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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You know what, tonight, I just probably got the coolest
motherfucking the coolest cat of deals man, the coolest podcaster
ital is Man, my guy, my my partner, man, been
my business partner for how many years? Have been known? Bro?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Damn Mike. We'll be in twenty five.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
At least eight years, almost twenty six bro.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah yeah eight Yeah, it's been like eight years. We
met in like sixteen, Yeah, like sixteen. Yep.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
That was crazy, man, All this stuff don't happen now.
I remember when I first hit you up, hit you up, Hey, man,
I know you're probably on a big network on something, man,
but I'm starting this network up digital soapbox. Who would
have known? Man? Who would have you know? It was
really the first time all black podcast network, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
And you know what's funny because when you hit me up,
I was shocked that somebody hit me because nobody wasn't
hit me. But I learned so much since then to
now still look like what we go through and I
learned and phases like, because's a lot of stuff that
we don't know. Even when we started in this podcast thing,
we thought we could just jump in sign some shows

(01:12):
and do all that. Now we learned that it wasn't
like that world. Man don't work. We keep right right right,
a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Big people, it just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Bro Charston white.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Choston white Man. And you know what, Man, the thing
about Charleston White Man is I actually he was probably
man the most professional out of everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh my god, Charleston was see. I don't want to
say what Charleston do was a act, but he knows
how to get the crowd. But Charleston is very very pleasant,
very very creative, and very very professional. He's very very professional.
Let's talk about that though.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, you know what the thing is, man, he's probably
the most misunderstood dude online because what I realize is
people are dumb assts. Like intellect goes over a lot
of people's head because people get caught up in their emotions. Right,
if you listen to, probably eighty percent of the stuff
he's saying is satire, right, it's satire. He's actually a genius.

(02:13):
He's very smart, dude, you know what I mean? And
the thing that people don't know, man, is he with
all the smoke. Yes, So if you think that you
just gonna come and do something to him, he's with
all the smoke. All that is not to act. He's
very much with the smoke.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I respect Charleston because he's speaking what he deemed to
be his truth, fearlessly, effortlessly, and articulate.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
See, it's different when you're a smart troll, when you're.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
An intelligent troll, you actually go always gonna win because
what you do is you provoke the emotions of the people,
and you know people going to be very emotional, so
you know what to stay that's gonna get them clicks, likes,
and views. Charleston gave me a dope interview as well
as he gave you a dope interview. I just think
politically we couldn't really Charleston was too ahead of his

(03:04):
time or what he was doing. Where we knew the culture,
we didn't think it was gonna go like this. We
didn't think trolling was going to be and now it's
a regular degular thing. But Charleston was ahead of his time.
Because if I don't got no filter, he didn't have
nothing like he I'm gonna tell.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
You this about Charleston. This what it really was to me.
In order for me to in order for us to
promote somebody like Charleston and keep him and kind of
just keep him, letting him do his thing without depending
on these sponsors or nothing. We would have had to
been and we had to have a couple hundred thousand
dollars bro just to be able to sustain him without

(03:43):
going to go get no advertisement and kind of just
let his brand scale to the point where it didn't
matter what he said, right, and he people allad to
mess with him because he's a very polarizing dude like
and people they think that they don't like him, but
they like and that's the reason why they keep listening.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
To him absolutely. And what I would want the audience
to know is that even for myself, even for The
Gangst the Chronicles, we had ran into some things with advertising.
We was with one company. They was like, yo, y'all
get in the download, y'all get in the streams.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
How to get the sponsors because some people was afraid
of the Gangst the Chronicles so automatically when they see
the Gangster, they was like some people was afraid of
Doggie Diamonds. No filter because when they think no filter's
going to be no filter and I'm liable to say
anything that was early on as well too. So we
went through some trials and tribulations in this podcast game,

(04:37):
and you just got to get with the right people
that say, yo, I see the vision, I know the vision,
and this is what I want to do. And respectfully,
it has to be people from your culture sometimes because
they can understand the culture better. When you have people
that's not from your culture and you're trying to do
business with them, they'll see the metrics, they'll see the analytics,

(05:00):
and they know how to work with that.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
But then they don't know who to sell you to.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And still very racist business.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You know. I know you wasn't gonna see it. I
ain't gonna dance around it. Shout out to the Black
Effect Man, Shout out to Charlotte Magne and the God Man.
Shout out to Lady Prayers, Dolly Bishop Man. I love them, man,
because they let us do us right. Man. Now, the
thing is, you can lose some sponsors. Fortunately we haven't
lost these sponsorships, right, But you say the wrong thing,

(05:29):
you know. I know, Glasses lost Coca Cola the first
night he did a podcast, and he didn't really say
nothing the first night he did his podcast. Man, the
first time he did it, he lost Coca Cola Dog
was a sponsor. That's a big sponsor. Bro. Yes, and
I don't think a lot of people. I'm gonna put
some stuff out there. Man, Now I have been doing this,
I would say, Man, we've been doing this professionally for

(05:51):
a long time. Bro, you was doing it before I was.
I would say, when you when did you kick off?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Two thousand and six, two thousand six, right, doing all
of this since two thousand and six.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Official podcast twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
But you know, I was podcasting before it was called
a podcast exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So I think that came for me, Yeah, exactly. And
I think I might have came in. Man, we kicked
our thing off maybe twenty seventeen. But I was trying
to do a podcast on glasses before that. We had
a podcast called The Mind of Malone and Glasses, of course,
was the biggest flake in the world. Man. I would
show up, we show up to take the show, and
he's like, I'll be there ten minutes, Becauz and it'd

(06:33):
be an hour. I'll be sitting outside of his apartment downtown. Man.
I said, Man, you know, eventually, forget this, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I remember, man, I was doing something with Dash
for a minute, and I was going to have an
interview with Big Cyc. You know, me and Big Sight
was best friends. Rect of Peace, my homey tyres Hines.
At the time, Big Cycle lived out on Riverside, which
is a little way so much for those in California,

(06:55):
you know, but Riverside, man, that's like down to ninety
one Freeway, right. He was staying out at the time.
He was on his way and I was coaching football.
At the time. I was coaching football. I was coaching
my son's team, and I was running over right, and
so I called him. I was trying to catch him
before he left. I said, damn, I hope psyching on
a freeway far down. I called myself, Bro, let's just
do it tomorrow. And he said, man, shoot, cool, I'm

(07:16):
kind of feeling tired, so it's cool. I can go home, right,
So he turned around. He wasn't that far down. He's
probably like ten minutes from his house, right. So the
next day I called him back to schedule. Now, this
is something I'm gonna show you about time. And this
really taught me a valuable lesson, right, because I'm gonna
tell you two stories, right. So I called him back
the next day and he didn't pick he you know,

(07:37):
he didn't pick up right. It sounded like his phone
was dead, you know. I just go straight to the
voicemail and it was full. And that didn't that That's
not like Psych. Psych was always but he never got
back to me. So it's like the day went by,
two days went by, three days went by. I actually
went out to his crib man and like knocked on
his door to see if he because that's not like him,
you feel what I'm saying, Like he's always the type

(07:58):
of dude to call back, like especially me and Psych
used to talk every day. Dog. So I went out
by his crib man just to check, and I hit
the Homy forty lock up because he has some mutual people,
And I said, Bro, where's Psyche And he said, man,
Psyche died. That really stunned me, man, and it messed
me up because I would have possibly been the last

(08:20):
conversation he had for the public anyway. Right, I was
gonna really do something night, like I had it all planned.
I told him what we talk about. I said, Bro,
I want to do a whole interview, and I don't
want to talk about Tupac. I don't want to talk
to you about I want to talk to you about
Big Site, right, because me and him was friends. People
gonna know, Man, me and Big Psych traveled around the
world together. We've been in Japan, been at Dubaip in England,

(08:42):
a lot of dope places, right, And he was just
a friend. Man. It's very rare that you meet people
in this business that become friends like he was like
my brother. Man. I really missed that dude because he
was a real cat. And I know for a fact, Man,
that had I kicked Gainst the Chronicles off of the
probably cycle with it for show, been on the show right, right,

(09:02):
we'd have a whole different iteration, right, it would have
been a whole different incarnation of it. And the show
Man has done Like despite all the stuff we gotten out,
look at people, man, and I've gotten to the point, Man,
we don't even listen. I'm trying not to curse. I
don't even listen to mother suckers no more because they
don't know what the hell they're talking about at the
time of It's.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
A lot of cap and it's a lot of this
information about podcasting downloads, money, sponsorships, and actually even what
a podcast is. See recently, within the last two years,
YouTube has created a podcast tabe where you can do
a video show and they will label it as a podcast,

(09:43):
and you could also take the RSS feed and put
it out there as a podcast. But prior to that,
a lot of dudes wasn't doing podcasts. They were doing
YouTube shows.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
They were doing YouTube shows. And that's what I would
tell people. And see, the thing is, believe me, man,
we got videos that said the half a million and
a minute and anytime I want, don't get a twisted
anytime I want. We wanted to snap on his motherfucker.
We hardly even upload videos because it's not our main thing.
We just kind of do it because, you know, we
just do it right. And plus eight is coaching football now, right,

(10:13):
he's coaching football. You know. It's an interesting thing about eight,
not the vera off too much. Eight been rapping as
a ad. It's been a professional musician since the age
of seventeen, and I had to remember that. So he
never really got to do the stuff is that normal
person gets to do, like go play football and basketball.
So he's really intensely into coaching you football. He loves

(10:35):
those kids. I'm gonna tell you a story about it.
He probably never said it when he did the Kendrick
Lamar feature, right when he did the good for the
title track good Key at Mass City, Right, he was
on the title track for the album that was originally
the video that Kendrick wanted to shoot. He wanted to
shoot the video for that song. You know why he
didn't do it. He called eight twice a said, I
see how this playoff bracket go work out? Right, He

(10:57):
had his son's Super Bowl game. That's why he didn't
go to do the video.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Getre called him a couple of times to go do
a video, and he had football games both. So that
show you where his head is. That eight is very
like he's very focused on reality. Like he don't live
in that whole little world of just depending on like
trying to go somewhere. Eight. I think he understands the
stuff that truly matters, right, like being in your son's
football game. Right, A lot of people might think, oh, man,

(11:23):
you were supposed to go do that video with Kendrick. Now,
in reality, he was supposed to be there for a sign,
which he did.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's true because you could do a video anytime, but
you you know, on that that moment of the Super Bowl,
there's no duo, but there's no rerun. There's no rematter
the next day, especially a Super Bowl, maybe a baseball series,
unless it's not the final game, or even a basketball
they gonna do the best of three. You might be
able to lose one game. But then at the same time,
when you're there for your children, they need you there

(11:50):
every time. They need you there every day, so you
don't get to take a's off exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And the thing is right, I know there's gonna be
some people out there sitting, man, you just so you
football games. Man, I'm gonna tell you something, as a
dude to coach you football. For about good ten years
of my life, I got three Super Bowls, bro out
of ten years. That's a low percentage. I made the
like playoffs for STEMI finals all the time, right, But
it's not easy winning the Super Bowl, bro, And no,

(12:16):
on no kind of level, it's not easy winning the championship, right,
especially with your son and you coaching the team. Man,
it's like a thing that y'all remember forever. He has
a wonderful vin. I'm gonna tell you, man, I get
so sick of hearing people say that black men aren't
good fathers. Right. Some of the best fathers I know
are rappers. Dog like Aight is excellent father. Right, take
care of you know, his children, right, He don't have

(12:36):
a whole church full of kids, but he take care
of his kids, right, my man, top dog from TD
man got college graduates in his family. You feel what
I'm saying. He's like all his kids, man, Like you
couldn't even curse in tops house. If you go.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
To the NFL. Your son made it to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, And it's like it's a lot of casts. Man.
It's like, I know, my my whole thing is because
I'm gonna tell you, man, And I tell people this
all the time. People always ask about money, right. The
first thing they ask about is money, and it tricks
me out. They don't ask about nothing else. Right. The
first whole key to being successful with anything is to
be passionate about it right, and to realize that money
is just an instrument that buys you. What buys you

(13:16):
time right. It gives you time to be able to
do stuff right. And the one thing I understood, man,
I've always understood because I'm the type of person I
go through something one time and I don't fuck with
it again. If it's bad the first time, I'm not
trying to I'm not giving it a second chance. Right.
That's just insane to me. I don't even understand that
logic when people keep trying to do the same dumb stuff. Right.

(13:38):
But I always said, man, that you can get you
can make money all the time. I've lost money, bro,
I've put a lot of money into stuff, lost it.
I've always been able to get money back, bro. But
the one thing, one asset that you can't recoup is time.
I'm very man particular with my time. I do not
waste time, man. I do not waste time time when

(14:00):
people on the phone about a bunch of nothing. That's
one thing I did, man. I looked at the minutes
talked on my phone one day, man, and it was
like a ten thousand minutes for the month of something
that was crazy. Right. It was just something really crazy
and insane. Right. It might have not have been ten
thousand minutes, but it was a lot, right. And I
started really tracking the conversations I had, and I said man.

(14:21):
If the conversations I'm having, man, is about other people gossip,
WHI y'all wouldn't never been into, right, I was gonna
start cutting them short if it was about building and
strategized and talking about some business. Like every time me
and you build, we gonna talk every day. But when
we do, we building on something, right.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, we rarely shoot the shit. It's always about something.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, we talked about something, you know what? Or are
we looking at the state of the culture, right, like
I know one of the things that me and you've
been looking at. And not to be hypocritical, I would
say loud Speakers networks were the first people to put
rappers as podcasters, right, That's the label that Charlottmagne and
all of them come from. You know, come back check
you know that they kind of like the godfathers of

(15:04):
urban podcasting, right right right? No, Texte and all them
cats Mane for sure shout out.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's Peter Rosenberg and and this Sight for sales. I
don't think they were first. Then you had Elliott Wilson.
Then you had what I was doing, which wasn't Again,
I didn't know that it was called podcasting, but I
used to take my audio and upload it to YouTube
and all that. I was doing podcasting. But see, even
when we talk about the word podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Podcasts come from the iPod.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It comes from being able to put the music in
the eepod to listen to it. That's why the part
is in the word podcast. So it comes from the iPod.
It comes from that era, comes from Apple, and then
it just podcasting been around for a very very long time.
It just didn't hit us in the urban market. And

(16:00):
then when we all started doing it, some of us
were doing it early. Some of us. They was looking
like me, I ain't sitting down listening to no dudes.
You know what I'm saying. Because the thing about podcast
is that we was able to cut the radio out.
We was able to have online talk shows, online talking
points or mobile talking points without people having to deal

(16:21):
with commercials maybe the little inserts and stuff like that,
but even that was hard to get the little inserts
in anything. At one point, and everybody had a SoundCloud first.
Remember everybody's on sound.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, it was different. At one time, we thought about
putting our shows on SoundCloud in addition to other ones,
cause I was like, man, we missing a lot of downloads.
A lot of people messed with SoundCloud. You know what
the thing is though, This is another thing misinformation, right,
I swear man. The problem with our people, man is
they almost pair us from a lack of knowledge. They
believe anything. Somebody. You go on this YouTube and tell

(16:51):
them something, they believe it. If a dude come on
this channel now and say, man, I made one hundred
million dollars off this podcast. Man, you know such and
such made a hundred million? How much you make they
ripping you off? Bro, and I might do how just
think about what you said. How does the company make
the money back? You pay somebody twenty million dollars thirty
million dollars to do a podcast, how do you make
the money back? That means you have to sell their
advertising rates for probably about half a million dollars, right,

(17:14):
and you had to get four or five an episode.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
The duration of whatever the contract is. So if they
got a four or five year contract and they got
a five million per that mean they gotta be making
thirty million, because you can't. They can't make five million
back because that's that's a loss. You understand what I'm saying,
Nook break even.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You make a loss, yeah, people.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
People don't know that. People don't know that. But you
know it's funny. Still, as long as I've been doing this,
people think I don't know what I'm talking about. They'll
listen to any.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Crazy they listen. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm a
brag for you for a minute. You don't have no
other occupation. You don't have nothing else to do. Even
though you know how to make beats and DJ, you
don't DJ on the side that you can easily shoot
you where you add to. You can probably go out
to make fifteen because you people know who you are.
You can go out to make fifteen hundred two thousand
dollars easy every weekend, right right right. You don't make beats.

(18:07):
People don't know you used to produce Biggie right right.
You just do podcasts. You make a good living. You
make a six figure living as a podcasting. So for
someone to say that you don't know what you're doing
and not listen to your advice, it's kind of stupid
because you gotta do this that that is at this
job wish need can do what you do. Telling you
you don't know what you talked about because such sed
they do this and they do it like that, right.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, even even the dude live in your house and
think you can tell you what to do and live
with you. That's how that's how cocky and arrogant society
has gotten. But you know it's funny. I think I'm
at the point in my life where I talk to
those who want to hear what I have to say.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I don't impose my will no more, I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I used to be disheartened when I be like, damn, man,
I'm trying to give you all a game. I'm trying
to realize. Man, this same for everybody.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're gonna listen to whoever resonates with you.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Even if you like somebody because they better glasses than me,
You like somebody because they got a better aesthetic. You know,
still is so crazy, Like I do my own graphics,
Like everything you look at I make like I actually
will sit on a photoshop and make my own stuff.
You know what I'm saying This.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Reason you're running a business, bro and you treat it
like as. I respect that because I'll call you and say, hey, man,
I'm doing this content. You do your like me. I
got too much going on, dog, you know, I'm a
serial entrepreneur. I got two or three other things that
I do in addition to this, right, So it's like
I got all kinds of stuff that I do because
the one thing when you come from privty, you always

(19:34):
scared about being broke, right, So I never let no
opportunities hanging. Like literally, my wife said that the other day.
She said, you always doing little side deals and stuff
like that. Right, And it's.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Funny graphics and you know what I'm saying, Yeah, all
kinds of stuff. That's the thumbnail for a Killer Priest
podcast I just put out last night. This is the
thumbnail for the for the for the Drake and Kendrick
show I just did last night.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Like you know, like I.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Really, I really sit in here. But you know what's
still I think a lot of people don't know, Like yo,
I take this real serious and sometimes right, and sometimes
people will confuse passion with bitterness or being jaded. I
never said I was broke. I never said I never

(20:25):
asked the ball on nobody's money. I never said I
never had a sign up like well, work for food.
But I'm really really I put a lot of effort
into my work and then and then you know it's
deep still because I got to tell the people this.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I did this for about five six years before I made.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
A dollar every day. I did this before I made
a dollar. I didn't get I didn't have no money.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know, I was homeless when we started forms.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I ain't got nowhere to stay. All I had was
a camera and just run outside and get content. And
I had a computer at my sister crib and I
was staying there. And when homeless doesn't mean on the street,
homeless means whatever your home is. Yeah, does not feel

(21:10):
like you're home. You are a guest. If you are
guessed in somebody's house, you are homeless. I don't care
how much somebody say, make yourself at home. That's conditional.
So even people who live with people have to be
humble that this is not your home.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
You got to come in there and buy by rules.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
And regulations and show the person that you put an
effort into going out there to get your own. You
understand what I'm saying, So I would brow. I would
do like eleven twelve interviews in the day. That's how
I have all that content. I would go out all
day getting content and come home editing you know how
many gigs a ram I had on my computer.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Four You need at least eight to do something decent.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh, I was just I was just so hungry, Like
I was like, yo, man, I can't I can't live.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
With before started making money because y'all was real early
on the like actually like running ads and stuff on
y'all website too, because when we were talking about that,
y'all started, y'all was getting big money for the man's
at one time.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Y'all, yeah, we was. We was. He was making some
good brand. He was making a lot of money to
Wearas I was able to move, I was able to,
you know, assist my family with financial you know things,
and truthfully, like I still I still got something false money,
you know what I'm saying, Like for real, for real,
like I still the money that I made back then,

(22:35):
I still was able to hold on to it. And
then I'm really really big on investing myself. That's why
I got to have the aesthetic. Like I'm the type
of person that to look at somebody camera work and
be like, now I want my camera to look better
than that. When I just asked today, right, I said,
what camera you you still when when y'all shoot when
y'all shooting, you know, because I didn't have the cameras.
I don't have the seven d's, the five d's, you know,

(22:57):
but that's in the different eraor now we're four k
So yeah, I was, you know, I the Forbes YouTube
started in two thousand and six, two thousand and eight,
but we already I had my own personal channel in
like two thousand and six. So yeah, I got maybe
three or four YouTube one hundred thousand subscriber plaques.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I got, you know what I'm saying, but what.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I want the audience to get. Sometimes I knew what
my purpose was. My purpose was a new content was king.
I knew that if I got this content, nobody could
tell me nothing after a while, and that was gonna
shape and mold the culture and then also solidify me forever,

(23:42):
because I knew, as long as you got content, you
can make some money. That's it. Content has since been changed.
Anybody could pick up their phone and do stuff like that.
But I knew that this content because it wasn't often
that you would see Joe Button somewhere, but that show
that's Joe Button and me. I'm a Brooklyn dude, some fear.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
What he does to really good.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
So I'll shout out to Joe. But shout out to
Joe Budden and Norray, you know why, because you know
they host they hot in ninety seven before. People don't
realize that they are good.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
At what they do. Bro very good at what they do.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And shout out to the underrated DJ e f N too,
Man e f N, don't name No get shouted a lot.
I know, Norry get all the props for the show,
but e f N. Because sometimes Nor when you don't
know what the hell you're talking about, that damn great
partner of yours. He saved you. So shout out to

(24:36):
DJ e f N and another veteran and the culture.
He's such a veteran of the coature. He actually had
hair at one point, he actually had black hair and
had hair on his head. So for him to be
gray and ball, that's how you know he's been putting
in work for a long time.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
He stretched out and he don't die and stuff either.
He's lett it. He just got it there. Yeah. You
know what, if you go to Miami, it's funny because
when you're rolling down the freeway, you see this building,
crazy hood productions with the big boombox and stuff. He's
really steeped the Miami coach. He made beats and stuff. Man,
he does a lot of events in the city and
stuff like EFN is a factor down there in Miami.

(25:12):
To him, he's a factor in the Southeast, you know,
nationwide now around the world, right Drink Champions, Like, you know,
Drink Champions is probably still the number one brand in podcasting.
You know, it's big, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And in the hip hop because because I think shout
out to I don't pick one or the other. I
think Drink Champs would be more to our liking because
they interview rappers. But Joe Butten, he did he did
a play and I understood the play. After he did
the play, he said, when I'm a dude, I don't
have to be guest driven. My co hosts are the guests,

(25:47):
and then we'll work off these personalities on the show.
Some of them gonna mess, some of them gonna clash.
Sometime the content is the co host arguing over something
not getting along. So I understood that, And I think
I think Joe and is a genius. I think at
one particular point.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
He didn't always have it figured out.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But he's so creative, you know. You know that from
his raps that when he figured it out, it worked.
That's why he make a million dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Joe always never. You know, one thing Glasses told me
when he was on tour with them. He was on
tour with slaughter House and Check nine right there was
on the road. He said, even back then, Joe had
his camera phone. He had like some kind of little phone,
like some kind of little advice. He was always recordings,
and you got to be careful because you could be
talking to your mama on the phone. He was gonna
be right with you, recording you, like he's on the

(26:34):
phone with his mama right now, you're talking about this
and that. So he never he never cared, man, and
even he even showed his own vulnerability. I think that's
what got him to where he's at. Like he's a
very honest person. He's probably one of the most honest
people around. To be honest with him, even.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
When he lying, he honest, you know, because honestly, it
is subjective to whoever is on the other side. He
was one of the first streamers. Did you know that
the first streamer? I'm not talking about you.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, for sure. He's a long time.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yep on you stream. He used to sit there playing
space and Reality TV is kind of based off, loosely
off of his life because he used to uh stream
himself and to hear he and we was uh uh
looking at t Heary because she was a Dominican chick
with a big ass. So he's like, yo, this girl. So,

(27:22):
like I said, with him, I got a lot of
respect for Joe Budden because I know him personally, but
if even know it, I didn't know him.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I understand what he did, why he did it.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Of course, Laurie is my brother. Like transcends podcasting, you know,
because me and Norri have had real life conversation and
it's rare that you can have real life conversations with
people you know.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And No is like the extreme of both of his nationalities.
He's like the niggas Puerto Rican.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Puerto Rican nigga. Yeah, yeah, like he's.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Really liking That's the thing about the home, you know
what I'm saying. He really he gonna be in the
drinking saying and he's gonna be doing this thing. He
gonna be talking shit.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I think the next podcast that's about to emerge as
one of the ones is of course Backfield. My brother's Heinneking,
and so I think they I think that they're going
to well, let's put it in this proper perspective, they're
already there. They're like an interview with too away, a
moment of two away for everybody saying this is it?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, And Heinegan like like.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I got.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Kay Brooklyn, you know what, man, that's what's from Queens though,
but Heinegen is from Brooklyn. I know Hainnegen for about
damn eleven years.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, we're doing this situation right. That's one of the
things me and Aight was talking about because we kind
of like we're kind of like jumping ahead and figuring
out how we go do stuff. That like just is
everything that we do. You know, when I do movies,
I'm leaving California. I can't do it no more. Bro
right right right, right right again, California thirty years, bro
thirty plus years. Time to go. It's time. The road

(29:01):
is too expensivebout it. And I'm tired of this ship,
you know, I'm tired of the traffic. I'm tired of
these fake ass people. I'm just tired of it, all right,
sign the road right, And that's not all Californias. California.
I got I met, so I became a man. I
got mess some cold dudes. I miss some real thorough
people out here, right. But I'm just when I talk
about funny people, I'm talking about that that side of it,

(29:21):
like the whole.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It's literally Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I'm not talking about they just you know, tell you
whatever to your face, right, and don't care about your
live right. I think it's time to go right, and
I can't wait to leave, man. But this new situation
were about to do, and it's gonna be for YouTube.

(29:46):
So y'all, I know we don't post enough videos on YouTube.
So my cats out there on YouTube, y'all about to
see a whole lot of us. We're about to actually something.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
When we don't post, sometimes it's not because we don't
have the content. It's because we're trying to get the
maximum monetization and the maximum viewership out of the country.
People believe sometimes that if you keep posting, you keep posting,
they're gonna come. That's not always true because in the
space that we're in sometimes sometimes we get buried. Perfect example,

(30:16):
I interview Charleston Waite to our interview.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
When I first put the interview out, you the.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Twenty five thousand isn't crazy? I was okay with that.
I'm like, twenty five thousand, that's cool. Charleston White started
blowing up. I said, Yo, hmmm, re take the interview
down and put it back up. I put it back up.
I did three hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
With the same interview. I've seen it before. It never fails.
I tell people when I hear people brag on their views. Right,
if you're doing something consistently and you're getting a half
million a million views, that you're doing it right. But
if you're getting if you're doing twenty five three thousand views, right,
which is good, people, you know to sleep on that.

(31:03):
I think everybody has a tendency look at the big number. Right.
If you're doing ten twenty twenty five thousand views, that's
about for where we at. That's about normal, right, that's
you know, normal thing. And if you have some stuff
on there, if you put the little click bait and
you know you do everything right, you'll get one hundred
thousand right, Because that's our videos have always been they've
always been like, okay, first week twenty five thousand, then

(31:23):
next thing, you know, they have to one hundred hundred
and fifty. Right. But then if you put a video
out and it gets to monetized, it doesn't get suggested
to as many people. Right. So if I went on there,
if me and you was on here cussing each other
out right now and we put the caption doggy dimes
and still go at it Doggy threatened steals life, you.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can't come to Brooklyn ever.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, it's gonna get so many people tapping on their right,
tapping on their right, and the more people to come
and look at it, the more YouTube is going to
suggest that video, right, So it's gonna mess around and
have its appearance. So you have some of these people
who really scumbags, who get cool views and they base
their whole content around slandering motherfuckers, right, and they get

(32:03):
fused and they think they have talent. No, you're not talented.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
People just like bullshit, right, that's true.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
People just like bullshit. I guarantee that, you.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Know, people like bullshit sometimes because sometimes you find yourself
clicking the bullshit. If they got to guarantee you and
a good thumbnail. You're just like, let me see what
this is about, and then it be clickbait.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I guarantee you if someone made a channel talking about
eating their boogers and they was gonna eat book, it
would be the biggest thing on YouTube, bro, because people
want to look people look at it. The biggest videos
on YouTube are actually pimple pop.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Pimple pop. You know, ask me how I know? Member me,
me and you have had conversations.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Man looking at it and you be like, what the hell,
and then you get remember a rabbit hole, Bro, you
don't watch seventeen eighteen in the row.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I know all the channels. I know all the Asian
channels who do it. I know doctor pimple Popper, I
know everybody. I know about a lot of pomer dilated
pul wana. I know every type of pimple from from that.
But see now this is the reverse. It's something that
means you said to me the other day, you said, yo,

(33:07):
I don't got time to be sitting around doing stuff
because I be putting time into stuff that's not beneficial
to me. You said this to me last week, and
instead of me watching the pimple pop video. I just
download Adobe Premiere, so now watching Adobe Premiere twotorials. I'm
watching Adobe or addition totorials because me, I'm always looking

(33:29):
for ways to enhance the product and enhance what I'm doing.
So I say, yo, if I'm gonna spend four hours
a week watching Pimple Pop, I probably only could give
it an hour and give that three to something to
go back.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I's nothing wrong with like feeding of certain fight
as long as you ain't gonna dope or nothing like that.
Ain't Because I'm gonna tell you, I'm a big sci
fi fan. I don't know if you see, I got
all this stuff wrong, y' all. I got like pictures
like superheroes. Man, it's worth like ten fifteen thousand dollars,
and I might have bought some worth twenty years ago. Dog,
and it's worth this much money now, right. I collect

(34:03):
all that stuff, right. So the thing is right, you
have to put your time and the stuff. Remember I
told you, and I was talking. I've been on that
for the last year, man, because you know, I don't
lost all this weight, so I've been really about like
my mental health, man. And the thing is what people
don't understand me. And eight gonna be straight. If we
never released a YouTube video, we don't need YouTube, right,

(34:26):
YouTube is ancillary for us, you know what I'm saying.
We can just put our audio out and we cool
right right right right, put it out and our biggest audience,
to be honest with you, like what we need to
be doing is on Facebook more because we got videos
that just go crazy on there. You fee what I'm saying.
And it's like I been probably and I thought about it.
I said, we official the ogs. Now that's probably why
we do good on there. A Facebook is we're all
old people, is that, you know. But but I made

(34:49):
it through my mind. And when I did that, bro,
I was able to start going to the gym again.
I'm a gym rat now I go to gym. Man.
You know, I was back arming three fifteen other night attack,
I'm like this and I went up and I was like, man,
I said, I got my strength back. I'm back to
being you know. You know, I'm now forty four in
the ways, and I realized that I can eat what

(35:11):
I want to. I just eat it at home. Now
if I want a burger, I either go to a
place that's really gourmet and boutique, or I make it
at home. I can make my MoMA's. Man, I make
bomb smash burgers. You know what I'm saying. I make
bomb smash burgers. Man, And I eat my own food
at home. But the thing is, I work out every day.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right right right right?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You got.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Working out is more for your mind than it is
for your body.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh yeah, because I'm gonna tell you. You know, it's
funny about people. People think in negative space. Right. I
put a post up about my blood pressure. I put
the blood pressure. Nobody ever looked to say, what my
you know, my diastolic was and all that stuff right
in my systolic right, my blood pressure, man, is a
one o seven over ninety. That's like a seventeen year

(35:53):
old or something. Bro. And I'm on my fifty right,
Nobody took the time to look at it. Was all, Man,
I hope everything is good. Man. I was Charlotte hit me.
He was like, man, you cool, And I was like, Man,
I'm good. I'm I'm writing a celebratory picture. Man. I'm like, no,
ain't nothing wrong with me, right, I'm actually man. Sometimes
me and my wife would go hiking, man, and we
and It's like my wife is in shape. Down, My

(36:14):
wife is in shape. My wife a beast, woo it.
She goes hiking and stuff. Her and my oldest son
do all that extreme stuff, right, No, mommy climbing and
all that stuff. They scared the shit out of me, right,
But I can hit that man and go do two
miles dog, and I'm cool. Before man, I got what
I was. I got tired of breathing hard. Man, I
got tired of being fat. That you've been over your

(36:36):
butt hanging out and I got my six back again.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
You're asthmatic as well, right.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, I'm asthmatic. And you know what, bro, I'm gonna
tell you this. Since I have lost weight, I have
had no problems with my breathing, and my briefing was
pretty much under control then because you know, I don't
really do no smoking and all that other stuff. I
don't do nothing of that. I don't drink, so I've
always been conscious of that. And I tell people, man,
start managing your time, because when you could it. I'm
gonna tell all the cats out there. If we got

(37:02):
some young people listening to this show right now, I'm
gonna give you all the jew start limiting. Start limiting
social media, your social media interactions to no more than
an hour a week. Start putting more free time that
you have instead of watching TV and stuff. Find you
a hustle. If you don't have nothing to do at home,
you can just home, land in the bed, go do

(37:23):
uber reeds or something, right, go do something to go do. Man,
there's so many ways to make a bag and just
instead of just sitting down like this, bro. You know
the funniest thing ever, I ain't gonna tell nobody where
I work. Actuse people trolls right right right. You know,
I've always had a job where I made one hundred
and fifty twenty thousand dollars here, I've always had I'm
a college scratch, but I'm not no dummy, So don't

(37:44):
ever get a twisted I'm not.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
When I first met you, you had you had a
good job, and you was able to take some time
off from me and then go back to work.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah I cannot. I could do that. And I'm still
in that same you know space. Right. So the thing is,
I tell people. And the first thing when we got
our deal, somebody asked, you, man, why you still do this?
Dow that and you got the money, I said, Man,
because I like having nice stuff and because one of
those things could falter at one time. So I'm not
one of those guys that's the victim and held hostage

(38:13):
by something.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's why I can say and do it stuff as
I want to right now saying I don't fulfill my
contract obligations to do what I'm supposed to do. Right,
But people can't talk to me any kind of way,
People can't play with me any kind of way, because
I got four or five different sources of income. Bro,
And my wife is retiring early because of the stuff
I do. She's gonna be she gonna be retired early

(38:36):
this summer. We're going to go buy our dream house
this summer. Like like I've always been sacrificed. And I'm
gonna tell you something. My mortgage on the house I'm
me and now, Bro, it's only twelve hundred dollars a month.
You know why, because we've always put extra money towards
paying the principal down. Just boom boom boom. I get
some money, man, throw that towards it, you know what
I mean? And people don't. People waste too much time

(38:58):
bullshiting you know, peopould rather sit at home man, and
watch other dudes that's making money off of you. They
sit there and look at that and look at it
like gospel bro. And those people you're looking at their ricks,
they doing something, they live and they dreaming You over
there looking like and talking shit about them. Sometimes I
have people sometimes lead me, and it's not a lot.
But you get a couple of people, no matter how

(39:18):
many times you block them, they always come back right.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
They always find a way.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
They sitting over there talking about you and how much
they hate you, but they are voting fifteen hours a
week to hate me. They going on different platforms trying
to find you. And I'll be wondering sometimes, man, do
these people have a secret infactuation or something?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Of course they see My thing is this, though, Like
I'm gonna be real with you. A lot of times
I see stuff. I can't really name too many rappers
that I really like, whether I know them personally or not,
just because I know you don't mean I like your music.
I might like you, but your music might suck ass
to me. But you're just a good dude, you know.
So I rock with you still, and I think a

(39:58):
lot of times think people thinking because we're friends, I
gotta like your music, just you might not prefer to
watch my show or like what I'm into, but we
still cool. And that's when I don't like something, I
just scroll past it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I don't really dedicate my time into saying what I
don't like, because that's neglecting what I do like. You
know saying And that's what.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm saying, because you can have a number of people,
and that's why I don't. I used to tell people, right,
they'll spend this one time arguing with a troll, but
they don't have twenty people that might have told them
and gave them props. You ignoring them, but you're going
after the people. It's negative. It's like, that's the first
I know what I block people. Bro. I don't have
time because.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I blocked people all day.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
The thing is this, bro, if you sit up and
entertain stuff, right, I'm really guarded when it comes to
my space. Man, I don't let low vibrational stuff into
my end of my frequency. You feel what I'm saying.
People that are on that low vibrational frequency, bro, I
don't give them a chance because when people do that
they're cursing you. People sit up and you sit up
there and listen to them degrades you. I don't care

(41:03):
who you is. Evincial. You just wear down and you
can get to wondering where these people at, and you're
gonna start wondering. Like I remember one day I was
telling the homie and it's one of that ge homies.
He was spending all this time and he had to
do find out where it's that. I heard that you
could find their IP address. I said, bro, why are
you trying to find this climb? Because when you do
find him, it's not gonna be who you think he is.
It's gonna be somebody that's like, are you gonna look

(41:25):
at like, man, you're the one doing all that right.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And sometimes look, they know the jogging, they know the
troll like I'll be having people and this and this
happens to us in this space. When you come into
this culture, when you have former co hosts, you have
former partners, you have former girlfriends, whoever you previously dealt with,
people believe for some reason that they control you with

(41:50):
the person that you used to be around. Listen, anybody
who I used to be around, I don't wish bad
for them. I don't wish them well neither. I don't
think about them. And I'll be saying to some people, damn.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
You think more about this person than I do.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Like I wonder. I'm gonna tell you know who I'm
talking about too. I was in the Ruber Dog. I'm
in the Ruber Dog. I'm enjoying myself, my phone ringing.
It's a dude I'm cool with, right, and we cool.
I ain't gonna say we necessarily just like you know,
like that, but we cool. Right. He called me about
three times and I said, you know what, let me
see what's going on. I said, Yo, what's happening. Brought

(42:26):
out the country. What's happening? Oh man, I just wanted
to send you this video. Man of this dude is talking.
I said, bro, that video like five months old. Dog.
I said, let me ask you something. Why are you
so comfortable Washington nigga talk about me every time we talk?
You telling me about who's talking about me? Right? Did
you getting the niggas?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Ask yo? I had to do. And I put up
with posters. I had a dude say to me, Yo,
they was going in on you in the comments and
I'm like, so you think that that's funny because it's
it's times when people say something about you. You see,
I be ready to crash out, and you be like, yo,
don't even worry about I'm like, nah, I'm making a

(43:06):
video because when it's somebody that I love and that's
my comrade, my partner, my brother, and you talking about them,
I feel like you're talking about me. I don't take
too calmly to that.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
And you know why, I tell you, though, you don't
worry about it, because those people that do that stuff.
I'm gonna tell you something, man. I was learned to
pray for my enemies, right because I know what it is.
They're miserable, right, I pray for them to seriously, because
you know what it's. God says, let vengeance be mine. Right.

(43:41):
I pray for people and I say, you know what, Father,
help him find you so he can find peace within himself. Right,
Because some people are so miserable that that's all they do.
That's what they attract, right, So they sit around all
they don't have nothing to do. Some of these people's
health ain't the greatest, right, so they sit around all
they man, they just look for stuff, to find and

(44:03):
if they find something, they'll see this video on thing
somebody talking about them and you be talking about the
whole different person, right. But they go find and they
gonna make a whole thing, and that's their thing. And
the sad part about it, though, Bro, these aren't twenty
three and twenty four year old people. I'm talking about
people that are older than us. I'm old and these people,
these are people that probably got grandchildren that got this.

(44:26):
And some of this, a lot of this is mental
illness too, right, because I've seen guys. I saw this
one clown something about he tied me up or whatever.
I thought it was funny. Hit me. We're not gonna
say his name because we're not giving up no advertising.
They don't pay no, they don't pay no advertising fees
over here, so they can't afford to get that.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Out that particular dude. And I'm gonna say this, dude,
be on mine. I don't know what that's all about. Dude,
just be on my every time he says something about you.
He mentioned my name like I had, like I was
your boss and all this, and I'm like, yo, what
do this dude be talking like?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And he got you know, what's so cold? You know
how people be so dumb and they think they figured
some stuff out. You just be looking at him like
you dumb dickhead. Yep, yep, yeah, I'm gonna have you
meet me out next time.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
You know what I'm saying. But in front of me,
I should have got it for free because I'd be advertising.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
But yeah, so you look at this dude like you idiot,
you just got it all just like you just gotta
let him do it because what it is, he keeps
pulling you into it because you have a big platform
and he wants to engage, and people engage in raw rah.
He wants people to go back.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And bastard like, like, let me tell you something. I
could look at certain people face and just say he
just does not like his life. When let me say
you something real quick. When I go outside, I got
that far and out there. I got this beautiful crib,

(45:58):
I got this nice let the reclining sofa, this big
ass television that I could just sit back and just
chill out. I could go cook me something nice. I
could go sit out on my balcony, go get my
big ass tug. I literally come from nothing exactly when
I come from nothing so hard that I didn't even

(46:19):
know that.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I didn't have nothing, because that's what it was used to.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I remember going to my friend's house and he had
a pop talk and I was like, what is that like?
A pop talk? And I'm like, well, what is a
pop talk?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
You eat it? I never saw a pop talk before.
Right now, where I look at myself at this age,
I'm not a failure because everything is right on schedule
with my life.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Let me, let me go ahead.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's a real though, bro. You know why I don't
pay no attention nexts. First of all, it's a lot somebody. Yeah,
I'm serious. For anybody out there that's the longe beasts,
go ask about me. I'm not no salt ass dude.
I'm not no like. I don't know why people think
they could play with me or whatever. Right, I handle mind.
But this dude is about sixty years old, right, he

(47:10):
is going to be homeless because I'm gonna tell you
why he has nothing. So he thinks that this is
that little two or three thousand dollars he may make
from YouTube for talking about people every month, that's all
he's going to achieve. Right, And when that's over with
right there. What else does he have? I'm pretty sure
he don't have no four oh one k nowhere. I'm
pretty sure he don't have no money saved up nowhere.

(47:31):
I'm pretty sure the house he's in he don't have
no equity because he's rent it from somebody. He probably
got a girl that's on sex native son, right, so
he has nothing. I don't have to deal with him.
I never had to say nothing to hurt him, because
life is gonna hurt him in the next few years.
I guarantee you, if I come back to LA to visit,
I'm gonna probably see that dude on sitting on the
side of a fence, and I hope I'm wrong, but

(47:54):
he's it's too late for him, especially he's.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm mature, yeah, but still is more mature to me.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Especially if he wasted his time talking about me, like
half these people I see that be talking shit. Dog,
I'll be like, that's cool, dog that said you know whatever, Yeah,
you know whatever, because the thing is for one You
look at him and it's kind of comical, right, It's
just kind of calm because you hear the stuff and
I say, man, I can't even lie that good, bro.
I can't just sit there and say, man, I saw

(48:22):
Doggy last night and I smacked his glasses off his face.
And this this girl was there. She tried to run.
I hit her in the head with a man Nase.
You know all this ridiculous stuff. I'm like, these people
really got mental problems.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Bro. Let me tell you my funny story. So one
time I had an incident with a fellow podcast that
you know, I wasn't looking for. I was hunting. I
heard that somebody that he was dealing with had an
establishment in Brooklyn, So that sound good in my neighborhood.
As I went to the establishment, I was on my

(48:57):
pedal bike, had that and that sack on my back,
so all I'm gonna say, I had a knapsack. As
I went to the establishment, I saw an individual there.
The individual was familiar to me because they were a
rapper back in the days, and I know who they
was from Brooklyn as well. So as I went up,

(49:20):
I rolled past, and I doubled back and I went
right up to do like, yo, where that nigga such
and such at? And he was like, Yo, that nigga
in here, yo, what's up with him? And I proceeded
to tell him, Yo, when I catch him, I'm gonna
kick him in his ass. And he was like, yeah,
fuck that nigga.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
He gave me some jewels because he was like, yo, man,
if you doing the podcasting, immediate thing, f them.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, do your thing
and all that.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
We exchanged numbers every couple of months. I was checking, yo, bro,
you good? How you am good? One day he proceeded
to hit me and said, Yo, I got this book
that I'm right, and could you help me promote. I said, well,
just give me a summation of what it's about, because
I don't. You can't just give me a title and say, yo,

(50:09):
go look at this book. I say, give me some
maation what it's about, you know, even the back cover
of the book, and I'll just take that and run
with it. All right, cool, still checking up on dude,
you know what I'm saying, Just on some Brooklyn love shit.
Fast forward, I interview another individual. The other individual wanted
to talk about him, but he did speak. He wanted

(50:29):
to speak about him positive and I had to let
him know, Yo, home me my man, So don't say
anything about him negative, just like I wouldn't let him
say nothing negative about you. He didn't. He said something
positive about him, something like oh this is this is
dope because it's at the moment, although said person disrespected
him Instagram dude. So I text him, Yo, heads up

(50:52):
and if you listen to me, you pussy. You know
I'm talking about you. I said, heads up, I interview
up and such, and he said it was all good.
He called my phone, Oh you don't even know. I'm like, Yo,
what are you getting mad at? Like it was all good? Yeah,
but you know you the last time I asked you

(51:15):
to help me, you said send you stuff. You see.
I didn't use you. I didn't want your help no
more and all that shit. So I'm like, if this
is what this is about, you were mad because I
didn't help you with your book or whatever the case
may be.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So he's like, I'm out and he hung up. I'm
like this Nigga's weird.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
That's the over emotional stuff. I'm not. That's emotional man.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And he text me and say, and I better not
hear my name in no podcasts.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
First of all, cut it out.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
The performance is good for those who believe the performance.
Then I go on the gram and I see our
text exchange on the ground. I said, oh, the nigga
did it for the ground. Now, this nigga probably gotta
be fifty seven fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
He did it for the GRAMD. Then I do an
interview with jean Deal. Shout out to Gene Deal.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
He takes the clip and says he has this caption
about what Jeanie said. Then he says, let me tell
you about this other kid. This is how insane niggas are.
Mental illness is real. Let me show you about the
other kid. This nigga rolled up on me on the
pedal bike. I pulled that thing out on him and
was like, Yo, don't be rolling up on me. My

(52:42):
cousin called me laughing. He was like, damn you letting you,
letting niggas pull out guns on you and shit like that.
He laughing, because you know it never happened. You're gonna
saying what I'm saying. But I'm like, damn this nigga.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
That's why you an author, because you make up fabulous stories.
You make up grace, so nothing like that have ever happened.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Still promise you in my life, no man who has
ever pulled out a gun on me is alive for
one for two, that shit never happened. But I realized me,
I don't I don't really look at the people who
say dumb shit. I look at the audience, because I
always say, who's worse, the clown or the audience. There

(53:20):
would be no clown if he didn't have an audience.
He would just be out there, black ass by himself,
and he would eventually stop because nobody's clapping. Mante one
person clap, you feel validated. So that let me. That
let me know.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
And then he wrote all this stuff about me then
blocked me, so.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I couldn't even knew what bro.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, I couldn't even rebut and say, Yo, you're a
lion ass bitch.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You know who? That remind me of dog? And I'm
gonna say these niggas names, fuck these niggas, man wisdom,
little hip hop unsensored, that one old uh, that one
peanut head nigga, the one look choy niggas. What was
the hip hop unsensored? Right? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I thought we got cool with them.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
A man, you know, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm
gonna tell you what they did. Bro, No, we never
got cool. I'm gonna tell you what they did. You
remember when that whole stuff happened with him a layer
and the dude was up there stealing the ad revenue,
and they did the whole magazine article about it. Right,
we got ripped off, Yeah, we got you know, they
did a magazine. Did you ever see that magazine. That's

(54:22):
a big magazine. I'm gonna look for it. Right. And
then it was notorious, It was the dude notorious. He
robbed the Himalaya people too, because he really took they
properly and took over the company and stuff, right, yeah,
because they were squatting at the mansion. Right, Yeah, he
was squatting at the mansion. What it was he was
tasked with running the US office, you know him Malaya was.

(54:43):
To give people some context, Himalaya was a company we
had did a deal with Digital Soapbox. They had put
us in these content studios. They got this mansion in
Beverly Hills and had his taping out of there. Right.
It was tight, Right, it was tight. And they had
a whole ad sales team. So we was busting the
gang of ad revenue.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Right right, And I brought all.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
The shows in, dog. I didn't just include me and
your stuff. I brought all kind of people in that right.
So the dude he wound up stealing a bunch of money.
These particular people, they was like because they had some
more bread coming for a reason. They was like, well, man,
it's always something we go go on. And I said,
you know what, man, I don't have nothing to steal

(55:22):
from you all. I went ahead and pay them dudes,
even if I even though I didn't never get the money,
I paid them right. And so they didn't know how
to switch the audio out right. So they was like
they was making videos talking about like they ran from
the machine, we escaped from digital soapboxing and this and that. Man,
I do never have y'all bum ass niggas no fucking wear,
and I swear I don't get too mad at people, man,

(55:44):
but them dudes was just so sensational. And then they
went to try to interview all the niggas that they
thought had smoked with me and then had the nerve
to send glasses interview requests.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
You know, I never knew none of.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
This, I swear, brocaus I don't talk about it. I
swear I don't even pay attention to them dudes. Now,
I'm gonna tell you the little short fat dude, I
really I don't even remember his name. I really didn't
have no issue with him, but it was his cousin
because he was just an overly emotional last nigga. You
know what I'm talking about. Just always everything with him

(56:16):
was just really like, oh, like somebody was like, first
of all, y'all wasn't doing no hell of the shit
like like me and you always had the biggest numbers
on the network with audio stuff facts. You feel what
I'm saying. They were doing cool, but it was like, man,
nobody is stealing from you. I've never had to take
nothing from nobody, Bro. If anything, I've overpaid people and

(56:37):
they got comfortable in the situations and they started becoming entitle.
That's what that is, people becoming title. That's why now, Bro,
I'm very guarded with my space. People ask me, man, yo,
can you here? No, I don't have time for that shit.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
You too, You'll never work with math five. I told
you you.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Know you man, But you know what all these dudes
you told me about. I wanted to give him a chance. Dude,
cut the rape charge. We still mess with him. They've
talked about the rape charge and stuff like that. We
still mess with him. You told me, man, I'm gonna
tell you that dude called me at five o'clock in
the morning one time, like, Yo, man win him, Michael,

(57:15):
get my release, man, And I said, Man, check this out. Technically,
I don't have to release you from nothing, right, I said,
But I'm gonna give to you. Don't call my line No.
Four or five.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I told the audience. I said, Yo, we signed this dude.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
He had a lot of a lot of smut on
his name, and we still was trying to work with
him because I asked him as a man, yo, Bro.
And I don't even want to say as a man,
but I meant to say, man, the man, bro, if
you innocent, I'm gonna ride with you. We're gonna gamble
on this.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
If you had any.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Inkling that it could have not you did it, but
it could be perceived, we're gonna step off.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
We rolled with him, I told you, I said, Yo.
Still he's very temperamental, very emotional, and he don't do
good business. You're like, Yo, but we could do his audio.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
He gave you one show.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Advertise, what's up with the read? My live read?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm like, yo, you don't. You don't know how this worked? No,
Still said, I did seventeen thousand downloads. I said, Still
was making a deck for you. Of course in the beginning.
Unfortunately with some people, you had twenty five downloads.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, I'm I'm trying to seal your show.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, yeah, right, right, right right.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Because I knew he had everything he's doing now. I
knew he had the potential to do it, but he
was just temperamental dog. And it's like, the thing is,
it's like, man, you know what, I don't even have
no beef with him, man, but he was just I'm
gonna tell you what I can't do. I can't do
these emotional dudes, these emotional men. Man, it's the silliest
thing in the world to me because it's almost like

(58:52):
it's mind wrecking. Man. It's like, dudes, you had twenty
five downloads and you call me your show been there
for a week, and you're talking about you want live reads.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
It's like, come on, bro, right, probably Still don't get
lib reies.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Come on, bro, you know what, he's ad a hell
of a show. You know what, I'm on.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
YouTube now on YouTube, he's had a hell of a run.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But again, with that run had to been what it
is if we had held him to a standard because
he owed us fifty two shows. He owed us fifty
two shows, gave us one no metadata, no title, no description,
just here here goes some audio, and I'm like, bro,
that's not how you do that. So I was trying

(59:30):
to navigate him through the space of audio because everybody
at that particular time is going on YouTube and saying
I got a podcast of was like, no, you don't
you have a YouTube show. Let us take the audio
from the YouTube and put it on an aggregator to
put it somewhere. And you know, the only reason why
we're bringing some of these things up because first of all,

(59:53):
me and still, like I said, I have been partners
for a long time and we never had an argument.
I think, you know, we might not. I think one
time you you wanted me to make a list before me,
It's like, YO, make a list. I'm like, y'all, I'm
not making no lists. So even another anyway I might
even gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It wasn't the arguments.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, but I'm just saying people always want me to
make a list, right, and I don't. I don't be
wanting to make no lists. I always get damned. You'll
make a list, make a list.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I think you with a list. You know, we gotta
start doing We need to make a list for the site. Man.
By the way, go visit out, go visit Digital soap
box Media dot com. H we about to start doing
some really dope stuff on that. Man. We know it's
so many dope situations happening. We would have our own
I don't go say our own YouTube YouTube is big.
I wish we did have her own YouTube. That would
be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But still, if you want to get you the intern,
how could they how could they hit you up?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Man? Hit me up? Man, hit me up? Steal five
six two weeks, email dot com my personal thing. Don't
send me no troll stuff is I know how to block.
I got filters on my stuff. This is gonna go
straight to this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And I'm info. I'm info Doggie Diamond's TV. If you
want to, because we do good help is hard to find.
Good help is always good when you know your role
as a helper. You're not the boss, You're not the
shock caller. Ideas are great. But one thing that I

(01:01:20):
find that a lot of people don't know how to
do when they come into a space of helping. You
don't know how to follow instructions. Yeah, you don't know
how to follow instructions. I haven't been in the culture
for nineteen years because I don't know what I'm doing.
And I done went from analog to digital. I went
from actual DVD to the internet, websites, all of that,

(01:01:44):
you know, so I kind of know what I'm doing.
You know what I'm saying. I think I know what
I'm doing, and I think I could really help because
if you really think about it, a lot of people
come from my tree. You understand what I'm saying. Why
don't you? And and while I'm on here, let me
let me this is on the Gangster Chronicles speaking a

(01:02:05):
gangster ship. I actually had a conversation with San Campbell
the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Who so, cam You know what, man, I ain't never
had no issues with his son.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, but see, but to see this is how real
it is. Although me and him had an issue, I
never drug you into that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You know, because anybody got an issue with you, You my partner,
so right, but he's never like he just ain't never
came at me about no shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
You know, I've never been like still because we don't
do that. Yo, you gotta hate him too and all that.
But I mean a lot of times if you go
and still you go at me. But on we had
a decent conversation the other day. We had a conversation.
And I don't I don't unless I speak to him
and he wants to put out what we spoke about
was inhing crazy. I won't do that because I'm not.

(01:02:57):
I don't really tell behind the scenes stuff. But let's
just say that we had a conversation and we was
able to come to an agreement and an understanding of
something that in this space that we're in when we
go and we do some of the things that we
do to one another. And this is how I wanted
to end is because we went through the rigmarole with

(01:03:19):
these dudes that we had an issue with. Nobody won
in that situation with me and him me, we snapped
on each other. He got demonetized, I got demonetized. We
lost the asshole full of money. He was demonetized for
twelve months. I was demonetized for six Not even.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Y'all got demonotized like that because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
No, not because of our argument, but but just the
energy that we had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah, that's about to tell you when you went, when
you bring that, it all comes in like in bad steps.
Start help. That's why I don't entertain it, bro, because
it ain't worth it. It's like somebody who won, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Still, I told her say, Yo, step, I think I lost.
Came man, I lost, I lost the grip, you know
what I'm saying. And I can imagine that how much
you lost?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
You lost, you lost a hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
And I can imagine how much he lost because he
was on fire at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
So right, and as we're truth tellers, you know it's
not favorable, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Not popular, and we already got people gunning to report
your channel, got people gunning to say you're doing this
and doing that right, and then we do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
We go at each other, and we got these big platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
So I got the power to motivate some people to
go at him just like him. With me, nobody wants
And let me say one thing before before I get off.
That the reason why I thought it was important to
speak to him and have a conversation with him, because

(01:04:57):
my main Hocus four fifth, got a challenge right now
to drop your flag. Challenge for all the New York
gang bangers. If you want to get out of the gang,
just leave, bro, the gang gotta understand you want to leave.
And at the time of peace, Hocus is my brother.
Hocus fuck with her song too. So I didn't want
dudes to be in the middle or feel like they
got to pick and choose or I spoke to him,

(01:05:19):
but I don't like that, you know what I'm saying.
So sometimes if it's a middle man, our dad issues
sold my bro, don't feel uncomfortable. But go ahead, still,
who is you know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
This is what I want to say. Man, contributing to
negative energy leads nowhere. Right. If somebody is talking about
you were saying, whatever, this is my thing. Somebody put
their hands on me or attempt to put their hands
on me, or cause harm to somebody in my family
or something like that, that's a whole different thing. I'm

(01:05:52):
gonna bring it to you. But all of that and
behind the computer, man, I don't have time for that. Man,
knock yourself out, because y'all you're doing is advertising for me, right,
that's I look at that. It's just you, a Street
Team member. You're promoting. You know what I'm saying, Keep
on promoting, keep on doing my big keeping doing my
bid And I'm glad, y'all. I live rent free and

(01:06:12):
all y'all here is like that the job. I feel like, y'all,
you've got to talk about me all the time. I
love it, you know, but man, I appreciate you coming on. Man, y'all.
Make sure man, y'all go to the Homeboys channel. Man.
Doggy Diamonds TV over there. Lit and filter is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
The audio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music. It's everywhere,
just putting in Doggy Diamonds no filter. But it's also
embedded in my sight as well. I've been trying to
get still to come over to this platform.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
No man, I'm messing with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
You know what we need to do though, that's not
the last show I did. This is the last show
I did. And you see it's embedded in the show
so they could listen right from the show. This is
all the YouTube videos that go up. It automatically imports
and this is the audio. You know what I'm saying.
It goes on the site. This is doggye Diamonds TV
dot com and I'm gonna start putting more blogs up,

(01:07:04):
so subscribe to the email email list.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Did I did? I just uh go out?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
He said, slip broadcast on the dude camera out, But
I thought he was showing me something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
No, no, no, yeah, it actually froze on me. It froze,
so yeah, they can hear me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Us to go anyway. Man, I love your dog. We
don't man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Next week, yes sir. Peace Until next time, y'all,