when it first started
kind of like making this way. I remember even the
Ghetto Boys, right, you know, the Ghetto Boys too live crew.
Know those records always was pretty big on the West coast.
They you know, developed the following out here. The West
Coast always kind of rolled with the South. Right. The
Midwest listens to almost nothing but the South. I think
(13:11):
in a lot of ways, when you're in Oklahoma, Cleveland,
they look at that because we all got family in Mississippi.
When I was a kid. I remember we used to
drive from Cleveland to Mississippi every summer.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I was born on them for two or three weeks. Right.
We was always in the South when to visit, you
know uncle. So I think we just have a kinmanship
with the South.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's just not whoever go nowhere, Nobody was ever mad
like me.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I'm like you, I want my New York music to
sound like New York music, right, I want my West
Coast hip hop to sound like West Coast hip hop.
But I'm not mad at these younger cats that was
influenced by the Gucci Man's who was by the rich
you know the recipes Rich Homi Kwan's, you know, because
I really more than anybody with the melody Rich Homie
(14:01):
Kwan a Future.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They just kind of made it the way.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You know, they were so impactful what they did because
when Future first hit man, he hit real.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Are out here?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?
So our boy Seane P. Diddy comes, it's in a
little bit of trouble tonight. I have a special guess here.
I don't know if y'all remember Diary of Hollywood Street King.
He was one of the first big websites on the
West Coast that really spilled all the tea and all
(14:32):
the stuff. My man Jackie Jasper, guess what I got
him in the building, Like you can't see him because
he can't show his face, you know, he don't spill
the tea on so many people, people like you're looking
for him, Jackie, what's a man? All right?
Speaker 9 (14:45):
Man, I've gain't nobody looking for me.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I just don't.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
I just ain't got no time for all that right now.
Later on we get into all that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But we're good, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Many.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I appreciate you coming on first and foremost, what's going
on with your boy?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Did he?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Man? What's going on? Because I know you know the
really real well.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
I mean, I think this has been brewing for a minute.
You know, I think everybody got something to say right now,
But did he? But those who knew him. We've been
talking this over a decade now, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I remember not to take you off. I remember five
six years ago when me and you first started rapping.
You was telling me there was something coming down about
d and I said, man, you trip, it ain't nothing
wrong with Pete Diddy.
Speaker 10 (15:35):
Here we will continue, and I mean, let's let's take
it all the way back to our boy Tupac, who
was who's most likely smiling from heaven right now because
everything that Park said about him is actually coming to life,
you know. And here's a dude who started off his
(15:59):
life life as we would call him, a fucking nerd.
I mean, excuse my language. You would call him a nerd,
a freaking nerd.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Right, And.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
I would say that why because this guy part taked
in videos from groups like the Five Young Cannibals. He
was teaching Stacy Latta saw how they dance. It was
a good kid that went to Howard University and found
(16:33):
out he had the gift of gab and then ran
into I think the person who turned him out, which
was Andre Herrel, you know, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So, and he was a part of that little fraternity.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Yeah, I think, I think well after because Puff is
going to school but hanging out with Andre and them
on the weekends and all that, you know, I think
that's when he got turned out and got a right
away from school as as a CEO of a of
a record company and all that, you know, which is crazy,
(17:12):
you know. And from from that plateau, leaving that and
then getting connected with Clive Davis was really when it
all happened in him. Getting connected with Clive was when
(17:33):
Clive was connecting La Mead and all of that. And
I think at that time of this thing that we
call hip hop, the man Akad industry wanted to change
the language of the game because prior to Puffy and
all of that, we was on some public enemy and
(17:58):
wa type phase. You know, we were belling. You know,
we were belling a lot, you know what I'm saying.
So they had to calm down the noise, and you know,
Clive gave Puffy a bag, gave on Ania heral and
Baby i mean Ellie Reid and Babyface bag and we
(18:23):
started to see the music changing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know, let me ask you a question, Jackie real quick,
because you brought La read up. I me and you
both know how La Reid get down without saying it.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
Yeah, that's why I'm mentioning the characters to show you
the cast members, you know, So we're kind of putting
the cast members and how people fitted in and how
they connected, you know. And when bad Boy came to life,
I mean, this guy was in his early twenties, you know,
(18:57):
getting a job of probably a man who was the
industry for decades. He just got in there like that's
what you call a plant, you know what I'm saying,
That's what you call an industry plant.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Yeah, And his motive was to have the music that
we were doing softened, and he softened it by having
his rappers wrap above Facadi and the girls started liking it,
(19:31):
and before you know it.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was coming.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
So the music was coming so.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Wishy washy, you know, when he got into the game,
but no one really took notice. Everyone partake in it
because we're coming into it like a Bling era, you know.
But everybody forgot that this dude is really a plant
and always was a plan.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
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