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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cast the Chronic Goals. This is not your average shows.
You're now tuned into the rail MC.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Eight, Big Stales, the Streets.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to the gangst The Chronicles podcast, the production of
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(00:38):
the coolest podcast deals.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
My guy, my my partner, man, but my business partners?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
How many years have.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Been on Brouke damn? Mike will be in twenty five at.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Least eight years almost I was twenty sixth bro Yeah
yeah eight years.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's been like eight years. We met in like sixteen, Yeah,
like sixteen year. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
That was crazy, man. All this stuff don't happen now.
I remember when I first hit you up?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You up?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, man, I know you're probably on a big network
or something, man, but I'm starting this network up digital soapbox.
Who would have known? Man? Would you know? It was
probably the first all black podcast network.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right, and yeah, And you know what's funny because when
you hit me up, I was shocked.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
That somebody hit me because nobody wasn't hit me. But
I learned so.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Much since then to now still look like what we
go through and I learning phases, Like there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Of stuff that we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Even when we started in this podcast thing, we thought
we could just jump in sign some shows and do
all that.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Now we learned it wasn't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Don't work, man, don't work, keep on right right right.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
A lot of people it just didn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Charleston white Boston white Man.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, you know what, man. The thing about Charleston white
Man is actually he was probably man most professional out
of everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh my god, Charleston was see I don't want to
say what Charleston do was an act, but he knows
how to get the crowd.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
But Charleston is very very pleasant, very very.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Creative, and very very professional. He's very very professional. Let's
talk about that though.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, you know what the thing is with Charleston man,
he's probably the most misunderstood dude online because what I
realize is people are dumb. Charles sense like intellect goes
over a lot of people's head because people get caught
up in their emotions. Right, if you listen to probably
eighty percent of the stuff he's saying, it's satire, right,

(02:40):
it's satire. He's actually a genius. He's a very smart dude,
you know what I mean. And the thing that people
don't know, man, is he with all the smoke. Yes,
So if you think that you just go come and
do something to him, he's with all the smoke. All
that is not a act. He's very much with the smoke.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I respect Charleston because he's speaking what he deemed to
be his truth jealously, effortlessly, and articulate.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
See, it's different when you were smart troll.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
When you're an intelligent troll, you actually always gonna win
because what you do is you promote provoke.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
The emotions of the people, and you know people going
to be.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Very emotional, so you know what to stay that's gonna
get them clicks, likes, and views. Charleston gave me a
dope interview as well as he gave you a dope interview.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I just think.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Politically we couldn't really Charleston was too ahead of his
time or what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Where we knew the culture. We didn't think it was
gonna go like this.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
We didn't think trolling was gonna be in now it's
a regular degular thing. But Charleston was ahead of his
time because if I, if I don't got no filter,
he didn't have nothing like he's.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Gonna tell you this about Charleston, this would it really
was for me in order for me to in order
for us to promote somebody like Charleston and keep him,
they kind of just keep him, letting him do his
thing without depending on no sponsors or nothing. We would
have had been we'd had to have a couple hundred
thousand dollars bro just able to sustain him without going

(04:12):
to go get no advertisement and kind of just let
his bring him scale to the point where it didn't
matter what he's saying, right, And I was glad to
mess with because he's a very polarizing dude.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Like people.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
They think they don't like him, but they like that's
the reason why they keep listening to absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And what I would want the audience to know is
that even for myself, even for the gainst the chronicles,
we had ran into some things with advertising.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
We as with one company, they was like, yo.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Y'all get in the download, y'all get in the streams.
We don't know how to get the sponsors because some
people was afraid of against the chronicles so automatically when
they see the gangster. They was like, some people was
afraid of Doggie Diamonds no filter because when they think
no filter's going to be no filter and I'm liable
to say anything. That was early on as well too,

(05:02):
so we went through some trials and tribulation in this
podcast game. You just got to get with the right
people that say, yo, I see the vision, I know
the vision, and this is what I want to do.
And respectfully, it has to be people from your culture
sometimes because they can understand the culture better. When you
have people that's not from your culture and you're trying

(05:24):
to do business with them, they they'll see the metrics, they'll.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
See the analytics, and they know how to work with that.
But then they don't know who to sell you to
and still.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Very racist business. But I want to tell I know,
I know you wasn't see it. I ain't gonna dance
around it. Shout out to the Black effect Man, Shout
out to Charlotte man.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Shout out to Dolly Yeat the prayers, Dolly Bishop.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Man.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I love them, man, because they let us do us right. Man.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now, the thing is, you can't lose the sponsors. Fortunately
we have lost these sponsorships, right. But you say the
wrong thing, you know. I know last lost Coca Cola
the first night he did a podcast, and he didn't
really say nothing the first night he did his podcast. Man,
the first time he did he lost Coca Cola. Dog
was a sponsor. That's a big sponsor.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, And I don't think a lot of people. I'm
gonna put some stuff out there, man with me. I
have been doing this, I would say, Man, we have
been doing it professionally for a long time. Bro, you
was doing it before I was. I would say, when
when did you kick off?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Two thousand and six?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Two thousand and six? Right, doing all of this.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Since two thousand and six official podcasts two Dog fifteen.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
But you know I was podcasting before it was called.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
A podcast exactly. So I think for me, yeah, exactly.
And I think I might have came in. Man, we
kicked third thing off maybe twenty seventeen. But I was
trying to do a podcast on glasses. Before that, we
had a podcast called The Mind of Malone. Man Last,
of course, was the biggest flake in the world. Man
I would show up, we show up and take show

(07:00):
and he's like, I'll be there ten minutes because and
it be our Robbie sitting outside his apartment downtown.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Man, I said, you know this man, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And I remember, Man, I was doing something with Dash
for a minute, and I was gonna have an interview
with Big Pyche. You know, me and Big sych was
best friends rest and be my home boy Tyre's hinds.
At the time, Big Syche lived out on Rivers, which
is a little waist much for those in California, you know.
But Riverson, Man, that's like down ninety one Freeway, right,
he was staying up at the time. He was on

(07:29):
his way and I was coaching football. At the time,
I was coaching football. I was coaching my son's team,
and I was running over right, and so I called him.
I was trying to catch him before he left. I said, damn,
my whole psyching you know, a freeway and far down
I called him. I said, bro, let's just do it tomorrow.
And he said, man, shoot, cool I'm kind of feeling tired,
so it's cool, I can go home, right, So he
turned around. He wasn't that far down. He's probably like

(07:50):
ten minutes from his house, right. So the next day
I called him back to schedule. But this is something
I'm gonna show you about time, and this really taught
me a valuable lesson, right, because I'm gonna tell you
two stories.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So I called him back the next day and he
didn't picked you know, he didn't pick up right. It
sounded like his phone with this, you know. I just
go straight to the voicemail and it was full and
that isn't that That's not like psych Psyche was always
but he never got back to me. So it was
like he went by. Two days went by, three days
went by. I actually went out to his crib man

(08:22):
and like, knock on the part of seeing if, because
that's not like him, you feel what I'm saying, Like
he's always tuck up a dude to call back, like
especially me. Me and Psyche used to talk about every
day dog. So I went out by his crib man
just to check, and I hit the hommy forty block
up because he has some mutual pick on and I said, Bro,
where's Psyche And he said, Man, Psyche died. That really

(08:43):
stunned me, Man, and it messed me up because I
would have possibly been the last conversation he had for
the public anyway, Right, I was gonna really do something
to night, like I had it all planned. I told
him what we could talk about. I said, Bro, I
want to do it whole interview. And I don't want
to talk about Tubac. I don't don't talk about too,
but I want to talk to you about Big Site
right right, because me and him was friends. People don't know, Man,

(09:05):
Me and Big Sche traveled around the world to get
paying by and Angland a lot of dope places, right,
And he was just a friend.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's very rare that you meet people in this business
that become friends like he was like my brother.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Man. I really missed that dude because he was a
real cat.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
And I know for a fact, Man, that had I
kicked Gainst the Chronicles off, probably the site for show sure, right, right,
we'd have a whole different iteration, right, There would have
been a whole different incarnation of it. And the show
Man has done like despite all the stuff we got,
not look at people, man, And I've gotten the point.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Man, we're only even listening. I'm trying with the curse.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But I don't even listen to mother suckers no more
because they don't know what they're talking about that time.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's a lot of cap and it's a lot of
this information about podcasting, downloads, money, sponsorship, and actually even
what a podcast is. See recently, within the last two years,
YouTube has created a podcast tab where you can do
a video show and they will label it as a podcast,

(10:12):
and you could also take the RSS feed and put
it out there as a podcast. But prior to that,
a lot of dudes wasn't doing podcasts. They were doing
YouTube shows.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
They were doing YouTube shows. And that's what I would
tell people to see the thing yields. Believe me, man,
we got videos that said in the half a million
a million, anytime I want, don't get it twisted, anytime
I want, we want to snap on this motherfucker. We'd
all even up thottle videos because it's not our main thing.
We just kind of do it because you know, we
just do it.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Plus eight is coaching football now, right, he's coaching football.
You know, that's an interesting thing about eight, not to
veer off too much. Eight been rapping this aight. It's
been a professional musician since the age of seventeen, and
I had to remember that. So he never really got
to do the stuff the normal person gets to do,
like go play four football and basketball. So he's really

(11:02):
intensely into coaching you football. He loves those kids. I'm
gonna tell you a story about it. He probably never
said it when he did the Kendrick Lamar feature, right
when he did the good title track Good Kid, Mass City. Right,
he was on the title track for that album. Right,
that was originally the video that Kendrick wanted to shoot.
He wanted to shoot a video for that song. You
know why he didn't do it. He called Eight twice.

(11:23):
He said, I see out of this playoff bracket, go workout, Right,
He had his sons Super Bowl game. That's why he
didn't go do the video. Hendrick called him a couple
of times to go do a video, and he had
football games both. So that shows you where his head
is at. Eight is very like he's very focused on reality.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Like he don't live in that whole little world of.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Just depending on like trying to go somewhere eight. I
think he understands the stuff that truly matters, right, like
being in your son's football game. Right, A lot of
people might think, oh, man, you were supposed to go
to the video with Kendrick. No, in reality, he was
supposed to be there for a son what he did.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's true because you you could do a video time,
but you you know, on that that moment of the
Super Bowl, there's no duo, but there's no rerun. There's
no remaster the next especially a super Bowl, maybe a
baseball series unless it's not the final game, or even
a basketball they gonna do the best of three.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You might be able to lose one game.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
But then at the same time, when you're there for
your children, they need you there every time.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
They need you there every day, so you don't get
to take days off exactly.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
And the thing is right, I know it's gonna be
some people out there sitting, Man, it's on you football games. Man,
I'm gonna tell you something is a dude that coach
you football for about ten years of my life. I
got three Super Bowls bro out of ten years. That's
a low sentence. I've made like playoffs in STEMI finals,
all the time. Right, But it's not easy winning the
Super Bowl brought and now no kind of level. It's

(12:46):
not easy winning the championship, right, especially with your son
and you coaching the team. Man, it's like a thing
that y'all remember forever. He has a wonderful bun. I'm
gonna tell you, man, he's so sick of hearing people
say that black men aren't good.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Five.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Some of the best fathers I know are rappers like
Ay is excellent father, right, take care of you know
his children, right, You don't have a whole church full
of kids, but he take care of his kids, right,
m man, top dog from TV man got college graduates
in this family. You feel what I'm saying. He's like
all his kids, man, Like you couldn't even curse on
tops house and.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
In the NFL. Your son made it to that now.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, and it's like it's a lot of guests.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Man, It's like, I know, my my whole thing is
because I'm gonna tell you, man, Can I tell people
this all the time. People always ask about money, right,
The first thing they asks about his money, and it
trists me out.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
They don't ask about nothing else. Right. The first whole
key to being successful with anything is to be passionate.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
About it, right, and had to realize that money is
just an instrument that buys you. What buys you time, right,
It gives you time to be up and do stuff right.
And the one thing I understood, man, I've always understood
because I'm the type of person I go through something
one time and I don't fuck with it again. If
it's bad the first time, I'm not trying to I'm
not giving a second chance.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's just insane to me. I don't even understand that
logical people keep trying to do the same dumb stuff, right.
But I always said, man, that you can get you
can make money. All the time I've lost money, bro,
I've put a lot of money into stuff, lost it.
I've always been able to get money back. Bro. One thing,
one asset that you can't recoup. His time. I'm very

(14:24):
man particular my time. I do not waste time, man.
I do not waste time talking to people on the
phone but a bunch of nothing. That's one thing I did, man.
I looked minute talked on my phone one day, man,
and it was like a ten thousand minutes for the
month of something that was crazy, Right, it was just
something really crazy and insane.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
It might not have been ten thousand minutes, but it
was a lot, right. And I've got really tracking the
conversations I had, And I said, man, if it's conversations
I having managed about other people, god so which I
wouldn't never been into, right, I was gonna start cutting
them short if it was about building and strategized and
then talking about some business like every time me and

(15:05):
you build.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
We don't talk every day, but when we thought we're
building on something, right.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, we rarely shoot the ship. It's always about something.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, we talked about something, you know what?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Or were we looking at the state of the culture, right,
Like I know one of the things that meaning you've
been looking at not to be hipocritical, I would say
lot of speakers networks for the first people to put
rappers's podcasting, right, mm hmm. That's the label that Charlot
Magne and all of them come from. You know, come
bag Jack, you know that they're like kind of like
Godfather is an urban podcasting right right, right?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Jack Stone and all them cats man them and yep
for sure one Epstein shout out to the.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Miss Peter Rosenberg and and you just got right Jasyph.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
For self, I want to think they were first did
you had Elliott Wilson, then you had what I was doing,
which wasn't Again, I didn't know that it was called
podcasting by I used to take my audio and upload
it to YouTube and all that I was doing podcasting.
But see, even when we talk about the word.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Podcast, podcasts come from the iPod.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
It comes from being able to put the music in
the eepod and listen to it.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
That's why the pod is in the word podcast.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
So it comes from the iPod, It comes from that era,
comes from Apple, and then it just Podcasts have been
around for a very very long time. It just didn't
hit us in the urban market. And then when we
all started doing it, some of us were doing it early,
some of us they was looking like me, I ain't
sitting down listening to no dudes, you know what I'm saying.

(16:38):
Because the thing about podcast is that we was able
to cut the radio out.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
We was able to have.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Online talk shows, online talking points or mobile talking points
without people having to deal with commercials. Maybe the little
inserts and stuff like that, but even that was hard
to get the little inserts in anything at one point
and everybody had down cloud first.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Remember everybody's on sound.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, it was different.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
At one time we thought of the our shows on
shund Cloud in addition to other ones. I was like, man,
we missing a lot of downloads. A lot of people
mest with sound Claus. You can know what the thing
is though, and this is another thing misinformation, right, I
swear man. The problem with our people, man, they almost
pair us for lack of knowledge. They believe anything. Somebody
you go on this YouTube and tell them something, they
believe it. If a dude come on this channel now

(17:22):
and say, man, I made one hundred million dollars off
this podcast, man, you.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Know such and such made a hundred million? How much
you make they ripping you up?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Brow I might do. Just think about what you said.
How does the company make the money back? You pay
somebody twenty million dollars thirty million dollars to do a podcast, right,
how you make the money back? That means you have
to sell their advertise and rates for probably about half
a million dollars, right, and you had to get four
or five with episode.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
The duration of whatever the contract is. So if they
got a four or five year contract and they got
a five million per That mean they gotta be making
thirty million because you can't.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
They can't make five million back because that's that's a loss.
You understand what I'm saying. No book break even.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Make a loss. Yeah, people are people don't know that.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
People don't know that. But you know it's funny.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Still as long as I've been doing this, people think
I don't know what I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
They'll listen to any.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Crazy they gonna tell yourself.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm a brag for you for a minute. You don't
have no other occupation. You don't have nothing else to do.
Even though you know how to make beats and DJ,
you don't DJ on the side, shoot you where you're
at to You can probably got to make fifteen because
people know who you are. You can go to make
fifteen hundred two thousand dollars easily every weekend, right right.
You don't make baits. People don't know used to produce

(18:37):
for begging, right right. They can't do podcasts. You make
a good living. You make a six figure living as
a podcast. Right. So for someone that says that you
don't know what you're doing and not listen to your advice,
it's kind of stupid because you try to do that.
That is, at this job, wahni can do what you
telling you. Well, you don't know what you talked about
because people do this and they do it like that.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, even even dude live in your house and think
you can tell you what to do and live with you.
That's how cocky and arrogant society has gotten. But you
know it's funny. I think I'm at the point in
my life where I talk to those who want to
hear what I have to say. I don't impose my
will no more.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I used to be disheartened when I be like, damn, man,
I'm trying to give you all a game.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm trying to realize. Man, this same for everybody. You're
gonna listen to whoever resonates with you.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Even if you like somebody because they got better glasses
than me, You like somebody because they got.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
A better aesthetic.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Still, it's so crazy, Like I do my own graphics,
Like everything you look at I make. I like, I
actually will sit on a photoshop and make my own stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You've running a business, bro, and you treat it like
I respect that because I call you, say, man, I'm
doing this content. You do your like me, I got
too much going on. You know, I'm a serial entrepreneur.
I got two or three other things that I do
in the bestion of this, right, So it's like I
got all kinds of stuff I do because the one
thing when you come from property, you're always scared about
being broke, right, So I never let no opportunities saying

(20:07):
like literally both wife said that the other day, she said,
you always doing little sign deals and stuff like that, right,
and it's funny.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Doing graphics and you know what I'm saying here, Yeah,
all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's the thumbnail for a Killer Priest podcast I just
put out last night. This is the thumbnail for the
for the for the Drake and Kendrick Show.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I just did last night.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Like you know, like I really, I really sit in here.
But you know it's still I think find the people
don't know, like.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
You, I take this real serious and.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Sometimes right, and sometimes people will confuse passion with bitterness
or being jaded. I never said I was broke. I
never said I never asked the ball on nobody's money.
I never said. I never had a sign up like
will work for food. But I'm really really I put

(21:02):
a lot of.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Effort into my work.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And then and then you know it's deep still because
I got to tell the people this.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I did this for about five six years before I made.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
A dollar every day. I did this before I made
a dollar. I didn't get I didn't have no money.
How you know, I was homeless when we started forms.
I ain't got nowhere to stay. All I had was
a camera and just run outside and get content. And
I had a computer at my sister crib and I
was staying there. And when homeless doesn't mean on the street,

(21:38):
homeless means whatever it.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, it does not feel like you're home. You are
a guest. If you are guessed in somebody's house, you
are homeless. I don't care how much somebody say, make
yourself at home. That's conditional. So even people who live
with people have to be humble that this is not
your home. You got to come and buy by rules

(22:04):
and regulations and show the person that you put an
effort into going out there.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
To get your own.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
You understand what I'm saying, So I would brow I
would do like eleven twelve interviews in the day.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's how I had all that content.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I would go out all day getting content and come
home editing. You know how many gigs a ram I
had on my computer four You need at least eight
to do something decent.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I was making the most with enough own.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I was just I was just so hungry, Like I
was like, yo, man, I can't, I can't give this.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Before I started making money, because y'all was real early
on the like actually like running ads and stuff on
your website too, because that when we were talking about that,
y'all starting, y'all was getting big money for the man's
at one time.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
N y'all, yeah, we was. He was making some good bread.
He was making a lot of money to wear.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
As I was able to move, I was able to, you.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Know, assist my family with financials, you know things, and truthfully,
like I still I still got something for his money,
you know what I'm saying, Like for real, for real,
like I still the money that I made back then,
I still was able to hold on to it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
And then I'm really really big on investing myself.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's why I got to have the aesthetic, Like I'm
the type of person that to look at somebody camera
work and be like, now I want my camera to
look better than that when I just act today, right,
I said, what camera you're you still when y'all shoot,
when y'all shooting, you know, because I don't have the cameras.
I done have the seven d's, the five ds, you know,
but that's in the different era.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Now we're on four K. So yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You know, the Forbes YouTube started in two thousand and six,
two thousand and eight, but we already I had my
own personal channel in like two thousand and six. So yeah,
I got maybe three or four YouTube one hundred thousand
subscriber plaques. Yeah I got, you know what I'm saying,
but what I want the audience to get. Sometimes I

(23:58):
knew what my purpose was. My purpose a new content
was king. I knew that if I got this content,
nobody could tell me nothing after a while, and that
was gonna shape and mold the culture and then also
solidify me forever, because I knew, as long as you
got content, you can make some money. That's that's it.

(24:19):
Content has sense then changed. Anybody could pick up their
phone and do stuff like that. But I knew that
this content because it wasn't often that you would see
Joe Button somewhere that show. That's Joe Button and me,
I'm a Brooklyn dude, some fearless he does.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Really good, So I'll shout out to Joe.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
But shout out to Joe Button and nor you know why,
because you know they host they had in ninety seven before.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
People don't realize.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
That they're good at what they do. Bro good at
what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And shout out to the underrated DJ E f N too.
Man e f N, don't name no get shot live.
I know Norwy get all the props for the show,
but ef N, that's man. But sometimes Norway, when you
don't know what the hell you're talking about, that damn
great partner of yours. He saved you. So shout out

(25:09):
the DJ e f N. And another veteran in the culture.
He's such a veteran of culture. He actually had here
at one point he actually had black hair and had
hair on his head. So for him to be gray
and ball. Guess how you know you've been putting in
work for a long.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Time, working stretched out and he don't die and stuff either.
He let it.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
He just got it there and you know what, if
you go to Miami, it's funny because when you're rolling
down the freeway, you see that this building, Crazy Hood
Productions with the big boom box and stuff. He's really
steeped the Miami coature. He may beat his stuff. Man,
he does a lot of vents in the city and
stuff like EFN is a factor on there in miamis
to him. He's a factor in the Southeast, you know,

(25:47):
nationwide now around the world, right Frenk Champions, like you know,
Drink Champs is probably still the number one brand of podcast.
You know, it's big, you know, and the.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And the hip hop because because I think shout out
to I don't pick one or the other. I think
Drink Chance would be more to our liking because the
interview rappers. But Joe Button, he did a play and
I understood the play. After he did the play, he said,
when I'm a dude, I.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Don't have to be guest driven.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
My co hosts are the guests, and then we'll work
off these personalities on the show.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Some of them gonna mess, some of them gonna class.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Sometime the content is the co host arguing over something
not getting along. So I understood that, and I think
I think Joe Button is a genius. I think at
one particular point he didn't always have it figured out.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But he's so creative, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know that from his raps that when he figured
it out, it worked. That's why he make a million
dollars a month.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Joe always never you know, one thing Glasses told me
when he was on tour with them. He was on
tour with slaughter House and Take nine, right he was
on the road. He said, even back think Joe had
his camera phone. He had like some kind of little phone,
like some kind of little advice. He was always recording
careful because you could be talking to your mama on
the phone. He was gonna be right with you, recording you.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
He was the dreamer.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
He's on the phone with his mama right now, you're
talking about this and that. So he never, he never cared,
and he even showed his own vulnerability. I think that's
what got him where he's at. Like he's a very
honest person. He's probably one of the most honest people around.
To be honest with.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Him, even when he lying, he honest, you know, because
honestly this subjective to whoever is on the other side
was one of the He was one of the first streamers.
Did you know that the first streamer? I'm not talking
about you for sure, yep. On you stream he used
to sit there playing space and Reality TV is kind
of based off, loosely off of his life because he

(27:43):
used to uh stream himself and to hear he and
we was looking at to hear he because she was
a Dominican chick with.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
A big ass. So he's like, Yo, this girl gotta beat.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
So, like I said, with him, I got a lot
of respect for Joe Budden because I know him personally,
but beena, but I didn't know him.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I understand what he did, why he did it. Of course,
Laurie is my brother.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Like transcends podcasting, you know, because me and Noria have
had real life conversation and it's rare that you can
have real life conversations with people, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
And Noor is like stream of both of his national
He's like niggas Puerto Rican wan.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, Puerto Rican nigga.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, Like he's really liking That's the thing about the home,
you know what I'm saying. He really he gonna be
a drink in his hand and he's gonna be doing
this thing and he gonna be talking ship.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think the next podcast that's about to emerge as
one of the ones is, of course Bagfield. My brother's
Heinek and so I think they I think that they're
going to the well, let's let's put it into proper perspective.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
They're already there.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
They're like an interview with two away, a moment or
two away for everybody saying this is it?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
You know, yeah, and Heineken like like.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
What is based on Okay, Brooklyn? You know what, man, that's.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
What's from Queens though, but Heinegan is from Brooklyn. I
know Heineken for about eleven years.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, we're doing this situation, right.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
That's one of the things me and A was talking
about because we kind of like we're kind of like
jumping the head and figuring out how we go do
stuff that justic is everything that we do. You know,
when I do moves, I'm leaving California. I can't do
it no more. Bro right right right right right again,
California thirty years, bro thirty thirty plus years. It's time
to go. I was time. The road is too expensive
about it, and I'm tired of this ship. You know,

(29:36):
I'm tied to the traffic. I'm tired of these fake
ass people. I'm just tired of it, all right, Simon Road, Right,
And that's not all California's California I met, so I
became a man. I can miss cold dudes, like I
met some real thorough people out here, right. But I'm
just when I talk about funny people, I'm talking about
that side of it, like.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
The whole it literally, Hollywood, Literally Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I'm not talking about the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Literally, they just you know, tell you whatever to your face, right,
and don't care about your live to do that, right.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think it's time to go, right. I can't wait
to leave. Man.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
But this new situation we about to do, this could
be for YouTube, so y'all, I know we don't post
enough videos on YouTube. So my cats out there on YouTube,
y'all about the whole lot of us, we're about to actually.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Something.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
When we don't post, sometimes it's not because we don't
have the content.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's because we're trying to get.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
The maximum monetization.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
And the maximum viewership out of the content.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
People believe sometimes that if you keep posting, you keep
posting they're gonna come. That's not always true because in
the space that we're in sometimes sometimes we get buried.
Perfect example, I interview Charleston Waite to our interview. When
I first put the interview out with the twenty five thousand,
isn't that crazy? I was okay with that. I'm like,

(31:02):
twenty five thousand, that's cool. Charleston White started blowing up.
I said, yo, hmmm, we take the interview down and
put it back up.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I put it back up. I did three hundred thousand
with the same interview.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I've seen it before.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It never feels because this is what I tell people
when I hear people brag on their views. Right, if
you're doing something consistently you're getting a half a million views,
that you doing it right. But if you're getting if
you're doing twenty five thirty thousand views, right, which is
good people, you know, to sleep on that. I think
everybody has a tendency look at the big number.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
If you're doing ten twenty twenty five thousand views, that's
about for where we're at, that's about normal, right, that's
you know, normal thing. And if you have some stuff
on that, if you put the little click bait, and
you know, you do everything right, you'll get a hundred thousand, right,
because that's our videos I've always been. They've always been like, okay,
first week twenty five thousand, and then next thing, you know,
they have the one hundred hundred fifty.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Then if you put a video out and it gets
to monetized, it doesn't get suggested to as many people.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So if I went on there, if Meg you was
on here cussing each other out right now, and we
put the caption Doggie dumbs, still go at it, Doggie
threatened steal his life.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
You can't come to Brooklyn ever.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, it's gonna get so many people tapping on their right,
tapping on their right, and the more people to come
and look at it, the more YouTube is gonna suggest
that video, right, So it's gonna mess around then Avis appearance.
So you have some of these people who really scumbags,
who get cool views and they base their whole content
around slandering motherfuckers, right, and they get fused and they

(32:37):
think they have tailing. No, you're not telling people just
like bullshit, right, That's true. People just like bullshit, I
give it.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
You know, people like bullshit sometimes because sometimes you find
yourself clicking the bullshit.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
If they got to get and a good thumbnail, you
dislike them. Let me see what this is about and
then it be clickbait.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I guarantee you if someone made it shat, I'm talking
about eating their bookers and they was on the But
it will be the biggest thing on YouTube, bro, because
I want to look people look at it. The biggest
videos on YouTube are actually pimple pop.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Pemple pop. You know, ask me how I know? Member
be me and you haven't had conversations.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I'm looking at it like what the rabbit.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Hole, bro?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
You done?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Watch seventeen eighteen in the row. I know all the channels.
I know all the Asian channels who do it. I
know doctor pimple popper, I know everybody. I know about
a Lie Palmer, dilated Paul Wana, I know every type
of pimple from that.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But see now this is the reverse. It's something that
means you.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You said to me the other day, you said, yo,
I don't got time to be sitting around doing stuff
because I'll be putting time into stuff that's not beneficial
to me. He said this to me last week and
instead of me watching the pimple Pop video, I just
download Adobe Premiere.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
So now watching Adobe Premiere tutorials, I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Watching Adobe or addition tutorials because me, I'm always looking
for ways to enhance the product and enhance what I'm doing.
So I say, yo, if I'm gonna spend four hours
a week watching pimple Pop, I probably only could give
it an hour and give that three to something to
go back.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And lang with, like feeding of certain fight. As long
as you ain't in a dope or nothing like that,
ain't nothing the world yet. Because I'm gonna tell you,
I'm a big sci fi fan. I don't know if
you see, I got all this stuff wrong, y'all.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I got like pictures of like superheroes.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Man, it's worth like ten fifteen thousand nights I might
have bought somewhere twenty years ago, dog, and it's worth
this much money now. Or I collect all that stuff, right,
So the thing is right, you have to put your
time and the step.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Remember I told you and I was talking.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I've been on that for the last year, man, because
you know, I don't lost all this weight, so I've
been really about like my mental health man, and the
thing is, well, people don't understand me, and eight gonna
be straight. If we never released YouTube video, we don't
need YouTube, right, YouTube is ancillary for us, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
We can just put our audio out and we cool
right right right right in.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Our biggest audience, to be honest with you, Like, what
we need to be doing is on Facebook more because
we got videos that just crazy on there, you.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And it's like I am probably I thought about it.
I said, well we officially o JA. Now that's probably why
we do on there. This Facebook is where all the
old people is that, you know. But but I made
it through my mind. And when I did that, Bro,
I was able to start jim again. I'm a gym rad.
Now I'll go to gym.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Man. You know, I was back arm at three fifteen
the other night.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Like this, Yeah, that's try. And I went up and
I was like, man, I said, I got my string back.
I'm back to being you know. You know, I'm now
forty four in the waist. And I realized that I
can't eat what I want to. I just eat it
at home. Now if I want a burger, I either
go to a place that's really gome and boutique, or
I make it at home.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
I can make my MoMA's. Man, I make bomb smash burgers.
Did you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I make bomb smash burgers. Man, and I eat my
own food at home. And he was out work out it.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Right right right right?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Breaking out is more for your mind than it is
for your body.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh yeah, because I'm gonna tell you. You know, it's funny
about people. People think in negative space.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I put a post about my blood pressure. I put
the blood pressure. Nobody ever looked to say, what my
you know, my diastolic was and all that stuff right
in my systolic right, my blood pressure, man, is a
one oh seven open ninety. That's like a seventeen year
old or something. Bro, And I'm my fifty right. Nobody
took the time to look at it. Was all, Man,

(36:31):
I hope everything is good, Man.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
I was Charlotte hit me. He was like, man, you cool,
and I was like, Man, I'm good. I'm I'm writing
the celebratory picture.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Man.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
I'm like, no, ain't nothing wrong with me, right, I'm
actually man.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sometimes me and my wife would go hiking man a
week and It's like my wife is in shape. My
wife is in shape, my wife face, she goes hyking
and stuff. Her and my oldest son do all that
extreme stuff right right right, No mom clambing and all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
They scared the shit out of me. Right, But.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I and hit that man and go do two miles
dog and I'm cool. Before man, I got what I was.
I got tired of breathing hard. Man, I got tired
of being fat that you bend over her, but hanging
out and something your fix back again. You're asthmatic as well, right, yeah,
I'm asthmatic. And you know what, bro, I'm gonna tell
you this. Since I have lost weight, I have had

(37:20):
no problems with my brief and my briefing was pretty
much under control then, because you know, I don't really
do no smoking and all that other stuff. I don't
do nothing of that. I don't drink, so I've always
been conscious of that. And I tell people, Man, start
managing your time, because when you could. I'm gonna tell
all the cats out there. We got some young people
listening to this show right now, I'm gonna give you
all the juke. Start limiting social media. Your social media

(37:43):
in reactions to no more than hour a week. Start
taking more free time that you have instead of watching
TV and stuff. Find you hustling if you don't have
nothing to do at home, you just on lay in
the bed. Go do oop breeds or something, right, go
do something to go do. Man, There's so many ways
to make a bag and stead of just sitting down,
I'm like this, bro. You know the funniest thing there,

(38:07):
I ain't gonna tell nobody where I work at. People
troulls right right right. You know, I've always had a
job where I made one hundred and fifty twenty thousand
dollars here, I've always had I'm a college grades.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
But I'm not no dummy facts. So don't ever get
a twist. And I'm not.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know, when I met you, I mean you had
you had a good job, and you was able to
take some time off from there and then go back
to work.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah I can. I could do that. And I'm still
in that same you know space.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
So the thing is I tell people. And the first
thing when we got our deal, somebody asked you, man, white,
you still do this and do that? And you got
the money? I said, man, because I like having nice stuff, man,
because one of those things could falter at one time.
So I'm not one of those guys that's the victim
and held hostages by something.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Right. That's why I can say and do it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Stuff is I want to write now, I saying I
don't feel my contract obligations to do what I was
supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Right, But people can't talk to me any kind of way.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You can't play with me any kind of way, because
I can four or five different sources of income.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And my wife is retiring early because of touf I do.
She's gonna be early this summer. We're going to go
buy our dream off this summer, like our like I've
always been sacrificed. And I'm gonna tell you something. My
mortgage on the house, I mean out bro, it's only
twelve hundred dollars a month. You know why because we've

(39:23):
always put extra money towards paying principal. Just boom boom boom.
I get some money, man, throw that towards it, you
know what I mean? And people don't. People waste too
much time bullshiting.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
People rather sit at home man, and watch other dudes
just making money off of you. They sit there and
look at that and look at it like gospel bro.
And those people you're looking at her ricks they doing something,
they live and they dreaming you over there looking like
and talking shit about them. Sometimes I had people sometimes
leave me, and it's not a lot, But you get
a couple of people and you no matter how many
times you block, they always.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Come back right.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
They always find a way.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
They're sitting over there talking about you and how much
they hate but the voting fifteen hours a week to
hate you. They going on different platforms trying to find you,
and I'll be wondering. Sometimes many have a secret effactuation
or something.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Of course they do, see. See my thing is just though,
like I'm gonna be real with you. A lot of
times I see stuff. I can't really name too many
rappers that I really like, whether I know them personally
or not, just because I know you don't mean I.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Like your music.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I might like you, but your music might suck ass
to me. But you're just a good dude, you know.
So I rock with you still, and I think a
lot of times think people be thinking because we're friends,
I gotta like your music, just you might not prefer
to watch my show or like what I'm into, but
we still cool.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
When I don't like something, I just scroll past it.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't really dedicate my time into saying what I
don't like, because that's neglecting what I do like you.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Know saying and that's what I'm saying, because you could
have a number of people, And that's why I don't.
I used to tell people, right, they'll spend this one
time arguing with the troll, but they don't have twenty
people that might have told them and gave them prop.
You ignoring them, but you're going after the people.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
It's negative. It's like, that's the first I know what
black people. Bro. I don't have time because.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I block people all day.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
The thing is this, bro, if you sit up and
entertain stuff, right, are run really guarded When it comes
to my space, Man, I don't let low vibrational in
my in my frequency. You feel what I'm saying people
there on that low vibrational frequency brought them. Give them
a chance because when people do that, they're cursing you.
When people sit up and you sit up there and

(41:35):
listen to them, degrades you. I don't care who you
is adventure just gonna wear down them. You can get
to wondering where these people at, and you're gonna start wondering.
Like I remember one day I was telling the honey
and it's one of that g homies. He was spending
all this time and he had this dog find out
where it's that. I heard that you can find the
IP address. I said, bro, why are you trying to
find this clumb because when you do find him, it's

(41:56):
not gonna be who you think he is. It's gonna
be somebody that's are you gonna look at me?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
You're the one doing all right?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And sometimes they know the jogging, they know the troll
Like I'll be having people and.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
This, and this happens to us in this space.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
When you come into this culture, when you have former
co hosts, you have former partners, you have former girlfriends,
whoever you previously dealt with, people believe for some reason
that they control you with the person that you used
to be around. Listen, anybody who I used to be around,
I don't wish bad for them.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I don't wishing well neither. I don't think about them.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And I'll be saying to some people, damn you think
more about this person than I do, like I wonder.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I'm gonna tell you know what I'm talking about too.
I was in the Ruper Dog. I'm in the Ruber Dog.
I'm enjoying myself my phone ringing this dude I'm cool
with right, and we cool. I ain't gonna say we
necessarily just like you know like that, but were cool?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
He called me three times and I said, you know what,
let me see what's going on? Say Yo, what's happening?
Brought up the country, what's happening?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Oh man?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I just wanted to sing you in this video man
of this dude is talking. I said it bro that
video like five months old.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Dog.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I said, let me ask you something. Why are you
so comfortable Washington nigga talk about me every time we talk?
You tell me about who's talking about me?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Right? Did you getting the niggas? Ask man? Like yo?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I had to do it, and I put up with posters.
I had a dude say to me, Yo, they was
going in on you in the comments.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
And I'm like, so you think that that's because it's
it's times where people say something about you. You see,
I be ready to crash out and you be like, Yo,
don't even worry. But I'm like, nah, I'm making a
video because when it's somebody that I love and that's
my comrade, my partner, my brother, and you talking about them,

(43:47):
I feel like you're talking about me.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I don't take too calmly to that what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And you know why I tell you, dogs, you don't
worry about it because those people that do that stuff.
I'm gonna tell you something, man, I've learned pray for
my enemies, right because I know what it was.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
They miserable.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
I pray for the.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Day seriously because you know what, it's a God says,
let vengeance be mine.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I pray for people and I say, you know what, Father,
help him find you so he can find peace within himself.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Because some people are so miserable that that's all they do.
That's what they attract, right. So they sit around all
they don't have nothing to do. Some of these people's
health ain't the greatest, right, so they sit around all
they man, they just look for step to wind. They
find something. They'll see this video and think somebody talking
about them and you'll be talking about the whole person.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Right. But they gonna find it. They gonna make a
whole thing. And that's they thing.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And the sad part of by it though, Bro, these
aren't twenty three and twenty four year old people.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I'm people older than us.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I'm old and these people, these are people that probably
got grand children that got this. And some of this,
a lot of this is mental illness too, because you guys,
I saw this one clown time or whatever. I thought
it was funny.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Hit me. We're not gonna say his name. We're not
giving advertise.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
They don't pay no, they don't pay no advertised fees
over her solf.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
They can't afford to get that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
That particular dude. And I'm gonna say this, dude, be
on money. I don't know what that's all about. Dude,
just be on my every time he.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Says something about you, he mentioned my name like I had,
like I was your boss and all this, and I'm like, Yo,
what do this dude be talking like?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
And got you know what's so cool? You know how
people be so dumb and they think they figured some
stuff out. You looking at them like you dumb? Did
you hit yep? Yep, Yeah, I'm gonna have you meet
me up next time.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
But in front of me, I should have got it
for free because i'd be advertising.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
But yeah, so you look at that dude like, you idiot,
you just got it all your Like you just gotta
let him do it, because what it is he keeps pulling.
You went to it because you have a big platform,
and he wants to engage and people engaged and rw rack.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
He wants people to.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Go back and forth with bastard like like, let me
tell you something. I could look at certain people's face
and just say, he just does not like his life when.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I make my life.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
And I but let me tell you something real quick.
When I go outside, I got that barring out there.
I got this beautiful crib. I got this nice leather
reclining sofa, this big ass television that I could just
sit back and just chill out. I could go cook
me something nice. I could go sit out on my balcony,

(46:43):
go get my big ass tug. I literally come from
nothing exactly when I come from nothing so hard that
I didn't even know that I didn't have nothing because
that it was used to I remember going to my
friend's house and he had a pop tart and I
was like, what is that like a pop And I'm like,
but what is a pop talk?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Like you eat it? I never saw a pop talk
before that.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
He never had the luxury of avenue. Right.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, now where I look at myself at this age,
I'm not a failure because everything is right on schedule
with my life, right let me let me hear.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
It's a real quick though. Bro.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You know why I don't pay no attention metics. First
of all, it's a lot somebody every persday. Hold me Joey, Yeah,
I'm serious. For anybody out there that's the long beasts
gonna ask about me, I'm not no salt fast dude.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
I'm not no like.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I don't know why people play with me or whatever. Right,
I handle mine. But this dude is about sixty years old, right,
he is going to be homeless because I'm gonna tell
you why.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
He has nothing.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
So he thinks that that little two or three thousand
dollars he may make from YouTube for talking about people
every month, that's all he's going for achieve, right, And
when that's over with right there, what else does he have?
But I'm pretty sure he don't have no four one
k nowhere. I'm pretty sure he don't have no money
saved up nowhere. I'm pretty sure the house he's in
he don't have no equity because he rented from somebody.
He probably got a girl with on section eighty son, right,

(48:12):
so he has nothing. I don't have to deal with him.
I never had to say nothing to hurt him, because
life is gonna hurt him in the next few years.
And I guarantee you, if I come back to La
to visit, I'm gonna probably see that dude on sitting
on the side of the fence.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
And I hope I'm wrong, but he's it's too late
for him, right, especially.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
You have mature, yeah, but you're still as more mature
than me.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
If you waste this time talked about me, like half
these people I see that be talking shit, dog, I'd
be like, that's cool, dog, I said, you know whatever, Yeah,
you know whatever, because the thing is for one. You
look at him and it's kind of comical, right, and
it's just kind of calm because you hear the stuff,
and I say, man, I can't even lie that here.

(48:54):
I can't get sit up and say, man, I saw
Dorry last night and I smacked his glass off his
face and this this.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Girl was there.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
She tried to run out here and here with a man.
Mais you know all this ridiculous stuff. I'm like, these
people really got mental problems. Bro Let me tell you
my funny story.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
So one time I had an incident with a fellow
podcast that you know, I wasn't looking for.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I was hunting.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I heard that somebody that he was dealing with had
an establishment in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So that sound good, hey, in my neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
As I went to the establishment, I was on my
pedal bike. I had that knapsack on my back, so
I'm gonna say I had a knapsack.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
As I went to the establishment, I saw an individual there.
The individual was.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Familiar to me because they were a rapper back in
the days, and I know who they was from Brooklyn
as well. So as I went up, I rolled past,
and I doubled back and I went right up to
do like, Yo, where that nigga such.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
As such at? And he was like, Yo, that nigga
in here? Yo, what's up with him?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And I proceed to tell him, Yo, when I catch him,
I'm gonna kick him in his ass.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And he was like, yeah, fuck that nigga, Yo. He
gave me some jewels because he was like, yo.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Man, if you doing the podcasting media day, f them.
You know what I'm saying, like, yo, do your thing
and all that. Okay, we exchange numbers every.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Couple of months. I was checking, Yo, bro, you good?
How you I'm good?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
One day he proceeded to hit me and said, Yo,
I got this book that I'm writing.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Could you help me promote?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I said, well, just give me a summation of what
it's about, because I don't. You can't just give me
a title and say, yo, go look at this book.
I said, give me some mation what it's about, you know,
even the back cover of the book, and I'll just
take that and roun with it. All right, cool, still
checking up on dude. You know what I'm saying, Just
on some Brooklyn love shit. Fast forward, I interview another individual.

(51:00):
The other individual wanted to talk about him, but he
did speak. He wanted to speak about him positive, and
I had to let him know, YO, hold me, my man,
so don't say anything about him negative, just like I
wouldn't let him say nothing negative about you.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
He didn't. He said something positive about him, something like
oh this is this is dope.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Because at the moment, although said person disrespected him Instagram dude.
So I text him, Yo, heads up and if you
listen to me, you pussy, you know I'm talking about you.
I said, heads up. I interviewed something such and he
said it was all good. He called my phone, Oh

(51:40):
you don't even know. I'm like, Yo, what are you
getting mad at? Like it was all good? Yeah, but
you know you the last time I asked you to
help me, you said send you stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
You see. I didn't use you. I didn't want your help, no.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
More and all that shit.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
So I'm like, if this is what this is about,
you were mad because I didn't help you with your
book or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So he's like, I'm out and he hung up. I'm like,
this nigga's weird.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
At the over emotional stuff. I'm not that's a mon man.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Then he text me and say, and I better not
hear my name in no podcast.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
First of all, cut it out.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
The performance is good for those who believe the performance.
Then I go on the Gram and I see and
with text exchange on the Gram, I said, oh, the
nigga did it for the ground. Now this nigga.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Probably gotta be fifty seven fifty eight. He did it
for the GRAM. Then I do an interview with Gene Deal.
Shout out the Gene Deal.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
He takes the clip and says he has this caption
about what Genie said. Then he says, let me tell
you about this other kid. This is how insane niggas are.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Mental illness is real.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Let me show you.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Like the other kid, this nigga rolled up on me
on the pedal bike. I pulled that thing out on
him and was like, Yo, don't be rolling up on me.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
My cousin called me laughing.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
He was like, damn you letting leve, letting niggas pull
out guns on you and shit like that. He laughing
because you know it never happened. You understand what I'm saying.
But I'm like, damn this nigga. That's why you an author,
because you make up fabulous stories.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
You make up grace. So nothing like that have ever happened.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Still, I promise you, in my life, no man who
has ever pulled out.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
A gun on me is alive for one for two,
that shit never happened.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
But I realized me, I don't I don't really look
at the people who say dumb shit.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I look at the audience because I always say who's worse,
the clown or the audience.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
They would be no clown if he didn't have an audience,
he would just be out there back ass by hisself,
and he would eventually stop because nobody's clapping omitted.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
One person clap you feel validated. So that let me.
That let me know. And then he wrote all the
stuff about me then blocked.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
So I couldn't Yeah, bro, yeah, I couldn't even rebut
and say, Yo, you're a lion ass bitch.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
You know who that remind me of? Dog.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I'm gonna say these niggas names man, Wishdom, little hip
hop fun sensed that one old, that one peanut head nigga,
the one look nigga, Whish the hip hop fun sensor right, and.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Know I thought we got cool with them after a while.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Hip hop Man, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna
tell you what they did. Bro, I'm gonna know we
never got cool. I'm gonna tell you what they did.
You remember when that whole stuff happened with him a
layer and the dude was up there stealing their revenue,
and they did the whole magazine article about it, right,
or we got ripped whole, Yeah, we got you know,
they did a magazine. Did you ever see that magazine? Yeah,

(54:56):
that's a big magazine.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
I'm gonna look for it. Right then there was notories.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeahous he robbed the Himalaya people too, because he really
took they prappy and took over the company and stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, because they were squatting at the mansion, right, he
was squatting.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
At the match.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
And what it was he was tasked with running the
US office, you know, Emmaaya was to get people some
context him. Malaya was a company we had to deal
with digital soapbox. They help put us in these content studios.
They got this mansion in Beverly Hills and had his
taping out of there. Right. It was tight, right, it
was tight, and they had the whole ass sales team
so we could brush the gang of ad revenue right

(55:34):
right right. And I brought all the shows in dogs.
I didn't just include me and your stuff. I brought
all kinds of people. So the dude he momed that
steal a funch of money. These particular people, they was
like because they had some more bread coming for a
red and they was, well, man, it's always something were
gonna go on. And I said, you know what, man,

(55:55):
I don't have nothing to steal from y'all want ahead
to pay the dudes, even if by even though I
didn't never get the more, I paid them right, And
so they didn't know how to switch they audio out right.
So they was like they was making videos talking about
like they ran from the machine, we escaped from no
soapboxing and this and that. Man, I have never have
y'all bum ass niggas, no fucking wear and I swear

(56:16):
I don't to man that people man him does were
just so sensational. And then they wanted to try to
interview all the niggas they thought had smoke with me,
and then had the nerve to send glasses of interview requests.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You know, I never knew none of this.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
I swear broke as. I don't talk about it. I swear.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Them dues.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Now I'm gonna tell you the little short fat dude,
I really I don't even remember his name. I really
didn't have no issue with him, but it was his
cousin because he was just an overly emotional last you
know what, I'm trying to bomb. Just always everything with
him was just really like, oh, like somebody was like,
first of all, y'all wasn't doing no ill shit like
like me and you always had the biggest numbers on

(56:57):
the network.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
With audio stuff facts. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
They was doing cool.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
But it was like, man, nobody is stealing from you.
I've never had to take nothing nobody.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Bro mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
If anything, I'll overpaid people and they got comfortable in
the situations and they started becoming entitle. That's what that is,
people becoming title. That's why now, bro, I'm very guarded
with my space. People ask me, man, yo, can you here? No,
I don't have time for that ship.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
You'll never work with them into huh, You'll never work
with math five.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I told you, you know, man, But you know what's
all these dudes you told me about. I wanted to
give them a chance. Dude cut the Rady charge. We
still mess with him. They have talked about the rape
charge and stuff like that. We still mess with him.
You told me, man, I'm gonna tell you that dude
called me at five o'clock in the morning one time.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Your man win the Michael get my release man, and
I said, man, check this out.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Technically, I don't have to release you from nothing, right,
I said, But I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Don't call my line No. Four or five.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I told the audience. I said, Yo, we signed this dude.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
He had a lot of a lot of smut on
his name, and we still was trying to work with
him because I asked him as a man, Yo, Bro,
And I don't even want to say as a man,
but I meant to say, men the man, Bro, if
you innocent, I'm a ride with you. We're gonna gamble
on this. If you had any inkling that it could
have not you did it, but it could be perceived.

(58:25):
We're gonna step off.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
We rolled with him, I told you.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
I said, Yo.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Still, he's very temperamental, very emotional, and he don't do
good business.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You're like, Yo, but we could do his audio.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
He gave you one show class with live with my
Live read. I'm like, Yo, you don't you don't know
how this worked? No, Still said, I just seventeen thousand
down loads. I said, Still was making a.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Deck for you.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Of course in the beginning, Unfortunately with some people you
had twenty five downloads left.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Your show. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right right, because I
knew he.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Had everything he's doing now, I knew he had potention
to do it, but he was just temperamental dog.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
And it's like the thing years.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
It's like, man, you know what, I don't even have
no beef with him, man, but he was just I'm
gonna tell you what I can't do. I can't do
these emotional dudes, these emotional men. It's the silliest thing
in the world to me because it's almost like it's
mind recking. Man. It's like, dudes, you had twenty five downos,
you call me your show been there for a week,
and you're talking about you won't live read. It's like,

(59:33):
come on, bro.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Right, probably still don't get live reads.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Come on, bro, you know what, He's had a hell
of a show. You know what, I'm do it no
on YouTube. He's had a hell of a run. But again,
with that run had to been what it is if
we had to held him to a standard because he
owed us fifty two shows. Fifty two shows, gave us
one no metadata, no title, no description, just here here

(01:00:00):
go some audio.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
And I'm like, bro, that's not how you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
So I was trying to navigate him through the space
of audio, because everybody at that particular time is going
on YouTube and saying I got a podcast of like, no,
you don't have a YouTube show. Let us take the
audio from the YouTube and put it on an aggregator
to put it somewhere. And you know the only reason

(01:00:24):
why we bringing some of these things up because first
of all, me and still, like I said, I've been
partners for a long time, and we never had an argument.
I think, you know, we might not. I think one
time you you wanted me to make a list before me.
He's like, yo, make a list. I'm like, y'all, I'm
not making no lists. So even another anyway, I might
even gonna do that arguments. Yeah, but but I'm just saying,

(01:00:46):
people always want me to make a list, right, and
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I don't be wanting to make no lists. I always
get damned, you'll make a list, make a list.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I think you went with a list. You know, we
gotta start doing. We need to make a list for
the site.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
By the way, go visit out, go visit Digital soapbox
Media dot com. Right, we about to start doing some
really dope stuff on there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
We you know, it's so many dope situations happening. We
we have our own I don't know our own YouTube.
YouTube is big. I wish we did that. We're on
YouTube that amazed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
But still put you the intern How could they? How
could they hit you up?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Hit me up? Man, hit me up?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Steal five sixty two Miggs email dot com. I person,
don't send me no pro stuff is I know how
to block? I filter as a monster man, some pers
this is gonna go straight to this and I'm info.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'm info at Doggie Domind's TV if you want to,
because we do good help is hard to find. Good
help is always good when you know your role as
a helper. You're not the boss, you're not the shot caller.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Ideas are great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
But one thing that I find that a lot of
people don't know how to do when they come into
a space of helping. You don't know how to follow instructions. Yeah,
you don't know how to follow instructions. I haven't been
in the culture for nineteen years because I don't know
what I'm doing. And I done went from analog to digital.
I went from actual DVD to the Internet. Websites all

(01:02:18):
of that, you know, so I kind of know what
I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. I think I
know what I'm doing, and I think I could really
help because if you really think about it, a lot
of people come from my tree.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Watch it And while I'm on here, let me let
me this is on a gangst the Chronicles, speaking a
gangst the ship. I actually had a conversation with Saan
Campbell the other day who I saw on camp music?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Who I got them him? You know what, man, I
ain't never had no what it's un yeah, but see,
but to see this is how real it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Although me and him had an issue, I never drug
you into that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
You know what I'm saying, crazy fils anybody got an
issue with shoot you my partner, so right, But he's
never like he just ain't never came at me about
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I've never been like still because we don't do that. Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You gotta hate him too and all that. But I
mean a lot of times if you go and still
you go at me. But on we had a decent
conversation the other day. We had a conversation and I don't.
I don't unless I speak to him and he wants
to put out what we spoke about wasn't crazy. I
won't do that because I'm not. I don't really tell

(01:03:32):
behind the scenes stuff. But let's just say that we
had a conversation and we was able to come to
an agreement and an understanding of something that in this
space that we're in when we go and we do
some of the things that we do to one another.
And this is how I wanted to end this, because
we went through the rigmarole with these dudes that we had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
An issue with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Nobody one in that situation with me and him, I mean,
we snapped on each other. He got demonetized, I got demonetized.
We lost the asshole full of money. He was demonetized
for twelve months. I was demonetized for six not even y'all.
Y'all got dimnotized like that because of that. Not no,
not because of our argument, but but just the energy

(01:04:21):
that we had.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, that's about tell you, when you when you bring that,
it all comes in like in bad stuffs. For that.
That's why I don't entertainment, bro, because it ain't worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
It's like somebody who won you still?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I told her to say, Yo, still, I think I
lost it. Okay, I lost, I lost the grip. You
know what I'm saying that I can imagine that how much.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
You lost, you lost, you lost, you lost a hundred
lar regulation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And I can imagine how much he lost because he
was on fire at that time, right, And as we're
truth tellers, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
It's not favorable, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Popular, and we already got people gunning to propose channel
who got people gunning to say, you're doing this and
doing that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
And then we do it too, we go at.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Each other if we got these big platforms, So I
got the power to motivate some people to go at
him just like him with me nobody wanting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
And let me say one thing before before I get off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
That the reason why I thought it was important to
speak to him and have a conversation with him, because
my main Hocus fourth fifth got a challenge right now
to drop your flag. Challenge for all the New York
gang bangers. If you want to get out of the gang,
just leave, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
The gang gotta understand you want to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
And at the time of peace, Hocus is my brother.
Hocus fuck with her song too, So I didn't want
dudes to be in the middle or feel like they
got to pick and choose or I spoke to him,
but I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
So sometimes if it's a middle man, our dead issues
sold my bro I'll feel uncomfortable. But guys, still, who
is you know?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
This is what I want to say. Man, contributing to
negative energy leads nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
If somebody is talking about you were saying, whatever, this
is my thing. Somebody put their hands on me or
attempt to put their hands on me up, calls harm
to somebody in my family or something like that, that's
a whole different thing. I'm gonna bring it to you.
But all that and behind the computer, man, I don't
have time for that. Man, knock yourself out because' all

(01:06:34):
you're doing is advertising for me, right, that's I look
at that. It's just you a street team members.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
You're promoting.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
You know what I'm saying, Keep on promoting, keep on
doing off bit speak on doing my bid. And I'm glad,
y'all I live rent free in all y'all ear is
like that the y'all matter feel like y'all's got to
talk about me all the time. I look, you know,
but man, I appreciate you coming on. Man y'all, make
sure man, y'all go to the homeboys, gentle man. Doggy
Diamonds TV.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
He over there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Litter is the audio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music.
It's everywhere, just putting in Doggy Diamonds on filter. But
it's also embedded in my site as well. I've been
trying to get still to come over to this platform.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
No man, but you know what we need to do
right there that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
That's not the last show I did. This is the
last show I did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
And you see it's embedded in the show so they
could listen right from the show. This is all the
YouTube videos that go up. It automatically imports, and this
is the audio. You know what I'm saying. It goes
on the site. This is Doggy Diamonds TV dot com.
And I'm going to start putting more blogs up. So
subscribe to the email email list. Did I did I
just go out?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
He said, slip broadcast on the dude camera out, But
I thought you were showing me something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
No, no, no, yeah, it actually froze on me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
It froze so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
They can hear me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
I love you dog. We on man, we out here.
We all y'all Next week.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yes sir. Peace until next time, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
That concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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The Gangst Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel Aaron M.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
C a Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
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