Woman Claims man got her pregnant when he was 12, Wants Child Support?

Steele & Eiht chop it up with homie TJ Tillman about how he was sued for child support by a woman that claims that he got her pregnant when he was 12 years old causing his life to spiral into chaos. We also talk about how section 8 and child support are tools to tear up the black family.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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So you see everybody don't have their issues with shall
support I happened? Thank god, thank god I ain't had this.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I think well that let not let me say that,
you know, because you uh, you're a married man and
you know your wife and you've got the family unit.
You know, some of us have the biggest fortunate to
take that route. And you know, uh, if you was
happening kids or league and you go just you know,

(01:03):
ship like that, or you know, just had a key
in with a girl you brought that you would date or.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
With it it didn't work out. You know, that's how
that comes to play, you know, he just comes to pass. Well,
the homeman that we have on here tonight, man, it's
an expert. And if you think you gonna heard some
crazy stories, I guarantee you have never heard anything like
this before. We got my boy TJ in here, man

(01:31):
from child Support, his fraud. Man, I've known TJ for
a minute and now man and I really man, I
got to commend you. Man. First of all, thanks for
stopping through the ug A man. For sure, I appreciate
you buving me. I'm a fan of the show. You know,
I've been watching and so.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Once I've seen you know, we bump between each other
at church, it's like, oh man, I ain't even no
skill in there. But you know, once you reached out
and said, you know, I want you to come on
the show, you know, I was eager to get on because,
like I said, I'm a fan of the show.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Thank you for having them so for sure, and I'm
a fan of your content too. I've only jump right
into it. Man, you are a very you are like
a man's you know, women got their little groups and
people are standing up for them. I feel like you
talk for all the homies out here that they're being
taken advantage of about the whole should support system, because

(02:22):
I don't think a lot of people realize a lot
of that money from shout support don't actually doing the kids.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
No the especially when there's government assistance, meaning when they're
getting cachet, Medicaid, Medicare or foodstone. They can keep up
to sixty six percent of the money that they keep
and they can then dish out the remaining to the mothers.
And really, technically, if they really wanted to, like really

(02:50):
be gangst about it, just say for every just say,
if they collected five hundred dollars every five months, I
mean for every every month, they could keep up to
forty four hundred and fifty dollars boasted on what's actually
put in place to repay back that money they can
keep up to they can only they can keep all

(03:12):
their money and give out fifty bucks. But typically what
they do to try to kind of be fail so
to speak, they keep up to sixty six percent.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Wow, I don't think I ever heard story like yours, man.
I want to go into it, man, and I guarantee
you that you have never heard nothing like this before.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Eight So well, everybody can claim that their stories are different,
you saying everybody gonna claim, you know, and then we're
in the state of California, Uh shit is different probably
than other states, you know. So, but this is his
story of what he went through. As far as you know,

(03:53):
having kids and going through the child support system, I
guess yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
So like of course, like everybody, the de fine details
of everyone's case can be different. But what I tell
people is I don't give a damn ward you are.
You can be in Alaska, Wyoming, Texas, Compton, wherever you are,
and you're in the United States of America, that case

(04:20):
has to be opened the exact same way no matter
where you are in the United States of America. And
that's where I obtained my remedy. So for me, I
was ultimately put on child support at twelve years old.
How that happened is when I turned eighteen. So a

(04:43):
child was conceived when I was twelve years old when
I turned and during that time, the.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Mother, she was a minor.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
She was receiving government assistance as well, so she couldn't work,
so she got the cashe A, the food stamps, and
the government assistance. When I turned a eighteen, they retel
actively went back to when I was twelve years old
and put me in arrears for all of the money
that they gave out for the last six years okay,

(05:12):
allegedly served me at a house I don't even know.
I don't even know about it. I found out about
it when I'm twenty three years old, so seven years
after the case larned. I'm on child support for seven
years and don't even know it. So when I find
out about the case, I'm twenty four thousand dollars in
the rears and they're telling me you were pursuing to
the California Cold blah blah blah, you had six months

(05:35):
to respond. It's been seven years, so at this point,
there's nothing that can be done. And I'm under this
misrepresentation for a whole nother thirteen years, so total, I
was on child support for twenty years before I actually
took them back to court because for the first thirteen
years when I knew about it, I was told by
the courts and child support services that there was nothing

(05:58):
that can be done because I didn't respont within those
six perst six months.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
So, just to get this clear, they claim they served
a twelve year old boy.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So not no, no said was once he turned eighteen.
They backdated his shit, eh, exactly, so they said at
that point, they said that they served me when I
turned eighteen, but I didn't find out about the case
until I was twenty three years old.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Now when I.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Took them to court, So just put a timeframe on it.
In nineteen ninety six, the case was started. I found
about found out about the case in two thousand and three,
and what was it, two thousand and eleven they suspended
my license.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
So I then found out, you know, I found something
to haven't released my license and twenty sixteen, from twenty
eleven to twa they taking my money.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I'm paying them additional money so my license wouldn't get suspended,
but my license is getting suspended every year for a
system error. So now here we are in twenty sixteen,
and I'm talking to the people on the farm, like, YO,
why keep going after this anyway? Like I'm on top
of the money y'all taking. I'm giving y'all additional fifty

(07:22):
dollars to keep my license, but every year my license
is getting suspended for a system error. I have to
call y'all, you got to reinstate my license. I got
to give y'all a whole nother fifty dollars for reinstate
it and pay the DMV another seventy five to reinstate
my license. Every year, and I'm like, man, this shit
is fraud. And the lady said fraud. What you mean fraud?

(07:46):
You got served? I said, whoa woke me up. I'm like,
I got served. She said, yeah, you got served. I said, well,
tell me what day did I get served? Because I've
been with me every day of my life and I
know we didn't get served. The lady placed me on hold.
She said, man, I'm gonna tell you exactly what dy
you got served. She placed me on hold. We come back.
I'm on the phone. She said, mister Tillman, I'm sorry,

(08:08):
we don't have your signature. And I'm like, well, she
cut me off. She said, but that don't matter anyway,
because you volunteered into the program. I said, I did what.
She said, yeah, you volunteered. I said, well, tell me
one day did our volunteered. She said, well, I'm gonna
tell you the exact boy, we got your signature. She
placed me on hold again. She comes back, I'm sorry,
mister Tillman, we do not have your signature. So at

(08:31):
this point she told me one that I got served
and that I had to be served, which they didn't
have my signature. And two she told me that child
support was voluntary, that I volunteered into the program, which
she didn't have my signature. So I started doing more research.
What else are they supposed to do to open these cases?
And that's when all hell broke loose.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
So when you say that you when she told you
that you were volunteered into the program, what is that
that mean?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
That means?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And another question, you didn't get you saying you got served.
A lot of niggas I know didn't get served. They
got a letter in the mail saying if you don't
come to court, it's a warrant for your arrest.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And that's that's part of substitute service. So what It's
a two part question now. So first I'm gonna go
with eight. I proved that the house that they served
me at was a vacant house. I sent a subpoena
to laed w P to come testify on my behalf
who lived at this address on this date at this time.

(09:35):
They came and said, now, we did live at that address.
At one point they said that they served me by
the addressing comptent w I'm looking at the address and
I'm like, wait, hold up, if my memory serves me correctly.
We moved from Compton to Watts when I was still
a minor, so y'all say, y'all serve me at Compton
when I was in a doe. So I sent the

(09:57):
subpoena to LADWP. They can't have testify it, said, well,
his grandmother she closed the service down in Coffin. I
believe it was like April nineteen ninety six and she
been there for the last sixteen years. So there's no
way you could have served someone at that address. And
technically we didn't have any power there because no one

(10:18):
even lived at the address. So the signature that you have,
nobody could assigned for it because we didn't even have
any power there. So that's one. So I proved that
they never even that the signature was actually void, so
that at that point you would think that the case
would just be over, but we still had to argue points.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
This whole thing about the volunteery system work.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
So there's something called a general appearance. When a general
appearance says when a person comes to a court for
any reason that recognizes the authority of the court. You're
making a general appearance because you recognize our authority. That
means you're waiving your rights the childnge jurisdiction jurisdiction, and

(11:08):
you are consenting to participate in the program. So what
they're said is when remember I told you in two
thousand and eleven they suspended my license and I filed
something to hard my license released. They said, at that point,
I recognized their authority, and I made a general appearance,
and I consented to participate in this program. So any

(11:30):
like and just like when A was saying, just say,
for instance, you get a summons in the mail and saying,
okay you someone is starting a shout support case against you.
You show up this day, this hard, and you show
up thinking okay, well shit, I got to show up.
At that point, you just made a general appearance because
you recognize our authority. That letter was an offer letter.
You didn't have to show up, or you could have

(11:52):
showed up. The thing is, when I you have to
combat that, you have to do something called a special appearance.
A special appearance says I'm not wait even any of
my rights. I'm only here to examine the evidence fout
against me. And I said, I ain't here to talk
about money, I ain't here to talk about nothing, I'm
just here to look at the evidence against me because

(12:12):
under the fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, we
have a right to It says no person shall be
deprived of their life, liberty, or property without due process
of law. We have a right to be heard, a
right to a fair trial, a right to equal protection,
and a right to face our accuser. So a special

(12:33):
appearance falls up under face and our accusers. So I
can just show up and say I want to see
the evidence that they have against me, and then I'll
come back and create a competent defension on myself to
challenge that jurisdiction. But if you don't make a special appearance,
if you show up, if you hire an attorney that's
considered making a general appearance, you're waiving your rights to
challenge jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Wow, so how hear? Is so many different? Like we
can come back to yours right. Here's so many stories
about guys that don't even who, not even the fathers,
the kids. I've heard even a girl say, well, I
didn't want that guy to be the hood nigga, the
lazy nigga to be my daddy. So I picked this
dude over here, said that he was my baby's daddy.

(13:17):
Dude ain't never had no sex with her then, But
court love say, well, you the baby's.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Daddy, because it's a presumption, so gotta get you, gotta
get that blood test on that one. You you do.
But here's the thing. Even if just say, for instance,
they say that this is your baby and you're thinking
it is your child, and then it comes out later
on that it's not your child, you are deemed the
legal father because you establish a parent child relationship with

(13:45):
that child, and you're still obligated to child support even
though the DNA says that it's not yours.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Man, it's a it's.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
A cold game that they play, and taking it even
a step further, say, for instance, god forbid, you know
a married woman she step out and get pregnant by
another man, even though that another man is the biological father,
that child is a child of the marriage, and that

(14:14):
husband is the legal father, and should they separate, he
will be obligated to child support and not the biological
the real daddy.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
So the real daddy, he just a spermed on. He
out there running around free. Not only has he knocked
your wife down, but now you go take care of
his kid.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
This is what it's cold and like even for me too.
And this is something that the court brought up while
we're going through my process. The court looking at him like,
wait a minute, the child was conceived when he was
twelve years old. He hadn't even reached puberty yet to
even produce semen to birth a child. Did y'all not

(14:52):
even consider that? The court looking at it like, well,
I mean child support is like, whoa, No, we never
even considered that at all. So it's like, y'all have
a whole lot of problems that y'all have going on
here that y'all just bypassing it. Why though, And people
always ask like why why do you think that is?

(15:12):
There's a United States Code is forty two USC that
United States Code six fifty eight A as an apple
that is the incentive payment. For the fiscal year of
twenty twenty five, the United States government authorized seven hundred

(15:32):
and thirty five million dollars to states to find us
guilty in these child support hearings. So the more child
support cases they start, the more arrears they collect, the
more paternity they established based on their performance, they get
to tap into seven hundred and thirty five million dollars
just for this year alone. Last year was seven hundred

(15:54):
and thirteen million. They are incentivized to start these cases.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So why hasn't there been no like sweeping legislation over this?
Changed these laws.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I just told you when they issuing out seven hundred
and thirty five million dollars a year. Ain't nobody who
who's making the who wants this to change? Everybody getting
paid off of this. It literally when you go through that,
when you look at it, they issued a budget the
Department of Healthy and Human Service. They have to publish

(16:31):
it every year. It says that what was it, uh
thirty million of that seven hundred and thirty five million,
thirty million of it goes to the courts, to the
Attorney Bar Association to train these judges. All everybody is
getting paid off of that money. It literally says it.

(16:52):
You're gonna look it up for yourself.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So everybody is eating. So you going through this whole thing,
they've established that you were a child when this baby
was conceived, right true? Go ahead, hold on, so I
assume all the pinions stopped at that time, that you
don't have to pay.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
No more or no, So every way they were still
charging me, taking my money, and at certain point I
stopped paying them. Why once I figured out what they
did and how they did it. Because also twenty a USC.
Sixteen ninety one says that everything that's filed the summons,

(17:32):
and like I said, every case has to be open
the same. I don't care what state you in. It
has to have a summons, it has to have a complaint,
there has to be a proof of service. Some people
have defaults in the actual judgment. Those five documents sometimes
it's four. They have to be under the seal of
the court, signed by the clerk thereof, and it has
to be signed by an actual judge. Mean that that

(17:56):
is not done correctly. Everything else after that is no
and void. So we don't know what they did. When
I went in and got those documents and looked at
my paperwork, my proof of service was completely blanket, was
never even filed. But there's a presumption. So and like

(18:16):
I said, there's I'm sure everybody heard of innocent into
proven guilty. That's in the judicial process. But in these
child support is administrative. I thought that goes into the
three branches of government, judicial, legislative, and executive. Child support
falls under administrative. In these administrative parents, they work under
something called prima faci. Prima fac says the courts take

(18:37):
whatever is filed as true and correct until you provide
evidence to say that it's not. So if you don't
challenge it, the court's presum at you and gree and
that everything is done correct.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So let me get this straight. You can have a
situation where a girl says that you are the father
a third child. You don't know nothing about this. You
gonna get married, and it could be five years later
because she's been getting welfare. Di didn't just start garnishing.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Your shape, Yes, because they gonna want you to come
in and to challenge it, to provide evidence to show
whether you're gonna take a DNA, and then we'll we
can go through that route. But if you're if you
establish a parent ch our relationship with that child, if
you know about it, be you in trouble. But if
you don't know about it and then you take a

(19:30):
DNA and they find out that is not yours, then
they will undo the child support. Okay, So, but if
you know about it, and you and you whether you
bought diapers, showed up to a doctor appointment, whatever the
case may be. At that point, you created a parent

(19:52):
chiur relationship and you're now obligated to it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh wow, So with your particular case, I don't want
to jump too you know, too far ahead, right, Please
tell me you got reimbursed all the money they were taking.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I did, and and even and something. This is
something I want to make very clear to before we
even get into that. Ultimately, the courts rule that I wasn't.
I hadn't even reached puberty to even produce a child.
So the courts ruled that I wasn't. There's no way

(20:30):
possible that I could have birth this child.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's one.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
And but you would think, okay, the kid is not his.
If he couldn't birth a child, then let's end the
child support. No, that did not happen. I still had
to argue points on whether it was signed by a judge,
whether it was I had to prove that they never
served all of these things. And ultimately, when my case, yes,
so to ask you a question, the case did get dismissed,

(20:54):
and my case was dismissed for extriistic fraud after twenty
two years and when the case got dismissed. They offered
to pay me back penny for a penny everything that
they took from me, without interest, and I declined it
because shit, I need damages y'all. Y'all had this unlawful
child support on me, you put a lean on my

(21:15):
name and all these things for twenty two years.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I need damages too.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
So they thought you your money better than that, and
I was gonna take it. Yeah, No, I didn't take it.
So I they made me a settlement offer. I declined it.
I took them to the federal court, and going through
that federal room court process, they started to get right.
They made me two more settlement offers, and on the
third one it was much better than everything else, and

(21:43):
we got it right.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Now, what happened to miss old girl that just said
that you just just imaginary baby daddy?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
What happened to her?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Did she get go to jail?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
No, there's no repercussions for that because she didn't. She
didn't have she didn't sign an oath of b all.
She don't have any procedures or guidelines to follow. Now,
let's just be fully transparent. I was twelve years old.
I know the girl I she spent she spent a
night at my cousin's house. We attempted to have sex

(22:15):
at twelve. I think she was fourteen or fifteen at
the time, whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I never passed go.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I didn't collect two hundred dollars. I never penetrated her
at all, So she didn't She never showed up to
knock one hearing at all. There's no repercussions on the
back end for anything the case. There's the state's responsibility
because once they once she brought them the case, but

(22:44):
actually they started the case because she was getting the
government assistance. So it was their responsibility to ensure and
make sure that everything that was put on the application
was done correctly and making sure that the service was
done correctly my address. It was their responsibilit So they
was the one that was lying. And what I learned

(23:07):
from the federal judge, in order for her to go
to jail or anything, the state would have had to
pick that up and bring charges criminal charges against her.
They wouldn't have did that wide because they were found
guilty in it ain't case.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Hmmm, so they just get to grow. Now, let me
ask you this, are there any instances in which the
woman is punished because usually you're still and commit fraud,
you know, you go to jail for it.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
But that's and that's exactly what I said, and this
is what I.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Learned from a federal judge.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Fraud is a criminal offense. In order for criminal charges
to be brought, only the district attorney can bring on
criminal charges. The district attorney was one of the defendants
in my case when I took them, when I sew
them in federal court, so I needed them to bring
charges against her if I wanted to do that. But

(24:04):
they was defended as well. So how does that work?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't know. Man, it seemed like this a big
in never ending repit hole when it come to that man.
Because I'm gonna tell you, in America, the man gets
the short end of the stick and everything. Yeah, sure
we get to shortening the stick. And I don't you
know what I'm gonna say something. This is not a
call for y'all did beat daddy's officers. Don't take care

(24:32):
of your kids. You're supposed to take care of your kids.
If you own child support, you're supposed to take your
child support. This ain't no scheme for you to get
out of your responsibility.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
No facts. And that's why my tagline is anytime you
hear me say child support, this fraud, immediately after I'm saying,
but we still taking care of these kids, because this
ain't no get out of jail free caller. I'm not
educating men nor women to challenge any parents' responsibility to
take care of children. I'm just saying that, Okay, if

(25:02):
if this is the process that we're going through, let's
just make sure that y'all doing your job.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well. Let me ask you, the whole time you was
going through this, were you married already?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I was. I got married in twenty sixteen, so yeah,
from twenty sixteen on, from twenty sixteen to two thousand.
The case got dismissed in twenty eighteen, so for two
years while I was going through the court process, I
was married.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, you knew your wife of course before you you
know your day to do this, it wouldn't cause any
derisks in your relationship.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
No, I mean because she knew about it. I mean,
like I said, this happened when I found out about
it at twenty three, So at that point I had
already met her. I met her my wife when I
was what seventeen, so she already everybody knew that I
was going through this child support the issue. And it's like, well,
you say you didn't have sex with her, how is

(25:59):
this even your baby? But the course is saying, ain't
nothing you can do, so what do you do? So
but answer your question now, it was there was never
no issue that Actually the only issue that came up
was when we actually got married and uh, we was going.
We thought we was going to Puncha Kona for our honeymoon.

(26:19):
I pay to get my passport. He coming to mail.
I rip it over. They're gonna for to get my passport.
It's a denial letter from child support saying your passport
is on hold. We done pay thirty eight hundred dollars
to go to Ponta Kana. I can't even go. It's
only a month left. Now I gotta tell her, hey,

(26:40):
I can't even go to the kind of mouth fustport
is a hold and she like dog like you you
need to fix that and really get on it, because
like now it's it's we losing money, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
And this effecting you know eventually, man, even if your
walk wife on your team, then just starting infecting your relationship.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, I see it all the time because
I do like consultations and I'll be talking to men
and surprisingly like some women actually be tapping in and
be contacting me.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
For their husbands and for their boyfriends. Like, man, this
is affecting him. He don't want to go in there
and deal with them people and want the people in
his business. But we can't even go out of the
country because of this because his passport on hold is
stopping us from buying the house because he got this
lean on his name.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
So yeah, it definitely affects you. So when you so
when you old child's board, they put a lean on you,
just like if you owe money to somebody put a
link on your account. Well I'll tell you that you Yeah,
they put a lien on your name.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
But even with that lean too, It's it's tricky, bro,
because they they don't they don't follow their own procedures
because they the Lincol actually only be your name for
twenty years, so and before that ten year mark they
have to renew it. And if they don't renew it

(28:04):
before the ten years, delane is not even enforceable anymore.
But it'll still be there if you don't even know
how to go in there and going.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Challenge, So you didn't when they first told you that
you owe child support, you didn't challenge it. You just
started paying.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
No, they took my money. So when I found out
about it, I was working and HR called me and said, hey,
we just got an income up holder or that they
start taking your check effective immediately. So I didn't have
no option. They just start taking my money. And when
I contacted child support, they're like, well, why you call
on a stand You've been on child support for seven years?

(28:41):
What you mean you call it right now? I'm like
seven years, And like I said, at that point, I
was told by child support and I went to the
courts and the course said, well, you know, Chrishilla California call,
you had six month three responders. At that point, it's
default judgment, so there's nothing that can be done. But
what they don't tell you is that a boyd judgment

(29:04):
or fraud. When they when it's open under fraud, misrepresentation, misrepresentation, comhersion,
or under the rest a boy judgment is boy past president.
In the future, there's no time when they on a
boy judgment. It can be challenged at any time.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's crazy. That's that's insane, man, that's insane. I was
talking earlier. Man. You know, we hear a number of cases,
you know, going back to this of you have women
who knowingly put other men as a father only child's
birth certificate right for whatever reason. They may not like

(29:42):
the other command. The other man may be a drunk,
the other man may be a drug at it, so
they put those others down there. And you hear about
these guys playing child support for years and never being
able to get off when they if they eventually exonerated
from that, is there any jail time towards the woman
who made the explation? WHA, they're not. They're not gonna stick.

(30:07):
No mom in jail. They're not.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
They're not unless you unless she don't physically hurt the
kid or did some ship like that. You will never
see a court throw a mom in jail over no
child support ship, whether on the baby all because she
I didn't know or or or it's just as simple.
But they're not gonna turn around and do it. They

(30:33):
could turn around and point the finger at you for
wanting them to do some ship like that.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Like her in jail.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
She's the mother of your child, like you know, they
they they're just not it's not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
They really not the mother theyself she likes.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It's not gonna work in that favor. You will that happen.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
But what they tell you is it was your responsibility
to come and you should have came in here sooner.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
But you don't know something that some kids that you
don't know. What's like if somebody decided to just say,
Norman Steele is my baby's.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Daddy, you better mean you better be you better be
smart enough to know if you was fucking that bitch
like that, you better be smart enough to know.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
No, you want to be that dumb that let a.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Bitch just walk in and go, yeah, that's my dad
and he's my baby's fine.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Nona listen, they listen. It's the situations that go like this,
I may just be familiar with this person. This person
may be somebody that work with or whatever like that.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Did you know listen then then.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
This is what I'm talking about. There are men who
have been choose of fathering kids and they have never
had no, no kind of sex thing, even touches WoT.
They don't even know each other. In my mind and.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
What you should have came to court.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
You gotta go take a DNA test, that's what, because yeah,
she can walk in there right now and go this
nigga's my baby's daddy, and they gonna they go from
right there and there they gonna start making you pay.
It's your fucking responsibility to go fuck that. That's not
my kid, and I want a fucking blood test, and

(32:22):
they gonna make you pay for it.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
But then that's how you get it cracket.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
That's that's what happened. Want you got a vidion.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I ain't never fucked her or nigga all fucked her
once a year ago or whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Like no, like if you can't possibly be the father,
and a lot of like like, let's just keep it
a buck. A lot of people, from what I've seen too,
they may even know, like, man, I don't think this
kid may be mine. I really, but I got a
one on some traffic shit, I gotta one on some
other All you want to go on because I think

(32:56):
I'm gonna get arrested for whatever the case may be.
They don't go in there and do it, so it's
it's now you you're the dad.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
By default by not showing act, you're just gonna be paid. Like, hey,
if you don't want to take the responsibility to find
out if it's yours or not, maybe maybe you did
fuck and may you like I don't think it is,
and at this point I don't even want to find out.

(33:25):
So you be so naive, like you said, you don't
even go down there to find out. So fuck it.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
You're just paying every month. You're the legal father. Now,
now you know what I do think, man, in cases,
because I've seen stuff, man, you know, unfortunately, man, we
all know some foul cats. I've seen dudes who've had
babies with people longly and because they married their wife
may tell them you can't have nothing to do with
their child, and they just don't have nothing to do

(33:52):
with the kid. You feel mean like the kid is
just over there, just in whom or whatever. Right, this
is like that see somebody you know going after somebody
for not being responsible, But it was like, it's the
opposite in this country. Now. I know so many people
I know. I know brothers who got their kids with
them paying chouts.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, and that's a problem because the.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Fuck about that they don't care if you're the father
and you got the kid. Nigga, if we order child support, nigga,
pay us that money.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
If it ain't, if it ain't coming through us, it
counts for nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
If I mean it's a gift, you could be paying
for your kids to go to school.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You can be paying for sports programs, you can be
buying the clothes, all kinds of shit, and if they
don't go through them, it counts for nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Now y'all know Eddie Curry, Yeah, you heard the story.
Mm hmm. This time he paid this girl over a
million dollars. He had receipts for everything, cashiers, checks, zel's,
cash out, everything, every money that he gave her, he

(35:10):
had receiveds of it. She took him to court. His
child was seventeen years old, and they said that he
never paid her anything. And he go to court, real receipts.
I gave this woman over a million dollars here a
million dollars worth of receipts. They said, well, it didn't
come through us. It was a gift. Yeah, it's a gift.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah it didn't considered a gift. That's gift. The gift.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It was a gift.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Let me do what child support. It didn't come through us.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, so it.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Has to like when you if you send in those
cash AUPs, those zel's in that note, it better say
child support that if you won't credit for it.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
So she just used sid as eight TM. She just said,
you know, that was a gift that you get me.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
She came up and he had a bubble back on
it like it's it's a cold game man like, and
that's that'd be the thing too, Like I just didn't
want mind success to be like an individual success. And
it's like this type of shit is just like, bro,
I I got to let our people, hey, you come
look and see what they're doing, because child support affects

(36:14):
so many people, especially in our community, and a lot
of people don't know that there are things that can
be done. And it, like you said, it ain't not
not take care of your kids, but having the people
in your business and taking the bread. Ain't your kid
not even getting the money. That's a whole other situation.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, that's all bad because I know a whole bunch
of homies. Men. What's crazy is they take care of
their kids, and they gonna make money to take care
of their kids, but they have somebody telling them, well,
you cannot leave the country because you owe as much
in child support. And the thing is, you may have
somebody going over to Japan to pick up twenty five

(36:54):
thirty thousand dollars, ain't gone come pay their bill, and
they can't go get the money. They can't work, So
it's almost pathforts it is.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And yeah, I think that's I think that's kind of
crazy too, Like, Okay, you want me to pay child support,
but then you're you're fucking you're fucking killing off all my.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Means of maybe the money to pay child support.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You want to take my license. I'm supposed to get
to work. I can't uber to work every day. You
get me, what if I'm an international dude, then I
work overseas and do all that. I can't even go work,
and that could be anything. You know, their jobs are
all over you feel me. So you want to take
my passport, you want to take my license? What is

(37:41):
that going to do for the income? Then?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
And the Department of Justice agree with you, because in
twoy sixteen and in twenty twenty three they issued child
support in the courts. A dear colleague letter letting them
know that suspending people's license is for forcing to force
them to pay these child support here in these parking tickets.

(38:06):
It was unlawful because like eight said, how you want
me to go to work if you suspended my license?
They said, it's kind of productive. They said, it's other
means for the state to satisfy their entry. Besides suspending
someone's license or restricting their right to travel to go
for business. You could have did something else other than

(38:28):
suspending their license. And a lot of people have used
that letter along with the de license restration affidavit that
I created to get their license released. And too we're
in California. This year California passed the bill that nobody's
license in California should be suspended because of child support.

(38:52):
As of twenty twenty five, nobody licensed in California.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I'm with that because this stupid. Because you got a
lot of gas truck drivers, got some dudes who might
drive uber you go, you need your car to get
the work. Many everybody can go catch the bus to work.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Transportation is the means of a lot of jobs for
niggas who can't get those regular jobs.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So, if I'm a fella coming home and the nigga
don't want to give me a job.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
But I got a car out there.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I can uber, I can insta cart, I can postmate,
I could do anything. But now I'm in fear of
getting pulled over because my license is suspended because of
not paying some shit that you say I should pay,
you didn't because I takes care of my kid. There's

(39:44):
there's not a motherfucker you can haul in the court
right now and say, oh the nigga, Oh, the kid
plays sports. The kid goes to the movies on weekends
and have the lady's shoes and all kinds. So what
do you want me to do that? That's the dumbest
ship ever. Whoever came up with that is the dumbest

(40:07):
motherfucker in the history of making laws.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I need to work.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I expect to take money out of my checks and
expect me to pay when you're condemning me from even
being able to work.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
What am I supposed to do? Then?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Am I supposed to hear? If I supposed to what?
So now I'm supposed to pay your motherfucker to get
to work. That's more money coming off mind, y'all. Don't
want to leave a nigga with nothing, huh at all
that you want a nigga to be dead broke, and
then you complain about the homelessnesses and ship out here.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
But god damn, what the fuck am I you give me?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm gonna be homeless in a minute because you're taking
money out of my check. I can't drive to work
because I'm gonna get pulled over and probably get my
car impounded because I got no license for child support?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
You get me? So now what?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Now I'm gonna lose my house because I'm not making
enough money because y'all taken every fucking thing. So I was,
how is this supposed to work?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
How it work? I'na let me tell you what child
support attorney told me when I told her that in
my child support. Then she said, mister Tilly, you can
get on a bus. I said, ma'am. I said, let's
let's just let's just take this in perspective for a second.
I said, I'll look you up. You from Guardina, I'm
from Compton, Man, I can't get on a bus with

(41:30):
my kids. You want me to put my kids in
danger by sitting on the bus stop. She said, Well,
driving is not a privilege, it's a right. And it's
my right in order for you to make sure that
these documents were fouled correctly in the very beginning, and
that it's a boid ad judgment. Therefore everything that you're
talking about is not enforceable. She ain't had nothing to

(41:52):
say at that point, She's.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Stopped, and I really feel like, maybe that's please scholar,
that ship is dumb as fuck.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Then get on the bus, bitch. I'm living. I live
in the I E. I commute to work to l A.
I can't take no fucking bus from the fucking.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I E to fuck is La. It takes me three
hours hours. They currently all all they care about is
that bread. And that's the thing with child support and
uh and this is what I want to like, I'm
really happy to be on this platform. Why because I

(42:34):
know I'm talking to my people, like my people, my people,
like there's a difference in between family court and child support,
two totally different things. Why was this? Why was this created?
Why it was it was created? Was it because the state?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Was it because the state was losing money over other
ship and they figured out a mass way to you know,
because before then, you know, my parents got divorced in
whatever whatever, and my father had a bomb job at
General Motors and whatever, whatever, my mom nike it the
court for child support.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So let me answer that for you so real. I'm
gonna make it brief as possible. In nineteen thirty five
they started the CACHETE the program, the government assistant program
that started in nineteen.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
County you get your county check, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Exactly, And I started in nineteen thirty five because in
nineteen thirty five it was a great depression. Man was
going to war and at that time women could barely work.
So if a man went the war, where he left
his woman, she couldn't see, she couldn't support herself. So
they had to come up with that program. Yes, in
nineteen seventy five, President Gerald Ford, they looking at it like,
wait a minute, we started to give out a lot

(43:49):
of this free money to all of these underprivileged areas,
and that wasn't what the intention was. So in nineteen
thirty five that the program was Title four A. But
in nineteen seventy five they did an amendment called Title
four D, which we know as child support. It was
created to repay back the money that they was given
out from the cash shade and the food STAPs because

(44:11):
that money is a grant. So the cash shade in
the food stamps is a grant. What is a grant?
A grant is a gift. A gift is something that's
given without any counterbalance of payment. You don't have to
pay that money back. So how are you forcing? How
did you come up with a whole other program to
make people pay back money that was given out as
a grant. That's how it started. Child support started in

(44:33):
nineteen seventy five and it's called it's under the nineteen
thirty nineteen seventy five Social Security ACD. It was created
to repay back the money that was given out for
the cast shade in the food stamps. Okay, that's it.
That's its sole purpose.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Wow, I got a question for your TJ. And what
happens in the event that a man is deceased and
you can't come back and suit people's the states? Right?
Have you ever heard of anything like that where a
man is dead, it's somebody coming all this stuff claiming
that he was the father of their kids.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
If there's a rears old, then the estate they're going
after this state for those arrears. And he's like, you
can still be dead and you're still gonna pay their
sholder support because your child still has to be careful.
And especially if we gave our money, we need that
money back.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You know what, man America has really turned into, like
against the nation.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's been against the nation of where.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
They want because I tell you the situation with me
and have none to do with showers spoils a tax
thing all what I was saying too much. I know
how to protect some of my assets. Right. Do you
know that these people went into my wife's bank account.
Of course it took ten thousand dollars off. My name
ain't nowhere in her bank account, nowhere on it.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Y'all married, so y'all won same thing with child support.
You they gonna go after your They going to your
wife account.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's crazy. So your wife don't have nothing to do
with this. And the thing about that, let me tell
you what the crazy thing about that guardanshing somebody's money
from the bank. What if that's not your money and.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
They don't get it, well, I care about none of that.
It's a taxico social Security number.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
If it's in there, we're gonna take it.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Fuck it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
They can't do in a business account no, they can't.
They will if you give them. If you if you
can sit and authorize them to do what they will,
But if you don't, then they can't and would authorized
nothing like that. But unknowingly, m I looked at.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
All the stuff we would say the people do it unknowingly.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I said, some people do unknowingly because a lot where
I see it happen the most is where like there
was a marriage and they going through the divorce. Now
they separating the assets and the wife is like, well
he got these businesses and it's all in So now
they're coming in. You provided them the business financially, they
ain't got nothing to do with me. Linelle Tillman Linel

(47:10):
Tilman LLC. Is totally different from Lonell Tillman. Those two
different acts. There's two different people. Yeah, but if you
give it to them, they're gonna go over there.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, because imagine this bro like right, some people have
business together like right, like yeah, this is a podcast,
but this is a business for me and eight mm hmm.
Let's say they could hit your business account and it's
thirty thousand dollars in there and they snatch it. Man,
that money was eight and y'all still like that wasn't

(47:39):
all my money. You feel what I'm.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Saying, and that's why they came. But they will if
you allow them to go in there to do it.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
So I heard you mentioned something one day, man about
a birth certificate, right, Yeah, I want you to break
that down. Break that down because you was you that.
That's what made me want to get you on the show.
You were given a lot of information that people don't
know that they need to know.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
So in order to open up a child support case,
paternity has to be established. Paternity is established through signing
that document at a hospital, doing a DNA, through marriage
by default.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Or by marriage.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
When you sign that document in the hospital and they're
telling you it was for the birth certificate, but it's
also a dual contract for child support services, but that
when you sign that document, they're supposed to do certain things.
It's forty five CFR. That's Code Federal Regulations three h
three point five. It says that they must provide the

(48:43):
mother and alleged father a written materials about paternity establishment
B the forum necessary to sign them. The problem is
they don't do c C says that they have to
give us a notice in the hospital, saying these are
the legal consequences of aestablishing paternity, child support licenses, mansion
income with holding on the bank levey, putting it on

(49:04):
your credit report, possible jail time. And it also says
they must give us d D says that they have
to give us the opportunity to speak with a staff
either by telephone on person who's trained to answer questions,
because they presume that and we say, hey, still, you know,
I know your wife, she just had this baby, and
you know the family's buying. Here's this clipboard. It's for

(49:27):
the birth certificate, but it's also for a dual contract
with child support services. Oh, and we have to tell
you that this is a dual contract and before signing
it you may want to seek legal representation because you
are agreeing to at any point child support, licensed, mansion
income with holding on the bank levees, all of these things.
It's just if they don't provide that notice paternity was

(49:51):
never established. I'm not saying that these children are not mind.
What I'm saying is the legal parent, the parent child
relations ship that y'all must have established in order to
open a child support case. It never happened. Therefore you
never even have Jewish diction even open a child support
case to begin with. And after forty five CFR three

(50:13):
or three point five look it up?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Do you really tell me these numbers? Do you know
the lulls like the day of your hand?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Brouh, This is my life. I went through this shit.
This is my life. Dog. I had to know this
shit to go in there and go talk to the people.
I represented myself for two years with no legal background.
Thank you to coptain hide. They I know how to
I know how to read. I can't a real simple dog.
This is this is what your policy says. Did you

(50:42):
follow it?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yes or no?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
That was my defense, real simple. I took it back
to grade school.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Do you like me?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yes or no? Did you follow your own procedures? Yes
or no? That's all I did.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Now when you wound to beating them, did you ever
feel at any point did you pish anybody off? Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Brother? Are you talking about the government? Bro? They giving
off seven hundred million dollars a year and here I am,
little o me telling everybody that what they're doing is
fraw and put showing everybody with the money out of
where it's going. Will you come on man, because they ain't.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You're dangerous, because that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Anytime, I was just getting ready to say that in
this country.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Anytime you start having the revolution in every thought for
all system, challenge the system, they usually take those kind
of people out if they start making too much noise. Bruh.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It just started. It started moving faster than what I
knew it once my case got dismissed because I was
already like documented on ig in my process. But when
it actually happened, now everybody like, oh shit, like it
actually got dismissed. So now everybody sharing and asking how
did you do it? And it's just start moving. It
is it went from fivey twenty to fifty one hundred

(51:58):
three hundred is just start moving and it's just going. Now.
I'm innute, this is my life. What were we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Did they try to get you to sign a gag order?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
They I did sign an NBA with West. We did
the money part, so I can't talk about how much money.
But I would not agree to anything saying that I
can't educate my people. That was my only stipulation. If
you talking about like I gotta stop educating my people.

(52:30):
The deal is off the table.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
So they just and they don't want you to say
nothing because they don't want other people coming trying to reclaims.
There's the state of go broke now or child support
laws pretty uniform across the country.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
No, because the child supports is a state run program,
so the state. Each state has their own different state statues.
But I didn't use anything. I didn't use now one
California law and my child's apart hement. I only used
Supreme Court case law co to federal regulations and United

(53:09):
States codes. So I kept it on a federal level
because the state laws are supposed to mirror the federal laws,
and I use the Constitution, so it's like, okay, well,
the Constitution and the Supreme Court case law. It's the
law of the land. And it's called Article six, section
two in the United States Constitution that says that no

(53:30):
state can come up with their own state law that
conflicts with the federal law and the United States Constitution
that it does that state law is boyd. So I
kept it on the federal level. And that's how I'm
able to educate a mass amount of people because it
ain't just I didn't use nothing pertaining the California.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Your service is so needed. You have a unique service too,
because I've never heard of anything like that was for Brian.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean, it's there. They have to publish it. We
just got to you already. You know what they say.
If you want to hide something from a nigga where
you gonna put it, they have to publish the information.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
We just got to read it. And I'm pretty sure
based on the way stuff feels your business strive. Yeah. No,
it's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's on the incline. And I know we.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Go ahead now, I'm saying. And for me, I just
try to like not to get lost in us off
and just remembering why I'm doing it, like the money comes.
But at the same time, for me, it's just like
it's always it's always about my people. Dog like when
I when I keep that in my mind, it's like
not to get because I'm not an attorney, so I

(54:50):
can't give legal advice. So I'm very I still on
that thin line of being compliant on I can educate you,
but I ain't gonna do nothing that put me in
a predicament where these people finish statue me up and
take me away from my family because I'm I'm in
their faith. I'm I'm in a public M.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
So, do you have any like just you know, folks
about your business? Spreadsure? Right, do you have any Do
you have a lawyer that you work with as well?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
No, because when you're hire an attorney, you waiving your rights. M.
The child support is not judicial, it's administrator. You can
have an administrative You can have these administrative hearings at McDonald's.
Bro respectfully, no disrespecting nobody to work for McDonald's. If
you got three no call, no shows at your job,

(55:42):
they can say, hey, hey, you you signed this document
that said you was gonna follow a policy. You got
three called no call, no shows, we're gonna reprimand you.
It's the same process. It's administrative process. It's not judicial.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
You know what, man, I'm not laughing, man, I'm kind
of laughing at the just the whole just situation with
this because there's so many and it's almost like it
targets black men and black family is unnecessarily like if
you look at it, like they tell a black woman, yeah,
you can live in here, you can live in these

(56:17):
you could live in this house and only pay you
fifty bucks a month. Can't no man live with you?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Oh? No, that's how it is, you know, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
The child father can't live with you.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It's almost like, yes, man, if a woman gets on
section eight, you can't have a man living there or
you lose.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
And that's pretty much breaking up the whole family thing.
So you can assume him. Because does that mean if
you're married and having some financials you can't ask no help?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
No, you know you all married, you don't want that.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And I mean, bro, I've seen it to where dude
that lived in the house and but they was in the.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Final the situation.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
The dude set outside while she went in the county
building to get on the county got the benefits. She
signed off saying she don't know who the daddy is,
so ain't helping. Walk right back outside. He got in
the car and they drove off and with to Ronse
with the food stamp car. She had to give him
up on the inside in order to get the benefits.

(57:25):
She had to give away his runners.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
And they started.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
That's how they started going after the dads, because you know,
back then you could walk in, like you said, you
could walk into county. Young girl could be fifteen sixteen
walking the county building. Nigga, who's the fire I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Nigga walked out in there with food stamps on the same.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Day party got loaded, got fucked on. I don't know
who it was. It could have been C Bob Jabo
or whoever. I don't know who it was. Who's gonna
put her on the county give her some foods and
then they and then all of a sudden, they was like, oh,
we need that money back, so either you're gonna pay

(58:06):
or you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Get You're gonna give us a name.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
You're gonna give us somebody, give us a name, and
we're going after that nigga. And you'll be like, well
wait a minute, that's that's how this ship got cracking.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, and then you talk to your mom like.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Fucking moms because they wanted that money back. He just
read back, so either you're gonna give up the father
or we're gonna make you pay it back.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
And we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
And them girls was like ship, sorry, but to do it.
Next thing, you know, you're getting a letter in the mail.
That's exactly how it works.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
You're getting a letter. It's almost like they incentivevized black
woman dog. They do section and the reason I mentioned
like on the sex and night stuff because it seems
like section eight, uh, child support and what's the other stuff?

(59:09):
Because you know, even if a kid is going to preschool,
I think, and they don't have a father in the
house and stuff with that too, right, it's like the
incentivize all those things your child, the christal stairs. Yeah,
you get child killed money.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
M it's all tied in together. All of it falls
under the Social Security Act, all of it. That's where
child support comes from, the Social Security Act.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
They got a hell of a record. Like you said,
I never thought of it. How much is the business
worth every year? The business of charging people for kids?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
So for this year they got seven hundred and thirty
five million dollars. I can tell you the exact number.
It's it's they got seven hundred and thirty five million
dollars this year alone, just this year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Somebody eating boy. America's a hell of a con man. Ruh.
They ain't playing no games, a hell of a con man.
So how I can catch get at you, DJ? Because
I'm pretty sure we got it because you know, we
got a bunch of catch to listen to our show man.
So I'm pretty sure we got a bunch of people
that can use your services. And you can do this
all around the country.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Right, Oh yeah, most effluent and so everything is child
support the fraud. It's whether the child Support US fraud
on Instagram, YouTube, child supporters fraud dot com. It's all
the same. And what I would say to people dog
is educate yourself. Go child Supporters fraud dot com. You

(01:00:41):
going there to go buy something, but before you buy anything,
or you're thinking about buying something, you ain't got to
buy nothing. Go to child Supporters Fraud on Instagram. It's
over three thousand some videos on there are full of education.
Educate yourself, learn your right so you know how you
going to go in there and go talk to those
people that be everybody because you can get all the documents.

(01:01:05):
If you don't know how to go in there and
go talk to those people, they finna washed you. Yeah,
they gonna washed you up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
If you gonna do the research that you did and
going in hand and your business, you would have still been.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Paying No, most definitely, most definitely. And that's the thing, man,
You gotta know. Just learn their procedures.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Kept it real simple. Once you know the procedures, its
real simple. This is your procedure says that red and
blue makes green. Here's red, here's blue. Is that green? Okay,
keep it real simple. Let's not make this complicated. Did
you follow your own policy?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
And no. It says it has to be signed by
a judge. Is that person a judge? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Or no?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
It has to be under the seal of the court.
Is that Where do we see a seal?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Is it signed by the county clerk and not the
debuty clerk. No, it's real simple.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
It's crazy, you know. So if you're all out there,
if y'all having issues, man, yo, but my guy he
gets all said. You know what y'all fellas got going
for the fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Ship a damn thing. I'm going over to the mom's house.
So you told me that, Yeah, damn ship like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I usually stay at the crib, but I'm gonna go
ahead and get out tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You know, I'm gonna tell everybody to be careful. Man.
You know I don't go out in the fourth of
July for the simple reason it's fireworks man, that people
tend to have. Fourth of July New Year's. People usually
pick them nights, sometimes exact revenge. You know we're gonna
be out that night though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be back home before seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Before. Man, I'm in the house for Fourth of July
New Years Man, that's when people come out. You know,
I'm an get at this dude on this day because
you know I'll get away with it. Oh yeah, they
for sure, y'all have the same sport. Yeah, yes, sir. Well.

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