The Disappearing Black Community

In this episode the homie Chuck Johnson from Oakland, Ca's Soul Beat TV stops by the crib to discuss the disappearing Black community with MC Eiht and Steele.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hey, so.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was explained like I was telling you eight I
was telling them, and probably be easier for him to
go to your master and clear from there because with
the simple and ship then get real tricky, man. And
I think that's what we had to wrap in our
days because as these kids make versions of songs that
they might have grew up on from the nineties and
the two thousands, them songs sometimes come from somewhere else,

(00:58):
Definitely get tricky as a mother for them. Yeah, I
had my partner Man from soul Beat TV, come down.
Did you ever do soul Beat TV back in the day? Hey,
I'm pretty sure up in the Bay Yeah, up in
the Bay Area for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Then if you an't remember, right, I gotta refresh your memory.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Man. In nineteen ninety six. I interviewed you for a
few minutes when he was on your run with death threat. Okay,
for sure, I definitely look that. Yeah, yeah, you pull
it up and pull it up to the East Mynt
Mall in East Oakland night. Then the first shout out
to an old school, another Oakland tradition.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's t wy oozis was our our Yes, indeed, wait,
what's the name of that find a long Beach, said Snoop.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I got great, so yeah, it's similar to what our
tradition is with with Tys. Definitely, yeah, yeah, you know
what the bay is like one of the last LA
used to have. And when I tell people that LA
is not black no more, they look at me like
I'm crazy. And what I mean is LA used to

(02:09):
have a really black presence, like black record stores. Remember
the record stores and stuff a liquor stores are grown
by black people. I said, you had sold food restaurants everywhere.
El said, It's just.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Not like that anymore. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I was just gonna say the game changed a lot
in all of black communities out here California, keeping the Honted.
You know, at the beginning, it was all black on
everything that we had going on. In our cities. Feel
me that eventually gifation happy people started moving out, you
know what I'm saying, Shout out to the Latino community.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
They came on for so you know, things shanged.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
F Yeah, I could definitely remember growing ups in content
and uh, it's seeming to be more mom and tops.
Black related associated a style, whether it's burger stands or
record stores or ice cream parlors or whatever. You know,

(03:07):
there was a significance of black ownership barbecue places, you
know like that. And like you said with I don't
know if it is. I don't know if it's because
of the generational the generations that have been established throughout
and people I don't know, you know, because I never

(03:28):
thought as a kid that I would be another place
you feel me, But thus came along that generation who
felt like I need to relocate for whatever reasons. It
may have been relocation from getting out of prison. Mama's

(03:51):
feeling like, you know, the streets is becoming a little
too rough. We need to move about, motherfucking you know,
places of where you grew up or lived, where grandma
places were getting uh, you know, we're getting bulldozed over
and reconstructed and uh, us we're giving people the ultimatum

(04:14):
of uh of either relocate or lose your motherfucking place
of residency.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you know, that's what changed the dynamic.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
And just like you said, no, no disrespect to my my,
my Latino people, some of those situations were established, and thus,
you know, you got one. You know, it's just like
when when the white people lived in Camp back in
the days and back in the.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Day, and the black people.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Were giving the opportunity to come in and buy homes,
and you know, and what do they do. You know,
like they say that that that that fright flight. You know,
they got about it there, and like you said, I.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Don't know, it was the same, It wasn't the same
situation as Thus, you know, motherfucker just feeling like shit,
I need to get out of Content or I need
to get out of Oakland, or I need to get
out of Long Beach or whatever, because from what I've
seen since you know, my mom's been here since the
sixties or seventies, you know, never felt that she could

(05:19):
have the opportunity to relocate. Let's just say some people
didn't want to, you know, but yeah, some people don't
want to leave. You have some people who you know
reside in the city and people who are proud of
that heritage of growing up in Compton, and you know,
ownership of homes and you know, I know a few people,

(05:42):
you know, mothers and fathers and grandfathers still own property
and live in content and you know, to a few
neighborhoods where you know, black people are still significant on
their block, you know, as far as but again, you know,
thus when you get those opportunities to relocate, you know,

(06:04):
some motherfucker is left and that just gave the opportunities
for our our homies to move in and they start
establishing the eraor you know, their businesses and their mother
fucking establishments and all of that. So now when you
look up and you grow go through the city, you know, yeah,

(06:25):
it may be you know, shit eighty percent of shit
is is is changed.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You feel, tell here, wat's this.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
We either get gentrified out, well we quote unquote gentrify
ourselves out because I'm gonna keep it a hundred.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Hey, let's just give an example. Pipes might have owned
the barber shop.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Your pipesmightter owned the biber shop and catching forty five
years when he got older, too old to run the shop.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Was like, man, hey, we're gonna start cutting his hell
what's up? Hey? By hell?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, I'm about to be a weapon. So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna become apart. It's stay in the neighborhood.
I'm about to ever take the family legacy something else.
So keep a real quote unquote recipeace nipsey hustle. I
did my own version of a nick you hustle where
I moved out of a neighborhood on the bed ach.
But it's us Brady park on a little short and

(07:17):
so on a little short or somebody watch you through there.
But this is which it's a real notatory. It is
fine to tell that's good. Exactly watched this he wasn't
even it had a few projects, but most of it
it was all homes. So it was it was it
was niggas who had playing both carricks, who was just
going outside crying, you know what I'm saying. And so

(07:38):
we had a family neighborhood like everybody knew everybody this
is such and such can check you miss tea such
and such around the corner and somebody else Mama, she
can call your mama, and he's gonna have problems. The
point was is that when your neighborhoods got cramped infested,
that's when it was too dangerous. Miles might have went
to take it to the other side of the town.

(07:59):
But long story, shorter man and keep the real. I
had a legacy. My gradparents owned the plopper fifty years
of spraining plug and it was on me and my
five years ago were selling we do we keep it?
You know, keep real. I put my five years into it.
We didn't ekept it every since. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
But it's just that you ain't getting the gang.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Some people believe that when it's time to leave, it's
time to leave, versus I want to preserve what we
have and then be able to go wherever I'm gonna
go still keep it with me at some ownership. Yeah,
I'm gonna tell you what they did in Cleveland, And
they did this a lot of places on the Cleveland
Clintic put pretty much gangs to the whole bunch of
black families out of their own right. Because what happened

(08:43):
was like on the East Side, and you've been in
Cleveland a lot. I was raised, like in between Superior
Avenue and Saint Clair, right, they Ralph under five and
everything as far back as I remember, was always black
owned our groceries, throw is black owned our liquor store,
barbershop and all. It was a black faces in the

(09:03):
collar or Puerto Rican people because it ain't like you know,
shout out to the Latino people like on the eighth said.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But what they did was, man, they did a real grimy.
They were either coming around trying to offer people real
low prices for their houses, like because they know a
lot of them. People bought them houses back in the
seventies for fifteen twenty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars in
certain cases and fix them up and move their families
in them. Right, that's when they had the jobs to

(09:31):
steal meals and auto plants and stuff like that. And
what happened was when crack hit, it kind of really
tore the community up, man, because I remember kids used
to be outside jumping rope, you know, hopscotch.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And and stuff. Man, homies out there.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I used to play football, you know street light the
street I remember used to go street like the street.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Light playing football all night. Yep.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That got replaced by man. You see, the hummy pull
up one day. Man, he's driving the dukes in the
corner of this dude fourteen years old. You'd be like, man,
whose cars you win?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
This mine?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
He got a pocket full of money? You asking him
how he do it? He putting you on twenty five
off hundred.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know what I'm saying. You see this, you get
twenty five off every hundred that you make. Right. But
that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So what we're doing at that time, whether we knew
it or not, was knocking down the property value.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's almost like all.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
This shit was strategic, man, because when they took my house,
I was raised in Man. My mama and Daddy Man
built that house pretty much in the ground up. When
they first bought that house, I remember, I was like,
how we go live? And there was a big hole
in the front forest dog it was wolls knocked down.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
My pops and the fewest homeboys put that motherfucker together
and put a drop remember the drop ceilings, Dad and
hid child in them and put that in there. Man
in the in the wall, fake wood walls and ship
man and they did all that. But that was our home.
You know what I'm saying, That we got we was
raising at me and my brothers. My mama told me

(11:08):
when I asked her what happened with crib, she said,
they said that we owe taxes. They took our house
man over like three hundred dollars in taxes. Doog the
Cleveland clinics, they did everybody ship like that if you
didn't know, because my mama moved up the hills and
when her my stepdad got divorced, he even gave the
house her. She wasn't tripping off of that. She bought
something else somewhere else, so they killed her. They send

(11:32):
the letters to the house that they don't know nobody
live here, right and after so much time, nigga just
come take the house from you, bro, you can't do
nothing about it. They did a whole people like that man.
And watch this fearious farris in uh in uh poison.
The hood told us about this before that fris Lime
and when he stood out of the yes was giving

(11:53):
them the game about ration, although it never that norse.
Fitzhbrin said that, but you know it's dope that first
of all, Hipop just try fifty two. We as fifty
enough did had this kind of a conversation as hip
hop ex yet and it's kind of important man to like,

(12:18):
I always like checking the history and stuff like this
because it can happen again, man. But we got to
start doing is kind of gentrifying our own communities, right
because a lot of us man wasn't really versed in
shout out to what you did. Man, you're taking over
your grandparents property. A lot of us wasn't versed and

(12:38):
really going to go invest in property and stuff like that,
because I know. The first thing I did when I
got me a little bit of money, man, is go
buy some rims. I want to spend twenty two thousand
dollars on a pair on a set of rims. Where
you educated enough though, when you educated enough as a
young man to feel that you were knowledgeable enough to

(13:02):
when you got your first check twenty thirty thousand and
forty thousand, that you have the knowledge to go, you
know something, fucked guy in some rims and a whip
and get me a chain or whatever. She's gonna take
this twenty rand and invest in something, or or should
I go back home and buy one of them low

(13:24):
income properties that they got all over Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Maybe buy me two of them upfuckers. And that's that's
the problem with a lot of and I don't want
to say niggas was just dumb, but we just wasn't.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Education no better. We didn't we weren't. You get me,
Like if a nigga told me if.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I knew any veteran was educated. And even though moms
had a great job, you give me pops had a
decent job working at you know, working for General Motors
and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I never had had, uh the knowledge to do that
shit At that age, you feel, well, kick the honey, Hey,
what you what you do with your first check off
of that cop the most wanted alum?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
That blue tape, that blue tape?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh shit, I probably didn't even have but a couple
of dollars. So I did, like what every nigga in
the neighborhood would do, you know what I'm saying. Shit,
put some rims or put some daytons on the cutlass,
maybe go buy a quarter pound or weed or some
shit and try to get off.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And and and.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
They survived with South Central shit. And you get meal
was nothing else.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I wasn't shit.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Niggas you're talking about eighteen nineteen years old nigga. I'm like, shit,
dating's on the cutlast. You know what I'm saying, nig
gonna buy some stuff, Maybe get him a quarter pound
and a half a pound a weed. Try to get
off like that, because like niggas, we wasn't financially set
for a nigga to change his ways in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
You get me. I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I wasn't mentally set as a grown man to be
like you get me, let me stay out the hood
and let me stop carrying pistos and you know, let
me stop getting pulled over by the police. And I
still fit the description because I went to the neighborhood
every other day and I wanted to be the same

(15:28):
nigga I was before making records. And like I said,
I had the knowledge to go buy some urda or
go buy some yay.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
You get me. That was my fucking street knowledge. You
getting me? I said, My father looked for General motors.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
You know, they had a nice home or whatever, nice
couple of cars. Moms worked as a single mom and
then what she had to do. But I grew up
in powerful You feel me. The fans of butts we
didn't have. We didn't have because my mom's wasn't one
of the motherfuckers who felt like, Okay, nigga, you got two.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Kids over here, so used to have kicked up bread.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
She was like, fuck it, let me go all out
here to not even to not even deal with the
motherfucking issues, you know, because back then there was no
there was no support for the for the single woman
or the battered woman or whatever whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So a lot of us had to watch that ship.
So in order for her to not you know now that.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Nigga don't need shit, I got, my kids don't want
because she so I didn't have that knowledge of what
would have been taught if everything was great in the home.
And you know what I'm saying, I was raised in
the motherfucker streets because moms had to work, So my
knowledge came from the street, like we were called yeah

(17:07):
or you.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Was probably one of the first in y'all, both of
y'all generations to break that curse because you get you
know what I'm saying, None of our families was telling
us how to think about fifty years from now, Like
I don't I.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Don't want to say it was a curse because I've
had I've got relatives and cousins back down south in
Mississippi who weren't and own their homes and and you
know all that. But again, the family structure was different
than what I had.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't you get me.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
When I went back down the reunions, you know, it
was like I don't not to quote it, but you know,
it was way different than what I was experiencing in California.
Then if I grew up in Court, Mississippi with my relatives,
you get me, Claire. You said that I probably would

(18:01):
have been school different because I had the bigger circle
of family around, and you know, it might have not
been no wrap path. And we know then, Nigga, you
go to high school, you go to college, and if
you come home, you get a job at the refinery,
at the ore refinery or.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Somewhere doing construction or building.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
So life would have been different, and I probably would
have been taught different. But when I'm growing up in
Content and I'm seeing niggas invest in the Ya and
my father is three thousand miles away because he's living
his life in another state and Moms is working her
ass off every day, I don't have that. You know, Now,

(18:44):
Nigga's not dumb, right, Like we go to school, niggas
like I ain't getting s on my report card.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I'm getting good grades. But still I'm seeing is influencing
me more.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Than you know men you should get you a job.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
And they be investing some property and become a woopy walk.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
No, I was seeing niggas hustling, pull up.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
In brand new El Caminos with Dayton's on them, and
you know, Alpine dashes and sound systems and all the
motherfucking senior pretty bad bitches at schools, the niggas who
was serving, and every nigga hit the corner and got
a new this and knew that and WoT he woke.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
And then niggas ain't getting that ship from going to
school every day and going to college. And what's the
difference because half seventy five percentities niggas is living better
than my partial living.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
When we get that to your bill, when you said
the right thing that number one, Both sides of my
family had property right even in the down South.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
You let me talking about somebody saying the bros down
South slow. They never was slow. We just talked about that. Man.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Most of my family had property when I went down
to my family in Memphis, tent and six. So I
go to Memphis for six months. All my teams and
uncles got houses. You know what I'm saying. Ain't nobody
living in the projects. You get know what I'm saying.
But what I was talking about was us as Blacks,
when our keeping, when we get to a certain age,
we don't have wheels or we don't have fruss, so

(20:21):
that you set the next generation up. Otherwise the next
generation just gonna sell it, dismantle, give everybody some money
and just go their own directions. You gotta pay it
off you. You gotta pray it off property. Y'all should
be doubling and tripling. And you know what I'm saying, flipping.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I tell you what really helped me.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
You know had rap music, I had football or right,
football helped me get out of Cleveland, right, And when
I got out, I started experiencing different things and talking
to different people. I actually, you know recipees Coach Shaw,
my coach should long beat City College.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
He kind of took me up to Orange County and
took me in because you know, I didn't have much.
My parents didn't have no whole bunch of money. Sent
me out there with right. So, you know, in talking
to people like him growing up, I started learning different
paths and different ways to do stuff. So when I
did have my children, me and my wife immediately taught

(21:21):
them the importance to having correct credit score and keeping
that credit and not going out smoking the credit off,
you know, because when I got to the point where
I was ready to buy a house, I had to
go spend maybe seven eight thousand dollars just to clean
my credit up with all kinds of stuff I didn't
really even know I had on there. You know, you
getting cars because you don't get really the financial education.

(21:44):
So when I'm in college, you remember they used to
have the signs at the school the people come set
up for Discovery car and just getting somebody a credit card.
You sign up for it. Next thing, you know, you
go to your mailbox. You got you a car with
a five hundred dollars limited on there, and you just man,
you burning that motherfucker out, you feel what I'm saying,
Or you're gonna pay the minimum on that shit every month?

(22:05):
I think back, you know it's ten dollars a month minimum.
You know, I don't want to spend four hundred dollars,
but it's gonna take me twelve months to pay it off, right.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I just didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So by me going through that, I started really explaining
that my kids man about the importance of having good
credit and even learning to the point to where me
and my wife had put all our kids on our
credit cards, right, we got them cards even if we
can let them have them, because with people don't know
it's you can actually feel your kids credit up like that.
Like if you got a credit card and let's say

(22:36):
you got a son this in high school or whatever,
and you put them on that car that you're paying
on time, his credit is gonna go up, right, his
credit grows up so when he gets readed like man,
my oldest son got like an eight to fifty credit score,
my other son got like a seven twenty five, my
daughter got one, and we always stressed them the importance
of keeping your credit right. Right, and as far as

(22:59):
the pride for the game homeowner ship, I think we
in the displace now dog to where I tell everybody
buying a house is cool, but you got to buy
a house at the right time, because sometimes you better
off just renting somewhere right, because you never really go
own like It's like now I own the condo, right
own the townhouse. Theoretically, man, I'm not whoever own this land.

(23:25):
It's ten more houses a taxed to mine. So you know,
I can sell list or whatever, but I'm always have
to pay taxes on it. Even if I pay it off,
I'm have to pay taxes. And who's to say that
one hundred years from now somebody actually owned the land
that's up under the house and say, hey, man, we
gonna y'all got thirty days to move that shit out
of there, get the house moved, or we gonna come

(23:46):
and knock all that shit down. So it's all kind
of a game, right, And you got to pick your voice.
And that's why when you talk about our people down south,
mean you talked about that yesterday. They always wanted to
pict brothers down south was being slow. But some of
the most astute people I know with Southern people facts,
thinking about the uncles and the aunt as we got

(24:07):
down south, all of that broke. All of them went
down south, they all gamed up.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
But in they all way.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, we would say out here at Cali, getting it
from a different way, because keep it real. The cost
of living is crazy a call, so we had to
learn and hustle at a whole other level versus the
laid back, kickback element of the South. And like I saying, Man,
this salute to this as our you know, first project
that we're talking about, you know, home ownership and in

(24:38):
the level where you know, financial stability.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
To our culture. You know what I mean. We could
have definitely.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Spent his time talking about all kinds of hip hop ship,
but we did the same time really building on the
ship that our culture needs to hear.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So, like I said, I'm ford to keep doing this
with y'all. He's just a.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Warm up to the player moment. Yeah, man, you know
the thing he was. Man, One thing I don't want
to do is ever talk bad about hip hop broke
because it did a lot of good. Hip hop did
a lot of good for our community too. You feel
what I'm saying. It had people hope, new hope right
outside the cracks, outside of athletics and stuff like that. Man,

(25:19):
I think what it was, man, I think all black people. Man,
we got motivated based off what we saw. If we
saw the homie outside man that had dukes and the quartermen.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
And he was laid back, had jewry o.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Man. We had dudes in the neighborhoods that look like superstars.
I know if we had that in Cleveland, off for shore,
Compton has some shit. Not No, Oakland had to have
some ball as dudes up there, man, But y'all have
a Felix Mick with all them dudes brought millions. There
was millionaires at eighteen twenty years old in the in
the eighties, in the.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Nineties, and that's what I'm saying, millionaires for real. You
didn't want to straw family structure. And you know your
moms was a single moms in you was living there,
and you know situations that would choose you to, you know,
take that road you saw it playing this.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Like I said, the difference of probably being in Campton
and being in.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Gulfport, Mississippi, is you still got a lot of family
structure going on.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
You're getting in counting shit, nigga.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
My Maa's was a single parent having to go to
work and see like a motherfucking you know what I'm saying. Still,
it's like you jumping on the butt right.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
You're coming from Cletan and the nigga dropped you in
in motherfucking Hollywood, nigga for the first time, and you
seeing stars and you seeing the nightlife, and just like
you saying, nigga dropped you off in Long Beach, California.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
And Nigga, you walk to a community college to play.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Football, and still your motherfucking mind set was you get that.
That's the old. That's the old. That's the old. That's
what you have to overcome.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
As so far as me growing up in Gulf Court, Mississippi,
and my grandfather working getting up every morning, he got
a farm, and my cousins is working and they doing this,
and and my cousins is going to school and they
getting good grades. And my aunt till your ass or

(27:35):
my uncle whooped your ass getting trouble and you better
not be you.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Know, cops smoking no weed or no shit, got it?
You know it?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Not just staying that ship is the but it was different.
You get rules from mos Graves on that ship. But
still when you living and didn't count.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Then and you got to go to work for eleven
at nine to seven in the morning, and then you
got a mother's fucking young son and a young daughter
and then niggas outside and shooting you going to school,
niggas is getting jumped and they gang and seeing niggas
down the street hustling, pulling up in fancy.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Cars, and they don't have nobody telling me you better
not go down the street hang with them niggas. You
get me, don't have no auntie living two doors down,
and then the other four doors down from that, and
then my grandmama living around the corner looking out the.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
House, like, nigga, what the fuck you call?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
You might get more fucking ass back home, and where
you think you're finna go around the corner with.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Them, gluelands is hanging at you get me. That's that real,
that that structure.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And we might have had that growing up as young kids,
like you know what I'm saying, if I got caught ditching,
you know, the neighbors would tell my moms or whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
But that shit started to deplete you getting the crack
there fifteen six weeks old. I don't give a fuck
what you're saying, nigga. And by this I'm more influenced
by what I see down the street.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Than remembering those values that.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Was talked to my mom that she tried to you though, nigga,
you fuck up, I'm gonna go get the switch off
tree and whoop your ass because you got trouble.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's but that's what we say. Or even if difference
from me in Oakland. Number one, my grandparents both was
from the South. One was from Georgia, wants from Texas,
so they came with the South values to the town.
But the difference is ever miss around our building. It's
hit it real. When we came in the house, it

(29:46):
was some Southern value. As soon as you walk out there, No,
it's a pretty fuck baby everything what you said, Hey, mothers,
get us, get stabbed, of of us, get knocked out,
don't he is sold all that right outside around the
bring hi.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But they keep it real.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
When I when my family started to see I was
going in the wrong direction in the hood, they shipped
me to the South and basically I got all them morals,
like all day every day from milky Rock and even
listening short for six months, I had to listen to gospel.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
And you know what, though, we all made that pilgrim
mixed down soft man. I remember getting the car we
used to drive everywhere, wasn't no flying. We used to
get in the back of the car and you just
go on that long two day trip. Man. Next thing,
you know you down down south right, But check out.
I know you got a road Chuck. Man.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I appreciate you coming home.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Uh, you know we're.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Gonna skin man, just just a warm up plans and
when we work to separate from some stuff and establish
a Bay Area connection. Man. I appreciate you though. Man,
we can get you. Hey, make sure take my boy
check out man on so Be TV then SOLB TV
or solbnetwork dot com. Okay, sure check we on you man,

(30:57):
all right one, I sure make.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Man, that was the homie home Chuck Johnson from the
Bay So it would be been around for a long time, thog.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, it's been a.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's been a killer as far as you know the
Bay Area and supporting hip hop and music and whatever.
So yeah, it's one of those one of those old
school favorites. So Be too, Black Ome Man, one of
the first video network, probably the first video networking on
the West Coast, to be honest with you, eazy coming

(31:34):
up there, like everybody used to fall through up there,
you know, open open to major town.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
You know what I'm saying it's a major pipeline as
far as hip hop is concerned. And especially like in
those days between the end of the nineties and the
middle the beginning of the two thousands, you know, record
labels were still record labels to me, and uh so

(31:59):
there were certain places that you had to dip through
if he was on that promotion Overron and so Be
TV was one of.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Them, you feel me, So like going like going to
a rap city or.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Going to a you know, pump it Up or going
to a your MTV raps or some shit like that.
So you know, I'm looking at us to do something
like that to try to bring them experiences back then,
because you got it, like the whole thing about it,
like we talked about it in the last episode, swin't
gonna get into it too much now, you know, we
ain't gonna have the hip Hop Awards no more. We

(32:33):
gotta start taking care of stuff within our culture, man,
because the thing about it is, height don't nobody value
our culture. Our culture has just looked at is if
it ain't making you no money, don't nobody give a
damn a body but you, sir, I said, we gotta
start taking care of our own culture, man, because it's
one of them things where if you're not making no

(32:55):
money for a corporate America, don't give a fuck about you.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Once it's once it's not financially viable, no more, man
or making millions of dollars, it's kind of like they
move on the other stuff. You know what I was,
I was really thinking about me and Chuck was having
this conversation the other day and we were talking about
like just the solvement and now you're the South, don't
really came up. Kind of bro, Every black person I

(33:21):
noticed in the South is doing real good for myself, man.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Exactly. It's like I said, just different, just different.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like I said, like you don't want to discredit what
you know as far as you know, being raised on
the West Coast and I give everything to you know,
ground up in content and all of that.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Like I said, you know, you don't know what your
life would.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Be like, you know, differently because a lot of our
people migrated from the South.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know what I'm saying, Man, there's.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Different values or whatever, and so you know a lot
of people who are hard working and you know, regular motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
They they are they're successful, you feel me.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
You don't see a lot of bullshit that go on
with hard working people.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Hey. You know what, though, you might have still been rappid,
but your stories might have been way different then, you
know what I'm saying. You might have been down there
with well look John and them screaming on some ship.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Out of it.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
If I would they lay down South but been on
a whole different kick, I probably would have been on
a swords kick or or some kind of you know,
building construction ship, or probably even enjoined the military.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Being down you.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Don't know, or you might have been down there just
like you probably still spent this spending next g ship,
but been like more like scarface, you know what I mean? Right,
you just never knew because they still had to struggle
down on them. No, you know the South had some
big d boys down there too.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
People We boys everywhere though. You know what I'm saying,
Who you was, what type of neighborhood that you was?
When was dope started moving, it just started moving.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well you can almost save me. You know, we'd all
start to put a lot of homies out there like that.
A lot of the Southern hip hop was started from
the street. Shit dogs came from the street. Money was
financed by a street bridge, you know what I mean.
A whole lot of record labels popping ship in the nineties.
How many records that you record label that you see

(35:34):
in the nineties niggas had double page ads and the
sores and dog niggas just coming from out of nowhere
with double page as, double page ad and the sores
up and you like it was this and there's some
care from Dallas and Mississippi somewhere. Man, with one of
them pen and pixel album covers, you know, too dirty

(35:55):
and the get.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Low gang and all that shit.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You know what I'm saying, That niggas would pick booms
on there with diamond is when they make and shit
them pin of pixel covers used to be a motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It used to be crazy as a motherfucker. H That
was that era of flossy, that's of blankness. You know,
everybody had their out and coverage blinging and shining, and
I was just h that was just the South. You
feel me, Sony.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Ever, try to get you to jump on any of that,
like start saying, man, we go, we want you to
start wearing some jewelry.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
And all that shit put that so only uh, pretty
much let a nigga be who I was. They just
didn't know how to promote my type of beausey because
that wasn't fair era. So they never had suggestions on
what I should do or be or whatever whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
They just, you know, they just didn't know how to
market my type of music because it wasn't their their
get down, you get what they made for take as
they had. Oh you know Son, he had a whole
bunch of pop people over there. Then when he was
over there, whom did so well? Epic basically Epic had right.

(37:13):
They had Pearl Jam, they had shar Day. I think
they was fucking with Shop of Ranks and whoever else
over the you know, R and B years who sustained Epic.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I think, you know, they were trying their hands.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Out of hippop, but it wasn't successful at Epic. They
the only thing, you know, they had jumped on the
battle ram at the end of It's you know a run.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
That's one I asked Todd, how did you make it
to Eptic?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Because you know, Todd started off with the mixtape, then
he went to heat him and then he went to Epic,
but they didn't have any If you want to say
black music, they black music at the time.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
It was Michael Jackson. And if you want to consider
shar Day as far as hip hop, did you ever
get to meeting should I think anybody? Hell No, they never.
You ain't never try to collaborate with them. No, And
I never asked. And because that was in my field.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Now, I could have probably sampled some shar Day, which
would have been good at.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
The Hey, that sounded hard. Actually give me an idea
right now, though, But no, I never I never asked
the executives.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Hey, man, I want to meet Michael Jackson or whatever
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know, just being a band was good enough for me.
But like I said, Epic didn't know you know, what
they were dealing with. It wasn't like they were a
fucking death.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Jam or they were like Priority or even Gibe so
to speak. You know, only was like one of the motherfuckers.
We got the money to try, and so fucking we
gonna do it too, But you don't. It's like they
look at another nigga build a car and go, well,
we got money to build one two, but it never

(39:12):
come out right because even though you've got the money, nigga,
you don't know what you do, It don't matter because
the motherfucking money. If you don't hire a motherfucker or
put niggas in tune with how to really build or
get car, this shit gonna come out fucked up every time.
Well you know what, You know why labels like this

(39:33):
Jam and all them flourished and even the reason why
Interscope did good. Now this is gonna be sound crazy, right.
Even though Jimmy Ivan wasn't necessarily a rap nigga, Jimmy
I even was one of the best engineers in the
game and knew hour shit was supposed to sound right,
so he had enough sense to work when he heard Drake,
he knew that was the shit. You feel what I'm saying,

(39:54):
and he knew that that was right. You know what
I'm saying because I do think that if a person
has an inarfrom music, they got to hear from music,
even if they come from a rock background a heavy
metal background, because if you know music, you can listen
with sound right. You feel what I'm saying Like this,
I know that even though I'm not necessarily the biggest

(40:15):
rock and roll fan, the world too, But I like
a lot of classic rock and rolls, so I know
what sounds good rock wise like, because you gotta remember it.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
We came from here. I can remember when it wasn't
no old but hip hop records.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I'm pretty sure you liked the music too, before rap
really started cracking or there.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Was no hip hop, you know, if you want to
take it back to when the nigga was maybe an
adolescent to you know, from the time you started understanding
music on the radio or what was being played at
your unties or your mama's stereo.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know, there was no rap.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
There was you know, shit like the Commodores, you know,
and you didn't hear that on the radio too much.
You know, it was Teddy Pendergrass and the Common and
you know, the Jackson five and the Jackson's.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And then we had some Luther Vandros and then you know,
my auntie used.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
To bang some Millie Jackson, some Top, some Tyrone Davis,
some Bobby Blue Bland.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
You know, some of those.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
That's where the snippling game comes from. That's what I
was gonna say. We played music in our house. I
didn't listen to the radio exact bunch of records.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I didn't start listening to the radio until probably, you know,
maybe when I was around nine ten. And from there,
you know, with the introduction of GIMTV, and you know,
we had shit like Kiss FM with Rick D's and
shit like that. Then they had the Top forty count

(41:47):
Down on the weekends with Casey Kanaan or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
That dude was, and it was all pop music. It
was all Duran, Duran, Pat Benatar.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Uh, you know, it was all Journey and mother fucking
you know, fucking shit like that Madonna, you know, strickling
a little Michael Jackson with with with that type of ship.
But that's what they played on on pop radio, and
that's what you saw every day on him Beat.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
You remember the time, man, when we was like kids, right,
do you remember the time that where people would be
playing Madonna in the hood like some of her records.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I never recalled that because you go too many places
growing up in Campden.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It was my neighborhood where I grew up at, riding
bikes to the dairy and shit like that. And then, uh,
by the time I came of age, niggas had eight
tracks and cossettes, so you weren't get me niggas. In
my neighborhood where I grew up, they were banging, you know,

(42:56):
iqua boogie in Parliament, like I say, in that type
A lot of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I remember me and.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Now I say that we had homies who had started
to DJ, and they would like play some Tears for Fears,
like some shot shall let it all out. That stuff,
the stuff with the big beating the dough, you know,
with the bob you feel me. They would do that
and kind of blend in. We started getting like because

(43:24):
the big record in our neighborhood hip hop wise, but
the show was the Douggy fresh and slick bixed stuff.
And really just Ice was huge in our neighborhood. Man
just Ice was so big in Cleveland dog Booker, banded
Bs and LaToya and all that stuff. Like LaToya was
the first record I heard from him. Who that just Ice,
just Ice Loot LaToya.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I started getting hip to music, basically rap music by
taking trips to Mississippi, like an older.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Cousins, you know, and them being you know, closer to
the East coast. You know, I was in California, so
we wasn't really experiencing, but I would know he had
a lot of New York ship.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
That's why I heard that the just Ices and the
motherfucking treacherous threes and you know, the the motherfucking DJ
you know, the request lines and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So I started coming.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Back on going to Paramount Swamp meet and buying twelve
inches because moms had a you know, she had the
record player, and so I would buy twelve inches. That
was my first experience with the hip hop and from
there just you know, being able to expand from there
and go, well, damn, you know, now I'm here and

(44:45):
this nigga and this nigga, and I'm listening to all
type of motherfuckers that I'm going to the mother for
the swap meeting.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'm the inquiry. I'm just where's the new rap shit?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
And they would point you to a motherfucking case and nigga,
you will go through there and then be all kinds
of records. Boogie I found a Boogie Boys fly girl,
and you know, I found a request line, and I
found motherfucking radio activity and digger shit that was me.
Anything that was REP I wanted it because it was

(45:15):
I didn't even here. I used to give me some
REP music exactly. So you know, that's why I said
the influences, it became different and.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Unfortunately, like you know, once once you made Joe, like
you said, once you got introduced to that underground.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Life, you know, it kind of took you off that that.
I don't know, who knows what you would have become
if you.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Know, more than anything, Man, football was my main thing,
but I always really liked music, Man always. I came
from a real musical household. Like I said, we didn't
listen to the radios. My mama would stack a bunch
of forty fives. Remember they used to stack forty fives
in the drop check. Do that with twelve inches Man,
and have the way they just dropped. You know, the

(46:03):
records drop on top of each other, and.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
You stack them on top of the little Day and
once one finished, the other one dropped down being gone.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It was just like Man, So we had the That
was the first playlist to be real with you, they
stick a whole bunch of records on top of each other.
I remember I would get my ass whooped though, if
I would go in there messing with my mama's record players,
scratching her records up. I remember when Scratcher first started, Man,
I was trying to scratch on my mama's turntables. Man,
and I remember I missed her burried white up. She

(46:32):
whopped my ass though, Oh yeah, I didn't attempt that,
you get me. I tried all that I knew. There
was DJ turntables and ship the motherfuckering some old phonography guys.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, and we had this looked like a motherfucking looked
like a dresser. And shit what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
We had this ship like a dresser. You pushed down
on the top and ship lift up. But then my
uncle came home. Man, he went to the army. Right,
every nigga that came went to the army came home
with a bomb ass stereo system because I guess wherever
it was, they was giving niggas credit for a TV
and a stereo system. Yeah, I got into I got

(47:11):
into the big stereos around thirteen, and I had Marl
Boley one for my birthday. Nigga, I had motherfuck sixteen inch.
How you know your dad the house Speaker's nigga that
had the big app. I got niggass house Speaker's nigga.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There. You had the motherfucking app.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
You had the mothers fucking the tuner, the app and
then the cassette player, double cassette player with it. Nigga
and I used to be in that motherfucker maut Rome's
full fit. That's when nigga Motherfucker Too Short was on
the Nigga that Freaky Tales.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yep, that was it, right, niggas. You know what in that.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Utfo nigga, we was baying out bayon Utfo.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Curtis Blow you know, Fat Boys was the ship.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
At the Run DMC, I was cool with uh uh
suck MC's and rock Box.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
That was my favorite.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah you know what, man, I'm gonna keep it one
hundred with you. Outside. I did like Run DMC, but
they probably wasn't my most favorite group. I was kind
of as crazy as this sound. When they did the
Aero Smith shit, I kind of stopped liking them that
this seemed like to me, I like that, I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I never liked man, they you know, because I guess everybody.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Once they got to a certain status, they they did
the commercial ship, you feel me.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I didn't know what that was at the time, but
I didn't like that though. I was like that's like
my nigga told Look, he hit us with the wild
Fact You feel Me?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
That was one of the biggest white songs and shit whatever.
But I was never a white wild thingg motherfucking you know.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I didn't drive around in my car, man, but I
ain't mess with I'm gonna tell you what. Yeah, punk
cuts on his album, That's what.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I was gonna say. I'm gonna tell you what I
messed with man with you know, like.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
You said niggas went with that commercial like one DMC
when with d Al Smith walked this way.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm gonna tell you what I messed with from Tone Look, Man,
I really messed with the one. I messed with his
verse on We All in the same game. He had
this song on his first album, man to Where He Is?
Sample was that allowed me to play if I made
I thought that was hard. Yeah, he had some cuts.

(49:39):
I didn't mess with the commercial stuff. But Tone Look
definitely has some cook But ship he.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Was called Tone Look.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I think Tone Look was actually the first probably crip rapper.
Oh no, he definitely was official.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Because I'm gonna tell you when I went to New
Mexico State, I had a homeboy named Listen Rinker that
he used to always shout out to my boy Atlas.
He used to always keep some shit going. My nigga
was from Riverside and he was from sam Bernardino, always
kept some shit going. We was in the hotel about
to play Heroes on the State Tone loc and then
was out there feeling posse that movie, remember that Cowboy

(50:16):
movie with Drew Down malling them. I was upstairs in
the tower and my boy Atlas start some shitty gonna
tell tone Lok Hey, Tone, look, my boy big Steel
right here, the real look he had come down there
and smash you now, and Tone Low looked fancy at
all I see is up, big folk head motherfucker that
nigga don't want no problems and walked on. We thought

(50:39):
that shit was so funny though, with nigga just darting.
We just starting laughing, man, And I was to this
day don't know why the homie kicked all that shit off,
but I thought that was funny because Tone Low looked
at me and said that slick shit and nit breaks
dride and went right on to what he was going
to go do.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Typical la nigga. They ractly typical la dude.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I just think, man, like, right now, we in this
weird ass place right with rep to where I think
all that shit is about to go back to the underground.
Dog niggas ain't making no money, that's streaming shit, don'na
fuck everything up. Man, You're starting to see you no
dog niggas is really starting to feel it.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
You see a lot of niggas, uh, you know, going
trying to go back to the hustle off, you know,
having their own links and you know, pressing up their
own music.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I mean, if you if you got true fans and
you know they want to hear your own music, whether
it's five thousand and ten thousand and thirty thousand fans,
a million fans, if they true fans and they want
to hear your music, if you make it accessible to them,
I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to get it. Yeah.
I just think that that's important now. Man.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I knew I was telling some cats I'm working with them.
Like a lot of people seem to think that websites
are important nom more. I don't agree with that shit.
I think that we in the habit now that where
we depending too much of another mother fucker's platforms to
where if a motherfucker decided to cancel your Instagram, Acount
eight or your Twitter accounts.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You almost gonna be ass alid.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You gonna be like, damn well, it would be cool
to you know, have your all place where you can,
you know, let people know about your ship, where you can.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
You know, get online or go live and chat with
people for a few and do that. Now, Bro, you're
gonna do that. You know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Man, I'm gonna because I know I feel sites to
a certain degree. I actually got pretty good at that,
but it ain't my main thing.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
What we need to do.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
We need to make like an m C eights And
I talked about that with you before. We need to
make like an m C site that we got to
get a lot of this. You know a lot of
them talk. You know, you know, it's good to.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Talk about shit and come up with ideas, but then
it gets to a point where you gotta start pushing
ship into it.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Just start doing it, man.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Thing, bro can't tell everybody what you go do, either
magazine to steal your ideas like shid all the time,
hot man, I don't have so much shipstow and not
be like damn.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And the thing about it is the homies that got
big bread. Them niggas don't even give a fuck about
being oby. They'll say, oh, yeah, how you gonna do
this and do that? Crash you out, you do it,
and then they got the idea of how to twist
it for themselves and the next thing, you know, you're
gonna see it out here.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
That's the nigga right now. That's the king of that ship. Dog.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
He killed the whole homie shit Dog. He called the
homie up from there to listen to some ship. Though
I ain't gonna say no nigga's name, but you know,
I don't. I know, you don't want us to start
no shit on there. But he called the homie up
in there man to ask him his advice, and some ship.
The homie thirt playing his ship and showing them different ship.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
When I tell you, dude, when they switched this whole
album around dog and had that ship out a month later,
that's all right, just that quick, bro.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
You know, I told Homie he was kind of upset
about it.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I said, Man, I told you you can't go over
there because the thing is this man, when the motherfucker's
been doing this shit for as long as certain people
been doing it, I ain't gonna say they run out
of ideas. But people don't really go outside no more though,
Like some of these big major artists don't go nowhere
no more. Like dog you can think about, like let's
say take Snoop DOGG for example, Looke probably go do

(54:21):
its tours and go mess around that compound, but he's
very insulated.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Kind of.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, sometimes you gotta be though, you know, don't because,
like I said, regardless of what your attitude is and
how you feel about people and wanting to be accepted
or be just cool with motherfuckers, there's always gonna be
a motherfucker out there head and who just don't like you.
And so at that risk of not you know, running

(54:48):
yourself into that type of negative activity, a lot of
niggas just stay secluded.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'll go where the rich people go when a regular
nigga can't get to access, and then that's it. You
feel me as far as the normal and hoping that
I can still connect with regular people. Sometimes that got
to be on your own terms, and like that's when
a negga be like, fuck it, I'm just gonna invite

(55:14):
people here that I know and trust you get me.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
They keep them inside these walls before I have to
go outside and fuck with people and have to deal
with the situation that is infeasible.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, you know what, it's like.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
The thing is this right, And I tell everybody this,
we go at the really start as people may underpend
our value. Like I'm gonna tell you a prime example
that is what's going on to college football right now.
I come from the Football are Dolgy, where we was

(55:52):
always told it was about the team. It's about the
love of the sport, right, It's about this and that.
But now with these kids, now what they understand and
this is what kids been seeing for years. Okay, y'all
say this about the team. That ain't about no money.
But every time, you know, you get a coach that
recruits you do at college, he get a job, but

(56:12):
a school telling him, hey man, you was the defensive
coordinator over there, We're gona get a coaching job over here,
and we got another million before you. On top of that,
he gonna leave. He probably in most cases isn't even
gonna get to say goodbye to nobody. He is gonna
be gone. You're gonna rights. Man, what's coach such such said?
Oh he gone? Now man, I heard he over at
Mississippi State. Not right, So you tell a kid that, man,

(56:33):
But you're going to go get money with these kids now. Man,
it's like fucking pay me, because I'm gonna tell you
what's about to happen. This college football shit is all
about bread. Now a kid can go to school and
be a freshman somewhere and he come in instead of
signed the count, instead of signing the letter of intent,
they signing the contract now right at the d one school, right,
you'll get paid.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's amount of dollars a year. This is what you're
gonna get. Right.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It's almost like the school shit is an afterthought because
before they used to hit niggas. Well, you're getting education,
but you're making millions of dollars off of me, right,
And it's cool that I'm getting the education, but you
can really pay me when I'm worthing and I go
pay for my own school and go how that sound right?
You give me this couple of minute, this two or
three million I'm bringing to the university, and I go
pay for my own shit. Right, But now these kids

(57:18):
are saying, fuck cat, I want to pay so and
that kind of When it was, it was almost a
training ground for the NFL. Right, so when they get
to the league, they condition, right, they get their contract,
they tell you, hey, man, you only go get a
certain percentage of your jersey sales. You can't even negotiate that. Right,
these new kids gonna start negotiating all that shit. You
can see a lot of cats not playing football no more.

(57:40):
It's gonna get drafted and be like no uncle, because
they gonna already have bread.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Bro. It's some of these quarterbacks men. And college football
is making ten to fifteen million dollars already. Dog, they
making millions of dollars. And the kids nowadays with all
the shit they know about the brain, the issues with
the brain and football and all that shit. So these
kids is like, man, I'm cool, I'm not doing all that,
and you about to have me all you're fucked up,
looking crazy. We got fucked over eight. We didn't getting

(58:08):
no money, broll. You know what the NFL contract was.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
When I came out of school, man, when I came
out of New Mexican stated ninety two dollars. The average
NFL salary was one hundred thousan dollars. Me and you
both made more than NFL players did back then. Dog,
that shit didn't start getting bigger to like uh TV
contracts of start, you feel what I'm saying. And really,

(58:30):
when the USFL kind of start pushing the line and
giving cats all that money, you know what I'm saying,
that made them start taking care of the superstars. Men,
But it really wasn't I would say, men. For the
hell the Cats went through back then, it wasn't financially
worth a lot of dudes playing dog. That's why you
see dudes like Eric Dickerson now and certain people they

(58:50):
ain't necessarily as wealthy as we like to think they.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Are, you know what I mean. Now, that's why back
then you have to you know, probably invest, you know, best.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
In a couple of businesses, do something other ship you know,
I Magic Johnson got cracking, You get me? Oh yeah,
well you know what, Maxic And it's always gonna be outliers, right.
You always have people like Magic. You always gonna have
people like Emmitt Smith, but they gonna be very few
and far in between, you, Right, It's like even now
people think about professional football and they like to think

(59:23):
about it's just all this wealth.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
They like that.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Dog.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I know we're supposed to be back in the studio
next week.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Dog, I'm looking forward to getting back when we actually
in the same spot together. We gotta with the fly ship,
were about to start doing. Man, I know you coaching now, dogs,
you got to get the fuck on you decide to Hey,
y'all gonna tell you all right now as coaching football again.
And they cond is asking to do it again.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
They didn't got to con me. I was.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I was kind of influenced, you know by the fan
eat a lot no, you know, because you know, you
always have to, you know, check.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
In with people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
You know, I'm pretty sure still you can't just go
do shit and not you know, Hey, Maria, I'm I'm
finna go you whatever something you didn't so you now
company kid that that it's in college playing football, then
we're doing other ship, you know, have another responsibilities. You
just want to, you know, run it by people and

(01:00:28):
see and you know what they think. And you know,
after running by a few people and like I said, family,
friends and ship, it was more on the do it
side than it was on the adult do it side.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
And you know what, though, to be honest with you,
it's not a bad you're doing exactly messing with the uh.
I like the party about molding the kids. To be
honest with you, not to sound corny, but the UH.
See your kid come in the beginning of the season
that don't have that much comfort evident, and you look
up six weeks later he going down there breaking somebody off,

(01:01:05):
and he jumping up with his friends, and you got
to seeing me a whole different kid by the time
he leaves you, Like I had a kid named Jerry
yaik Ching. Jerry yaik Ching was a fixed mourning kid, right,
cousins and stuff to play in the program. He would
come out every year, get his spirit pack and bounce.
I just knew I would see in one the side
he'd get his spirit pack, dog wear his spirit packed

(01:01:27):
for two weeks and when past come on. Because I
found out later on that even though he was the
biggest Chris and them is bigger, he was actually.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Two years younger, right, So he was a little kid.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Right. Jerry came in and man that third year and
stuck through it, and he always played up with us, right,
and Jerry Yai ching Man. That was one of my
first football heartbreaks because Jerry played a pair of Mount
High School. Was a defensive player of the Year for
that concert that conference. You know, with pair of Mont
down he means and all of them. He had twenty

(01:01:59):
six sacks his senior year, Dog and had a scholarship
to the University of Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
His daddy died. Recipes for Homie. His daddy died.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Dog. He didn't want to play no more. I came
over the man with the pair of mon Man. He
was sitting on the porch, man with a radio, eating
some chicken. I said, Dog, why are you not in school?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Oh coach man. I just it wasn't the same when
his daddy was gone. You know what I mean, I
really know dog Jerry would have been he'd have made
it to the NFL. You know who he reminded. He
reminded me of Trey Jackson. He was a dude that
was like about six four or six five, and he
didn't have a typical some moon frame where he was
just real big and burley. He was about two seventy man,

(01:02:42):
nice and slender kind of you know what I mean,
And was just fast as hell and aggressive, and I think, man,
him playing up all them years kind of got him,
kind of got him going. Man, But that really broke
my heart. Man, It's like he lost his pops. And
you know, I used to feel in some ways, man,
like I was letting them kids down when I stopped, Man,
because I really feel like if I would have probably

(01:03:04):
stayed connected to him, dog, I could have kind of
kept him on the straight and narrow, you know what
I mean. Right, But at the same fact, you know,
you lose your father. Him and his father was close, dog,
and I was just I was really proud of him, man,
because I went and saw him. I went and saw
them play the mingas man. This was the year pair

(01:03:24):
of miunt almost made it to the like, almost made
it to the big things, you know what I mean?
Who was just in sack. He'd have been the first
round draft picked dog. If Hedne went to Miami Dog
and played three or four three years he came up
out of the dog, he'd have been, Man, Hurricanes Dog.
We'd have went down there and show it off and
begging for men. I know you got to get shaken dog.

(01:03:48):
We call later on all right, for sure, Jill were gone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
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