Snoop Accused AGAIN! Kokane Says "He Stole Daz's Royalties...AND MINE

West Coast hip-hop icon Kokane joins Norman Steele for a powerful, no-holding-back conversation about the realbusiness behind the music. In this explosive interview, Kokane opens up about his long career, his role in shaping the G-Funk era, and the royalty controversies that have followed some of the biggest names in rap.

For the first time on record, Kokane discusses the financial disputes that impacted both him and Daz Dillinger, and why he believes Snoop benefitted from royalties that were never meant to land in his pocket. This episode dives deep into the realities of publishing, paperwork, loyalty, and the hidden politics of West Coast rap’s golden age.

Whether you’re a fan of G-Funk, a student of hip-hop culture, or someone who wants to understand how artists lose millions through bad deals, this interview offers rare insight from one of the genre’s most influential voices.

Listen for:

Insider stories from the Death Row era

How royalty splits and publishing really work

Kokane’s firsthand account of disputed payments

The business decisions that shaped West Coast history

Lessons every independent artist needs to hear

A raw, honest, history-making episode.

In the 2nd half we also tap in with homie Cam Capone from Cam Capone TV where he says fame is better than money!!! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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on here live with one of the legends, my homeboy,

(00:38):
Cocaine Jerry Long, the legend. What's happening with you? Man?
Oh man? You got it?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
What's up Big Steal?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh Man, I'm just chilling, dog. I know you broadcasting
from my overseas right now where you at right about now.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm in Mainhem, Germany.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Live from overseas in Germany. Man. I had to hitch
fluff man because lately, you know, the Internet don't been
on fire. Man, you know, the world on fire right
about now? Man, with all this stuff about actuations about
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Man, yeah, I mean you know it's a Frenchy situations.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know, I kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Understand my dad's frustration, but his uh, his argument, you know,
it's a tricky business man. Put it like that, and
I tend to stay out the way of a lot
of things, just certain things. You know, if people ask
you those questions, I meant, I'm a truth seeker, So

(01:38):
I'm into telling the truth, you.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
And I think Dads you know, has some validity to
what he's talking about, because it's like, I'm gonna be
brutally honest man, like you know, I don't like to
let the cat out the bag or damn show, ain't vandwagon.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm a legend.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I've been in the game a long time before any
of these artists have done what they've done, you know
what I'm saying. So I can only really talk about
my participation in certain things. And then when I think about,
you know, what Dad's is saying and what he's talking about,

(02:21):
you know, sometimes you got to vote for the underdog,
which he really ain't an underdog. I think he's done
some incredible things in this game. He's definitely a pillar
of the West Coast doing that stuff. And I can
kind of equally yoke relate to that because I'm telling
you certain thing as far as that concern, you know,

(02:41):
I don't say much, but I don't know what a
royalty looks like at dog house. I've never got paid
for royal teams I've ever done doing records for that
particular individual. So I kind of like, you know, play
the Devil's advocate and and I really understand what Dad's

(03:02):
is talking about because it's like being you know, he'd
done all that stuff in two parkins. He deserves to
get credit. And it's sad that us, as a coach
of the millenated people, do not know how to give
credit when credit is due. And at the same time,
you know what I'm saying, it's it's some of these

(03:24):
people have worse than our slave masters, you feel me
back in the days, and that's not cool because people
put on the perception and this could be anybody as
far as that concern, but the truth will always remain
the truth. And at the same time I'm saying I
didn't get paid my royalties and different things, I also

(03:45):
understand what God designed is even though I never got
paid one royalty, you know, for all the records and
songs I've done, I think I'm about the outside of
the doghouse outside of the the camp from back in
the nineties. Snoop and I have done the most songs
with each other. But I don't know what a royalty

(04:07):
looks like. But at the same time, I'm letting everybody
know I've been in royalty. See, you can take thing
loyalties and shoving up your ass if that's how you
get down. You know what I'm saying. So enough of
the gool crap. No man runs this planet. If God
is with you, who can stand against you? I Do's

(04:28):
not matter. This is not about me bashing one individual
and bandwagon. It's just simply expressing myself and telling the
whole world. Man, I playing the devil's advocate. I relate
to the underdog, which really ain't an underdog is dass dilaty.
He's doing his thing, And as far as I'm concerned,

(04:50):
you know, I took a step back because I don't
really know what's really going on. I haven't followed followed
mister Calvin Protis for the last two year years. You
know what I'm saying. Discontinue to disassociated myself with that
whole environment and that whole energy, and it does me
good man, you see, I'm over here in Germany and

(05:12):
we on some multi motime, million dollar missions right now.
You know what I'm saying, because I had to just
get away from the fact that I got ripped off,
you know what I'm saying, and just get it out
of my conscious You know what I mean? And Tom,
I did that. Lord always answers your prayers. You know,

(05:32):
no one man shut the lights on and offering this business.
And if you hearing me talk, hey man, he's the
one and brother because you cast the first stone without
seeing It's like you tell you talk a good game,
but then you turn around and if this is true,

(05:53):
I can only speak about truth from me. But if
this is true with Dash, you turn around and shit
on your own peoples. I don't care how big you
get in this game. You treat people the way you
want to be treated. And it's accountability for everything that
you do. Because if jo't think karma's gonna hit you, you're
a fool. That's narcissistic, you understand. And it's like the

(06:15):
last time I stopped going over there, it's like they
did the weed we are wall thing we all we
got and it was so cold, bro, because it was
cold because I was over there doing something. I'm like,
thinking things is cold, and I was over there did

(06:36):
something with Goldie. But then when I went into the
main room, bro, do you know what they had the
nerve to do? I think it was half bed or him.
They played the Easy Evening this song and thought I
was just gonna sit up there and listen to that

(06:56):
like from this in my homeboy, and everybody's laughing at
head like man, and I'm looking around the road now,
I'm like, you know what, let me get up out
of here. So that was the last time. That was
the last straw I discontinue myself. You know well from
following him, I don't have to follow you. You don't
shut the lights on and off of Lee. You know

(07:17):
what I'm saying. I got all my bread back, And
like I said, i've been royalties. You can take them
royalties that you took, you know what I'm saying, or
that your peoples took, and you can live it, live
with it. My thing is I'm handling my business a
little bit different the way other people would handle them stuff.
But being the devil, playing the Devil's advocate, I ain't

(07:40):
mad at Dad's at all now me and corrupt. We're
still cold. We're doing a lot of stuff. I just
did some stuff, but it's important for people to know
in this game. You know, you got to be very
careful about the smiling face. My father Jerry Long, did
a song years ago for The Undisputed Truth, and the

(08:01):
song was called smiling Faces. You'd be surprised who smiling
in your face? You know what I'm saying and talking
crap behind your back and do not mean you know good.
When I started off with these guys, you know what
I'm saying, doing the the dog house situation, it was
cool because you know where the g funk comes from.

(08:23):
The auditioned in front of Above the Law and cocaine
as far as I was there, So it's like, it's
not about assassinating this character or anything, but you can't
assassinate my character and other people that work hard where
they work continue. You want to turn around and say
I'm gonna mess you up in your business. I'm gonna
mess you up in this Who does that?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's a double So.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I just want to clarify. You don't have to have
sixty three records together, right, We.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Got a lot, probably a lot more than that.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
We got a punch of records, bro, and you've never
seen the You've never seen the royalty.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
From that, I've never seen one royalty. Now, people is like, well,
why you don't handle them in court and different things.
What makes you think I ain't. I'm just being cool
mm hmm, and not one royalty. So in terms of
what dance and saying, you know what I'm saying, because

(09:24):
I'm a legend, soho, I can't bandwag nothing. I kind
of like relate to him to what he's saying. It's
just unfortunate that family members have to air they dirty
laundry on the internet. I don't care if I have
a problem with my family and this and that. That's

(09:45):
one thing that I don't agree with is airing your
laundry out. But at the same time, this is this
is the the error of telling the truth. This is
also the era of people snitching in line. This is
also the era of people, you know, using God for

(10:07):
their own purpose, you know what I'm saying. This is
also the era of people seem like they you know, gentlemen,
bank students and doing what they're doing, but then turn
around and do some satanic stuff. This shit is real, man.
So I lived my life faund with my head up
knowing that I've been one of the most selfless artists

(10:29):
in the game with over four thousand, five hundred features,
you know what I'm saying, it might be more than that.
And to be able to come out of here and
have artists tried eight hours from Berlin and this and
that and say no, we love you, we love you,
cocaine and actually you know the story all right, everything,

(10:50):
Because fans are not stupid. If you play the fancy
you think they're stupid, they're.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You a fool.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
They can see what's going on. They can see the history.
They can see a person just saying that, and it's like,
you know what, if by some odd strange reason Snoop
was to hop up and humblest say and make everything right,
like he's saying, on your drink champs, on your diss champs.

(11:19):
You know what I'm saying, he would be the most
celebrating person in the world. Because it's about shames. It's
about you know what I'm saying, getting out of that
zone of like you owe me something and I'm the
king of this and this. You ain't the king to me,
and I'm sure Dad, you ain't the king of him.
We're all king. But it is more easier for camel

(11:46):
to go through an eye of a needle than a
man that is stuck in his narcissistic flames. And I'm
not gonna hold my breath. I'm not anti snoop Dog.
I'm just telling you know to the interviewer, which my
homeboy is that dog, if you're hearing this message, you

(12:07):
could have made it right years ago, and you can
still make it right right now. But guess what you
tell me somewhere sitting back laughing, and probably, hey, don't
mess with him. If you do, I ain't messing with you.
That shit is over with fans. You're not God, bro.
The only thing I would noth for you to do,

(12:28):
and wors that you would do is make it right
with everybody. Make it right with everybody, bro, So you
will have listen, dog, know what's happening. When I'm telling
you this, that's when he's telling you. And that's the
different things to y'all cousins. So I ain't gonna really

(12:50):
get too much. But Dog, if you would have made
it right, brother, and gave people the stuff and did
exactly what she said. I'm getting all my homies purplishing
back and do this dog, you'd be the most celebrated
person ever. But because you're so stuck in your ways,

(13:12):
you're looking that chancel on your SnO liping. I mean
you you can choke because I don't care about your money.
Nobody cares about your money except for the people that
hang around you and an opportunistic way to get some.
Rather humble yourself, man, you ain't too big to be corrected.

(13:34):
But at the same time, if you don't, you still motivate.
You's still motivation, you know, because by design, diamonds are
made by pressure. So thanks, thank you for shelling out
the pressure. But brother, this ain't about bashing you. It's
about real nigga j rank hum. But if you don't.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So, there is a chance to choke on riconcile. The
can't be some form of recci.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Case always be a former reconcile. But like I said,
what is a man in proper with the world and
loose very so for it's easy to do for cattle
to go through. I am the needles. Nobody needle than
a man that is stuffed in his ways. So if
I'm telling you something, and you and your feelings that
means you're insecure. You perpetuate the inferiority complex and you

(14:25):
do not know how to keep it real and stop
it on the ground.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You gotta.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You think you can use your notoriety and fame to
get everybody because you think everybody revolved around you, and
they don't. Your kid, I'm a kid, they's still a cat.
DA's a kid. Make it right, dog, that's all you
gotta do it. I ain't hold him up r I'm
over here in Germany. Then I'm over here on the

(14:53):
Tokain International Tour though, and all the temps to anybody
being backfiring him things. I don't care about the fake
ass music industry. I've never been to part them. Parties
are Hollywood, and I ain't judging you or anything, but dog,
just the magic looks if news to make it like,

(15:14):
what position would think you been there? Since you have
a leave though? What position you than if you're being
but going down this road, you're only making one on
yourself and you want this you are brough so it
could be reconciled. I ain't holding my brother, bro, who

(15:35):
want to see the world and get to these fans,
the same fans that we share, the same fans that
when you're auditioned in front of Above the Law years ago,
it's the same fans I'm going to. You know what
I'm saying, bless out here, and you gotta remember, take
me off all those records.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Dog what you got, bro, Let's talk about this cocer
real quick. You just said something. You guys have an
immense history. Man like a strong legacy. Man. Shout out
at the hummy Hucks man. You know from above the
Law the rig de funk sound. You know, I know

(16:15):
you'all originated G funk. You said, lord y'all first right, what.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
The auditioned it from the cool one eighty seven Above
the Law lost and against Centinella. Ironically, the same studio
he has in his compound. Or when you walk in
there and say home a G funk, we say home
much enough. We created So he auditioned on losing Inland
and Centinella in nineteen nineties because Warren g used to
stay with him. Think us the Warren g Ben going

(16:42):
out there, keep it at one hundred. That's a man.
Because he stayed with us in nineteen eighty nine, I
stayed with with us and me and Warren stayed with
him an apartment apartment one eighty sevens at the Cottonwood
Ranch and company. You tell me and he always you say, man,
I got this dude named Sloop rock Sky and they

(17:02):
tell you about to come out and do their thing.
So when the audition, I always always thought dog was
a cold freestyle and he was smooth, charismatic, you know,
he had a flow. Nate Dog was like the silky
souled or like Steve Arrington of the game. And they
had their ship. So originally, originally Snoop and Nate Dogg

(17:25):
was going to be ruthless artists because Hutch was going
to do a demo taking them under the wing. Because
Warren g before he brought it to Jake, he brought
it to Above the Loss, he brought it to brought
it to Hutch. And I remember, like you said, Saint
being right there, bro, like wow, And how you say
to us, man, Snoopy is cold, Snoop is card He

(17:45):
don't freestyle. So that's how I yeah, So that's how
I knew his whole get down. He used to call
my Miles and Rancho Cucamonga we developed a friendship over
the years. But you know, after the end of Your Way,
they ain't broken part and Drake broken park. You know
that's when Snoop got took him over there by Warren G.

(18:09):
Because Warren G he's the man bond.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Snoop, let me do this real quick, Coco, big orange G. Man.
That man don't get the credit nowhere here he deserves.
Man Warren is like man. Warren is like the glue
kind of the man, the whole the whole West Coast down.
Man Warren is Warren do man. People need to give
him as props.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
They don't get to shine. But see he's so cool.
I'll learned from r G how to just keep it cooling.
But then it comes to the point to where you
have to defee your honor, your family honor. And there's
things that are not cooler. You know, there's things that
people live on the whole podcast where they got to

(18:52):
turn around and get checked. It's like, come on, bro.
But to be able to see war G not to
go off here and there and do his thing and
buy teams and different other queens. I mean, I really
got love.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
For Warren Griffet.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
This is Jerry long speaking, a no Ning said, Saydy
nine a not Ning, since we all used to go
to Audio Achievements, him and Jewel and all them would
be bagging and you know what I'm saying at Audio Achievements,
and it was a family environment. And going back to
the breakup of NWA and all that stuff, of course

(19:31):
we were kindling our business relationship with Easy Eve because
he was gonna leave with Shure because the paperwork correct.
But we were so dedicated to easy And then at
the same time Doctor Drake actually knew Hutch was working
with a Snoop dog and those two were conversing and
Doctor Drake was on the phone with Real with Cole

(19:54):
one Ning said and saying that now I know you
got their kid over here, but a hundred stuff, I'm
gonna put something on it. So as far as the
puzzle piece is concerned, code one of the seventh bout
for Snoop Rock ski Ak, it's as well as you
know Warren g coming in there and doing this thing,
you know what I mean. But Hunt really vouched in

(20:15):
that whole cup. Beat it bigger, you know, yeah, big
up to us. So in terms of years later, you know,
I was able to link backing in with Dog in
nineteen ninety nine, link back in with Doctor Dray and
get on Chronic two thousand and one. And I didn't

(20:35):
think Snoop was gonna use me on so many songs
because its sound was altered coming from No Limit.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
I like those records over there. It was a good
South record, you know what I mean, But it wasn't
his genuine format where he got it from which his
dollar core and thanks to Funk, so he used to me.
He used me. Oh no, gang of stuff, and it
really helped you as a cornerstone piece. I know you'd

(21:04):
like to thank himself, but no, man, you need to
take a lot of people that helped you out, producers,
the writers. So therefore, when you got last Meal, going
double clime and pay the cost to be the boss
you got, you got up the other songs that I commute,
it's like, do fail business with pupid people that helped

(21:25):
you and I there ain't nothing wrong with being on
there and receiving your story talking about I like to
thank Mike, should I kidding? But then don't let that
go to the head and disregard the people that helped
you become great. Because the meaning of greatness is not
one that could be great by themselves. It's the ability

(21:48):
to make others great, which made you great? Who haven't
made it great?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Dog made?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Let me ask you this coch hutsh is another legendary dude.
Man that don't get nowhere near the credit. Man, the architect.
You know what I'm saying. Architect, y'all all come from
a very musical lineags man. You know that's Willie Hutch's
you know, Willy huts Man, your father, man, Jerry long Sing.

(22:21):
With all that being said, Man, it's a lot of
legendary materialists been made in the coast. Man, And I,
for one, as a fan man, would love to see
everybody kind of have a meeting of the minds man
that put all this stuff behind the man and get
it right, because only the fans lose out right, you know,
the fans move some great music. And this is just

(22:42):
me playing Devil's advocate, right, you know, maintain my journalistic integrity.
Do you think it could be a situation, man, to
where the wires got crossed somewhere on the business, because
I know Stuke got a big team of people behind them.
Do you think somewhere behind the scenes, maybe you drop
the ball.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I mean, he has a lot of support. Don't get
it twisted. Love is a two way street. He invited
me on those projects. I helped him out, he helped
me out. It wasn't just like, hey man, I came
over there and get all this unique thing. No, we
helped each other out. At one point in time. The

(23:23):
love was real, genuine. It was about working hard. It
was about getting in there and putting paint where it
ain't and everything, and it was beautiful. But I think
after that MCA deal which they filed chapter eleven, we
was going to do the Doggy All Stars, things started changing.

(23:45):
That's when I had to wait. You know, he was
telling everybody I was underlive, but that's my sources.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Allegedly he might have said anymore that, but I don't
go on gossip. So I had to wait a year
to give him an Ducela letter because he was supposed
to give me a substantial amount of money at that time.
He only gave me eighty bags. So it was like
I had to wait a whole year to really get
out that situation. And when I did, it was good

(24:12):
for me. I hit rock rilin I had to clean
myself up. Just being honest, bro, you know what I'm saying.
And I moved out of California because not just him,
you know what I'm saying, but just my environment in general.
I had to give my family a pot of there
you feel me? But being that doghouse and different other things.

(24:35):
It was incredible. It really was incredible. He had chemistry,
the clost chemistry in the world. He was calling hisself
Lucy Sizzle and I was calling myself George Sissmy, and
it's like the sizzle was the muscle.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Again?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Things happened and I think I think he went in
a different direction. I don't even knock.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Him for that.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
But the only thing that I'm saying is us as
black people in a black culture just melanating people. We
got to get to the point to where we can
see the best in people, not just the worst in people.
So even though I had my worst things and Sloop
had his worst things, there's always rooting for improvement, but

(25:29):
it has to be willingly on both sides. If one
is willing to say I'm willing to come to the
round table and do this, but they met with resistance,
that's not gonna work, because that's what don't make sense.
It's like driving to his wife. Who the fuck drive
or white Kip gotta make sense. It can't be based
upon lip service. Boot boot boom. I thought it was

(25:53):
gonna be the way it was supposed to be. That's
why I went over there and went to the video.
He didn't know I was coming. We went to the video.
We all we got and he said, man, Couca, we
need you Boom. You hear no thing. Hey, you know
you the sprinkle the boot. But then now you lean
me to believe that's all Cat. That's cap. I don't

(26:15):
know if it's cap, but you even need disregard to royalties.
I don't know if it's cat in general. But a
person that you can tell who they are by the
character and their actions and shit. And I'm telling you
dog is capable of being at him and a boot
quite a bup. This this person that gives a funk

(26:37):
about people, who helps you. But so along the way
the ship went to his head, I think. And you
can't let anything get into your head. And this is
my opinion, and the whole food when he see he's
talking on terms and night way dance and mainly talking
on and my shit. You know what I'm saying, this

(26:59):
is something well for you, Doug, get your shit together, bro.
It ain't about your money.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Hey, you tell people don't mess with this person because
I don't want to mess with you. That's a sucking shit.
Man's many times I wonder why I couldn't do things
in my own section and different other things, and I'm
not seeing who it is. But it's ironic that, hey,
you don't see Coco on certain events or well I'm
event and I got to narrow it down. You never

(27:28):
know who's hating on the next person just because they
threaten him not to mess with him. That's what I
get out of when they say, I don't want to
beat you up physically. If I'm to mess you up
in the business, Oh okay, you willing. It's all somebody
who actually did the work just so you can feel

(27:49):
like I'm power. I'm like, hey, that shit, mom, nobody
falling for that.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Snoop is a big entity, right. Do you really think
that he takes the monks himself to go out and
try to impede people's progress.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
It wouldn't surprise me if you do it wasn't surprised.
All the people that work for him. I try to
get it them and they don't even return my call.
But I'm over there in Germany being celebrated like Elvis Bro.
So I stop even not the streets. I stop even
trying to entertain why they don't have cocaine on this

(28:32):
show with the dolls cut ups me come on a
lot of people. And I'm not just saying dogs a
lot of people. Man, They figure they don't want you
to be ancient in them. So they had it so
crazy ass way of thinking, not knowing your greatness. If
you make other people great, you sure now being longful.

(28:56):
Everybody got their vices. Everybody goes in standing, but no
one can judge nobody in that context, especially when you
don't put the work in begin what you had to do,
and you should reap the fruits from your labor. But
it's not all like that in this business.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Hemen, Well, the one thing is cocoa. Man. I say
this man, you a legend, bro. You know you're doing
big things, man, and I appreciate you man, taking the
time up to your schedule man, just to sit down
with me.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
That man, we gotta raise our voice. You know what
I'm saying. If you know, and this is not talking
about one person, if you know somebody's not holding theyselfs accountable,
you know what I'm saying, and doing certain things. Why
be opportunistic and just accept anything. There's things that I

(29:55):
just don't accept. You know nowadays I don't accept almost
sexuality and cartoons.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I don't accept certain other things that other people might
conform to because they got handlers. I don't have no handlers.
I didn't go to them as special rooms.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
They didn't have to.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And it's not just somebody that went to those special lands.
But it's for those to have accountability and say, okay,
I gotta make this thing right when people maybe I've
been wrong. But if you're too high mighty up in
the cloud, you never see the wrong shit you did
on the ground.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Duo, Do.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
You just gonna continue down the path, follow on the
same tatter, perpetuate negativity and you think to God and
you think you're right. No, dog, Maybe if you sit,
maybe if you wake up one day and listen, this
might save your life. I mean, and I'm not wishing
anything on you. You understand, I'm not wishing any things,

(31:00):
of course.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Not not even on my own.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Ain't worse enemy, but dog, you gotta make it right, brother,
And if you don't watch what God do to the
people that you're shitted of.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
M M.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Man. I appreciate you, brother, Yes.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Sir, it's time to get the realized sub somep hide
behind the corner. I don't want that shame. After Hey,
I ain't your obu my mouth and I ain't no
bit mouth. I don't gossip. But when God wants me
to say something that at a time, I owe that
all all the God the truth will set you free. Man.

(31:41):
But it's time for us to start, you know, stop
selling dreams and tell the truth, because it's not like
I said, it's not up man. I just wish dog
and get his thing and be like, look, maybe I
was long be no dog man. You would be in
a better position. You would be in a better position

(32:05):
more than your electic gold medals. And you should never
apologize for being successful. But at the same time, you
need to have accountability for the people that help you
be successful.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's deep. That's real deep man, that's deep, my brother.
I know you out there. What time is it now
in Germany.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's about ten eleven. I done have some of this
good German beer. You see the glow on my face.
You know what I mean? At my age, ain't all
like no the table started. I'm feeling good like I
should knock on wold hell.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Out, feeling good, looking, good, nice and healthy. Man. I
appreciate you coming on man, digital soapbox. Man, clear the air, brother,
and you heard them man, all the takers that sit down. Man.
Hopefully y'all brothers can.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Make sit down. Brother, sit down and get it right.
And if you don't, brother, at least I spoke my mind.
And whether you sit down with me or sit down
with any situation or not, I want you to know
you have been extremely a blessing to me. Sometimes pressure
makes not sometimes pressure make a diamond. So whatever pressure

(33:22):
you gain, whatever you call them, leads, y'all don't get
a twist that we can sit down or we don't
have to sit down, you have been a true blessing
to me. So in regards to that man, dads, I
hope you continue to get what you get and dog,
I hope you continue to prosper yourself. But most importantly, brother,

(33:46):
let's make it right.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Y'all heard that we got of here. Make sure you're
like share subscribe. We gon't.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
But I mean, fuck it, I don't mind talking about
I mean, who want to talk about some checks at school?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I don't care. I think I'm sitting the record. I'm
probably only the am I the first person to ever
interview you.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Nah. Nah, Orlando Brown got me to do an interview
and uh and some other like like just random radio
guy that was doing like it was it was like
audio got me to do one.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, Orlando Brown?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Is that the Is that the one guy you'd be
having you be interviewing all the time.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I used to interview him a lot. Yeah he does
you know he yeah? I mean you know he does
some good numbs. Yeah, he does some good numbers. Man.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, is that dude? Does he really? Does he have
a mental issue? Man?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think he just goes crazy. Yeah. I don't think
he got a mental issue? Man, I mean you know yeah,
I mean, you know he does his thing?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Or is that all act? Sometimes sometimes I think these
dudes just be capping.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Shit. Man. You gotta ask him man or.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Twenty four seven? I don't know what ain't you all boy?
You had him on your platform fight like fifteen times.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Right, he knows how to turn it on and off
for sure, you know how.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I don't think that dude is dumb. I'm gonna
tell you who's actually really intelligent, man, Krip Mac is
actually a very intelligent dude.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, Man, Krip MacMan be killing him, man. You know
he's coming home soon. This a couple of months to
be back out, man, is.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That right, man? And he's probably gonna be even more
popular than ever.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, man, I'm rooting for him.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
You know I've been I've been messing with krypt Max
since the beginning. Man. You know, he's always been good.
We've done a lot, man, We have some really dope
interviews and everything. It's been dope working with him.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
You know what, man, A lot of people actually really
mess with Krip Mac. You know, I was talking to
Mac Tin one day and he was asking me about
k Mac. He was like, Steal, that dude is really funny,
you know, I said, Yeah, Krypt Mac man is Krip
Mac is definitely a character. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, krip Mak's funny, man. You know, he he came
into the game, you know, doing you know, funny stuff. Man.
He had you know, he had this cat, you know,
this big old, tough looking guy with his cat and everything.
Man with the wild I mean, you know, the tattoo
was the thing to really set it off for him
for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, krypt Mac about to fall into some money when
he get on, hopefully so on the money. Me and
you was having a conversation earlier, bro, and you was
telling me that you think fame women are enamored worn
with fame than they are with money. You care to

(36:47):
leap breaking on that?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've always had money, not like
I do now, but I ain't never been broke, you know,
Like I mean, you know, you know, I asked some
health issues when I got older in life, so I
kind of went broke them. But you know, uh, every since,
you know, probably like later later high school years, like
I always hustled whatever, had a job, sold drugs, robbed.

(37:14):
I always had money. I always had a decent car.
So man, then let me tell you, man, it ain't
no woman ever got like excited like oh my god,
like because I had a nice car. It just never happened,
you know. But if I meet so you know, if
I meet a chick and I tell her who I

(37:34):
am because they don't know me by my face, but
I tell them who I am. I mean, if they
know who I am and they've seen my channel, it's
kind of crazy the amount of excitement they get. And
I ain't never had no chick get that excited because
of my car or because of some money. Maybe I
didn't have enough. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, I'm gonna tell you like this, bruh. You let
a chick rock with a dude that's famous, don't got
no paper, and see how long that lasts. Say that
relationship last. I'm gonna tell you, man, money is king,
cash is king.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I mean, you point the money. The money keeps them around.
Maybe if you know you want that type of chick.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
You know, but that's not all women. Now, I'm gonna
tell you this. All women ain't like that.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
You got some women that don't care about money or
a fame. Usually a woman that don't care about money,
they're not tripping off a fame either. You feel what
I'm saying. You got some women that's just gonna be
with you for you and who you are. If they
don't mess with you, they don't mess with you. But
you do have a lot of women. Man, it's all
about that fetti, It's all about the paper man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, there is a small percentage of women who definitely
just go for the money man.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know what, man, And I think it's more. I
can't say everybody, man. I can't sit up here and
say that every chick out there man is just with
somebody for the paper man. But I would say this
in the day and age. You definitely in the day man,
I would probably say about sixty to seventy percent of
the women out there, man, stay out there for what
they can get.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They definitely want some security in their life. And I
think that's all women. I think all women want security invariably.
I don't think don't know. I don't think nobody want
a broke person. Ultimately, I don't even think a man
want to be with a broke person, a broke woman.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I mean, especially a chick. Yeah, man, I mean I
mean for a check. I mean money is important because
you got to provide for your family as a man,
so it's even way more important for a woman.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Oh yeah, you definitely got to have paper. But I'm
just saying if you're a man of means, and I
wouldn't say for a man, it's probably not the money portion.
I would think that you just don't want a woman
who's just not about her business. You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Man, I'll be honest with you, bro, I don't really
care how much money she got. Bro.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh no, it ain't a money thing. Man. But you
don't want no rock either. You don't want no woman
that's just good for nothing, right. She got to bring
something to the table. She got everybody something to the table. Bruh.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You know, yeah, she had for show, got it. She
got to pull her weight one way or the other.
But yeah, money I don't I don't know. I mean
for a chick, I don't really care how much. It's
all she got something going on. Like you said, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I tell you, well, I'm glad I'm married and don't
have to be involved in this thing they call dating.
In twenty twenty five, almost twenty twenty six, this year
is almost up. So for those that don't know, I'm
gonna hear cam Capon. Cam Kapon keeps it anonymous. He
never shows his face. You ain't never did an interview
where you showed yourself, huh?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I did, man, the interview I did with Orlando Brown,
I showed my face. It's a podcast style interview.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, that's dope, man. You actually had the mirror of
the studio wiction.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, well we went to it. We went to a studio.
He had the studio. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, I'm had to get in. I'm had to interest
you in one day interested character. So let me ask
you this. You've been doing this for a while now,
how long you had your channel now?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I mean that's kind of a difficult question because I
really started back in twenty ten, and around twenty twelve,
I had to take a break. I had some personal
issues going and and so I came back at like
the very end of twenty eighteen. So yeah, from then on,

(41:42):
I've been going hard.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, even if you say from twenty eighteen and no,
that's that's a long time man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, where we had two thousand and five, so I
mean we were looking at about six years.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, with twenty twenty five, almost twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, it was around this time of the year when
I came back the end of twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Now, I did to pop off automatically, man, it really did.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You know, Spider Logan was like the first person I
interviewed and that the ship did numbers.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Spiders look actually does very well. You know, I had
Spider Local in the Gangster Chronicles initially.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Okay, I remember hearing something about that.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Do you know what. Nothing happened, man, he was just
kind of on there, like kind of just as a
guest host. He was on that. I really liked him
on the show. He was He was actually real dope
on the show. I think I already he it is.
I think I think one of the guys on the show,
Alex actually had a problem with him being on there whatever,
And now he on Alex's channel, So that's kind of funny,

(42:51):
you know, to me.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
But I don't think Alex channel anymore. I ain't seen
him and Alex is channing him in. I think that
had a falling out or something. Man, Oh is that right?
I think so, But I ain't seen him on there
in a minute. I seen Alex just doing Munchie Bee.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Okay, Okay, shout out to Spider Lowe, Shout out to
Alex Alonso.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Shout out to all of them. Munchie Alex.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Oh, that's the thing, man, you got the best hand
doing stuff solo is the best thing in the world.
Makes Whenever you get a group of people, they always
fall out.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Everybody's got their different agendas and everything.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Have you noticed that, man, that it's hard for people
to do like these podcasts, man, with more than two people,
with more than actually one person. I think it's cool
with two people, but I think once you get more
than two people, I think it kind of falls off
a little bit because, like you said, everybody kind of
got their own agendas.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's just difficult, man, I mean especially,
I mean look at it. Look at Damn there almost
every hip hop group, every one is there almost. I
mean I think Locks might be the only hip hop
group that hasn't broken up. Yeah, that's real, Like everybody
else at some point, you know, from nw Ate the

(44:11):
Bone to Wou Tang Clan, like everybody's dog found they
split up for a while. They weren't really fucking with
each other for a while.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I remember, I remember when Dave was a corrupt that
beef that was like that was kind of crazy, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, Yeah, that was I remember, Dad. I remember I
had the DVD and Dance took the video camera at
the Crub's house and he was like, you signed with
Shug Night. Crub was like, he ate me a million dollars.
That was like a million dollars, ain't ship? Yeah, I
remember I had the DVD.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, Dads was hurt. You could tell Dads was real hurt.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, there was there. Yeah, because they was mad as
sugar at the time, for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I remember that. I remember Corrupt was going back
and forth with Snooping them. He told Corrupt said something
in this song that Snoop had the heart of a
parrot and the balls of a snail. Damn Corrupt pass
You know, Corrupt has always been an I real illo lyricist.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
That was a that was a bar for real. He
said he had the heart of a parrot and the
balls of a snail. That was on one of the
free style house Man. That's crazy, I said, Man, he
had the balls of a snail. Can you imagine? That
was just real? Ill you turn to now you tend
to cover a lot of beef on your channel, man,

(45:32):
and that's what of course, that's what get the juices
flowing masks. We'll get the ratings going. Have you ever
found yourself caught up in in something because of something
you had on your channel.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Let me see, man, wag got band to me one
time somebody called him a snitch on my channel. I
think it was six or seven UNCS six.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Or seven Uncle, what a way to do?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
He called you? Called me, called me mad? Yeah? Why
I called me mad about that? Yeah? Because I think
it was six or seven UK called him a snitch.
But six and seven Uncle was just repeating what brick
Baby was saying. So I mean that what happened? Man,
I got into another guy. I don't want to say who,

(46:22):
but uh, yeah, he called he called me kind of
came on me sideways. I lost my temper and then
like twenty minutes later we got on the phone and
you know what I'm saying, the squashed it. It was
no big deal. Who was I don't want to say.
I don't want to say man because we ain't never
went public or nothing, So okay, I don't want to

(46:43):
say man. But he's a O G dude OG dude
from l A man. But it was cool, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That crazy man, You know what you had a lot
of I would like to think, man that.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Let let me see this, let me see this. You
know when it comes to beef. I try to kind
of pay attention to, like who's with it the beef,
you know what I mean. Like, if if I'm watching
and I can see like, oh, this person they with
all the they're with all the messy shit, that I

(47:19):
don't mind asking people about them. Who's gonna talk shit
about them? Because I already know they with all the
messy shit, you know what I'm saying. So there'll be
certain people like I just won't do that with because
I know that they're not with the messy shit, you know.
But if they're with the messy shit, then you know,
it comes with it. You know. If they gonna get

(47:40):
someone's gonna talk shit about them, they're gonna talk shit.
And that's how they're gonna stay in the algorithm and
stay hot, you know. And and not everybody's with the
messy shit. So you know, you just gotta, you know,
you gotta pay attention to who's with that shit and
who's not with that shit.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You know, Man, do you think the average person going
on the internet that they're chasing fame or chasing more money?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I mean, that's that's tough, bro, But I mean fame
could be just as good. As money in some situations,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And I don't know what world you said that a
couple of times already. I don't know what world. That's
enough for me. It's all about the paper dog. I'll
give a damn about being famous.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I mean, because you can monetize your fame, you know what,
you get to a certain degree.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Man, Yeah, you know what. That's true. But it's a
lot of people. Man. You know, social currency is a
real thing right now.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Social I mean yeah, I mean yeah. I mean the
privileges the famous people get, for sure, Bro, you're getting
at clubs for free. I mean the I mean the
opportunities you're gonna get just because you're famous. You know,
people you know, people are gonna call you want to
do I mean the women. You know, even if you know,

(48:57):
if you're broken famous, your life is significantly easier than
if you're broken not famous.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Man, I'm gonna tell you this, man, it depends on
It depends on where you're from.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
If you're from the hood and you're famous and you
don't have no paper, man, that's gonna cause you a
massive amount of problems because people gonna think you captain,
people gonna think you over there being stingy. Man. People
want to hit you up for money, They gonna want
to hit you up for bread. And the first time
you say no to somebody that you don't have it,
they ain't gonna believe you. And that's when it's going down.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Telling you, yeah, I mean the certain situations, I could
see it could be bad. But you know that guy
is broke with the fame. He's still banging all the
fucking chicks.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Bro, man, that's what That's what she went to. Man.
I don't know, man, I'd rather have money any day
of the week. Man, I think money is cash is king,
bro Jash is truly king. You know what I was
gonna ask you.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I agree, I agree, I was.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Gonna ask you. It ain't too many, you know what.
We have a pretty you have a pretty big channel. Man.
You do pretty good numbers over there, right. Have you
ever had where you did an interview and they wanted
you to take it down afterwords?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah? Yeah, I've taken down a couple of interviews.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Oh so you have complied and took down the interviews?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I don't think any big interviews, nobody big has ever
asked me to take down an interview these you know,
these are like smaller guys. It's usually the you know,
I'll be honest with you, man. It seemed like the
the lesser known guys who aren't that popular usually are
the ones that, like I usually have more issues with

(50:44):
things with than more of the big names.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Why do you think that is, man, I don't know, bro.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I think they're just overthinking most of the time. It's
like they're just overthinking it. You know, Like like one
time this guy I interviewed this guy, he had this
story about Kanye. I forget what the story was. This
was right, this was like six years ago. You know,
he was in a studio with Kanye, says something something happened.

(51:13):
So he told this story about Kanye. So I had
this interview up. Well, something happened where like he was
live and he was playing like he didn't know he
was live, and he was playing unreleased Kanye West music.

(51:35):
So when the label found out, or when somebody in
Kanye West team found because he was an engineer. This
dude was an engineer, right, and so when whenever, whenever
they found out or the label somebody found out, they
called him up flipping the fuck out. So all day.

(51:56):
You know, I was busy and shit all day. This
dude's calling me, blowing my wanting me to take the
interview down. And the interview didn't have anything to do
with the ship that he was going through. He was
just being he was just overthinking this shit, trying to
get his ass out of fucking the situation he was in,

(52:18):
you know what I'm saying, because he was about to
lose his job, so he was just doing everything could.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
With his music playing on your show in the background
or something.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
No, no, no, I didn't have nothing to do with
that that. This happened like a week. This happened like
a month later after we did the interview. The interview
was already out. That's why I'm weird, right, That's what
I'm saying. He was just trying to get anything that
he did Kanye West related taking down. So you know,
like I said, he was just overreacting to the shit.

(52:47):
And it's always just always like weirshit like that with
like the smaller guys.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
You know what, I think it is a two man.
I think people when they get when you have a
conversation with somebody, man that really feel like you just
having a conversation just between the two of y'all. I
don't think people realize that. Man, hundreds of thousands of
people are probably you know, if not, you know, tens
of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people go
hear this conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Right and sometimes defeat it.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
They don't think about that, man, they don't really think
about that. I know me, I think I don't mind
taking stuff down, man, But I think we all grown,
and I think people I don't think nobody is under
the rest to answer a question. That's why I never
understood why people got mad at Blad.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know why people
get mad at that either. Man. I mean, I mean
sometimes you know shit, you know, sometimes people are new
to the game. You know, they don't really.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Know, you know, what's going on or anything. You know,
they think what it is. I think what it is, man,
especially when you go on the show like glass. If
Ladd asked you a question, man, you have a right
to say, you know what, Man, I'm not going to
answer that right now. Just like I just asked you
to tell me who somebody was you said, no, I
can't tell you. I ask you no more.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I think we have the right thing.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You know, you have the right as an adult, as
an adult on there. It's not like somebody gotta gotta
gotta blicky to your head and saying, hey man, you
know you better answer this question right now, right. I
think we all have it right through that, and I
think people just sometimes like the place place blame on people.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You know, Yeah, you gotta be more cautious of what
you're doing for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Oh for sure, you gotta definitely, and you gotta be
willing to stand them whatever you say. So if you're
on there talking sleep man, you gotta deal with it
because eventually you have to come outside. Basically have to
come outside. Yeah, you gotta do you know.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I think I think, uh, some people just don't prepare.
You gotta prepare for the questions you know are coming,
you know, you know what I'm saying. If you a
rapper like you know what, you know at least half
the questions you're going to be asked in the interview,
you could be you could prepare for that shit.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
You know. The one thing that kills me is when
people have pretty significant public splats and their expats with
people and they don't want nobody to ask them about it.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, don't make no sense.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
If you came on a podcast, you expected nobody's gonna
ask you about that, right, Like I knew at a
certain point when I have mother cohost. Man, if I
did something with somebody, I knew they was gonna ask
about it, right, And it was all up to me
on how I answered those questions. You feel what I'm saying, Yeah,
you feel what I'm saying. I just think, man, I
think we in the Arab man and where people like

(55:48):
bullshit because if you was on your show, if you
was on your show talking about saving the orphans and
doing nice Christian activities, you wouldn't have no viewers.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Man.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Nah, they wanted the drama, for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
They want the drama. When did you realize that was
your lane?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Man? Shit, I don't know. Oh mean, like I said,
I interviewed uh, you know Spider Low from the beginning,
you know, and and and now he was talking. He
was just in young Buck in the interview. He was
just in fifty sent in the interview. I think he
was even this to Shuge Night. I'm not sure though,

(56:30):
but I think he was talking about Shuge Knight in
the interview. You know, he told story about how he
got the g Unit spinner chain back. So, I mean, shit,
I think I just picked Man, there's a lot of
this interview stuff. Man, I just I just picked up
on it. I feel like it kind of like naturally
or something like I just got it, Like I just

(56:52):
understood what was going on, Like I just understood the
ship from the beginning. Like it's kind of kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, it was weirdness interview.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
You had, Oh, man, weird this interview.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Uh oh, I don't Uh, we had to have that
one interview, bro, with all these crazy ass people you
on interview, you had to have that one at least
when he was like damn and I can't believe he
did that said that.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I mean, I mean you could easily just point to
I mean the first Orlando Brown interview was crazy because
he looks in the interview and it's like, Yo, did
he gave me that one win win win.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You know?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Or whatever? He said? I can't I can't even repeat.
I don't even I can't even say how he said it.
But basically he's saying, did he give him ad? You know?
And when he said and ship, you know, I'm not
sitting there like, yeah, I don't even know what to say, Like,
I don't even know how to like follow up with
that ship you think did he He looks serious?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So he said, did he? Man? Oh my god? So man,
he said, did he gave him some dun?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I don't need right.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah? Yeah, so you know behind that, I have.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
To put a pause behind that. Speaking of pause, have
you ever had Damn Dash on your show?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I Damash a couple of times. Man. Cool?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
What typic you say?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Cool? Dude? Man? You know he was professional man? You know, yeah, Man,
I definitely liked working with Dame. I would work with
dam again for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Man. When did you do Dame that?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
We did it virtually?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Y'all? Did it virtually?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That was cool. Man. I had to get Dame on. Man.
I've been trying to get Dame on, you know, and
I haven't really been trying. I think if I wanted to,
I could. I haven't really tried hard enough. But he's
definitely somebody I've been wanting to holler at.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Man.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Did he have a lot of stipulations?

Speaker 1 (59:00):
No? No, I don't think he put any stipulations, to
be honest, did you ever get those?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Did you ever get people like, man, I'm gonna do
this interview, but you can't ask me about this or that.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Man very rarely, man, very very rarely does that happen.
You know, I had you know, just recently, I interviewed
the Prince, the Dude Supreme's brother, and they wanted all
the questions before the interview, which I had never had

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that type of request before.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Well, sometimes you don't even know what questions you go ask. Man,
Sometimes interview just goes the way it goes. I know
I have questions, but it was like if I write
ten questions down for interview writing preparation of interview, sometimes, man,
I might get the question number three and they just
take the interview in a whole different direction. You feel
what I'm saying. Yeah, that happens a lot too. Yeah,

(59:57):
and you just never just get back to the question.
All the questions, what'd you do? Just right down a
bunch of bullshit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
No, no, no, I wrote, I did research. I did
a lot of research for that interview because I felt
like it was a pretty big interview. You know, fifty
Cent talked about him in his songs, and you know,
you know when fifty Cent says, uh, Preme was the
businessman and Prince was the killer. Yeah, that's him, Prince
from the Supreme team. Like it was pretty so yeah, man,

(01:00:27):
I did a lot. I spent a lot of time
doing a lot of research, so you know it was
a real structured interview for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's messed up. I don't I don't think people
realize how easy he was to get sued now because
by fifty cent saying that dude was a killer, you know,
he could have sued.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Fifty I mean he could have. But he beat like
three or four murder cases throughout that life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
So that means that he was you know, in the
eyes of the law at least, that means that he
was innocent. You feel what I'm saying. I mean, technically
the fifty cent you know, said he was out here
underlive and people. You know, he could have sued him. Man,
You know, you just can't unless it's true. Man, you can't.
You can't say what you want to about somebody. Man,
you just can't go online and just say, man, you

(01:01:14):
know what cam capone, man is a cam capone is
a is a serial killer. You feel what I'm saying,
You get I can't go do that if I see that, man,
you can sue me. That's defamation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. I think in a
fifty cent situation where you've beaten like three different murders
and stuff, I mean technically is defamation. But I don't
know if the judge is gonna really hammer you for
that one, because you often got to prove that it
costs you money, right well, it also has to cost

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you money and have an impact on your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
No, man, you can say I'm having headaches because of
that man cam capone was talking about me and it
showed my head been hurting. Brouh Man, you know, I'm
suing them for the rest man, for stress, for all
the stress he's caused in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I mean, I guess you could, but couldn't you see
the government for all the stress they caused you? But no,
not really, that's different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
But I'm gonna tell you or not. I know firsthand
if I was a foul dude, Man, I had somebody
dead the rights. I ain't gonna say their name, man,
but I had them dead. The rights I'm talking about. Man,
if I have pushed the buttons on they ass man
out of took house, took out of did all. I
could have done all kinds of stuff. Man, it would
have been wicked, But I said no, it wasn't that
serious to me, right, But my attorney was on they ass. Man.

(01:02:41):
All I had to do was sign the paperwork. Bro,
All I had to do was sign the paperwork. But
I wasn't with it, man. I wasn't with it, man,
because you know, maybe they'd been putting out a video
about me. Man still out there. You know what if
you sue somebody as that considered the form of stiction,
what are you suing them for? If you suing somebody
for character sasinaking your character talking crazy about you, tell

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them lies a bunch of lies about you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty close to snitching. It depends
on who you know. It probably depends on who who
said it about you too. Definitely, if you're a street
dude and another street dude says some wild shit about you,
I definitely don't think you can see him for sure.
That's definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I'm gonna tell you something, man, I'm gonna tell you something.
And this is how I really feel about this. If
you are a man and you pass the age of
twenty five and you're no longer in the streets man,
and you doing whatever it is you do to make
your living. You are not a gangster no more. You
are not in the streets no more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
You are not in the streets no more. So all
them little rules about this is snich and that is Nicks.
And I don't think that apply no more. I don't
think it's applicable no more, especially if you're not in
that life. Man, if somebody, you know, if somebody shoot
at you and you and the police said, man, who
was it? The shot at you? Are? Man? It was
cam capone. You know. If you not, if you don't

(01:04:10):
have no street stuff going on, I don't think that's
Nixon broh. I think that's just you being just a
person telling law enforcement somebody shot at you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Man. If you ain't, if you ain't in the streets,
why are you getting shot at? What? You know? What
you might you gotta be doing. You probably doing something
to be getting shot at.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
What the thing is? You could have said something about somebody.
You definitely did something that somebody didn't appreciate a light, right,
But if the police asked you, hey, man, did did
such and such shoot at you. Yeah, man, he shot
at me. It was him. Why do you know did
you see him yet? It was him? I saw him.
He had a black baseball cap. Pone wumptyumpy wham. You know.

(01:04:51):
And you know now nowadays you have a whole bunch
of people, man, who don't well, my problem is this,
My problem is this, right, you have a bunch of
people on the internet who don't who don't reside in
the streets. They're regular people, man. Half these people got jobs,
their regular lives, right, and they sitting up here calling

(01:05:12):
people snitches. I know some sniches did a bush your head.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Open, that's a fact, bro, Just get the snitch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Just because somebody has told on somebody. If somebody is
a snatch, don't mean they're not a gangster no more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
That means they may have broken that code of silence
or whatever, But that don't means you might get hurt. Men.
I've seen people call calling certain people's snatches.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I'm like, man, be careful with that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
That do work you, Yeah, be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Very careful, be very careful throwing that snickch hurd around.
I've seen some people get the taste slapped out their mouth. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's rough for calling certain peoples snitches. Man, that
the whole snitch jacket, and I think that's out of control.
Now man, it's like right now, man, that's like, that's
almost like a piece of content. Now, man, find out

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that somebody had snatched it told on somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Man. This is definitely I was in an interview with
somebody man, and we definitely talked about this being the
year of the snitches. So many, so many people got
exposed this year for snitching.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Boy, this is what it is man, the average person. Man, Now,
this is what I look at. Right. If me and
you decide to go hop a gate, right and we
both say, hey, man, you tell me still man this building, Man,
they got five million cash in there, and now the
security guard go lead the back door. Of course, all

(01:06:39):
we gotta do is walk in and take it. Right.
Let's say me and you we get away, we hop
back over the fence with the money or whatever. Right,
you go left and I go right, and I get caught.
I'm telling you, bro, that snitching, right, that snitching because
you know, I decided to do a crime, right, decided

(01:07:00):
to invest into a life of crime by me doing it.
I see I'm gonna be with whatever consequences come out
of a good or bad. I'm gonna deal with it. Right.
I have no business putting your name in my mouth, Bro,
no business. But if I'm just a square now I'm
at home chilling, man, it's my right not seeing I
was snitch on somebody, Bro, because I probably wouldn't tell

(01:07:21):
on nobody. Right, I probably want my get back if
I'm not in that lifestyle. Bro, that's my that's my prerogative.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And I wouldn't get it down with nobody, but nobody
had to say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I mean you know that. But you know the thing
is too, if you're not in that lifestyle, you shouldn't
come across problems where people want to really hurt you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Well, you know what that's not especially man, I'm listening
to this we in podcasts. Now, I just say something
about somebody and they may just get upset.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
They might get mad. They might get mad, they may
they may try to pop off at me. Now I'm
more than likely pop off back at the ass, but
they may try to pop off at me. Right, I
have a right as a civilian to tell somebody hey, man,
And I'm gonna tell you this a lot of times.
A lot of times it ain't about stiction. It's about
letting law enforcement know that, Man, hey, this dude saying

(01:08:17):
this dude is threatening my life. So I just want
you all to be aware that. So if I do
something with to them, it's on record that I warned
you all about this guy that I feel. I fear
for my life, I fear for my safety. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
But you're not really saying too much about people, are you, Like,
you know, you see, I'm not okay about me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I'm not talking about Norman Steele, right, I'm not talking
about me personally. I'm just saying this different scenarios out there, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Hey, man, Look like if you're out there talking shit
about somebody who you know is violent, man, just accept
that they what's gonna come with it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Y'all out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
You know, Cam, I'm gonna tell you this though. People
have a right to say what they want to, right,
but but they have to know there's consequences that come
behind that, worth good or bad, even if it's you
getting sued, Because if you say the wrong thing about
a person, you could be liable for that, and that
way that person could be like you know, what fuck that.
I'm sewing his ass, you know, yeah, I'm sewing his ass.

(01:09:17):
You gotta go with whatever, come with it, man, you
have to do. You have to be prepared to deal
with it in any manner, any way possible, because the
smoke is gonna come and one way or one in
one shape, form or fashion another. It's coming at you.
It's coming at you. It is coming at you. You
know what. Say. I see a lot of people now, man,
The internet is really really strange right now, man. And

(01:09:41):
I see people in the comment section, Man, they comment
on who's snitching and who's doing this and doing that?
And I wonder, because I'm gonna tell y'all know a
lot of people in the streets, man, I know a
whole lot of people right And the people I know
on the streets are never on the internet. They are
never on the internet. That people I noticed in the streets,
they don't they don't go on the internet. They don't

(01:10:04):
watch shows. They couldn't tell you for this person needs
and who that person needs because of them, They just
they just don't talking on internet. So it's a whole lot, man,
Who do you have coming up next on your show?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Recently? I interviewed comfor Rick Rock dropping probably tomorrow. I
interviewed a dude called No Love. He's a Finesse two
Times brother. So we talked about all the latest stuff
going on with the Finesse two Times and his mom,
and you know, he has some pretty wild stories from
Finesse two Times hanging out with him and you know, so, yeah,

(01:10:39):
it's pretty dope.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Yeah, were about to have Compton Rick Rocks out of
the homie Compton Rick, right, We about to have him
on the show too. I like Compton Rick Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, yeah, me too, man for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
He's a dude that definitely doing this thing. And I'm
gonna tell you this. They said he was a food
with it at one time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah, yeah, he's right. Ten years or more than ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, he official brother, he official component. Rick Rock is
not nobody to be played what he's official now. He
don't change his life for the veteran stuff. But that
don't mean, you know, I wouldn't suggest nobody's going out
there playing on games that man, You feel me, I
hear you, yeah, because he is definitely with all the smoke.

(01:11:23):
He definitely, you know, just because he don't invite it.
And I think that's when people get twisted. Sometimes you
have to be careful, man. You have to be careful
saying stuff about people. Man, he definitely, you know, especially
making assumptions about people. You can't make an assumption and
feel like that this man is on that doing interviews

(01:11:43):
right now, that you can just feel free to say
what you want to. You wouldn't one that you wouldn't
want to be the reason he relapsed, for sure, for sure,
for shell for sure. Man, I appreciate you coming to
sit down with me. Bro Oh okay, Yeah, appreciate you
coming and sit down with me. Man. I'm gonna be

(01:12:04):
the first person that gets you out there in person.
Man gets you out. So you got the best hand man,
you and you in the homely art man, stay behind
the scenes. Man. Glad put itself out in public class
and I want to be on that camera.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, flat, last interview has been going crazy lately.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, manast Glad is funny, Man, Glad is actually very entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, Glad, I got some drama with somebody him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And the homie Glass was going out. You know Glasses
put out that song.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah that's right band from Glad TV.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah band, what did you think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It was a cool song for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it was a dope record. Man told a dope story.
You know, last said it didn't happen like that. Now
I'm asking you, like not to starting to miss. Who
do you believe? Because I don't know, Man, I wasn't there.
I can see it just because glasses homie. I ain't
gonna automatically say I agree with him. I don't think
the homie would lie, but I don't know. I wasn't there, right,
Who do you believe?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
No idea, Bro, I got. I gotta be honest, I
got no idea. They both sound very believable. I'm not
gonna lie, bro. They both sound like that ship I
believe in both is Where does that sounds? It sounds
like they're both at time? And that's a very good,
politically correct answer. That's a very.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Correct, just being real ship. Yeah, that was funny. Man
Glad Glad had the interview. They interviewed Lad in his
own platform. I was laughing, man. I told Lances though,
when he did the record, I said, you know, Flag,
go say something to you. You canna respond to that. He said, no,
you're not, Bro, I said, yes, he is. Man, Why
would he not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah that worked out. Good ship blass is to shetload
a good promo off that shit?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Oh hell yeah, for sure he did. Now had that
been me, had that been me personally, bro and it
wasn't true, I wouldn't have said anyhing about it because
I see stuff every day on the Internet. If I
see some shit about me and it ain't true, dog,
I don't pay no attention to it. It's whatever, you
know what, me too, because I'm not about to give
no no because usually people just want your attention, right

(01:14:24):
and I'm not about to give nobody attention. They're telling
buldface lies. If it's something that's true, is oh well
it's truth. You know what I mean. But I'm definitely
not responding no lies, no stories.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
No I had that man it yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I try not to respond. I'm only responding a few times.
Well you ain't having a whole bunch of smoke with people,
have you not? Really, That's what I'm saying, man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
And Plus I look at it like this, it ain't
nothing of the phone called kasso. Man, I'm not going
I'm not never settling no beef online over no internet.
Because it just looked ridiculous. After a while, you know,
mm hm, I put up episodes yelling at somebody and
cuts them out, then they put up episode. Man, if
it's that serious, let's just meet a box.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
You'll make no money that way, bro. People are trying
to make money and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Cam you younger than me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
The funny thing about it is all these dudes that
be talking all this crazy talk. All them dudes old man.
Some of these cats is older than me. I'm an
og for real. I just think, man, that's just at
a certain age. If you in your fifties, man, you
got to carry yourself a certain way. I think so anyway,

(01:15:44):
I'm not whoever embarrassed myself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Man. You know, I think people see this as like entertainment. Bro.
It's like it's like a TV show. You know what
I'm saying, This shit is like reality TV. Bro, Like
you know, and I know that's that's why I was saying.
You know, like I pay attention to who's messy and

(01:16:07):
who's not. You know, who's who's participating in the reality
TV show and who's not participating in the reality TV show.
You know, And some people want to participate and some
people don't. Some people get forced to participate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
How can you force somebody to participate.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Well, you make up a story about him, kind of
like you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Know, but then I wouldn't even respond if you made
up a story about me. Man, I'm just school. I'm
laugh at you know what. Man, you would be surprised
me and the homie sit up to laugh at so
much stuff, man, because it's funny almost most of the time,
especially when they get the flexing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
You got the dudes that be screaming on the internet,
some of these ogie gangster dudes. Man, I did this
to them and I did that, and I was going
like this, need with and he was like this, you
looking like Man, Calm down, bro, easy, easy, bruiser. It's
just funny, you know, because a lot of you be capping, man,

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A lot of these cats be capping.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
It's crazy. Well, man, I'm gonna go and let you
hit this rode. Man, I appreciate you sitting down with
me again. And y'all make sure y'all gonna check out
the Homies channel. If y'all y'all doing, I'm pretty sure
all these people are here. Know your channel, man, cam
capone TV, the place where all the bullshit lives.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Is just news caam copone, check out YouTube and dance
Spotify and you know everywhere for all that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
And on that note, we gone well. That concludes another
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