June 27, 2024 • 65 mins
In this EP MC Eiht and Steele talk about everything & everybody, from why Julio Foolio set himself up for failure and won’t be the last to every rapper that felt slighted by Kendrick and friends. We also touch on entitled females, wack podcast and a whole lot more.
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(01:01):
to another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. It's your
boy Big Still along with Yeah, you know what monumental
week in LA for hip hops this year. You know,
Kate out had his big concert down there. Man, everybody
in their mom was down there.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think it was a good thing for the city.
What you think it was pretty It was pretty good.
I mean, oh, down play it. Uh you know, it
was a nice little turnout, so to speak. I know,
my son went down there. You know, I guess some
you know, some people you know was questioning who who
(01:44):
should have been there or who wasn't there? I know,
your ms blowing up. He was up there. I got
a couple of people asking me was our going.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
A couple of people I knew was in the audience,
and uh, they were like when he started Mad City.
They was just you know, that would have made my night.
If they would have you would have came out and
did your part of Mad City. I said, yeah, it's
all good, but uh, not to take you don't take
nobody shine, you know, even really you know, it wasn't
(02:16):
even about uh that that situation. I'm still appreciative of
just being able to be on the project, on the song.
But you know, some people, you know, it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think it was cool. I think in those situations,
to be honest with you, normally, as beautiful as they are,
you go always have somebody mad at you, bust some shit.
It's good because I saw a few people that were
upset because they felt like they should have been involved
with the show or whatever. You know, it's like you
can't have everybody.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Man Yeah, for you know, for his line of of
you know, his line of or his generation of people
that's in his lane as far as when they came
out or the type of artists they or I thought
(03:08):
he served the purpose efficiently, you know from him and
you know he's ju I at schoolwork Q and they
have soul and then hippie uh uh, you know people
like Osamples old Sima.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know you saw a headset and who they brought
out and I don't know how that was coordinated, but
you know people were pleased.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well you know what man and't know telling man normally
when you have situations like that. You know, he and
his glasses DJ Okay, he glasses DJ. He and his DJ.
And because of glasses, you know, Glasses kind of empowered
him with that because he was doing his podcast shit
before everybody pretty much you know homegrown radio. No, he
(03:57):
was doing homegrown radio, but he wasn't a day. Glasses
kind of got him his first set in turntables and
told him. Heby, man, you need to you know you
should become to DJ Okay. And I say all that
to say is I don't make he had had no
controls he was able to bring out there. You feel
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I said, I watched it on Amazon. I'm pride, you know.
I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, it was dope, man.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And I thought it was dope paying to be honest
with you, to see homies like hey, just me knowing
where he come from to the stuff he's doing now,
I'm proud of all that's good ship.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, I mean because I said, like, it's sort
of like the situation like I was in with being
on the record on Mad City. They could have reached
out to you know, a ton of other people or whoever. Well,
but I felt like for the times and for like
(04:58):
I said, Kendrick is like behind us as far as
generation of hip Hoppin's concern representing Cofton, you know you
had to you know, you had the n WA's and whatever,
and then we came along and you know, then you
know you had YG and them come along and Kendrick
(05:19):
and all that. So you know it's it's good representation,
especially from Compton.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, it's no bad, you know, Compton was deffinitely in
the house. I forgot about that. You did have yse
and all of them. Yeah, and I saw a game.
He came out and had some things to say. But
I wouldn't want to overshadow that moment, man, because you
had a whole bunch of people. One outs. It was
a bunch of beat dogs there. But there was a
lot of quips there too, definitely, and didn't nothing to
pop off. Everything was cool. It was lovely, so you know,
(05:45):
shout out to that. And I think it was cool.
And it's one of those things. No one the homies.
If we wanted to pull up there, we could have
pulled up.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, I didn't even Uh, I didn't even think about it,
you know, you mean neither because if father got invited up,
probably wouldn't have went anyway, because it's just with those things.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Now, the kid did ask me, did I have any
way of getting in contact, you know, because he definitely
wanted to go, And I hadn't even thought about, you know,
hitting you to hit topping them or whatever. But his
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sister knows a few people close to them, and she
was able to get tickets, so he went with big sister.
He said he had a good time. He had a
good time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And that's the main thing about it, man, that the
people have a good time, you know what. And I'm
gonna tell you like this, I'm cool enough with them cats.
If I wanted to go see Kendrick just to ketch
up with him, it wouldn't be in no thing like
that because he ain't got no time to be talking
on my ass base DGGs.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Right, you really work, You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He at work. You know, I'm this child. If I
wanted to go see the army, it would be plenty
of other place I don't go where I would ask
to be able to sit down and talk to him
and see what's going on with him.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And I said, it's not to take away from his achievement,
his accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Uh uh.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And it was a good it was a good light
shot shine on the city. But I don't want to
you know. It was great for you know, niggas who
were in the hood steal and you know, having to
represent and do that ship. Uh, to be able to
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come to a situation like that, and uh, everybody mingling
and getting along.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But it was dope.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
We we over here a lot of us who have
matured in our mind states about ship like that. We've
been in several situations where it's been a mix of
different neighborhoods and different affiliates and you know, and I
(08:05):
can say that I've been to a couple of little
motherfucking events where, yeah, we just had.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The thing, what was that maybe six months ago to
the concert that may ten exactly, and it was all love, man,
And that's what I was. That's what the one thing
about it is, everyone outside of the coach kept making
such a big deal. There were so many games in
one place. I was like, we're not just savages out here.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I mean, but you though, it's it's always been frowned
upon from uh an. Even now you can go to
different motherfucking states and niggas is cripping and blood into
the fullest. You feel this and they're feeling like, you know,
authentic from the gate, and you can't tell the motherfucker
any different. You give me like born and bread from
nigga issue. We've been bloods and crips niggas since the
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inception of this ship, and everybody really knows how that
went down. But like I said, weird people frown upon
us because of having a gang motherfucking situation. But people
gotta understand, you know, growing up in the neighborhoods and
(09:10):
being a subject to gang life, it's really just like
a community of just like motherfucker drafting you to the army,
you know what I'm saying. You grow up in the hood,
and most likely if you don't have those avenues of
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walking a different walk, most likely you gonna grow up affiliated.
And then most of the time it's just my friend
association and just connection and community of nigga. We ride
bikes together and we living in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Really, that's what it's all about. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
We like I said, we start off riding bikes together,
and then we playing little league football together. Then then
we're going to elementary to get and then I mean
by the time you get to junior high school and
you're seeing the big homies on the corner and this
is the neighborhood, and you feeling like sort of like
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the right of passage you getting unless you have that
different outlook of well, I'm gonna play some sports or
I'm gonna do something different, you know what I'm saying.
But most of the time niggas grow up, won't affiliate
themselves because shit, this is my whole foundation. This is
what I know, nigga him over across the street, him
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around the corner, him down the street, them two blocks away,
So you feel connected by that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So it is, but you know on a once somber
and darker. No, the cat who are you? The young
man who you fulio lost his life? And this is
what I don't get about this. If you one of
those guys that like to go on the internet and
talk about people and the spirits people talk about people's
dead ownly, don't make public posts about what you're going
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to do. Why would you make a post we're having
a I'm having a birthday party over here at the
hotel for uh raise a peace to him is just
a saying shit, you know, but that wasn't the brightest
move in the world.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean, because you know, I don't want to put
it like you know, it's it's the day and age
of the young generation because me, as a young gang banger,
we didn't have internet and social media and shit like that.
(11:41):
But it seems like when somebody threw a block house party,
niggas knew the party was cracked.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah you know what.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And then not to cut you off, but ship biggas
knew where the party was cracking. It comes through a
spray that motherfucker you sall me so I want to
put it on that, but you making it easier for
your opposite. And then if you know you are are
having real serious issues, because like I said once again,
(12:13):
it's one thing to go back and forth on the
microphone with some bragged, docious nigga I'm flyed in you
or nigga my versus as hard enemies. Now can you imagine, uh,
you know, if if OG's from our time had the
(12:37):
mind state of the young homies today of just like
oh yeah we we know we did nigga, we hush
you feel me? That was some quiet shit. If you
jumped in the car and hear the nigga block and
bing bing most of the time niggas was trying to
wake it, make it to where we won't niggas to
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think it's somebody else.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Really, you didn't have your last, Your last the last
thing in your mind, bro was doing some ship to
where the fingers to point back at you exactly. You
didn't think like that, you said I want to be
niggers pictures as possible. Now, first thing, somebody come out
of sales, are smoking on that Julio folio, peck.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And then another thing, another thing is is it's it's
like I said, we've can't We've come from from from
from beefing on records, right. But the truth and the
(13:50):
situations that we pulled back in, it was always taught
that it was quiet on the set, right, it was all.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Of your.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
H It's amazing because, like I said, I pay attention,
and it's had me curious lately that I've been on
YouTube watching a lot of how these beefs are started
and originated, and it's young niggas as bold as a motherfucker.
(14:25):
I hand the team there because they have no problem
going in the studio talking about the dead. You know,
my man had, motherfucker like they'd be like, I'm gonna
put I'm gonna put dead oppositions on shirts. Uh, we're
(14:46):
gonna make up rap songs and basically explaining how they hit,
got pulled off, who got smoked, what kind of pistol
it was, you get me, and and just just braggadocious
with it. And I guess it's the new form of
(15:08):
you know our when sets was beefing and you go
through the sets and nigga might cross out your hood
or or or woopy wop.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Uh, that's that new form of gay of baby this.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Right, yeah, you know what they're doing now? This cat
young and as he came out with the track the
next day after Julio Fulio died. Of course, yeah, Julio
Folios this his brother on a song. No, yes, brother
on a song. So now he came back. He got
a song called what his name of this song? Do it?
(15:42):
He could? He came up with record called do It.
I guess they have been going back and forth a
little bit, man, But when there's this stop now, so
what's happening on one of Julio Folio's homies gonna go
back and get a m now?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I mean basically, yeah, I mean that's the cold. I
mean from what I've been from what I've been following
with not just their situation, but all of the situations
around all the little clicks and crews from Chicago to
Atlanta down over in Florida. I've been peeping out all
the situations and definitely somebody's finna come back with somebody's
(16:21):
gonna and and not to just say it out blatantly,
but somebody's gonna die because that's how the situation falls
new Gigli. It's it's the retaliation game. But it's like
I said, it's bold and out now because nigga we
at the crib with we at the crib with the
(16:44):
michaelphones and the beats, and we stand right here and
make you know, and our songs is gonna be like Okay,
y'all got the homie and now it's it's it's like,
it's the situation is like we have to so of course, uh,
because it ain't like niggas is finna be on like
the quiet or the low weighted. You feel me, They're
(17:06):
not gonna be like, well, it's gonna be drawing in
the streets. Niggas all probably think or the feel that
we had something to do with it. So now it's
time to lay loft ship. Man, the nigga's gonna be
on the block the next day and braggadocious bouder shooting.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Videos and everything. And you know it's said, man, the
young man got cute and his birthday, Man, I feel
for his parents, you know, his mama talking about shooting
documentary now. But on the opposite side, you got the
his enemies out there making videos and stuff. I don't know, man,
it's just gotta be I'm glad I don't have kids
doing this, erdog, it would have been hard.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bro. And I'm Jolio made that video at his brother's
grave site.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He's really that because you know what you sound like.
You sound like just on the podcast saying the people
can't hear objective point of view. Yeah, you know what
the thing is wrong? He this this? You know, he
this his dead brother budget video. At at some point though,
you have to at it's easy to say the dumb man.
(18:12):
You gotta practice some exercise and maturity, Like we got
to get a little bit more mature as a people man,
especially this young generation. Scare me not to be out here.
Sound like the old nigga dog in the room. But
these little niggas is off the hook though. Yeah, that's
why it's a different time. As far as, like I said.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
With the uh, the representation of wanting to uh, I
guess you know, be what you say as far as
in your raps or what you're rhyming about. Because dudes
(18:52):
they're not making songs. They're just making death threats on
records if you want to, you know, And hip hop
is like I said, it shines a bad light on
hip hop because this is isn't what it's intended for.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's just like, uh, you know, with the with the
podcast game, you get me. There's some podcasts where you know,
motherfuckers have you know, loyal fans and straight to the point,
no ship and whatever whatever. And then a lot of
shows be niggas who are or starting their own platforms
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or whatever because they want to get their feelings off
their chests.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Can I see something about podcasting real quick? Go ahead,
This is from me to even the internet is fucking
for right now. We don't need no more podcasts. Every
time I turn around, man, it's a motherfucker coming up
with a damn podcast. I don't know what niggas think.
Stop listening to these niggas telling your they don't got
(20:00):
thirty or forty million dollars on these deals. That shit
ain't happening like that. There's no way for a coming
to make the money back. Now it's some brothers haven't
been getting some money, but now it's not the name
that they say they get. Dog, I've been doing this
shit for a long time and I wish like and
don't take this as me being aided or nothing. Dog. Okay, Well,
every time I turn around it's a nigga coming out
(20:22):
with a podcast. I'm like, Okay, now what the other is?
This dude will talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
A lot of times they've become nigga's own personal rant pages.
It's what they become. I mean, because let's face it,
it takes some skill to be able to communicate and
intrigue the public with conversations and content that's really you know, interest,
(20:52):
you know necessary. A lot of times have pot these
podcasts or are are dudes who want to take their
personal rants out on motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
They appose you're getting more ready this motherfuckers. I'm gonna
tell you what it turned into. Man. You know what
YouTube us now. YouTube is the news that ship the
motherfuckers got General Relief g R. YouTube is the new
fucking gr for lazy ass niggas who don't want to
get a fucking job because they figured, man, if I
(21:28):
can go out there and this niggas, especially these old niggas, right,
you know, it ain't just them, mister young You know
these younger dudes doing they shit, They're doing the streaming
shit right right. But I'm looking to see the older dudes.
They out there trying to discasts now. They think that's
the way. They don't want to do no research, They
don't want to come up with nothing to talk about.
They figure, well, man, you know what, oh these cats
(21:50):
doing all right over here. We gon dish them niggas
and make them go back and forth with us. It's
returning now, man. And that kind of start, and that
kind of started, you know, with the raw shit. You know,
when a niggas.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Started rapping and feeling like, well, I'm just gonna jump
in the rap game just by dissing the mother and
that's gonna get me. That's gonna get a motherfucker. I
asked the question of this when back in the day.
It was about ten years ago or whatever. So nigga
asked me to get on the record winning. And I'm
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asking a nigga like, okay, send me to beat what
the concept about? Blah blah blah. And he comes back
and goes, well, I don't know, I'm just gonna diss
some motherfuck And this was you know somebody who was
making noise at the time, and you know, popularity was
(22:48):
getting up there, and so I questioned them, motherfucking I'm like,
oh that y'all have some problems or issues or something.
And the nigga said no. I don't even know the nigga,
but I think that if I did something, it's a
way for me to get exposed fast. And I turned
the song down and I said, dude, that's not how.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'm come into the game, like, oh, make a good
fucking South.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But I think with the popularity of bullshit and mess
got so popular that it changed the course of the
game to oh fuck that, I'm not finna go try
to create a great song and you know, get fans
(23:37):
on just being humble and able to really produce good music.
I'm gonna come into this shit on some fuck this
motherfucker so people can go, oh, who is this? You know,
it's instant, Like I said, they like instant gratification today,
So that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, we in this world of the tournament right now, though, man,
because I noticed it with everybody. Everyone thinks that they
are supposed to get something. Ain't nobody supposed to go
out and earn nothing. Ain't nobody supposed to go out
to work. But just because you got to guess what,
you're supposed to give it to him. Mate, you made it.
(24:14):
You got a record deal, right, how come I'm not on?
Oh you got a podcast, You got the plug of
the podcast, but you ain't trying to plug me up.
Don't nobody owe nobody nothing. Dog. I don't never look
at no motherfucker like they on me, shit, dog, just
because I know what, motherfucker, just because I know somebody
(24:35):
supposed to give it to me, and I'm even noticing
it now. I asked a question that they man, and
you know what, this ain't got nothing to do with
my personal business and nothing. But I thought about it
because you know, I and my son's talking about getting
married one day and all this and all that. Right,
But I really thought about it, bro, and I said,
you know what, is it really a word for a
(24:57):
motherfucker to go out and get married? Because when I
mean think of motherfucker owing something, you think about this, bro,
The average motherfucker in this country make about sixty five
grand I think, right, that's the average man in this
country make about sixty five thousand dollars, right, But a
woman that passed up to do with to make seventy
five thousand, the dude to make eighty thousand, looking for
(25:18):
a dude to make millions of dollars. It ain't that
many of them. It's only a few people in the
country like that. When you think about that, right, right,
And the more money a person makes, he's gonna have
a certain type of woman on this team. He gets
a successful man, it's not gonna getting no bump ass
brawl that can sit up on their ass all day
and marry her. You feel what I'm saying. So you
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got all these women out here chasing the million dollar man.
They passing up to seventy five. They won't settle for them.
And that's usually the dude that the police officer, the
dude that the male man, the dude that might do
be head of a janitorial And our school is something
like that. You know, dudes that make got a good job, right,
might work for the city whatever. Everybody bypass them. Motherfuckers
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right there, ain't shit just to go to the top,
like they really got something to offer. That motherfucker at
the top. We in the land of entitlement out though
it's real fucked up out of here right now.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, you know I've always said, you know, being normal
doesn't suit well with with the times of today, and
especially with a female our MOLLU then titlement thing. Uh,
you know, females want to be females. You know, certain
(26:40):
females want to be in a position of like you said,
entitlement to where I feel like, you know, you gotta
make a certain amount of money, you gotta live with,
you know, a certain class of life, you gotta drive
a certain type of vehicle, live in a certain zip code. Uh.
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And it's I guess it is great to want certain ship,
but I guess it is pressed to the to the
point of where if you're not in a certain position,
I guess you're you're made to feel you're unworthy.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, yeah, it's it's fucked up because you know what, man,
I'm glad I got a good woman in my life.
But it ain't no but about her. This ain't bought her,
right I look at it, man, Right now, a man
has a start really being selective about who they fucked with,
right right, because someone, I think someone are other mentalities
(27:46):
that they might have just settled fucking with you.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Do you feel what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If you got a woman at home, Dudes out there,
ask your woman next time, ask you the night. If
you listen to this podcast this morning, whenever you listen
to it, ask her, baby, why are you with me?
Do you wish I could be somebody else? I guarantee
you have them. Bitches is lying or every woman thinks
that they worthy of. I don't care how ugly hels.
I don't care how big their heels at a little
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their heels. They think in their mind, I deserve it
to be with the motherfucker making fifteen twenty million dollars
a year, while am I with this motherfucker? He can't
go get me this, He can't go get me that king.
The titlement right, everybody feel like they deserve some shit?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well, like I said, are people feeling like I don't know.
I guess you would have to have somebody who's strong
minded and who basically has probably been with you for
a while and has gone through situations as far as
struggles and and and what is looked upon right now
(28:55):
is probably like, hey, everything is great. So I I
don't know if it's trying to say you're cheapen in
yourself by like when motherfucker say I couldn't want anything more,
you get new. But those are people who are settled
with themselves. You feel me.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Where you think about what the average woman telling her
daughter nowadays? Right? And I don't know, every woman is
not the same. Every women are not a moneylift. They're
not all just the fucking the same, right, But it's
just this mentality and not just with the one that
let me get off of them for a minute. With
the men too. Everybody you meet more than that. When
you meet a new person, they are trying to get
(29:35):
in with you because they feel like you can change
their life somehow. Think about it, bro, hey you take
on CD, Oh hey you got my CD, he's gonna
change my wife? Or still talking about he who helped
me with this podcast. My whole life is about to change.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I mean, let's not you know, overshadow the fact that
there are some talent in motherfuckers out here, you know,
but there are situations where people don't understand that. You know,
(30:19):
not everybody can can be that. Uh you know, like
you said, people look to you probably like, oh, it's
think can help me start a podcast? And you don't
you know, outside looking in, it's always more than what's
expected because people don't understand reality when they're on the
(30:43):
outside looking in. Uh. I come from a time with
motherfucker just because you had a video and a record
out you was a millionaire. Situations where our nigga you
got money and offshore accounts and ship like that, because
(31:03):
there's no way that you making records or you were
you on a video or you was in that movie
and ship and she was sitting on a hundred five
of you was, man, you're a motherfucker. You were sitting
on moucker. Yeah, you I got nigga, My money is
offshore accounts and I got it here and over.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Sudden you a't help them to homies up. Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, people don't understand Like myself, I didn't understand contracts,
but people don't understand the ins and outs. They just
looked from the outside and maybe see you got a
new pair of shoes on or so and so, and
you know you you considered the richest motherfucker. I think
the reality of today though, because it's been a lot
(31:50):
exposed in this game of hip hop and a lot
of shit of what you do that everything is not
what it seems. But unfortunately, there are some people who
still feel like I can be what he is, or
I'm just as good as he is, or I write better,
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or my content is better or you know, because that's
the thing today, you're getting me. Everything is content shit.
Everything is content shit. So that's the name of the
game today. But like I said, there's some people who
can accept the fact that I could be normal. You're
getting me. I can get up and go work a
(32:34):
normal job and not feel like I'm inadequate or I'm
less of a motherfucker because shit, my neighbor or one
of my friends is making records or movies or so
and so, and then I got to get up every
morning at five o'clock and put on my clothes and
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go punch a clock.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know what. In beginnon like you always say, there's
nothing wrong with that life and a lot of aspects
I envy the motherfucker sometimes eight because you know what,
when you a normal motherfucker, right, the first thing you're
getting let's say you want the motherfuckers right, You're getting
to check every week every two weeks, and your job,
(33:20):
you have certain work hours, right, you might work for
six in the morning with two or three and a
half minom Right, when you get to come home, you
get to go do what the fuck you want. You
ain't got nobody bothering you, feel what I'm saying, right,
But like with our profession, for example, we might have
to go jump on a plane to be in the
airport for six hours out the fucking day. Right, you
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gotta be away from your family. You got motherfuckers. You
can't sit at the restaurant without a motherfucker harassing you
sometimes not seeing that. We don't like talking to people
you know are fans. It's cool to me fans, but
when you go to work, that shit has turned off.
With this shit that we doing. Dog, it's twenty four
hours a fucking day. People feel like they can get
in your business or just say shit to you, saying
(34:04):
whatever the fuck you want to because see, when you're
the common man, you just say, oh, chill, you're doing
your thing. You go to a restaurant, if a motherfucker
dish you, you looking at them like they crazy, like like,
excuse me, you're going to put your business? Well this
shiit You open game for every motherfucker body. Well, definitely,
and you are well.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That comes with the territory.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And I've been in the entertainment business since I was
fucking seventeen years old. You're open for that. And it
wasn't so bad back then when I first jumped into it.
But now that is the direction of everything to death,
(34:55):
exposure and finding out shit and and trying to you know,
have a motherfucker rattle your life. It seems like the
norm nowadays. Like I said, back in my days, it
wasn't so much frowned upon even if you did get
(35:15):
into situations. But today, shit, that's the number one thing man.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, it is, man. And don't get me wrong, I
feel less enforcement because you know, you work hard to
attain some of the things that you've have, right, But
I just tell people all the time. Stuff anytime, man,
somebody paying you to do something, and it seems like
it's easy. It's the reason why motherfuckers get the more
they get, because you can go through a bunch of
(35:43):
bullshit sought definitely, and it ain't none the worse it.
And you know what was bad with the music, bro,
I'm gonna tell you why the music industry was so
bad with it because motherfuckers always thought you had more
than what you have. It's like your fame might be
bigger than the money you got.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Oh that was all well, some people that that's the case.
Like I said back then, in the early days, you know,
you fascinated with celebrities and stars and shit like that.
(36:20):
I don't know what a motherfucker was getting on their contract,
but you couldn't tell me a motherfucker that I was
watching on the big screen or listening to on a
record wasn't a millionaire twice over, maybe three times. It's
just what people anticipate from that walk of life. You
(36:40):
get me now. Shit, if you're a motherfucker delivering mail
every day, or you a motherfucker picking up the trash
every friday, or the motherfucker who classroom you walking in
teaching you giving enough, damn you're getting me. That's a
(37:02):
normal motherfucker. So to them, no matter, you could be
the four men. You could be making one hundred thousand
dollars a year, living in a nice comfortable crib and
you're good for you not to have no pressure. But
the expectations of the fan or the outside looking in Islam, please,
(37:25):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think that it is too I think that's a
big part of what it. I think people at home,
like you know, women, children, they look at people that's
on TV. Oh they are doing something extraordinary, so they
got all this money. You feel what I mean, It's
like I think people are. I wonder how many people
are disappointed once they do get in the industry.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I guess it all depends on what your expectation is.
And lasaid for myself, I didn't know what the fuck
they expect, but my being intrigued would becoming an entertainer
or a rapper or whatever you want to say, gangster
rapper or whatever. I was just and fascinated by the situation.
(38:21):
I didn't know what the fuck the fat boys was getting.
I didn't know. All I seen was limos and fat
dookie ropes and niggas had their pictures and write all
magazine and word.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Up and shit.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And I was a kid and I had all the
little posters up on my wall and nigga. There was
Eric b or Rokim nigga. There was Utfo and Heavy
D and the boys and shitt, and I didn't know
what the fuck the niggas got. The fat dukie ropes
and nigga they and the motherfucker limbos In. So I never,
(38:57):
I don't know. I never questioned, like nigga feel to
be an overnight millionaire because I was hanging around with
regular niggas who was These niggas is doing beats and
got studios and shit like that, and these niggas just
as broke as me and nigga, I'm just a young
hustler and shit and so it. Never, I don't know.
(39:21):
I never thought of the money and up to me
as a motherfucking naive minded kid. Nigga, I thought you
made it just by being able to put a record out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yes, real, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know if I even thought about it. You
know what, am I finna make some fucking money? Or
for if my nigga Finny have be a fat dookie,
you'd be a couple of liberal rideses.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You ain't thinking about all that. You just thinking about
the old papa, really just gonna do your ship. But
you know what's funny. You put your first record out
what thirty years ago? Sh yeah, thirty years ago. So
I was listening to some shit the white she said,
and why she I ain't gonna say he's a new artist.
He's been in the game for a minute now. But
I learned him say, man, he was like, I didn't
(40:08):
make no money with diff Jim. I'm side to check
that they gave me when I first signed here out
to see no more money from them. So you think
about it, shit ain't changed. She said, he got this
stuff right now. That seemed like everybody kind of get
that introduction because they taking the risks. They are taking
(40:29):
the risks. You know. It's because for every other artists
to come out, man, I think maybe only twenty five
thirty percent of them actually working.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Paying out contracts are fucking tricky, you get me. I
don't know if anybody really and I don't know, but
like I said, being young and naive and not having
the knowledge of entertainment contracts and points and publishing and
(41:01):
all that type of shit, a lot of us were
naive as far as what the bottom line is gonna be. Shit.
I put out three records in my first career and
I've never seen a royalty check, and a lot of
niggas are in the same situation. You try to make
(41:25):
money off of what they're gonna advance you to make
the record. That's how you try to get some money
in your pocket, and you know what you can make
successfully off of touring because if you have your contracts
set up straight, label ain't getting none of your tour
and shit. So you get the pocket all of that.
(41:47):
But as far as you know, signing your first deal
and thinking you should have put out a record, that
motherfucker ain't even come to tell you, Nigga, you gotta
platinum record, And Nigga, you're sitting up at home going
I got a platinum, but I'm still sitting up at home.
You get me. I'm in the same spot I was
in eight months ago with a platinum record because you realize, Nigga,
(42:10):
theyin't charge you for licking a staff in that motherfucker.
You get me, and you don't really pay attention to that, Like, Okay,
I'm going back and forth to New York and were
doing these contracts and these deals, and Nigga, I'm going
to have lunch here and I'm doing this and that,
and the whole time they going charge back, charge back,
(42:31):
charge back, charge back, so you could have a motherfucking
platinum rentor and still, like Nigga, I didn't see it
dying when that Rason.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Don't see anybody else sit on your uh on your seat,
which is that you know they got the seat that
they show you all the bills that you get the plays.
Did you ever see any other artist shit on your ship? No?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I mean when when I did my first projects, we didn't.
I didn't do guests, appearances and shit. I didn't start
getting people on my records until made me my third
album because a known who probably knew the cost of
(43:16):
shit and knowing that this hand was in the pot,
This hand's in the pot, this hand is in the pot.
By the time the money come to me, I'm really
the nigga who has to go out and pay for
this record to get done right. So by him being
able to control that shit knowing at that time, shit,
(43:40):
a nigga cost you thirty thousand to get on his
gil record and getting me back then it wasn't no
you know, savor for a favor or you know beat
Bakers was like, oh man here, let me man I respect,
let me give you this beat and whatever and blah blah.
Nigga back then it was oh, you want to say,
(44:00):
you want to beat from Dre, you want to beat
from whoever? The producers was at the time, may you
spending anywhere between five and twenty thousand for one single beat?
So when you were controlling that shit, Now I got
ninety thouts. You think I'm finna give up twenty to
(44:23):
pay for a nigga to be old eights w rec man. Please,
we ain't give no guest of benches. And that's why
we I'm gonna control the production. So even if I
did want beats from another motherfucker, it wasn't able to
happen because a nigga knowing the actuality. We ain't got
no million dollar budget. Hell, lor nigga, I got ninety grand,
(44:47):
and fifty percent of that I want to stick in
my pocket. So now I got to figure out a
way to really do this record for about thirty grand.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, you need to get you some money. And that's
what it was cool for you to work in house with.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Your own producer others, right, I mean, but that's why
I was kept in house all the way, you know.
And I just figured by the time I was able
to take over, I might as well keep the shit
in the house.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm not gonna start.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Running to you know, so and so and so and
so and so and so, because now I'm gonna be
in the same position. Nigga, I got motherfucking two hundred
thousand and beats is twenty grand. You're getting to complete
a whole record, is my whole budget. So you have
to you have to start producing for yourself or working
(45:38):
with a team of motherfuckers that you go, I'm setting
this aside for the budget as far as production go,
and this what it is. So that's what you have
to start doing. But knowledge don't come along because when
you're young and naive, man, you just the dream of
just taking yourself out of what you're going through every days,
(46:00):
especially if you're a nigga in the hood, selling dope,
gang banging, or just being a poverty. Motherfucker. I don't
want to take myself out of this. Nigga dangle fifteen
grand in your face. You think you that's gonna change everything.
You're not knowing that ends and out. So it's difficult,
and like you said, everything is like a miarage. It's
(46:22):
not what it seems because niggas will be fronting like nigga,
I got ten million off of this shit and knowing
damn we all know you though, there's no way possible
if you do that, the actual real situations of a
contract and how points work and how them motherfucker's charging
My fucker, I was on the phone for an hour
(46:44):
with your old manager. A thousand dollars everything is charged
back to you.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
You feel me. So it's kind of rough, you know what, though, Man,
I'll tell everybody I've been in some movies and shit. Man,
I like to I think acting shit out of all
this shit, I think angling is probably best ship. Yeah,
acting is probably the best shit they get paid. You know.
I think that's because they got a union and you.
I think I think that needs to be a union
(47:13):
of music, because you still got the same shit that
was going on thirty years ago go on today. Today
it's a little bit better because you got companies like
Empire and.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Shit like that.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, the structure they did, it's a little bit
more artists friendly. You know, they actually given catch their
own labels and shit like that. So I think it's
a little bit better today, man, But it's still a
lot of fuck we going on there.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
It is because motherfucker's still picking choose who they want
to invest in. It's still not a fair playing field
of you know you got a good song. You got
a good song. So same thing we do for you,
you know we do for them, we're gonna do for you.
(47:58):
It doesn't work like that if you got gonna invest
in my project and how my shit's gonna make any
noise like you doing the other motherfucker. You know they
got videos, they got billboards, You're scheduling clubs for them
because you believe in that project. I always feel that
if you don't believe in the shit and you don't
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feel you can do what you can do for anybody
else can. A lot of times that's how motherfuckers get
caught up in these deals and then situations turn. The
situations turn real ugly and nasty sometimes in these situations
of label bills and independence, because you want a fair shot,
(48:43):
justlke the you know, the rest of motherfuckers, because you
feel your shit is just as good might be, might
not be. And I guess that's where you gotta roll
the dice. But there's a lot of good shit that's
being overlooked it because people just have their preferences of
what they want to believe in.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Well, I just think, man, and again we go back
for the regular person ship, right, you staying a better
shot man making a bunch of money by finding you
a trade or some shit like that, something that you
want to do. If you say, okay, I want to
fix cars, you can make millions of dollars doing that.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
You feel what I'm saying. I think we look too
much to entertainment and the business man that wears so
many jobs. That's like everybody inspire us to play at
the NBA, NFL be a rapper. There's only so many
spots for that shit. And it's a fresh new croper,
motherfucker's coming every year. Not just them, but the ones
that still think they could play. You might be a
(49:48):
four twenty five year old rookie. You ain't just competing
against the niggas that they traveling next you. You competing against
the dudes that might be in the league three or
four years. You might be going against a cat that
played three or four years. You know what I'm saying,
three four years the league that might have took a
year off or whatever. Because even want to go back
to the greeting, I eat back. You're going to gainst
(50:08):
all that stuff. It's way he'sier man to go get you.
Some regular shit going up. Yeah, it's hard to convince
people of that though, like not seeing nobody shouldn't drink,
but but me, just you know what this is I'm having. Man,
I'm having one of them because you know, I just
have my birthday. It's like, you know, I'm a gym bikes.
Like you think, the older you get, the more you
start thinking different. You feel what I'm saying right, because
(50:30):
I would have done so much shit different if I
was young. Brea again, man, yeah, you you.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
I think once you get to a certain age to
where I don't want to say you're you're you're comfortable
with with shit, but you in a different place and
can understand shit a little bit better, how life going,
and how you really can't focus on shit you can't control.
(51:05):
And I think the older we get, we start realizing
that there's just certain situations that whether good or bad,
it just happens, and you have to be able to
accept what's in your path. I think, you know, we
all get to a point to where we start thinking, man,
(51:29):
if I knew this shit, I wouldn't have done that,
or I wouldn't have done that. But then I look
at those uh, those are the lessons that we have
to learn going through life without the hand being held
or you know, like sometimes I say about with my
(51:51):
son or with anybody. Uh, you know, I'm I'm older
then and been through more experiences. Sometimes I tell motherfuckers
if they're gonna have to learn, you know, for themselves?
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah you do. You know what's funny?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
And I think some situations had to happen for you
to be able to look back on shit and be
able to accept shit today. Because if they didn't happen,
how you know, you would be able to be in
control if that check didn't come, or you couldn't get
(52:29):
this deal to go down. But because you've been through
situations in your life that you had to take that
step and you had to learn them from it is
why you can go through ship today and go yeah
or no, you're getting situations come on, situations come about today.
(52:49):
It's not even the contemplation. It's yeah, I can do
that shit or nah, too bad, man, I can't do
that shit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, pretty much. You know what I just found out.
It's got some information there. He is a hip hop
unity and I guess some sudden deep from public enemy
curtis blowing Doggie Fresh all the ogs. They got a
it's called the Hip Hop Alliance. I guess the Hip
Hop Alliance has already formed a strategic partnership with the
(53:17):
Screen Actors Give American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.
The collaborative difference between the two organizations with focus on
our reaching engagement with from the hip hop and the
R and B community, the affiliation with benefit artists and
being treated fairly informed of contractual obligations. The ignorantble pay
has one of the initiatives between two organizations.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
But have you heard anything about this? I don't think so.
I heard something about something where they was trying to
give you know, dudes who they didn't feel that they
just do or paid their dues. They were given them
money or some shit like that.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
This could be some good stuff, but if you ain't
heard about it, they're not doing a good example of
marking it. And they I'd always well, that's what would
have to happen, if they would probably have to look
up with sag and after him.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, you know, but will they be considered, as you know,
on the same page as Sag and After. As far
as actors and actresses are concerned.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Well, didn that mean you would have to have like oh,
I guess the music. It would be the equivalent like
what union skill is. You know how motherfucker's got a
certain amount that you gotta pay somebody. Maybe they say, okay,
a record deal at minimum has to be as many
points in order for it to be fair. Or they
got to get their masters back if they were cooping
three years or some shit like that five years, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Right, hip hops, like I said, we've been fround to
fall upon for a lot long time. Still, I don't
think we've ever been able to get our just do
and be considered equal as other you know, especially in
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certain situations where you know, rap has been put on
the stand. You know, when niggas you know, would try
to cop out and say, oh I shot a motherfucker
because I was listening to Sew and so. But violent
movies never got that rap, you feel me. Or I
(55:25):
was watching motherfucking Good Sellers and nigga, I went and
shot up a bank full of people or some shit
because I saw Goodfellas last night, Or I saw a
terminator and so I just wanted to walk in and
just shoot a bunch of motherfuckers and blame it on terminator.
(55:45):
You me, it's never had that, that's that rap. But
we've always been frowned upon. So maybe because of that
is why we can never be considered equal like you said, yeah,
and it would it would be a good thing. Like
I said, I've always talked about, you know, having hip
(56:07):
hop healthcare and niggas be signed to these labels and
producing all this income. And then you know, uh, why
can't I get on the labels health plan? Why can't
I get on I'm.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Pretty sure that people are marketing and he and Earl
all they got health benefits.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
I mean shit, the niggas in the mail room, the
people answering the phones, the secretaries in the front of
the offices. You know that, the average motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
You said when you were signing Sony, you couldn't negotiate
that in your contract and saying, you know what, I'm
gonna have health benefits, I won't.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
I guess if we would have been smart enough to
consider that, it should have been considered like, as long
as I'm signed here for the length of my contract,
I should have y'all health care you're getting instead of
having to try to break my pockets to pay for
(57:06):
some decent health care, you know, for me or my
my children or whatever. Why not because I'm pretty sure
or I'm whatever. I'm signing a contract, so I should
be considered, you know, under as some kind of employee.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
You would think.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Record company, Yeah, we partners, So then they get on
your good health plan because I don't have one.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, well, I guess they probably record company probably make
money off of deer reference. It makes you realize that
all behind we use a lot of shit.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, well, I don't know if it's just being just
being thick headed as a as a youth, not having
the knowledge to care for self, to feel like, man,
before I go buy alex a weed or motherfucking blicky
(58:01):
or wootie, won't I will get myself some health for
the sure getting me. Won't think about that ship, I don't.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
I guess if that's feeling like because being uneducated about
like I said, uh, being uneducated about your health as
a young man, that was something you didn't think about.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, but let me ask you this. Did your mom
every talk to you about insurance and having health care
and making sure you kept your credit straight and all
that like, be real, because I ain't never had the conversations.
Speaker 3 (58:34):
With my pet no. I mean, and you probably figured
a lot of our elders who came from the struggle,
they wouldn't put in those situations. You're getting me my grandfather,
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you know Mississippi and you know peg farm and ship
like that. Ain't telling the motherfucker like you know, you
take care of your taxes and what eve.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Mon fucker survive. So that's what I'm telling you this.
I'm gonna tell you this. I think that, and I
know it's a percentage of black people that do have
their come with these tele SEMs. I know. I for
sure talk to my kids about keeping their credit good.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I mean, but you're actually you got educated today. That's
what mean. I can tell my son today, like we
have talks and I'd be like, you know, you got
to watch your spending and you don't want to do this,
and your credit is important and you don't want to
go out and do that and do that and then
you know if you got a phone bill or you
(59:46):
gotta this, or you that you know, pay your ship
on time.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Fiscally responsible motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
You know, because you you want that. That's my thing.
You want to save your and that, and that's just my,
uh my thought of it. You want to save a
motherfucker from going through a lot of shit that you
went through because it was fucked up shit. And I
(01:00:15):
know that as a as a parent, I don't want
a motherfucker to have to go through that shit. That
was some fuck up shit I went.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Man, our kids shouldn't go through miss off left and
hard that we've been through exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So, not that they shouldn't learn and they shouldn't you know,
be able to get off situations on their own. But
I'm the type of motherfucker if I can prevent you
from you know, if I can prevent you from going
through this, this and this, because at your age, I
(01:00:53):
went through that, and if I could avoided that shit,
if somebody would have educated me to all nigga when
you're nineteen you don't want to do that, or you
don't want to do that, or if I just had
a motherfucker that I didn't have that because I was
in a situation where it was moms just trying to
(01:01:15):
get you know, maintain your family when your parents separate.
It's like so while moms was trying to support and
stable the household. It left us to the vices. There
was nobody else to go. Hey, y'all, y'all don't do that. No,
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we was left to our own vices. And it wasn't
like my sister was like, come on, come on, we
gonna be My sister was like, nigga clean, this is
the hood.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
You know what. I'm sorry us to see, ma'am with
our listeners. Man, what percentage of whose parents talking about
having their credit right? Because all that shit is important?
Shit man, I mean it is because, like you said,
your credit, getting health insurance and making sure if you
all want to insurance.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Because at some point you want your kid to succeed
and if you can succeed over me, I would be
very great. So that is that is the model. I
just you know, I just wish for, you know, all
the young homies to really try to craft themselves into
(01:02:25):
being artists. You're getting me, let's make some music and
let's you know, we had shootouts and we had niggas
died from the hoods and all that type of ship,
but we dealt with situations. We dealt with those situations differently.
You're getting me, this is something for us to try
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to enjoy uh as as as black people. You know,
we came up with this hip hop ship. A lot
of motherfuckers were trying to move into our territory and
our neighborhood and basically get us out, so to speak.
We got a lot of outsiders who come into the
(01:03:08):
game and try to make themselves efficient. But we have
to learn that this is our music and we don't
want to keep jeopardizing it. You get me. We don't
want to go back to them days where motherfuckers is
scared of our ship. You're getting me. And if all
our music is I'm gonna go kill Tony next week
(01:03:32):
or you give me life, how is that? How is
that entertainment for?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
And then it leads our youth for stray because now
music is gonna be turned into really just just beefing music,
you get me, or or or affiliation music, like all
songs are gonna turn into We're gonna kill y'all next
(01:03:59):
week and then okay, so now we're gonna kill Tony.
And then we killed Tony with the a K and
Johnny shot Y and he got out and ran up
on the nigga and then we Shoty two times, and
you know it's weird, like there'll be some bullshit. If
if y'all want to if if you want to, uh
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tell on yourselves or talk about you know whatever, there's
other ways. You know, just just go bang, Just go
just go bang leading music alone and just bang.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
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to another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. It's your
boy Big Still along with Yeah, you know what monumental
week in LA for hip hops this year. You know,
Kate out had his big concert down there. Man, everybody
in their mom was down there.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think it was a good thing for the city.
What you think it was pretty It was pretty good.
I mean, oh, down play it. Uh you know, it
was a nice little turnout, so to speak. I know,
my son went down there. You know, I guess some
you know, some people you know was questioning who who
(01:44):
should have been there or who wasn't there? I know,
your ms blowing up. He was up there. I got
a couple of people asking me was our going.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
A couple of people I knew was in the audience,
and uh, they were like when he started Mad City.
They was just you know, that would have made my night.
If they would have you would have came out and
did your part of Mad City. I said, yeah, it's
all good, but uh, not to take you don't take
nobody shine, you know, even really you know, it wasn't
(02:16):
even about uh that that situation. I'm still appreciative of
just being able to be on the project, on the song.
But you know, some people, you know, it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think it was cool. I think in those situations,
to be honest with you, normally, as beautiful as they are,
you go always have somebody mad at you, bust some shit.
It's good because I saw a few people that were
upset because they felt like they should have been involved
with the show or whatever. You know, it's like you
can't have everybody.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Man Yeah, for you know, for his line of of
you know, his line of or his generation of people
that's in his lane as far as when they came
out or the type of artists they or I thought
(03:08):
he served the purpose efficiently, you know from him and
you know he's ju I at schoolwork Q and they
have soul and then hippie uh uh, you know people
like Osamples old Sima.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know you saw a headset and who they brought
out and I don't know how that was coordinated, but
you know people were pleased.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well you know what man and't know telling man normally
when you have situations like that. You know, he and
his glasses DJ Okay, he glasses DJ. He and his DJ.
And because of glasses, you know, Glasses kind of empowered
him with that because he was doing his podcast shit
before everybody pretty much you know homegrown radio. No, he
(03:57):
was doing homegrown radio, but he wasn't a day. Glasses
kind of got him his first set in turntables and
told him. Heby, man, you need to you know you
should become to DJ Okay. And I say all that
to say is I don't make he had had no
controls he was able to bring out there. You feel
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I said, I watched it on Amazon. I'm pride, you know.
I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, it was dope, man.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And I thought it was dope paying to be honest
with you, to see homies like hey, just me knowing
where he come from to the stuff he's doing now,
I'm proud of all that's good ship.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, I mean because I said, like, it's sort
of like the situation like I was in with being
on the record on Mad City. They could have reached
out to you know, a ton of other people or whoever. Well,
but I felt like for the times and for like
(04:58):
I said, Kendrick is like behind us as far as
generation of hip Hoppin's concern representing Cofton, you know you
had to you know, you had the n WA's and whatever,
and then we came along and you know, then you
know you had YG and them come along and Kendrick
(05:19):
and all that. So you know it's it's good representation,
especially from Compton.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, it's no bad, you know, Compton was deffinitely in
the house. I forgot about that. You did have yse
and all of them. Yeah, and I saw a game.
He came out and had some things to say. But
I wouldn't want to overshadow that moment, man, because you
had a whole bunch of people. One outs. It was
a bunch of beat dogs there. But there was a
lot of quips there too, definitely, and didn't nothing to
pop off. Everything was cool. It was lovely, so you know,
(05:45):
shout out to that. And I think it was cool.
And it's one of those things. No one the homies.
If we wanted to pull up there, we could have
pulled up.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, I didn't even Uh, I didn't even think about it,
you know, you mean neither because if father got invited up,
probably wouldn't have went anyway, because it's just with those things.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Now, the kid did ask me, did I have any
way of getting in contact, you know, because he definitely
wanted to go, And I hadn't even thought about, you know,
hitting you to hit topping them or whatever. But his
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sister knows a few people close to them, and she
was able to get tickets, so he went with big sister.
He said he had a good time. He had a
good time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And that's the main thing about it, man, that the
people have a good time, you know what. And I'm
gonna tell you like this, I'm cool enough with them cats.
If I wanted to go see Kendrick just to ketch
up with him, it wouldn't be in no thing like
that because he ain't got no time to be talking
on my ass base DGGs.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Right, you really work, You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He at work. You know, I'm this child. If I
wanted to go see the army, it would be plenty
of other place I don't go where I would ask
to be able to sit down and talk to him
and see what's going on with him.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And I said, it's not to take away from his achievement,
his accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Uh uh.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And it was a good it was a good light
shot shine on the city. But I don't want to
you know. It was great for you know, niggas who
were in the hood steal and you know, having to
represent and do that ship. Uh, to be able to
(07:34):
come to a situation like that, and uh, everybody mingling
and getting along.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But it was dope.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
We we over here a lot of us who have
matured in our mind states about ship like that. We've
been in several situations where it's been a mix of
different neighborhoods and different affiliates and you know, and I
(08:05):
can say that I've been to a couple of little
motherfucking events where, yeah, we just had.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The thing, what was that maybe six months ago to
the concert that may ten exactly, and it was all love, man,
And that's what I was. That's what the one thing
about it is, everyone outside of the coach kept making
such a big deal. There were so many games in
one place. I was like, we're not just savages out here.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I mean, but you though, it's it's always been frowned
upon from uh an. Even now you can go to
different motherfucking states and niggas is cripping and blood into
the fullest. You feel this and they're feeling like, you know,
authentic from the gate, and you can't tell the motherfucker
any different. You give me like born and bread from
nigga issue. We've been bloods and crips niggas since the
(08:50):
inception of this ship, and everybody really knows how that
went down. But like I said, weird people frown upon
us because of having a gang motherfucking situation. But people
gotta understand, you know, growing up in the neighborhoods and
(09:10):
being a subject to gang life, it's really just like
a community of just like motherfucker drafting you to the army,
you know what I'm saying. You grow up in the hood,
and most likely if you don't have those avenues of
(09:32):
walking a different walk, most likely you gonna grow up affiliated.
And then most of the time it's just my friend
association and just connection and community of nigga. We ride
bikes together and we living in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Really, that's what it's all about. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
We like I said, we start off riding bikes together,
and then we playing little league football together. Then then
we're going to elementary to get and then I mean
by the time you get to junior high school and
you're seeing the big homies on the corner and this
is the neighborhood, and you feeling like sort of like
(10:11):
the right of passage you getting unless you have that
different outlook of well, I'm gonna play some sports or
I'm gonna do something different, you know what I'm saying.
But most of the time niggas grow up, won't affiliate
themselves because shit, this is my whole foundation. This is
what I know, nigga him over across the street, him
(10:33):
around the corner, him down the street, them two blocks away,
So you feel connected by that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So it is, but you know on a once somber
and darker. No, the cat who are you? The young
man who you fulio lost his life? And this is
what I don't get about this. If you one of
those guys that like to go on the internet and
talk about people and the spirits people talk about people's
dead ownly, don't make public posts about what you're going
(11:03):
to do. Why would you make a post we're having
a I'm having a birthday party over here at the
hotel for uh raise a peace to him is just
a saying shit, you know, but that wasn't the brightest
move in the world.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean, because you know, I don't want to put
it like you know, it's it's the day and age
of the young generation because me, as a young gang banger,
we didn't have internet and social media and shit like that.
(11:41):
But it seems like when somebody threw a block house party,
niggas knew the party was cracked.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah you know what.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And then not to cut you off, but ship biggas
knew where the party was cracking. It comes through a
spray that motherfucker you sall me so I want to
put it on that, but you making it easier for
your opposite. And then if you know you are are
having real serious issues, because like I said once again,
(12:13):
it's one thing to go back and forth on the
microphone with some bragged, docious nigga I'm flyed in you
or nigga my versus as hard enemies. Now can you imagine, uh,
you know, if if OG's from our time had the
(12:37):
mind state of the young homies today of just like
oh yeah we we know we did nigga, we hush
you feel me? That was some quiet shit. If you
jumped in the car and hear the nigga block and
bing bing most of the time niggas was trying to
wake it, make it to where we won't niggas to
(13:00):
think it's somebody else.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Really, you didn't have your last, Your last the last
thing in your mind, bro was doing some ship to
where the fingers to point back at you exactly. You
didn't think like that, you said I want to be
niggers pictures as possible. Now, first thing, somebody come out
of sales, are smoking on that Julio folio, peck.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And then another thing, another thing is is it's it's
like I said, we've can't We've come from from from
from beefing on records, right. But the truth and the
(13:50):
situations that we pulled back in, it was always taught
that it was quiet on the set, right, it was all.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Of your.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
H It's amazing because, like I said, I pay attention,
and it's had me curious lately that I've been on
YouTube watching a lot of how these beefs are started
and originated, and it's young niggas as bold as a motherfucker.
(14:25):
I hand the team there because they have no problem
going in the studio talking about the dead. You know,
my man had, motherfucker like they'd be like, I'm gonna
put I'm gonna put dead oppositions on shirts. Uh, we're
(14:46):
gonna make up rap songs and basically explaining how they hit,
got pulled off, who got smoked, what kind of pistol
it was, you get me, and and just just braggadocious
with it. And I guess it's the new form of
(15:08):
you know our when sets was beefing and you go
through the sets and nigga might cross out your hood
or or or woopy wop.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Uh, that's that new form of gay of baby this.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Right, yeah, you know what they're doing now? This cat
young and as he came out with the track the
next day after Julio Fulio died. Of course, yeah, Julio
Folios this his brother on a song. No, yes, brother
on a song. So now he came back. He got
a song called what his name of this song? Do it?
(15:42):
He could? He came up with record called do It.
I guess they have been going back and forth a
little bit, man, But when there's this stop now, so
what's happening on one of Julio Folio's homies gonna go
back and get a m now?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I mean basically, yeah, I mean that's the cold. I
mean from what I've been from what I've been following
with not just their situation, but all of the situations
around all the little clicks and crews from Chicago to
Atlanta down over in Florida. I've been peeping out all
the situations and definitely somebody's finna come back with somebody's
(16:21):
gonna and and not to just say it out blatantly,
but somebody's gonna die because that's how the situation falls
new Gigli. It's it's the retaliation game. But it's like
I said, it's bold and out now because nigga we
at the crib with we at the crib with the
(16:44):
michaelphones and the beats, and we stand right here and
make you know, and our songs is gonna be like Okay,
y'all got the homie and now it's it's it's like,
it's the situation is like we have to so of course, uh,
because it ain't like niggas is finna be on like
the quiet or the low weighted. You feel me, They're
(17:06):
not gonna be like, well, it's gonna be drawing in
the streets. Niggas all probably think or the feel that
we had something to do with it. So now it's
time to lay loft ship. Man, the nigga's gonna be
on the block the next day and braggadocious bouder shooting.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Videos and everything. And you know it's said, man, the
young man got cute and his birthday, Man, I feel
for his parents, you know, his mama talking about shooting
documentary now. But on the opposite side, you got the
his enemies out there making videos and stuff. I don't know, man,
it's just gotta be I'm glad I don't have kids
doing this, erdog, it would have been hard.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bro. And I'm Jolio made that video at his brother's
grave site.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He's really that because you know what you sound like.
You sound like just on the podcast saying the people
can't hear objective point of view. Yeah, you know what
the thing is wrong? He this this? You know, he
this his dead brother budget video. At at some point though,
you have to at it's easy to say the dumb man.
(18:12):
You gotta practice some exercise and maturity, Like we got
to get a little bit more mature as a people man,
especially this young generation. Scare me not to be out here.
Sound like the old nigga dog in the room. But
these little niggas is off the hook though. Yeah, that's
why it's a different time. As far as, like I said.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
With the uh, the representation of wanting to uh, I
guess you know, be what you say as far as
in your raps or what you're rhyming about. Because dudes
(18:52):
they're not making songs. They're just making death threats on
records if you want to, you know, And hip hop
is like I said, it shines a bad light on
hip hop because this is isn't what it's intended for.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's just like, uh, you know, with the with the
podcast game, you get me. There's some podcasts where you know,
motherfuckers have you know, loyal fans and straight to the point,
no ship and whatever whatever. And then a lot of
shows be niggas who are or starting their own platforms
(19:35):
or whatever because they want to get their feelings off
their chests.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Can I see something about podcasting real quick? Go ahead,
This is from me to even the internet is fucking
for right now. We don't need no more podcasts. Every
time I turn around, man, it's a motherfucker coming up
with a damn podcast. I don't know what niggas think.
Stop listening to these niggas telling your they don't got
(20:00):
thirty or forty million dollars on these deals. That shit
ain't happening like that. There's no way for a coming
to make the money back. Now it's some brothers haven't
been getting some money, but now it's not the name
that they say they get. Dog, I've been doing this
shit for a long time and I wish like and
don't take this as me being aided or nothing. Dog. Okay, Well,
every time I turn around it's a nigga coming out
(20:22):
with a podcast. I'm like, Okay, now what the other is?
This dude will talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
A lot of times they've become nigga's own personal rant pages.
It's what they become. I mean, because let's face it,
it takes some skill to be able to communicate and
intrigue the public with conversations and content that's really you know, interest,
(20:52):
you know necessary. A lot of times have pot these
podcasts or are are dudes who want to take their
personal rants out on motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
They appose you're getting more ready this motherfuckers. I'm gonna
tell you what it turned into. Man. You know what
YouTube us now. YouTube is the news that ship the
motherfuckers got General Relief g R. YouTube is the new
fucking gr for lazy ass niggas who don't want to
get a fucking job because they figured, man, if I
(21:28):
can go out there and this niggas, especially these old niggas, right,
you know, it ain't just them, mister young You know
these younger dudes doing they shit, They're doing the streaming
shit right right. But I'm looking to see the older dudes.
They out there trying to discasts now. They think that's
the way. They don't want to do no research, They
don't want to come up with nothing to talk about.
They figure, well, man, you know what, oh these cats
(21:50):
doing all right over here. We gon dish them niggas
and make them go back and forth with us. It's
returning now, man. And that kind of start, and that
kind of started, you know, with the raw shit. You know,
when a niggas.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Started rapping and feeling like, well, I'm just gonna jump
in the rap game just by dissing the mother and
that's gonna get me. That's gonna get a motherfucker. I
asked the question of this when back in the day.
It was about ten years ago or whatever. So nigga
asked me to get on the record winning. And I'm
(22:24):
asking a nigga like, okay, send me to beat what
the concept about? Blah blah blah. And he comes back
and goes, well, I don't know, I'm just gonna diss
some motherfuck And this was you know somebody who was
making noise at the time, and you know, popularity was
(22:48):
getting up there, and so I questioned them, motherfucking I'm like,
oh that y'all have some problems or issues or something.
And the nigga said no. I don't even know the nigga,
but I think that if I did something, it's a
way for me to get exposed fast. And I turned
the song down and I said, dude, that's not how.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'm come into the game, like, oh, make a good
fucking South.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But I think with the popularity of bullshit and mess
got so popular that it changed the course of the
game to oh fuck that, I'm not finna go try
to create a great song and you know, get fans
(23:37):
on just being humble and able to really produce good music.
I'm gonna come into this shit on some fuck this
motherfucker so people can go, oh, who is this? You know,
it's instant, Like I said, they like instant gratification today,
So that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, we in this world of the tournament right now, though, man,
because I noticed it with everybody. Everyone thinks that they
are supposed to get something. Ain't nobody supposed to go
out and earn nothing. Ain't nobody supposed to go out
to work. But just because you got to guess what,
you're supposed to give it to him. Mate, you made it.
(24:14):
You got a record deal, right, how come I'm not on?
Oh you got a podcast, You got the plug of
the podcast, but you ain't trying to plug me up.
Don't nobody owe nobody nothing. Dog. I don't never look
at no motherfucker like they on me, shit, dog, just
because I know what, motherfucker, just because I know somebody
(24:35):
supposed to give it to me, and I'm even noticing
it now. I asked a question that they man, and
you know what, this ain't got nothing to do with
my personal business and nothing. But I thought about it
because you know, I and my son's talking about getting
married one day and all this and all that. Right,
But I really thought about it, bro, and I said,
you know what, is it really a word for a
(24:57):
motherfucker to go out and get married? Because when I
mean think of motherfucker owing something, you think about this, bro,
The average motherfucker in this country make about sixty five
grand I think, right, that's the average man in this
country make about sixty five thousand dollars, right, But a
woman that passed up to do with to make seventy
five thousand, the dude to make eighty thousand, looking for
(25:18):
a dude to make millions of dollars. It ain't that
many of them. It's only a few people in the
country like that. When you think about that, right, right,
And the more money a person makes, he's gonna have
a certain type of woman on this team. He gets
a successful man, it's not gonna getting no bump ass
brawl that can sit up on their ass all day
and marry her. You feel what I'm saying. So you
(25:39):
got all these women out here chasing the million dollar man.
They passing up to seventy five. They won't settle for them.
And that's usually the dude that the police officer, the
dude that the male man, the dude that might do
be head of a janitorial And our school is something
like that. You know, dudes that make got a good job, right,
might work for the city whatever. Everybody bypass them. Motherfuckers
(26:01):
right there, ain't shit just to go to the top,
like they really got something to offer. That motherfucker at
the top. We in the land of entitlement out though
it's real fucked up out of here right now.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, you know I've always said, you know, being normal
doesn't suit well with with the times of today, and
especially with a female our MOLLU then titlement thing. Uh,
you know, females want to be females. You know, certain
(26:40):
females want to be in a position of like you said,
entitlement to where I feel like, you know, you gotta
make a certain amount of money, you gotta live with,
you know, a certain class of life, you gotta drive
a certain type of vehicle, live in a certain zip code. Uh.
(27:00):
And it's I guess it is great to want certain ship,
but I guess it is pressed to the to the
point of where if you're not in a certain position,
I guess you're you're made to feel you're unworthy.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, yeah, it's it's fucked up because you know what, man,
I'm glad I got a good woman in my life.
But it ain't no but about her. This ain't bought her,
right I look at it, man, Right now, a man
has a start really being selective about who they fucked with,
right right, because someone, I think someone are other mentalities
(27:46):
that they might have just settled fucking with you.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Do you feel what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If you got a woman at home, Dudes out there,
ask your woman next time, ask you the night. If
you listen to this podcast this morning, whenever you listen
to it, ask her, baby, why are you with me?
Do you wish I could be somebody else? I guarantee
you have them. Bitches is lying or every woman thinks
that they worthy of. I don't care how ugly hels.
I don't care how big their heels at a little
(28:10):
their heels. They think in their mind, I deserve it
to be with the motherfucker making fifteen twenty million dollars
a year, while am I with this motherfucker? He can't
go get me this, He can't go get me that king.
The titlement right, everybody feel like they deserve some shit?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well, like I said, are people feeling like I don't know.
I guess you would have to have somebody who's strong
minded and who basically has probably been with you for
a while and has gone through situations as far as
struggles and and and what is looked upon right now
(28:55):
is probably like, hey, everything is great. So I I
don't know if it's trying to say you're cheapen in
yourself by like when motherfucker say I couldn't want anything more,
you get new. But those are people who are settled
with themselves. You feel me.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Where you think about what the average woman telling her
daughter nowadays? Right? And I don't know, every woman is
not the same. Every women are not a moneylift. They're
not all just the fucking the same, right, But it's
just this mentality and not just with the one that
let me get off of them for a minute. With
the men too. Everybody you meet more than that. When
you meet a new person, they are trying to get
(29:35):
in with you because they feel like you can change
their life somehow. Think about it, bro, hey you take
on CD, Oh hey you got my CD, he's gonna
change my wife? Or still talking about he who helped
me with this podcast. My whole life is about to change.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I mean, let's not you know, overshadow the fact that
there are some talent in motherfuckers out here, you know,
but there are situations where people don't understand that. You know,
(30:19):
not everybody can can be that. Uh you know, like
you said, people look to you probably like, oh, it's
think can help me start a podcast? And you don't
you know, outside looking in, it's always more than what's
expected because people don't understand reality when they're on the
(30:43):
outside looking in. Uh. I come from a time with
motherfucker just because you had a video and a record
out you was a millionaire. Situations where our nigga you
got money and offshore accounts and ship like that, because
(31:03):
there's no way that you making records or you were
you on a video or you was in that movie
and ship and she was sitting on a hundred five
of you was, man, you're a motherfucker. You were sitting
on moucker. Yeah, you I got nigga, My money is
offshore accounts and I got it here and over.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Sudden you a't help them to homies up. Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, people don't understand Like myself, I didn't understand contracts,
but people don't understand the ins and outs. They just
looked from the outside and maybe see you got a
new pair of shoes on or so and so, and
you know you you considered the richest motherfucker. I think
the reality of today though, because it's been a lot
(31:50):
exposed in this game of hip hop and a lot
of shit of what you do that everything is not
what it seems. But unfortunately, there are some people who
still feel like I can be what he is, or
I'm just as good as he is, or I write better,
(32:13):
or my content is better or you know, because that's
the thing today, you're getting me. Everything is content shit.
Everything is content shit. So that's the name of the
game today. But like I said, there's some people who
can accept the fact that I could be normal. You're
getting me. I can get up and go work a
(32:34):
normal job and not feel like I'm inadequate or I'm
less of a motherfucker because shit, my neighbor or one
of my friends is making records or movies or so
and so, and then I got to get up every
morning at five o'clock and put on my clothes and
(32:56):
go punch a clock.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know what. In beginnon like you always say, there's
nothing wrong with that life and a lot of aspects
I envy the motherfucker sometimes eight because you know what,
when you a normal motherfucker, right, the first thing you're
getting let's say you want the motherfuckers right, You're getting
to check every week every two weeks, and your job,
(33:20):
you have certain work hours, right, you might work for
six in the morning with two or three and a
half minom Right, when you get to come home, you
get to go do what the fuck you want. You
ain't got nobody bothering you, feel what I'm saying, right,
But like with our profession, for example, we might have
to go jump on a plane to be in the
airport for six hours out the fucking day. Right, you
(33:41):
gotta be away from your family. You got motherfuckers. You
can't sit at the restaurant without a motherfucker harassing you
sometimes not seeing that. We don't like talking to people
you know are fans. It's cool to me fans, but
when you go to work, that shit has turned off.
With this shit that we doing. Dog, it's twenty four
hours a fucking day. People feel like they can get
in your business or just say shit to you, saying
(34:04):
whatever the fuck you want to because see, when you're
the common man, you just say, oh, chill, you're doing
your thing. You go to a restaurant, if a motherfucker
dish you, you looking at them like they crazy, like like,
excuse me, you're going to put your business? Well this
shiit You open game for every motherfucker body. Well, definitely,
and you are well.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That comes with the territory.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And I've been in the entertainment business since I was
fucking seventeen years old. You're open for that. And it
wasn't so bad back then when I first jumped into it.
But now that is the direction of everything to death,
(34:55):
exposure and finding out shit and and trying to you know,
have a motherfucker rattle your life. It seems like the
norm nowadays. Like I said, back in my days, it
wasn't so much frowned upon even if you did get
(35:15):
into situations. But today, shit, that's the number one thing man.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, it is, man. And don't get me wrong, I
feel less enforcement because you know, you work hard to
attain some of the things that you've have, right, But
I just tell people all the time. Stuff anytime, man,
somebody paying you to do something, and it seems like
it's easy. It's the reason why motherfuckers get the more
they get, because you can go through a bunch of
(35:43):
bullshit sought definitely, and it ain't none the worse it.
And you know what was bad with the music, bro,
I'm gonna tell you why the music industry was so
bad with it because motherfuckers always thought you had more
than what you have. It's like your fame might be
bigger than the money you got.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Oh that was all well, some people that that's the case.
Like I said back then, in the early days, you know,
you fascinated with celebrities and stars and shit like that.
(36:20):
I don't know what a motherfucker was getting on their contract,
but you couldn't tell me a motherfucker that I was
watching on the big screen or listening to on a
record wasn't a millionaire twice over, maybe three times. It's
just what people anticipate from that walk of life. You
(36:40):
get me now. Shit, if you're a motherfucker delivering mail
every day, or you a motherfucker picking up the trash
every friday, or the motherfucker who classroom you walking in
teaching you giving enough, damn you're getting me. That's a
(37:02):
normal motherfucker. So to them, no matter, you could be
the four men. You could be making one hundred thousand
dollars a year, living in a nice comfortable crib and
you're good for you not to have no pressure. But
the expectations of the fan or the outside looking in Islam, please,
(37:25):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think that it is too I think that's a
big part of what it. I think people at home,
like you know, women, children, they look at people that's
on TV. Oh they are doing something extraordinary, so they
got all this money. You feel what I mean, It's
like I think people are. I wonder how many people
are disappointed once they do get in the industry.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I guess it all depends on what your expectation is.
And lasaid for myself, I didn't know what the fuck
they expect, but my being intrigued would becoming an entertainer
or a rapper or whatever you want to say, gangster
rapper or whatever. I was just and fascinated by the situation.
(38:21):
I didn't know what the fuck the fat boys was getting.
I didn't know. All I seen was limos and fat
dookie ropes and niggas had their pictures and write all
magazine and word.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Up and shit.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And I was a kid and I had all the
little posters up on my wall and nigga. There was
Eric b or Rokim nigga. There was Utfo and Heavy
D and the boys and shitt, and I didn't know
what the fuck the niggas got. The fat dukie ropes
and nigga they and the motherfucker limbos In. So I never,
(38:57):
I don't know. I never questioned, like nigga feel to
be an overnight millionaire because I was hanging around with
regular niggas who was These niggas is doing beats and
got studios and shit like that, and these niggas just
as broke as me and nigga, I'm just a young
hustler and shit and so it. Never, I don't know.
(39:21):
I never thought of the money and up to me
as a motherfucking naive minded kid. Nigga, I thought you
made it just by being able to put a record out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yes, real, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know if I even thought about it. You
know what, am I finna make some fucking money? Or
for if my nigga Finny have be a fat dookie,
you'd be a couple of liberal rideses.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You ain't thinking about all that. You just thinking about
the old papa, really just gonna do your ship. But
you know what's funny. You put your first record out
what thirty years ago? Sh yeah, thirty years ago. So
I was listening to some shit the white she said,
and why she I ain't gonna say he's a new artist.
He's been in the game for a minute now. But
I learned him say, man, he was like, I didn't
(40:08):
make no money with diff Jim. I'm side to check
that they gave me when I first signed here out
to see no more money from them. So you think
about it, shit ain't changed. She said, he got this
stuff right now. That seemed like everybody kind of get
that introduction because they taking the risks. They are taking
(40:29):
the risks. You know. It's because for every other artists
to come out, man, I think maybe only twenty five
thirty percent of them actually working.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Paying out contracts are fucking tricky, you get me. I
don't know if anybody really and I don't know, but
like I said, being young and naive and not having
the knowledge of entertainment contracts and points and publishing and
(41:01):
all that type of shit, a lot of us were
naive as far as what the bottom line is gonna be. Shit.
I put out three records in my first career and
I've never seen a royalty check, and a lot of
niggas are in the same situation. You try to make
(41:25):
money off of what they're gonna advance you to make
the record. That's how you try to get some money
in your pocket, and you know what you can make
successfully off of touring because if you have your contracts
set up straight, label ain't getting none of your tour
and shit. So you get the pocket all of that.
(41:47):
But as far as you know, signing your first deal
and thinking you should have put out a record, that
motherfucker ain't even come to tell you, Nigga, you gotta
platinum record, And Nigga, you're sitting up at home going
I got a platinum, but I'm still sitting up at home.
You get me. I'm in the same spot I was
in eight months ago with a platinum record because you realize, Nigga,
(42:10):
theyin't charge you for licking a staff in that motherfucker.
You get me, and you don't really pay attention to that, Like, Okay,
I'm going back and forth to New York and were
doing these contracts and these deals, and Nigga, I'm going
to have lunch here and I'm doing this and that,
and the whole time they going charge back, charge back,
(42:31):
charge back, charge back, so you could have a motherfucking
platinum rentor and still, like Nigga, I didn't see it
dying when that Rason.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Don't see anybody else sit on your uh on your seat,
which is that you know they got the seat that
they show you all the bills that you get the plays.
Did you ever see any other artist shit on your ship? No?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I mean when when I did my first projects, we didn't.
I didn't do guests, appearances and shit. I didn't start
getting people on my records until made me my third
album because a known who probably knew the cost of
(43:16):
shit and knowing that this hand was in the pot,
This hand's in the pot, this hand is in the pot.
By the time the money come to me, I'm really
the nigga who has to go out and pay for
this record to get done right. So by him being
able to control that shit knowing at that time, shit,
(43:40):
a nigga cost you thirty thousand to get on his
gil record and getting me back then it wasn't no
you know, savor for a favor or you know beat
Bakers was like, oh man here, let me man I respect,
let me give you this beat and whatever and blah blah.
Nigga back then it was oh, you want to say,
(44:00):
you want to beat from Dre, you want to beat
from whoever? The producers was at the time, may you
spending anywhere between five and twenty thousand for one single beat?
So when you were controlling that shit, Now I got
ninety thouts. You think I'm finna give up twenty to
(44:23):
pay for a nigga to be old eights w rec man. Please,
we ain't give no guest of benches. And that's why
we I'm gonna control the production. So even if I
did want beats from another motherfucker, it wasn't able to
happen because a nigga knowing the actuality. We ain't got
no million dollar budget. Hell, lor nigga, I got ninety grand,
(44:47):
and fifty percent of that I want to stick in
my pocket. So now I got to figure out a
way to really do this record for about thirty grand.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, you need to get you some money. And that's
what it was cool for you to work in house with.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Your own producer others, right, I mean, but that's why
I was kept in house all the way, you know.
And I just figured by the time I was able
to take over, I might as well keep the shit
in the house.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm not gonna start.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Running to you know, so and so and so and
so and so and so, because now I'm gonna be
in the same position. Nigga, I got motherfucking two hundred
thousand and beats is twenty grand. You're getting to complete
a whole record, is my whole budget. So you have
to you have to start producing for yourself or working
(45:38):
with a team of motherfuckers that you go, I'm setting
this aside for the budget as far as production go,
and this what it is. So that's what you have
to start doing. But knowledge don't come along because when
you're young and naive, man, you just the dream of
just taking yourself out of what you're going through every days,
(46:00):
especially if you're a nigga in the hood, selling dope,
gang banging, or just being a poverty. Motherfucker. I don't
want to take myself out of this. Nigga dangle fifteen
grand in your face. You think you that's gonna change everything.
You're not knowing that ends and out. So it's difficult,
and like you said, everything is like a miarage. It's
(46:22):
not what it seems because niggas will be fronting like nigga,
I got ten million off of this shit and knowing
damn we all know you though, there's no way possible
if you do that, the actual real situations of a
contract and how points work and how them motherfucker's charging
My fucker, I was on the phone for an hour
(46:44):
with your old manager. A thousand dollars everything is charged
back to you.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
You feel me. So it's kind of rough, you know what, though, Man,
I'll tell everybody I've been in some movies and shit. Man,
I like to I think acting shit out of all
this shit, I think angling is probably best ship. Yeah,
acting is probably the best shit they get paid. You know.
I think that's because they got a union and you.
I think I think that needs to be a union
(47:13):
of music, because you still got the same shit that
was going on thirty years ago go on today. Today
it's a little bit better because you got companies like
Empire and.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Shit like that.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, the structure they did, it's a little bit
more artists friendly. You know, they actually given catch their
own labels and shit like that. So I think it's
a little bit better today, man, But it's still a
lot of fuck we going on there.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
It is because motherfucker's still picking choose who they want
to invest in. It's still not a fair playing field
of you know you got a good song. You got
a good song. So same thing we do for you,
you know we do for them, we're gonna do for you.
(47:58):
It doesn't work like that if you got gonna invest
in my project and how my shit's gonna make any
noise like you doing the other motherfucker. You know they
got videos, they got billboards, You're scheduling clubs for them
because you believe in that project. I always feel that
if you don't believe in the shit and you don't
(48:19):
feel you can do what you can do for anybody
else can. A lot of times that's how motherfuckers get
caught up in these deals and then situations turn. The
situations turn real ugly and nasty sometimes in these situations
of label bills and independence, because you want a fair shot,
(48:43):
justlke the you know, the rest of motherfuckers, because you
feel your shit is just as good might be, might
not be. And I guess that's where you gotta roll
the dice. But there's a lot of good shit that's
being overlooked it because people just have their preferences of
what they want to believe in.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Well, I just think, man, and again we go back
for the regular person ship, right, you staying a better
shot man making a bunch of money by finding you
a trade or some shit like that, something that you
want to do. If you say, okay, I want to
fix cars, you can make millions of dollars doing that.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
You feel what I'm saying. I think we look too
much to entertainment and the business man that wears so
many jobs. That's like everybody inspire us to play at
the NBA, NFL be a rapper. There's only so many
spots for that shit. And it's a fresh new croper,
motherfucker's coming every year. Not just them, but the ones
that still think they could play. You might be a
(49:48):
four twenty five year old rookie. You ain't just competing
against the niggas that they traveling next you. You competing against
the dudes that might be in the league three or
four years. You might be going against a cat that
played three or four years. You know what I'm saying,
three four years the league that might have took a
year off or whatever. Because even want to go back
to the greeting, I eat back. You're going to gainst
(50:08):
all that stuff. It's way he'sier man to go get you.
Some regular shit going up. Yeah, it's hard to convince
people of that though, like not seeing nobody shouldn't drink,
but but me, just you know what this is I'm having. Man,
I'm having one of them because you know, I just
have my birthday. It's like, you know, I'm a gym bikes.
Like you think, the older you get, the more you
start thinking different. You feel what I'm saying right, because
(50:30):
I would have done so much shit different if I
was young. Brea again, man, yeah, you you.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
I think once you get to a certain age to
where I don't want to say you're you're you're comfortable
with with shit, but you in a different place and
can understand shit a little bit better, how life going,
and how you really can't focus on shit you can't control.
(51:05):
And I think the older we get, we start realizing
that there's just certain situations that whether good or bad,
it just happens, and you have to be able to
accept what's in your path. I think, you know, we
all get to a point to where we start thinking, man,
(51:29):
if I knew this shit, I wouldn't have done that,
or I wouldn't have done that. But then I look
at those uh, those are the lessons that we have
to learn going through life without the hand being held
or you know, like sometimes I say about with my
(51:51):
son or with anybody. Uh, you know, I'm I'm older
then and been through more experiences. Sometimes I tell motherfuckers
if they're gonna have to learn, you know, for themselves?
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah you do. You know what's funny?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
And I think some situations had to happen for you
to be able to look back on shit and be
able to accept shit today. Because if they didn't happen,
how you know, you would be able to be in
control if that check didn't come, or you couldn't get
(52:29):
this deal to go down. But because you've been through
situations in your life that you had to take that
step and you had to learn them from it is
why you can go through ship today and go yeah
or no, you're getting situations come on, situations come about today.
(52:49):
It's not even the contemplation. It's yeah, I can do
that shit or nah, too bad, man, I can't do
that shit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, pretty much. You know what I just found out.
It's got some information there. He is a hip hop
unity and I guess some sudden deep from public enemy
curtis blowing Doggie Fresh all the ogs. They got a
it's called the Hip Hop Alliance. I guess the Hip
Hop Alliance has already formed a strategic partnership with the
(53:17):
Screen Actors Give American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.
The collaborative difference between the two organizations with focus on
our reaching engagement with from the hip hop and the
R and B community, the affiliation with benefit artists and
being treated fairly informed of contractual obligations. The ignorantble pay
has one of the initiatives between two organizations.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
But have you heard anything about this? I don't think so.
I heard something about something where they was trying to
give you know, dudes who they didn't feel that they
just do or paid their dues. They were given them
money or some shit like that.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
This could be some good stuff, but if you ain't
heard about it, they're not doing a good example of
marking it. And they I'd always well, that's what would
have to happen, if they would probably have to look
up with sag and after him.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, you know, but will they be considered, as you know,
on the same page as Sag and After. As far
as actors and actresses are concerned.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Well, didn that mean you would have to have like oh,
I guess the music. It would be the equivalent like
what union skill is. You know how motherfucker's got a
certain amount that you gotta pay somebody. Maybe they say, okay,
a record deal at minimum has to be as many
points in order for it to be fair. Or they
got to get their masters back if they were cooping
three years or some shit like that five years, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Right, hip hops, like I said, we've been fround to
fall upon for a lot long time. Still, I don't
think we've ever been able to get our just do
and be considered equal as other you know, especially in
(55:02):
certain situations where you know, rap has been put on
the stand. You know, when niggas you know, would try
to cop out and say, oh I shot a motherfucker
because I was listening to Sew and so. But violent
movies never got that rap, you feel me. Or I
(55:25):
was watching motherfucking Good Sellers and nigga, I went and
shot up a bank full of people or some shit
because I saw Goodfellas last night, Or I saw a
terminator and so I just wanted to walk in and
just shoot a bunch of motherfuckers and blame it on terminator.
(55:45):
You me, it's never had that, that's that rap. But
we've always been frowned upon. So maybe because of that
is why we can never be considered equal like you said, yeah,
and it would it would be a good thing. Like
I said, I've always talked about, you know, having hip
(56:07):
hop healthcare and niggas be signed to these labels and
producing all this income. And then you know, uh, why
can't I get on the labels health plan? Why can't
I get on I'm.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Pretty sure that people are marketing and he and Earl
all they got health benefits.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
I mean shit, the niggas in the mail room, the
people answering the phones, the secretaries in the front of
the offices. You know that, the average motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
You said when you were signing Sony, you couldn't negotiate
that in your contract and saying, you know what, I'm
gonna have health benefits, I won't.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
I guess if we would have been smart enough to
consider that, it should have been considered like, as long
as I'm signed here for the length of my contract,
I should have y'all health care you're getting instead of
having to try to break my pockets to pay for
(57:06):
some decent health care, you know, for me or my
my children or whatever. Why not because I'm pretty sure
or I'm whatever. I'm signing a contract, so I should
be considered, you know, under as some kind of employee.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
You would think.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Record company, Yeah, we partners, So then they get on
your good health plan because I don't have one.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, well, I guess they probably record company probably make
money off of deer reference. It makes you realize that
all behind we use a lot of shit.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, well, I don't know if it's just being just
being thick headed as a as a youth, not having
the knowledge to care for self, to feel like, man,
before I go buy alex a weed or motherfucking blicky
(58:01):
or wootie, won't I will get myself some health for
the sure getting me. Won't think about that ship, I don't.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
I guess if that's feeling like because being uneducated about
like I said, uh, being uneducated about your health as
a young man, that was something you didn't think about.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, but let me ask you this. Did your mom
every talk to you about insurance and having health care
and making sure you kept your credit straight and all
that like, be real, because I ain't never had the conversations.
Speaker 3 (58:34):
With my pet no. I mean, and you probably figured
a lot of our elders who came from the struggle,
they wouldn't put in those situations. You're getting me my grandfather,
(58:56):
you know Mississippi and you know peg farm and ship
like that. Ain't telling the motherfucker like you know, you
take care of your taxes and what eve.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Mon fucker survive. So that's what I'm telling you this.
I'm gonna tell you this. I think that, and I
know it's a percentage of black people that do have
their come with these tele SEMs. I know. I for
sure talk to my kids about keeping their credit good.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I mean, but you're actually you got educated today. That's
what mean. I can tell my son today, like we
have talks and I'd be like, you know, you got
to watch your spending and you don't want to do this,
and your credit is important and you don't want to
go out and do that and do that and then
you know if you got a phone bill or you
(59:46):
gotta this, or you that you know, pay your ship
on time.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Fiscally responsible motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
You know, because you you want that. That's my thing.
You want to save your and that, and that's just my,
uh my thought of it. You want to save a
motherfucker from going through a lot of shit that you
went through because it was fucked up shit. And I
(01:00:15):
know that as a as a parent, I don't want
a motherfucker to have to go through that shit. That
was some fuck up shit I went.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Man, our kids shouldn't go through miss off left and
hard that we've been through exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So, not that they shouldn't learn and they shouldn't you know,
be able to get off situations on their own. But
I'm the type of motherfucker if I can prevent you
from you know, if I can prevent you from going
through this, this and this, because at your age, I
(01:00:53):
went through that, and if I could avoided that shit,
if somebody would have educated me to all nigga when
you're nineteen you don't want to do that, or you
don't want to do that, or if I just had
a motherfucker that I didn't have that because I was
in a situation where it was moms just trying to
(01:01:15):
get you know, maintain your family when your parents separate.
It's like so while moms was trying to support and
stable the household. It left us to the vices. There
was nobody else to go. Hey, y'all, y'all don't do that. No,
(01:01:36):
we was left to our own vices. And it wasn't
like my sister was like, come on, come on, we
gonna be My sister was like, nigga clean, this is
the hood.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
You know what. I'm sorry us to see, ma'am with
our listeners. Man, what percentage of whose parents talking about
having their credit right? Because all that shit is important?
Shit man, I mean it is because, like you said,
your credit, getting health insurance and making sure if you
all want to insurance.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Because at some point you want your kid to succeed
and if you can succeed over me, I would be
very great. So that is that is the model. I
just you know, I just wish for, you know, all
the young homies to really try to craft themselves into
(01:02:25):
being artists. You're getting me, let's make some music and
let's you know, we had shootouts and we had niggas
died from the hoods and all that type of ship,
but we dealt with situations. We dealt with those situations differently.
You're getting me, this is something for us to try
(01:02:48):
to enjoy uh as as as black people. You know,
we came up with this hip hop ship. A lot
of motherfuckers were trying to move into our territory and
our neighborhood and basically get us out, so to speak.
We got a lot of outsiders who come into the
(01:03:08):
game and try to make themselves efficient. But we have
to learn that this is our music and we don't
want to keep jeopardizing it. You get me. We don't
want to go back to them days where motherfuckers is
scared of our ship. You're getting me. And if all
our music is I'm gonna go kill Tony next week
(01:03:32):
or you give me life, how is that? How is
that entertainment for?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
And then it leads our youth for stray because now
music is gonna be turned into really just just beefing music,
you get me, or or or affiliation music, like all
songs are gonna turn into We're gonna kill y'all next
(01:03:59):
week and then okay, so now we're gonna kill Tony.
And then we killed Tony with the a K and
Johnny shot Y and he got out and ran up
on the nigga and then we Shoty two times, and
you know it's weird, like there'll be some bullshit. If
if y'all want to if if you want to, uh
(01:04:19):
tell on yourselves or talk about you know whatever, there's
other ways. You know, just just go bang, Just go
just go bang leading music alone and just bang.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, they show and ship man, y'all leave us coming
and rate we out here Jim Well. That concludes another
episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to
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