BG Knoccout Talks Death Row Vs. Ruthless , Prison & Growth

Eiht and Steele finally get to sit down with Compton rapper BG Knoccout and discuss the Ruthless/Deathrow beef, The real economics of podcast,  how prison and turning Muslim lead to his growth and much more.

 

 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Coming on here.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We're gonna see though, BG knockout. You know when you
have them guests like BG Knockout and what's the other
homie man from the East sideers, what's the only Trained?
And Goldie and them, when you've had them type of guests, man,
you just got to see if they just gonna come.
If they come, they come. If they don't, they don't,
they mythicled almost did you see did you see that

(00:55):
stuff that happened in Chicago where they jump on that
woman and her kids?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Noah, didn't sh it.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
It made me wonder, man, what's going on with these
kids today? Stuff like that didn't used to and I
didn't never see no kids jump on the jump on
somebody's mama.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, that's the that's the youngsters. Today.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Man, they they go by a different cold than what
are so called the veteran niggas you know, used to do.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's just different. You know. They follow their own path.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
They form their own clicks, and they follow their own path,
you know what I'm saying. They might they might come
out of a neighborhood, but they done got their awn
click behind it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, and they just they follow their own cold nowadays. Yeah,
you for surely missing thehm bro.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It just tripped me out because I was watching it
and uh, she's walking home with her kids. She's walking
home with her children. He's a little children, right, bring
your school children. She walking home with her kids and
these kids just like just'm wrestling. The little kids are pulled.
The little baby's heir beat the mom up and it
was crazy. And they had one of the little girls
on there, and you know, of course she was shedding

(02:07):
tears and stuff. I just if that's what our kids
is doing today, Man, we are some cripple.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, not all ji into doing that. Your son didn't
do that.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Shit, Oh no, want my son, Like I said, product
of your environment.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
You feel me. It's unfortunately we still.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Have youngsters who grow up, you know, and then you
got one of bees who are in different sections who
try to click up and try to make a name
for themselves on It's it's unfortunate, Like yall said that,
I used to do some crazy shit as a kid. Yeah,

(02:48):
but I don't think it was ever an episode where
I was you know, we was rack packing somebody's mama
and a little kid. You know, we used to try
to get on squabbles heads up, you know, and even
the homies will be like, now they're gonna go head up.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
They're gonna go head up.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Like I said, the youngsters, unfortunately, who are still products
of their environment, they follow a different code than what
we followed back in the days, you know. M And
I don't want to I don't want to say we're
lost calls, but you know, you got to take accountability
for you know, what what your what the youth are

(03:28):
doing if you parenting, uh those type of situations.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, you know, I do.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, I did a lot of stuff when I
was a little kid, like everybody else in the neighborhood
coming up, I did dumb stuff, But I can't names
jumping on somebody's mama is being one of those things.
I saw some few of stuff like I saw a
teacher getting knocked out when I was in eighth grade,
one of the homies beat up a teacher on I've
seen stuff like that, right. And we had the homie
name do wrong in the hood. That was knock the

(03:57):
people's daddy's out. He like really knocking people's pops off,
you know, yeah, you know, lot of people's daddy's all.
It was crazy, man, But this I guess this is
what went. The young mother said her and her nine
year old son were beaten by a group of children
and teens while walking Monday on Chicago's far South Side,

(04:18):
just blocks away from Chicago Public School. According to police,
the thirty three year old woman her nine year old
son were walking just after three pm and the ten
six hundred block up South Bensley Avenue when a group
of offenders approach destruct the victims multiple times. Both the
mom and the son were taken to area hospitals, where
they were initially listed in serious condition. Kashanda Hater said

(04:41):
the situation stemmed from bullying at Chicago's Oraville Bright Elementary
School in the South Daring neighborhood. I can't sleep because
I wake up in the middle of the night vision
in my mind and my son calling my name Helbum,
and I couldn't do nothing for him. That really hurt
me the most, she said while speaking outside of school
Tuesday morning.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's crazy. They got the mama traumatize the shoot.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, you know, that's an incident where the kids already
getting bullied at school.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It seems like it seems like they was already on them.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
If it's still some bullying that school, and you know,
you have a lot of that everywhere with kids these days.
You see it all over social media where people trying
to stop bullying in schools.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I had an incident on my football team where one
of the parents spoke out about kids being bullied at school.
You know whatever, So it happens, man, It's unfortunate, but
it still goes round. You give me, we call it.
You know, niggas feel they can punk you. They gonna
punk you. You get me, they gonna see you coming

(05:49):
a mile away. And then so, like I said, and
in those situations, you know, you stick out like a
sore thumb and you probably can't defend yourself, then.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You probably go it picked off yeah, now we're supposed
to happen to the little kids. What do you think
the punishment should be? Do you put them in jail?
Do you put a bunch of nine years in jail?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
The id they're they're following the pattern of what they.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
See and they think it's popular. You get me.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, they they see the confrontations in the rack
packing and the whatever and the niggas jumping whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
So you know, a bunch of nine heroes, elementary school.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Kids, you know, ship they all feel like, I'm happy
to the fact to where they all felt like we
gonna get up here, and most of them probably just
standing around trying to get free licks. You get me,
just to say they was a part of the melee.
It's always an instigator.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's always somebody to instigates stuff like right like I
said it was I had. I ain't gonna say he
was the homie man. We had two dudes to catch
name Leon. This other dude they called Dulo. I don't
know Doulo's real name, but Doolu and Leon was much
older than we were, and they were in the same
class as us. Remember I used to just hold kids back.
I'm talking about Leon we was in sixth grade. Leon

(07:15):
had beer stuffing and being class clown and like like,
I think the teachers were scared of Leon and do wrong.
They're being class clown. And we had this one substitute
teacher land that got tough one day and Dulo said, man,
you don't nobody tell me what to do. My dad,
you don't even tell me what to do. When the
teacher said something to them, he stood up next thing

(07:35):
the book slipped the principal, not the principal, slipped the
teacher right in the middle of the classroom, knocked them
out and sat back down like nothing. What happened? They
were scared of him at the school. What did you
do with kids like that when they just minace? It's
the society, just the cap.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Worship.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
The system is to lock them up if you ain't
getting the hold of them like that, especially a few Yeah,
assault and a teacher, that's grounds for being locked up
in juvenile hall.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
If you not of age, you feel me.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's something that you know depending on the system you
in and where you at with school system, because a
lot of people wouldn't tolerate that you go knocking the
teacher out there, you feel to be handcuffed, and this.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Time that's a terrorist threat and everything else. You're going
to xail. You are going to jail. I don't care,
old jeish you do that in the class from the
day you're going to exail.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I think back then.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Especially coming up in the hood, I don't think they
cared about our school too much.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, I thought school was you know, whatever you feel me,
you go, you go.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Sometimes we didn't. We ditched.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
School got boring at at a at a certain part
of time because as an average motherfucker, you know, you
feel like you're not being taught anything that's gonna be
valued in the motherfucking society. You know, a lot of
motherfuckers aren't able to go to college, you feel, so
people be stuck in that mist of of shit.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
What is school really gonna do?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I need to go get a job or I need
to start hustling or whatever you get me.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it's a whole bunch of catching.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And that's around that time, usually in the seventh grade.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Where is the high school diploma gonna get you a
job at McDonald's or in and out?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You feel me like niggas like niggas? What what?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
How far is that if you can't go to college,
how far is your high school diploma gonna take you?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know what? Probably not too far.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
That's why I talk about them trade schools to being
something being real viable for kids nowadays, because a lot
of kids not tripping off on the school bro they
just not.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
They want to make money though. Everybody got to make
a living.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, that's why you have so many people in fact,
situated with being famous today because it's they feel it's
an easy role.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
A lot of people don't want to go. You know,
you can't tell the mother for the youngster right now. Shit,
you should go out and you should go into sanitation,
or you should go in there you learn to be
a plumber or electrician.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You got a look fun to look at you praise
like lick. I don't can't make no million dollars doing
that shit. Well that's the problem right there.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Everybody think you're supposed to make a million dollars, but
don't want it, don't even begin how to go get it.
You're just supposed to make a million dollars if you're
a podcast for you making a million dollars, if you're
a rapper making a million dollars. If you're an actor,
you're making a million dollars. They don't see the they
don't see the grinding it. They just think, as soon
as you on TV, where's my chick at for a
million dollars?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And I don't have a worry in the world.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, you know, like I said, we're in the era
of get rich quick or I want it instant, believe
or I never when I started music or whatever, bro
I never fid them making a million dollars of being
a millionaire.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I just wanted to make the record. I wasn't upseessed
with being famous.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
You know, like I'm saying, some of the o are
youth today, they weren't a stick success.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't want to wait, no mother for you, you know,
for to tell me I gotta do this, that and
the other and then maybe twenty years from now.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You know, no, man, fuck that. I want my shit tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I don't know where these kids get that from, but
I'm gonna tell you what the main cause that what
it is. I saw this Cavin internet today. I don't
know what his name is, and you probably see him
dude with dreads. He got all this gaudy jewelry on home.
You know, jurry, he come up the top like that.
You know, one hundred on the wrist. I got two
fifty on my neck. You know I got a million
dollars worth of jewry. I just bought these pants from

(11:53):
somebody from this passion. Dude, they were seventy grand. You
have kids out there to believe all that bullshit. Yeah,
because they they are. They're perceived to be the next
the ship.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You give me. Niggas fashion the boat.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
He got the gold on, he got the whipped and whooped,
he woke, and then you'll see this nig out here
dunking your motherfucking trash or working No. Nine to five.
It's snigging in the streets with it. So that fascinates youngsters.
That fascinated me as a kid when I saw a
hustler and a nigga with the newest car and this

(12:30):
and that, and it fascinates you.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
It could sidetrack you as a kid.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, it can't sidetrack you. I wish I could find
this dude.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I probably don't even need to be giving him no play,
to be honest, what she because I hate singing. All
that stuff is all they doing it is misleaving people
and that for thinking that. You know what, I'm gonna
go be a podcast. I'm gonna be an influencer. I
didn't even know that was a real thing though. Man, people,
I'm an influencer. I'm an influence. That's how I make
my living. People get famous aft for that being being

(13:03):
an influencer. Today you get me?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Is that right? Yeah? People get famous off for that. Ship.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'll be watching people ship videos and people they be
walking through the streets and people will be like, oh, man,
I watched your I watched this, I watched that.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
So shit.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
It's a lot of motherfuckers who get famous off for
being influencers.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Hell yeah, we just we had the Homie Pigs knockout.
Just fill up your big what's happening, man, it's the deal.
I'm glad you popped in on this, manh yeah, I
had too.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Was out there with y'all. Man, we just chilling. Man.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
We was just talking about. Man, this era we in
right now and now everybody want to be famous. Everybody
think it's a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean it is. There's some money out there in
that in that world.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know what, I'm saying and that you know he
got this streaming shit's crazy, bro, Like you see these
people doing the kist and that thing. You know what
I'm saying, They doing all that, they get money off
of it. But I think people going about it the
wrong way, you know what I'm saying, as far as
looking stupid, you know, making fools of theyselves, you know
what I mean. I'm not cool with that as an adult,

(14:10):
as a grown ass man. But other than that, it
is money on YouTube and on the internet.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's a fact, you know what if it's money there.
But the thing heals I don't think these kids see
the grind to come with it like it's a gun
on them, like Cotch not then just thurn off, betting,
catched not. People work right, and it's a whole bunch
of more. It's a lot of more lyrics to your
story than what people know. It may look like cats
not just popped up on the internet. Man, that dude's

(14:37):
been grinding for a long time.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you gotta put you gotta
pay your doughs and put your work in before you
could just you know, think you're gonna be a one
from day one, you know, what I'm saying, you gotta
put the work in.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
But I mean, it's it's ways of getting in.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Bro. I see, like I wish i'd have jumped on
TikTok like some years ago. You know what I'm saying,
because when TikTok first came out, they was telling us
it was for kids.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
When I got on TikTok, Bro, I'm like, man, they
getting paid off TikTok, Like, oh yeah, you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Saying for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I was telling them eighth the other day, I said, man,
because we don't post all the time that YouTube. I
was talking to this one guy. Every cat's hit me
up all the time, man, And I've gotten the right
you get to vent people because you can't believe everybody
to hit you up right right right. We were showing
me some of the money that some of his other
people are making off youtubes. Man, I said, Man, some
of these cats making sixty seven thousand dollars a months.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out right now. You
know what I'm saying saying, I'm trying to figure out
that same little thing.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I don't know what exactly because nobody It's like the
people that know. I don't know if I know anybody
that's making it making it like that, but it's like,
I think the people that do know ain't giving up the.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Game either, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And shit like y'all should be y'all should be making that,
you know what I'm saying, As strong as y'all content
that's been.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
As long as y'all been around doing your thing, y'all
sh should be up.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
There by now, you feel me, I know what the
problem is, the knockout, I'm gonna tell you me and
the do all right, right, But there's a lot of
people I see them when they talk about the deals
they got. When they talk about, yeah, we did a
deal for ten million dollars, we did a deal with
fifteen million dollars, that is a bold faced lie because
there's no way to recoup the money. So if somebody
give you ten billion dollars, that means that they have

(16:20):
to have the ability to be able to go make
at least twenty million fifteen to twenty million off of you. Right,
What can gifting you some money and not recouping their
money right now? You know, making no money back off
the investment. A lot of these people lying, man, they
bold faced liars, and I tell them they face. Now
you do have some people that he is making real
good money. Joe Rogan is making a lot of money

(16:41):
right right at all, In the beginning of the show,
Joe Rogan is probably getting between fifteen and twenty thousand
dollars a read. But on all them reads he'd be
at the beginning of his show, he's probably making a
hundred grand. The reads he doing the middle of it show,
he's probably making a one hundred and fifty two hundred.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
But he has a really massive audience and a millions.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You feel what I'm say, He's racing millions of people
right other cats, man, that's just getting a hundred thousand
heroes and there on YouTube and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
They're not making dollars many It ain't. It ain't like
you can't. They can't monetize.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
There's a different ways, like as far as licensing their
content and things like.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
That to other little blogs and blogs and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, this is how the economics podcast and goes right, Yeah,
And it depends on what level you on.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
First of all, the average podcast having a video on
YouTube is not actually happening. The podcast podcast is really
the audio show, right, the average podcast, the guy in
show on the audio man is probably only getting a
hundred downloads a week. Right, They're not getting, you know,
in the thousands of people like that like me and
a show get seventy thousand downloads episode deal when when

(17:53):
they first came to us, I didn't have to go
out and shop a deal. They came to us about
a situation, right, because we were already getting I think
between ten and fifteen thousand downloads episode every week, right,
So they came at us, right, they came to us.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Right. What happens is you get paid off of CPM.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Right, so for every thousand downloads you get, you get
paid a CPM from advertised right. That CPM could be
anywhere from ten dollars for every thousand people you get
own up to one hundred dollars. So if you got
a one hundred dollars CPM, like somebody like Joe Rogan Gott,
you're getting a million downlooks on that, and you're picking
up one hundred dollars for every thousand people you got,

(18:33):
you making some real bread. Right, If you're not getting
those CPMs like that, how do you get paid? And
if you look at one of these shows to say
they getting paid ten million dollars, you know, they would
literally have to be getting five to six million views
an episode on YouTube, right and another million on the
actual audio podcast. They would have to reach a whole
bunch of people in order to make that money. Now,

(18:55):
don't get me wrong, Burial, some money to be made
takes a while.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, Okay, you got some dudes out there getting to it.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
You got like cash or not. He has credible audience.
That dude, I need to holler at him live stream
of me.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
And they say, see they things subscription based though, right,
Like said that and them thing is they getting their
money because they got subscriptions. Just like everybody that's on
their shit, it's paying to be on there, you know
what I mean. I think that's the the smartest move
anyway you think about it.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
What the thing is anytime you can monetize your audience
like and you can sell like the coldest thing I
seen was Joe Butden's he went, he went, you know,
when he got his deal with Spotify, he didn't like it.
You know, he wanted to get off of there because
they were trying to tell him what they're doing, try
to change your stuff up. He didn't want a thing
of the deal. What's the people on what's the name

(19:46):
of that company? The where you can put your stuff
on there, monetize and then make a subscription for us
to come see it?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Twitch like twitch and all that.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
All you talking about the Patreon Patreon you he need
to deal with Patreon.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yo, ass a lot of people subscribing to it shit,
and I think they pay like forty fifty bucks a month.
I don't know what it costs, but he has a
lot of subscribers. Joe may have one hundred thousand, two
hundred thousand subscribers. And ship man, he's making some real money.
Joe Budden's seeing in real paper.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah that's good, Bro's That's that's why I'm trying to
make it too.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I know y'all are too. Shit.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's that's the lick right there. Bro what man me
and a like? I said, Man, it's a blessing dog.
But I'm like, we ever sit up here and tell
somebody this shit was easy or it is easy? Yeah,
I think people are understanding how hard it is to
come in this and it seemed like you just come
in and having a conversation, right, But.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's way more that you have to figure out what
you're gonna talk about. Right.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's why a kitchen where I don't even talking during
the weeks, I gotta wait to talk to him on
the show.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Really, when we get on there, let's have this conversation, right,
and then we'll talk, because we may have an epic
conversation offline then we don't. I'm a shot on wad
for the week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, Now you ain't got nothing to say with you
when you about to get on the ball.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, I hear that. I get it what I'm saying. So,
y'all both grew up in Compton, y'all. I'm surprised y'all
ain't if you ain't never get no music together?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Nah man man eight you know are Unfortunately our size
didn't really mess well, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
That was kind of like the thing with us, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
But me and every time we always seen each other, bro,
it was never no you know, I don't know what
was in his mind. He probably didn't know what was
in our mind, but he ain't never We ain't never
had no words, bro ever got each other crazy at night.
It was always out of respect and everything was respectful.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
So something we drace it though out.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, we did the Straight Out of Confon remake, met
him in a tv K T.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I was in the being. I
was in the pin with a lot of when a
lot of.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Y'all was moving around, for sure. Yeah, definitely. So that
was all it was. That was always it. But you
though niggas had mutual respect, and that's what you have,
you know what I'm saying, regardless of you know, like
you said, sometimes shit don't mess right, but you still
have respect for what niggas doing to get down. Was
always representing com Yeah, for shuffle shuw like with A

(22:20):
and him. I always looked up to eight and them
as the ogs anyway, you.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Know what I'm saying. They came in the gag right
before us, and we was fans of them before. You
know what I'm saying. We even got with easy.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
So it was the respect was their regardless no matter
what people thought.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
You know what I mean, Man, was you writing a
lot of Eric stuff over there when y'all came.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I was writing some stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
My brother was writing a lot of the new stuff,
Like once we came around, he was writing a lot
of it. Cocaine I believe was writing some of it.
Shaky who they call Dirty Red, he was writing some
of it. And I think before we got there, Tretch
was writing a lot of that that other stuff that
only if you want it and all that, like Treasu.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I believe wrote that.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
But some of the stuff I was writing for E
he couldn't wrap it, bro because My ship was like
it was had too many tongue twisters and shit like
in it.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And you can see of the tones twists you have,
you flow like a motherfucker. Yeah. I was like, damn,
who was this dude right here? Man?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
You came out like I was kind of like on
Bone Dug Ship, but not as much as they was.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know. That shit was like constant.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I had lies like and I was in and out
with it like you know what I'm saying here and there.
But some of the stuff that I wrote, Easy couldn't
actually wrap it, you know what I mean. So, but
some of the Ship he did, like on the Straight
off the Streets of MF and compeding off of that
album and then even the the EP that we owned,
the Doctor Dress, I wrote it.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I wrote a little bit on that as well.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, Now, how did you feel because she was a
youngster then how old was you? How old was you
when you first linked up with them? I was seventeen
when I linked up with I.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, so you was a kid? Man. How did it
feel you coming in? Man? You like, you know who
doctor Treyio was?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Obviously he alleged in the city and everything, right, of course,
feel when you came in, Like, man, we would have
this doctor Trey for easy.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I didn't, you know, to be honest, bro, the beginning
and the beginning, I was like, I was like, damn,
it's crazy, Like why we got to come in at
the time when these niggas ain't getting the loan? You
know what I'm saying. Because I'm fan of nw A,
you know what I'm saying. I mean, last one of them,
you feel me? So it was just like damn. And
like like I said, Dresta was he was there before me.
I wasn't supposed to really be in the mix like that.

(24:29):
I know eventually I would get in there, but as
far as real, real motherfucking geez, I wasn't supposed to
be on that record, bro, because they had already written
it and they was just there to lay it. The
day that I was there, they was laying it down
and just so happiness the part that I wrapped on.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Nobody figured out like how that piece of the beat
get on the reel? They like, where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Because when they brought it down from that to take
for my brother to say, come and write it to
he wrote to it perfectly, went back up there to
put the reel on, and then that part of the
beat is there, Like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And then they like that's when they.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Told me to go in there and try something, you
know what I'm saying, Like, that's how I got on
the b I won't he fussed to be on that shit.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
To be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I couldn't have mentioned that song now without you. I
think you had to like nobody else. I think you
had the hardest first one.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people said that, you know
what I mean, Like, it's definitely an iconic verse for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh, you definitely up with that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
You jumped off with that because that was like that
was like flavor and I remember maning That song definitely
impact hood I had. I had a homeboy man named Bruce.
I don't know if y'all know Bruce Bible. He was
managing a little easiert one time. Man, Bro, I know, Bro, Yeah, yeah.
He used to be my neighbors, like yeah, it was

(25:44):
going to Deminga's High school at the time. He's a
football player. I was playing up the Canada, so he
was my little neighbor. He used to play that record
every hey man, Like every day he would get picked
up by his homie and they was playing that record. Man,
I was like, blow him up. So y'all come in
the midst of it. Did you ever run across drinking

(26:05):
them during that time?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, we run it to drain them a few times. Bro.
The glam Slam one time because uh shug.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
The one time that I remembered that was kind of
it was two times we had the Universal Amphitheater where
we was nominated for the son was nominated.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
That was the first time I ever seen all of them.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Face the facts, and uh, they didn't really They didn't
really say too much. The only person you know, Nate
Dog was Nate Dog was like the gatest out of
the whole click. So he thought Aunty One was roughing
Drakenan was just looking. You know, they have the salty
faces and all that. But then at the Glam Slam
one time we was riding to watch. We was in
the Homie Way from West Side Poo. He let us

(26:43):
ride his trade the whole day, so he gave us
just his lowrider. We sliding the watch copped in everywhere boom,
so we getting watch and the Frankness squares and the
homie homie from Bunny Honter.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
He flagged me down. He was like, he was like
dj Ya pulled over. He was like, man, why should
running around talk about you gonna SLAYO when you see y'all.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
So we had a we had a showcase at the
Glam Slam with all the roofless artists and then while
we inside, we in the back, they was like shugging
him coming through the gate, you know what I'm saying.
So we're like, okay, So we walk outside shug Doctor
Dre and the bodyguards and a few other people.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
They all at the bar.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
We walked and tapped Sugar on the shoulder like what's up?
Like pust the slappers when you see us or something.
He was like, no, I like you little niggas man,
what y'all drinking? And then that's how we dre was
like right next to ship he had us. He had
his like his hand on the barn like this with
his elbow, and I came and kind of like didding
like that and got next to Shug, you know what

(27:39):
I mean. But that was the only little you know
what I'm saying, The only little run is we had
him with him. It was never really nothing. It never
got crazy besides the golf course.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thing that you've seen. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
that was that's crazy, man. You know what Nate was against.
Nate used to like them pistols too.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we all did it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I believe back in then, everybody kept kept a piece
of steel.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah right, yeah, them thing was crucial, man. You know
you did You didn't really know. It's like, you know,
coming from where we come from, too, bro, you know,
copping was on fire like in the nineties. You know
what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, dealing with the
rap shit that was. That was like Kitty I was
kinnyguarding to us, you know what, I'm saying when it
came to that, because it seemed like once I met

(28:25):
them and I seen that that it wasn't really about that.
I was like, Okay, this ship just music for real,
you know what I'm saying. Because people could have gotten
hurt if you think about it. It was a lot
of money. Sure, got a lot of money. Easy had
a lot of money. Them niggas had gases over there.
It was gases over there with us. So you know,
if it was.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
That serious, people would have really got laid out, you
feel what I'm saying. And it just wasn't really that.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Once I realized that, I wasn't really pressing it as hard,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
That that's before we met him and seeing what they
was about. You know, a lot of that probably was
just entertainment, man. Just good it was, because like you said,
somebody could have got hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I'll tell you that's the one thing about the podcast today.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
But I'm starting to see a lot of this stuff man,
that goes on online.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
All the antics. Yeah, it's called entertainment.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Ain't nobody really out there looking for no smoke like that?
I don't think shit.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
You shouldn't be bro Listen, man, if you are, if
you famous, you know what I'm saying, everybody know where
you are. And then today everybody is on camera all day,
every day. Why would you be putting yourself in that
predicament to be hurt? Like, have fun with the shit,
make your money in fucking go to sleep at night comfortable,
you know what I mean. Like it's just dumb to
be tripping about stupid shit, Like when you got a

(29:39):
camera on you all day twenty four seven, you just
setting yourself up a failure at the end of the day.
Now that's a different GIF. And then you've given the
craft a bad name. Not too because we trying to
sustain this shit and you see it's it's you know,
it's it's. It's been taken to a place where it's
not even an understanding. Yeah, and motherfuckers are missing missing

(30:05):
the days of when records were simplified to niggas, niggas
told stories and niggas made good records and you understood
that made you feel good. Nowadays, majority of what you
hear is unnecessary shit niggas trying to get on. So
you know, the object of the day right now is

(30:25):
letting me dis a nigga or let me start static
and ship.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
It's sad because you know, like I said, these young
people and then you got you got, you got the
grown fools that's on the internet too. It's kind of
staring and ship on. You know what I'm saying as opposed. Yeah, man,
it's like they steering the youngsters in the wrong direction.
It's like, man, it's enough for everybody.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
The Internet is opened up the world and everybody. You
can be a nobody and get on this motherfucking blow up.
Whether you do music, whether you do content, whatever it is,
you become that. But you know that don't mean you
got to step on somebody's toes to do it, you.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, we saw yeah thrust the White for example, right,
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I gave Charleston White his first shot. Man. Remember he
used to come on the show eight early on.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, I remember James on the show. Yeah, you know
he was on the show early on. Man, Now do
that dude. I kind of knew man that he had
a certain lived with genius to him. I just didn't
know if it could be controlled could be controlled.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
You feel what the dude really will say, what effy
is on his mind.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
One thing that I figured out about him because he
even said it, he said it so many times and
I was just like, okay, his whole thing when he turned.
He said, when the camera come off of him, he
become a character. That's just that's the character that he become,
you know what I'm saying. And that character can go
to any extreme that that he wanted to take, you
know what I'm saying. But when he's not on there,
he's not He's not that person. From what this is,

(31:59):
what came out of is oh up. And I figured
the fact that that's what people know him for. I
guess he's gonna stick with it and that's how he's
gonna ride it on out.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
He's actually a real he's actually a really cool dude.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
He seemed like he actually really a cool dude, man.
And that's like the thing with him. He's actually really intelligent.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Too, I could tell. I've heard, I've heard, Yeah, he
has above average intelligence, man. And he's very he's very
well versed in politics. Man.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
He really loved the kids. He threw a lot of
stuff for the kids down there for work. A whole
lot of you know, we've had the opportunity to do
stuff with him. He's had me and ad involved and stuff,
and he, you know, he does his thing. That's why
I don't have nothing bad to say about Charleston man,
because he's always backing up.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
You know, people that did try to.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Pressure for whatever he did, they kind of cut the
bad end of the of the situation, you know, because
he will show you.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
He will make you with He will make you with
some bear spray. You know, he like they pray pray.
Souldis boy in him up.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
So he's definitely serious about what he says and he
will stand on what he says.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean, he's a he's a ground ass man. He should.
You know, he's making a lot of money now exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
You find out a way, like I said, if you
a motherfucker coming, you a motherfucking them dead time and
you coming out and you see what the world is
offering right now, and yeah, motherfuckers with content and cameras
and social media and all I gotta do is piss
a couple of people off and it's gonna turn into.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's a niggas man.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, it knew hustle for niggas, just like we
all got into the rap game. Everybody said it was
the dope game or whatever. That's the ship. Now for
podcasts and the ship. Everybody won't do a podcast or
some content because.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
It looks like it's to get rich quick skin and
especially you know how to hustle it. You give me.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's just I did like a nigga who know how
to get cook up some rocks and shit, keep rustling
and flipping and hustling and flipping.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I know what to do. You fear me. The niggas
just ain't good at it.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
But if I got to do is piss off a
couple of people, say a couple of words and shit,
and then get in a couple of confrontations with niggas
that I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I'm gonna call nine one one quickly. Yeah, anything, You
just got to exploit your talents, you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Say so much motherfucking interest from the outside world that
people there, whether you love it or hate it, they're
not gonna get enough of it. So now I'm tune
in to this motherfucker. Every time a motherfucker is posted
somewhere or on the radio on the internet posting a
video or what. I got to tune in because I

(34:50):
got to know what stupid shit a nigga is saying
this week.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, yeah, you just heard me think about your your
homie Rich. You would tell me every time that Rich
would call you a boust some whenever he saw some
antics on one.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
It's just it's just people are some people are fascinated
by that ship. A lot of this ship is entertaining
until I ain't gonna lie, like this shit keep me going.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
When I get back on YouTube, I find a lot
of goofy ship to look at the game and ship.
It will keep your motherfucking lass like all day. You'll
just be like, it's some crazy on the internet, like
it is.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
It is. It's some, it's some.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It's some good ship you can learn from as well. Yeah,
just all foolishness either, you know what I'm saying. There's
some people on here speaking about history. Some it's some
deep ship that I've been learning from people learning about things,
even about Compton. This ship about Compton that you know,
being born and raised over there, that I didn't fucking
know about.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know what I'm saying that I'm just.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Now learning, like, like you know ship like that. There's
a lot of ship, you know everything, But I think
I think the foolishness get the most attention, you know
what I'm saying, because people just yeah, people just like
stupid ship.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
For whatever reason, you love stupid ship.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
And that's why I said, with the hole me Rich
Rich loved some crazy shit or I saw two bitches fighting,
or I saw this or that or black blah.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
He loved that type of shit. It kept for the nigga.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Just go with and I'll be like, man, why you
watch that type of shit? You know, Like nigga's interesting
in me. You see business. I like what I like
what Country Wayne is doing, Like how Country Raine just
pretty much started like a soap opera, you know what
I'm saying. Like he started just making these little scenarios
with him, started with him and his family and probably

(36:33):
his neighbors. And now he got he shouldn't content in
like four or five different states with different people, and
they just making these little scenarios, whether it's love triangles,
whether it's you know what I'm saying, These these two
hood niggas like so called having a big but I
nigga eating off that shit bro eating Country Wayne.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
You be watching this shit, y'all.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Hill tell you, yeah, I'll fuck with Country Winning And
I'm gonna tell you I'll fuck with Sharp's white man.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I fuck with Country Wayne.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I'm gonna tell you are really like I'm going to
the script writing the artsy stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like I love Big Job. I don't know if you
hit the big shot to do big Guy. I fuck
with this ship. Have you seen him, mate? Yeah? He
is really good at what he does. Man. I think
he just got a situation with Tuby too.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I've been like, I've been really rocking with him, man
for probably like the past five years. That's what I've
been because I was like, man, I don't really want
to get into that part of the game. You feel
what I'm saying, Like, you know, creating stuff and doing
stuff have some creating creative baggs to it. Because anybody
come on the next fool you feel me?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I think you know, like for people in the hood,
they can do the same thing, just you know, just
down't incriminate yourself, you know what I'm saying, Like leading
the ship that the illegalist parts out of it, but
the same scenarios.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You can.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
We can be doing the same ship, bro, motherfuckers sitting
in the hood right now ain't doing nothing. They could
pus some cameras out, put put all the bash it
away and then you know what I'm saying, Dude, that
ship how the smoker walk in out, you know, dashing
all the goofy ship that you see in the hood.
You know what I'm saying, Homies arguing, bagging on each other,
like people would be entertained by that shit as well.
I'm saying, you just gotta use real life scenarios with

(38:12):
a lot of this content as well, and just make
it funny or making interest in you know, I think it's.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
One of the big job stuff cracked off because I
think he was using real life situations and just you know,
we're gonna make a skill out of this, Like you know,
like everybody's girl eat their food all the time. You
ask your girl if you want something and they gonna
tell you no, and they you feel what I'm saying,
right right, of course you're quite that those are real
life scenarios. I tell you, man, who hit a big

(38:38):
lick man? Them cats from Detroit, Man, They was on
hood film stuff. Early.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think that's what we mess up that out here
because we're so close to Hollywood, we think everything has
to have a big bunsh behind it. They were just
out there the fuck it, were gonna get a few
at the homies. We gonna shoot a movie. Yeah, that's
what it's. This No cat here in Vegas from Cleveland.
We've been fucking with him doing that same shit out here.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
So we got a whole little a little series coming out,
like a six part series coming out real soon called
pre Lessons.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's hard and it's probably gonna do will too. I'm
gonna chid with that stuff that always does really good man.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, it's it's smart, bro.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's like, come on, bro, like all the stories that
you know, all the things you've been through in your life,
if you just change the names, you know what I'm saying, Like,
especially off, it's bushy, change the names, change the little
scenarios in the situation, man, and shoot that shit.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
This shit is interesting. Everybody got a story, brow and
we got multiple stories throughout our lives that we could
tell and turn into some fucking content, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Like or one hundred percent, I don't know what, I
got a homie man named a d me and them
playing ball together, right, and yeah, he works for a
guy man. Uh the dude that do that showed the
baddies the Zoos Network. He works with the Zoos Netwhek
he they had a security Okay, he'd been with them
since the beginning. Man, he'd been with them, he said,

(40:03):
dude started that company with five hundred dollars man, see
what I'm saying, started to cut with five hundred dollars. Man,
And when bought the camera man and uh, I guess
he had got some people that pupt some money initially, right,
and asked him Orthros and he put the app out,
you know, drafted man, and it was like a flop.
It was a massive flock because he found out people

(40:24):
had like fake Instagram pages.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
And all that. There wasn't no real influences, right, Yeah,
he gave up right there.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But he went eventually and he got with some real influence,
you know, the Jossling chick and all of them. And
it started slowly, like going up his investios kind of
stage with him was like you know what, you know,
we're gonna do something different this time. And he kind
of revamped the shit.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, I think he's worth half a billion dollars now, man, dang. Yeah,
particularly off that they're doing big productions they like he said, Man,
we started off doing really small stuff. They go all
over the world now to film that batty stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, I been, I've been there being some of the
some of the girls like that. They just had the
one in the Caribbean, the Caribbean Baddies Aside. Just interviewed
one of them on my podcast, one of the females
from there.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, that sh it is doing. That shit is doing well. Man.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
That nigga smart you know, Yeah, he's smart, man, and
he kept it like e Din do an air revelue.
He does a subscription. I think people pay seven dollars
a month or something like that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Because rich, that's where you want to get a little member. Yeah,
that's where you want to get to. Like what I guess,
I don't know. I don't really know, Like I don't
know all the wording for it. But once you get
your you know, if you get your dot com or whatever, man,
it's like you want them. Some script subscriptions is where
the money out, you know what I'm saying. For sure,
that's where the money out.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
You got to think about it like this, Man, if
you can get you ten thousand people, right, they will
ten dollars a month, right, brother.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I made with five ninety dollars. Yeah. Shit, if it's
web ninety nine. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
He start something. There's some good money.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Man, if you have an audience, if you could build
an audience, Man, I know some people. Man, right now,
I knew some podcast is right h. I don't know
if they're still doing the show, but real early on
the name of they had a video game podcast. They
maybe had like four to five thousand hardcore fans and
people would pay like six dollars a month to go

(42:24):
in there and get closed and talk about the different
games and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And they made a pretty decent living off of that.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Man, off having a five thousand, five thousand people are
sucking what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
That's not even a whole bunch of people broke.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, that's dope, man, that's smart as hell. Y'all make
y'all making me think just even talking about this, se y'all,
I'm getting idea right out. You got shipped that interest
people like I said, Daddy, shit, it wasn't nothing but
them just putting bitches in the room and letting them
stract with each other. That we had a million people interested.

(42:57):
Like your only rich was a faithful subscriber. Romie was
on that wasn't faithful subscribed nigga, he was giving up
his five ninety nine faithful every month. All this bitch
scrapped with this bench. Today, all these two bitches got
out and woke. He wop in that and like I said,

(43:18):
they and this it whatever whatever. Like I said, you
got that could keep people's interests and you could charge
subscriptions for it, because people when they become lawyer fans,
they gonna follow your ship. And for the fuck the
nigga paid fine ninety nine a month to watch this ship.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
People gonna be like, fuck it.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, brough Homie took me up there to the They
had something up with the Universal Studios, man, not the Universe,
actual Universal Studios. They was filming an episode up there, right,
and they had all of these girls. They had audience
that came. Man, there were hundreds of girls that showed
up off their dog and trying to feel the show.
They were trying to spread with people like people from

(44:00):
the audience was trying to jump on things to fight
the girls.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Man, that's crazy. Was crazy, man.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I saw the one girl that one of them girls
watched the girl that was an audience like put tips
on a real quick because they want to get on though.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
They think that's how they go get on. Shit.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
If all were like, I gotta go work, then them
bitches don't get with fuck because they like Nigga instant
you get me, that would be and so fuck it,
especially a young bro too nineteen twenty, like nigga please,
I Finnah jump up here.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
And throw hands.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Man, we will see my daughter right there doing that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Man, you can't be surprised, you know what I'm you
do it.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
You can't be surprised, bro, because that shit is you know,
whether we like it or not, that shit is very
influential to the young people.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Man, you know what I'm saying. And you can't really
can't even be mad. I'm sure if they.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
They try to go after a certain car a theory
of female of course.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Like you say.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
And still if I'm a hard working man at home
and I got seventeen eighteen nineteen year old daughter, I
would have hoped that I would be in the position
that her motherfucking lifestyle would be reflected on how I
raised her as different than you know. It may be
a single parent home that I come from, and you know,

(45:27):
and they feeling like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That, you get me.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
But there's some females too who might just get caught
up in the celebrity bug and feel like, I want
to be fucking famous. You give me that and then something,
and I of them just think they tough. You know
what I'm saying, guy, I think they bad already. So
they think they could have gone there and what everybody out.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, you have female ain't not to play with. You
know what my daughter told me one day. I was
looking at that Rick Ross's baby mama. You know she
got a podcast over there, right.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, I'll be saying that shit, man.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I see her something that my daughter said, Auntie gonna
get you. Auntie t gonna get you, say her she
gonna bring you on and smoke.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I said, what.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I worried about her? She said, Dad, I'm serious, you
better leave her alone. And I said, Wow, they really
they really got these kids thinking they like that.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, these kids as wild, bro, these kids wild as
hell man, Like, you know, you got a lot to
contend with as a parent. You know what I'm saying.
With social media? You know what I'm saying today social
media works the TV. You know what I'm saying, Ma,
every TV. We only had some few channels. Now we
got the whole world at our fingertips. And it's like,
you know, like you say, if you busy, you at work,

(46:48):
you handling money, making money for your family, how you
really got time to really watch your kids and know
what the fuck they into? You know, they go to school,
they got a lot of friends they influenced by. They
got the neighbors down the street. You know what I'm saying.
They got their cousins, the apples, man, you.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Know what I mean. You've got girls. They got a
phone in.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Their hand, the fucking phone bro where they could be
twenty four hours, just just.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Anything and whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
You can find, whatever you think of, you can google.
And you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, so you
man with.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
The only fans and all that, No, you got girls, man,
that's probably they ring with their phone making shippers.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Man, you got a whole bunch and gut two or.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Three thousand subscribers got two or three niggas, two or
three thousand niggas, give them ten dollars every morning.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Goddamn right, like a good a good looking woman with
a nice body. Bro, that's easy, he's saying, that's the
easiest ship. That's a lot of them resulting to it,
because exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
That didn't matter. You got to move. I could stay
right here, don't even know my room. Like, we could
be a young female. Litle niggas be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Niggas that you'll be able to They still look good,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Do you a nigga? Fuck it? I could do it too. Shit,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
They got the old G females, they got the ol
G females. This is this one to be on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
To be walking around with her roll up on.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Their titties, all all this stuff. Man, I was like
man and got a bunch of young niggas follower.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, you know, young niggas hardy man. I used to
be a little forty young nigga too. If I was
sixteen seventy, I'd probably be looking at her my dad'self,
you know what I mean. She she had bought a
good forty five o G.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yeah, shit, that that really ain't even old today. Forty
five was old when I was young, like forty five.
Oh that's not old. I did my eyes. Hell no shit,
she so.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
So you got a podcast.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, it's called BG Knockout TV. It's it's a media company.
But I started with the podcast though. Yeah that's hard.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Man. You walked there in Vegas now.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, I've been here for about shit going up damn
in twenty years.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
What made you shoot up there? You got tired of
the city.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, bro, just trying to grow, trying to grow and
get away from the bushit. You know what I'm saying,
I can't being compting, bro, with my face and you
know what I'm saying, like reputation in the hood and
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know, I'm Muslim, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
So I just I just want to go somewhere I
ain't gotta really be worried about too much.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You know what I'm saying. I can come and kind
of be myself, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
The homie Little Sody told me rest in peace.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't know if you knew Little Sody. No, Saudi
was my dog. Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Only Man, you just made me just thinking about them
almost third crying dog, because that was one of the
things he told me.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
He had moved to Vegas, right, he said.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
He said, big bro, I don't have to walk around
with my pistol out here. I can just be a
regular person. He said, I'm like to be a regular person.
I reacting f out here. And he came back here.
Dog go to his hood. They and died going back
to Vegas. Dog, But I know about the situation. Dog, Yeah,
that's my boy, I cried, Man. And this motherfucker dog,

(49:57):
I said, Man, it's a dude. And he just won
his little little loss thing. Yeah, from the stuff that
happened with this kid. Man, And it was like, man,
he was trying to get out this bullshit. Though he
got away.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yep, you got it. You got too, man.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Like a lot of times for us, we got to
leave that environment because you know, if you're there, you
obligated to whatever's going on around there. You know what
I'm saying. If there's something happened, you know what I'm saying.
You are part of it. You know what I'm saying,
whether you like it or not. So in order for you,
you know, if you're trying to leave that lifestyle. You
know you're getting older. You know you ain't young at agile,
and you probably ain't even mentally there no more. You

(50:33):
know what I'm saying. So the best thing to do
for me, in my opinion, is lead. You know what
I'm saying, get away from it. I still love the homies.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I love them. I sceniment here and there, but I'm
not That's not what I'm into. Bro. I don't want
my kids to follow that shit.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I don't want my little cousins and nieces and nephews
that think it's cool. You know what I'm saying, because
I ain't got nothing but hurd of misery from that shit.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Bro. A bunch of dead homies.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
You know what I'm saying that I'd rather see still
alive during their life with their kids and they family.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like that ship is. That shit is pitiful? Bro?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know, Yeah, you grow as a person, man, You grow, man,
I'm gonna tell you the worst thing in the world. Man,
it's to stay staged and not grow.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, Bro.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
You start seeing gray hair in your head and your eyes,
your face and you're still over there with that ship
like some ain't right, like mentally in my opinion, like you,
you know what I'm saying, Maybe it wasn't meant for
you to really mature as a as a person act.
You know, m niggas don't want the mature. That's unfortunate.
You're getting me some some of the some of some
niggas feel like, you know, this is the only walk

(51:37):
of life and don't want to experience ship more.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, we used to say to that. We used to
say to the casket drop.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Some niggas really went all the way with you.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know what I'm saying. When I got older, I'm like, shit,
I don't know about that. Like I had to reverse
that little thought because I used to say that shit too,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
But like Hill, No, you know what I mean, after
after you saying so much. You know, I think when
you get taken out the environment, you can see it
for what it is. I think that's what happened for me,
you know, because when you're there, you kind of swallow,
you kind of you know, you kind of engulfed by it.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
You can't really see it, you can't see the other side.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
But when I think once you get removed from it,
you able to look at it from a distance and
be like, damn.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Like, what the fuck is what the fuck are we
thinking about over there? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
That's real, Yeah, that's real. You When did you decide?
When did you turn moves?

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Around two thousand, I was in prison. So what happened
was I went to prison. I went to jail ninety seven,
hit the yard in ninety eight, and by two thousand,
two thousand, well, I kept going to the hole steady,
getting into it, fucking up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
And I got a date. You know what I'm saying.
It's a lot of homies in jail. Then you had
no hope, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Back there, and I'm like, shit, if I want to
get the fuck up out of here, I got to
make some changes cause I'm acting the same way I
was on the street in jail, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
So the last time I went to the oh man,
I just took a deep breath.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I came to the yard and I just stood in
front of my building and I just looked at everybody
how they was acting and behaving.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
And the only people that I seen smiling and have
books and.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Shit it was the Musclims, you know what I'm saying,
And they all ex game members, niggas, tatted tat it
all up in the face, just look looked like ordinary niggas.
But they just you know, they was striving to make
a change in their life. I just start working out
with them, having conversations, running, you know what I'm saying,
just fucking around with them every day.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
They all ex cripts, all ex di moves, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
And the more and more I hung around them, they
just was opening me up to different things. I would
challenge them a lot because I was raised as a Christian,
so they were stays in the Bible that I you know,
I say to them, and then they'll pume back with
some other shit.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I was like, I never saw that before. So I
go called.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I'll get on the phone and call my mom because
my mama was heavy into the church. I'm like, Mama,
actual preacher about this. And then sh'd come back and
tell me something. I was like, that shit didn't really
make sense, you know what I mean. And so the
more and more I hung with them, and the more
and more of my understandings start growing. And then I
just I went to the moss one time and I
took my shote and I've been listening for twenty five
years now.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Oh wow, man, congratulations. Man.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I went, I was ought to Dubaye with how many
big sight rest in peaks? And we was car man
and the karent pulled over the side of the road.
Man that people got out put the little man start praying.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
This, praying yes sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And I was like, and this the concrete. It's hot
out there, bro its It's Middle East. It's hot out there,
right dar, you rain down man, they have be up
their meal. And I was like, man, what is going on?
I didn't know what he was about to do when
he pulled over, man, but everybody kind of pulled over.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
And again that's how it is.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
That's the reason why I told you to change it
from four to five, because I had to do my
prayer too, you know what I mean. So I've been
praying five times a day, five time plus. Usually I
do about seven or eight. But for twenty five years straight, bro,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Man, it's obviously had a positive impact. Man, I'll tell you, man,
I've seen bro, the guys joining the ne man of
you know, turning a Muslim.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Man.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I've seen, man, seen a lot of real hardcore brothers
man change their lives around.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Man. Yeah, so it's really see about that.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I'm talking about dudes who were I never thought with Yeah,
I thought, actually the dude I was telling you about
earlier about.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Le Lean is a Muslim mam man. Yep, yep. I
seen some dudes, bro.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Like when I got to the pin Bro, I just
couldn't believe my eyes when I ran across certain thing.
I was like, you two, like wait a minute, Like
that's what made That's what makes me know. Like it's
a lot of little things, like you know, some people
need a lot of evidence for something to know that
it's real. To me, be taking small subtle things, you
know what I'm saying, Like for God to show me

(55:45):
that you know what I'm saying, He's showing me something
that you know what I'm saying, that confirmed what I believe,
you know.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
What I mean? Right, yeah, yea yeah, man, God is
very real, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Not to get into the whole religion, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we all suffered from the consequences man, of what we
do in this life.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
That's a fact, especially if you don't repent. If you
don't repent, for sure, if you repent, you might have something.
You might have something, you might have some hope. But
if he just walking through life thinking that you can
just do whatever live however, and you ain't never asking
for forgiveness and you ain't never trying to forgive others,
then you're gonna have a hell.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Of a time on that other side, you know. Yeah, man,
So what's your YouTube channel?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
That's BG Knockout TV. It's just like that BG Knockout TV. Yep,
BC not on TV. Yeah, man, we about get eight
podcast going. Man stash spock Okay for sure, I told
you height we need to do it like that's not
do this stuff. He should be on that line. Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna look into it and ship.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I gotta think a man I hate is a triple
triple triple man like wow is a triple triple Oh.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
People look with if he on their live answer and
that's what I'm Joe Buddens. You don't have to have
no guests on that. He just on their talking makes
on that.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Just jumped on.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Especially he wanted a few people from the hip hop
community that got in it so early. Like I think
he just got the advantage on everybody because he jumped
in at the early time when people, you know, weren't
even thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
You know what I'm saying, were trying to play ketch up.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Now, Man, I'm gonna tell you what we need to
start doing this old jeans. We don't do it enough,
linking up and doing stuff and having conversations.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Right, everybody is over here doing this and they're doing that.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
If you see all them young niggas, man, they can't
get it back a little Onmie, some back on Fig.
It's like either not they just talking the ships.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Right right right, we start having them conversations for the ogs,
you know, and for the over the years, man, because
there's a lot of stuff that need to be talked
about now that people really don't talk about.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
You know what I mean? I got it?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I agree, yeah hundred percent. You gotta have some wisdom
about this. So what's your what's your program up? Like?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
When is your episode come out?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I usually drop on me. If I shoot on Friday,
I'll have them out by Monday. So I shoot every
Friday from like from nine to eleven in between nine
and eleven every Friday, because I got a studio in
there as well, so I'll be doing music and all
that shit up in there.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
So that's why I was going to ask, you, man,
what's up with the music?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Man? Now, I'm just trying to Right now, I'm just
trying to make the right I'm trying to make the
right shit, because it's like when I came home, I
was just doing shit, happy to be out, you know
what I'm saying, figuring it out because in jail, I
wasn't writing raps. I wasn't even really thinking about that
shit in jail, you know what I'm saying. I was
in there just surviving and trying to keep my head
off straight, and I was going to college and all that.
But coming home, I was just happy to be out

(58:41):
bro back in the studio, trying to find my groove again.
Right now, I'm trying to be masterful with what I
The next thing that I put out, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I wanted to kind of make it make sense, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I wanted to be a little bit more effective as
supposed to just putting shit out just for the sake
of dropping shit.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, before we go off, I'm gonna ask you about
this because just go to the theme that me and
Hate been talked about over the past few episodes. Mm hm,
being a og repping, do you think we have a
responsibility to come with a certain type of material? Not really,
not really, bro, I think I think it's what I think.
It's where you have mentally, you know what I'm saying.
Usually to me, Like for myself, I'm gonna just use myself.

(59:21):
Like what I speak about is either it's something that
I'm into. It's either why I'm not mentally, or.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Just what I like. You know what I'm saying. So
I believe you do what you like to do, like
really honestly direct that I like.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
It's like in w A, I like, I like, I
like social content, I like, I like what fucking fifty
cent dead Like fifty cent to me is like murder music.
You know what I'm saying, It's like I like that shit, right, Michael, Yeah,
that's what I came from in w A.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
You know what I'm saying. MC eight. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Copts most more than king T, you know, they had
they had good content and shit too that they talked about.
But the ship that they spoke about was just like
I would get. I would say, it's like a part
of who I am. It's not the whole person to me,
but it's just like a person that's inside of me.
Like the shit that just like my ears like to
hear that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You know what I'm saying. It resonates with me what
we grew up on. So it grew up on you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, so I believe you make what you like. I
just think people need to know that it's just music.
Don't fucking go try to live it, you know, like
it got to be that. It's like when we watch
a movie, right, you know, we used to watch the
kaw Fu Theater on the weekends, you know what I'm saying.
Then every nigga went they got karate shoes from Zodi's
and shit like that. You know what I'm saying. It
came outside. It was trying to do karate on each other.

(01:00:34):
But it's like, I think people need to just understand separated. Look, man,
it's just music. They don't mean they don't mean that,
you know what I'm saying. Whatever I tell you in
the song, don't mean you gotta go out it fucking
become the fucking character in the music, right, You know
what I'm saying. I think that's what a fine line
is at for for us, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
But I first me, I'm a rap. What I like,
what I like? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'll say, as long as you type man, as long
as your craft is steal eight one. Yeah, I don't
have no problem with me. I don't care for dude
sixty man as long is he tight man, as long
as he you know what I'm saying, long as he
ain't up here on no bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah yeah, bro, Like I don't it don't it ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
No age, len don't look and make music. Brother, I
don't agree with none of that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Ship. I don't think you gotta be a youngster.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I know the youngsters don't get more attention because it's
you know, it's just like the young people are more
energetic and they like, they like, they like to see
shit that they can relate to. So I understand why
they think it's a young man's game and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
But I believe man, like you said, man, if you
gifted man, make that make that music. Man, you don't
know who might like. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I definitely think it's a it's a Margaret for it, man,
Like I think, like, hey, this album coming up, man,
I think it's some of the best work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
He don't done. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You know I'm just started hearing that too. You know,
I would like to hear a piece he knockout album. Man,
it's a whole. I can't wait to hear King T
is doing something like I can't wait to hear King
T do this thing. Thought Teela was hard, man. They said,
Biggie Small's got his float from Tela. Yeah, he said
that out of his own mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Biggie said that out of his own mouth that he
was a fan of Teela back in the day. But
you know, I used to see teelor right his music, man,
like in the eighties, and shit, he used to live
in the neighborhood. I used to be right there in
his house when he was doing the Active Food album,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, Yeah, Keen T is like herod it man. We
gotta get we gotta get tea on. I talked to
Tela a couple of times and told her he said, yeah,
I'm gonna come on, just hit me up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Man. I gotta really hit him up and make that happen. Man.
We we do that with King T. We have to
sit down with him. Man. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You know we're gonna get up out of here. Man,
y'all make sure man, y'all gon hit the home Boys channel.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Man, he knock out exactly. Y'all get it? Thenfess every Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna going to get
you know, the Lincoln put it over in our description,
So y'all click you know people lazy dog.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I know, bro, you gotta have it right there form.
If we don't do that, ye yep. I appreciate y'all
for having me man. Thank y'all. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
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