The Troy "SMACK" Mitchell episode

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(01:00):
rating the comment. We like to welcome every one to
another episode the Gainst the Chronicles Podcast. I got my
dog from comt and sit next to me shure today, Man,
we got a special guests on show eight, got a
couple of special guests, but we got the primary guests.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Man the dude.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Man is pretty much responsible for a lot of things
Man that you see going on today. Man often imitated,
never duplicated. Man, we got smack in the building. Yeah,
you know, no Man, when they hit me up, Man
for the thing, asked me if I want to do this?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I said, hell yeah. It don't need to be no question.
Y'all should just be calling me.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Asked me what day and what times? The chronicles many
I'm saying, you know, we gat up from the feed up.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
You know I have to check in, you know what
I mean, tap in with y'all. Man, what's up for Shell?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
For Shell for Shure? Man, So y'all got something going down?
Man on the end of this month. Man on the
twenty seventh, Man, it's like the Super Bowl for Battle
Wrap though.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
We're both for Battle Raps summer. Man, that's thirteen going
down August twenty seventh. You know what I'm saying, Houston, Texas,
I'm about to shake up the building. I'm about to
shake up the culture. I'm about to shake up the
city of Houston. You know what I'm saying. Houston is
just definitely like you know what I'm saying. One of
my favorite cities just due to the fact of all
the hospitality showed me every time I come through. You

(02:21):
know what I'm saying, And you know what I mean,
A lot of OG's come from you know what I mean,
that particular city.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
I just want to, you know, show my love and
my respect and my homage to you know what I mean,
the city of Houston. That's why I chose to actually
have the SAMMA man this thirteen event there this year.
You know, I always try to go to Houston one
time a year at least, you know what I mean,
just to you know, show the city some love.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
And it's time.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's time.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
It's time. August twenty seventh, we out there.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
You know what I mean, Houston is a live city.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Man. We don't kind of go back to your history, man,
because you've done so many pivotal things for the culture.
You one of those people man, when they look back
on the pantheonic hip hop man, when they paint that
picture man, whatever that looked like, they damn sure got
to leave the room for you at the table, dog because.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
You respectfully, like you know what I'm saying, Like, you
know what I mean, I put a lot of blood,
sweating tears. I dedicated my life to this shit, man,
So respectfully, my presence gotta be there, man, Like you
know what I mean, if it's real, if it's authentic,
if it's something you know what I'm saying, Like something
that's really official, I gotta be there, man, You know

(03:31):
what I mean, real, for.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Sure, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I want to ask you, man, before we go into
all your ventures and your accolades. Man, what was Smack
doing before the Smack DVD series?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Man, before the Smack DVD series? You talking to you
talking nineteen ninety nine and down. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
I was just basically, you know, coming up, cooking up
the master plan, you know what I'm saying, meditating, trying
to bring you know what I'm saying, this whole everything
that you're seeing into fuition, everything that you've seen. I
basically was in the process of, like you know what
I'm saying, just thinking it out, trying to figure out
how I was gonna actually bring it into fuition, you know,

(04:18):
working hustling at the same time, had a job, did
my little weed thing on the side, just trying to
get extra money. So I could get the equipment necessary
for me to do what the fuck I do, And
you know, yeah, that's what I was doing, man, just
just just trying to figure it out, you know, yeah
what it is.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I tell people, Man, you have to let your fay
job feel your dreams facts. Don't stop working your job.
You know, you gotta still keep some income coming in.
So when did you have the idea of man to
kick the whole smack brand off?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
When I was at work, man, you know what I'm saying,
I was a janitor before you know what I'm saying.
I began, like you know what I mean, doing what
the fuck I was doing when I was working for
the Border Education in New York City, fucking mopping hallways,
cleaning bathrooms, cleaning, cleaning up after these dirty ass kids
and shit like that. Like when I say these kids
are dirty, I'm talking about I was in an elementary school.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
These little niggas dirty.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Man. They used to have shit on a ceiling, like
how do you get shipped on a ceiling?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Like what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
And it was me responsible of cleaning that shit up
to make sure that, you know what I mean, my
job was complete. But like I remember like you know
what I'm saying. This Basically I work one day just
mopping the hallways, just thinking to myself, like, yo, man,
I got a fucking brain. Man, I don't need to
be doing this shit. Man, I don't gotta do this shit.
I got a brain, like I feel. I really felt

(05:44):
that way, Like, Yo, this shit is this.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Shit is whack. I mean I was getting paid good
money though it was a good job, Like you know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Back then, I was getting like you know what I mean,
twenty thousand an hour and this is like you know
what I'm saying, nineteen, Like this is like two thousand,
nineteen ninety nine, two thousand.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Back then, twenty thousand hours.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Was was was a big money. Oh that was a
good job man, and you had pretty good benefits all something. Ya.
Back then, that shit was good money. That shit was
a good job.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But like it still didn't do nothing for me because
of the manual labor that I had to basically do.
It was just like yo, nah, this ain't me. Like
you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna put my brain
to work. I'm gonna do something that I got a
passion for, something that I love to do. And I'm
gonna get it popping. And I was dead as serious.
I used to have conversations with myself because I used
to work after the school was like you know what

(06:34):
I mean, let out, so like you know what I'm saying,
after the school was over, I had to clean up
the whole fucking school, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I had my floor that I had. I was responsible,
and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
I just remember like hallways long, mopping and shit, just
talking to myself like yo, man, this shit is whack man.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Like I need, I need, I need more than this life,
like it's more than this. So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I just came up with, you know what I'm saying,
the concept of creating a DVD magazine, which was a magazine,
you know what I mean, back in the days, you
know what I'm saying, when the DVD technology was out,
Like you know what, Mandy, every DVD you used to
have chapters.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
On DVDs, there's different chapters you can skip through.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I just made everybody have their own little segment on
every chapter, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
So I got with like you know what I'm saying
all of the.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Necessary hip hop dudes that I knew that I had
relationships with, and I threw the camera on them. You
know what I'm saying. I was also hustling too. I
did my little week thing, but I wasn't no big hustler.
I ain't make millions. I make good money, but like
I ain't even gonna talk about that because I want
glorify that shit. But I mean, at the end of
the day, though, like you know, it fascinated me when

(07:48):
I used to do my runs and shit on the street,
you know what I mean. Like I used to read magazines,
like video maker magazines, and it fascinated me when I
could see that you could actually purchase a camcorder and
and basically like import your footage inside the computer and
make your edits and shit like that. That's like a
video DJ I took. You know, that shit was hot
to me, you understand what I'm saying. She was dope

(08:11):
and shit in the world. So that shit made me,
like you know what I'm saying, take a liking to it.
Got the necessary equipment that I needed because you know
what I'm saying. You know, back then, the cameras cost
a lot of money. You know what I'm saying, Three
three thousand, two thousand for a camera. Back then, that's
not a lot of money now, But we're talking early
early two thousand ninety nine, you know what I mean.

(08:33):
Back then, that shit was a lot of money. Like
you have to figure that shit out. How you're gonna
get two stacks?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like?

Speaker 4 (08:37):

Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know, twas steal a nice little mama changed today,
you know, for out there working every week.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know what i mean.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Listen, Man, we in twenty twenty three, so like right now,
that shit ain't ship. But back then, that shit was
like damn, How'm gonna do this? You have to figure
that shit out, you.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Know what I'm saying. So I made it happen.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
I got the necessary equipment just off the passion that
I had and the interest that I had for the technology.
And then, you know what I'm saying, got the equipment,
you know what I'm saying, hustle up, scammed the equipment
and really went to work. You know what I'm saying.
I put that equipment to work. You know what I'm saying.
It never looked back. So that's how the smack DVD
series started.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know what I mean, Man, I think do you
ever sit back, Troy and just wonder sometimes? Man, you
look at all the stuff like you look at YouTube
right now. YouTube is a huge platform for new and
emerging artists as well as you know, veteran artists like
I was talking off are you were pretty much YouTube
before there was a YouTube. You brought the hood into

(09:35):
the living rooms from the middle of America and to
the south, into the east, you know, west coast. You
had a pretty much cut a worldwide over in Berlin
and Jeremany. I remember when I was out in the
United Kingdom Man, maybe two thousand and six. They was
talking about it was a dude in the street selling
your DVDs. Dog.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I was outside like your DVDs dog exactly.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I was outside before they was outside. Like listen, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was the bible of the culture of hip hop before.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
You know what I'm saying, the YouTube before the world stars,
before any of the you know mean streaming platforms that's
out right now. Like you know what I mean, if
you wanted the information of what was going on inside
the hip hop culture, you had to tap in and
go copy Smack DVD to get the latest news or

(10:29):
how you know what I'm saying, your your favorite hip
hop artist felt or whatever your hip hop artist was
going through if they was promoting a project, like you
had to come and get a Smack DVD d see
what was going on because I was getting a shit
that wasn't on.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
The bets and the mtvs. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I'm really like, you know what i mean, tapped in,
you know what I'm saying, running around with these dudes.
I'm in they studio sessions, I'm in their neighborhoods, I'm
on the flights, in the private jets with them, just
showingcasing the reality of like you know what I'm saying,
goes on behind the music or behind you know, the coaching,
you understand. And I did it respectfully with you know
what I'm saying. It was uh, you know, respected in

(11:10):
a way where everybody just loved the the the point
of view, you know what i mean, because they didn't
they didn't have they didn't have that access before the
Smack DVD. They never had that access, you understand what
I'm saying, So you know they had to basically tap
in with me, just to see what was going on
with their favorite artists.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
You know, Smack, I wanted to ask you. I wanted
to ask you when I first met you was Maserati Fox.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
To twelve r p R let me to twelve with
So where was we.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
In, Queen?

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Because I always tell people where was that? I don't
know Queen?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Where was that that was in?

Speaker 5 (11:47):
That was in that was off of off of Rockaway
and something and in the projects right there. I forget
what they was called, like you know what I'm saying,
for Rockaway and something Boulevard, you know what I'm saying,
you know, the little the little projects or for something
in Rockaway, you know what I mean, little housing complex.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I don't call it the projects, but the complex. You
know what I'm saying. We just tapped in.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Fox was definitely you know what I'm saying, you know,
running around at the time, you know what I'm saying,
really trying to you know what I mean, get you
know what I mean, his his movement off the ground,
you know, and I was there their system, so you
know what I'm saying. I gave him a look. We collaborated,
you know what I mean. And you know I just
gave him that look that he needed this to like,
you know, really like you know, have people pay attention

(12:36):
to like what he was trying to bring to the game.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
Reason why I'm saying that because back then to do
this culture, you had to be outside. You had to
be outside. Now, this is my first meet and you,
and historically back that was me, you Beasley, Trave, picture Perfect,
and Fox.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
That's why I tried to just shout out to Trave.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
I'm saying, so now when you look black, we all
went on to do our things.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Don't forget wrecked, don't get don't forget you know.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yeah, what I wanted to know, Bro is on First
of all, I ain't know we had bloods in New
York City. I found out that day for I didn't
know we had Yeah, it's crazy with shot recipes of
the homie fo you know what I'm saying, it was
a lot of them. How do you feel now that
anybody could just jump on camera and just document the culture,

(13:31):
but they didn't have to hit the streets. You know,
at one point when we did certain things, you was
held accountable for what you said in the street. How
do you feel now? Dudes, don't get held accountable for
some of the things they say.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
I mean, you know, we live in a different age
right now, Like you know what I'm saying. Everything is different,
you know what I mean, the time, in.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
The culture, like the perception, the technology, everything is.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
It's a different world. Like you know what, I'm shit that,
Like you know what I'm saying. We didn't have didn't
even like exist of what's going on right now. So
it's like these kids grew up different than what we did,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like you, like you said,
we really had to be outside. Like now, you outside
is just basically putting a funk on in front of

(14:17):
your face and actually talking shit. And you outside, you
post that shit on the ground, you get views every
you outside. That's not outside, my nigga.

Speaker 4 (14:25):

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Like I tell niggas, I was at gunpoint more than
anybody in the motherfucking world.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
That's why I wanted to That's why I want to
let people know we understand what I'm saying. Like outside,
when we went to this area, we went to this area, well,
I was like, what the fuck is this? I'm a
Brooklyn dude, but I'm looking all I see is red.
Like three hundred dudes. We went to parks, we went
to places, but smack with spearhead and the whole thing.

(14:52):
And I was like, nah, this shit different, this shit different.
So when people think he just a guy that do
battle rap, ain't from the trenches of what y'all have
no idea. And I don't think many of you if
you had to do what he did, what I had
to do to get on, you wouldn't even do it.
You wouldn't even do it because it's easy just to
put a camera in your face and talk, but you

(15:13):
had to be outide.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Nah, yo, listen, man.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
And I try to explain to dudes all the time,
like you know what I mean, They don't even know
to have. Like that's something like I got tucking, I
got tucking in the.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Stash, like all the footage.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
I got so much footage that I didn't release. You
know what scares me the most, man, You know what
scares me the most, what excuse me the most is
when I go back and all kinds, when I look
at the footage, I see so many niggas that's not.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Here, no more right here.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
That shit is so it's spooky yeah, Bookie, Like I
look at the content and I'm like, Damn, he's gone.
He's going, he's going, he's doing life. He's locked up,
He's gone this one, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
What I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
It's crazy, though, Doug, and need to still be here
and you know, surviving and still striving on my mission
of creating content and you know, just bringing that realness
to the culture as far as like you know what
I mean, a content creator and just doing something else
that you know what I mean is just more laid

(16:22):
back and mellowed out, which is battle rap. I just
feel blessed, and I'm just glad that I'm still here, man,
you know, and you know, I'm just trying to just
you know what i mean, just building it as much
as possible. I'm still building on my legacy. I haven't
yet sit back and stopped to watch all my accolades

(16:45):
of what I accomplished. I'm still working. I still feel young.
You know, I'm in the best shape of my life.
You know what I'm saying. I still feel like I
got another twenty thirty in mes man, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
Let me ask, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Twenty and I'm twenty.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah, I'm one and twenty in because you know what
I mean, the first DVD came out two thousand and two,
two thousand and two thousand and two, so I'm like
twenty one in.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
You had some of the most historical battles on DVD.
See people don't even know that error was different than James's.
That's what Jen and the serious Jones that that Ian
Solomon you had.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Dog yo yo, when when when?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
When?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
When? When I talk about like.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Having a like you know what I mean the battles
that I like, I started the coaching, like the way
I started the coaching. Like there wasn't battle rap on camera,
a cappella though a cappello the nott no beat.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I mean not talking about battling on beat.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's not what we do.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
You know, dude like that, I mean we respect that,
and you know I might I fuck with it too,
I fuck with it. But like I'm talking about acapella,
like how we used to street, how we used to
do it in the lunch rooms, how we used to
do it in the barber shops where we're from. You know,
the clo you know the cloth that we cut from,
you know, I mean New York City, hip hop.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yo, Yo, your man nice, bring him over here. I
got ten stacks.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
That cloth, that cloth, that's the cut, that's the cloth
that I'm cut from. Like at the end of the day,
that's what we represent. I was the first to get
that on camera to promote around the world.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Do my platform on a smack DVD.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
You did your brother Love Brother Loves Joint.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Hosting my joint just because your smack Yo. Come on
smack were yo, just off the love smack Yo. We're
gonna get this ship pop and come to daddy out.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
We're gonna boom, Jay Mills.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
One of the things out here y'all talk about is
the culture, right and we in the fifty years deep
in hip hop right now right, I'm an og dog.
I'm fifty three years old.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Dog.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I can remember when you know, hearing my first hip
hop record, right, and back then, the cardinal rule was
no biting.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Everybody had to be a rigid yo.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
You get yo, you bite, you get fucked up.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah for real. You know you can.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
They coming to see you if you If you bit
biting like you, you you getting.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Approached, Yeah for sure. And I wanted to leave that
as a little segue into something. When you created smack,
there were a slew of other water down versions of smack.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
They came to the street. Not this is nobody else, but.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
You got copy that imitate it, you know, they say
imitations of you know, purest form of flattery. I don't
know though I see this disrespect kind of.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
What was.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
I love you now with you but not at the
end of the day, you know, Yeah, imitation is the
greatest form of flattery. And yeah, after I came out,
a lot of a lot a lot of people didn't
you know what I mean, you know, immolated, you know

(20:21):
what I mean, my format, my style and ship like that.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
You know, it is what it is, like I showed
the culture how to get money in a certain way.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
M hm. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
They just took a page out of my book and
did what they had to do. You know what I'm saying.
I don't I don't knock that ship. I'm not never
mad at that ship.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
As long as they did it and they own original
way to like ghost say, ghost Face said it the best.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Shout out to my uncle Ghosts.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
You know what I mean, ghost Face killers, yo, man, yo,
just do your own ship, man, and you know what
I mean, and be original, alon as you got originality
in your ship, like you know what I mean, your
original with what you do, then I don't have a problem.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But don't do exactly what the fuck I do?

Speaker 4 (21:07):
You understanding at.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Least throw your own spin to the ship, bring something
to add something new to the ship.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Don't just do what the fuck I do.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
I'm going through the same ship right now and the
culture that I'm in, Like you know what I'm saying,
let me slow down, let me, let me.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Let me, let me still, let me ask them something
so and also, Smack, you have a lot of street
dudes that you change their life, right, change their life,
I say all the time, y'all niggas gotta remember nine
minutes of rhymes and you might get from five thousand
dollars to fifty thousand, and you can't remember that ship.

(21:47):
You get more than Jadakiss for an hour set and
you can't remember nine minutes of rhymes. It's time, Smack,
where you had to? I can't eat that.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
That's my favorite, you know, Oh you know that sh
That shit might be on my fucking tombsto. I can't.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Oh, were the business did you think the business would
be so hard for so many of these brothers to grasp.
And the business means the money, the finances, the paperwork.
They don't understand that concept of paperwork and W nine's
and all that. How hard has it been to try

(22:25):
to get some of these individuals to understand we do
this for the love of the culture, but it's still business.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I try to bring that home to these dudes all
the time because, like you know what I'm saying, at
the end of the day, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know, these people want their money. You know what
I mean. It's modern day slavery.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Man.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
They not letting nobody eat just to eat. You understand
what I'm saying. You gotta pay them taxes, man, And
that's a form of slavery. Like you know what I'm saying,
because you know, at the end of the day, still
say that the time. Listen, man, they need their PC.
I don't give a fuck if you make five dollars,

(23:09):
I want two fifty.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
That's how they just how that's how this government give
it up. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
And I can't be responsible for nobody else. I only
I only could be responsible for my ship.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know what I'm saying. Everybody gotta you.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Know what I mean, be grown men and take care
and handle the weight. You know, they make their own
decision or however they want to move. But like I
know that you ain't gonna be able to make no
money if you owe these people money.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
So I just make sure that you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
My tasers crossing, my eyes has dotted, and everybody else
is on their own time. But it's definitely a business,
you know what I'm saying, Because you know what I'm saying,
any dollar that is going into your account got to
be accounted for.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
And that's just basically what it is.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
You feel me, And you know, I explain that to.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
I explain that to all these dudes, and I try to, like,
you know what I'm saying, you know, just me being older,
just me being a you know, you know, a role
model to a lot of these dudes that you know
what I mean, seeing you know, my accomplishments and see
where I came from and see where you know the
levels that I took it to and how I took
it to them levels. It's certain protocols that you got

(24:23):
to follow and paying taxes is one of them. You
know what I'm saying, So you gotta basically you know
what I'm saying. It's a couple of things that you
need on your team, uh, to get money. And that's
a lawyer, that's accountant.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know what I mean? Those two. It's key you
feel me so essential for anybody else this last year.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Also in the culture, you you befriended a lot of people.
You might advanced people money. You might have paid niggas rent,
You might have did a lot. Yes, some times a
lot of brothers get mad at you when they not
on this car. They ain't getting this battle. I just
but they might not be putting them asking them, you
know them asses in them seats. They might not be
buying the pay for you. How hard has it been

(25:12):
for you to tell some of your friends, yo, you're
not hot right now? Yah, you gotta get hot for
the people want to see you, because you know, this
man might depend on his battle to feed his family,
but he ain't bringing it. He ain't bringing no heat.
How hard has it been to personally tell some of them?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yo?

Speaker 7 (25:31):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
I mean it is a matter for you.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know, it cost a lot of tension, you know
what I'm saying, and the course of my career, you know,
but at the end of the day, you know, like
you said, like it's a business. At the end of
the day, Like you know what I'm saying, I got
to keep the machine going so we all can eat.
And if you're not in demand at the time, you
just got to respect that shit, make some adjustments to

(25:55):
make the necessary you know what I'm saying, moves to
get back in position where mother fuck just want to
see you understand, So you know, like this shit is
not personal, it's business, you know what what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
So I had to learn that because I was.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
On some personal shit for a long time looking out
for niggas just you know what I mean, knowing more
fuckers situation might not prepare or might fuck up or
might not you know what I mean, deliver fucking three rounds.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
But you know what I'm saying, I have a liking
for them.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I have some type of loyalty for these individuals.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
So it's just like, yo, come on, I'm gonna place you.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
But like that shit is over with because that shit
started to like jeopardize my situation of credibility of respect
when it came to the fans and shit like that.
So I had to cut that shit out because you
know what I'm saying. At the end of the day,
I'm not gonna let you know what I'm saying nobody
else negligence interrupt my opportunities of what I created and

(26:59):
what I established to basically feed my family.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Because you let the fans know that might not know
that at one particular point you was kind of banned
in New York and no fault to yours. We had
the Urban Plaza unfortunate incidents, the banger, but then the
punch and Irvin Plaza too, and you took all the
blame for the first of all, the fight and that
took place. You got kicked out of New York and

(27:28):
then the unfortunate incident happened. So that's one of the
reasons why you had to go to Houston. You had
to travel because you want to the people don't know.
You want to stay home and you want to do
shit home, but they home wasn't your home for a while.
What you went through with all that shit.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
First of all, New York City is just the like
that state is just a fucked up state when it
comes to business speak on this. You know what I'm saying,
as far as let's start with the taxes, Like if
you live in the Five Boroughs, not only that you
got to pay you know what I'm saying, the fects,
you gotta pay the Feds federal income.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Then you gotta pay the state.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
And if you live in the Five Boroughs, you gotta
pay the city taxes of New York City.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Bro, you understand that what I'm saying, You're getting hit
from three different angles.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Not to mention, you know, the venues and shit like that.
They scared of us. They don't even want they don't
even want to give us the business, like you know
what I'm saying, even though I could pack that shit
out with my eyes closed.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Half two thousand motherfuckers come up in your motherfucking venue.
Yeah it's a little rowdy, but everybody's coming in peace,
like they just want to see what they want to see,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
They scared of our kind, like you know what I mean.
So like you know what I mean, I feel like
you know what I mean, New York.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Is been discriminating against you know what I'm saying our culture,
you know what I mean when it comes to like
underground for years, so it's hard for me to secure
the venues necessary for us to have a successful event
where it makes sense, where I can actually recoup the
money that you know, what I'm saying is basically being

(29:05):
allocated out.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
To make the event happen.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
You understand what I'm saying, Like it's just the nasty market,
you know what I'm saying all around the board, like
you know what I'm saying, and then not to even
mention like I know everybody in the city, so like
it's hard for me to tell niggas no, I can't.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
I just can't tell no too because I was outside.
Niggas did a lot of shit for me.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
They good, Yo, he good?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yo?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
How much he good?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
He good?

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't get no money in New York, bro.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
And also let the audience know that they might not
know they hear about it. Let them know how real
them hip hop police is. Let them know how real
it is.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Listen, man, I mean, I just I they knew me
for years because of what I did, Like you know
what I mean, you know, guns and all type of shit.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know, Yo, this person got hit. Yo.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Heard it was on Camra.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
I ain't had nothing to do, Yo, Yo, heard was
on Smack. Y'all get out of here like I wasn't
even out. Youre bugging like they they hip hop police
is real, Like you know what I'm saying. In case
you don't know, but you know what I'm saying. You know,
I know some hip hop police and they fuck with
me like you know what I'm saying. So it's like, Yo, listen, YO,
We're gonna let you rock your smack. Just make sure this, this, this,

(30:18):
that and the third eye got you boom. That's how
I was able to do what I had to do
for so many years.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Listen what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
So you know you're laying on.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Some real quick smack.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
You you know, it being hard to do business in
New York and those other factors that you talked about,
is that when you started doing more stuff on the
West Coast.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, I was always on the West Coast. I was
on the West Coast. Since you know what I'm saying,
it's smack DVDs.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
When I was around there with Game and you know
what I mean, Game had me and Compton and you know,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know, b m F.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know what I'm saying. We was out there, like
I was. We We we had like a lot of ties,
you know.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
What I'm saying, Mitchie Slick and them, you know, fucking
m the cartoon, you know what I'm saying, on some tattoo.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
All this shit, like you know what I mean. I
was real diverse with like you know, the content that I.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Was creating for the West Coast and giving them that
look on the East Coast and around the world or
wherever like my arms reached to. You know, I always
felt that I was always a fan of the West Coast,
you know, movement as far as like n w A.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know what I'm saying, ice Cube, you.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Easy, You know what I mean, Doctor Dre You know
what I mean. Fucking one of the best, if not
the best, producing the world. Like you understand what I'm saying.
So I felt that it was necessary for me to
have that representation on my platform.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
I made it necessary for me to make my way
out there, being from the East Coast, you know what
I'm saying, Just you know, connecting dots and linking up
with you know what I'm saying, the real dudes out
there on that coast and and and really giving them
that that proper you know what I'm saying, visualization.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
So everybody else.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
From the South, from the East, from Central you know
what I'm saying, America, Europe, Africa, respect, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
What you know the West Coast was about. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
I had Nissey hustle, like you know what I mean
before you know what I mean, anybody you know you
know that that that that that really you know, took
it there like I got.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Exclusive shit.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
I don't even drop with this yet and I still
got that ship in the top. You know what I'm saying,
because you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Just something in a time that I felt that like
he was just like the knives are fucking you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
The West Coast, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
And no lovem yo.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
We love him in New York.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I don't think they're not yo yo.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Let you that nigga, Like you know what I'm saying,
God bless the death, but like you know what I'm saying,
like and it's just like he just reminded me so
much of Knives from the from from the West Coast.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's just like yo, yo dog, your comme here, yo,
you know, let's do some shit, like you know.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
But he was running around the East Coast like it
was nothing, you know what I'm saying. Like he was
outside for rip, you know what I'm saying. So it
was all love though, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Well, yeah, he was definitely doing his thing. Now, when
did you decide to bring you off into the battle
rap to you are ill? When did you decide the
forum that well what the batter rack?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah? Yeah, when did you decide to form your lead? Oh?

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Like that's after, that's after, Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
I always wanted to represent the art form of battle
rap because I felt that it was, like you know
what I'm saying, essential for that representation of the art
form of lyricism to be fucking represented worldwide because that's
what we grew up loving. I consider that hip hop,
like you know what I'm saying, motherfucker's coming battling each other,

(33:55):
exchanging rhymes, going bar to bar and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
That's in me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
From high school when we used to be in a
motherfucker lunch room, you know, period seven, we in a
lunch room. We got these two niggas going at it.
I bet you know what I'm saying. You know, the
whole school, they didn't even go to class. Everybody's in
the motherfucking lunch room just basically just like you want
to see.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
What's going on.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
So like that representation of like lyricism, I felt that
was necessary for me to represent on my platform, you
know what I'm saying. So on the DVD, I always
made sure that it had its real estate on my DVD.
At the end of the DVD. If you go to
any Smack DVD, you go to that last chapter the
end of the DVD, you always had a classic battle.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
That was my signature.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
So now when you know World Star came out two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, you know they
started really blowing up two thousand and seven, two thousand
and six, two thousand and seven, World Star came out
God Bless the Dead Q.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
You know know, So what I'm saying, he really and
with you know what I'm saying, the content online he
was just basically he started his whole platform, taking all
our ship, taking all our ship, your dog, I'm lying.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
That's why he had conversation.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Why that's why we have with them.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Mother, Like, yo, how this nigga eat you know, and
the nigga blew and took it off. He took our ship,
popped his ship off with our ship, and then taking
every everybody sending him ship. So he ain't had to
put no work in, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
All the content on World Star could have been the
biggest ship in the world if they would have produced
their own content. They never used their own content though,
so it was like it was this people he grabbing
clips or he grabbing clipps.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
It was smart, it was genius.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
It was genius actually, because he ain't had to put
the man hours the label, flying to the West coast,
flying to the south, getting up with these artists.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
These artists don't pick up their phones. Bro, you gotta
call a million times before mother fucking pick up his phone.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
That's why I stopped doing.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
What the fuck I do that, you know what I'm saying,
because it took me too, yo.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Call I still to this day, don't even call it like, yo, Bro,
I don't call niggas more than two times.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
How good I see you.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
When I see you?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Real temperamental people.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Dog.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
You know I'm not mad at them because you know
what I mean, Artists deal with a lot. But like
you know what I mean, I'm not calling the nigga
phone a million. You know I'm calling you see me
calling the dogs. I'm a real nigga too. You understand
what I'm saying. You're getting money. I'm getting money too,
but you swong my money down not picking up your phone.
You know what I'm sam saying.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
So that's when you know.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
World Star came out, and then the technology came.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Technology started catching up a time when motherfuckers can have
their own fucking cameras and ship like that. Fucking cameras
started being on your phone. Motherfuckers was filling pulling out
their phones, catching the artists at gas stations. Motherfuckers, Oh
ship yo go you go gz yo, GIZI what's up?
And they're fucking post that ship. The blocks don't give

(37:18):
a fuck. The blogs is taking that footage, putting it
on they websites just because it's gonna get hits and views.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
They didn't care where the content was coming from. Because
you know what I'm saying, they just want the clicks.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
Took us.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
It was just like, yeah, like.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Artist content started decreasing in value, it started decreasing in value.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Because it was more exclusive. It's no more exclusive more.
It's like, Yo, I'm I'm running around the country.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
I'm flying the South, flying in Atlanta, flying to LA
flying the fucking Miami, flying to New York, creating a DVD.
It's taking me four months to fucking put out a
DVD when all the information is being already uploaded on
these fucks on websites, just because somebody is asking the
artists that they've seen at the fucking gas station with
their motherfucking camera phone and they fucking uploading that. All

(38:08):
the blogs and all the fucking websites is posting that
because they need content. It just came like, yo, fuck,
I'm running around chasing artists. For us, I have to
focus on the battles. The battles are something that can't
be recreated. To answer your question, that's why I started
the league. I'm like, yo, fuck it, I'm gonna just
do the shit that you know and create a new
form of hip hop entertainment, which is battle rap, which

(38:30):
is you know what I'm saying, the URL And I
created my league on that because I was just like, yo,
I'm not gonna compete with everybody that you know what
I mean, May go see fifty cent because fifty cent
just got that fat Joe or whatever and they just
do the fucking cam on them.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
And now that shit is all over the internet, Like
I can't compete with the world.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, technology man at one point.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Technology at one point fucked the game up, but it
made it more broad and it brings the millions of
people like I wass thinking about a conversation that I
was having them with Eight's red partner from CMW The Child,
and he was telling me how Aight and Snoop used
to battle back in middle school.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Dad. Can you imagine if y'all had a camera during
that time.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Go go oh chatter Uncle Snoop, you know what I mean.
Snoop was one of the realist dudes that I came
across in this culture. And you know, I'm an uncle too.
They call me Uncle Smack. I'm in an uncle club,
you know what I'm saying. There's only a couple of
uncles in the game.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Read Alert started it read Alert started, Uncle Red started.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Snoop, Uncle Ross.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Luke, Uncle Uncle Luke.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
I considered Uncle Bunny, Uncle bun Deez an uncle to me,
Like you know what I'm saying, man, uncle smack Man.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
You know what I mean, it's a couple of uncles
to being an uncle club. You gotta you gotta be,
you gotta be, you gotta be cut.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
From a different cloth.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Charlotte Mane, Charlie. I mean it's trying to be coming
into the uncle club too, Uncle Sean. But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
So hip hop flat what he do because the kid
is different. When it comes to the journalism, you know
what I'm saying, and.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
He he broke down doors. That is incredible. So like
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I respect it, but like you know.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
What I mean when it comes to street stop, Yeah, yeah,
what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
HIPOs fifty smack hip Hop fifty is here amongst us.
Do you feel like battle rap is getting the appreciation
that it needed, specifically what you brought to it in
this hip hop fifty landscape, Because we got to be honest.
For a while, hip hop was fucked up and battle
rap brought a different eyes to it from all over

(40:48):
the world because it was hip hop and its purest form.
So we look at the cold Crush, we look at him.
They started out meeting in the park, rapping against her,
sometimes with no beat. You brought that back to a
large scale. But in this hip hop fifty landscape, where
they placing you in this where where they place some work,
where they placing you in this hip hop fifty, I.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Don't even know.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I don't even know. I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
You know, I don't know where they placing me at.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
You ain't been in, no celebrations, nothing, you know, Nah,
Like I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
And you know it's crazy because I feel like I
put a lot up, you know what I'm saying, blusod,
sweat and tears into this culture.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
I contribute my contribution to this ship is different. I
created a whole genre.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Industry, it's say industry inside the hip hop industry. You understand,
I created my own industry where motherfuckers could you know,
actually get paid to do something that they loved to
do that they wasn't getting paid to do before. Motherfuckers
used to just battle for credibility. You understand what I'm saying,

(41:56):
who had the ill bars or who had the illis
lyrics and lyrics or lyricism, or who had like you
know what I mean, who killed who? Motherfuckers used to
do that shit for credibility.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Now I created a whole lane where motherfuckers is getting
paid to do.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
A whole new fucking you know what I mean art
form that exists withinside the hip hop culture.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
You know, hip hop is based on competition.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
I want to play you the thing for him bringing
him to the Gangst The Chronicles is important because when
we start talking about the Gangst the Rap Chronicles, one
of the you know, the offshoots of the name and
the concept of.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
The show.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
They was.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
They was able to stand on stage in each other
face and talk about how they're gonna kill each other
ways they gonna kill each other, but not have to
kill each other face there. So, hey, let me ask
you something, do you think and the hate of you
and quick with y'all ship, do y'all think y'all would

(43:03):
have been able to stand in front of each other
and rap battle at one point?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
No, because we was gang bangers. It wasn't about rapping.
It was about the neighborhood. It wasn't about rap music.
Rapping was rapping, that's.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
All it was.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
So it wasn't like I'm out here to try to
battle rap a nigga and get some money and embarrass
the nigga.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Our ship.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Our ship bled deep because of neighborhood times. That's what
it was about. So we couldn't we couldn't be battle
rappers because niggas be getting killed because first of all,
you ain't finna put no crypt blood in the same
place because the result is finna be fighting first ship.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Don't IM about to give a fuck about no rap
music music. Yeah, that's how it went.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
Now, you know that's a different I guess it's a
different aspect if if that's what you on is just
trying to be an MC. But a lot of us
was from the neighborhood first. Even before a rap started,
we was game banging, you feel me? So, uh, that's
the difference of That's why a lot of our our

(44:16):
talk was was on records, because when you met a nigga, it.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Wasn't it was fighting here. It was dunk them first.
That's what it was. Yeah, And I don't think the
thing that was interest in the boat.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
The situation with any niggas over here who had beef
with each other, the niggas was chunking them when they
see each other. It wasn't no nigga, let's go on
stage and grab the mic and talk about each other. Nah, nigga,
I'm trying to bust your motherfucking face open.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
So that's what it was all. A lot of a
lot of of of art, of artists who came.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
From my era who dealt with gangs and all that
shit you could and been put in that settle. That segment.
Battle rapping is just that. That's for niggas who are
on BMC's you know. You know, I don't give a
fuck you from a block or whatever. You know, A
lot of that shit progressed down the road because when

(45:15):
I first started rapping, niggas had beef.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
We wasn't thinking about.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
You know.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
That's why a lot of our our shit was spoken
on records, because that's where we was able to confront
a nigga. Because you see a nigga in the streets,
ain't no nigga, I'm finna drop this line on you
and say, nigga, homie, he's talking about you smoking me,
or you're finna kill me.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Real pistols is coming out, real fist is flying and
getting me.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
So yeah, I'm just trying to picture some cheet cats
man begging that they man standing in front of each
other talking about each other, because you know, cats would
have got real disrespectful with it. Somebody would have got
disrespectful and disrespected somebody's neighborhood and it would have been
a melee before he can get a second bar out
the top.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
About that, dude's here's some more. It had been twenty
thirty people on stage.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
The first battle I seen on camera from your side
was I think the Bay. It was severe versus casual.
You remember that it was the first time I seen
two people from the West Coast in battle and.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Battle.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
But as time went on, I'm like, now these thing
it's too real to be. Ain't nobody gonna be standing
and spitting each other face? They gonna get crazy with it,
you know what I'm saying. So that when we see
where the battle rap culture is now. These are sometimes
dudes who might have little rivalries in the sense of
they research on each other that they're gonna bring out
in the battle, But it don't really be no past

(46:40):
street history. Sometimes it is a little bit what makes
for a battle battle. So it's entertaining back in y'all
in your time.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Eight.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
I know it wasn't possible for that shit to happen
because again, when you see a nigga fuck music, you
know what I'm saying. Music was how you got off
on a nigga like I had, I had, we spent
your block, you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't though,
we're gonna spend your block, or we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do that. Those is like this record, but

(47:10):
more was like a response of the ship that actually
was taking place for real, for real. Now you can't
do that because nigga go to jail now, you know
what I'm saying that, because you see the little dudes
who do the drill and all that shit, they using
all that shit to lock they asks up now, you
know what I'm saying. So if hip hop was then
what it is now, they probably been looking at y'all

(47:31):
crazy like, oh for real, you such and such, you
know what I'm saying. But the eyes wasn't on y'all
when you when you made this record though, eight what
was what was your and what was your intention? Just
the ship on them, that hood, that that people as
much as you can or like, what what was.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Your I never disrespected anybody's neighborhood, even though I might
add beef with niggas. I never brought neighborhoods into it
because me being from a neighborhood, it's bigger than that shit. Man,
So you know niggas do that shit nowadays. But if

(48:11):
I beef with the nigga, I kept it to the nigga.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
You guys me.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
I tried to keep it on that level as far
as hip hop was concerned, because at the end of
the day, I still was a hip hop artist, you
feel me. So I didn't want to necessarily go too
deep on that aspect when it came to dissing the

(48:37):
nigga if I had beef with him, because I really
didn't beef with niggas. Everybody know whatever the aspect was,
But basically the intention when you was writing a record
or ditch record, it was basically just your feelings.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Of how you felt about a motherfucker.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
You give me the nigga you and I guess that
no different if niggas wanted to express themselves if they could.
You know, uh, you know, you got other football players.
They get in practices, they fuck that nigga or we're
gonna but they don't necessarily do it that deep. But
you know they might be like, oh yeah number twelve

(49:17):
till number twelve were coming for him this weekend, or
or or tell motherfucker you know.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
So basically writing a disk record.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
And it necessarily wasn't too I think like in what
y'all called the Battle Rap thame, niggas go deep to
expose a motherfucker. You feel me, With writing a disc record,
I'm just saying, fuck a nigga. You know, don't necessarily
I don't necessarily know your mama or your financial status

(49:54):
or where you nigga. All I know is like, nigga,
I don't like you.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
So it's neop you didn't come, try to come with
no extra fly metaphors and that ship because really.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And then it really wasn't like I want.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
I wouldn't say, uh, necessarily like battling niggas, we just
busting rhymes, you know, I would call it more of
a cipher we had then, like a nigga, you ain't
this or Nigga, you ain't that. We never did that.
It was more like I'm missing I'm that, and I'm

(50:31):
missing I'm that. And then he was more like, well,
I'm from here, and I'm from here and I'm missing
I'm that. So it's basically like a cipher we had. So,
like I said, it's different from you know, battle rapping
and writing a disc record. Some niggas do. Some niggas
like nowadays, they go technical, Oh, nigga, I'm gonna search

(50:52):
a niggas history. I'm gonna see what who the fuck with?
I'm see if the nigga got all f's on his
report card and school, you know, all kind of shit
niggas come out with. But me, basically I was just
like Nigga, this Compton and Nigga fucked you.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That's it, you know.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
I mean a battle rapper, I think battle rapping it's
more to expose the individual and his skills and who
the fuck he think he is as a motherfucking battle rapper.
So Nigga, just like the Homie said when when he
was on the show what's his name that we had,

(51:35):
he said, nigga. Oh, And then the benefit of it
is from what y'all tell me. I'm gonna tell you
you're fin the battle this nigga next week. Right, But
now I get to go do my homework on motherfucking
I get to go dig into it. Like I said,
you had motherfucking buck teeth in the third grade and

(51:56):
shit like that. Nigga, your mama wore motherfucker get hand
me downs and y'all drove a pinto wagon the church
on Sundays and ship like you get to dig into
a nigga's all kinds of shit. So, like I said,
sometimes with niggas making records and ship it's just like, man,
fuck you.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
Hey, it don't got deeper. Hey, it don't got so
deep in battles, dude. Us the big screen in the back,
dudes had on T shirts with a nigga mother baby
mother getting fucked on it. That's the research they was able.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
To do it. That's a lot deep.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
But then I guess you have to.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I guess you got to present that showmanship because you
on stage. It's a show. Right.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
It's no different than when I get on stage and
I got props. I might bring a lowrider bike out
or play play my scenes from minutes to society in
the background or whatever. So I guess as a battle rapper, Yeah,
you want to have your props.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
You want to have your.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Motherfucking stage presence. So y'all want the big screen. I
want to put a picture up of this nigga when
he got socked in the mouth. I want to put
up a big screen to the nigga when his baby
mama was cheating on him, and shit she was at
the movies with another nigga or some shit, all kinds
of shit.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
So yeah, that's what you call chowmanship.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Though, in that motherfucking realm of hip hop, you gotta
ask chowmanship, especially if you want to be that top dog.
And like you said, with all the props and the
technology and all the research you can do that that
could be critical for some niggas. He can basically destroy
some niggas battle career. Yeah, I think we love Smack.

(53:43):
I would love to have him here to answer this one.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I saw, you know, the homely man from the baby Man,
mister fab right, he dealves off into that battling world.
He's actually really dope, Yes, but I saw I forget
the call. He was battling man for Arsenal he was
failing Arsenal. Arsenal got to talking about busting nuts in.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
His daughter's face, disrespectful, doing this and that, talking about
his daughter.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Fuck your sick daughter or slaughter our duct taper and
throw that little sick something.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
And I was just like, oh my god, this dude,
he the girl.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
You set yourself up for that, right and battle rapping,
you said, That's why I said, it would have been
very difficult to from you know, from the days of
niggas dissing each other and neighborhoods being involved. That would
have been a hard scene to control because the minute

(54:42):
the niggas say, nigga, your hood, ain't this a nigga?
Y'all some this, and then nigga, that's why we killed
so and so, and nigga's over.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
That's what driller is doing now, little drill cats over
there in Chicago. Yeah, I mean that's New York too.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Yeah, that's state way of you know, they call you out,
say who got killed, nigga, We peeled sos and so,
cap this package and then at the bus stopped screaming
like a bitch and wootie. Yeah they do all that
ship now. So that's why you have so much controversy
and conflict. You give me as opposed to niggas who

(55:18):
was battle rappers in my day, You give me you
had an Ll cool J and coolmodgo at it and
it was just you know, battle on wax. You know,
Cube had his you know, Cube had his dealings with
easy in them and and a lynch mob with above
the Law and all them type of niggas.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I had my.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Battles with quick and and you know. But sometimes it
was to the necessarity of well, we kept it on records,
didn't You didn't You never saw uh LLL or cool
Man with d tell my, let's get in the boxing
ring and you know, scrap or let's bus guns at
each other or something. We tried to keep it on

(55:58):
the elements of hip hop at me, you know, you know,
what was fresh and young, and we didn't want to
jeopardize it to the fact because you know, back then
they was banning niggas left and right and pulling niggas
in doing all of that. So we tried to keep
it to a level of not getting out of hand.

(56:19):
But like you said, nowadays, man, it's just like I
don't I couldn't be a I couldn't be in them
shoes of a nigga standing in my face like you said, saying, nigga,
your son is this or your your mama ain't ship Like,
I'm not gonna like this. Up fab is the homie nigga.
They must fight work all the probably fired on you.

(56:41):
It was all I was getting mad and I was thinking, man,
oh my.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
Is that first contracts not to fight them?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
At first it was a little bit funny because you know,
he was being light. But then when he started doing
certain stuff and it was.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Kind of like, man, so basically you have to you
have to sign the contract saying that you're gonna take
the humiliation.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
You gotta keep I would assume, man, and I would
assume that to keep your cane. That's a hard pill
to swallow. Stuff. Sign a contract.

Speaker 7 (57:13):
It's a rapper name good.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
You have hands on and you have to allow this
motherfucker to say whatever they want to say. Now, look,
basically put your basically put yourself out there for it.
You know it's you better be hard as a motherfucker
all out.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
That's all I know.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
If you want to get into that motherfucking realm of
hip hop, if you know whatever music, whatever you want
to call it.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Uh, you better have some tough skin. Yeah, really you know.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Still, it's a rapper name Goods who put in every contract.
I don't give a fuck what you say about me.
Don't say nothing about my daughter. But he put it
in writing that the artist wasn't allowed to speak about
his daughter. He said. The only reason why I'm saying
that because when she get older, I don't want her
to ever see her. Daddy stood there and had the
nigga say your little baby daughter, suck my dick. He said, nah,

(58:10):
we you can say whatever you want about me, fuck me,
fuck everybody, but don't say nothing about my daughter. The
one person that says something about his daughter he misinterpret.
He smacked the shit out of him in the middle
of the battle. This is a fact, so so you could,
you could get some shit taken out. But it's Arsenal.
You got QB, you got Bridge Rostein. It's certain rappers.

(58:31):
They're clean. The thing, they are so disrespectful that you
got an autistic child. If you got anything going on,
they're gonna get there. Still, I gotta get up out
of here, smack man. Uh yeah, we got like five Yeah,
go into the go into the events.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I got it, don't I got it? Right?

Speaker 7 (58:51):
Lad On, y'all all right.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Smack you you missed it, Doug. We was talking about
some of them, real disrespectful battle rappers. Let me see,
is he back? But he got froze out again. Look
like we got froze out again. We got some we
got smacked back in the building, but he froze. He

(59:13):
got some technical difficulties going on. Were gonna talk a
little bit, Man about this lineup Man that Summer Madness.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Man is going down. It is going down.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Sunday, August twenty seventh, Man the Ultimate Rap League was
touched down in Houston, Texas the whole Summer Madness thirteen,
the pinnacle of being in the world of battle rap,
featuring a full evening of electrifying showdowns from the most
respected names from around the coach. You know they got
some cats. I know you, ag, you ain't really familiar

(59:42):
with the battle rap, saying you you you heavy into it?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I see him. I love battle rap. On I've never
been into it, so I've never been into it.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah you, but I'm gona have to take you to
some events. Look, well, we was talking about smacking you
you good now? He got technically he got you got
technical difficulties going on. They got a good line up, man,
They got Tay Rock versus ad t Top versus John
John to Don DNA versus Jerry West, Fine Fines versus

(01:00:15):
Shotgun Sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
And New Jersey Twerk versus howld have done? These cats
got some color names.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I have no disrespect, but I've never gotten into
the you know, I've I've heard, I've seen a couple
as far as the Internet is concerned, when they come across,
But I never got into the battle rap thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yeah, well you know what it is, man, It's like
it's definitely acquired taste. It's definitely one of those acquired tastes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Man, for you to be heavy into it, what is
the What is what I want to say is.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
What is that angle of performing hip hop or whatever?
Like is the intention to ever make a record or
is it just to be a disrespectful battle rapper?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I think you know what I think because of what
Smack is done with the culture now with Survive, But lifting,
to me, it's just another branch of the hip hop tree.
You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, we got
gangster rap. Now you got trio. You even got the
country western you know, the country dudes doing the rap now,
you know what I mean over country music.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I look at it just like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Look at it more as a competitive sport now, like
just like how gaming it is now. And it's one
of them things. Man. I definitely like, man, the older
stuff a little bit better because it was a little
less disrespectful. You know, they got in people's ass, but
there was certain lines you didn't cross. Like if you
heard about a dude's mama just passed away, you was
gonna leave that alone. You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
It wasn't this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
You know, you had some dudes that got disrespectful though,
but they kept it to a limit when you agree,
be they kept it to limit. Now, like with that
cat man, like with the arsenal cat and stuff, Man,
I would probably whoop his ass.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, like I said, I would never you know, So
it's an acquired taste for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Smack you good now your yacky heavy Yeah for sure,
we can hear you man before we get to that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Yeah, pardon for the technical difficulties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Man, It's all good. It happened, man, But but that's
what we do. We go get through it. You know
what I'm saying, We get through.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
You know, I that modems and all type of ship.
This make sure I come back to this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Interview, man, sure, Man, And I appreciate it, Bro, And
I appreciate it because you know, it ain't every day man,
people get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So I really appreciate it. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
One of the things we talked about, man with some
of the disrespect because see, I'm a battle Rat fan eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I ain't gonna say, you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Know, he's not too familiar with the sport, you know
what I mean, He's not too familiar with it, right,
So I could be kind of like, you know, letting
him know what's going on with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
One of the things we talked about was back in
the day, wasn't it disrespectful?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
People would get in your ass, But they kind of
left some stuff to you know, they just left some
stuff to the imagination. They had a class about it,
you know what I mean. Now you got cancers, don't
give a fuck what they say to somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
I looked at that what was his name, Briant Arsenal.
I looked at Arsenal battle somebody's daughter. He was talking
about the dudes daughter or whatever like that. I said, Man,
how to probably knocked this dude out.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Yeah, man, you know, you gotta have a tough skin
to be in this culture. You know what I'm saying,
there's no rules. You know, you got some dudes that
respect certain ethnics in certain codes. Then you got some
dudes that just don't give a fucking just gonna just
do that. Like you know what I'm saying, Arsenal, Arsenals,
he's known, his name is missed, disrespectful, he gonna disrespect

(01:03:47):
Andy and everything going. I've done seen people speak about
the dead, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I've seen people talk.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
About you know what I'm saying baby moms and all
types of shit, Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
That's why, like, you gotta have a tough skin to
be in this culture.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
And you know what I'm saying, your your your your
resume or your rapport, your your your your your your
your life gotta be you know what I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Mean, squeaky clean.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Because if anything, you got any dirt on your name
or any dirt that's associated with you, motherfucker's is gonna
find that ship and try to expose it. I mean,
that's a part of the culture. You know what I mean,
that's part of the coach, that's part of this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Well, it's just coming out for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
So let's talk about man. Let's talk about summer.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
That's thirteen. Man, you gotta wind up on the man.
Who you looking at? Who you're looking to see the moves?
Who are you looking forward to see over there?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Every everybody, every battle I put everything together. I want
to to I put this card. I want to see
every battle on his card.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Man. So you personally, you said, what So you personally
put this card together?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, with the assistance of my team and ship like that.
But like you know, I co signed and check off
on everything. You understand what I'm saying. So, like you
know what I mean, this car right here.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
I want to see the outcome of every battle because
I feel like everything, every battle on this car is competitive.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
You know. Sure, one of the names on there, it's
because a lot of legends on there, man, But one
name in particular, Man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
How would have done? How long has How would have Done?
Been around? Man forever? You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
He was He's one of the like you know what
I mean, He was another on Smack DVD. It's certain
classes of the ship though, you know what I'm saying.
You got the Godfathers of the Grandfathers of the coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Which was you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
You know, the Murder Moves of course, the Loaded Lucks,
J Mills, the party Artis, the t Rex's, the the
mid Midwest Miles, you got X factor, you got like
these dudes was on Smack DVD map Hot for Eye
inside Coloman. You know what I'm saying, These are the

(01:06:02):
dudes that's in the coaching that was on the Smack EVD.
So they considered like the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
The Godfathers or the grand the Granddaddy's other ship.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
And then you got the U R L class you
know what i mean, which you know, consists of like
you know what I'm saying, the Hollow, the Dons, the
Tate Rocks, the you know, you know everybody else, Calicos,
the you know then you know J Mills, I mean
not J Mills, but like you know, I mean the

(01:06:32):
Geechee Gottis, the Rumnittis, the New Jersey Torch, the you
know what I'm saying, those are like the newer generations
of like you know what I'm saying, it's coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
So you know you mentioned the main man that's a
friend of our show man that's extent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
His cousin's over here with me right now. Man gott
you man, that kid really came in and made the impact.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Man Nutty blocked, Nutty Gang, I heard you over. Yeah,
I was in a hood.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
You know, I had to come tap in and see
what the fuck was going on. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I had to see if someone was certified.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
He showed me he was certified.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
The whole hook came out, you know what I'm saying,
and it just you know, gave me that hospitality, like
you know what I'm saying, made me feel I'm good
over there anytime I pull up. You know what I'm saying,
And you know what I mean, it's vice versa on
my side.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Way, you know what I'm saying. He come, You know
what I'm saying. In New York, but like you know
what I'm saying, Nah, I saw love.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
You know what I'm saying. You know, geeky, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
One of the best you know what I'm saying in
the culture right now, hands down, hands down, I speaking
that real.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
You know what I'm saying, hood shit that you know, real.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Street dudes appreciate.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
So you know what I'm saying, He's definitely, you know
what I'm saying, one of my favorites right now. You
know what I mean, I got a lot, I got
a great deal of respect, and I'll rock with him
and shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Well, you truly a hustler man, And this is gonna
be on the Caffeine APIs everybody we would have a link.
We gonna make sure to put a link in the
description man, so they can go to caffeine Man to
sign up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Man. How did you get plugged up? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Because I heard a lot of it. Man, You just
like the world's greatest ustler man. Looked up Man, you
signed the big deals man with Caffeine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
That's what I said. Man, he out there getting some paper.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Champagne shopping, champagne poppy. You know what I'm saying, Drake,
You know you know what I mean. He's the liaison
between the connection between me and caffeine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
You know, I got a good relationship with you know
what I'm saying the whole over Yon Drake himself, and
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
We always used to trap it up. And you know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
He's like such a big you know what I'm saying,
battle rap fan and a fan of Smack first and foremost,
and a fan of the U r L TV movement,
and you know what I mean, It's just like every
time we used to see each other, He's like your snack, Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
I promise you, yo, We're gonna do something. Man, We're
gonna do something.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
I'm gonna put a player for us together so we
can get some money together. I just wanted, basically, you
know what I'm saying, you know, show my love and
appreciation of your contributions, of what you brought to this culture,
and I just want to just get some money with you.
I'm gonna put a play together for you, and you
know what I'm saying, We're gonna, We're gonna make something happen.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
I got you, you know what I'm saying. And you know,
you know he we always used to say that shit.
He always used to say that shit. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
He popped up to one of my events like, Yo,
I have to come here and smack you. I'm telling
you we're gonna do saying, and then he really called
me like yo, smack yo.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I got it, Yo. This is what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
This, this, this, that and the third you know what
I'm saying. You know, so he put that, you know
what I'm saying, plug together and you know what I'm saying.
He threw me a layup and I ain't never looked back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
I just took the ball and ran with it. You
feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
And you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Yeah, so you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
That's how we linked with caffeine and shit, you know
what I mean. We did the caffeine thing. You know
what I mean, shot the caffeine. You know, I just
gave the world the opportunity, like you know what I'm saying, saying,
to have access. That was our vision, Like you know
what I'm saying. Because he used to like Drake is
such a fan.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
He used to be on the phone for like, you
know what I'm saying. I was just going back and
forth and shit. He's like, Yo, I've seen that event.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
I like this, but this kind of like it took
me so long to log in and I had troubles,
like you know what i mean, logging and I can't
see this shit for.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Like a certain amount of time, and then it came on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
We got to fix all that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
So he just felt like, you know what I'm saying,
He wanted to give you know what I mean, a culture,
like you know what I'm saying, a better experience when
it came to having access to the content, you know
what I'm saying. So that was his angle with his
just like damn, how can I make this shit bigger?
And you know what i mean, We're just like, yo,
damn yo. You know it would be dope.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Fuck the pay per view, Like you know what I'm
saying that the world actually see this shit for free,
but you still get your bread, you know what I'm say.
I'm saying, let's try to do something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
So he created an opportunity for us to link up
with you know what I mean, a streaming company as Caffeine.
They was just getting off the ground. They needed the content,
they needed the you know what I'm saying to use
a you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Base and shit like that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
So we had everybody signed up to Caffeine to have
access to the content, and you know what I'm saying,
it was a perfect marriage and shit for you know
what I'm saying the time and shit like you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
So, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
It's very dope, man, And I'm a fan of that movement. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I'm actually got some plays on working man, because I
do believe that you can make a lot of money
off of content, man, but get it to the people
for free. Yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. And
that's one of the good things that technology has brought
to the table.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
And we did it in the middle of the pandemic
when everybody was stuck in the motherfucking house, you understand.
So it was like, you know what I mean, it
just made perfect sense, you know what I mean. It's like, Yo,
we're gonna just do this shit real quick, you know
what I mean. Everybody's tuned in, everybody's trapped.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
In the house, like you know what I Man, let's
put on that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
You're now. One of the questions I had, man, because
I heard you wasn't hosting it this year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Nah, I'm hosting, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
I was just like, you know, I put out a
thread the other day just like like yo, you know
what I mean, Like, yo, man, you know I'm fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Into this shit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Man, this is something man that's thirteen man, Like you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I'm like, I'm like fifteen years into this shit. So
I'm just like yo, man, Yo, this card is so crazy,
you know what I mean, and so competitive.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I just want to enjoy it. As from a fan's perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
I want to enjoy your shit, just like I'm a fan.
First niggas think yo smack just this, that and the third,
But nah, I really love this shit man. You understand
what I'm saying. So it's like I want to just chill,
sip on my drink and just watch, you know what
I mean, everybody get busy, you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Know what I mean, instead of like, you know what
I mean. So I was just like, yo, man, I'm
about to do something with you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
I might have you know what I mean, just you know,
just different people host so I might just get a
co host or whatever, just to turn up, just to
you know what I'm saying, so I could just sit
back and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Just enjoy this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Man. You know, sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
With it, huh yeah, sometimes you just want to watch
your son play because you know me and they both.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
You know, my perspective in my view is the best
view in our house though, because I'm right there in
front of center.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
But I just want to just get a different you
know what I'm saying, point of view and ship like that.
I want to see how I feel it, you know
what I mean. Sit down, man, I've been standing on
my feet. You know what I'm saying for years.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
You know what I'm say.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
You know them batteries and the eventually longest longest hit man.
You know, I talking about nine hours standing on your feet.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
You know what I mean. Just chilling, you know what
I mean. And it's just like yo, I just want
to be chilling. I just want to sit back and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Just enjoy this shit sometimes, man, you know, or yeah,
for sure, for sure, man, I'm gonna asking this question.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I know I ain't gonna get no answer from you.
Any predictions.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Of of of of summer madness?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Yeah, of course madness. Yeah, any predictions. Oh man, no,
I don't. You know, you know, I don't got no.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Like I put the car together to figure the ship out, man,
Like this is what I do it Like I really.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Like battle with like you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I put the car together because I don't know who
the fuck will win these battles, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I don't know who's gonna win.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
So it's like I feel like everybody have a chance
to win. That's why that's how I picked the card,
because it's so competitive. You got Jerry West versus DNA.
You got t T, you got t Top against you
know what I'm saying, John Johna done like anybody could
take it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
You got shotguns, Shigar against motherfucking you know what I'm saying, Fans.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Against fans.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
You know what I'm saying, Like that that that's that's crazy.
You gotta hollow the down versus New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Twurk's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
You got DNA versus Jerry West.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
It's gonna be crazy. It's a crazy car. Like it's
a crazy car, and people and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
People and people are trying to, like, you know, criticize
the card, saying your shit is Mikia.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Yo, Bro, I don't do the name shit no more
like I've been off the name shit. I want people
that get busy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
I want people that's gonna go and you know what
I'm saying, give one hundred and ten percent when they
step in that motherfucking stage and really turn up and
everybody that's battling each other is gonna basically, you know
what I'm saying, deliver the best performance. Like that's how
I put the car together. I ain't give a fuck
about getting who got the biggest profile of that name

(01:15:38):
or that nah, like nah, these dudes basically are the
most consistent in the game right now for my person
from my point of view.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
You know what I'm saying wrong, You're keeping it wrong,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
And I guarantee you, and I guarantee you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I guarantee you that this is gonna be like the
best card of the year. Guy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
You know what I'm saying content wise?

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
You know what I mean when it comes to entertainment,
when it comes to the competitiveness of the culture, I
guarantee you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
This ship, Like you know what I'm saying be You
know what I mean that that that that ship. I'm
the god of this ship. I'm the god of this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
I'm the god of this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Let's talk, I'm the god of this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
So so so so so.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
You know, I love when people try to like question
me and and try to like, we're gonna see what
it's hitting for we are.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
This is what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
You understand.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
I'm talk You know I'm gonna talk. You're I'm gonna
talking respectfully, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
And you know, at the end of the day, when
it's all sudding down, i'mna just look and like, yeah,
I told y'all, so you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Like I told y'all, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
And I want to see anybody else that's doing anything
else in the motherfucking culture live up to what the
fuck this ship is gonna live up to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Hence done. Like I said, Man, you've done it twice. Man.
You know, look, let me tell you something before we
get out of here. Man, it is very hard.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
To pull the needle out the haystack. You feel what
I'm saying, To think of that one dope idea that's
life changing. I've had the chance to do it twice
in my life. You know big, you know, to think
of something and it's really flourished from me, right, it's
hard to think of one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
You've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
You've done it multiple times, and you've created an industry.
Bro Like, honestly, without you, I probably you talk about
I inspired you. I wouldn't be doing what I was
doing without you did the first.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I was the first,
Like Nigga, I was the first podcast to you know,
all these podcasts running around, you know what I mean,
and they ain't not even doing Like I'm not even
gonna I'm not gonna talk too much because I don't
want to give them too much game. But like you
know what I'm saying, at the end of the day,
now they're not even doing it how they need to

(01:18:03):
be doing it. But like you know what I'm saying.
You know, you know, it's easy to set up a
microphone and just talk to somebody and just talk shit
and shit like that. But like at the end of
the day, man, you know, I could come back anytime
and take and reign supreme.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Man, come back on me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
I can come back anytime I want and reign supreme
because I'm connected to a different and higher source, a
higher power and the ship.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
That's what I'm saying. Like I got the I got
the realist and the biggest dudes like you know what
I mean behind me, Like you know what I mean.
All the dudes that it's over here came up looking
and watching me. You feel me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
So it's like, you know, anytime I want to want
one change, I could just press the button. And you
know that's just the blessings and the gift that I
have for the from the contributions that you know what
I'm saying, I gave to this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
And you know what, dude that's in position, that's real respected.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
They respected. You know what it is too, Man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I can tell that everything you do, you come in
to it with the intended just doing the dopest thing possible.
I'm gonna tell you what the problem is today with
just in general, with content and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Everybody is looking to make a bag. Everybody's looking to
make a bag. Man. But I appreciate you man coming
to sit down with us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Man, You'll remember, definitely, Man, I had a good time.
I had a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I'm sure nobody like.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
You know what I'm saying, Yo, man, when when when
you I'm ready?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
When you ready man?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Or you know you know what the next time, man,
the next time I want you to be sitting out
here with us. When the next time you be on
the coast.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
A ship man, I don't even know. I don't even
got no no nothing on my itiner rate right now
for l A or CALLI. You know what I'm saying
right now? But ship we we we we can make
it something.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
You know, me and me and eight will be in
New York the first of the year. We're gonna go
make our little run out. There's time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
We got to go to New York. You know what
I mean. We can run out there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Dog we go bump in to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
Nah, Just keep the lines open, you know what I'm saying.
You know, I'm gonna get your information, You're gonna take.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Minds, and then we're gonna definitely keep the lines of
communications open, you know what I mean, and connect.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
If you ain't doing nothing on the twenty seven, come
come pull up, man, you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Gotta come pull up like I might just do that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
I might, you know what you know I'm gonna roll out,
you know, yo, listen, I'm rolling out the red carpet.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
You know we got to keep it. You know, we
got the key to the city for the weekend. You
know what I'm saying. I got, I got, I got,
I got a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Ship going off for the whole weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Come come come through and that you you know what
I mean, that's that's that's you know, be the you
know what I mean, the official start of an introduction.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Of like you know what I'm saying for real, like yo,
come come pull up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
For sure for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
So that concludes this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
But before we go, I need you guys to go
in that description going to the description down there, man,
because some of y'all out there, I wonder about some
of y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Love y'all, but I wonder go down there and hit
that caffeineling.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
So on August twenty seven, when it jumps off, you
don't miss out because it's gonna be something to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Trust murder out So man is thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Don't miss history. Be a part of it. You're let's
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
On that note, were out of here. Well, that concludes
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