Bo Rock Talk's Snoop Laughing @ Pac Getting Hit/ The Clown Era

Tonight we sit down with the homies Bo Rock from the Dove Shack and Westcoast Kam. Bo Rock gives us some tidbits on Snoop celebrating the night Pac & Suge got hit in Vegas, Kam and Bo Rock briefly debate religion before Steele interjects. It's just 3 homies kicking it tonight. We talk about living in the clown era, the mighty FOI  and much more

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, all right, all right, this is another episode
of Against the Chronicles podcast, and you know what, I'm
gonna go right into it. I got the homies, Man,
West Coast cam in here, man, and my homeboy boat Rock,
Homie boat Rock. What's cracking fellas?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh? Man, you got it with us? Still? What up
bout rock?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Going on with y'all, brothers, Man, Blessings to y'all, man.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Man, blessings on top of blessings.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know what, I always get real happy when I
have y'all because we talk off air so much. Man.
You know, I'm like, Man, I'm gonna get the homies
on coming and sit down on the show tonight. Because
you know, eight is running around now here in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, I told him.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I told him. I said, we're gonna go ahead and
knock this out there. Man, while you're going to run
around and stuff, damn adiness, I'm gonna get I'm gonna
get right into it.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Do it seem like the whole world is going crazy
out of y'all?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Of course, the world the world being crazy, But you're
saying something specific specific crazy crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't see it going crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
What is already been crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Here, Well, you know what it go ahead, you got it?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I mean, I mean, just in the times that we're
living in. You know what I'm saying that the world
is crazy. But you know what I mean when I
say the world, my focal point be more so on
on my people and what me and my people is
doing and how me and my people is living and
my people is going crazy. You know what I'm saying
when I look at when I look at it, when

(01:28):
I look at the brothers that's being caught up in
the system, When I look at all these brothers that's
dying behind rap beefs and all this street by this
this new form of street violence. You know what I'm saying,
this new form of the way they acting out, you
know what I'm saying, lost their minds. Brother, I mean,
it's it's gone crazy. We got we got young black

(01:49):
brothers going for clout and clicks. They going to another
brother's grave site. You know what I'm saying, and disrespected that.
When have we ever win? Has like this ever transpired,
you know in our community to where we was just
at that level of just being banana. So you know,
I don't think we're going crazy. I think We've been

(02:11):
crazy for a long long ass time. There is time
that we get it together.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah. And what it is, man, people out here really
going all out kind of in a real way. People
is doing anything for social currency right now. We we
just in this era of man where people are just
doing anything they possibly can. I mean, it's to the point, dog,
if a dude can knock his mama out and camera
and get a million views, he's gonna do it.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, because they think that I mean, you know, that
translates to money in social in an age of social media.
You know, clicks and views mean dollars and cents. So
if we worship in the bag, that's the way to
get it.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
All money is good money to you know, to money worshipers.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it is, you know. And the thing is with
the Internet, man, I tell people all the time, anything
you do or say on this on this computer, it's
gonna be around forever. I don't care how much you
try to delete and how much you try to get
rid of stuff. Like you know, recently, we just saw
that the well known celebrity got kind of tripped over
his own tongue, you know, caught up saying some you know,

(03:17):
he said some stuff and it kind of came back
to bite him in his ass.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
You know, well what well known celebrity you know, but you.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Know the whole thing. You know that, y'all know what
I'm talking about, bro, You know the whole thing with
Snoop He calling people coons and everything else. Man, And
you know he wound up up there the Trump Dance.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, first, first, first, and foremost.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Can you turn your mic up barely get here?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah? Yeah, first and foremost he was at he was
at a crypto party. Okay, he was at a crypto
party that was in honor of Donald Trump. True enough
to a thing. Number two. You gotta remember something when
he talked all that shit, that was Snoop Dogg talking ship.
That was DJ Snooper Delic dj U at the ball

(04:10):
over there. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That was.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
You feel what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's two different
people right there, you know, two different hold two different
costs of booking and everything. But the problem with that
is is that we as a people are so quick
to judge each other, We so quick to call each

(04:35):
other out on things, We so quick to bottom line,
want to see one of us fall and tear each
other down, you know, to where people will take you
know what I'm saying, words that somebody said four five
years ago, and and and try to destroy them now,
whereas as if people don't have the right to change

(04:58):
their minds.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Or anything in a real way, in a real way.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Now I'm not now now, I'm not speaking directly on
his situation. You know what I'm saying. I'm just talking
about in general, how we as our people are towards
each other now, so in.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
A real way, we can't wait to destroy the brother.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, now, in his particular situation, in the first I
feel four years ago he was wrong for even making
that video. He was there for making the video four
years ago whenever he made it, you know what I'm saying,
taking that stance and doing whatever he was doing. And
at the same time, you know, having this man be
behind or at the time getting behind releasing somebody that

(05:39):
you considered was a friend and a business partner in
Harry Yo, you know what I'm saying, and he partnered him,
and at the same time, you know, you turn around,
F him, F this, F Dad, anybody doing this, and
honestly too before I closed let me land with this.
I do not feel that celebrities in particular who have

(06:04):
not been, let me say, taking the stance that brother
Cam has taken for all his career to where he's
always been politically conscious, He's always been religiously conscious, he's
always been black conscious, he's always been community conscious. I
don't feel outside of brothers like him who have displayed

(06:28):
this pattern over a time period, I don't think we
need to take just the average rapper or celebrities saying
something for face value, because again, like the brother said,
a lot of times, they just talking for clicks and likes,
you know what I'm say, Because clicks and likes equals dollars.
So they just say the first thing out their mouth
that they think will get them a lot of likes,

(06:50):
get them thinking they'll get a lot of cliques, think
they'll get them in a certain realm with the general
public or the general consensus on things, you know, and
not even really be feeling that way in their heart
about certain things. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, that's the real And that's why I said what
I said, Man, I don't and Cam, you know the
stans I take, Man, I'm never wanted to go in
to tear somebody down for what they what they might
have said. And I think I feel exactly like you
do the bull Rock. I feel like the politics ain't
your thing. You shouldn't really have an opinion exactly if

(07:28):
you don't know what you're talking about. Most are not
informed exactly.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, let's talk about the word tear down. Who said
tear down?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well, you know what.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I see everybody panel that's what That's what I guess
he's feeling. That's happening. I don't know if you've seen
his video that he posted.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, for sure, Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I've been doing content on it for the last two
or two or three days.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I don't bite my tongue, but if it's one thing
to say somebody, you know, quick to tear somebody down.
But the issue, the principal issue in warfare is rules
of engagement. So if somebody initiates the tear down and
you respond to the tear down, then I'm not guilty
of tearing you down. I'm responding to you tearing us down.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, I under that. I understand that point. But when
I was when I was speaking on that, I was
speaking in and in general, how we are or how
most times, our people are towards each other. We we
we we tend to rejoice, for lack of better words,

(08:46):
we tend to rejoice and celebrate and you know, rally
of all the truths when we do see one of
us falling, whether that person is falling in the right
or in the wrong, that's a whole different subject matter.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
What about if they rallied their troops to celebrate clowning
you and shaming you and pressuring you and sanctioning you,
and and uh.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, because that's an active ward. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
If I'm if I'm a rapper, and you know, I
don't look to Snoop or nobody else for for political advice,
you know what I'm saying. But if he uses his
global power to shame me and cancel culture me and
say if I if I go perform for such and
such that I'm this and I'm that, then then and

(09:36):
then you never clean it up, and then you wind
up doing it and don't offer no explanation or no
apology to the to the people that you that you
did like that, then it's fair game.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, brother Cam got a point, He got a point.
Bo bruh.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah. Again. My thing is the celebratory manner in which
a lot of times we respond to it. A lot
of times, like I said, whether right or wrong, let's
let's let's let's let's let's subtract whether the brother is

(10:13):
right or wrong, because I totally feel he was wrong.
I feel he wrong about a lot of stuff that
we do, you know, but in in in what I'm
speaking on in particular, is the way that we are
why the way we make it a situation to where

(10:35):
we want to compile and we want to sort of
gang up, you know, when things when we see one
of us falling or going through it. You know, a
lot of times, like I said, it's in a celebratory manner.
You know what I'm saying, It's not in the manner
of of empathy, you know, regardless of the rules of

(10:59):
engagement of war. You know, when I think of war,
you know, I think of enemies. When I think of war,
I think of people I want to destroy it. I
think of people I want to hurt. I think of
people who I want to get rid of rules of
engagement of war when I look at one of my people,

(11:22):
you know what I'm saying. No matter if they have blood,
no matter if they're crypt You know what I'm saying.
You know, the only I take that back, you know
what I'm saying, because I'm not gonna bite my tongue
when you swing in the other way. When you swing
in that way, I'm at war with you. I'm totally
at war with you. You know what I'm saying. If

(11:42):
you on the devil practices, I'm totally at war with
you because I'm a soldier of God. That's why I
got it tatted. Only God's soldier, you know. But in
any other instances, I don't view I don't view myself
of ever going to war with one of my own kinds.
You know, I went through that phase when I was
gang bang. I went through that phase, and I go

(12:04):
through that phase even now. You know what I'm saying
with our people. But I don't never want to get
to the point to where we feel that one of
our own is an enemy based on some words that
they said, or based on a stance that they took
once upon a time that they felt strongly about, or

(12:24):
they just mouthed off at the thing. Because I don't
even think he felt strongly about it when he said it.
I think he was just mouthing off to be popular
because YG had the song out Fuck Donald Trump with
Nipsey on there and all that stuff, and he was
just you know, wanting to be part of the bandwagon
and decide, you know what I'm saying, to make a
statement that he made, which you know he come to regret.

(12:45):
But I don't even think that was his stance in
the first place, because there wouldn't have been no correlation
between him Trump and getting Harry go out of jail.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
And I feel that. But like the brother Cam said,
when Snoop says something, see, Snoop has a certain amount
of reach, So whether he's serious or not, when he
says something, it can impact people like you can't you
know if you up there fronting on brothers because they're
going to go get the MCSHEK. Let's be real, a
lot of them dudes is just going to go pick
a bigshek.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well with big Steve, you know what. To be honest
with you, you know who I thought, I thought the
motherfuckers who would listen to a nigga like Snoop. How
I thought the mother I thought the people who would
take his advice and listen to a motherfucker like him.
You know I hold that. I hold that fought anybody

(13:33):
who turns to celebrities, even myself, for uh uh as
as political leaders or somebody to make the stance that
we make. That's not you know what I'm saying. If
that's not our lifestyle, you feel what I'm saying, not
for the blogs, not for the cameras. If it's not
our lifestyle to be about that, I thought anybody who

(13:56):
listened to a lebron you listen to an Oprah Winfrey,
I don't care what's out of the fish they on, Republican,
a Democrat, or whatever they is. If a person spends
their life worrying about their craft, about being a dope
ass actor, if I spend my days worrying about being
a type rapper or being a star or entertainer, I
don't spend my days looking at I don't spend my

(14:18):
days like a person who's who's really concerned about the
structure in the economic situation of my neighborhood. The people
like that, that's what their life work is. They work,
They wake up and they do research, and they try
to do things to benefit the community on a daily basis.
Not when it's convenient, not when the camera's in their face,

(14:40):
or not when they trying to get some more clicks,
likes and views. And ninety nine point nine percent of
the celebrities that are out there having opinions are not
really truly involved in community work, political work, or racial
work the way they try to make it, see when

(15:01):
they're pushing that record.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
But yeah, you know, speaking of clicks, likes and views, Man,
you had the internet on fire a couple of weeks ago, dog.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
About all about the Tupac thing.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, about the whole Tupac thing. Did you see that camp?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
No, No, what was he talking about?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, it's it's cool if I repeated it's already out there.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Bo, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
If I was telling about it. Oh yeah, So I
guess Boat was on there. He was on He was
doing the show with one of the guys down the road,
and he has spoke on Man, the night you know
that Tupac got shot, Tupac and should got shot that
the cast was in the studio celebrating.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't there, so I don't
know what the context of that, but you know, we
we do that.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
The conversation was basically based around, you know, a hypocritical behavior,
the same thing we're talking about now. It was just
in back then, but it didn't mean the conversation ended
up leading into that based on me just having a
regular conversation about something that wasn't the intent. It's just,
you know, when you're talking and it's truth involved something,

(16:12):
the truth just comes out because, you know what I'm saying,
you just having a conversation, and in the midst of
having a conversation about Baby Lane and me and Baby
Lane's relationship and what I felt about the whole Keathy
d situation. You know what I'm saying, somehow another I
end up on a subject matter of what actually happened
that day. You know what I'm saying, when it happened,
and I do remember very vividly, you know what I'm saying,

(16:37):
My nigga badass having you know, just being disgrunted. He
was like, he wasn't disgruntled. He was like on something
like damn, Like damn, damn. You know what I'm saying,
Because he had just made the call to a I
believe it it might have been Dazz. It might have
been Dazz, but I don't know who in particularly it was,

(16:58):
but they was all together. They was all together somewhere
watching the fight, you know what I'm saying, the Tyson fight.
And when the word came down about pot and Should
being shot because remember they at first said Should was
shot in the head too, though they thought he got
shot in the head too, it wasn't sad. It wasn't
a moment of grieving. It was a moment that certain

(17:19):
motherfuckers decided to celebrate and jump up and down and
cheer and was in the mind state of, oh, it's
all ours, it's all ards, it's all on there, It's
all on you feel what I'm saying. So it just,
you know, it just goes to show that that the
behavior that even we speaking on earlier on you know

(17:41):
what I'm saying, with in some instances it's just a
pattern behavior, you know what I'm saying, when when people
people act one way, say one thing, and and it
be a whole other thing, and and they be acting
a whole other way, you know what I'm saying behind
closed doors, or when they're around those who think they
you know what I'm saying, gonna keep the secrets, you.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Know, Yeah, And I think I can agree with with
a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
A lot of it got to.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Do with us being orphans basically, like not having no
real manhood training. We was, We was raised by single mothers,
you know what I'm saying. So rappers and entertainers and
actors and athletes was our role models, you know what
I'm saying. Or we was you know in the streets
and the homies was our was our fathers, our big

(18:30):
So either way, you know, we descend as the slaves
and we ain't. We ain't never had no real righteous
guidance and light and wisdom and nothing like that. So
you know, we got influenced by all of that. So
we do celebrate, you know, stuff that we shouldn't celebrate,
you know what I'm saying. We are, you know, immature
and childish and emotional, and especially if we feel like

(18:52):
we was victimized, you know, we might look at a
couple of people as a goliath. You know that was
the gliass, you know, the wicked, which is you know,
you know, celebrating you know that life got slaved. Did
somebody finally slave alive? You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
so I understand the positions. You know what I'm saying,

(19:12):
but I.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Just wish Cam, you know, I wish you would come
to a time, man, where we flexed our power in
the right way and targeted the right people. Because I've
had about probably like literally twenty thirty conversations over the
past two few days about some of the stuff that
you know, President Trump don't pass down some of the
executive orders, right, And you know they were talking about, okay,

(19:35):
target the End of the day program, you know, towards
you know, helping black people, right. These people did these
people did this. These people did that. So my thing
is disfruct.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Let me ask you a question. Still go to Target.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You go to Target, not really, not like that Target,
not like that.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I go to Target.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I go to Target. And I'm gonna tell you something,
as a black man, I ain't never once went shot
the Target looking for a black product. Yeah yeah, let
me finish Target looking for a sale. I went in
for a sale, because yeah, that's all I've gone in

(20:15):
the Target. Phone. You feel what I'm saying, I don't.
I don't go in there. And this is what kills me.
And this goes back to what you're saying about where
we put our focal point at and how we confuse.
Sometimes I see a lot of people outraged over the
target de I.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, and that's what I say. So, So the thing is, man,
a lot of that stuff, like you said, I never
went to Target looking for that stuff, and a lot
of the.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Let me tell you something, Let me tell you something
for all the black people out there, mad, I'm finena
make y'all real mad. So I hope y'all really paying attention. Okay,
the problem with it is number one, I agree totally
with getting rid of de I. Why I didn't used
to feel that way, but once I've seen my black
peop will start letting. The lgb QT community capitalized offer

(21:05):
using DEI for everything, for jobs, for sports, for men
to be able to be in women's sports. They used
it for that. They used it for transgenders to be military,
they used the transgenders. Took that whole DEI thing, and
they've been running a movement with it for the last

(21:25):
ten years, and ain't nobody black said nothing about it.
Years ago, three years ago during BLM, I personally witnessed
something that made me sick to my stomach on the
Brier and slasson right there in black Beverly Hills. Over
the shell gas station, they had a billboard of Martin
Luther King's up there with a rainbow fucking flag talking

(21:49):
about gay rights is or civil rights? Also say about it?
Then when they were associating Martin Luther King with homosexuality,
nobody had a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hold on yet about it?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Then?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
See, don't highjack my whole thiet man. That's what I
was gonna say, because Kim, everybody has benefited off of it,
but us, Asian people, Asian people, Hispanic people, everybody else
butt us the whole gay rights movement. Like you said,
for a man to dress up like a woman and

(22:24):
go in there and box a woman and knock her
out and beat the daylight of her because he couldn't
make it.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
As a man, and then stand on d and then
stand on the EI. You know what, Listen, check this out, bro.
These people have been wanting to They have up the
ante of wanting to steal from us that other side
than other people. They want to suck our culture away.
They just the same way they stole all the jazz
music country, they stole everything, the way they stole our religion.

(22:51):
When we can they want to steal everything from us.
So in all actuality, half the time, we don't even
need the EI because they want our black asses up
in there so they can steal our ideas and steal
the creations the same way Sears stole his stole robust stuff.
You feel what I'm saying, and it goes throughout history.

(23:12):
You know what I'm saying that the formula for what
if the recipe for Jack Daniels stolen from a black slave?
You feel what I'm saying, Like they've always stolen from us,
So we really don't even need DEI because they want
us in those places anyway they want. It's been everybody
else that's been using DEI in particularly the LGBQT community.

(23:34):
They have been standing on that to get a lot
of rights and things passed. The reason Target was the
first one to pull out of it is because if
people remember, two years ago, the LGBQT community was putting
pressure on Target about not carrying enough rainbow stuff. So
Target said, Okay, we're gonna put some rainbow stuff in

(23:55):
our Target. What do you have? And they gave them
a bunch of rainbow children close, that's what the manufacturer
gave them, a bunch of rainbow, gay orientated children cloth
and damn there got boycotted and shut down and sued
when that happened. But the people who made it happen,
they was pushing the DEI line. Ye make it happen.

(24:18):
So no, who gonna run from the next Budweiser because
Budweiser got in trouble because an LGB community put pressure
on them and they came out with the cares that
they did that had kids crossed out.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I mean kids almost put them out of business, almost
put them out of business. They lost billions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, boycotting Budweiser. So the DEI movement, it is nothing
that has been utilized by our people for a very
long time. You feel what I.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, it never was and I told you somebody else. Listen,
none of that stuff benefits you. Stop believing everything. Start
doing your own research. Like I'm gonna tell you what
we need to get mad about, right, Kim. You know
we live and you live. You live out of you know,
you live in a place that's pretty popular amongst entertainers.
Now we live out here in LA How many really

(25:09):
great black actors and actresses do you know?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's a you know of African American descent, right, I'm
noticing lately man, with these movies. Like you know, if
I looked at Snowfall Love Snowfall, right, But the brother
that played the main character, I found out he was
from England, right.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, almost a lot of a lot of the cast
was the uncle. Yeahrom England.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
But you know what I don't understand. You have a
lot of quality. You have a lot of people out
here came the are good actors and actresses, right. They
really played the hell out the roles. Now, you got
to think about it. When they brought this brother over
here to play that role, they had to go get
dubs to show him how to act like a black
dude from the hood. You feel what I'm saying. They
had to go get him, and when you talk to him,

(25:57):
it's like, what, mate, I don't understand that. It's about
the team and some stones, you know. But they got
him up there and he you know, he just turning
on and turn it off. It's like, man, we get hated.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
On from all corners of the world.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Dog.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. Now. Props
to the to the to the brother who played in Snowfall.
Yeah he was good, but.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Niggas on way that could to play that part.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Listen, listen, bro. When it comes to casting, okay, when
it comes to things like casting, especially casting and and
and and and black orientated films and TV shows, you know,

(26:46):
we have to stop. We have to stop being bias
towards anything else and starts recognizing people's talent. You know
what I'm saying that.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I ain't let you slide with that. There's a lot
of talented black people here.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
No, I know a few brothers who went an audition
for that league role. You feel what I'm saying. One
of them in particular, went out for Tupac, you know
what I'm saying, and been playing like he been Tupac
for the last fifteen years thinking he Tupaca? Is it?
You feel what I'm saying? And for damn sure he
did not. He did not qualify better as far as

(27:30):
acting skills. See what you gotta remember something, You wouldn't
have never known that that brother was from Europe if
they wouldn't have never told you that, you.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Hold No, I knew, I knew he was from Europe.
I knew he's from Europe.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, I'm saying the majority of people if they never
heard him speak in his English tone and they just
knew him from that and it never was put out there,
they wouldn't have never known he was from England, which
goes to show his greatness and his ability to act. Yeah,
give him, give him credit on that, his ability to
come from another country, not grow up in gang culture.

(28:11):
Have somebody like deb C be a speech coach and
you still be able to act this out to the
tee in order to make a hit show.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Damn, Saint Andrews did his thing, but you know what,
you know who else could have did their thing? My
boy malcaelm made could have played that part, the one
that wound up playing. You know, he got He actually
had a roll in the thing, but he got killed
off earlier. Maze is a cold actor too. Malcolm mays
he was. He was in Snowfall. He was actually one
of the he wasn't the principal character, but he was
actually one of the coach stars early on the first season.

(28:40):
So I'm gonna tell you hold on finish, finish, Let
me let boom, let me land, on what I'm laand
on bro let me land bro So Malcolm made showed
his ass to Snowfall? What's the homeway to play Stacy
from the Wood? He wound up being a fan favorede
on it. He was only supposed to be on there

(29:01):
as a little reoccurrent character. He wound up becoming the
main character because he showed his ass so much. What's
the homie stand camp? What's the homie to play Stake
in the Wood? What's my boy's real name? DeAndre? Yeah,
DeAndre Bonds, DeAndre Bond, DeAndre Bond showed his ass to Snowfall?
You know he was He took a minor role and

(29:22):
was so popular that they had to extend him out
in the show. And that's what I'm saying. This is
And really, bro, this ain't nothing on Damnson Indress. I
don't have nothing against that brother. He did this thing.
Damnson interest is a good actor. But I think, man,
there's plenty of people over here. Man, we don't have
to keep going way over to England and Africa. I'm
gonna tell you the one. What was the lady that

(29:42):
played Harriet Tubman, the one from Africa? She had some
very insediary things to say about black people.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well, now let me ask you see, And that's our
problem right there, and and not you know what I'm saying.
And I hope you don't take this the wrong way, bro,
But that's where in lies the problem our people, you
know what I'm saying, versus other races of people. You
know what I'm saying. We are in We are in

(30:09):
a position, or we are not in a position to
really have these type of conversations. Our position, shit should be.
We should be supporting each other no matter where we're
from on this planet. I wouldn't care if you from Africa, Jamaica, England,
if you from Kalamazoo, you can be from under the tunnel.

(30:30):
But if you this right here, if you wanted these,
you one of my brothers. If you want to be black,
you got this millenated skin up in you. I'm trying
to support you until you give me a reason to
not support you. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying
to look out for your best interests and I want
you to win wherever you're from. You know what I'm saying.

(30:51):
Who knows interests might be putting on support blacks over
there in England. You know what I'm saying. There is
a ghetto over there too. There's a ghetto over there.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Your thoughts on homeboy home.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Boy shot moved over there to the hood. He lives
over there in the hood in England?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Now, bo roight, what's your thoughts on reparations?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Though?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So? What I mean by that? If if if D
E A or D D what's that called THEE I? Whatever?
Do you you know?

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Because if we're supposed to just and we should, of
course in a perfect world we should support everything black.
But if you know that somebody that didn't go through
the four hundred years of free, free slave labor and
terrorism and destruction that we went through, and they come
over here and take our job them, you know what
I'm saying. You don't think it's a problem with that.

(31:39):
You don't think that we're old, uh, first first DIBs
or first look or whatever.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
When it comes to things like acting roles.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
No, I mean just just reparatious period like that. All
of that falls under the same thing. If we did
every job, We did every job and slaves listen to them, listen,
we did every job as slaves for three hundred years.
We did every job, whether it was acting in their
little films, whether it was whatever we did.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
We did every.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Job for no pay and and got robbed, got our ideas,
robed got got you know, pillage got you know, left
for dead and all of that. Do you so the
DEI think I agree with I agree with both of
y'all and and affirmative action and all that. It don't
work because it ain't distributed to us. Other people use
that as an excuse to hijack and and take take

(32:31):
our rights, and we don't never get nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
But but from.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Your position, if you had the choice, you know what
I'm saying, would you would you choose a British black
person actor over the thousands of black people that's descending
the slaves here? If you're an American producer and you're
doing an American show.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
No, I wouldn't number one, I wouldn't even bring I
wouldn't even have a consideration on slavery or anything like that.
And the basis of making my decision, the basis of
making my decision is putting one of my people's own, period,
point blank.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Who's your people?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Send of the slave black people? Black? No? No? See.
But here the thing is, because I'm not even can
you look, I'm gonna telling you something. You know, A
lot of them know what? Tell me? I can't speak
on that because I'm not a descendant of a slave.
My daddy didn't come over here as a slave. My
daddy came over here as an African exchange student. He
went to cal State Long Beach where he met my mama.

(33:29):
At you feel what I'm saying, My mama origins is
from right here in the Asa. Okay, I give it Americas.
So nobody in my get.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So because because you're a direct descendant of somebody from Africa.
You feel like I'm not in the same trouble with
y'all with.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Me saying I'm not. I can't speak on reparations as
being a descendant of a slave because I'm not a
descendant of a slave.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Bro, Well, where's your mama from?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's like a that's like a white person speaking on
slavery or or speaking on reparations.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Let me do that, bro, where's your mama from?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
I don't fit in that category.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Where from?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
My mama whole family and origin is from the Americas. Bro,
from the Americas. Back in her whole whole family history
traces back to here.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
To Africans and to Africans.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
That was he Nope, they wasn't slave. They was actually
here before slavery. There was Africans in the Americas before slavery,
which is how the Aztecs got the sundown in the
first place. Do your recept Africans was here in the
Americas long before slavery ever touched, long before we came
back on stage ships as slave people.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I mean, let's talk about that. You're saying that they
was Africans or they were just black. Why why are
you saying they was Africans?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Because because every person on the face of the plant,
because the origin of human kind starts in.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Africa, fallscorrect, So every black personet that's incorrect.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
African origin absolutely false. We're not from Africa. We settled
in Africa. We chose Africa as the best part of
our planet. We from all seven continents, the black man
and woman that is, from all seven continents.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
We're all seven continents. Was all one land at one time,
you know what I'm saying. It wasn't even it wasn't
even it wasn't even multiple lands.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
You still you're still proven my point. You've still proven
my point we're not from Africa.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, at that time, it wasn't called Africa. The reference
of the area that's being called Africa now it was Pangaea, pangaeas.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Where we're not. We're not even from Pangaea. We're not
from Pangaea. We produced the planet, the planet.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Didn't produce us.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
We're actually you know, you know, that's what we you know,
that's the theology of what we're even into in the
Nation of Islam. It's it's not about religion, it's about
the science of the original people, the science of the
original man of this planet. Who is the original man
of the whole planet, an original man of the universe.
So we produced the planet, the planet didn't produce us.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
What do you mean by we produced the planet? God
produced the planet as well.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Who is God? Let's let's talk about let's let's go there.
So are you you're a Christian boy? Are you believe
in the Bible?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm not of any particular religious background. I've studied. I
studied Islam while I was in prison. I grew up.
I grew up initially Christian, but throughout my studies of theology,
I made my self conscious on different from.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Lutheran to you know, who is God? To you, what
is God? Is God a spook? Or is God a man?
To you?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
God is not neither a man nor a woman. God
is not a physical presence. See, we try to we
try to put God in the presence of a male
or female God.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So can you prove that? How can you prove that?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
How can I prove that? That is because because the
universe is not male or female in the universe, the
universe itself, the universe.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
The universe is not male or female. No, the universe
is an.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Episode episode always talking about this.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Now listen, universe is male and female, not male or female.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
I didn't say that. I said that's what God is.
God is male and female. You got you got male
and female sperm in your testicles?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Who do you do? We all do.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
That's what That's where female person my testicles. That's where
females come from.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
The determining factor is in the in the in the sperm,
we got female sperm and male sperm. Women only got
female eggs, So we got male and female in us.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
We're gonna tell you this for a minute, Max, we
ain't even prepare to have that type of discussion. We
gonna say it. But but I'm gonna tell y'all what
I do want to talk about, right, and it's going
right back to this land, the right back of what
we've been talking about. Right. We have to stop getting
mad about stuff that we don't research. That's what we
all agree at, right. We get mad over things, we

(38:18):
get upset, we get in arms. I heard one brother
even say, man, with this stuff, where they the board
to the secure, you know, they can go back and
say we're not American citizens, to send us back, send
us back to where yeah, you know, like the whole
thing with the with the birth right, you know, with

(38:40):
the being born here as a birthright thing being over with? Right, Man.
I heard a few people say, well, man, technically because
we were slaves, you know, they can say that we
not from over here and kick us out the country,
like we don't have no rights and nothing. I said, Bro,
that will never happen.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Now. If you're born here, that's that's where your rights
is at you wherever you was born.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Anybody he born here, Bro, they would never go nowhere,
like even Bro, your daddy being your daddy being a
person that would.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Ladies say it again, that you're born is where you're
a citizen of.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Now. See, that's what's up in question right now because
they actually are actually the new administration, and that the
issue is the fact that they're getting rid of that.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Because they're not getting rid of that, they're getting rid
of the parents that wasn't born here.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
They talking about breaking up the families.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
But if if the child is born here and the
parents wasn't, then they that's what they're talking about. They
breaking up families so that the child is gonna have
to go. The child is just gonna have to go
with the parents.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
That's actually what they're doing. But what they're proposing is
to take that away too, even if the child was
born here.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, that's what's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Because we are the only country on the face of
this planet that allows that to happen to where somebody
can come over here, have a baby and say that
baby is a citizen of that country. There's no you
can't go to Ghana right now. You can go to
Ghana right now, You and your American wife and y'all
can be sitting over there in Ghana and you can
have a baby over there in Ghana, and Ghana is

(40:13):
not gonna consider that child a.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Guyanese that's that's false. That's false.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
You gotta choose another country because we in Ghana, so
they absolutely gonna say you got it.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, Ghana has the thing that where they actually asking
people to come back over there. Now they actually have
the like with the call camera X page for your program.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, where they where they uh visa. You know they
waving the visas and they allowing dual citizenship if you're
a descendantive slave of America, if you any African, they
are offering uh citizenship.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
They don't any Black, they offer it to any blacks
from around the world who want to come back.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Right is this right? I know for a fact, Like
you know, we go to our family. I got I
got family in England and stuff. Right family this in England.
We're from the Igbo tribe. Like my family or my thing.
We know where tried we're from and everything. I'm Nigerian, right,
But I've been in I was born in the United

(41:12):
States of America. My mom and daddy was born United
States of America, as were my grandparents. Now my grandfather's
my grandfather's parents are from Africa. You see what I'm saying.
Not my grandfather's parents, my grandfather's grandfather was from Africa.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, I mean, you know, like like ro Rock was saying,
most of us that if we were from the descendant
of slave experience, most of the descendants of slaves was
from Africa.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's just it's just.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Farther back generations, just than just your great grandfather might
be your great great great great great grandfather and on back.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
So see, I talked to my grandfather, right, My grandfather
died when he was one hundred and two years old.
He told me, he said that his grandfather was an
African man with a guy from Africa. You know what
I mean, dude from Africa used to hit them with
sugar cane sticks, and that's what he remembered. He used
to say, you know what, we used to get beat
with sticks. But anyway, bro, a lot of this stuff

(42:16):
we get hostile up in arms about stuff that really
don't have no effect of bearing or nothing. But don't
get mad at the stuff we're supposed to get mad at.
That's what kills me. What should we get mad at
right now? Still, what we should be mad about is
these people, as our people, acting.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Like idiots, Like what what kind of idiots?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Give me?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Give me an example, give us exactly our.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Elder statesman is online doing whatever they need to do
for these CPMs. The fact that we got listen, yeah, look,
let me let me finish. I'm gonna lay on a
number of things. We should be very upset.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't know if y'all been on a like. I
don't go on the blade every day. I don't do that,
but I do go in the hood sometimes, right, and
I'm seeing girls that look like they fifteen to sixteen
years over out there walking the streets. It's a lot
of stuff we need to be upset about. Bro, It's
a whole lot of stuff. You know that that bothers
me when I see them little sisters out there like that.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Then, Bro, they've been put they've been have them. Bro's
been on Figure roads and Sam cooked. There were Sam
cooked down at Roar in a motel on Figure Road,
hanging out with some prostitute smokers on road.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah. But you know what, and it's not like it's
not like I hang out there now and you're one
hundred percent right both. There's been young prostitutions since the
beginning of time, man, but right now it's so blatant. Man,
it's just so well, let me.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Say this, and I don't I don't condone what's going on.
But I can tell you this from a from somebody
who lived on fifty second in Fig. I live right
on Fig, men too, Scoop had a spot right on Fig. Okay,
I can tell you this that the misconception is that

(43:55):
the majority of those females out there got some dude
out there pimping on them. And that's that's no. Listen
to me, listen, no, you know thisten good, at least good.
Sixty percent of them females is out there on their
own voluntarily. Bro. They on that they out there on
their own voluntarily. Bro. I done. Sat and had a

(44:17):
conversation with a grown ass woman who lived out here.
She was twenty two years old. Grown woman had kids,
He was married, lived out here in the ie in
Riverside with her husband and her family. She used to
like to play the lottery, a lot Her husband didn't

(44:37):
like her playing a lottery, So to get side money
to play the lottery, this woman used to drive from
Riverside to Los Angeles, California, and park her car and
get out and turn tricks on Figure Rower. She wasn't
on drugs, she wasn't turned out by no dude. She
had a regular life, but chose to go out there

(44:59):
and constitute her body to make money for her gambling habit.
You feel what I'm saying all type of reasons that
that they be out there, And it's true enough and sad,
but a lot of times it be their choices to
be out there. You know, I'm more upset. I would
be more upset at the conditions that we in that

(45:23):
makes them feel they have to go out there.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
But that's what I'm saying though, that that's the whole
part of it. Right now. We have so much political
power in this We have so much financial power. Black
people spend more money in this country than any other group.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
We had a talk. We had that talk earlier on.
That's why were on here earlier on because remember I
told you I don't understand why black people is mad
at Target, even if they took the DEI away. What
I'm saying, the most we have the buying power. So
if you mad at Target, if you don't like that
a company, or you feel that a company no longer

(45:59):
supports you people or black people or black businesses, the
only thing you got to do is stop supporting that
goddamn company. They really have to be writing about Target.
Just stop going to court in a real way. Get
the same thing with Costco. I seen a thing yesterday
where Costco decided they announce that they wasn't getting rid
of their DEI program. So yesterday or the day before yesterday,

(46:22):
thousands upon thousands of blacks rallied up and they went
into all these different Costcos throughout the South, thousand thousands
deep to go spend their money to show appreciation to
Costco for not getting rid of the DEI program. But
tell me when the last time you heard about thousands

(46:46):
up on thousands, up on thousands of blacks getting together
just to go support a new opening black business.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
That's what they mean about our priorities. Our priorities is
all messed up. We have the buying power, we have
all the power with the money, but yet we choose
to sit and complain and whine all the time about
who not going to accept that, who not messing with it? Okay,
if they don't mess with you, don't mess with them.
You know what I'm saying. It's just that easy. We
have the buying power, we have to spending power, but

(47:17):
we so accustomed to wanting to spend our money with
them people and not wanting to spend the money with
our own that we do things like crime when target
getting rid of a DI program and we get together at.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
The DI program on time for that that we don't
know nothing about. You know that we don't know that
wasn't benefiting us in the first place. And that's the
thing came. Right, So we spend all this money. We
made Jordan's a global brand. Right, it was us that
went out there and them tennis shoes that cost twenty
five cent to make, we went out there. We spend
millions of dollars on them shoes every year. Right, we

(47:51):
have all of this buying power, but yet we're sitting
up here mad about everything, when really all we have
to do is organize and just say, you know what,
this week, we ain't nobody going to Walmart this week
until they start doing this and that. And I guarantee
you if we stop shopping at Walmart for three weeks,
they'll be out of business.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Let me ask both of y'all a question. Do y'all
think that when our black celebrities or celebrities getting money period.
I remember Kanye West saying something about having a handler.
That was the first time all my years of being
in the business, I had never heard that terminology before, bro,
So it actually shocked me. So I started doing research,
and I started wondering, is is it a custom or

(48:32):
do they have some type of protocol where when these
are our brothers and sisters who are wealthy, who are famous,
getting these position, part of the protocol is that you
can't do nothing really for your community. You know what
I'm saying, That you can't really put a bunch of
your own people on or we gonna destroy you. You know.
I always wondered that because I know some of these

(48:56):
black that with money and power, they gotta have the
desire to want to help out the community. But it's
as as if they all are being told not to
or Nigga, if you do this, if you get to
helping out them boys in your hood, or if you
get to supporting too many black businesses, we're gonna shut
you down.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well, I know this, I speak on myself because that's
that's the only thing I could speak on, is me right,
I'm not I'm not rich. I'm not none of that.
I'm a guy that has a little bit of a
few resources, right, So I feel like with the resources
I do have, little resources I do have, I'm not
gonna sit back and watch none of my homeboys and
my brother star. I can't help everybody but the people

(49:34):
in my media circle that I mess with. If I
have a conversation with you outside of this the futer stuff,
I messed with you, right. So, if I can find
a way to put some money in your pocket, Bow,
I'm gonna do it. If I can find a way
to put some money in your pocket, Camp, I'm gonna
do it because that's what we are supposed to do.
If we don't do it for each other, who the
hell lcs?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Okay, I understand, So do you think they so? Then
my question is, or would you be one of the
ones that they make sure not get wealthy because you
have that state of mind that you would do with regardless.
Are you one of the ones? Because I feel the
same way. Can't nobody tell me what to do with
my money? And if I could, I'll buy up Long Beach,
Watch compet and all that and run every other race

(50:15):
of out of the except black people. You know what
I'm saying, if they was just left up to me
in the perfect world, But that also gives me the
reality that the motherfuckers aint gonna never let me get
to that status.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Do you know what, I think nobody can necessarily stop
us from getting there. I think we're the ones to
stop us from getting there. You think so, yeah, I
think so.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Man, I think we get them folks too much power. Yeah,
they've done it, They've done their worst done and we're
still here.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I understand that. But do you think we actually control
how far we go up in the financial upper excera?
You actually think black people, I'll put it this way,
if you are depending the fund their structure of doing things, yeah,
you probably are. But right now, I think more no
time in the history other than now, we have the

(51:03):
ability to really do our own thing. Man with the man,
you know how many young black millionaires of the years
right now because of this computer dog Wait, okay, okay,
now listen now, man, the hold it because I've just
seen some stats the other day that they were just
talking about. Tor Rayman was talking about and him and
a couple of other political blacks. He was talking about

(51:25):
and they actually did the research. Do you know that
the top thousand wealthiest white people in the United States
have more money than every single race combines in the
United States? Oh yeah, top top, No listen to that.
The top one thousand wealthiest white people in this country

(51:47):
have more money than the Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and all
of us combines in this country. We ain't getting nowhere.
Don't believe that. Bo we being fool in the thinking that.
Don't think because they let Lebron get to the billionaire status,
or they let Puffy get the billionaire status, or they
let a couple of other niggas like Michael Jordan get
the bully of their status, that's something that changed. Hell, no,

(52:08):
ain't nothing change. We ain't got no financial power around
this motherfuck It ain't no major black banks around this
motherfucker financial institution that can you know where there was
the black people and get them home ownership at our leisure? No,
we still about wells Fargo won't get.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Black banks in this country. That they are a black
banks in this country. It's a black bank right down
the streets from my house in Lynnwood.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, how many? And Le'm gonna tell you also one
on Crenshaw and it's one in Atlanta too.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
But boy, rock, this is my thing right here, and
this is y'all tell me if I'm wrong. That's all
it take is one sometimes to start up. Then get two,
then you get three. I think we have to start
thinking on the macro level, dog, before we take everything major.
Everything has to have a beginning point. Everything has an
emphasy stage, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I think you know how long that Black Bank been
on Creshall.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
How long?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
But forty years? About forty years?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yes, a couple Michael was doing something with a bank.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
My point, my point is just because somebody gets started,
or just because it's a new idea to some of us.
You know what I'm saying. You got to show a
little bit more respect to our elders, to the fact
that our elders, some of our elders sat around to
have these same conversations. Bro, some of our elders have
these conversations during the sixties, during the seventies, during the eighties,

(53:30):
and during the nineties when in Black Bank, when in
few black banks was established, we was having these same conversations.
We have to recognize that in order for us to
get that actual power. And this, this is the one
thing I do agree with that agenda that has been pushed.

(53:54):
We have to separate ourselves. As long as we are
intermingled with everybody else, we will never truly understand our
buying power, our political power, our religious power, our love power,
our power at all. Because there's always gonna be that
chosen few. There's always gonna be those chosen few house

(54:16):
niggas that like white women. There's always gonna be those folk,
chosen few, Roland Martins. There's always gonna be those chosen
few types that want to be with them, that wants
to be down with them, that wants their approval, that
wants their love, and they want their love and their
approval and to be amongst them more than they want

(54:38):
to be amongst their own black people.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Hey bo, look, let me brother, you're right, Let me
break some down to you though. Right, You know how
I said, with my little resources, I'm gonna share my resources. Right?
Do you understand that if we all had that mentality
collectively amongst all our little you know, circles of people
and all that we would improve almost overnight as a people.

(55:02):
You feel what I mean? Sometimes sometimes It don't benefits
you to worry about the person that's across the state
that you don't know a person over there. You have
to worry about the people that's in your media circle. Dog,
and then that's how you fix stuff. If everybody worries
about their own little circle, dude, and everybody get that
mentell that you know what, man, I'm a manager over here.
I'm about to hire for y'all, or or I do
this over here, I build houses. I'm gonna give a

(55:24):
three of y'all job over here. I'm all about see.
I used to have a problem with separate to talk
about separating and all that because I was one of
my dealers. I do think we need our own stuff. Man.
You know what my dream deals now can what I
want to do. I'm trying to raise fifteen million dollars,
dude to go buy twenty five acres of land to
build my own city. I've talked about that.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Huh is it some.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah? You read people do it? Yeah again. If people
worry about their own inner circle, dude, the people they
actually have, it could influence over and they could do that.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Could do you.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Imagine how powerful everything would be if we all said okay,
it with twenty of us, and we said, you know what,
we go hustle, we go straight, we go do what
we gotta do for the next five years, to go
buy these twenty acres right and build these houses and
build our own grocery stores in there, build our own schools,
build our own community. That stuff can be done. But
we too busy out here buying rims, cars and all

(56:25):
kind of dumb shit. We get money to do shit
like that.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
But again, we have those ones that separate. Brother Cam,
how long have yourself, along with the Great Minister, along
with the profit, how long have y'all been trying to
tell us that we need to get away from these
people and we need to be on our own with
just us shit.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Since we've been here ninety five years now. And that's
the problem. Exactly what you just said. It ain't about
Pharaoh let my people go. My people won't let Pharaoh go.
We won't let Pharaoh go.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yes, that's exactly, That's exactly what it is. You know
what I'm saying. It's it's like what they say happened
when a person kidnaps a person syndrome. We have that,
that's what we have. We have that as a people.
And the only way a person gets rid of stockholm

(57:24):
a victim, they go back around their family, they go
back around their loved ones, and they're isolated around their
family and their loved ones until they're better. We have
to isolate ourselves with just each other so we can
heal each other, so we can learn how to love
each other again and appreciate each other and respect each

(57:45):
other and admire each other again, and start putting each
other on these pedestals. We cannot do that as long
as these other people are around, influencing certain people within
our race to have a view like theirs.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, it's car, it's card. It's called rotten or molded fruit.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
If one of the fruits is molded and it's touching,
the rest of the fruits is gonna it's gonna mold
them too. It's gonna make them rotten. So you, like,
like Bourock said, you gotta get there. You got to
identify that that gatekeeper or that cell out or whoever,
that that house nigga or whatever, and you got to
get them up out of there.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, real, because I tell you Cam, as far as
what I said earlier, do you agree with me what
I was Do you understand what I was saying?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
What part byt what about like if we all focused
on the people that we can impact versus trying to
get everybody at the gid.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
People are like mine.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I have the potential to go out and make some bread. Right,
Let's say I come up and over Let's see I
come up with ten eleven million dollars. That's not a
whole bunch of money, but you can really start building
your own city. It may not be nothing major, but
you can say, you know what I'm gonna go buy.
I'm gonna go get twenty five acres in Douglasville. And
let me tell you what the problem is with that.

(59:05):
You know what happened if we did that. It's the
same thing with reparations. And I just had this conversation
with somebody earlier on the day.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Bro. Do you know if you took your eleven say
you had eleven million dollars and you went and build
your city, right? And this is what I say. The
problem is about that that focus on those around you
who you can help, just those because when you build
your little city and you're able to help those around
you close to you and then the next brother over

(59:34):
there build his city and help those close to you.
That city over there is gonna become in competition with
your city, and that city over there is gonna want
to wipe out your city, and that city over there
is gonna start feeling like they're better than your city,
and and and it's still not gonna get along. So
the problem is not just money. We can't buy each
other's love. There's not enough love amongst us for us

(59:58):
focused on your peop natural positions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That's why I say you focus on your own people.
I know, I know brother Cam love me. I know
he's not gonna stab me in the back of night,
so I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
It's called tribes, see, And this is why I feel
we all need to focus on each other because we've
done the tribal thing fa sault far too long. We
can go back to the Shaka Zulu days. You know
what I'm saying. What Shakazulu did when he got in power.
He started taking off on other tribes, cutting their heads
off and all that. You know what I'm saying, The
division was still there. You know what I'm saying. When
you divide yourselves into tribes, you still have that division.

(01:00:35):
We need to find a way to come together as
one people, one love, one race, under one one God,
under one religious practice as far as just us us
because again, until we reach this point to where we
love each other enough to where we can co exists

(01:00:57):
with each other, we can't coexist with each other. We
can't even coexist with each other. With wealth, you know,
we are better to coexist.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Yeah, Our problem is is the condition is the injury
and the wound, the condition that we in mentally. So
if you in a hospital, you in the er, the
emergency room, everybody in there is there because of course
they got they got their own issue as a product
that they think should be the priority. But if somebody
roll in there with half an arm or a child

(01:01:27):
with with you know, you know, got cut in half
or something like that, then they gonna be the priority.
So so no matter what's what you're suffering and going through,
that's valid that you need immediate attention. If it's a
limited amount of doctors, a limited amount of rooms, limited
amount of you know, whatever, then then it's it's gonna

(01:01:48):
already become a problem. If somebody gets that, they recognize
that you need help worse than everybody else. And that's
what the slavery thing is about the center of a slave. No,
no other black people needs help before us. We need
the most help. Otherwise we're gonna turn on. We gonna
be the ones that get envious and start fucking up
your shit. If you if you came to set up shop,

(01:02:10):
you know what I'm saying, and you didn't you didn't
try to help us first. So that's our that's our
mental poison right there. And that's why we, like you said,
we need to isolate, you know, and heal ourselves and
find qualified people that heal ourselves and then have emissaries
or diplomats that we send to represent our tribe that
can go, you know, work out some dl or something

(01:02:31):
with the other tribe exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Then that's how you prevent stuff. You have people sometimes
like I will tell you like this, Let's see, I
built this town. Let's say this happens, right, and I
built this city. First, you need more than ten million dollars, right,
But let's say I built this town, came and we
got twenty five people. It's your family, Glasses family in there,
boat Rock got his family in there, and we really
have a community. We have our own school, We have

(01:02:54):
our own grocery store, We have our own economy. Because
we have the police department, a small three man police
department to watch stuff. You got some people have got
a barbershop, and you actually have people live in the community. Right,
you may have a few people move in, but you
have a you have an application process. We need to
check your background to see what you know which you watch.
Are you infiltrator?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Have you're gonna have niggas next door like like a
like a snoop. You feel what I'm saying, who don't
want to see our tried do better than his tribe,
So therefore he'd go out of his way and try
to hold you down. You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
We see old us dungs. He wouldn't be allowed in
the city in the first place. He'd be meeted at
the gate, he'd be turned away.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
That's part of the but but that's part of that's
part of the science that the enemy never want us
to learn. So there's three sciences that the enemy never
want us to learn, and that's the science of mayteam,
how to mate, how to choose a mate, and how
to you know, be a man and raise a family.
The science of warfare and the science of business. Right,

(01:04:02):
if you got business, you're gonna have to have an
army to enforce it and protect it. You know what
I'm saying. You don't have to lay down from laws
where niggas just can't come in and do nothing. You're
gonna have to have some muscle, you know what I'm saying. Otherwise,
all these niggas that's supposed to be in billionaires and
multi millionaires, they not really millionaire. They can't just like
Bulrock say, you can't do what you want to do
with that, with that money that ain't your millions. It's

(01:04:24):
like debo, like on Friday. You just keep it in
your bank account. It's like both of ours. Nigga, you
can't do what you want with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
You have to really like ken.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
But the thing is established, you know, check this out,
you're right establishing something like this. You got your regular
little police department. Right, But just like the police department,
this levels in the police department. They got swaped, they
got this. You have to have some headbusters this just like, Okay,
this dude, you're doing this, We are about to make
an example out of his ass.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
He'll get crug. That's the history of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Whether it's the mafia, whether it's England people coming from England, Well,
it all gonna come down to physical violence and bloodshed.
That's how they took the country from the Native Americans
and from from Africans.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
When it comes down to it, it's gonna come down
the arms. An army.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Army is the only thing gonna protect your business and
protect your family and protect your mate. So it's gonna
come down to you gotta be organized as an army. First,
find something that fight for and kill for and die for.
That y'all that y'all love is you. That's the proof
that you love the brotherhood because you're willing to lay
down your life because y'all agree on the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Now, Ken, who was the black city in Oklahoma that
they went and tore up and it was thriving Rosewood
or right? Yeah, you have to have some enforcers in
there because they gonna come, especially if we was to
do something like this in the South. They are coming
one day. They can come try us. You have to
be able to hold them off and put a demo

(01:05:55):
down the habit to where the cash to your mom
was so high. Nobody there think is coming back to Blacksbird.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Even if they even if they conquer, you gotta study
the act or to be even if you wipe out
my ant Hell, I'm gonna build another one like we
be getting all punked out. Man, it came here, it
burnt our whole community. We ain't gonna do that again
because it ain't gonna work. Don't know, creature punk out
in nature like that. They just don't rebuild it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
And then they're gonna evolve their army.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
They're gonna evolve, they weapons, they're gonna evolve.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Niggas gonna punk out and devolve.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah, that's why I'm gonna tell you it all starts
on a micro level. Camp. I'm gonna be real with you.
That's really been on my mind a lot though, man,
over the past few years, Like we do need to,
I'm not going back. I'm not going Africa though, though.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
I'm like, man, I'm going to after I'm gonna be
a dual citizen here in Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Oh you know what, Bro, don't get it twisted. I'm
thinking about going over there. You know, g messed with
a kind of real tough man I want to go
over there and visit, man, because the only reason I
wouldn't move because I got a lot of fi family here.
You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Why you like, why are you thinking like you can't
have five and six houses like these white folks or
these Jewish people?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Do you can? You can have a house on every
country or every continent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
But that's the thing camp. I'm gonna tell you what
I want, dog. I want to get a thing. I
told Glasses this, I said, Man, we get to knocking
them ends down. We need to have us spot somewhere
due to wear our house like, even if it's just
a gated community with just our stuff in their camp,
we need to have the war really got a gate
you go up in next that way. So what's up? Man?
You just in peace? You feel what I mean? You

(01:07:32):
you at peace. You got your family around you. It's
all family. You got your own story in there, even
if it's not a big it don't have to be Albersons.
You feel what I mean. It needs to be a
place to where we got enough federal goods and stuff
where we can go a little movie theater in the
city and you have your own thing going on bro
to where you you're not bothering nobody on the outside.
You just have your own thing going.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Don't bother you though, Still like if you got that
the enemy coming, somebody gonna bother you. So no matter what,
you're gonna have to have army in mind, You're gonna
have to have have an army, a militia or something
and begin and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
The demos will be getting set Downcau I'm gonna take
you what I would do. I would actually make you
the sorry norms Cams. I'll tell you to get the
fruit of Islam, because the fruit of Islam. I've never
seen nobody get with the fruit of Islam.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Right, I mean they try it and then and we
gotta respond, but we don't advertise that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
They don't carry no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Every black Disnitarry Cam. Who do they hire for their security? Foy?
They hired Foy, And I've never heard about I've never
heard of no crips, bloods, nobody to tell you, nobody,
I've never heard of nobody being able to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
It's because of what I said, though, It's because we
love our people. We love our people and you know
on business, yeah, I'm saying when other people see that
you love your people, then they know better than to
try it, because then you're gonna respond like it ain't
money gonna make me ride. Money not gonna make me
ride or retaliate. Money not gonna stop me. It's something

(01:08:59):
that you interfere with my I love when you interfere
with my people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
So it's gonna go all the way. Camp.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
People are steing the fruit, but people fear the fruit
of Islam. People fear the fi And I'm gonna tell
you one thing that I thought I saw and I'm
starting to learn a lot more. Right, I'm gonna tell
you cam when I went over to Dubai, I had
to I think I told you about this camp. It
was a It was a turning point in my life
because I started feeling really conflicted spiritually. When I was

(01:09:26):
over in Dubai. Man, we was in the car right
and our driver pulled over. He said, you gentlemen could
wait there. You gotta remember in Dubai it's a different
type of hot, but the crown is scorching, like you
can't walk out there barefoot. So we out there and
this is about it. It's gotta be about one hundred
and four degrees, right, People pull over. He get this
little mad and everybody pulls over right, and they start praying.

(01:09:50):
And I heard the sounds, man, and it just seemed
like it spoke to my soul, like that that I
was supposed to be doing. You know what I did
the next day, the dude that brought us out there,
he gave out thought they were big psych rest in peace.
He gave us one of those little shiki's they were,
you know the things. And I walked around like that, cam.
I felt like I was myself, man. And ever since

(01:10:10):
I did that, I feel like it's almost been the
matrix over here for me. Man. I feel like, you
know what, that's what I'm supposed to be doing. Man,
that's I'm supposed to be worshiping. You feel what I mean, Well,
that's that's your own nature. It ain't like you worship
worshiping a mystery god. All that Islam means. It just
means the nature of the original black man and woman.
But we put it in book form and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
We formed it into a religion for the races, for
the other races, like the white races and the people
that's that's more recessive than us that we produce. But
we don't need a book like when we when we
became mentally dead, then we need to restudy our own
nature or whatever. But we are the book. We are
the Bible. We are the living Bible and the living Koran.
So the original Black nation is the God. That's the

(01:10:54):
people of God.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
From the water that we drink over there, cam to
the fruits. Man, I had I had a pomegrant, right,
you know these pomegrana is over here. You're looking at
all the little little seeds. Them pomegrant has looked like
what they was the size of grapes over there. Man,
it was just like I was like, man, it was
just it was a different vibe. I didn't want to
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Dog my producer, my producer, boy buck Weed, I just
recently talked to him. He said the same exact thing.
A con took him over there. He just looked up
with a kon Akin took him over there to go
work with one of his artists that he's bringing out
over there in Africa. And buck Weet was like, man,

(01:11:34):
I didn't even want to come back at this motherfucking man.
He was like, man, it's different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
But you know what a marathas selling you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
He was like, soon as you get there, it's just
like a feeling that just come over.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You, like like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
And I ain't going back over there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Everybody I know that went to Africa, man, they they minds,
like their mindset changes, right, And like I'm gonna tell
you this. Even when I first went to England, right
and just went to that community, dude went to you know,
I just was in the community, you know, I went
to I went to a shop. Man had me some
of the best oxtails I ever had on rice and stuff,
you know, just eating the different foods over there camp

(01:12:13):
and it was just like I said, Man, this is us.
You feel what I'm saying. It's a certain feeling, it's
a certain vibe, man, because you don't feel like you
were outsider no more. But we're not respected over here, dog,
We don't have no respect. The only thing in the
United States of America respect, dog, is money, and they
halfway over and they only respect the money. They don't

(01:12:33):
respect the person having. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying, man,
But shoot, man, I appreciate y'all coming to sit in
with y'all boy tonight. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Yeah, it showed the family at the table.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, for sure, you could invite me over to eat. Bro,
you could have invited me over for some food, though,
how you know I don't want to eat?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Man, Open invitation, man, open take you my loved ones.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Man, I'm gonna say this night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Man. We cook over here every day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I said.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
We don't do fast food. We don't get no order
and nothing. We we we prepare meals over here every day.
But just know when you can if you come over
here to eat, you know you're not gonna be getting
all that that regular stuff. You ain't gonna be getting
all that unhealthy, getting all that overseason process fools around here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
M Unless I'm gonna say this, man, we don't say
it enough. I love y'all brothers, genuinely.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Man, Man, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
And on that note, we a out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah. I love y'all. Peace, Love y'all man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Peace,