August 21, 2025 • 61 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks the chronic goals. This is not your average shows.
You're now tuned into the rail.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the gainst the Chronicles podcast, the production of
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Oh man, Shoot the same old man, same old dang man.
(00:40):
Another week, another week down the books. This year going
fast as hell.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, you gotta get it over which this year is
going fast as hell? Was craziest man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, I've been looking at these houses down at
Houston and we recently had like an appraise or just
done in her house. You know, you get the pair
to sell your house. You kind of want to know
where you're at in the market, right right, And they
said that our house is worth nine seventy. Now, for
those out there listening, nine seventy don't mean I'm rich
in California.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's a box. That's a max box, right, you know, yeah,
depending on the county in the area.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You live here, you know, that's like a regular hall.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And yeah, I living down your dog like big dog
stuff is up the street from me, like like them
two and three million dollars four million dollar cribs on
up the street in the Orange States and all that stuff.
And it's like, man, it's just the area.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You went. Like if you in Beverly Hill somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, and you your house a million dollars, dog, you
might be in a two bedroom.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right shit a one bedroom. Yeah, you know, it's the area, man.
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
One of the things I was looking at I was
looking at down like a folks in Houston they got
like six bedroom houses man on like a half an acre, man,
four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Man, Like I'm talking about bringing new houses. Yeah, brand
new house.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Only thing about that though, man, you know, when you
think about it, the good thing about it is, man,
we can kind of take our work with us wherever
we go. I don't know what the job market is
like like down there, though, so you know you're the
houses are cheap cheaper for a reason exactly. You know,
I don't think useless economy is bad. I think everywhere
(02:27):
is pretty much the same, right now. I know you
said you're gonna go ahead. The album finished this week.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm trying to get in the studio or
this service day Friday, finish shu up so we can
get some shit moving, you know, just you know, just
to do some shit. All people be thinking, you know,
niggas be desperate. I guess for income or whatever is why,
(02:54):
you know, I guess why they consider legacy or you know,
old school artists. She putting out music and but to
a lot of motherfuckers, it's just a it's just the
art of doing music. You know, a painter, you know,
can paint whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's on the rock. Whel painted up into his ladies, right.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You know, there's a lot of musicians, a lot of filmmakers,
a lot of motherfuckers who in that you know, fifteen
to twenty five age bracket that they you know, niggas
are still working so and a lot when you on
your artistic shit, it's not about income a lot. You know,
(03:44):
we do the podcast and there's other shit.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Niggas do shit.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm back coaching you know, kids, fourteen year old boys,
you know, trying to give back, do some shit. I
was doing a while ago when I was on a house.
I this from making music, but I guess you never
stopped making music because when you just feel like urge,
be lovely, going to the studio, righteous and songs or
(04:10):
whatever make you some beets or whatever. You might not
intend for the shit to go anywhere, but it's still
in you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You know what I'm saying. So well, I.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Wouldn't even really consider myself. I've always kind of like
had a foot in the music industry. I guess you
would call me like one of them up where I
really not, I guess a full time manager, but I'm
one of them dudes, help you know, a few people
out or whatever. And I've always had a foot in
the music business. That's because I think I love music.
(04:42):
It's not because necessarily, you know, because if you're in
there for the money, man, I think we all got
other stuff that we can do to make more money.
You feel what I'm saying right, Like, I think I've
all you know. I think I've always been really clear
on this show that the show is called against the Chronicles.
But I'm not a gangst right the gang banged in
my life. That's just not my thing. I was. I
(05:04):
guess what you would call the school boy, I played
college football, did all that, just like any other normal
dude coming up in the neighborhood. I have my little
pitfalls that Luckily I didn't get too deeply involved in.
I did my thing, but I haven't necessarily wanted to
try to sell effect that me being that's just just
king Pin on the streets and just you know, gang banger.
(05:26):
I was just a normal dude coming up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I guess growing up in the environment you know that
I grew up in.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And just how I was talking to my people's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know the other day, and you know, saying, how
you know, when the nigga was young, we used to
socialize over the families houses, and you know, my mom
used to drive over to my aunties and you know,
we would sit up in the up in my cousin's
(06:02):
room while they'd be in the den playing music and drinking,
and you know it, and there was no niggas was
living in poverty.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But we didn't know that shit. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, well, you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Don't know that when you're younger, man, because everybody on
the same level.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Right you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And I was just talking about how we socialized being
with music and my mom's and men playing music and
drinking and we being with our cousins and doing all
that type of shit. But still, you know, like you said,
as a kid, I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
What poverty was.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I didn't know what, you know, living in the hood,
you know, so to speak, you know a set, you know,
because we grew up in sets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I didn't know what that was all about until.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I got thirteen fourteen, and that was the heavy influence
of a lot of our childhoods, you know. So I
don't think even having the powers of being an artist
or thinking of anything else, because once that affects you,
(07:18):
and the poverty and the influences of the drugs and
the drug dealers and gravitating to that lifestyle is what
influenced me to start gang banging. And you know, just
you know, twenty and thirty niggas, you know, belonging from
the same or you know, the same section, and representing
(07:44):
that to the fullest and being a kid, you know
who parente got divorced, and you know, we moved to Compton,
there at a very young age, and seeing that, I guess,
you know, not having any other guidances of you know,
(08:06):
not to say that my parents wasn't good parents. You know,
they weren't had jobs. But I guess being naive to
what was out on the streets made a nigga started
w nig gang dang because I thought that life was
the best show.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know that you think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They's not to catch you off, bro, but think about this, right,
It's the same all across the country. Man, whether you
in Detroit, Michigan, whether you're in Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Columbus, Atlanta, whatever.
You grew up in the neighborhood, and your people that
live next door to you and down the street from you,
people your peers, so to speak. People that you go
(08:48):
to school with, that you might jump on the bus
with every morning. These cats that you see every day
of your life up until you get about seventeen, right,
and you kind of going from that moment, those are
your peers. I wonder if that's considered the game, bro,
because I ran with a crew of dudes. I had
a crew of homeboys from one hundred and Thirdstreet. Oh
you know, kind of from ninety nine Street to one
(09:08):
hundred and Thirduse. That was my neighborhood. We all played
football together up at the park, We played basketball together,
we went to school. Now, if somebody from around the
other Wade came trying to start some funk with one person,
we was all gonna get into it. You just can't
come up in the neighborhood trying to punk the homie. Yeah,
(09:29):
even though we didn't necessarily fall into that whole chryptin
Blood Moniker, it was still the same thing because I
think it's black people.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We all kind of tribal anyway, almost like you.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Know, right, because it wouldn't You couldn't just come to
my neighborhood man and punk one of the homies. Or
if you did come, it was gonna have to be
a fair one. You wasn't gonna bring them. And if
you came over there with more than one person, you
was liable to get shocked out because we take that
as a sign, oh you're trying to come over here
and jump on a homie.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Now, yeah, I guess up into a certain time, you
know when, like you said, you're a little crue or
your little clique, because like you said, I had friends
before I you know, initially you know, started gang band
and my my my niggas, the niggas in my set
(10:20):
became my friends.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And nigga's outside of that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Who I went to school with and played with and
rode bikes up and down the street with and all that,
they became irrelevant as friends because now my friends or
you know, the homies in the set. So like you said,
I don't know. I guess you know, where where you
(10:46):
grow up from what is considered a gang or a
click up into a certain age, so you really start
claiming what what your neighborhood is or wherever you're gonna
be from. Because said, I ran with a crew as
little kids, and we played football, and we rode our
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bikes at the store, and you know, we would venture
off the places and bullshit like that. So but I
don't know if that would have been considered a gang
because it was only a handful of us, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it's
not gonna send the game, but with me and you
would turn coin a gang, you feel what I'm saying.
If we baby, it was.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Like a crew.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But when you start talking about people outside the community.
If they see a group of black kids hanging out together,
they gonna look at them and say, oh, that's a
gang over there.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Nigga Rose is up to no goods.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
You feel what I'm saying, all right, they up to
no good look at them near a gang. So I
think that classification, man, kind of just you know, goes across.
I had an incident the other day, man, and I
got a family to watch this show. And the thing
that pissed me off about doing this podcast stuff is
I keep as much as I tell my my relatives
(12:03):
and homies. Man, this stuff is not real. And I
believe none of these cats on here saying this. Ain't
nobody got socked out, Ain't nobody jumping nobody really is
just a bunch of lying ass niggas.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
To keep it one.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Thousand with you for the most part, now this is
don't go to everybody, But for the most part, it's
a bunch of people trying to entertain somebody they know.
People are very entertained by bullshit, so they go start bullshit.
So with all me mixing the names, these people know
who I'm talking about. A relative of mind. He's been
locked up for the past. I would say, Man, my
(12:36):
oldest son is in his thirties now and he went
to jail when this dude with team. So he's been
locked up for the twenty five years incarcerated.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right, So this.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Dude, you know when when the homies, just when people
just you know, they are locked up where they family
members or homies, they just come home. They assume that
everything is from the point that they left to now
that still don't stay the same, right, so they have
plenty of reference. They don't realize that this this big
gap gap people that they're doing different things now.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So he comes home and he's watching all this BS
that's on the internet, right, all the stuff that come up,
and somebody mentioned something again. You know, we got a
bunch of lying ass people on this motherfucker right that's
gonna say anything just a makeup shit. That's why me
and you could never get into that, because we're not
good at just making up shit.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I just can't sit up here and say, well, man, eight,
you know I socked eight out yesterday and that never happened.
But people that come on here and say that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, when they yeah, when they got to do with
Kyle Chin and click bait and shit like that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, my wife is sitting up there and she hears
him talking to my sister in law, and he my
name comes up, and he gets to talk and cash
shit like man, how he got to show the gains
the chronicles he was a schoolboy and this and that
won't they won't. And then he get to talking about
some stuff that he has no clue about, because one,
(14:06):
you went to jail twenty five years ago. In two
you don't know what idea prior to meeting your sister, right,
They have no clue. You know, idea was you didn't
know me, right and you were a little kid to
keep one hundred with you. So my wife handled it
like a professional because she knows like she knows that
if she hears somebody say some dumb shit on here,
(14:28):
first of all, she's not gonna go listen to it, right,
And what really trusts me out anywhere is why are
y'all people listening to stuff people have the sparage things
to say about me. I know me if I I
don't tune into a bunch of bulls shake, because I'd
like to think I got better stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
With my time.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But if you my guy, man, you've been doing this
show for some years now, and I'm not gonna sit
up and be entertained by somebody on there talking bad
about you, because you're a person I messed with, right,
So I'm not even gonna get that. No airplay, you
would not get a you would not get a click
for me. Now, sometimes what I will do is me
and you both have done this to world. We are
(15:09):
listening to something really and call each other and laugh
about it, right, And that's.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
The extent of it, right, But I don't take it serious.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It would be almost like me turning into something to
hearing somebody saying, well, you know, eight, don't really fuck
with steal and wump they wimp they want. I'm not
gonna take that serious at all of this. I'm like, well, man,
me and this man do the show together every week,
and there's never been a time to where if Aid
had a problem with something, he was shy about telling
me how he felt. Those are conversations that if we
(15:37):
do have an issue, we talk about. We ain't never
had no issue. We ain't never we ain't necessarily agreed
on everything, but we have conversations about it exactly, and
we don't do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
A bunch of text.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And if it's something I really feel I need to
talk to you about and I don't want to get
the message confused, I'm gonna pick up the phone and
call you because I'm not gonna text, Because even texts
can be kind of ambiguous to where you could look
at the text and I might say something might not
mean nothing at all by it, but you could look
at that text like.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Hold on, man, what is that dude talking about? You?
Feel me?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So my wife told him and it kind of just
tripped me out. It didn't really bother me, but it
tripped me out. Now, I said, now, instead of this
guy calling me, he would rather sit up in gossip
pot and make assumptions and really listening somebody that don't
know nothing about me. Because out of all the co
(16:31):
hosts I've had on this show, eight I would say
that me and you know each other better than those
like I was never friends with none of the co
hosts on fronts like I was never like we never
did stuff outside the show.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It was a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We did the show, and they went their way and
out went mine. Right, So we really didn't know each
other so to speak, you know, and you're gonna have
those type of business relationships. People go to work every
day man, that that friends with each other are working
the same cubicle right next to each other, and as
long as they cordial with each other, you don't have
to be friends and you can go make niggas or
dollars with somebody. How many rap troops that you know
(17:03):
coming up with the things that you knew behind the scenes,
these niggas really didn't like each other.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, it's a few, but like you said, it's about
making money though, so shit, yes, it's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's a business.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I knew, well not to put people's business out there,
but I knew a whole bunch of popping rap groups
to where as soon as they got off their stage,
they was going these separate ways. They was on their
own buses on and everything like that. They didn't even
talk to each other. Because it's one of those things, man.
And I think it's one of those things to where
when you when you hanging just to macgine, hanging out
(17:37):
with somebody man from the age of seventeen to the
age of forty five, and y'all really still both doing
some little kids.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Y'all still doing shit y'all did when y'all were seventeen
on stage the masses. But as y'all grew, y'all got families. No,
y'all got different stuff that y'all into. Sometimes people just
grow apart.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Man, Well, it happens when shit is is, you know then,
And I tell niggas that all the time. Shit you
gotta understand when business is his business, you know what
I'm saying. And that's why when shit is on some
real friendship, it can it can sustain and survive a
(18:18):
lot of shit. But you know, sometimes niggas that you
run across, you know, on your journeys, niggas try to
make themselves official or seem like their valuable part. But
most of the time those are the niggas who connive
in and steaming and praying on your downfall.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And so those are the motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You tend to see that fly by night, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know what I'm saying. They come along, they make
their presence thinking.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That day official and oh man, man, that's my nigga,
And won't they won't the next day?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know, is fucking with that nigga? No.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean, you know, and it ain't like that, but
it just didn't work out. It wasn't meant to be.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
If somebody, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It happens a lot of time, and it in through
business situations. And that's why I try to tell niggas
on all can't be but heard or feeling hurt or whatever,
when truly it was just on some business shit, you
get me stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And you grew to be friends because I remember eight
when we first started doing this show. I tell you
about it all the time when I laugh. You didn't
have two words for nobody. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You was cool and cordial, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Would come in, do your ship and leave. There wasn't
no hanging out afterwards. It wasn't no, it wasn't no
bunchet side hard. It was kind of like, I'm here,
I'm doing my thing and I leave right and I
suld be wondering. I'm like, man, damn, it's eight go
talk is he go? And then everything turned out to
be all right and we we developed a real friendship
over time. There was real friendship because it was it
(19:56):
wasn't based on no fake shit. It was based on
a level of respect, right, that we have for each other,
and we just you know, start finding out we have
stuff in common and started just you know, develop a
friendship right with everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Back to this one thing though, right, why did you
think that is, man, that people have this need for
gossip and constant drama.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I've always been the one that called.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Somebody if I thought it was if I saw something
that I would think offending me. Man, Like, I've had
issues with people who are real good friends of mine.
Nothing when you have long term relationships. If you do
have a long term relationship with somebody and y'all never
have no kind of life and I ain't got to
say falling out but a disagreement, right, I would like
(20:43):
to say that that relationship probably ain't too genuine. That's
why I wants fake for you to go through a
home decades of knowing each other and y'all never had
no Now you can have a thing that where you
never had no Like, I've had friends, and I've been
with people all my whole life.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right, We've had fistfights, we've had we're on cuts them out.
He cussed me out, but it never went It never
went to a place of disrespect. We might even have
a thing that where we weren't talking each other for
a month, but we would always come back around, wind
up being cool, right because you know, the friendship does
(21:21):
draw you back in. But why do you think people
like messing? Nowadays?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Many telling shit? It's what's it was popularized.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
That's why I mean shit, that's why motherfuckers like mess
because it's popularized, and a lot of niggas who calls
and the mess is looking for shit like they the
invention of the social media. I mean, it's good for
(21:53):
some shit, right Still, it's good for some shit at
a point.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But this ship has really turned to a lot of bullshit,
you know what I'm saying. There's a lot of bullshit, man.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And for a while, you would you would have old
you would have hoped that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Motherfuckers that you deal with in business.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the same ship that we deal with as far
as the podcasts and the business of it. You would
think that motherfuckers would be genuine on a certain level
and stick to those old rules and regulations that you
hold value too. But a lot of niggas get sidetrack,
(22:39):
and niggas who are supposed to be official because the
root of the dollar.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You get me. They fantasize about the root of the.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Dollar and wanting to be sold impressionable the motherfuckers. You
give me, I gotta make a good impression on motherfuckers. Man,
So nigga, I got in and they feel money and
and status puts you there. You get me, like I said,
all like, like I always say. You know, there was
(23:13):
a time when motherfuckers held any kind of autistic vision
or whatever to a certain standard.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You get me. Ain't no there there's no kind of
standard today with it. You get me.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
If I if I can, if I could create mess
in this genre of what we're doing today, and I
can popularize it to where it can go in my
bocket and I can get fame from it. Some people
don't give a fuck about the consequences of bullshit because,
let's face it, when niggas turn the cameras off, they
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feel like they life won't they won't be normal. Right
by Okay, I just told the motherfucker fuck you and
all that shit, But damn you pull up somewhere, you
buy yourself with your wife at the grocery store and
the nigga, catch you slipping. First thing niggas want to
do is though, Oh that was for the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That, man, you wouldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And the thing I always tell people, me and eight
actually went on the show and talked about things that
really the conversation we went on here and had the
conversations that we really have offline. Man, we would be
in the news clippings every week, every episode. It would
be something new footings. But the thing about it is
it would be all be factual. It wouldn't be no
(24:34):
lies told, right right. I think about it sometimes, right,
Because I'm a person that goes outside. I don't hide
in the house, and I'm in the public. I'm in
the malls. You may see me in the movie theater.
You may look up in the pizza rea and see
me the slices of pizza next to you. Because regular person.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what, man, I don't talk about my personal
life a whole lot, man, But I have a college
three have an executive job. This is not my only
source of income. I have a job in a real world.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm not a part of this little fake ass world
that these dudes live in. You feel what I'm saying, well,
I get some people in a comfortable would be normal, right,
And I've never had.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
No problem with the age. You've known that since you
met me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've always had like a regular situation going on.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not in Walmart.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, we're moving boxes, and there's nothing wrong with that, right,
definitely ain't nothing wrong with that. But I have an
executive job. Dog, I'm an executive, right, I'd get to
work me a nice trust nice when I go to work.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
At my shoes. I got a company car and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right, I wouldn't care if I started making millions of
dollars from this podcast. I wouldn't quit because I make
a lot of money at my job. There would be
no reason. I never saw the reason for me to
quit one because I have the other man with This
is something we do for our rock the week, and
we do a little bit of planning before, but it's
not nothing to make that much brain wrestling to where
(26:02):
I just got to stop. And I've always represented myself
as nobody else but who I am. And because I'm
in the real world and I have people wear my
last name and I'm accountable for things, I've always cared
about how I presented myself. You feel me, right, I've
never got I've never gotten this stuff. I don't belong
(26:24):
to this little like this world, man, this whole world
of podcasting and entertainment, it's just phony, bro, It's really fake.
And if y'all believe anything that these people out here
saying half of what these people are saying, man, you
need your ass or.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You need it's unfortunate that you know of a lot
of people in.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
This day and age are very naive too what is
broadcast to them as far as truths or false you know,
in that situation, lies or truth or rumors or or
(27:10):
or whatever. Like I said, back in the days, there
was a certain time where when you reported shit or
you were scared to even talk on rumors or bullshit
because the shit wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And it was bullshit. Maide up, you could get in
trouble for that shit. You know. That's why.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Newspapers, you know, would have to get they facts straight
or they would have to reprint and do apologies when
they wouldn't have the truth about shit. Nowadays, like I said,
people with the Internet and so much shit that's broadcast,
motherfuckers are naive to what's really you know, it's like
(27:56):
a it's like a motherfucker can't decipher what might be
some made up bullshit or some shit that's true.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And yeah, and it's gonna get even more worse. But
this ain't ho shit, dog.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You know, you see it all the time because I
go through Facebook or I go through something, and it'll
be a motherfucker whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It'll just be some made up shit.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Oh, this motherfucker left, this motherfucker or this motherfucker got
caught up in this and won't he won't.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And then you'll.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
See, like, man, don't believe this motherfucker lot. I saw
some shit about Snoop and the family and he was
part broken because something happened and Woop he won't and
I'm like it may none of his people. Then you
see his people, you know, chime in there and like
(28:52):
those are in his family, and that's something maid up.
Like people really go out of their way to make
up shit just to see how nearly people they can
get to comment on, you know, the bullshit like oh,
Norman Steele got divorced from his wife because he was
(29:15):
caught cheating with this girl. And it's some a high
made up shit.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But then you really have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
People who sitting there who can't decipher that that shit
has faith, like still still would never do that ship,
like oh, that's someth that's it's like people. And then
you see you will see people arguing with people who
have common sense, right, people who have common sense, who goes,
(29:51):
come on, y'all, y'all know damn well, that ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's a made up ship. And then you'll see people like, well,
how can we trust you?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
How can we trust you to know that it's some
maid of shit who says it's not really? And I'll
be sitting there like are these people so real? Like
like like you're questioning if the ship is fake or not?
Like you want that's some right, Like you can't that
that's some made up fake shit.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's like unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
But but now you as a person is really sitting
up questioning a person with common sense, going, well, how
do you know that that ain't real? He could be real,
he could really have cheated or did some shit, or
he won't. And then you he saying like people are really.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like you know what the fuck that part about it is? Though? Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Is this let us say it's real. Why do you care?
Why are you so invested in the boy? Hey, I'm
gonna be real with you. Have the stuff out here.
When I see it, I pay no mind to a
knock that. It's not even a part of my regular
day to day the conversation. Like I said, because me
and you live in the real world. You coaching you football? Bro,
you were entertainer of that show. Job me doing is
(31:10):
a me being a podcaster. I feel like being a
podcast is my part time job. But I'm a full
time man. I'm a man at one hundred percent of
the time, so you never go see me engaged in
those silly shit. Plus, like I said, I have a
I have a highly tired of position with a reputable company.
So it's I'm not gonna do too much foolishness. I'm
(31:30):
not gonna do no foolishness because I'm not gonna. I
have way too much to lose.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I have one investments, so when I retire, that me
and my wife can retire the right way. I live
in the real world, bro, and there is nothing wrong
with living in the real world.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Bro, There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, there's a lot of people who you know, and
you gotta give it up for people who still get
up in the morning and punch the flock and here go.
And some of us who respect that, ain't nothing wrong
with that, you know, you gotta have respect for that
(32:11):
because some you know, some niggas like myself was fortunate
to be able to do music and make records and
live in the time where records were, you know, highly
appreciated in the genre of rap music and being able
(32:31):
to kick in that door as captain's most wanted and
you know, myself to be able to tell stories of
how you know, our life was and maybe yours too.
So some of us were fortunate enough to do that.
And there's some of us wasn't, you know, because there's
(32:55):
a lot there's a lot of dudes who entered this
game who didn't sustain. And I'm not one of the
biggest richest niggas in rap. I've done my part, you
know what I'm saying. But again, shit, before I started
(33:15):
rapping and making records, I had three or four regular jobs.
And because I didn't consider myself a drug dealer, I
was a gang banger. Now you know, you had niggas
from the hood who sold ya and made bread and
you know, it was balling and whatever whatever. But I
(33:37):
knew about the pitfalls of being.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
A drug dealer. I knew a lot of the homies
who you know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Were in the FEDS and who were getting long time
behind you know, having.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A couple of crack pieces and shit.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So I don't particularly think that I wanted to go
that route as far as you know, street life was concerned.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So I just gang bang. Did I dibble and dabble a.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Little bit, of course, to have money to eat and
you know, maybe get.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
A brand new pair of khakis.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And some shit to wear, and you know, to have
some funds in my pocket and shit like that. But
other than that, you know, I didn't consider myself the
ball or drug dealer. So nigga I had. I had
a couple of regular jobs until the music broke, and
(34:37):
I had no.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Regrets about having to get up.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And go to work, you get me, because that was
how I got paid.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Shit, there's a lot of niggas who came home from
prison or niggas who was in the hood, who niggas
was going to work and they it off work, come
to the hood and nigga still from the hood. Nigga
got they work best on or they construction best or
wherever nigga working at, and the nigga still was representing
(35:10):
the hood. So, like I said, in those times of
considering being normal, before the internet and computers jumped off
in every home and you know, microphones and niggas with
garages and couches, and you know, because the game now
(35:31):
is more is more open, just like the rap game was,
you feel me, We considered some of us the rap
game was the new drug game. Right. Exactly, you can
go by you, you go buy you some gay, right.
You can go buy you a fifty piece or whatever,
(35:52):
or a quarter piece, or you can go buy you
nine ounces or whatever and flip and.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Make you some bread.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, So we considered the record look game the new
joke game. Nigga, I can go out, put together me
some raps, nigga, put them on some beats and go
flip them shits and they gonna sell some units and
I'm gonna make some bread.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Fortunately, we wasn't hip enough to understand contracts or didn't
have lawyers. And still then even if you had a lawyer,
you would have thought that a lawyer would have been like, oh,
hell no, don't sign this shit. He motherfucker's finishing you
seventy cents a record, you feel me, and you'll ever
(36:40):
recoup that and pay that back. But shit, lawyers was
getting paid on the strip because they was negotiating the contracts,
so they was gonna make day five, ten, fifteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And on top of that, you gotta remember most of
those attorneys, especially back then, it was a with the
interest because a lot of these attorneys were working for
the labels as well.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well you thought, I never had a lawyer, and so
whoever was handling, uh the nigga shit I was signed to,
was like, you know, he was representing the whole pit shit,
you get me.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It wasn't like it anyway, So he didn't really get
with them.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
It wasn't like I was like with shit, let me
take this contract home to my mom and then we
gonna get us a lawyer and all shit, nigga, we
got no five grand to go retain, no lawyer to
look over, no recording contracts.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And all that. So what what would have been the outcome?
And you know what, and you were young, and you
were so young at the time that I was a
young nigga.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You you could have found attorney to do it on
a contingency basis that would have said, you know what,
ain't you don't have to have the money. Now, I'll
take my I'll take my retainer at once we close
the deal, but I'm gonna make sure you got the
best deal of you know, they show deal is one thousand,
and I'm gonna represent you through all your future endeavors. Man,
here'd the business attorneys that would have been glad to
see a young NCA walk up in the office, that
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would have did right by it.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Career. We would have hoped so.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But you know, at the time, there were a lot
of us walking in from out of the streets into
these corporate offices, and they knew we weren't that knowledgeable
about recording industry contracts and how the record business work.
A lot of them knew we were naive to that
(38:36):
because we were just niggas coming up out of poverty
in the ghetto and looking at you know, you buy
me a car, you know what I'm saying, Or I
could do this, or I could do that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I don't think I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Stand size about owning a home and you know, they
a certain certain shit. I didn't even fantasize about this
shit when I first started making records. I was just
like shit, I was trying to find a way to
(39:18):
exit from you know, the transition of trying to find something,
because I already tried dope.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We already overhear gang banging and it's just a circle.
You get me.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So at one point, nigga going to grow up and
it's still the hood. But shit, I got a little
kid now, you know, And what am I gonna do?
Go to jail? And now my kid is out here,
and you know, and I do something. I'm seventeen eighteen
(39:53):
years old. You give me it ain't. I can't be
acting my hums for money and shit like that. No
more so, or you know, thank goodness, Like I said,
a nigga had the vision of starting to write music,
but I wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about contracts and
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publishing and all that, and unfortunate, you know, I was
a young nigga seventeen eighteen. There was a nigga thirty
something who knew all about their ends and odds, and
that was a way for a motherfucker to go shit
here signing this side this, sign that, and when you
in a situation of desperation, because again I ain't the lead,
(40:40):
you feel me drive.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
A lot of people took advantage BacT.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think the biggest thing, right, the biggest thing all this,
man is this, and you have to look at the
bright side of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Sometimes hecks you not signed that fucked up? Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I'm pretty sure it's certain people bro Like I would
like to believe that if Unknown wouldn't have discovered CMW,
you'allays tell it enough to where somebody would have eventually
whether there had been easy to Eric and them or
trading somebody or somebody else, right, that would it says,
you know what, we're gonna pick these guys up, right,
(41:23):
But you know you've got an industry, and I always
say on nothing happened by accident, right, Everything happened for
a reason, right, you were able to carve out a
very enviable career.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Man. It's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man. You know what I think I was telling you
the other day, I've signed I've signed four artists to
record deals, and.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Out of those four artists broke none of them.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Nothing never really transpired like you know, one of them
got to come up with an album, but it was
very it was a very little fan fare, right, And
it wasn't because the album was whack. It's just how
it is, right, And I don't think people and I
think people always see like the jay Z's or the
NWA's and Cemw's and they like.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Think that everybody just because they have the deal, go
have that most success.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No, for every copy this most wanted, man, you have
maybe ten other groups is on the label that they
ain't going. They may come out and sell four hundred
copies bro right. You know Little Dirt is one of
the biggest artists in hip hop now. Little Dirk's first
album on Deaf Jam Dog, he did three hundred copies
this first week. I was just think if he could
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have just said, man, that's very disturacing. He had independent
rappers that were selling more than him, exactly, and you
on a major label, right, And sometimes these people on
these labels. That's why I'm not a fan of going
to go sign artists to deals, man, until they get
some traction.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Or because what happens though.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I could tell you an artist now, man that's on
a major label and he one dropped about probably five albums.
Them albums really sold nothing. Labels are in the business now,
dog to where some people just up there picking the budgets. Dog.
Some of these big producers, they may add one artist,
big artist that the label don't gave them. That this
who you go push right, Like a lot of these producers, man,
(43:18):
have label deals. They don't necessarily have artists that they
went out and signed on their own and developed. They
got somebody just at the labelhere, they got this key here, right,
or let's figure out what to do with him, so
you know what, we're gonna set them over here with
such and such right now, he hot, y'all gonna make
some records, right, same thing when Timberland had beat Club,
(43:38):
now Timberlin, he might have went out and signed some people.
But man, it's very few. It's very little artist development.
Like I got an artist right now. Man, I'm not
gonna say his name and nothing, because we're very in
the preliminary stages.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
But this dude got a chance to be really big.
But what we are doing by me knowing the business now, like, okay,
have four other shots with this. Olive wanted to go
fucked up, so we gonna do this and look different.
You know what, they want you to do the soundtrack
for the fief of World Cup. We'll go do that first.
Right before we put out a record on you, we
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gonna put off some street albums and get them motherfuckers
away for free. You feel what I'm saying, build you
a fan base up. We gonna put you on a
college problem on tour. Yeah, you ain't gonna get nothing
but a couple hundred bucks to show, but we gonna
go out and put you in front of people. So
when we do, when they do decide to put out
an album on you, it ain't because we begged them to.
It's because the the man is there and they have to.
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That's what happened to Dirk Man. TI's first album was
a flop, and we talked about dudes who turned out
to be really prolific artists like Ti is probably one
of the He's one of the biggest artists in hip
hop at one time. You know what I'm saying, jay
Z Man. Jay Z was thirty years old before he
really got the pop dog.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
He had to come on. They had, That's why they
started Rockefeller. Didn't nobody want to sign them, bro, and
sometimes you have to. Uh, That's why I say you
have to. You have to. You have to.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Understand the moves of business minded niggas as opposed to
artists who just I don't want to say desperate, but
you know, in my time, the doors were just opening
for rap artists. You know, it was a different situation
(45:36):
of you know, shit, nigga, we in a good in
the ghetto. We slang, your niggas is dying, We're going
to prison. I'm starting to make records and at the
age where I am, I'm not thinking like shit, fuck
going and shign the contract.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Nigga. I'm a follow the steps of of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The Thelonzo's or the fucking ease E's or the fucking
you know, the e forty's in them who was putting
out their records. But in my situation, I'm a solo
young nigga who who I ain't selling. I ain't selling
(46:21):
joke like that. I'm selling dope so I can buy
me a new outfit. And was like most of us
get some money and eat today, you're getting me. Mom's
just gotta pay rent and bills and she's struggling as
a single mom, not getting no child support from the
tops and shit, not that she took you, but she
(46:43):
chose not to fuck that, you get me. So the
struggle was real, you know, living in places where you
know you would you would in a million years, would
move your children. You feel me black, you know what,
go Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, but you know you staying
(47:04):
in spots where it's like, God, damn, this is where
we gotta leave you though, but at the time hits
like this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You ain't know no different.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But bro, you know what's crazy is this always somebody
like me around, a dude that got an idea, that's
figuring out a different way to skin a cat. If
I'd have knew you back then eight you'd asked you
an independent label, Like if I could have caught you
from the time that you signed to Sony, if I'd
have ran across you, I'd have convinced you somehow. Hey, man,
let's go start a label. You've been looking at me
like what nigga. I'll be like, Man, we gonna go
(47:35):
to city Hall and get a distribution and we're gonna
go to select them here to let them sell the
records in the Midwest and South you'd have been making
so much money man, so much brands, Sony would have
had a hard time getting the album from you.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Or what I should have done was, you know, I
should have been smart enough to go, you know, when
they decided to split the CON's most wanner shit, I've
been like, oh, well, I'm not signing to y'all. I
will signing to y'all is CMW. And now that all
of that shit is taken care of, I finna go
(48:06):
sign their C eight deal or do my own ship
because y'all ain't never did shit with CMW anywhere they
knew how to, you know, work it to where we're
gonna transition you from CMW all over to MC eight
and then here's a check and now you can handle
(48:28):
your own ship.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
And that's that shit.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Exactly so, because putting putting out three CMW records and
being on a roller coaster ride and you know, not
really seeing any bread and all of that, you know,
my stance at the time was fuck making records because
I had just did Minutes to Society and so I
was like, you know, I felt that that was my
(48:57):
my my my stand right there.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I have a he was realized dog not to cut
you off. I'm looking to feel my wedding ring dog,
and I'm like, where the fuck is my wedding ring at?
I just gave nolage some hamburger meat. You ain't get
some hamburger me other thing. I'll come right up from
my wing and the motherfucking hamburger meat dog. She on
ate my fucking ring upstairs and find it. Yeah, maybe
he took that motherfucker off and put it on the counter.
(49:22):
Before you know, I grabbed that hamburger meat dog and
I bought nowhere it's at. If theyin't in that pack
of hamburger meat dog, i'ma have to wait the dolledge
and use the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I had to get my wedding ring.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Oh yeah, because if you can't remember, because if you
can't remember, like.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
I don't, never take that motherfucker off. That's how I
knew it was. That's how I knew it was gone
right here, My wife's toll this ship. Now, ye are right,
he wants your hamburger ring and the thing. But but
you know what, though you telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
And what I always say is man, one thing we
can't do, and maybe it's a good thing, is we
can't go backward dog.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
No, we can't.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know, you wish, you know, you know, we all
wish we could have one do over, you know what
I'm saying. But that's not how life works. It's not
our God, you know, intended for you know, life to
be for us. You only live once, so you have
(50:21):
to learn from your mistakes. Unfortunately, some of us can
learn the first time around, and some of us it
takes a couple of go arounds to finally understand how,
you know, life is supposed to work, especially as an adult,
because we can become adult age but still not have
(50:47):
the mental capability to still deal with with grown up
life and how life works. And so a lot of
niggas get caught up and shit because you know, I
figured it.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
You feel, well, you know what I've noticed with this
hip hop shit man, because you know, I go to shows,
and you know the thing about hip hop. When you
go to the show, it's almost like going to school, right,
you know, you back to school. On the first day,
you see all the homies. Some of them you see
pretty regularly. Some of them you might see just on
the road, right, and you see some of these cats,
(51:21):
and you could tell the ones who've grown up kind
of because they, like you've been in this business since
you were seventeen eight. I know you've known some of
your rap here since y'all was around the same age,
and you notice the difference. Like you may say, hey man,
this dude used to be wild, but now he's a
little bit more calm and relaxed and reserved right, kind
of handle his business and go home, Whereas before when
he was younger, he might've been the one to chasing
(51:44):
tail after the show, was hanging out, you know what
I mean. But now they kind of going to go
do their set and they going home, right. Some of
these dudes are steel the same as they were when
they were seventeen dog and they fifty year old men now,
but they still doing the same thing. They got them
a plane of Hennessy. They're blowing their way. They out
there trying to hang out after the show. I think
(52:05):
some wrapped on a loss. Some people grow up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Some people never grow up. Well hmm.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Some niggas, unfortunately, like you said, gets stuck in the time,
or a lot of the homies who go to prison
and do long beds and come home some of them adjusting,
some of them, don't. It's homies, like you said, it's
still on. You know who are around who just you
(52:33):
figure that what can be better than the life that
I've been living?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
You give me.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
I ain't no rapper or I'm no nigga with you know,
no artistic value or you know, I'm just a regular nigga.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
And some of those homies feel that.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Represent me and staying true to who they are is
the best life for them. You get me, and and unfortunately,
some of us change with the times. Situations make us change,
you know, getting married, having kids, getting a better job,
(53:18):
or you know, becoming a different person. It puts you
in different places. And sometimes when nigga settle, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
You know, when that o there you not looking for
that next climb up the ladder, or that you know,
that next totem pole or stance or whatever position some
niggas get, you know, some niggas get in the position
they doo.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Shit, nigga, I'm good and I'm cool. Yeah, and it
ain't nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong. Eight.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I think we all I think it's antural thing as
a man, as the providers of our household to want
to kind of sin right to make more money. I know,
I'm always I think I ain't never met a man
that didn't want to make more money.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
But I'm in this place right now to where I'm cautious. Right,
I'm cautious about my investment. I'm cautious about what I
put my time into.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Because we was talking the other day, you know, you
would look up at it, man, like you don't have
to tell me a couple of times like still like
I we talked about somebody that's sixty and be like man,
they oh, and then you think about like, well, damn,
I'm five now, my nigga, you know off fifty four
or whatever? Right you like, you're right there, right. So
I think we become as time go along, we become
a lot more cautious about what we put time into.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I know.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
That's one of the big transitions I've been making as
of late, like even the last year or so, because
this is just certain stuff I just can't devote my
time to No more, bro, because it's I don't have
that much time.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
To devote to that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
No more. You feel me. I was like, well, when
I was twenty twenty five, I could take more risks
now I don't have time for so and shit, bro Well.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
They say, you know, time is valuable, and.
Speaker 3 (55:05):
When you're in your twenties and thirties, you know, you
look at you have all the time in the world.
You feel me as a kid, you know, nine, ten, twelve, fifteen, whatever,
you looking at it like, can't wait, could become a
(55:26):
grown up? Right again, time is valuable, right, So there's
things you might go through as a young adult and
in your younger years that you know it's some bullshit
and a mistake and I shouldn't have done it, but
(55:49):
you might do the shit two or three times over again.
You get me as you get up in age, and
not to say that you have lost any wheel or
energy or I'm the same nigga, I gotta feel whatever,
but you start valuing time, especially when your peers and
(56:13):
people around you and you feel the same age group
of situation. You know, people be dying off. You know,
you'll look up in a nigga two years older than
you die.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
You'll look up or you'll look up a nigga four
years younger than you died. You know this stuff, you
start really losing you know what they want to take.
And what I'm trying to say is is.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's not like motherfuckers who are you know, you see
death all the time, you hear about it, But when
you start putting it in the perspective of wait a minute,
I'm saying the age that much.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Fuck it was I'm two years or I was just
or I was just talking to him last week. So
that's why I say, you start value in time, right,
so it.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Starts becoming to where, hey, I don't got time to
do that bullshit anymore, or I ain't got time to
do that anymore, because time is too valuable to not
be doing shit that you only want to do that
benefits you. You get me, I can't afford to be
(57:33):
doing shit that's gonna benefit someone else and put me
in a situation to where nothing might not happen for
me out of it and it might have just wasted
my time. You feel me, I'm gonna have time to waste.
I only have time for shit that benefits me. And
(57:53):
it might sound a little selfish to some motherfuckers or whatever.
But again, when you start getting up in age, and
not to say that, you know, we're walking around like
we old men and wheelchairs and you know we're just
waiting for death to knock on the front door. But
(58:14):
my time is valuable now, you feel me. Yeah, And
it's like, you know what another thing.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I'm ain't gonna do.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Shit that benefits me or makes me happy or straight
or you know, motherfucker's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
And it can't just said it be just for money
no more. It's like it's nothing. It ain't be like
you said. You could do some shit.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
He could be some shit to where a motherfucker our
friend or one eat or motherfucker's on something like hey, man,
my nigger, Hey, you know, woot he woke and it's
gonna help you and woot he woke. You gotta be
like you know, like you said earlier the day man,
you know, I don't even wanna fuck with it. You know,
no disrespect or no horror fell letters. But at this
(59:02):
point hard feeling.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
I've been had to tell niggas I love no lately
they eight because it's not ni even about money. If hey,
I'm gonna tell you something, man, I turned down the
job man with a reputable record company man maybe three
months ago. I didn't even say to my wife about
it nothing, because I've been down that road before, Bro,
(59:24):
and I don't want to, like, I don't have the time, Bro,
to go invest a bunch of time in some dog
and really take a job where I ain't got no
ink of my PN dog. I can't make a difference.
I'm really just somewhere, you know, doing what I'm told,
and the ain't none wrong with that. But if I
can't go on the record company and make an impact
and do what I need to do, Bro, and do
(59:45):
what I need to do it, I'm not gonna ship
up here and make you make me look stupid, because
I'll be honest with you, so many people in need
record companies don't know what the fuck they doing exactly,
and they would have you up there doing certain things Bro,
that you know just don't make sense.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
And yeah, believe it or not, you could make some
decent money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
But I make more money at the job I got
knock Dog to any record company job I had, because,
for one, you never go get the all the bonuses
and shit you're supposed to see from a record man.
You never go see them bonuses.
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Now at the end of the day, like I said,
and on that the end of it, and I'm gonna
leave it at that. I'm gonna leave it right here.
You should only have.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Time to do what is valuable to you and yours
and that's it, amya, And with that we out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the gainst the Chronicles podcast, the production of
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Oh man, Shoot the same old man, same old dang man.
(00:40):
Another week, another week down the books. This year going
fast as hell.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, you gotta get it over which this year is
going fast as hell? Was craziest man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, I've been looking at these houses down at
Houston and we recently had like an appraise or just
done in her house. You know, you get the pair
to sell your house. You kind of want to know
where you're at in the market, right right, And they
said that our house is worth nine seventy. Now, for
those out there listening, nine seventy don't mean I'm rich
in California.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's a box. That's a max box, right, you know, yeah,
depending on the county in the area.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You live here, you know, that's like a regular hall.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And yeah, I living down your dog like big dog
stuff is up the street from me, like like them
two and three million dollars four million dollar cribs on
up the street in the Orange States and all that stuff.
And it's like, man, it's just the area.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You went. Like if you in Beverly Hill somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, and you your house a million dollars, dog, you
might be in a two bedroom.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right shit a one bedroom. Yeah, you know, it's the area, man.
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
One of the things I was looking at I was
looking at down like a folks in Houston they got
like six bedroom houses man on like a half an acre, man,
four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Man, Like I'm talking about bringing new houses. Yeah, brand
new house.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Only thing about that though, man, you know, when you
think about it, the good thing about it is, man,
we can kind of take our work with us wherever
we go. I don't know what the job market is
like like down there, though, so you know you're the
houses are cheap cheaper for a reason exactly. You know,
I don't think useless economy is bad. I think everywhere
(02:27):
is pretty much the same, right now. I know you
said you're gonna go ahead. The album finished this week.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm trying to get in the studio or
this service day Friday, finish shu up so we can
get some shit moving, you know, just you know, just
to do some shit. All people be thinking, you know,
niggas be desperate. I guess for income or whatever is why,
(02:54):
you know, I guess why they consider legacy or you know,
old school artists. She putting out music and but to
a lot of motherfuckers, it's just a it's just the
art of doing music. You know, a painter, you know,
can paint whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's on the rock. Whel painted up into his ladies, right.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You know, there's a lot of musicians, a lot of filmmakers,
a lot of motherfuckers who in that you know, fifteen
to twenty five age bracket that they you know, niggas
are still working so and a lot when you on
your artistic shit, it's not about income a lot. You know,
(03:44):
we do the podcast and there's other shit.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Niggas do shit.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm back coaching you know, kids, fourteen year old boys,
you know, trying to give back, do some shit. I
was doing a while ago when I was on a house.
I this from making music, but I guess you never
stopped making music because when you just feel like urge,
be lovely, going to the studio, righteous and songs or
(04:10):
whatever make you some beets or whatever. You might not
intend for the shit to go anywhere, but it's still
in you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You know what I'm saying. So well, I.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Wouldn't even really consider myself. I've always kind of like
had a foot in the music industry. I guess you
would call me like one of them up where I
really not, I guess a full time manager, but I'm
one of them dudes, help you know, a few people
out or whatever. And I've always had a foot in
the music business. That's because I think I love music.
(04:42):
It's not because necessarily, you know, because if you're in
there for the money, man, I think we all got
other stuff that we can do to make more money.
You feel what I'm saying right, Like, I think I've
all you know. I think I've always been really clear
on this show that the show is called against the Chronicles.
But I'm not a gangst right the gang banged in
my life. That's just not my thing. I was. I
(05:04):
guess what you would call the school boy, I played
college football, did all that, just like any other normal
dude coming up in the neighborhood. I have my little
pitfalls that Luckily I didn't get too deeply involved in.
I did my thing, but I haven't necessarily wanted to
try to sell effect that me being that's just just
king Pin on the streets and just you know, gang banger.
(05:26):
I was just a normal dude coming up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I guess growing up in the environment you know that
I grew up in.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And just how I was talking to my people's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know the other day, and you know, saying, how
you know, when the nigga was young, we used to
socialize over the families houses, and you know, my mom
used to drive over to my aunties and you know,
we would sit up in the up in my cousin's
(06:02):
room while they'd be in the den playing music and drinking,
and you know it, and there was no niggas was
living in poverty.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But we didn't know that shit. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, well, you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Don't know that when you're younger, man, because everybody on
the same level.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Right you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And I was just talking about how we socialized being
with music and my mom's and men playing music and
drinking and we being with our cousins and doing all
that type of shit. But still, you know, like you said,
as a kid, I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
What poverty was.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I didn't know what, you know, living in the hood,
you know, so to speak, you know a set, you know,
because we grew up in sets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I didn't know what that was all about until.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I got thirteen fourteen, and that was the heavy influence
of a lot of our childhoods, you know. So I
don't think even having the powers of being an artist
or thinking of anything else, because once that affects you,
(07:18):
and the poverty and the influences of the drugs and
the drug dealers and gravitating to that lifestyle is what
influenced me to start gang banging. And you know, just
you know, twenty and thirty niggas, you know, belonging from
the same or you know, the same section, and representing
(07:44):
that to the fullest and being a kid, you know
who parente got divorced, and you know, we moved to Compton,
there at a very young age, and seeing that, I guess,
you know, not having any other guidances of you know,
(08:06):
not to say that my parents wasn't good parents. You know,
they weren't had jobs. But I guess being naive to
what was out on the streets made a nigga started
w nig gang dang because I thought that life was
the best show.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know that you think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They's not to catch you off, bro, but think about this, right,
It's the same all across the country. Man, whether you
in Detroit, Michigan, whether you're in Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Columbus, Atlanta, whatever.
You grew up in the neighborhood, and your people that
live next door to you and down the street from you,
people your peers, so to speak. People that you go
(08:48):
to school with, that you might jump on the bus
with every morning. These cats that you see every day
of your life up until you get about seventeen, right,
and you kind of going from that moment, those are
your peers. I wonder if that's considered the game, bro,
because I ran with a crew of dudes. I had
a crew of homeboys from one hundred and Thirdstreet. Oh
you know, kind of from ninety nine Street to one
(09:08):
hundred and Thirduse. That was my neighborhood. We all played
football together up at the park, We played basketball together,
we went to school. Now, if somebody from around the
other Wade came trying to start some funk with one person,
we was all gonna get into it. You just can't
come up in the neighborhood trying to punk the homie. Yeah,
(09:29):
even though we didn't necessarily fall into that whole chryptin
Blood Moniker, it was still the same thing because I
think it's black people.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We all kind of tribal anyway, almost like you.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Know, right, because it wouldn't You couldn't just come to
my neighborhood man and punk one of the homies. Or
if you did come, it was gonna have to be
a fair one. You wasn't gonna bring them. And if
you came over there with more than one person, you
was liable to get shocked out because we take that
as a sign, oh you're trying to come over here
and jump on a homie.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Now, yeah, I guess up into a certain time, you
know when, like you said, you're a little crue or
your little clique, because like you said, I had friends
before I you know, initially you know, started gang band
and my my my niggas, the niggas in my set
(10:20):
became my friends.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And nigga's outside of that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Who I went to school with and played with and
rode bikes up and down the street with and all that,
they became irrelevant as friends because now my friends or
you know, the homies in the set. So like you said,
I don't know. I guess you know, where where you
(10:46):
grow up from what is considered a gang or a
click up into a certain age, so you really start
claiming what what your neighborhood is or wherever you're gonna
be from. Because said, I ran with a crew as
little kids, and we played football, and we rode our
(11:06):
bikes at the store, and you know, we would venture
off the places and bullshit like that. So but I
don't know if that would have been considered a gang
because it was only a handful of us, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it's
not gonna send the game, but with me and you
would turn coin a gang, you feel what I'm saying.
If we baby, it was.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Like a crew.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But when you start talking about people outside the community.
If they see a group of black kids hanging out together,
they gonna look at them and say, oh, that's a
gang over there.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Nigga Rose is up to no goods.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
You feel what I'm saying, all right, they up to
no good look at them near a gang. So I
think that classification, man, kind of just you know, goes across.
I had an incident the other day, man, and I
got a family to watch this show. And the thing
that pissed me off about doing this podcast stuff is
I keep as much as I tell my my relatives
(12:03):
and homies. Man, this stuff is not real. And I
believe none of these cats on here saying this. Ain't
nobody got socked out, Ain't nobody jumping nobody really is
just a bunch of lying ass niggas.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
To keep it one.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Thousand with you for the most part, now this is
don't go to everybody, But for the most part, it's
a bunch of people trying to entertain somebody they know.
People are very entertained by bullshit, so they go start bullshit.
So with all me mixing the names, these people know
who I'm talking about. A relative of mind. He's been
locked up for the past. I would say, Man, my
(12:36):
oldest son is in his thirties now and he went
to jail when this dude with team. So he's been
locked up for the twenty five years incarcerated.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right, So this.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Dude, you know when when the homies, just when people
just you know, they are locked up where they family
members or homies, they just come home. They assume that
everything is from the point that they left to now
that still don't stay the same, right, so they have
plenty of reference. They don't realize that this this big
gap gap people that they're doing different things now.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So he comes home and he's watching all this BS
that's on the internet, right, all the stuff that come up,
and somebody mentioned something again. You know, we got a
bunch of lying ass people on this motherfucker right that's
gonna say anything just a makeup shit. That's why me
and you could never get into that, because we're not
good at just making up shit.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I just can't sit up here and say, well, man, eight,
you know I socked eight out yesterday and that never happened.
But people that come on here and say that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, when they yeah, when they got to do with
Kyle Chin and click bait and shit like that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, my wife is sitting up there and she hears
him talking to my sister in law, and he my
name comes up, and he gets to talk and cash
shit like man, how he got to show the gains
the chronicles he was a schoolboy and this and that
won't they won't. And then he get to talking about
some stuff that he has no clue about, because one,
(14:06):
you went to jail twenty five years ago. In two
you don't know what idea prior to meeting your sister, right,
They have no clue. You know, idea was you didn't
know me, right and you were a little kid to
keep one hundred with you. So my wife handled it
like a professional because she knows like she knows that
if she hears somebody say some dumb shit on here,
(14:28):
first of all, she's not gonna go listen to it, right,
And what really trusts me out anywhere is why are
y'all people listening to stuff people have the sparage things
to say about me. I know me if I I
don't tune into a bunch of bulls shake, because I'd
like to think I got better stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
With my time.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But if you my guy, man, you've been doing this
show for some years now, and I'm not gonna sit
up and be entertained by somebody on there talking bad
about you, because you're a person I messed with, right,
So I'm not even gonna get that. No airplay, you
would not get a you would not get a click
for me. Now, sometimes what I will do is me
and you both have done this to world. We are
(15:09):
listening to something really and call each other and laugh
about it, right, And that's.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
The extent of it, right, But I don't take it serious.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It would be almost like me turning into something to
hearing somebody saying, well, you know, eight, don't really fuck
with steal and wump they wimp they want. I'm not
gonna take that serious at all of this. I'm like, well, man,
me and this man do the show together every week,
and there's never been a time to where if Aid
had a problem with something, he was shy about telling
me how he felt. Those are conversations that if we
(15:37):
do have an issue, we talk about. We ain't never
had no issue. We ain't never we ain't necessarily agreed
on everything, but we have conversations about it exactly, and
we don't do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
A bunch of text.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And if it's something I really feel I need to
talk to you about and I don't want to get
the message confused, I'm gonna pick up the phone and
call you because I'm not gonna text, Because even texts
can be kind of ambiguous to where you could look
at the text and I might say something might not
mean nothing at all by it, but you could look
at that text like.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Hold on, man, what is that dude talking about? You?
Feel me?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So my wife told him and it kind of just
tripped me out. It didn't really bother me, but it
tripped me out. Now, I said, now, instead of this
guy calling me, he would rather sit up in gossip
pot and make assumptions and really listening somebody that don't
know nothing about me. Because out of all the co
(16:31):
hosts I've had on this show, eight I would say
that me and you know each other better than those
like I was never friends with none of the co
hosts on fronts like I was never like we never
did stuff outside the show.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It was a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We did the show, and they went their way and
out went mine. Right, So we really didn't know each
other so to speak, you know, and you're gonna have
those type of business relationships. People go to work every
day man, that that friends with each other are working
the same cubicle right next to each other, and as
long as they cordial with each other, you don't have
to be friends and you can go make niggas or
dollars with somebody. How many rap troops that you know
(17:03):
coming up with the things that you knew behind the scenes,
these niggas really didn't like each other.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, it's a few, but like you said, it's about
making money though, so shit, yes, it's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's a business.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I knew, well not to put people's business out there,
but I knew a whole bunch of popping rap groups
to where as soon as they got off their stage,
they was going these separate ways. They was on their
own buses on and everything like that. They didn't even
talk to each other. Because it's one of those things, man.
And I think it's one of those things to where
when you when you hanging just to macgine, hanging out
(17:37):
with somebody man from the age of seventeen to the
age of forty five, and y'all really still both doing
some little kids.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Y'all still doing shit y'all did when y'all were seventeen
on stage the masses. But as y'all grew, y'all got families. No,
y'all got different stuff that y'all into. Sometimes people just
grow apart.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Man, Well, it happens when shit is is, you know then,
And I tell niggas that all the time. Shit you
gotta understand when business is his business, you know what
I'm saying. And that's why when shit is on some
real friendship, it can it can sustain and survive a
(18:18):
lot of shit. But you know, sometimes niggas that you
run across, you know, on your journeys, niggas try to
make themselves official or seem like their valuable part. But
most of the time those are the niggas who connive
in and steaming and praying on your downfall.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And so those are the motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You tend to see that fly by night, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know what I'm saying. They come along, they make
their presence thinking.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That day official and oh man, man, that's my nigga,
And won't they won't the next day?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know, is fucking with that nigga? No.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean, you know, and it ain't like that, but
it just didn't work out. It wasn't meant to be.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
If somebody, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It happens a lot of time, and it in through
business situations. And that's why I try to tell niggas
on all can't be but heard or feeling hurt or whatever,
when truly it was just on some business shit, you
get me stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And you grew to be friends because I remember eight
when we first started doing this show. I tell you
about it all the time when I laugh. You didn't
have two words for nobody. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You was cool and cordial, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Would come in, do your ship and leave. There wasn't
no hanging out afterwards. It wasn't no, it wasn't no
bunchet side hard. It was kind of like, I'm here,
I'm doing my thing and I leave right and I
suld be wondering. I'm like, man, damn, it's eight go
talk is he go? And then everything turned out to
be all right and we we developed a real friendship
over time. There was real friendship because it was it
(19:56):
wasn't based on no fake shit. It was based on
a level of respect, right, that we have for each other,
and we just you know, start finding out we have
stuff in common and started just you know, develop a
friendship right with everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Back to this one thing though, right, why did you
think that is, man, that people have this need for
gossip and constant drama.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I've always been the one that called.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Somebody if I thought it was if I saw something
that I would think offending me. Man, Like, I've had
issues with people who are real good friends of mine.
Nothing when you have long term relationships. If you do
have a long term relationship with somebody and y'all never
have no kind of life and I ain't got to
say falling out but a disagreement, right, I would like
(20:43):
to say that that relationship probably ain't too genuine. That's
why I wants fake for you to go through a
home decades of knowing each other and y'all never had
no Now you can have a thing that where you
never had no Like, I've had friends, and I've been
with people all my whole life.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right, We've had fistfights, we've had we're on cuts them out.
He cussed me out, but it never went It never
went to a place of disrespect. We might even have
a thing that where we weren't talking each other for
a month, but we would always come back around, wind
up being cool, right because you know, the friendship does
(21:21):
draw you back in. But why do you think people
like messing? Nowadays?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Many telling shit? It's what's it was popularized.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
That's why I mean shit, that's why motherfuckers like mess
because it's popularized, and a lot of niggas who calls
and the mess is looking for shit like they the
invention of the social media. I mean, it's good for
(21:53):
some shit, right Still, it's good for some shit at
a point.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But this ship has really turned to a lot of bullshit,
you know what I'm saying. There's a lot of bullshit, man.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And for a while, you would you would have old
you would have hoped that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Motherfuckers that you deal with in business.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the same ship that we deal with as far
as the podcasts and the business of it. You would
think that motherfuckers would be genuine on a certain level
and stick to those old rules and regulations that you
hold value too. But a lot of niggas get sidetrack,
(22:39):
and niggas who are supposed to be official because the
root of the dollar.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You get me. They fantasize about the root of the.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Dollar and wanting to be sold impressionable the motherfuckers. You
give me, I gotta make a good impression on motherfuckers. Man,
So nigga, I got in and they feel money and
and status puts you there. You get me, like I said,
all like, like I always say. You know, there was
(23:13):
a time when motherfuckers held any kind of autistic vision
or whatever to a certain standard.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You get me. Ain't no there there's no kind of
standard today with it. You get me.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
If I if I can, if I could create mess
in this genre of what we're doing today, and I
can popularize it to where it can go in my
bocket and I can get fame from it. Some people
don't give a fuck about the consequences of bullshit because,
let's face it, when niggas turn the cameras off, they
(23:52):
feel like they life won't they won't be normal. Right
by Okay, I just told the motherfucker fuck you and
all that shit, But damn you pull up somewhere, you
buy yourself with your wife at the grocery store and
the nigga, catch you slipping. First thing niggas want to
do is though, Oh that was for the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That, man, you wouldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And the thing I always tell people, me and eight
actually went on the show and talked about things that
really the conversation we went on here and had the
conversations that we really have offline. Man, we would be
in the news clippings every week, every episode. It would
be something new footings. But the thing about it is
it would be all be factual. It wouldn't be no
(24:34):
lies told, right right. I think about it sometimes, right,
Because I'm a person that goes outside. I don't hide
in the house, and I'm in the public. I'm in
the malls. You may see me in the movie theater.
You may look up in the pizza rea and see
me the slices of pizza next to you. Because regular person.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what, man, I don't talk about my personal
life a whole lot, man, But I have a college
three have an executive job. This is not my only
source of income. I have a job in a real world.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Dog.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm not a part of this little fake ass world
that these dudes live in. You feel what I'm saying, well,
I get some people in a comfortable would be normal, right,
And I've never had.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
No problem with the age. You've known that since you
met me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've always had like a regular situation going on.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not in Walmart.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, we're moving boxes, and there's nothing wrong with that, right,
definitely ain't nothing wrong with that. But I have an
executive job. Dog, I'm an executive, right, I'd get to
work me a nice trust nice when I go to work.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
At my shoes. I got a company car and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right, I wouldn't care if I started making millions of
dollars from this podcast. I wouldn't quit because I make
a lot of money at my job. There would be
no reason. I never saw the reason for me to
quit one because I have the other man with This
is something we do for our rock the week, and
we do a little bit of planning before, but it's
not nothing to make that much brain wrestling to where
(26:02):
I just got to stop. And I've always represented myself
as nobody else but who I am. And because I'm
in the real world and I have people wear my
last name and I'm accountable for things, I've always cared
about how I presented myself. You feel me, right, I've
never got I've never gotten this stuff. I don't belong
(26:24):
to this little like this world, man, this whole world
of podcasting and entertainment, it's just phony, bro, It's really fake.
And if y'all believe anything that these people out here
saying half of what these people are saying, man, you
need your ass or.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You need it's unfortunate that you know of a lot
of people in.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
This day and age are very naive too what is
broadcast to them as far as truths or false you know,
in that situation, lies or truth or rumors or or
(27:10):
or whatever. Like I said, back in the days, there
was a certain time where when you reported shit or
you were scared to even talk on rumors or bullshit
because the shit wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And it was bullshit. Maide up, you could get in
trouble for that shit. You know. That's why.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Newspapers, you know, would have to get they facts straight
or they would have to reprint and do apologies when
they wouldn't have the truth about shit. Nowadays, like I said,
people with the Internet and so much shit that's broadcast,
motherfuckers are naive to what's really you know, it's like
(27:56):
a it's like a motherfucker can't decipher what might be
some made up bullshit or some shit that's true.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And yeah, and it's gonna get even more worse. But
this ain't ho shit, dog.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You know, you see it all the time because I
go through Facebook or I go through something, and it'll
be a motherfucker whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It'll just be some made up shit.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Oh, this motherfucker left, this motherfucker or this motherfucker got
caught up in this and won't he won't.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And then you'll.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
See, like, man, don't believe this motherfucker lot. I saw
some shit about Snoop and the family and he was
part broken because something happened and Woop he won't and
I'm like it may none of his people. Then you
see his people, you know, chime in there and like
(28:52):
those are in his family, and that's something maid up.
Like people really go out of their way to make
up shit just to see how nearly people they can
get to comment on, you know, the bullshit like oh,
Norman Steele got divorced from his wife because he was
(29:15):
caught cheating with this girl. And it's some a high
made up shit.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But then you really have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
People who sitting there who can't decipher that that shit
has faith, like still still would never do that ship,
like oh, that's someth that's it's like people. And then
you see you will see people arguing with people who
have common sense, right, people who have common sense, who goes,
(29:51):
come on, y'all, y'all know damn well, that ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's a made up ship. And then you'll see people like, well,
how can we trust you?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
How can we trust you to know that it's some
maid of shit who says it's not really? And I'll
be sitting there like are these people so real? Like
like like you're questioning if the ship is fake or not?
Like you want that's some right, Like you can't that
that's some made up fake shit.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's like unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
But but now you as a person is really sitting
up questioning a person with common sense, going, well, how
do you know that that ain't real? He could be real,
he could really have cheated or did some shit, or
he won't. And then you he saying like people are really.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like you know what the fuck that part about it is? Though? Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Is this let us say it's real. Why do you care?
Why are you so invested in the boy? Hey, I'm
gonna be real with you. Have the stuff out here.
When I see it, I pay no mind to a
knock that. It's not even a part of my regular
day to day the conversation. Like I said, because me
and you live in the real world. You coaching you football? Bro,
you were entertainer of that show. Job me doing is
(31:10):
a me being a podcaster. I feel like being a
podcast is my part time job. But I'm a full
time man. I'm a man at one hundred percent of
the time, so you never go see me engaged in
those silly shit. Plus, like I said, I have a
I have a highly tired of position with a reputable company.
So it's I'm not gonna do too much foolishness. I'm
(31:30):
not gonna do no foolishness because I'm not gonna. I
have way too much to lose.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I have one investments, so when I retire, that me
and my wife can retire the right way. I live
in the real world, bro, and there is nothing wrong
with living in the real world.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Bro, There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, there's a lot of people who you know, and
you gotta give it up for people who still get
up in the morning and punch the flock and here go.
And some of us who respect that, ain't nothing wrong
with that, you know, you gotta have respect for that
(32:11):
because some you know, some niggas like myself was fortunate
to be able to do music and make records and
live in the time where records were, you know, highly
appreciated in the genre of rap music and being able
(32:31):
to kick in that door as captain's most wanted and
you know, myself to be able to tell stories of
how you know, our life was and maybe yours too.
So some of us were fortunate enough to do that.
And there's some of us wasn't, you know, because there's
(32:55):
a lot there's a lot of dudes who entered this
game who didn't sustain. And I'm not one of the
biggest richest niggas in rap. I've done my part, you
know what I'm saying. But again, shit, before I started
(33:15):
rapping and making records, I had three or four regular jobs.
And because I didn't consider myself a drug dealer, I
was a gang banger. Now you know, you had niggas
from the hood who sold ya and made bread and
you know, it was balling and whatever whatever. But I
(33:37):
knew about the pitfalls of being.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
A drug dealer. I knew a lot of the homies
who you know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Were in the FEDS and who were getting long time
behind you know, having.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A couple of crack pieces and shit.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So I don't particularly think that I wanted to go
that route as far as you know, street life was concerned.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So I just gang bang. Did I dibble and dabble a.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Little bit, of course, to have money to eat and
you know, maybe get.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
A brand new pair of khakis.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And some shit to wear, and you know, to have
some funds in my pocket and shit like that. But
other than that, you know, I didn't consider myself the
ball or drug dealer. So nigga I had. I had
a couple of regular jobs until the music broke, and
(34:37):
I had no.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Regrets about having to get up.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And go to work, you get me, because that was
how I got paid.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Shit, there's a lot of niggas who came home from
prison or niggas who was in the hood, who niggas
was going to work and they it off work, come
to the hood and nigga still from the hood. Nigga
got they work best on or they construction best or
wherever nigga working at, and the nigga still was representing
(35:10):
the hood. So, like I said, in those times of
considering being normal, before the internet and computers jumped off
in every home and you know, microphones and niggas with
garages and couches, and you know, because the game now
(35:31):
is more is more open, just like the rap game was,
you feel me, We considered some of us the rap
game was the new drug game. Right. Exactly, you can
go by you, you go buy you some gay, right.
You can go buy you a fifty piece or whatever,
(35:52):
or a quarter piece, or you can go buy you
nine ounces or whatever and flip and.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Make you some bread.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, So we considered the record look game the new
joke game. Nigga, I can go out, put together me
some raps, nigga, put them on some beats and go
flip them shits and they gonna sell some units and
I'm gonna make some bread.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Fortunately, we wasn't hip enough to understand contracts or didn't
have lawyers. And still then even if you had a lawyer,
you would have thought that a lawyer would have been like, oh,
hell no, don't sign this shit. He motherfucker's finishing you
seventy cents a record, you feel me, and you'll ever
(36:40):
recoup that and pay that back. But shit, lawyers was
getting paid on the strip because they was negotiating the contracts,
so they was gonna make day five, ten, fifteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And on top of that, you gotta remember most of
those attorneys, especially back then, it was a with the
interest because a lot of these attorneys were working for
the labels as well.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well you thought, I never had a lawyer, and so
whoever was handling, uh the nigga shit I was signed to,
was like, you know, he was representing the whole pit shit,
you get me.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It wasn't like it anyway, So he didn't really get
with them.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
It wasn't like I was like with shit, let me
take this contract home to my mom and then we
gonna get us a lawyer and all shit, nigga, we
got no five grand to go retain, no lawyer to
look over, no recording contracts.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And all that. So what what would have been the outcome?
And you know what, and you were young, and you
were so young at the time that I was a
young nigga.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You you could have found attorney to do it on
a contingency basis that would have said, you know what,
ain't you don't have to have the money. Now, I'll
take my I'll take my retainer at once we close
the deal, but I'm gonna make sure you got the
best deal of you know, they show deal is one thousand,
and I'm gonna represent you through all your future endeavors. Man,
here'd the business attorneys that would have been glad to
see a young NCA walk up in the office, that
(38:11):
would have did right by it.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Career. We would have hoped so.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But you know, at the time, there were a lot
of us walking in from out of the streets into
these corporate offices, and they knew we weren't that knowledgeable
about recording industry contracts and how the record business work.
A lot of them knew we were naive to that
(38:36):
because we were just niggas coming up out of poverty
in the ghetto and looking at you know, you buy
me a car, you know what I'm saying, Or I
could do this, or I could do that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I don't think I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Stand size about owning a home and you know, they
a certain certain shit. I didn't even fantasize about this
shit when I first started making records. I was just
like shit, I was trying to find a way to
(39:18):
exit from you know, the transition of trying to find something,
because I already tried dope.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We already overhear gang banging and it's just a circle.
You get me.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So at one point, nigga going to grow up and
it's still the hood. But shit, I got a little
kid now, you know, And what am I gonna do?
Go to jail? And now my kid is out here,
and you know, and I do something. I'm seventeen eighteen
(39:53):
years old. You give me it ain't. I can't be
acting my hums for money and shit like that. No
more so, or you know, thank goodness, Like I said,
a nigga had the vision of starting to write music,
but I wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about contracts and
(40:14):
publishing and all that, and unfortunate, you know, I was
a young nigga seventeen eighteen. There was a nigga thirty
something who knew all about their ends and odds, and
that was a way for a motherfucker to go shit
here signing this side this, sign that, and when you
in a situation of desperation, because again I ain't the lead,
(40:40):
you feel me drive.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
A lot of people took advantage BacT.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think the biggest thing, right, the biggest thing all this,
man is this, and you have to look at the
bright side of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Sometimes hecks you not signed that fucked up? Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I'm pretty sure it's certain people bro Like I would
like to believe that if Unknown wouldn't have discovered CMW,
you'allays tell it enough to where somebody would have eventually
whether there had been easy to Eric and them or
trading somebody or somebody else, right, that would it says,
you know what, we're gonna pick these guys up, right,
(41:23):
But you know you've got an industry, and I always
say on nothing happened by accident, right, Everything happened for
a reason, right, you were able to carve out a
very enviable career.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Man. It's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man. You know what I think I was telling you
the other day, I've signed I've signed four artists to
record deals, and.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Out of those four artists broke none of them.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Nothing never really transpired like you know, one of them
got to come up with an album, but it was
very it was a very little fan fare, right, And
it wasn't because the album was whack. It's just how
it is, right, And I don't think people and I
think people always see like the jay Z's or the
NWA's and Cemw's and they like.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Think that everybody just because they have the deal, go
have that most success.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
No, for every copy this most wanted, man, you have
maybe ten other groups is on the label that they
ain't going. They may come out and sell four hundred
copies bro right. You know Little Dirt is one of
the biggest artists in hip hop now. Little Dirk's first
album on Deaf Jam Dog, he did three hundred copies
this first week. I was just think if he could
(42:35):
have just said, man, that's very disturacing. He had independent
rappers that were selling more than him, exactly, and you
on a major label, right, And sometimes these people on
these labels. That's why I'm not a fan of going
to go sign artists to deals, man, until they get
some traction.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Or because what happens though.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I could tell you an artist now, man that's on
a major label and he one dropped about probably five albums.
Them albums really sold nothing. Labels are in the business now,
dog to where some people just up there picking the budgets. Dog.
Some of these big producers, they may add one artist,
big artist that the label don't gave them. That this
who you go push right, Like a lot of these producers, man,
(43:18):
have label deals. They don't necessarily have artists that they
went out and signed on their own and developed. They
got somebody just at the labelhere, they got this key here, right,
or let's figure out what to do with him, so
you know what, we're gonna set them over here with
such and such right now, he hot, y'all gonna make
some records, right, same thing when Timberland had beat Club,
(43:38):
now Timberlin, he might have went out and signed some people.
But man, it's very few. It's very little artist development.
Like I got an artist right now. Man, I'm not
gonna say his name and nothing, because we're very in
the preliminary stages.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
But this dude got a chance to be really big.
But what we are doing by me knowing the business now, like, okay,
have four other shots with this. Olive wanted to go
fucked up, so we gonna do this and look different.
You know what, they want you to do the soundtrack
for the fief of World Cup. We'll go do that first.
Right before we put out a record on you, we
(44:14):
gonna put off some street albums and get them motherfuckers
away for free. You feel what I'm saying, build you
a fan base up. We gonna put you on a
college problem on tour. Yeah, you ain't gonna get nothing
but a couple hundred bucks to show, but we gonna
go out and put you in front of people. So
when we do, when they do decide to put out
an album on you, it ain't because we begged them to.
It's because the the man is there and they have to.
(44:36):
That's what happened to Dirk Man. TI's first album was
a flop, and we talked about dudes who turned out
to be really prolific artists like Ti is probably one
of the He's one of the biggest artists in hip
hop at one time. You know what I'm saying, jay
Z Man. Jay Z was thirty years old before he
really got the pop dog.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
He had to come on. They had, That's why they
started Rockefeller. Didn't nobody want to sign them, bro, and
sometimes you have to. Uh, That's why I say you
have to. You have to. You have to.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Understand the moves of business minded niggas as opposed to
artists who just I don't want to say desperate, but
you know, in my time, the doors were just opening
for rap artists. You know, it was a different situation
(45:36):
of you know, shit, nigga, we in a good in
the ghetto. We slang, your niggas is dying, We're going
to prison. I'm starting to make records and at the
age where I am, I'm not thinking like shit, fuck
going and shign the contract.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Nigga. I'm a follow the steps of of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The Thelonzo's or the fucking ease E's or the fucking
you know, the e forty's in them who was putting
out their records. But in my situation, I'm a solo
young nigga who who I ain't selling. I ain't selling
(46:21):
joke like that. I'm selling dope so I can buy
me a new outfit. And was like most of us
get some money and eat today, you're getting me. Mom's
just gotta pay rent and bills and she's struggling as
a single mom, not getting no child support from the
tops and shit, not that she took you, but she
(46:43):
chose not to fuck that, you get me. So the
struggle was real, you know, living in places where you
know you would you would in a million years, would
move your children. You feel me black, you know what,
go Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, but you know you staying
(47:04):
in spots where it's like, God, damn, this is where
we gotta leave you though, but at the time hits
like this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You ain't know no different.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But bro, you know what's crazy is this always somebody
like me around, a dude that got an idea, that's
figuring out a different way to skin a cat. If
I'd have knew you back then eight you'd asked you
an independent label, Like if I could have caught you
from the time that you signed to Sony, if I'd
have ran across you, I'd have convinced you somehow. Hey, man,
let's go start a label. You've been looking at me
like what nigga. I'll be like, Man, we gonna go
(47:35):
to city Hall and get a distribution and we're gonna
go to select them here to let them sell the
records in the Midwest and South you'd have been making
so much money man, so much brands, Sony would have
had a hard time getting the album from you.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Or what I should have done was, you know, I
should have been smart enough to go, you know, when
they decided to split the CON's most wanner shit, I've
been like, oh, well, I'm not signing to y'all. I
will signing to y'all is CMW. And now that all
of that shit is taken care of, I finna go
(48:06):
sign their C eight deal or do my own ship
because y'all ain't never did shit with CMW anywhere they
knew how to, you know, work it to where we're
gonna transition you from CMW all over to MC eight
and then here's a check and now you can handle
(48:28):
your own ship.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
And that's that shit.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Exactly so, because putting putting out three CMW records and
being on a roller coaster ride and you know, not
really seeing any bread and all of that, you know,
my stance at the time was fuck making records because
I had just did Minutes to Society and so I
was like, you know, I felt that that was my
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my my my stand right there.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I have a he was realized dog not to cut
you off. I'm looking to feel my wedding ring dog,
and I'm like, where the fuck is my wedding ring at?
I just gave nolage some hamburger meat. You ain't get
some hamburger me other thing. I'll come right up from
my wing and the motherfucking hamburger meat dog. She on
ate my fucking ring upstairs and find it. Yeah, maybe
he took that motherfucker off and put it on the counter.
(49:22):
Before you know, I grabbed that hamburger meat dog and
I bought nowhere it's at. If theyin't in that pack
of hamburger meat dog, i'ma have to wait the dolledge
and use the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I had to get my wedding ring.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Oh yeah, because if you can't remember, because if you
can't remember, like.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
I don't, never take that motherfucker off. That's how I
knew it was. That's how I knew it was gone
right here, My wife's toll this ship. Now, ye are right,
he wants your hamburger ring and the thing. But but
you know what, though you telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
And what I always say is man, one thing we
can't do, and maybe it's a good thing, is we
can't go backward dog.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
No, we can't.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know, you wish, you know, you know, we all
wish we could have one do over, you know what
I'm saying. But that's not how life works. It's not
our God, you know, intended for you know, life to
be for us. You only live once, so you have
(50:21):
to learn from your mistakes. Unfortunately, some of us can
learn the first time around, and some of us it
takes a couple of go arounds to finally understand how,
you know, life is supposed to work, especially as an adult,
because we can become adult age but still not have
(50:47):
the mental capability to still deal with with grown up
life and how life works. And so a lot of
niggas get caught up and shit because you know, I
figured it.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
You feel, well, you know what I've noticed with this
hip hop shit man, because you know, I go to shows,
and you know the thing about hip hop. When you
go to the show, it's almost like going to school, right,
you know, you back to school. On the first day,
you see all the homies. Some of them you see
pretty regularly. Some of them you might see just on
the road, right, and you see some of these cats,
(51:21):
and you could tell the ones who've grown up kind
of because they, like you've been in this business since
you were seventeen eight. I know you've known some of
your rap here since y'all was around the same age,
and you notice the difference. Like you may say, hey man,
this dude used to be wild, but now he's a
little bit more calm and relaxed and reserved right, kind
of handle his business and go home, Whereas before when
he was younger, he might've been the one to chasing
(51:44):
tail after the show, was hanging out, you know what
I mean. But now they kind of going to go
do their set and they going home, right. Some of
these dudes are steel the same as they were when
they were seventeen dog and they fifty year old men now,
but they still doing the same thing. They got them
a plane of Hennessy. They're blowing their way. They out
there trying to hang out after the show. I think
(52:05):
some wrapped on a loss. Some people grow up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Some people never grow up. Well hmm.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Some niggas, unfortunately, like you said, gets stuck in the time,
or a lot of the homies who go to prison
and do long beds and come home some of them adjusting,
some of them, don't. It's homies, like you said, it's
still on. You know who are around who just you
(52:33):
figure that what can be better than the life that
I've been living?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
You give me.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
I ain't no rapper or I'm no nigga with you know,
no artistic value or you know, I'm just a regular nigga.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
And some of those homies feel that.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Represent me and staying true to who they are is
the best life for them. You get me, and and unfortunately,
some of us change with the times. Situations make us change,
you know, getting married, having kids, getting a better job,
(53:18):
or you know, becoming a different person. It puts you
in different places. And sometimes when nigga settle, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
You know, when that o there you not looking for
that next climb up the ladder, or that you know,
that next totem pole or stance or whatever position some
niggas get, you know, some niggas get in the position
they doo.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Shit, nigga, I'm good and I'm cool. Yeah, and it
ain't nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong. Eight.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I think we all I think it's antural thing as
a man, as the providers of our household to want
to kind of sin right to make more money. I know,
I'm always I think I ain't never met a man
that didn't want to make more money.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
But I'm in this place right now to where I'm cautious. Right,
I'm cautious about my investment. I'm cautious about what I
put my time into.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Because we was talking the other day, you know, you
would look up at it, man, like you don't have
to tell me a couple of times like still like
I we talked about somebody that's sixty and be like man,
they oh, and then you think about like, well, damn,
I'm five now, my nigga, you know off fifty four
or whatever? Right you like, you're right there, right. So
I think we become as time go along, we become
a lot more cautious about what we put time into.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I know.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
That's one of the big transitions I've been making as
of late, like even the last year or so, because
this is just certain stuff I just can't devote my
time to No more, bro, because it's I don't have
that much time.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
To devote to that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
No more. You feel me. I was like, well, when
I was twenty twenty five, I could take more risks
now I don't have time for so and shit, bro Well.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
They say, you know, time is valuable, and.
Speaker 3 (55:05):
When you're in your twenties and thirties, you know, you
look at you have all the time in the world.
You feel me as a kid, you know, nine, ten, twelve, fifteen, whatever,
you looking at it like, can't wait, could become a
(55:26):
grown up? Right again, time is valuable, right, So there's
things you might go through as a young adult and
in your younger years that you know it's some bullshit
and a mistake and I shouldn't have done it, but
(55:49):
you might do the shit two or three times over again.
You get me as you get up in age, and
not to say that you have lost any wheel or
energy or I'm the same nigga, I gotta feel whatever,
but you start valuing time, especially when your peers and
(56:13):
people around you and you feel the same age group
of situation. You know, people be dying off. You know,
you'll look up in a nigga two years older than
you die.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
You'll look up or you'll look up a nigga four
years younger than you died. You know this stuff, you
start really losing you know what they want to take.
And what I'm trying to say is is.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's not like motherfuckers who are you know, you see
death all the time, you hear about it, But when
you start putting it in the perspective of wait a minute,
I'm saying the age that much.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Fuck it was I'm two years or I was just
or I was just talking to him last week. So
that's why I say, you start value in time, right,
so it.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Starts becoming to where, hey, I don't got time to
do that bullshit anymore, or I ain't got time to
do that anymore, because time is too valuable to not
be doing shit that you only want to do that
benefits you. You get me, I can't afford to be
(57:33):
doing shit that's gonna benefit someone else and put me
in a situation to where nothing might not happen for
me out of it and it might have just wasted
my time. You feel me, I'm gonna have time to waste.
I only have time for shit that benefits me. And
(57:53):
it might sound a little selfish to some motherfuckers or whatever.
But again, when you start getting up in age, and
not to say that, you know, we're walking around like
we old men and wheelchairs and you know we're just
waiting for death to knock on the front door. But
(58:14):
my time is valuable now, you feel me. Yeah, And
it's like, you know what another thing.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I'm ain't gonna do.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Shit that benefits me or makes me happy or straight
or you know, motherfucker's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
And it can't just said it be just for money
no more. It's like it's nothing. It ain't be like
you said. You could do some shit.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
He could be some shit to where a motherfucker our
friend or one eat or motherfucker's on something like hey, man,
my nigger, Hey, you know, woot he woke and it's
gonna help you and woot he woke. You gotta be
like you know, like you said earlier the day man,
you know, I don't even wanna fuck with it. You know,
no disrespect or no horror fell letters. But at this
(59:02):
point hard feeling.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
I've been had to tell niggas I love no lately
they eight because it's not ni even about money. If hey,
I'm gonna tell you something, man, I turned down the
job man with a reputable record company man maybe three
months ago. I didn't even say to my wife about
it nothing, because I've been down that road before, Bro,
(59:24):
and I don't want to, like, I don't have the time, Bro,
to go invest a bunch of time in some dog
and really take a job where I ain't got no
ink of my PN dog. I can't make a difference.
I'm really just somewhere, you know, doing what I'm told,
and the ain't none wrong with that. But if I
can't go on the record company and make an impact
and do what I need to do, Bro, and do
(59:45):
what I need to do it, I'm not gonna ship
up here and make you make me look stupid, because
I'll be honest with you, so many people in need
record companies don't know what the fuck they doing exactly,
and they would have you up there doing certain things Bro,
that you know just don't make sense.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
And yeah, believe it or not, you could make some
decent money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
But I make more money at the job I got
knock Dog to any record company job I had, because,
for one, you never go get the all the bonuses
and shit you're supposed to see from a record man.
You never go see them bonuses.
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Now at the end of the day, like I said,
and on that the end of it, and I'm gonna
leave it at that. I'm gonna leave it right here.
You should only have.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Time to do what is valuable to you and yours
and that's it, amya, And with that we out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.
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