Why Black Men Suffer In Silence

Today we sat down with the homegirl AJ from We Talk Back podcast to discuss trauma, black mental health and more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I appreciate your kind of kicking with your boy on
a Friday afternoon as eight goes out and does his
shows and have his fun, I said, you know, we

(00:41):
gotta trained the episode this week, so I'm gonna hit
my homegirl, South Carolina anytime. Did you consider yourself a geechee?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Absolutely, definitely a geechee Charleston, South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
YA had to get my homegirl. You know, when my
son was getting recruited for football, he almost went to
South Carol line. I liked this school a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
USC YEP, game Cocks go, game Cocks.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah. He wound up going to the real USC, or
the University of Southern California.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Not the real USC shade University of Southern California.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
But no, I had a really good time over there.
In that city has a lot of like history.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, Columbia.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Uh, you know, Charleston used to be the capital of
South Carolina, but you know, at some point it switched
over to Columbia. So that's the capital of South Carolina.
But it's that city is dead, like through politics, they
have killed black business in Columbia, South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
So it's still a college town.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
But niggas used to get it in in Columbia like
my time, like when we were in.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
College and the shit it just used to be super lit.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Was it a lot of racism down there?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Uh, it's probably a lot of you know, covert racism,
you know what I'm saying, Like South.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Carolina, just like everywhere else in the country.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so niggas get tricked out, they spot real quick
if they don't learn the science of business. But even
when you do, they gonna come do a fed sweep
and everybody going to jail for doing the same shit
our white counterparts do.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, for sure, he used to be I know, back
in the day, he used to be a lot of
dope that ran through those southern towns like Charles down
from Miami and now all that that's how you get
all those rich brothers down there to start a record
labels later on.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, like Charleston is a port city, you know what
I'm saying, So like Miami, New Orleans, Baltimore, everything coming
through the ports, ye down you might have nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, it was a lot of money. There was a
lot of money coming through there. You know. Me and
you was having some conversations off here, right, And I
always like to talk about mental health. I don't think
we as black men, I don't think we talk about
mental health a lot. I think we got a lot
of trauma going on, you know. M I got to
think about stuff sometimes that happened to me when I
was younger. I'd be like, damn man, I really kept

(03:03):
that repressed, and somebody will bring it up, you know,
and you get to talking about different things. Why do
you think black men got a hard such a hard time?
You know what black women? I think black women have
easier time to expressing themselfs.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean because we're women, right, So you know a
lot of things that they associate with being a bitch, right,
like expressing yourself. Women women do those things. I don't
think a man is a bitch if he were to
express himself or tell people exactly how he's feeling. I

(03:39):
just think that I don't know, it's just we not
the same, right. So men are taught to be hard,
and it's a lot of times it's not coming from
women telling men to be this way.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
It's from other men. That's why I don't subscribe to
the uh.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know, a lot of times people try to say
like men can't be vulnerable with women, like you can't
tell you woman shit because women use.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
It against you.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
What I have found is that me and people use
it against people. It's not just women, because I don't
think I've ever been with a man who don't use
my vulnerabilities against me in the midst of an argument.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I believe that women oftentimes know they're a man better
than anybody knows them. But they put the mask phone
what they put the mask on for the homeboys, but
we get the real you, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
So I think when people to be vulnerable doesn't make
you weak.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, So if you can't talk to your friends, your family,
your woman, you gotta find somebody to talk to to
work your shit out, because we all dealing with trauma.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I think that women just we the gods. Man.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't care how y'all feel about it. So we
gotta fix it. Because a nation is only as strong
as it's women. So we gotta be together. We gotta
be okay.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
For those that cut on like just here, it was
the case of Chronicles podcast, you didn't tune in by
mistake and this is my homegirl AJ for the week
talk back podcast on Black Effect on Black Effect with us.
You know you've known charlmgne a long time?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Huh yeah, a long time, A very long time. Just
I was in high school when I met him and
his now wife, you know they were together. I met them, Shit,
two thousand and I don't know one, maybe twenty two. No,
I'm tripping, yeah, like two thousand, like two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
You're still in high school. Yep, that's crazy. Charlamagne. People
always ask me, hi's Charlemagne? I say, he just a
regular dude. I say he's not really like Red Bay.
He's a regular dude. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Charlemagne is a very good person, you know what I'm saying, Like,
he is very considerate. He puts people on you know
what I'm saying, Like we're talking about King shit, Yes,
that's him. Yeah, we've been friends for a very very
long time. We essentially family, and we probably related somewhere
down in blood line.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Somehow, because you remind me of one of my You
remind me like one of my cousins, like can you scrap?
You got squabbles?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, and pistols. Squabbles and pistols.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, yeah, you for sure probably related to me then,
because I'm telling you my cousins get busy and all
my other cousins the great state of Ohio. But anyway, yeah,
I really do feel like that as black men or
maybe men period, Right, we repress a lot of stuff, right,
I know I used to repress a lot of things.

(06:35):
And I think back to my childhood. I don't necessarily
say a lot of stuff I went through they would
probably call abuse today, but I think it was just
me getting disciplined. I just think, you know, you come
from a household where you step on the line in
your ass for Yeah, but what.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
We learn how to ask whooping from? You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I feel like anytime a big person hits a small person,
they actually lost control the child, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
So to use your words, Yeah, I didn't hit my
personally I didn't know. I didn't discipline my children in
that manner. I took stuff from them. I put him
on punishment, and I talked to them because I always
felt like because I used to get my ass.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Like switching you was getting your asked by a frustration,
like you know, like upset, like they taken out, you know,
just the frustrations, the obligations.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Some people see children as a burden, you know what
I'm saying. They sometimes they take it out. It's such
thing as a bully parent. Some people be bullying the kids.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I know that. I know one thing for sure
is that my parents do love me. You know, me
and my mom have a really good relationship. But Irene
used to whoop ass. You know, Irene whooped ass. And
I had a stepfather, Willie Steele from Cooper, Little Mississippi.
Damn you you know. Yeah, he used to roll that
cigar around his mouth. And when he did that, it

(07:55):
was on at the dynamic of my mom. You know,
my mom had me when she was twenty years old.
She just turned twenty and she was this country girl,
right and she had met my stepdad, I think four
years after I was born. And my I think my
stepdad was making fifteen to twenty years older than my mom,
So he was definitely one of the g dudes, you know,

(08:16):
I hope she dudes put the cigar in his mouth
and the leisure suit on from Mississippi talk slick and
carried the twenty two on his way through all times.
And so I grew up different, and I knew I
had a relationship with my biological father, loved him very much.
We actually have a way better relationship now than we
did back at the time. But I think I for

(08:37):
sure repressed a lot of stuff, and I know for
sure that my childhood experience has defined the man I
am now. I'm like very loyal to my family. I
knew that. I just knew that I didn't want to
have children with multiple women, Like I knew I wouldn't
gon do that I didn't want to have And I
knew that whoever I had a child with, I was
gonna try to make it work with them. That's who

(08:58):
I was. I spent my life, right, I just it
was just certain things I just didn't want to take
another human being through, Because you do feel like this
sense of isolation where you are not when you kind
of like the child. That's kind of like, you know,
both my brothers got the same father, right, I also
have another brother too. You know, my dad's not right,
so I always kind of felt like I was the

(09:19):
outside got them, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, but your stepfather that right. I'm sorry your stepdad
didn't make you feel like that though.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right. Oh no, my stepdad, I'm gonna tell you this.
I remember and I forgot this, right. I think we
were freshed. That's why I'm saying. I think we kind
of touched stuff in our backpack, right in our middle backpack,
because my mom said that. One day, I was coming
home from school, and I used to go to this school,
this private school, and they used to take everybody in
the hallway and kind of do attendance, right, And I

(09:49):
used to always wonder why my younger brothers had a
different last name than me. My last name was Munson
at the time, right, I didn't have my dad's last
name with is Sanders, right, my mom, you know, for
whatever reason, that's I learned that, like, look, their problems
be their issues, right. But I asked him, I said,
why isn't my last in the same but theirs? I
thought their last name was cool still, right, And I

(10:12):
said that my mom told me about it. She said,
will you or you're talking about that? And he went
home to win this cigar box. And when they paid
like twelve hundred dollars for his attorney, she said, which quighted,
well ten thousand dollars back then. And he did everything
to like legally adopt you. And so I know that
Pops loved me, and I didn't start appreciating him really

(10:34):
till I got a lot older. Some of the values
that cause, you know, because he was a country dude. Right.
The thing about Pops is, like my mom always says,
since he had he had other women, right, and that's
basically why they wanted to get a divorced. He had
other women, but he always took care of his house
and he made sure that none intersected and he was

(10:54):
always like, hey, you know, this is my family right here.
And you know then he was doing this thing though
Pops was a real stones doing this thing. Yeah, I know,
that was just the time period that was right, and
he was just a he had him a job downtown.
That's when Ohio had all of the like all the
motive plans. I think that's work. Yeah, he worked for

(11:16):
Fish Body. I think, so we had a big job.
I remember when we I actually remember when we moved
out of the apartment on Chester and first bought our
first house. And I remember because he was over there
fixing on it. I remember that they were talking about
the house to be ready pretty soon. And just think,
I think about it. Back then, they paid fifteen thousand
dollars for the house, so I'm pretty sure it was
a lot of stuff to get done, you know. But

(11:36):
when I tell you that that man knew how to
fix any and everything. He went back and he built
that house up for us, right. I remember when we
moved in. I met all my friends because I remember
what he was moved in, you know. I just always
little kids outside watching with somebody move in. And I
went outside. I met my boys who like my lifelong friends,
like Bam shot out the Bam, Big Bam, my mother

(11:56):
guys back in Ohio. Right, And I remember he went
to work at Fishing Body, but he always would come home.
We always had cars in our backyard, a bunch of cars.
He would fix cars. He like I said, this man
was really good with his hands. He built like a
garage in the backyard. Right, And I remember he would
have the radio back there plan he would be fixing

(12:17):
on people's cars, right, And I after one day, I said,
it seemed like he was always working and fixing somebody's stuff.
And he said, well, son, ain't no such thing as
time off. You need to be making money every minute
of your life, he says, a black man, you need
to be making money. Because he said this job would
fire me at any time, and Mike job fired me.

(12:38):
I need that way to take care of my.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Family absolutely, because a man is a problem solver. So
if you ain't solving no problems, you the problem.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
And that's what he was. And I'm gonna tell you
this too. He taught me out of my dad. And
this ain't no way, no reflection of nothing against my
dad was a solid dude. He was a solid man. Right.
Taught me a whole lot. Right, it's my father. But
Willie still handles stuff a certain kind of way. I
remember he would let people in the neighborhood get credit
to get their cards fixed up by the part. You

(13:07):
had to go by your own part. Right. As far
as his payment, he would work, but you sometimes, you know,
he would work with you over payments. Because a lot
of people worked at the same place, like over. And
I remember this kid in our neighborhood who I still know.
So I'm gonna leave nameless because I don't want embarrassing.
But I remember Pops never yelled. He wasn't the type

(13:28):
of dude to yell. But when he wrote that cigar
across his mouth, you knew he wasn't playing those games right.
And I remember he was talking this one kid's dad
was like that, you told me he was gonna have
his money last week. What's going home? And I guess
because he was his wife. He said, man, nigga, I'm
tired of you asked me about that. I'll get it
to you when I get to you. Pops said okay,

(13:50):
and dude bro rode off from his car and went
down the street. He wrote that cigar across his mouth
and said come on. And he used to keep this
wrench in his pocket, like you know, he had the
cover rolls on right, all his coke ras inside his pocket.
We walked down the street to the end and he said,
I don't think I heard what you said, and that

(14:10):
dude was like, nigga, all you heard was nigga, And
my hats man pulled that rinsh out and bust that
dude in his head and just like we just popped him,
just beat him down. And a woman came and he
slapped her across the face with the wrens God her
old face up, and it was just the craziest thing
that I've ever seen. And I just I'm looking. I'm
a little kid, right, I'm probably about like eleven years old,

(14:32):
And I looked, and he wanted her purse that was
just sitting in the front seat of the car, and
took the money out and like took what was his
and he said, this ain't enough. I ain't gonna leave
you drive. He threw like five dollars whatever it was back.
I need to rest my money next week when you
get paid, nigga, because they've rolled by eating chicken and
all that. So he used the type of does you

(14:52):
owe me money? How you all buying sperks on chicken
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
You know, boy, you can't stand and see a nigga
doing nothing when they owe you.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
You don't want to see the damn thing. Don't check
this out. We get back to the thing, and he
looked at me, he said, listen, never letting nobody play
with you. Never he said, don't do no munch of talking,
because he wasn't for all that talking. He said, tell me,
if a nigga is sitting out there talking, they don't
want to do nothing. And he did that, and that's

(15:20):
just the way he handled his business. So he was
a different kind of dude. And he would pop your
ass like he would like he would shoot your ass.
He was. He would pop you, he would whoop your ass,
and he just was a man's man. He wasn't just
a dude. He played well. He didn't do no joking.
The ring and the way he pressed. He wasn't never
the type of dude that hugged you with nothing like that,

(15:41):
but by him taking care of you, him working targets.
We always had good Christmases, like Ian. We always had
a tari En, the Leco vision and colored TVs and stuff,
you know, the floor model. We always had stuff in
her house. And I realized that everybody whose pops had
a job down that Fisher plant was doing good. The
ones who didn't because that was around with crack started
rolling around. I remember when that hit, it just kind

(16:03):
of ran through our community real bad. But it was
a lot of stuff Cleveland. I think about it now,
I don't know how I survived that shit, Like it
was a lot of stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
God, you were supposed to survive. You're supposed to be
here right now for it's time.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, it wasn't nothing but God. And I think that
I saw girls get like you know, figured out. I
saw girls getting raked on the way the school. Was
a lot of foul stuff that just went on. Like
Cleveland was just a record real ghetto city, isn't Is
it not? Still? Like that is Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I've never been to Ohio before Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I don't feel like I heard any good things about Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Cleveland is a very I think Cleveland had me prepared
to come out to LA for sure. Like, and I'll
be honest with you, when I first came out here,
I was squawking. I was squabbling a lot because I
just wasn't scared. Like I didn't know what no crip was,
I didn't know what no blood was, not fuck about
none of that shit. I just knew. And I never

(17:03):
was one because that's the way my Papas raised me.
I never was one that reacted to a bunch of talking.
There was two things. If you called me out my name,
if you called me a bitch, I was gonna make
you stand on that like if you called me Steven.
To this day, if you called me out my name,
I ignore anything else. But it's like a motherfucker called
me a bitch. I'm like, I'm we scrapping, we fighting

(17:24):
right that you had to stand on that ship because
you're not gonna call me out my name. But anything else,
all that other talking and idle press, I'm just like, man, whatever,
you know whatever, but you put your hands on me,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do something real bad to you.
I've always been like that. I've never paid attention to
talk because I've always started talking was like a defense mechanism.
All that talking about what you're gonna do and do it. Yeah,

(17:48):
you go do something, Just do it. You know. I
don't care about all that stuff. It has never bothered me.
I've never felt a nigga because, for one, I'm a
dude like this.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I know they say that I like the hit people.
Wiley talking shit like a mid sentence. Yeah, he was
saying shit, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Just punch you in your fucking mouth while you're talking
for a finisher.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm never gonna be my one to put my hands
on somebody first. But if they put their hands on
me or try to, or it's own the poppery, put
your hands on me, because I don't think a man
should put his hands.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I mean, listen, I don't been in fights, like I
haven't fought in a very long time. Okay, first of all,
I'm a grown ass woman, but high school stuff like that,
Like sometimes man, you lose words.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't have a whole lot of words, And if
I fuck around and stutter, I'm gonna hit you.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Words sometimes. And there's such things as fighting words.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I don't even think adults realize that you can't just
say and do what you want to do to people
and think there's not gonna be any repercussions.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
You know what I'm saying, You gotta be respectful. That
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Only respect disrespect, So now you know you gotta take
it someplace else.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
But yeah, I definitely be on that type of time now.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
But yeah, people, I feel like a lot of the
problems in the world today is because a lot of
people never got the ass for I never had to
get my ask what to be respectful? Right, because I
just t know how I want to be treated or
how they don't want to be treated.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Exactly, and I leave with respect. I'm the type of
guy to lead or respect that I don't ever crave
the people because if you if you come at me
in a disrespectful way and see that, first of all,
I'm just gonna step away from you. I'm not messing
with you, know more. But if you continue with your nonsense,
some bad what happen? Right? And I don't know, I
kind of and I don't do that with people because

(19:30):
I kind of take stuff. I take stuff far. That's me.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm an one up there.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
If it's going on, I'm gonna take it to a
level that you're just not ready of. And I'm like,
messing with me. Girlfriend might get beat up. Everybody is around.
You might get beat up because God might go play
with you. You know what I mean. I'm not well. I
do a lot of I do a lot of saving
people from themselves, especially with this podcast stuff. I don't
respond to no podcast talk. I don't none of that stuff,

(19:59):
you know what I mean? But you know, if I
see you, I'm gonna make you stand on some shit,
you know what I mean. But if I don't see you,
I'm not gonna go looking for you, you know what
I mean. I just I've never I've never had to
spend no time shall outside of some little hole and
taking stuff. I've never been one for foolishness like and
I feel like this. If you live your life right,
can't nobody catch you up with no shit like I'm

(20:20):
not out there. I don't mess around on my old lady.
I'll mess around on my wife. I'm a faith get
married man. So can't nobody ever come to me with
no kind of hors you. I'm gonna deal with it.
This ain't nobody. And I feel like people that put
themselves in them type of positions, that's on you because
you out there doing room and I And honestly, I
never understood the whole philander and thing because if you

(20:42):
don't want to beat with somebody, just don't be with them.
I'm not good at chat and I'm not good at
trying to hide a life. I live my bottom black stuff.
I'm gonna get caught up my white dot me for
so long she can look at me and tell you,
you know so that's just not me. I'm not no
good at it, so I'm not trying. You know.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I saw this this new this comedian. I want to
know his name too, I forgot it. I think his
name is Vincent. I just started following him on Instagram
and he used to have some real profound shit. While
he was on somebody's podcast. He the guy who he was.
I don't know if he was being interviewed. I don't
know if they do the podcast together or whatever, but
he was saying, you know, when you lie to your woman, like,

(21:25):
women have intuition, right, and it's a real thing. So
when if your woman confronts you about cheating or something
like that and you lie to her, what you're doing
is essentially like you tampering with her intuition. So now
when she needs her intuition to help you stay out
of harm's way, you have now like like warped it

(21:48):
kind of. You've now made her second guest her intuition.
You've made her question herself and knowing she knows that
this thing is happening, right, but bye, you lying, you
have now confused her. And men don't even realize when
they be working against themselves like women women.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Women.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
If you if your girls tell you that person for
you that's not your friend, believe her.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'll live by that. If my wife tell.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Me you have an inner knowing that men just don't
have they just don't have.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, if my wife tells me leave that dude alone
here mean you know good, I'll listen to her and
I stay away from I don't care how bit of
a do it. He seemed like I stopped messing with him.
I handle him at a distance, right. I keep them
kind of whipping, you know, at the distance right. And
the one thing about it, I do believe that women
have any wish. But y'all can't accuse the mother suckers
ship that he ain't dead though, that be just standing

(22:42):
on me like.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Real profound dreams.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I have dreamed of shit somebody was doing and it
was true.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
So you want to get what your man's asked for
because you some shit my wife, And you know what
my wife has done before. We had us a good
night the night before and it's like a Saturday morning.
We wake up about to go eat some breakfast and hey, babe,
what you want to go do? She could look at
me like this and going about her business and I'm like, Bam,
I ain't. We've been in the bill today and exif

(23:14):
me I had a dream that you did this and that,
not like her, like what are you talking about? Like
like I control your dreams or something like that. Like
I said, you don't dreamed about.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Man, because it's it's just it's just real.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I have dreamed about shit that what's happening, and you
know I'm not. I don't pick fights, though, so I
do wake up. I want to be happy every morning.
So even if I know some shit, like my ex
used to say, i'd be building reco cases against niggas
and I'm like, what, so I won't see anything? Right
if I get on some bullshit, you better not have
nothing to say to me.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Now that might be my toxic trade.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'll store a lot of information because I want to
be happy. I don't feel like addressing everything I see
and hear. If I still want to be with some
I don't harass men until I'm ready to leave they ass.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Now I really look about his ship.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I ain't saying ship like I want to have
a good day, especially if I'm still be with your
whole ass.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm not saying nothing but the minute.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I started like spewing shit out, the relationship pretty much over.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, you know what the thing is, I'm gonna tell
you this. They got they got some ship now called
walk away wife syndrome. Not like what the fuck is
that to wear? What a motherfucker just come home and
they ship gone? Like the wife just don't have enough,
She ain't said nothing, and she just.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
You know, because a lot of times that is the best.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like women can't how can we really get back at
a man? Right? So if a man is cheating and
mistreating you, we the only thing we can do is
with whole sex or leave, you know what I'm saying,
And then staying with somebody and withholding sex, he's still
won't be fucking somebody else, So what are you really doing?

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So, the only way to really get even with a
man is to leave him and get a better one,
or you cold turkey just like that that you Especially
if you're dealing with a narcissist, the best thing to
do is ignore them. And I'm not saying that like
all men are narcissists or like only men can be narcissists,
because I do know some narcissistic women okay, but the

(25:12):
best way to deal with them is this straight cut
all contact.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I never heard that term before. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just think, you know, aj at the end of
the day, I think there's too much stuff that can
happen when you out there just you know, playing games
with people. I think when you are a certain age
playing game, you know, playing games shouldn't be a thing
of it because you still have sexy transmitted diseases out there.
You still have hiv as, herpes U, you know, gonorrhea,

(25:42):
a host of other things that you can come home
and you you know, you laying somebody, you intimate with somebody,
and you don't you know, you've been out there not
taking care of your business. Li's like when I see
guys that have kids outside their marriage, I say, not
only was your cheating, dude, you was out there going back.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
A whole human.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And the thing is like, I never understand men like
you do have some men you got Nick Cannon, whoever
else these guys who have like a bunch of kids
and they're millionaires. Okay, but that is you know, that
is a small percentage of men, right who can have
all these children to actually be able to take care
of them. I know a nigga with twenty one kids
and he's a truck driver, Like, what are you doing?

(26:19):
You let your dick make a slave out of you
at this point, but he has grandkids at this point too.
But how do you expect to ever reach the level
of success that you see yourself at when you are
dividing yourself in between multiple households like that? And I
feel like Black men don't think about that enough, right

(26:39):
you having a baby with somebody else every year. You
are not the man you think you are. You are
highly irresponsible. You're just creating baby mamas, you know what
I'm saying, So big baby baby mama culture is a
big ass fucking problem.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
And I mean, when you think about it, the fucking
baby starts in the man. That's your baby, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
We cultivate life, We cultivate life, right, but that's your baby.
So I feel like maybe maybe more, maybe the system
should be just be like you know, if a woman,
if a man gets a woman pregnant and they split up,
the baby automatically goes with the man.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know what. I think that happened to mend be
a lot more responsible because I'm gonna tell you this, absolutely,
I just could never see myself just creating something because
I'm gonna tell you I was there when all my
kids were born, except for my oldest. I had my oldest.
We was young. I was maybe twenty years old right,
and I was in school. I was going playing football,
was playing college football. But when she had the baby,

(27:41):
I was on the phone like I knew. We just played.
I remember that night clearly. We just played university in
New Mexico, and I was going to my dorm and
the phone was ringing, and I knew. I just like
felt it in my soul on the bus like I
knew my son. I knew my child and kings. We
was on the bus on the way back and I
just felt like this like feeling over me, like just

(28:01):
a feeling like everything seemed brighter, and I was just
in hurry to get back home. And I was literally
running back from the statum, you know, we bus come
back to stay and we run back the room and
I heard my phone ringing and I was like, my
son is here, and he was like this. My brother
in law was on the phone like yeah, fool, you
got a son now, like and I was just thinking.
And I remember going back home like that, just me

(28:23):
going to go meet him for the first time and
me old them it was just feeling like man. And
I looked at his face and I just said, man,
I gotta do something for this dude. You know what
I mean. It got to be like my life changed
right there. My whole mindset changed right there, and said
everything I do for Maryln has to be for this
kid right here, Like my dreams don't matter no more,
My dreams happening racist don't matter no more. It has

(28:43):
to be I have to fulfill this kid's dreams. Right
when I saw my son Christopher born. Now when I
tell you he took my wife shit, I remember we
wanted to lay. I ain't saying we like I was
over because I ain't have to do shit. I was
just driving. I remember it was early in the morning.

(29:03):
It was like three o'clock, she said this time. And
I was prepared, right. I slept in my pants that night,
as we knew, I slept in my pants on. I
got to put my T shirt on and I got
that and I walked her out through the car, got
in and I drove her up the Kaiser and I'm
thing that the babby about to just come out, right then, Man,
when I tell you, Christopher didn't bring his ass here
at nine o'clock that night, So she was in labor

(29:24):
all day. And it was the weirdest thing because my
father had twins before. See what I found out about
my dad, my biological dad. He was in the service.
He was in the military, and he had a wife
and twin kids, and the twins and his wife had
died the fire, but he was out doing his patrols
they died, and so he lost the whole family before

(29:45):
I was born, right, And so my wife had another
say like it was another baby there, but it didn't
get go all the way to the term. Like it
was just crazy. Right, And my son, Christopher, he was born.
He came out face side up. He came out face up,
those oppos away, he came out. So it was you know,

(30:08):
all of me, and you believe in symbolism and stuff, right,
I just knew that he was gonna be like all
my kids are special to me, but I just knew
that this one was gonna be either a hell raiser
or he was gonna be like Steve Jobs and somebody
gonna be like somebody different and he feels very different,
Like he was very different, and like it's like he

(30:28):
came out like he had been here before, because he
looked around and then he just screamed like like that
I had him. Yea. I remember my wife had passed
out and I had to grab the baby from her
and I was trying to hold her and it was
just a lot man and my daughter. So when my
daughter was born, I was ready for this big ordeal
because I went through it with him. I like had

(30:48):
my little scrub soon and I was pretty and she
just kind of just popped out like and I remember
her cheeks were so like man, she got these really
big cheeks and that was my daughter. Man. So it
was it's very emotional. It was very emost of me
when I had children. It was just like it's because
it's a love that nothing.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Else compares to and how do you walk away from that?

Speaker 4 (31:11):
So you know what I what I realized is that
the love for a child may be your biological child
or you know, a step a step son, a stepdaughter.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I believe that the love for the child is transferable
from the love the man has for the woman. So
that's why a man can take care of a child
that's not his because he loves that woman. And when
a man doesn't like a woman, it's fuck them kids,
even if it's his biological children.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
See, I don't know if you should think that way,
because the thing is, they don't stop being your kids because.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Always I feel And that's why, that's why it's easy
for some men to walk away because they don't want
to deal with that woman, you know what I'm saying,
So you just discard the children as well. But even
a man who they separate, but you still have love
for this woman. If she need anything, you still coming through.
You take care of your children. That's the love he

(32:11):
has for the woman. It really doesn't have anything to
do with the kids. Men don't have the same connection
not all you know, don't have the same connection with
children like the mother does. Right because though yes, the
baby comes out of you, this thing is growing inside
of her.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know what I'm gonna tell you. Like this, at
one time, my oldest son, his mama was always his favorite.
Don't get me wrong, my oldest son loved me to death,
but he's a mama's boy one hundred percent for sure.
He loved his mama, right. My daughter, hmm, she loves
both of us, she said, I love both of she
was little. I love both of you guys. But that's

(32:48):
my daddy, you know, like my daughter. I love my daughter.
It's different with dads and daughters. Right. My oldest son,
for the longest, when he was little, he didn't like
his mom. Like he would wake up at night when
he was want and be smacking on her face and
biting her and shak you know what I mean, and
just doing a whole bunch of stuff. But now if
you ask either one of them, it's all about their mom.

(33:09):
With my boys, my mom, they mom. Mother's Day, it's
all kinds of stuff, I swear man. My wife probably
get about five thousand ship the muscle me. I might
get an Instagram post shout out to my pop. Okay,
better than that. My daughter, she could look me up.
My daughter. She always would have some nice and go

(33:30):
pick for me and everything as my son, what's up pop?
Father's Day? I might get some socks or it's a
pair of clippers or something like that. But they mam
are getting a thousand dollars bottle of the cologne. Something
just everything that she wants. She got a list, she
get loved, But you know what, she's supposed to get
loved because I tell my boys, she's supposed to take
care of your mama. If something happened to me, y'all

(33:52):
butt to take care of y'all mama. That's you know,
that's the rules around here.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Something a man who takes care of their mom too, Like,
that's one of the characteristics out look for now. I
always make jokes that I don't like niggas with mamas,
and I don't like niggas with sisters, like if your
mama got to be an ancestor. I joke like that
a lot. But a man who takes cares, takes care
of his mom, you better believe he's going to take
care of you. So you need to thank his mama

(34:17):
for how he is by one.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Hundred percent for sure. Because one of my proud moments
is you know I'm moving to the South this summer, right.
I don't think I told you that, right, I'm moving
even California after all these years, right. But one of
the main reasons I'm leaving not just because it's cheap
route there and I'm tired of paying all these highest
taxes and everything else, and I want to see more

(34:39):
of my money, right right, But I am going to
go take care of my mother too. My mother is
moving in with me, and that's like proudest moment ever
from like, I cannot wait for that to happen. I
just can't wake up to eat breakfast with my mama.
But I also know that my mama is very moody,
So I got to make sure that where we move,
she got her as her own space and her own
safe space that she can retreat to when she getting

(35:00):
one of those Irene moves, you know what I mean.
But she wanted to get in, then Irene move, she
can go ahead and go to her thing. That's why
I like, you know, Atlanta got the basements, right the
Atlanta they got basements, and it's really not faces necessarily,
they had their own entrance and got like old separate
kitchen downsta certain cases. I want to get something like

(35:21):
that because I want her to be able to have
her own space because sometimes yeah, yeah, sometimes people just
don't want to be bothered with nobody else, you know
what I mean. That's that's fine too, especially.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
The older they get.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Man, My mama mean as hell. You know what I'm saying,
I'd be like, I, damn man, you won't never be happy.
Older black women are meet as fun. Like I feel
like we all got the same Mama.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I really.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I've been on this post the other day. Was on
wealth dot com, I think, but it was like, I
don't know if these these articles be real, these headlines,
but it was something like a call from your mom,
can you know, ease the pressing or ease anxiety or
something like that, And all the comments were saying shit,

(36:05):
like shit, not for my mama, stressed up, her number
prop up sometimes.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think I was telling you earlier that my mom
can be mean sometime and I tell her, I tell
her not like Mama. You didn't even have to say
all that, Like my mama is just real. My mom
don't curse. She curse, but she is going to make
I feel like you're this small and she's gonna say
what's on her mind well while you know it.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
And I'm like, mama, But imagine if we did that
to them though, right, because it's not that we can't,
you know, because they are not above reproach.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
They have flaws also, So imagine if we told them
exactly how we felt about them. They would crush them,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
So they'd be round here hurting our fucking feelings and
we just gotta gotta be quiet.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Hell, I'm gonna tell you that you very much like
I remember, if I talked bag, I would be like,
I don't know what was up with my mom. It's
like she had buying powers or something. She would throw
a cup or ship and it seemed like that thing
and turning around corners and hits your ass with it
like she has some black mama got some kind of
mental to lipty or something. They throw something next your ass.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
That ship hit me brown corner like this, making it
making it turn.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, because you would say something right like I know
my mom susould say something like come in here and
watch that she's not under my breath washing herself. I
ain't messing them up what you're saying. And next thing,
you know, a shoe come around the corner. Anything, and
they could throw anything makes your ass and that shit
makes your dad in your head. So definitely, black mamas, definitely,

(37:41):
they can definitely be on their ship when they want to.
But I think they go through a whole lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Absolutely, I got a lot of empathy for my mom,
Like she doesn't think I do, but I have a
lot of empathy for her because I understand the trauma
that she will never deal with, that she probably went
through as a child. Because our generation where you go
to therapy and shit like that, Like the baby Boomers,
they frown upon therapy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
They think it's weak. But you can't even talk about
your childhood without what's not crying.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
You gotta take care of yourself though, because I'm gonna
tell you, I think I shared what you want. How
long do that? When I told you I started taking
well butter about a year ago?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah that was like last year sometime. Yeah, and for
the longest I can so we need some ads, We.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Need some hey, Jane, how can y'all? Right? There? I
take well butteran not to be a real what do
they call it? A live, live case study? Right? Yeah,
you know, but admember. For the longest, I didn't think
that ship was working because I was like, man, I
don't feel no different. I don't feel no different.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
What happened was all of a sudden, I just started
feeling like me again because I went through this period
to where I wouldn't feel like myself, you know, dealing
with podcasts. Just we've been doing this show for a
long time. For those who benners since the beginning. All
the changes at the beginning, gets all the bullshit and
drama at the beginning, I think, not just that, but

(39:11):
a lot of shit. Just start wearing toll on them.
You start having the toll on me to where I
didn't feel like I felt like I was outside of
myself almost I'm tired all the time. I was just
like I just didn't feel like myself. Now, I would
say for the last six seven months, I've been feeling
like myself. I feel like me again.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I'm in a better mood. I'm not snappy. It's just like,
don't get me wrong, I still get mad. It's like
like my Like my therapist told me, she said, now, well,
different angles gonna make everything because she said, you're still
a human being who have to feel some shit, right,
they don't do that, but at the same trouble and
it just helps me to cope with everything a little
bit better, you know what I mean. I don't get mad.

(39:54):
I don't I used to get really frustrated about shit,
like I was mad because I think me and you've
got a lot of the same qualities. We are the
doors in our situation, right, We're the ones that make
sure shit get done. We often spending our own money.
We off often spending the most time with something. So
you can kind of start to resist your business partners

(40:16):
and people that should do stuff with because you're doing
every damn thing, and this seemed like they just kicking
back reaping the benefits, like you know, we get that.
I heart check out, Like damn, I gotta slit this
shit down the middle, and I'm doing all the fucking work.
That's what we're doing. No, not like that, and I'm
not I'm sinking Ad is the perfect partner. I'm not

(40:37):
talking about him. This is like my previous situations, right,
Ada is the perfect partner because that kind of he
understands business by him being entertainment so long, he understands
been so eight it's cool. I can do this show
with eight from here to the end of eternity. Like
it ain't about eight. This is about my previous dealing
with the previous you know, credence that.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I was involved with then you know what I'm saying,
you gotta make sure that you are in It's a
marriage essentially, and you just have to make sure you
go into business with somebody who has the same business
acumen as you. Whenever you fall short, they picked the
ball up and run, you know what I'm saying, And
vice versa, He's gonna make sure you got you know,
that type of partnership in any ship, that's the same

(41:19):
thing with your with your actual partner. You know what
I'm saying, your lover like, it's the same ship whenever
I'm you strong, and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That's how you have good good business. That's how you
do good business.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, you know you know aight is my boy. For
the record out there, eight is my dog. Eight is
my guy. We've been. Aden is easy to deal with
because he don't say much like he just he knows,
he understands business, you understand what I mean. So it's
a lot different with him, mom. He doesn't he doesn't
complain about stuff. He just kind of just does what

(41:50):
you know what I mean. As late back, he's like, okay,
this all deal with time. Were doing the show and
he come through this, come through the show, going about
his business. Aydus very much cool. But I am the person.
I am the person who started this show, so I
do have to have some responsibility. You know, I'm the
executive producer of the show. So it's a whole different thing.

(42:14):
I'm sorry. My daughter just came in and she see
I'm doing the show. She just don't came in by me,
I guess by me spearheading the show. I am. We
have a certain amount of responsibility. That's a thing, make sure.
But it gets our sometimes hard. Out here for a tip.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
And is sorry, man, listen, Podcasting is not easy. You
know we've been doing we talk back now, you know, January.
I feel like it's six years. Sorry show we launched
in twenty twenty one, so five years and it's not easy.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And we show up consistently, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's that's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Do I want to be talking on a mic forever? No,
because there's other size of this. You know, I want
my studio and ship it up.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
People could gave me to come recording my shit, but yeah,
WTV studios something like that.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
But it's not easy. It's not easy.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
To stay consistent doing anything and that time. Yeah, that's
how you get to where you're going. If this is
something you really want to do, Like I have always
aspired to be able to do something and make money
being myself, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I come from a more corporate background and you got
to have all these hats on.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Well, it's therapeutic, especially when you get to have conversations
like this and just kind of I think being a podcast,
you have to be able to bear. You have to
be able to tell your truth and not be embarrassed
about it. That's just what it is right here. It's
the truth. I don't you know. And I've never had
a problem with telling nobody that I take that I'm
go to therapy and I take anti depressants and all

(43:50):
that shit, because I think a lot of people. I
think if we have more people going to therapy and
take an antidepressence, we'll beat a lot better place. You
wouldn't see people losing lightly lives and shit the way
they do.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
So I think that diet.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
You know, also because you've you've not lost a significant
amount of weight recently too. Oh yeah, sure, you're back
in jail working on that also helps with your mental health.
You know, like black people we always say, like all
these diseases are hereditary. No, it's the fucking food. The
way we cook is what's hereditary. Yeah, so that that
helps with your mental health too. I wouldn't just automatically

(44:25):
go to medication, right, but a lot of people, a
lot of black people, are self medicating.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
My ex he was mean when he wasn't high. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I had to wait until the nigga got high to
have fun because I'm happy all day Like, that's not
my normal setting. But I don't know what he was
going through that. Maybe he didn't communicate, but he just
wasn't fun until he was high.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what's going on, right. I
think in our community, especially marijuana is legally California, and
you see people smoking blunts back to back to back
to back, and that's because they are self medicating. And uh,
I tell my friends go see a therapist, because, especially

(45:06):
especially when you black coming up in America, it's a
lot of shit going on in this country now. It's
hard to feel like you're constantly not under attack. And
I consider myself as sass that'sful, dude, you know, not
to be just all depress and shit. You know, me
and Fiend just started up a record label, right, We
started up a record label. We signed our first artist,

(45:28):
and about the sign our about to sign this other
group that's real dope man related the King Crook, his
little Brother's Shoe Gang. I'm really excited about the new
dudes and monsters on the microphone. So we building up
a real formidable roster that's gonna be able to go
head to head with Dreamville ten or anybody else out there,

(45:50):
like like we got some scenes over here. Uh, And
I'm excited about that, right. I never thought I was
gonna jump back into the music industry, but I'm back
in a little with the music before. It was the time,
you know, when I had my job before, when I
was on A and R, I was working for the
publishing company. It was one of them things to where
I got so just disenchanted with it because there's so

(46:12):
much bullshit to go on this business. I mean, you
will have people to set meetings up with you to
tell you they want to do stuff, and then you
don't hear from these motherfuckers. No more right to be
in the middle of negotiating the contract, and the motherfucker
just disappear on your ass. And then you see him
like six months down the road. Oh where you've been at? Man,
It's like, dude, why are you playing with me? You know,

(46:32):
I just got tired of the book, right, Yeah. I've
never told the act I was gonna sign them and
just just disappeared. I've never done it. I didn't get
to sign a whole bunch of people. But when I
had Mike chance and when I did go out Todell's,
I moved with a lot of intent. I didn't never
play with nobody's dreams, you know. I used to always
thought that was real fun, right, So I always managed

(46:54):
guys expectations, right, Like if I'm meeting with a major
label or something and they liked the music, I tell
them this is so much more than that. This ship
may not happen for another year. If it happens, you know,
right Yeah. And sometimes and when it's meant to happen,
it's easy. When something is from God, it's really easy.
You go through smooth, you know. It's like it's like
when we did our deal with Charlotte Maine. That shit

(47:14):
was smooth. It took a while, but it was like,
you know, from the time we had nasty talked and
was talked just like shit, I think it might have
taken us. Took us like, how long did it take
y'all signing y'all do? Like three months something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, that's because the attorney we had was bullshitting. I
essentially ended up doing Listen, I'm a whole lawyer in
my mind.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
You know what I'm saying. I've represented myself in multiple situations.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
You know, I ended up having to deal with Ship
because the lawyer was bullshitting, like I was wait for
him to send the contract back little wear shit.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
So I just I pretty much had to take care
of it myself after after about three.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Months, that's what we did too. So it was after
a while. It was like because the attorney, because you know,
they like to be you for hours, and I was like, dude,
you're not about to slip here and.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Building doing nothing.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
You're not doing nothing. This chick is this Ship is
not no ninety page document and it's pretty cut and dry.
I know then what I wanted, and it was pretty cool.
It's like I said, Dolly is one of my favorite people.
Shout out to Dolly Bishop.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah those are on Earth man.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, they good people, right. You know I can say
to an extent they changed my life. You know, great people, right,
But stuff takes time, right, And I always manage artists expectations,
always say it's a lot of work to do, and
just because you do get a deal, don't mean you
can just go kick back right now. It's a lot
of work to do.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
This is a lot of You get an advanced and
you've got to make sure you make that money back.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's not your money, then you're gonna pay it back
out And man, music, that's a whole another episode right
there for some different ship by itself. But I tell
people it's just not as easy. But I feel like
I'm back in the place to be able to go
out and actually help some young people a change their dreams, right,

(49:02):
And I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking for the
artists we've worked with. I just know I don't want
to see no shit going on like what's going on
with Cardi B and the old girl Nicki Minaj right now.
That shit is retarded, crash.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
It's just trash. It's just real trash, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
And uh, you know right now, what's been replaying is
like the Low Kim interview that she did on the
Breakfast Club, Like I don't know nine years ago, something
like that ten years ago where she was saying how
like y'all won't see like because people were basically calling
her bitter, as if she was coming for Nicki minaj.
I guess it was longer than that ago. But if
Nicki Minaje felt like Lo Kim was trying to sun

(49:40):
her like you need to bring you need to pay
homage to me, she essentially is doing the same shit
to Cardi B. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
feel like I feel like she wants to be the
only person. She's on an island by herself, essentially, you know,
she she wants everybody beneath her, people.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
To pay homage to you. You did birth all these
other female rappers. You made a lane for them.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I don't feel like anybody ever came in the game
disrespecting her. Most of these girls was in high school
when you came out. Nikki, you tripping.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, But you know what I say about that, right,
I think older people can do hip hop. I think
if you are older, rap artists, because I know he's
probably about to release the best rap album of his career.
He probably probably put the best album out he put
out like in a long time, probably the best ever.
Like seriously, like he this man that I ain't gonna

(50:31):
speak on it too much, but it's really dope. Like
people are gonna be really surprised and shocked. You know,
ain'tus coming with it on this shit?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Uh period?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I feel like this, right. I feel like hip hop
is about the young and angry, right. I feel like that,
you know, a young person comes out and they doing
their thing. You should you know, man, shut out to you.
I think everybody has their time, right, Like I was
listening to people talking about Kendrick oh man, he's the
greatest ever. Man, I've been doing this shit a long time,
and it's gonna be a enough new motherfucker a year

(51:01):
from now, two years from now, they gonna say it's
the greatest ever. And I'm like, okay, I heard this before.
Like at one time, Lil Wayne was that dude, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Lol?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Wayne was you know, it wasn't nobody didn't nobody think
nobody would ever do it bigger than Wayne. But then
Dad Kendrick, and it's gonna be somebody else. That's just
good for hip hop. You know, we need hip hop
to keep taking leaps and bounds.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I never understand why everybody just can't coexist, Like, you
can be good and I could be good week.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, good thing is. I'm pretty sure Dicki Minaj is
financially I'm pretty sure her financial help is, health is
in order, right, I'm pretty sure she got more money
than when she could ever imagine. She's doing her thing.
Carti is doing her thing. Carti is on top of
the game right now, her and Meghan and all of them,
they're doing anything right now. I just don't like the

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old motherfucker's coming in and thinking that the young person
owed himself.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, down and kiss they asked, like no, yeah, I
don't think now.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I don't think the young person should be disrespectful. I
think they always need to be mindful and pay homics
gumble right, but.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
The minute you violate, like I'm a violate you.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, but you know the thing what I see with Carti,
I actually like Carti. I like Cardi oh a lot.
I think Cardi is dope. I think she's doing her thing.
I like her personality because she's a real hood chick.
I like that about her. She's really a hood chick,
and she ain't change. She rich is a mother fucker
right now, but she ain't change. She's still and she she.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Never got used to the celebrity either, you know what
I'm saying. That's why she's always arguing with people when
they talk about her. Like girl, you have to even
in podcasting, you have to be okay with criticism, Like
people talk hell is shit about me, like they don't
know me in real life though, right the people who
know me in real life love me, and that's really
all that matters to me, right until if I get

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to know some of these people who you know, I
listen to the story listening to the show, but I
actually get to know you in real life and we
become friends or something like that, that's different.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
But you have to be able to accept criticism. Cardi B.
She has never gotten okay.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
With celebrity like she And I'm not saying like disrespect
should come with being a celebrity, but you should expect
some hateration, right because when you're doing well, you kind
of force people to recognize in their own situation, right,
you kind of make people evaluate their own situation.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
So success either garner's admiration or hater ration.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And adults have a hard time admitting that they fucking hater,
So instead of saying, yeah, I'm a hater, they will
create reasons to justify the hate. And that is what
Nicki has done. She has creative reasons to.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Not like the breakfast club. She thinks she's above repros.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Nobody's supposed to critique her, her songs, nobody's supposed to critique.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Anything she does. Same thing with Cardi B.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
They don't want anybody seeing anything negative against them. They
not always the most positive people though, right, So you
got to be careful that you're not putting out the
energy to receive that type of energy back.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Oh, one hundred percent, for sure, And she for sure
seemed like you know what it is, And I've seen
this with a lot of artists. You know how people
are kind of like not that their career is over,
but they kind of in the twilight and they're not
get attention. But somebody else here's right now, and it's
almost they like mad about that, like they're not paying
attention to me anymore. It's like, man, they enjoying this

(54:14):
time right now. And my thing, like you're rixis fuck
do your thing like you're rich. Go go take your jetting,
go some motherfucking where. I'm serious. I'll be honest with you.
I help a lot of young podcasts right because I
feel like this, if I can help somebody else, man
and she, they go and do their thing. They I'm
so busy doing what the fuck? I'm so busy worried

(54:36):
about what I got going on. I'm not paying the
shout out to all of them. I think it's dope
that you got young cats like cash or not. Man
that's doing this credible stuff. He got an incredible platform, right,
he's doing this thing with the stream and stuff. You
got a whole bunch of little dudes, the little black
kids that fixed now getting trying.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
To figure out how I can do that to a ship,
Like how did I get on.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Sing man popping? I make this for my lane, for
the o geez, you know what I mean. But but
shot out to the yellow people doing anything. I don't
like that shirt, you know, And it's like this, I'm
a Nicki Minaj. I think NICKI make dope music. I
think she's a dope ass MC. I think she dope.
Do your thing, don't worry about it. I do wish
the one thing I wish that Cardi would do is

(55:23):
stop worrying about what these motherfuckers got to say about her.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, you cannot address the whole world. You can't, so
don't even try it. You got she got to get
thicker skin.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
And move on.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I don't even look at ship like. I don't look
at negative things. If it's gonna affect my mental health.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I don't. Yeah, because I'm gonna tell you right now
what I don't like. I definitely don't like them on
there talking about each other's kids. I think that shit
is raggedy, and I think that's raggedy and destructive when
I think somebody can really get hurt when you start
talking up people's kids, you can really get hurt. Like,
that's a different you know, that's a different type of Uh,
that's a whole different tape energy. Because I'm gonna tell you,

(56:01):
somebody get to play with my kids. It's gonna be proud.
Probably it might be some pistol play involved.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
In that shit, you know, and all these kids young
and the internet is only going to get more sophisticated,
and it's gonna be even easier for your kids to
find this shit ten years from now.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
You know what I'm saying. The Internet is not pencil,
it's ink.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You cannot delete this shit because they still got Archive
dot Com tempted to try and delete from the Internet.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
So you got to be careful what you're saying. Do
online should have follow you for the rest of your
fucking life.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It is permanent, right then, you definitely have to be
mindful legal choices. Like I'm gonna tell you if with
all the information I have I know something about you,
don't stay in the industry for thirty years and not
have no secrets about motherfucker's right. I know a whole
bunch of stuff I can see about a whole bunch

(56:50):
of famous people. That's real. I got received, Yeah, but
I have integrity. It wouldn't it wouldn't do me no good,
you know. So I go out and get a few
more peace we're talking about, you know, I get, I
get my five minutes and stuff. But I've damaged the
relationship that's been a long term relationship. I care more
about my relationships out there trying to spot on somebody.

(57:11):
And I always thought that that was something I'm trying
to stop cursing. I always thought that was some ba stuff,
some fix and stuff. You know. I always thought that
was be a behavior. You know, rumors about people gossip.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Right, that's one of the things that people that's one
of those characteristics they want to assign to women.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
But men be out here dragging each other.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Or no, let me tell you this, ragging each other.
Men stay on the phone with each other all day
like shabby, patty, you and all that. I'm gonna tell
you one thing. I cut off. I love my homeboys,
shout my homeboys. But talk about whatever you got to
talk about. Let go, let's move. When I got time

(57:55):
to be on the phone for two hours, she with
the homies. Now O, I know, me and you usually talk.
We usually talk a while, but we usually have the
found we don't talk every day, right, we don't talk
every ding. We talk. We talk conversations, we catch up
on stuff, right, And I'm cool with that, right, But
all that stuff he gotta be Now, don't get me wrong.

(58:17):
If we talking business and strategizing, to me, that's fun.
That's getting stuff done. But I'm not just gonna stay
on the phone to talk about so and so on
what they got going on, especially if them motherfuckers got
more money than us. What the hell do I care
about what he got going on? For he doing what
he's supposed to be doing. Let us go off the
phone and get to the bag so we can, you know,
get our money up so somebody can sit at home

(58:39):
and talk about us on the phone. Right.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, people like to a minute chatty patty, but he
gonna he's gonna ask you directly in your face, you
know what I'm saying, Like, he's not gonna talk about
you behind your back. If you want to come a
parent and correct some shit, he's gonna let you come
correct some ship like they are essentially reporters of the culture.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
He can't be a chat you know.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
What I'm saying. And then furthermore, he's not going to
talk shit about you behind your back, like I'm pretty
sure you'll triple check with you if need be.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Oh yeah, Charlemagne is a good cat. Let me ask
you this. Do you remember that situation happened between him
and bird Man? Yes, everything looked so funny because Charlotte
Mage is man. Why do you want to arrest the
radio personality, go say something.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Even the ship with.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Dame Dash the other day, that shit pissed me off
so bad because I like, this is my family, right.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I just feel like he was trying to fuck out
of Charlamagne.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
That shit was bugging me so bad, you know, And
I told I actually hit Charlamagne up, and I was like,
you know this, I feel like this nigga trying to
before the before the headlines came out. I mean, same day,
I said, Nah, this nigga trying to provoke. He was
trying to provoke you so he can have a lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
And sure nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
A couple of hours later, he threatened to sue camera on,
threatening to shoot sue iHeart Radio in the breakfast club,
Like that's all it was about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Like that nigga was literally trying to get Sean and
hit him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
What does he gonna suit the breakfast club for? But
you know that with Charlotte Lane got thick skin. You
call him, You're sitting up there trying to call the
homie gay. It's not gonna do nothing for your arm.
It's not You're not gonna get a reaction out of
Charlotte Mayne with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Ship essentially from a man who was secure with his sexuality.
Now you can say that to some people who might
be sneaking and geeking on the low, and it might
offend them because they really got some ship to hide,
right for real, you know, But you got to tell
a man who's an actual, actual man. I don't think
Dame Dash he's losing it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I think he's fucked up financially for sure. And it's
sad because he is one of the legends too in
in in the industry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, and I think, you know this what I tell people,
because Momi would ask me about it and I told him,
I said, you know what, I think he may be
having some financial issues right now, but his definition broke
is probably a little bit different than the average persons.
D Ain' probably got him a million a couple of
million stats away somewhere, no for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And I think that's what he was trying to insinuate
on the show right when he kept saying, my family,
he basically got his shit in the trust, which he
if he's going through bankruptcy court right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
A lot of the shit he was saying on that
interview should not have been said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
If I was his lawyer, all right, I would have
call him and said, shut the fuck up. Why was
you on there saying these things like I don't think
that he's going to get the bankruptcy he wants, right,
because you are essentially on a nationally syndicated radio show
basically saying how you hide in money because we know
that you hire money trust els and shit like that.

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So he keeps saying his family office that's essentially a trust,
that's where he's operating, doing his business out of now
because his name is fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And the thing is this, if I'm going through a bankruptcyuh,
for sure, not though saying nothing to him bankruptcy per
seing that takes you about six months for your bankruptcy
to close out, don't it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I don't know. I've never filed. I've never filed bankruptcy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I'm not sure, man, ship, I'm gonna tell you that's
how I got my credit, Dude, I filed for bank
before my credit got deod. Motherfucker. After words. Wouldn't have
been after sure, wouldn't have been on those on those
show talking about with the money the breed a ride somewhere. Yeah,
that's because he's another dude of the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Ego is killing people. The eagle is killing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Working people. Tell the people that where they can go
listen to y'all show man what Stup'll? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
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that's my home girl right there, like my sister. I
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