February 8, 2023 • 53 mins
Drew & Noah have some fun together talking the St. Mary's game & the slippery court along with Kyrie Irving being sent to Drew's Dallas Mavericks before being joined by Gonzaga legend, Dan Dickau.Throughout Ep 14, Dan takes listeners on an awesome Gonzaga Basketball history ride.Drew, Noah & Dan discuss:- Dan's success at Gonzaga- Dan on how Mark Few has changed- Crazy Dirk Nowitzki story- Relationship with Brian Scalabrine- Dan's favorite NBA teammates- John Stockton- Coaching with the Trailblazers- Path into broadcasting& more!
Hosts: Drew Timme & Noah Buono
Guest: Dan Dickau
Producer: Noah Buono
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following is a presentation of the College Athletes Network,
and he goes, hey, do you guys hear what happened
at dick Out last night? And the guys go know
what happened? He's like, we cut him. He broke Dirk's hand.
He's done. He's no longer part of the team. And
I'm like, I'm like just shrinking in the corner room
elevating or like, you gotta be kidding me? What's up? Everybody?
(00:39):
Welcome into episode fourteen and to give me Timmy podcast
with the best player in college basketball, the man himself,
Drew Timmy and myself Noah Buano. We're here on IR Radio,
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There's so many people in Gonzaga Nation that like, I
don't even know that this a podcast exists. I've had
people reach out and be like Oh, I'm a zag
fan from wherever, Like I just found this podcast. Remember
fourteen episodes in Man, we we gotta get this thing
(01:21):
um for zag fans. I don't know about it. You
got Drew Timmy on the mike every week, so it's
it's must watch TV even though you can. Um, alright,
so dope episode today, episode fourteen, we got a Gonzaga
basketball legend. I called him a couple of times during
the episode, the founding father of just like what Gonzaga is,
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because he really was at like the start of all
of this, the man himself, Dan Dicko. UM, really fun
time sitting down with him before we dive into that episode. Um,
and that interview with Dan, I want to hit on
just to St. Mary's game drew obviously tough one went
to overtime after you guys leading majority of the game.
(02:02):
You know that late second half half, Aidan Mahoney of St.
Mary's freshman guard was just I mean ridiculous and kind
of just took the game over. But what what what
do you think from your lens, just for listener's sake,
you know, give your perspective. What changed for you guys
late in that second half that allowed them to tie
it up, and then just like how overtime kind of
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you know, unwinded. Yeah, I mean, obviously we we played
really good defense. We we played I thought we played
really good the first thirty two thirty three minutes and
then obviously like he went unconscious Johnson hit the three.
I mean, and uh, you know, like we played solid defense.
Obviously we could have played a little bit better defense.
But I mean he had like he at the bank shot,
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he was hitting like outside the paint, running hooks, like
he just went unconscious, like you just one of those
things you kind of just have to tip your hat
like you know, it happens. He had held a game,
So I mean, they won, and um, I just got
to look forward to playing them when they come back here. Yeah,
it'll be crazy. In the kennel, I just thought it
was crazy, Like I was saying to you, but where
we got on the record, like he was terrible the
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whole game and I'm not trying to be a dick.
But then just like in a five minute span, this
guy turned into Luca Dansers out there. He's scoring, passing,
he's throwing no looks, he's wrapping around the defense like
he's banking in threes like, so, I mean, great game
for him, Like what a good I mean, that's that's
what great players do though. I mean, he's a really
good player. And you know, if they're cold, they're gonna
get hot at bench and they're gonna make shots. And
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that's what he did. So, I mean, well, one bad
thing for you guys too, is just that shitty floor.
And I know zag Nation was tweeting about it, and
I mean anybody watching the game could see it. It
was pretty bad. Just it looked musty in there, you
know TV. It just looked musty, Like, bro, you got
too many people up in here. You gotta turn the
temperature down and keep the floor right. It didn't look
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like I don't know, just yeah, I don't. I wouldn't
call that the safest environment to hoop in for either
team just because I mean, bros were slipping. I mean,
the floor just felt wet. You could like taste the
air like, you know, just like it kind of felt
like a junior high locker roompe But it's like it's
like third period, so like no one's really showering or nothing.
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They're just putting on their clothes and you know, getting
some ax body spray and like it's just like compounded
like a bunch of I don't know it was. I
hope I painted the picture of how just like I
was must buckety it was in there. I was thinking
locker room, bro, before you said it. I was like,
I hope he goes with like some dirty locker room
analogy because on TV it's just like I said, it
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looked musty out there, and I mean I it's a
place to play though that that place was rocking. They
always looked like a great and it was. It was
crazy environment. Yeah, but come on, man, the Division one
school in the WCC, get your get your court right bro.
Players players safety is most important. Come on man, it's
like a slipping slide out there. I felt like I
was like Hawaiian falls or something. Um. But yeah, I
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mean tough loss. You guys got a tough slate coming up.
We'll hit on those games again, you know as the
weeks go on, UM and the game's wrap up. But
got San Fran Thursday, b y U Saturday, two good
rematches UM coming up. But more importantly, we had Dan
dick out on like I mentioned, we just wrapped up
with him and you know, Drew, I I thought, like,
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I mean, I didn't really know what to expect, Like
I don't know him. Obviously, you have, like you know,
somewhat of a relationship with him, but like I was
just excited to hear like his perspective on the program
then verse now and kind of just what he offered
um within that and then just like what he added,
you know, he was he brought I love the nerdy
basketball stuff and he was just he added some of
(05:35):
that in there. He had a great Dirk Nowitzki story
that was so not expected. Dude. I mean, people hear that,
they're going to have the exact same reaction as me
and you. It was great. Yeah, no, I mean it's cool,
especially just because I haven't been able to really talk
to him about like just his career and everything, and
just seeing his you know, viewpoint of the program from
then when he played to how it is now and
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just kind of the evolution of things here and then
coming back and everything. It's he gives a lot of
cool things and even taught me a little history about
the program. So it was a a great interview that
we had. Yeah, he's he's a Gonzaga junkie man like
he played there and obviously he had his NBA career,
but he came pretty much right back with the broadcasting.
And I'm pretty sure he said he lives out in Washington, so, um,
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I know he's a West Coast guy. But yeah, he
just had a bunch of cool stuff that he was
talking about. Like, if you're a Gonzaga fan, this is
definitely a you know, and if you've been a Gonzaga
fan for a long time, I mean, you know, no
better Gonzaga podcast to listen to. Then something that has
two of the best players and program history talking to
each other. And then my corny ask jumping in every
once in a while. Uh, I gotta fit in somehow, man,
(06:38):
I gotta find I gotta pick my spots. Um. But
he he brought up the Dallas Mavericks, like a couple
of times you guys talked about the Cowboys, and you know,
because he kept bringing up the Mavericks. He said, he
played there for a little bit, um, and we're so
new on this news with the Kyrie thing, and you're
a Dallas guy, Like, talk to me, man, like Kyrie
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to the MAVs. Is that is that a needle mover?
Is that like, you guys win the West? What what
do you think of that? That's a let's fucking go,
That's what that is. I mean, come on, you gotta
you got a little too much Dallas bias to you, Bro.
I do. But when I heard about it at first,
I was like, they're both so ball dominant, Like how
is this really gonna work? You know? But the more
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I think about it, the more like Kyrie's played with Lebron,
who hasn't Kyrie played with that? Just stud? He's a
stud himself, you know, like he he always seems to
flourish with another star, and it will only help Luca,
especially just with all the double teams and attension he gets,
like double whoever you want. And then Christian Wood obviously
is like hell of a player too for him, I'm excited.
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I don't know if you're smelling what's in the air?
Do you smell that? I'm smelling Tylen right now? I
don't know, man, I will, I don't. I'm not saying
I want to be a hater towards it, but I
just feel like Kyrie track record, it doesn't scream like,
oh this is a massive needle mover that the Mavericks
here now the favorite to win the West. It doesn't
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it doesn't feel like they got significantly better. Something that
I'm curious to hear. What you think is, you know
they don't like you mentioned Kristen would but like, none
of those three guys are great defenders. You know you're
gonna score the piss out of the ball, but those dudes,
they ain't garden anybody. Well, it's wrong with Mike D'Antoni
man run and guns. That look that Rockets teams got
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burnt out miss threes in that game seven verse Golden State.
There was there's nothing they could do. Yeah, I mean,
I think if the Mavericks were able to get someone
like o g n and Obi or something like just
a really great defender but also just kind of like
an elite three D guy, like I think that would
be like then it wouldn't be a needle mover by itself,
but with Kyrie it would. It would be a needle mover.
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So because losing Finnish, losing Finnie Smith hurts, like that's
a three D guy that you just kind of just
you know, you parted ways with which hurts, and like Kyrie,
you know you're bringing up all he has the superstars,
he's played with, all these superstars, Like he's only been
good with Lebron. If we're if we're really diving into
the Kyrie thing, has he not like he won the
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chip with Lebron, He was bad with Tatum and Brown,
he didn't work out with Kevin Durant, James Harden. He's
had some he's had some stuff going on offside of
the court that maybe has impacted that. But I mean,
he's Kyrie Irving, and you want Kyrie Irving on your
team because he's Kyrie freaking and and and the reason
that I'm happy we're talking about this is because at
least one of us is happy. You know, my my
(09:30):
pitch was like, I'm I'm a Lebron stand. People that
listen to this podcast have probably heard me say that.
You did you hear that the Nets owners said we're
not trading to the Lakers? Dude? Yes, Like my the
pettiness behind that of just like, you know, we're just
deliberately not doing business with them, like Kyrie's preferred destination.
I don't I don't like that, Like I'm not gonna lie.
I don't care. I don't really care where he went,
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but uh that I know that you love Lebron so
much just to piss you off. I was kind of
happy to hear that. That That brought a smell to
my face. I'm just a a Noah hater, so that
warned my heart a little bit, just a tiny bit.
You know what sucks about this man is that, like,
for someone who supports you so much, you find every
way to be a hater on me. I don't get it.
(10:11):
I don't get it. I would love to pull up
the last episode and just hear the stuff coming out
of your mouth, and the people don't hear what goes
on before and after this podcast either. I'm supportive, but
I'm a hard critic. You think that's supportive, Yeah, you're
all right. I I just I that's fine. You can.
You can hate on me and my my love for
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Lebron and him wanting to get five, six, seven, eight
more rings. That would be cool, though I ain't gonna live.
That'd be super because I'm a Lebron fan too. Bros, Bros,
the goat what I'm saying. Drew Timmy claiming that stamping
that I'll stamp that. I think it's a toss up.
But I don't have to get to Lebron. I always say,
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Jordan Lebron one and two. I really don't care who
you have as you're one and two, it does not
make a difference to me. Like Jordan fans have their
wild rationales, Lebron fans also have their wild rationals. However,
if you really broke down the numbers and dissected everything
and then you look at it on a just a
pure basketball skill, who is the better basketball player take
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the titles out of it. It's Lebron. I think that.
But nobody wants to argue with numbers like that, Like
we just it's just fun to argue. Like if you
know what, if I'm if I'm with you, I'm just
gonna say MJ's the goat, just to piss you off.
If I m J fan, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Lebron's looking. I kind of like to start the pot
a little bit, but like I would say, like my goat,
it's gotta be lb J. Man. Yeah, I like to
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start the pot two, which is why I think it's funny.
I went dick Al's on here and you you say
something to him about the Cowboys. Um, because you sounded
like every Cowboys fan in the world, and I felt
bad for you in that moment. I was slightly embarrassed.
Did you did you hear me though? I said, I
know what I am and I'm not gonna change. Yeah,
but I know what I am. I know what I am.
Listen to me. I was slightly embarrassed for you because
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you Cowboy fans. Man, you guys are just delusional. It's alright,
weird super Bowl next year. It's been twenty eight years. Man, Hey,
do you know how many? That's why. That's why we're
some of the best fans in America, because no one
can get their heartbroken year in and year out and
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still love them as much as we do. That's true loyalty.
Most fans of jump Ship or something or I don't know,
be fans are like the Charlotte Bobcats or something. They
don't exist anymore. That's what I'm saying. Like, I stick
with them no matter what, and every year I'm gonna
be their biggest fan because I'm a true fan and
I and I love that about myself. I'm not gonna
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lie if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl like everyone
might have to take all my social media way and
every microphone away. I'm just waiting it could happen. In
a hundred years, I'll come back to life. Something. I
had a weird thing about the Cowboys this postseason. I
was like, I feel like, you know, they're playing the
Niners brock Purty third string, Like this could be the year,
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like Doc was amazing against Tampa Bay, and all I
was I was selfishly thinking, like, well, if they win,
if they went a Super Bowl, man, this podcast is
gonna be jumping, like it's strictly going to be a
Cowboys podcast, no more basketball. We would talk about the
Cowboys for an hour. We would dissect every movement all
the way down to the you know, the left guard
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on how he looked, just about I wouldn't even care.
I don't like the Cowboys, but I would have done.
It would have been great for the podcast. But you
know what, the Cowboys couldn't deliver for you, and they
couldn't deliver for however many more million people love them.
So you guys should just enjoy your summers and and
I don't know, maybe pick a new team. I don't know, man,
I never will I never will be able to unless
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unless someone I know, like really well goes on do
another team, or my son plays football for the for like,
no your sons. Whenever you do have a son, your
kid's gonna be a hooper. Um. Yeah, okay, we went
down the rabbit hole. I really love I love that.
That's okay. Let's go to a quick break. Man. We
got Dan Decoo coming up, Kyrie Irving on them as.
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Gonna be interesting to see how it works out. I'm
excited as a basketball fan. I'm disappointed he's not reunited
with Lebron, but that's okay. Um. Coming up after the break,
we got Gonzaga legend Dan dick Ow, So stay with us.
We'll be right back. All right, let's welcome in Gonzaga
legend Dan Dickau himself. It's only a matter of time.
We've got a former Gonzaga Bulldog legend on the show.
(14:27):
So Dan, what's up? Man? Thank you for coming on.
Appreciate it. Yeah, no worries. I appreciate you guys asking me, Uh, Drew,
I know you've got a million things going and uh
you can. You can ask a lot of guys. So
for a former Zag like myself to join. I appreciate it.
I know we've chatted many times in the past, but uh,
this will be the longest conversation I know we've had,
because usually it's in passing it practice or different. Yeah. Man,
(14:50):
thanks so much for coming on, but I gotta start
the show off with I heard you were talking some
ship on Thursday night about my Cowboys, but I wasn't
able to hear what you said, so I just wanted to.
I just wanted to hear what you had to say. Well,
you know, I'll be in full disclosure myself. As many
former Zags. You know, we all follow each other on
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on social media, and we know different guy's interests and
they different teams in sports. And I know you're a
huge Cowboys fan. Me personally, I don't have a dog
in the fight in the in the world of football.
I don't watch the NFL, I don't watch much college football.
But I know you're a Cowboys fan, and I know
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the Cowboys struggled this year, So I threw that out
there at you. So, uh, yeah, what what's your thoughts
on the Cowboys this year? Um, I'm the biggest Cowboy
fan in the world. Everyone's gonna know about it. I
think we're gonna win the Super Bowl every year, just
to be eight and eight, maybe win a playoff game. Uh,
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I'll be ignorant, but I know what I am at heart.
What what did you say during the broadcast about the Cowboys?
I think it was something along the lines towards the
second half of the Santa Clara game that I know
everyone in Spokane knows that Drew Timmy is a big
Cowboys fan, but unfortunately they're not going to make the
playoffs and they've had another Lacklusser performance or something along
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the man. If I would have heard that mid game,
I might have had to throw the ball at you
just accidentally or something. Crazier things have happened in the
countel before, that's for sure. Yeah, speaking of the Kennel man,
I want to kind of start us off with just
like you left Washington after your second year. You broke
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your heel that year, and then you actually entered transfer portal,
went to Gonzaga, spent three years there. I believe the
last two you were on the court. The first year
was a red shirt year. But just like kind of
skipping ahead through all that, Like, what what do you
think being at Gonzaga was the biggest catalyst that help
you just have so much success there. And do you
think like had you stayed at Washington or had you
transferred somewhere else, that the success would have been the same. Yeah. No,
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I mean I get that question all the time. And
and you know, I think Drew can attest to this
is whether he went to Gonzago or went he went
to one of the other schools that you know, we're
recruiting him heavily. You've got as a player, you've got
to have faith and belief in yourself that you're gonna
reach your ultimate goal of of playing professionally at the
NBA level. I thought that I would have a chance
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to my first two years, you know. Um. You know,
my freshman year at U doub we made the Sweet sixteen.
I was essentially one of three point guards. I played
twelve minutes of game as a freshman or a Sweet
six team team, which is great, um. But then my
sophomore year, I had broke my foot leading into the
sophomore year. I broke it again early in that sophomore year,
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about ten eleven games in UM, and I saw a
shift in what I wanted out of my career. Now,
I was able to transfer at the time, which was
not a normal thing, and things worked out unbelievably well
for me. But um, when you looked at when you
look in hindsight, do what I have been able to
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make in accomplished my goals and dreams at Washington? Probably not,
But I know for a fact I would have chased
him and I would have attacked him as much as
I could have. Yeah, speaking to your success just kind
of that Gonzaga, well, uh and just how you around
the program so much? Now, what would you say is, uh,
how few he's changed over the past twenty or so years.
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You know that that's a good one because uh so
when I decided so, first off, when I was in
high school, uh, playing AU, they were recruiting a couple
of guys that were on my AU team. Uh. You
probably know the name Richie from UM. He was on
my AU team. And then the following year, Casey Calvary,
who was one of the all time grades as well,
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had that tip into to get them to that first
Elite AID against Florida. He was on my AU team.
My high school teammates at Gordon, UM, you know we
were teammates in high school. He was part of that
original group he read shirted that year. Um, so I
always knew a lot about the Gonzaga program, even though
they weren't necessarily heavily recruiting me in high school. So
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I knew a lot about the program. Um Don Monson.
Dan Monson was the head coach at the time when
I decided to transfer. Monson was the head coach when
I just when I agreed to come to Gonzaga, he
was the head coach. But I knew from all the
guys Ritchie and Zach and Casey and all the guys
that if something were to happen and Monson were to
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take off for a better opportunity, few would take over.
And and I knew Coach Field a bit from him
recruiting those friends of mine, and he he recruited me
to a certain extent when when I was a high
school kid. But um, you know, Gonzaga really wasn't in
the picture much because Gonzaga wasn't Gonzaga at the time. UM,
And I would love to hear your take on that,
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because now when Gonzaga steps into a high school gym,
everybody takes notice. Back then that wasn't the case. Yeah,
I remember my first time when I think it's be Mike.
Was that one of my games. It was like, oh shit,
like this is Gonzag at my game, and like I
knew they, I knew they were coming to watch me play.
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I was like, oh god, I'm a big man. I'm
not a I'm not a traditional big man. I'm kind
of a skilled big man. Like, oh crap, like better,
I better not screw this game up, because you know
how much first impressions mean. But I just remember kind
of being like starstruck, and that was one of the
times when I was like, dang, I I guess I'm
pretty good at basketball. Gonzaga is coming to see me,
so like, it is pretty cool, especially nowadays when you
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do see g U out there and stuff, which I
which I can imagine. It's totally different when uh, you
were obviously playing well too to your fact, I mean,
you know, in me as a guard Drew. I hate
to I hate to admit this, but Gonzag has become
a big dominant program of sending guys to the NBA
and high level Europe. I mean even a guy like
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Patruise Ship. A couple of years ago. He was eas
borderline NBA. He's a EuroLeague kind of guy. You know,
we don't there aren't as many a guard's coming out
of the program that hit that high heat level. Is
is bigs. So they do a terrific job of evaluating
and then recruiting and then developing guys like yourself. But
you know, I remember specifically, you know, Coach Career who's
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now at Colorado as an assistant coach and coach few
recruitings at Gordon um my high school teammate who was
like the first version and take this the right way,
the first version of Drew Timmy with his footwork. You've
taken it to the pump teenth level, but he was
very similar with his footwork. Um uh and it it's
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it's been pretty cool to watch, even though I can't
wait till we have another high level point guard come
out of this program, even though Sugs and them hard
have been that the last couple of years. Dan who
how um like just the style of coach few from
when you had him, because really, like, based on what
I've done research wise, I think I was born around
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the time you got to Gonzaga, like played there, but
that was like the start of like the Gonzaga run coach,
if you got the job, you guys made the tournament
both your your last two years you played. I think
you made the sweet sixteen year junior year. So like
just the style though that you've seen from coach for
you along the way, like as a player. And then
now how much do you think it's changed from your lens?
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You know, I think the biggest thing that has changed is, um,
the offense. My my Retscher year and then even a
lot of my junior we we still ran flex offense,
so blocked to baseline, cutter screen downscreen, um, and we
would go, you know, uh, switch counters and then we
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ran a lot of uh you know, I guess some
people would call it block remover action, where myself for
Blake Step would be the guys that would be constantly
trying to come off the screens and create opportunities. UM.
Now there's a lot of that continuity ball screen, which
is that I think is tremendous because you know, if
you're a pick and roll guy, you get tons of options. Uh,
if you're a big again you can read situations like Drew,
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you can keep it on the dribble, handoff or you
can keep it uh and make it look like you're
throwing and going and picking roles and you can create
your own opportunities. Um. So I would have loved to
have played in the continuity ball screen stuff. But I
think the biggest constant with Coach Few offensively is the
high low actions that Drew and and Anton had been
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phenomenal at this year. Um, but also his best players,
the guys that he trusts and if he if you
know he trusts you, he gives you a lot of
leash and uh and and I think as a as
a player that is in that position, that only empowers
you to go out there and play with even more confidence. Yeah.
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I remember when I was on that tight, tight leash
my freshman year, and then I kind of got it
around the WCC tournament when I really he kind of
really trusted me. Uh when did that happen for you
with him? And is that really when you really took
off here when you played here? Yeah? You know so,
because I had to transfer when there was no immediate
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eligibility my whole red shirt year, I was trying to
prove it to Coach Few, like hey, I'm your guy,
because I knew that the following year coming in was
another great guard, Blake step Um, who ended up being
my backcourt mate for for two years. Before I was done.
I knew they were also recruiting uh McDonald's All American
at the time, Luke ridden Hour who went to Oregon,
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and oddly enough, had he come to Gonzaga, we would
have had an unbelievable three man backcourt of myself, Blake
step Luke ridden Hour Um. But you know, I think
that whole red shirt year of going against mass sant
Angelo Richie From who played in the NBA for three
or four years in high level Europe, wing against Matt
Mike Nelson, who was one of the best defenders in
program history UM and having approven in practice, you know,
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showed Coach Few that I was ready. UM. But I
think the very first exhibition game UM kind of solidified
it for Coach Few. I would think, because years ago
you could play exhibition games against these random teams. Now
you play against Eastern Oregon whoever it might be. Right,
we played against a cb A team at the time,
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which is essentially a G League team. We played the
Yakima sun Kings UM, and I think I had twenty
eight points in that exhibition game, and uh so right there,
I hadn't played a game in like sixteen months after
I broke my foot, practice you know, for over a year,
and then we go out and we play against a
pro team. I had twenty eight and I just kind
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of like felt a release, like Okay, I am good,
all the work I've put in, I'm ready to go
um And I don't know if there was a I
don't remember a conversation with Coach Few, but I'm pretty
sure at that point it was like, Okay, he's okay,
he's all right, We're good to go. Hey, Dan, who
in today's Zag's era, this Steers team, maybe guards from
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the last couple of years, who if any is beating
you in a shootout or who did you think maybe
had the best chance of like breaking your record at
one point, if anybody I know you said it's I mean,
obviously it's a fact what you said. But it's heavy,
heavy big man at Gonzaga now. But like obviously some
really good guards have ran through. There's anybody like Julian Strawther,
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even Recie Bolton from this year's team or past years
where you're like that guy could do it like and
if you had to shoot out, Like, are you taking
you over anybody? So we're talking straight shooting. Yeah, like
you you hold the record for Zags threes in a season.
I feel like, you know, is there anybody that could
have broke that record? Yeah? I mean put it this way,
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put it this way. Uh. Julian Stranger had a great
game in Portland, like a phenomenal game. Forty points right. Uh,
he had eight threes. I did that in one half.
I had nine threes and one half and the last
possession of the first half. And you could ask Drew
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Alex Hernandez is around the program occasionally. He lives in Spokane.
I hit a three and I just took off run
into the run in the locker room at halftime, and
I remember sitting in the bench and everybody starts running
in like talking about like, hey, you're on fire. Whatever.
I didn't. I took one shot in the second half.
I had thirty four points in the first half, hit
nine threes, game was under control. I just took I
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didn't shoot anymore. Fast forward, like what seven months later,
I'm a rookie in the NBA with the Atlanta Hawks
and Glenn Robinson, Big Dog, we were We've got practice
at l m U before we play the Lakers of
the Clippers. I can't remember we have shoot around or
practice the day before. Big Dog looks up in the
rafters and he's like, gow dang Dan, you guys played
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in this high school gym l m U. I'm like, yeah,
we we we played here last year. He goes, what
do you guys, what did you do to these guys
last year? How many did you score? I said I
had thirty four. He goes, thirty four. I would have
put fifty on these guys, I said, Dog, I had
thirty four in the first half. Fifty man, talk your ship.
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We know we know you were really you were the
real shooter. I I. You can't say anybody would beat
you like you gotta say yourself would win. I'm just curious.
I mean, Julian would say the same thing, right, But
you have to you have to believe in yourself. I
just think it's an interesting question because, like, you know,
you set the record what some years ago, like it
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probably won't be broken, like because you know you did
two full years there. I don't know. Most guards don't
stay in long enough and most guards aren't consistently hitting
eight threes and a half and then choosing not to
shoot in the second half just because they don't they
don't need to, Like you could have hit sixteen three.
It'll get broken at some point. I mean the name
of the game is threes and then touches for finishes
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like what Drew has and foul pressure. So it'll get
broken at some point. But I do wish that I
would have shoten a few more threes that game. Speaking
to that, how how much better do you or like,
how how many how many more threes you think would
make if you played on like today's zag Zag's team
for example, just with how much the game has changed. Well,
I mean that's a tough one because the emphasis I mean,
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with the broadcasting stuff that I do. I look at
Ken Palm analytics quite a bit. I look at the
emphasis on threes now versus back then. Um, you know,
there's a whole lot more three's taken now, and you
know I would imagine I would squeeze off a few
more each game. But at the same point, it's it's hindsight,
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like right, I mean, there there's no point in worrying
about it. Like some guys are gonna be good. Whatever
area you're in. You would have dominated in the early
two thousand's of one I played because if you and
I were teammates, I would have wanted to put you
in a pick and roll, get a switch, drop the
ball down to you, or just you know, just straight, Hey, Drew,
go down a block. I'm gonna throw at you and
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and see if you can create a double and get
me a shot. You know. So, I mean, the best
players are always going to get the best shots. I
think one of the things now just generally with basketball,
the game is played quicker, uh, and so there's more possessions,
so there's more opportunities with threes. How do you think
your game would have translated in today's era of the NBA, Like,
if you're an NBA player now, do you think you
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have a longer career? I mean it's hard to say.
I mean, I but just because of the dynamic of
like the spacing and how much the three point shot
is involved, and that was kind of what you're point
guard mentality was at the time. That was that was
a that was a strength of my game without a doubt,
you know, I mean, um, you know, every player has
to have a strength. That was my strength shooting the ball. Um.
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I think you know when you when you also think
about it, Um, you know the fact is there's more
possessions now, so there's more opportunities. Um. But you also
would have had to guard a little bit. I mean,
nowadays they would isolate guys even more than they did
back then. I remember an example in Drew's going I
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love this one because he's a Maverick fan. When my
rookie year, my rookie year with the with the Hawks,
we played against the Mavericks. Right, this was dirt. This
was Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Nick van Exel. Yeah, Don Nelson,
the head coach. I checked into the game. He isolated
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Nick van Exel on me. Now, I'm not joking you
probably six straight possessions, Uh, catch it on the on
the on the like freathro line extended at three point line.
Nick van Exels just backed me down until he got
what he wanted. I mean, if the game changes, so
most good players will adjust because they're just good enough,
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but some aren't able to. I would hope to think
that I would have been able to adjust. Yeah, changing
the change in the topic just to Tad. I'm curious
what was what was your favorite city to go to,
you know, maybe not for basketball, but just for some
fun with all the travel and y'all to do in
in college or in the NBA, n b A. You knows,
have fun in college as much, i'd say on the road.
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I mean, you know. The thing is is, UH, when
I always got the schedule, I looked at two things
when when I was gonna be uh on the West
coast because of the first couple of teams I was with,
or the first team I was with was Atlanta. So
when I when I would get back to the Portland
area to play the Blazers or Seattle, Um, you know,
and then you look at l A. L A is
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always a great city. And then you would look at
New York because you want to play in the in
the Madison Squart Garden, you wanna play against the Knicks.
So those were the two I always looked at. UM.
I wasn't a big nightlife guy, so I never really
went out much. UM, but UH, you know, Miami was
always fun because the weather is unbelievable and I got
a great uh Dirk Navinski story as well with with
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the Dallas Mavericks. That that that if we get to it, Drew,
you would enjoy it because I know you're you're a
Dallas guy. Well, let let it rip. Let let it rip.
I love hearing about Dirk h but not before we
get to our last break here, stay with us. You
can hear Dann story about Dirk, his time with Brian Scalabrini,
John Stockton, him getting into broadcasting, all coming up right
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when we come back. He is he is he your guy?
Was that the guy you looked up to obviously in
the Dallas area. Oh yeah, that's like my favorite basketball
player ever. That's my goat right there, best power forward
of all time. Hey, I don't disagree with you, Dirk,
Dirks and unbelievable guys spent. I was with the Mavericks
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for a short bit before I got traded, and uh,
um my claim to fame is I think Dirk and
I combined for forty three points on T n T
one night. Uh he had forty one of them. I
had to three. Um. But the night before, uh, the
night before the game, Uh, there was like six of
us that we're gonna go out to South Beach and
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grab dinner. It was me, Dirt, Jason Terry, Michael Finley,
Um the trainer, the strength coach, just a couple other guys.
And we had like three or four taxis that we're
gonna leave the hotel and go to the restaurant. So
Dirk and I are the last two guys that we're
gonna get on the in the taxi. And I'm like, Dirt,
you want the front or you want the back. It's
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a van taxi, right, Dirk goes, no, you go to
the front. I'll get them back because there's more leg room.
So I get in the front seat of the taxi
and I just closed the door, and all of a sudden,
I hear Dirt say, Dan opened the door. I'm like, what,
Dan opened the door. I'm like, what, Dan opened the door?
And so then I finally looked back over my right shoulder.
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I closed the door on his hand in the pillar
of the van. So he was climbing into the slider
opening of the van. He was he put his hand
on the pillar. I closed the door, slammed his fingers shut,
and his hands and I left back. I see his
fingers on the inside of the door and him standing
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outside of the van and his hands which is up
and opened up the door, and luckily the trainer was
standing right there because he was going to dinner with us.
And I sat there and dinner the rest of the
night like worried that my NBA career was over. Like
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so the next morning, I get on the on the
I get on the elevator, and Don Nelson obviously knew
what happened that previous night. He looks at me and
he winks, and he goes and he looks at like, uh,
one of the assistant coaches and another player, and he goes, hey,
do you guys hear what happened at dick out last night?
And the guys go know what happened? He's like, we
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cut him. He broke Dirk's hand. He's done. He's no
longer part of the team. And I'm like, I'm like
just shrinking in the corner of elevator, Like you gotta
be kidding me. Did you make a sence? You made
it sound like Dirk was like calm when he told
you to open the door. He was just like Dan
opened the door. He was he didn't react to like
you just slammed his hand shut. I mean, it's that
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German toughness, like he literally shoulder like Dan bro open
up the door. Hey, that's a that's a crazy story.
Oh my god, yeah you might. I would have been
shipping bricks too that I was gonna get cut um.
Speaking of, while we're on your NBA career, um, my
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last little question, I want to ask you about your
time in the NBA. Do you have a favorite teammate
either on the court, off the court, or both. Yeah.
You know, there's probably two guys that favorite teammate wise,
And you know, I think one of them would have
been in New Orleans where I really got a chance
to play a lot, and it was p J. Brown. Um.
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He was a very underrated, very undervalued player across the league,
but he was just a phenomenal player. Like you talk
about you want to screen set it at a certain angle,
and you talked to him once boom, it's done that
same way every single time. Uh. So he's a great player,
he's a great teammate. And the other one would have
been a guy that I'm sure Drew Um would have
got along well with because their personality was Brian Scalbready
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and Brian's a Washington guy, and I don't say that.
You know his personality wise, Brian was one of the
best personality guys I've ever been with. Um, he had
like a tenure career with the Nets and the Celtics.
Then then I think he finished with the bosses with
the Bulls. Um. He's a Washington guy. He's doing TV
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now with the Celtics. Talk about the funniest dude, one
of the funniest dudes I've ever been around. Scow was awesome. Yeah,
I was. I was gonna bring that up. I like
watching Celtic games on NBC Boston because he's the color
guy and he's just great to listen to. But yeah,
the White Mamba. So after practice every day it was Brian,
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myself and Gerald Green. We used to always play one
on one for like an hour every day after practice
and you couldn't find three different guys that would go
play one on one after practice. Gerald Green is a
Texas guy. You probably remember him, Drew. He was an
unbelievable athlete, like six eight. He put his head on
the room. Yeah he he ever dunked on you in
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a one on one or no, I mean he just had,
of course he did, But but I mean his his
balance was crazy. And then scal being a six ten guy, um,
you know, who just would talk enormous junk, back you down.
He gets a buck and he's gonna tell you anything.
And then myself, a six ft short guy who had
to rely on skill and shooting ability. I mean those three,
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you know, one on one game, those one on one
games between the three of us were epic. Guys like
Paul Pierce, you know, would sit over there and just
talk enormous junk to the three of us we were
playing after practice. Have you ever thought about opening your
gym up to anyone who wants the ones? Ever? Just
like he? How he did? You know? Have you seen
that video that he's done where you challenge all his
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trash talkers to come play him. Yeah, that's I've seen
that video with Scal and I've actually asked him about that,
and uh, he is so right, Like Scalabrini is closer
to Lebron James than the average fan or critic is
to Brian Scalabrinia not even up for debate. Yeah, and
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so you know now that you you you make that comment,
you know, maybe Drew after this season, we we we
put something together it's like a one on one showcase
of like whatever it is. I mean, former Zags, current
Zags who whatever, you know, play one on one for
charity or whatever against the local Joe Schmo. Because I
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don't think people realize just how good you have to
be to play at that college level, to excel at
the college level, like you to be at the next level,
like a guy like Scalbrini. Maybe maybe me and you
and someone else can get a little hoop fest team
going around and we can we can we can hop
in that. Dan, are you still healthy? Are you? Are
you active? You still playing at all? I don't play much.
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I mean I think the last time I really played
five on five was it uh John Stockton's open gym
runs at the Warehouse. Um, and I kept having a
nagging injury of like a pulled calf, so I just
kind of I haven't played in about a year. Um.
I miss it. I mean that's one thing that you know,
when you get to a certain point, it's been a
part of you for so long, and you don't do it,
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you miss it. Um. But most of my time in
the gym now was spent coaching. You know, one of
my two boys my My oldest son's a sophomore at
mounsepol Can they've got a chance to win the state title?
Uh here in Washington. Then, my youngest son is a
fourth grader who you know we're talking right now. I'm
upstairs at the gym. He's now stairs getting his shots up.
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So um yeah, I'm around it, but I don't play
too much anymore. But Drew, you men, let's pick a third,
let's go win hoopest I might join in on that one.
We definitely, we definitely would. That'd be fun. So who
would be your third? Would you want to go with
a former player? Just some random shmow off the streets?
Give me Andy, Let me be the random schmell. Yeah,
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we want to win. We don't want to lose. You
feel me. We're not going down this rabbit hole. Um hey,
I don't. I don't want to take us too far
off the deep end. But I and I this wasn't
part of the plan today, but you mentioned John Stockton, Dan,
and I kind of just want to ask you, like
what you think about just all the things that are
kind of going on with him and that vaccine stuff
and him not being like in the arena at all.
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It's just like his you know, strong opinion on all that,
Like do you have an opinion on the other side
at all? Just being you know, such a hardcore zad guy.
You know, John has set the bar for Gonzaga players
as far as the blueprint for work ethic, taking care
of your body and getting ready to play, to put
yourself in the best light to be ready to play
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at your highest level as well as uh to help
your team win. Um And John has been amazing at
that setting that blueprint for years. Um and And he's
been a tremendous role model to me when I was
growing up and I looked up to him, he's a
tremendous role model now, um and and that's kind of
where I'll leave it at. I mean, he's he's a
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he's a friend. I love what he's doing. I think
he's an amazing role model. Yeah. Now he's a great dude.
I mean he's helped me a lot, his sons one
of my best friends. Like, great dude. And hopefully you
can get back to the game soon because it's awesome
every time he's there, just because you want to play
in front of the best like Zaga player ever. Which
is pretty cool, especially with the career he had. But
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changing topics a little bit, dan Um, after your career,
you were a player development coach for the Trailblazers and
then you went into broadcasting. What kind of shifted your
shifted your career path from coaching maybe going deeper into
that route instead choosing broadcasting. Yeah. So you know, all
players when they're done, I mean, you want to stay
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around the game, or at least most guys. And I
didn't know if I wanted to coach or if I
wanted to be in broadcasting. Uh. You know, I was
in the Portland area and the Blazers gave me an
opportunity to be a player development coach during um, you know,
the the lockout season. So because the lockout happened, I
couldn't start on the coaching staff. UM, they couldn't hire me,
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So I started on the broadcasting path. That was the
first year UM. I did the broadcasting with Greg Hiser
and Richard Fox, and that's why we have a three
man booth. We started it then for the regional games
and we continued it on now UM and and so
that's kind of how that became. Once the lockout ended,
I had to honor my commitments with the Blazers and
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go on the player development staff. UM. And so that's
that's why I coached that year about three quarters of
the year through UM. Of the way through that season,
Nate McMillan got fired UM, and then Caleb Canalis finished
that season, and Caleb and myself were the only guys
that went through the whole pre draft process working guys
out UM and helping the front office during that period
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and coaching summer League. So I had a tremendous amount
of experience. But when the new head coaching regime with
Terry Stotts came in, I wasn't I wasn't kept. And
so at that point I moved to Spokane and I
put my focus on broadcasting. But I loved coaching. It
was it was awesome, UM. It was something that kept
you close to the game. The only problem with coaching
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is when the game's over, you watching film when the
broadcast is over. All I'm worried about is did I
screw up and saying a player's name, or did I
screw up and saying Drew Timmy's Dallas Cowboys are no good?
I guess since you're you're speaking of some screw ups.
We got to address the all time zag starting five
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that you brought up on the broadcast, if you wanna,
just for listeners sake, and I don't. I wasn't listening
to the broadcast, so I didn't hear the exact five
you gave. You did come back and tweet some clarification,
little brain fog, but can you just break us break
that down for us, give us the one you originally
stated on the broadcast, and then I guess you're updated
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zags all time starting five, which is a hard list
to give. I mean, yeah, I mean Drew coul probably
attest to this. His starting five is probably gonna change
next week and then again the week after. And then
we got and that's kind of the way mine's gonna change.
You know. The producer of the of the broadcast the
morning of like, hey, give me your give me your
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all time mark five, mark fugh starting five. And so
I just rattled off five guys and then like three
guys to go on the bench, not thinking anything of it,
and you know, I've kind of prepared my thoughts or whatnot.
And then once once we once that graphic popped up
on screen, I'm like, oh my god, I left off
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How do I leave right across from you too? How
do I leave off Adam Morrison, the player of the year.
He's a friend of mine, you know, obviously he's around
the program all the time. He's an unbelievable player, He's
a good guy. How did I leave him off? Um?
You know, but I do think I think each of
the guys that I picked have credibility. Blake step was tremendous. Uh,
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Corey Kissberg showed growth throughout his whole career. Part of
a Final four team Chad Homegren. You know, as good
as as the team was last year, he was a
big part of it. Plus you know, just the whole
aura of of a guy rated that highly came to Gonzaga.
That's a big piece to me. You know, Drew, he's
about to be the second all time leading score. More
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than likely he's gonna be the all time leading score.
I don't think you can leave through off that list.
And to me, Demontis, I mean he does everything that
you want a big to do. So, um, I you
could add Brandon Clark to that list. You could add
uh killing antillity to that list. Jalen sucks that list, Nemhart.
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You know, there's so many different directions and angles you
can go. Yeah, that's fair. It's such a hard there's
so many options. You can't really be faulted. You right
to please everyone, no matter who you put in there.
And that's why I like literally, like I put the
tweet out shortly after It's like, dude, I made a mistake.
It was a brain fart. But again, like literally it's
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gonna change next week, Like Drew, give me, give me
your top file and put you on the perfect another day.
He'll say, if we can say it for another day,
I'll go real quick, give I'll put I'll put Morrison,
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I'll put you, I'll put it. To do that now. No,
you were like the first one like to go the
league and like really like you were like the first
one that like you're like on the route Mount Rushmore.
I think, so you you go in there. I think
Corey just at least playing with him and like what
he did, like you talked about how John Stockton is
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a blueprint for you, Corey was one for me. So
y'all three then I would agree with at and then
I'm not as familiar with the older Zags. But I
would even put maybe like Kelly O. Lennock just because
I liked his game a lot. That was a hard
one for me. When I realized I left Kelly off,
I was like, dude, how did I leave him off? Too? Yeah,
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I would probably say like Kelly, and then maybe even
maybe I guess, only because Chat was technically here for
one year, like he can't really be on I guess,
and maybe like Sa Bonus. Those are probably my five
that I would I would say, yeah, Chat was. Chat
was the probably the hardest one because like you said,
he was a one year guy. But that shows you
the evolution of the program, like you you can have
some one year guys now where years ago, I mean,
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you didn't have that problem in Gonzaga. Yeah. UM, kind
of wrapping us up though, Like with what you're saying,
you know, there's there's just so many great Gonzaga players.
There's I think Coach Fuse coached over twenty five guys
that have touched the NBA at some point. Um, and
you know, I know we've touched on your perspective on
just like how the game has changed, how Coach Fuse changed,
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But just you as like a founding father of like
this Gonzaga culture and this like dynasty that coach few
have started, and you were like right at the forefront
start of it. Like what it's been like for you
as that former Gonzaga star just to watch Drew and
specific obviously since we're on the Gimme Timmy pod, like
you know, and have the career he's had over the
last three and a half years, knowing that you're someone
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that also had very similar great career, Like what it's
been like for you to watch, Like, I don't know,
maybe you have a favorite game of yours that you
called the Drew's Um or just a favorite Drew Timmy
story that would be interesting for listeners. Yeah, you know,
I don't think there's any one particular game. I think
the one thing that I've been, uh, you know, most
impressed with with Drew is and I talked a little
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bit about it when I picked a kisser like the
progression right. Um, the first time I was at a
practice and I saw Drew um, I was I was
impressed with his four That's one of the first things
that probably everybody talks about UM. But then you've seen
like the evolution of Hey, a big guy has a
great footwork. They seal they know how to duck in,
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they know how to get to their drop step. But
then early in their freshman year they go from that
when you see him at practice, to then being able
to use that footwork and the spacing to be able
to create more opportunities. And his freshman year, you know,
he was playing behind Patrucia, if I'm not mistaken, um,
and you saw his growth from early till late and
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just getting better and better and better. And then finally
that sophomore year, you know he kind of starts to
get some free rein um where he can duck in
and and he can post in the middle of the lane,
and he's got more time and space and more leash,
like we talked about with coach fe to hang in
there for a second and call for the ball. And
when he gets the ball, he delivers more times than not.
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And as as he shows that he can deliver more
times than not, he becomes a more focal point of
the offense and and evolves from just duck ins to
now picking rolls too high lows, two short roles where
you get him the ball, the ball and movement. Um
uh and then you know where he goes into dribble
handoff situations and he can keep it when he wants,
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you know, um, and you know he's just showing a
complete uh skill set from day one where it continues
to layer things to his game. Now, I know people
people have negatives on my game. Defensively, they had limitations
on different things, and and people are always gonna put
different limitations on people's games. And I'm sure Drew is
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aware of limitations that others on the outside and put
on his game. But you don't let that impact and
change how you can positively impact the game. And he's
continued to refine the way that he can impact the
game and be a monster on those type of things.
And then and so I don't think there's any one
particular thing, but there's a there's a growth over his
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career that I've seen that I've been impressed with. What
a what a nice compliment. You know, we get guests
on here that the guests drew up and I gotta
be the guy that turns around humbles his ass and
just you know, so so humbling. What is it? No, no, no,
I was I give him his daily doses ship before
and after the podcast about his free throws and you know,
(52:14):
smoking some easy, easy chippies around the rim. But you
guys are all so nice to him, So I'm just
I'm always on the other end like one because I
know I called the game on CBS on Thursday. He
missed a point blank layup. He got the rebound, and
then he made the layup and I think he got fouled.
So patting your stats like Daryl Docks the stats, that's
my dad's favorite basketball terminology. Patch of staffs. Get that
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double double as quick as possible that you don't have
to worry about the rebounds anymore. Yeah. Well I got
to those nine threes early. I guess I haven't my
should have had it to it right. Yeah, Hey Dan,
this was this was a great time. Glad we were
able to get a former ZAC. And I think we're
gonna have to go get out of Morrison on now
and have him respond to your little h all time blemish. No,
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I'm kidding, but it's funny because right after the game
I went over and I said, hey, Mo, your phone
is probably blowing up. If it hasn't yet, it will be.
So here's the deal. I apologize I screwed up big time. Yeah. No,
it's hilarious. But I'm I'm glad we were able to
get get you on the pod. I know, I've said
it before, just like you were really a part of
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the start of the Gonzaga thing, so you know, and
what coach fu has done there, um, so it's only
right that we had you on first. So yeah, man,
appreciate it. Yeah, thanks so much, Dan, We appreciate you absolutely,
thanks for having me. This has been a presentation of
the College Athletes Network
The following is a presentation of the College Athletes Network,
and he goes, hey, do you guys hear what happened
at dick Out last night? And the guys go know
what happened? He's like, we cut him. He broke Dirk's hand.
He's done. He's no longer part of the team. And
I'm like, I'm like just shrinking in the corner room
elevating or like, you gotta be kidding me? What's up? Everybody?
(00:39):
Welcome into episode fourteen and to give me Timmy podcast
with the best player in college basketball, the man himself,
Drew Timmy and myself Noah Buano. We're here on IR Radio,
College Athletes Network. What's up, Big Sexy? How we living?
What's good? Man? You know? Thankful for you guys for
keeping us on the air. We really love the podcast.
We also would love you know, if you want to
get that extra cupid arrow, write a write a review,
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leave a star, share that thing, you know, any thing
you want to do to interact with that. We love it. Facts.
There's so many people in Gonzaga Nation that like, I
don't even know that this a podcast exists. I've had
people reach out and be like Oh, I'm a zag
fan from wherever, Like I just found this podcast. Remember
fourteen episodes in Man, we we gotta get this thing
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um for zag fans. I don't know about it. You
got Drew Timmy on the mike every week, so it's
it's must watch TV even though you can. Um, alright,
so dope episode today, episode fourteen, we got a Gonzaga
basketball legend. I called him a couple of times during
the episode, the founding father of just like what Gonzaga is,
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because he really was at like the start of all
of this, the man himself, Dan Dicko. UM, really fun
time sitting down with him before we dive into that episode. Um,
and that interview with Dan, I want to hit on
just to St. Mary's game drew obviously tough one went
to overtime after you guys leading majority of the game.
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You know that late second half half, Aidan Mahoney of St.
Mary's freshman guard was just I mean ridiculous and kind
of just took the game over. But what what what
do you think from your lens, just for listener's sake,
you know, give your perspective. What changed for you guys
late in that second half that allowed them to tie
it up, and then just like how overtime kind of
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you know, unwinded. Yeah, I mean, obviously we we played
really good defense. We we played I thought we played
really good the first thirty two thirty three minutes and
then obviously like he went unconscious Johnson hit the three.
I mean, and uh, you know, like we played solid defense.
Obviously we could have played a little bit better defense.
But I mean he had like he at the bank shot,
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he was hitting like outside the paint, running hooks, like
he just went unconscious, like you just one of those
things you kind of just have to tip your hat
like you know, it happens. He had held a game,
So I mean, they won, and um, I just got
to look forward to playing them when they come back here. Yeah,
it'll be crazy. In the kennel, I just thought it
was crazy, Like I was saying to you, but where
we got on the record, like he was terrible the
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whole game and I'm not trying to be a dick.
But then just like in a five minute span, this
guy turned into Luca Dansers out there. He's scoring, passing,
he's throwing no looks, he's wrapping around the defense like
he's banking in threes like, so, I mean, great game
for him, Like what a good I mean, that's that's
what great players do though. I mean, he's a really
good player. And you know, if they're cold, they're gonna
get hot at bench and they're gonna make shots. And
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that's what he did. So, I mean, well, one bad
thing for you guys too, is just that shitty floor.
And I know zag Nation was tweeting about it, and
I mean anybody watching the game could see it. It
was pretty bad. Just it looked musty in there, you
know TV. It just looked musty, Like, bro, you got
too many people up in here. You gotta turn the
temperature down and keep the floor right. It didn't look
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like I don't know, just yeah, I don't. I wouldn't
call that the safest environment to hoop in for either
team just because I mean, bros were slipping. I mean,
the floor just felt wet. You could like taste the
air like, you know, just like it kind of felt
like a junior high locker roompe But it's like it's
like third period, so like no one's really showering or nothing.
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They're just putting on their clothes and you know, getting
some ax body spray and like it's just like compounded
like a bunch of I don't know it was. I
hope I painted the picture of how just like I
was must buckety it was in there. I was thinking
locker room, bro, before you said it. I was like,
I hope he goes with like some dirty locker room
analogy because on TV it's just like I said, it
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looked musty out there, and I mean I it's a
place to play though that that place was rocking. They
always looked like a great and it was. It was
crazy environment. Yeah, but come on, man, the Division one
school in the WCC, get your get your court right bro.
Players players safety is most important. Come on man, it's
like a slipping slide out there. I felt like I
was like Hawaiian falls or something. Um. But yeah, I
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mean tough loss. You guys got a tough slate coming up.
We'll hit on those games again, you know as the
weeks go on, UM and the game's wrap up. But
got San Fran Thursday, b y U Saturday, two good
rematches UM coming up. But more importantly, we had Dan
dick out on like I mentioned, we just wrapped up
with him and you know, Drew, I I thought, like,
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I mean, I didn't really know what to expect, Like
I don't know him. Obviously, you have, like you know,
somewhat of a relationship with him, but like I was
just excited to hear like his perspective on the program
then verse now and kind of just what he offered
um within that and then just like what he added,
you know, he was he brought I love the nerdy
basketball stuff and he was just he added some of
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that in there. He had a great Dirk Nowitzki story
that was so not expected. Dude. I mean, people hear that,
they're going to have the exact same reaction as me
and you. It was great. Yeah, no, I mean it's cool,
especially just because I haven't been able to really talk
to him about like just his career and everything, and
just seeing his you know, viewpoint of the program from
then when he played to how it is now and
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just kind of the evolution of things here and then
coming back and everything. It's he gives a lot of
cool things and even taught me a little history about
the program. So it was a a great interview that
we had. Yeah, he's he's a Gonzaga junkie man like
he played there and obviously he had his NBA career,
but he came pretty much right back with the broadcasting.
And I'm pretty sure he said he lives out in Washington, so, um,
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I know he's a West Coast guy. But yeah, he
just had a bunch of cool stuff that he was
talking about. Like, if you're a Gonzaga fan, this is
definitely a you know, and if you've been a Gonzaga
fan for a long time, I mean, you know, no
better Gonzaga podcast to listen to. Then something that has
two of the best players and program history talking to
each other. And then my corny ask jumping in every
once in a while. Uh, I gotta fit in somehow, man,
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I gotta find I gotta pick my spots. Um. But
he he brought up the Dallas Mavericks, like a couple
of times you guys talked about the Cowboys, and you know,
because he kept bringing up the Mavericks. He said, he
played there for a little bit, um, and we're so
new on this news with the Kyrie thing, and you're
a Dallas guy, Like, talk to me, man, like Kyrie
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to the MAVs. Is that is that a needle mover?
Is that like, you guys win the West? What what
do you think of that? That's a let's fucking go,
That's what that is. I mean, come on, you gotta
you got a little too much Dallas bias to you, Bro.
I do. But when I heard about it at first,
I was like, they're both so ball dominant, Like how
is this really gonna work? You know? But the more
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I think about it, the more like Kyrie's played with Lebron,
who hasn't Kyrie played with that? Just stud? He's a
stud himself, you know, like he he always seems to
flourish with another star, and it will only help Luca,
especially just with all the double teams and attension he gets,
like double whoever you want. And then Christian Wood obviously
is like hell of a player too for him, I'm excited.
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I don't know if you're smelling what's in the air?
Do you smell that? I'm smelling Tylen right now? I
don't know, man, I will, I don't. I'm not saying
I want to be a hater towards it, but I
just feel like Kyrie track record, it doesn't scream like,
oh this is a massive needle mover that the Mavericks
here now the favorite to win the West. It doesn't
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it doesn't feel like they got significantly better. Something that
I'm curious to hear. What you think is, you know
they don't like you mentioned Kristen would but like, none
of those three guys are great defenders. You know you're
gonna score the piss out of the ball, but those dudes,
they ain't garden anybody. Well, it's wrong with Mike D'Antoni
man run and guns. That look that Rockets teams got
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burnt out miss threes in that game seven verse Golden State.
There was there's nothing they could do. Yeah, I mean,
I think if the Mavericks were able to get someone
like o g n and Obi or something like just
a really great defender but also just kind of like
an elite three D guy, like I think that would
be like then it wouldn't be a needle mover by itself,
but with Kyrie it would. It would be a needle mover.
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So because losing Finnish, losing Finnie Smith hurts, like that's
a three D guy that you just kind of just
you know, you parted ways with which hurts, and like Kyrie,
you know you're bringing up all he has the superstars,
he's played with, all these superstars, Like he's only been
good with Lebron. If we're if we're really diving into
the Kyrie thing, has he not like he won the
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chip with Lebron, He was bad with Tatum and Brown,
he didn't work out with Kevin Durant, James Harden. He's
had some he's had some stuff going on offside of
the court that maybe has impacted that. But I mean,
he's Kyrie Irving, and you want Kyrie Irving on your
team because he's Kyrie freaking and and and the reason
that I'm happy we're talking about this is because at
least one of us is happy. You know, my my
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pitch was like, I'm I'm a Lebron stand. People that
listen to this podcast have probably heard me say that.
You did you hear that the Nets owners said we're
not trading to the Lakers? Dude? Yes, Like my the
pettiness behind that of just like, you know, we're just
deliberately not doing business with them, like Kyrie's preferred destination.
I don't I don't like that, Like I'm not gonna lie.
I don't care. I don't really care where he went,
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but uh that I know that you love Lebron so
much just to piss you off. I was kind of
happy to hear that. That That brought a smell to
my face. I'm just a a Noah hater, so that
warned my heart a little bit, just a tiny bit.
You know what sucks about this man is that, like,
for someone who supports you so much, you find every
way to be a hater on me. I don't get it.
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I don't get it. I would love to pull up
the last episode and just hear the stuff coming out
of your mouth, and the people don't hear what goes
on before and after this podcast either. I'm supportive, but
I'm a hard critic. You think that's supportive, Yeah, you're
all right. I I just I that's fine. You can.
You can hate on me and my my love for
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Lebron and him wanting to get five, six, seven, eight
more rings. That would be cool, though I ain't gonna live.
That'd be super because I'm a Lebron fan too. Bros, Bros,
the goat what I'm saying. Drew Timmy claiming that stamping
that I'll stamp that. I think it's a toss up.
But I don't have to get to Lebron. I always say,
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Jordan Lebron one and two. I really don't care who
you have as you're one and two, it does not
make a difference to me. Like Jordan fans have their
wild rationales, Lebron fans also have their wild rationals. However,
if you really broke down the numbers and dissected everything
and then you look at it on a just a
pure basketball skill, who is the better basketball player take
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the titles out of it. It's Lebron. I think that.
But nobody wants to argue with numbers like that, Like
we just it's just fun to argue. Like if you
know what, if I'm if I'm with you, I'm just
gonna say MJ's the goat, just to piss you off.
If I m J fan, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Lebron's looking. I kind of like to start the pot
a little bit, but like I would say, like my goat,
it's gotta be lb J. Man. Yeah, I like to
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start the pot two, which is why I think it's funny.
I went dick Al's on here and you you say
something to him about the Cowboys. Um, because you sounded
like every Cowboys fan in the world, and I felt
bad for you in that moment. I was slightly embarrassed.
Did you did you hear me though? I said, I
know what I am and I'm not gonna change. Yeah,
but I know what I am. I know what I am.
Listen to me. I was slightly embarrassed for you because
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you Cowboy fans. Man, you guys are just delusional. It's alright,
weird super Bowl next year. It's been twenty eight years. Man, Hey,
do you know how many? That's why. That's why we're
some of the best fans in America, because no one
can get their heartbroken year in and year out and
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still love them as much as we do. That's true loyalty.
Most fans of jump Ship or something or I don't know,
be fans are like the Charlotte Bobcats or something. They
don't exist anymore. That's what I'm saying. Like, I stick
with them no matter what, and every year I'm gonna
be their biggest fan because I'm a true fan and
I and I love that about myself. I'm not gonna
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lie if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl like everyone
might have to take all my social media way and
every microphone away. I'm just waiting it could happen. In
a hundred years, I'll come back to life. Something. I
had a weird thing about the Cowboys this postseason. I
was like, I feel like, you know, they're playing the
Niners brock Purty third string, Like this could be the year,
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like Doc was amazing against Tampa Bay, and all I
was I was selfishly thinking, like, well, if they win,
if they went a Super Bowl, man, this podcast is
gonna be jumping, like it's strictly going to be a
Cowboys podcast, no more basketball. We would talk about the
Cowboys for an hour. We would dissect every movement all
the way down to the you know, the left guard
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on how he looked, just about I wouldn't even care.
I don't like the Cowboys, but I would have done.
It would have been great for the podcast. But you
know what, the Cowboys couldn't deliver for you, and they
couldn't deliver for however many more million people love them.
So you guys should just enjoy your summers and and
I don't know, maybe pick a new team. I don't know, man,
I never will I never will be able to unless
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unless someone I know, like really well goes on do
another team, or my son plays football for the for like,
no your sons. Whenever you do have a son, your
kid's gonna be a hooper. Um. Yeah, okay, we went
down the rabbit hole. I really love I love that.
That's okay. Let's go to a quick break. Man. We
got Dan Decoo coming up, Kyrie Irving on them as.
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Gonna be interesting to see how it works out. I'm
excited as a basketball fan. I'm disappointed he's not reunited
with Lebron, but that's okay. Um. Coming up after the break,
we got Gonzaga legend Dan dick Ow, So stay with us.
We'll be right back. All right, let's welcome in Gonzaga
legend Dan Dickau himself. It's only a matter of time.
We've got a former Gonzaga Bulldog legend on the show.
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So Dan, what's up? Man? Thank you for coming on.
Appreciate it. Yeah, no worries. I appreciate you guys asking me, Uh, Drew,
I know you've got a million things going and uh
you can. You can ask a lot of guys. So
for a former Zag like myself to join. I appreciate it.
I know we've chatted many times in the past, but uh,
this will be the longest conversation I know we've had,
because usually it's in passing it practice or different. Yeah. Man,
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thanks so much for coming on, but I gotta start
the show off with I heard you were talking some
ship on Thursday night about my Cowboys, but I wasn't
able to hear what you said, so I just wanted to.
I just wanted to hear what you had to say. Well,
you know, I'll be in full disclosure myself. As many
former Zags. You know, we all follow each other on
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on social media, and we know different guy's interests and
they different teams in sports. And I know you're a
huge Cowboys fan. Me personally, I don't have a dog
in the fight in the in the world of football.
I don't watch the NFL, I don't watch much college football.
But I know you're a Cowboys fan, and I know
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the Cowboys struggled this year, So I threw that out
there at you. So, uh, yeah, what what's your thoughts
on the Cowboys this year? Um, I'm the biggest Cowboy
fan in the world. Everyone's gonna know about it. I
think we're gonna win the Super Bowl every year, just
to be eight and eight, maybe win a playoff game. Uh,
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I'll be ignorant, but I know what I am at heart.
What what did you say during the broadcast about the Cowboys?
I think it was something along the lines towards the
second half of the Santa Clara game that I know
everyone in Spokane knows that Drew Timmy is a big
Cowboys fan, but unfortunately they're not going to make the
playoffs and they've had another Lacklusser performance or something along
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the man. If I would have heard that mid game,
I might have had to throw the ball at you
just accidentally or something. Crazier things have happened in the
countel before, that's for sure. Yeah, speaking of the Kennel man,
I want to kind of start us off with just
like you left Washington after your second year. You broke
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your heel that year, and then you actually entered transfer portal,
went to Gonzaga, spent three years there. I believe the
last two you were on the court. The first year
was a red shirt year. But just like kind of
skipping ahead through all that, Like, what what do you
think being at Gonzaga was the biggest catalyst that help
you just have so much success there. And do you
think like had you stayed at Washington or had you
transferred somewhere else, that the success would have been the same. Yeah. No,
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I mean I get that question all the time. And
and you know, I think Drew can attest to this
is whether he went to Gonzago or went he went
to one of the other schools that you know, we're
recruiting him heavily. You've got as a player, you've got
to have faith and belief in yourself that you're gonna
reach your ultimate goal of of playing professionally at the
NBA level. I thought that I would have a chance
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to my first two years, you know. Um. You know,
my freshman year at U doub we made the Sweet sixteen.
I was essentially one of three point guards. I played
twelve minutes of game as a freshman or a Sweet
six team team, which is great, um. But then my
sophomore year, I had broke my foot leading into the
sophomore year. I broke it again early in that sophomore year,
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about ten eleven games in UM, and I saw a
shift in what I wanted out of my career. Now,
I was able to transfer at the time, which was
not a normal thing, and things worked out unbelievably well
for me. But um, when you looked at when you
look in hindsight, do what I have been able to
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make in accomplished my goals and dreams at Washington? Probably not,
But I know for a fact I would have chased
him and I would have attacked him as much as
I could have. Yeah, speaking to your success just kind
of that Gonzaga, well, uh and just how you around
the program so much? Now, what would you say is, uh,
how few he's changed over the past twenty or so years.
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You know that that's a good one because uh so
when I decided so, first off, when I was in
high school, uh, playing AU, they were recruiting a couple
of guys that were on my AU team. Uh. You
probably know the name Richie from UM. He was on
my AU team. And then the following year, Casey Calvary,
who was one of the all time grades as well,
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had that tip into to get them to that first
Elite AID against Florida. He was on my AU team.
My high school teammates at Gordon, UM, you know we
were teammates in high school. He was part of that
original group he read shirted that year. Um, so I
always knew a lot about the Gonzaga program, even though
they weren't necessarily heavily recruiting me in high school. So
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I knew a lot about the program. Um Don Monson.
Dan Monson was the head coach at the time when
I decided to transfer. Monson was the head coach when
I just when I agreed to come to Gonzaga, he
was the head coach. But I knew from all the
guys Ritchie and Zach and Casey and all the guys
that if something were to happen and Monson were to
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take off for a better opportunity, few would take over.
And and I knew Coach Field a bit from him
recruiting those friends of mine, and he he recruited me
to a certain extent when when I was a high
school kid. But um, you know, Gonzaga really wasn't in
the picture much because Gonzaga wasn't Gonzaga at the time. UM,
And I would love to hear your take on that,
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because now when Gonzaga steps into a high school gym,
everybody takes notice. Back then that wasn't the case. Yeah,
I remember my first time when I think it's be Mike.
Was that one of my games. It was like, oh shit,
like this is Gonzag at my game, and like I
knew they, I knew they were coming to watch me play.
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I was like, oh god, I'm a big man. I'm
not a I'm not a traditional big man. I'm kind
of a skilled big man. Like, oh crap, like better,
I better not screw this game up, because you know
how much first impressions mean. But I just remember kind
of being like starstruck, and that was one of the
times when I was like, dang, I I guess I'm
pretty good at basketball. Gonzaga is coming to see me,
so like, it is pretty cool, especially nowadays when you
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do see g U out there and stuff, which I
which I can imagine. It's totally different when uh, you
were obviously playing well too to your fact, I mean,
you know, in me as a guard Drew. I hate
to I hate to admit this, but Gonzag has become
a big dominant program of sending guys to the NBA
and high level Europe. I mean even a guy like
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Patruise Ship. A couple of years ago. He was eas
borderline NBA. He's a EuroLeague kind of guy. You know,
we don't there aren't as many a guard's coming out
of the program that hit that high heat level. Is
is bigs. So they do a terrific job of evaluating
and then recruiting and then developing guys like yourself. But
you know, I remember specifically, you know, Coach Career who's
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now at Colorado as an assistant coach and coach few
recruitings at Gordon um my high school teammate who was
like the first version and take this the right way,
the first version of Drew Timmy with his footwork. You've
taken it to the pump teenth level, but he was
very similar with his footwork. Um uh and it it's
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it's been pretty cool to watch, even though I can't
wait till we have another high level point guard come
out of this program, even though Sugs and them hard
have been that the last couple of years. Dan who
how um like just the style of coach few from
when you had him, because really, like, based on what
I've done research wise, I think I was born around
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the time you got to Gonzaga, like played there, but
that was like the start of like the Gonzaga run coach,
if you got the job, you guys made the tournament
both your your last two years you played. I think
you made the sweet sixteen year junior year. So like
just the style though that you've seen from coach for
you along the way, like as a player. And then
now how much do you think it's changed from your lens?
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You know, I think the biggest thing that has changed is, um,
the offense. My my Retscher year and then even a
lot of my junior we we still ran flex offense,
so blocked to baseline, cutter screen downscreen, um, and we
would go, you know, uh, switch counters and then we
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ran a lot of uh you know, I guess some
people would call it block remover action, where myself for
Blake Step would be the guys that would be constantly
trying to come off the screens and create opportunities. UM.
Now there's a lot of that continuity ball screen, which
is that I think is tremendous because you know, if
you're a pick and roll guy, you get tons of options. Uh,
if you're a big again you can read situations like Drew,
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you can keep it on the dribble, handoff or you
can keep it uh and make it look like you're
throwing and going and picking roles and you can create
your own opportunities. Um. So I would have loved to
have played in the continuity ball screen stuff. But I
think the biggest constant with Coach Few offensively is the
high low actions that Drew and and Anton had been
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phenomenal at this year. Um, but also his best players,
the guys that he trusts and if he if you
know he trusts you, he gives you a lot of
leash and uh and and I think as a as
a player that is in that position, that only empowers
you to go out there and play with even more confidence. Yeah.
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I remember when I was on that tight, tight leash
my freshman year, and then I kind of got it
around the WCC tournament when I really he kind of
really trusted me. Uh when did that happen for you
with him? And is that really when you really took
off here when you played here? Yeah? You know so,
because I had to transfer when there was no immediate
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eligibility my whole red shirt year, I was trying to
prove it to Coach Few, like hey, I'm your guy,
because I knew that the following year coming in was
another great guard, Blake step Um, who ended up being
my backcourt mate for for two years. Before I was done.
I knew they were also recruiting uh McDonald's All American
at the time, Luke ridden Hour who went to Oregon,
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and oddly enough, had he come to Gonzaga, we would
have had an unbelievable three man backcourt of myself, Blake
step Luke ridden Hour Um. But you know, I think
that whole red shirt year of going against mass sant
Angelo Richie From who played in the NBA for three
or four years in high level Europe, wing against Matt
Mike Nelson, who was one of the best defenders in
program history UM and having approven in practice, you know,
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showed Coach Few that I was ready. UM. But I
think the very first exhibition game UM kind of solidified
it for Coach Few. I would think, because years ago
you could play exhibition games against these random teams. Now
you play against Eastern Oregon whoever it might be. Right,
we played against a cb A team at the time,
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which is essentially a G League team. We played the
Yakima sun Kings UM, and I think I had twenty
eight points in that exhibition game, and uh so right there,
I hadn't played a game in like sixteen months after
I broke my foot, practice you know, for over a year,
and then we go out and we play against a
pro team. I had twenty eight and I just kind
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of like felt a release, like Okay, I am good,
all the work I've put in, I'm ready to go
um And I don't know if there was a I
don't remember a conversation with Coach Few, but I'm pretty
sure at that point it was like, Okay, he's okay,
he's all right, We're good to go. Hey, Dan, who
in today's Zag's era, this Steers team, maybe guards from
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the last couple of years, who if any is beating
you in a shootout or who did you think maybe
had the best chance of like breaking your record at
one point, if anybody I know you said it's I mean,
obviously it's a fact what you said. But it's heavy,
heavy big man at Gonzaga now. But like obviously some
really good guards have ran through. There's anybody like Julian Strawther,
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even Recie Bolton from this year's team or past years
where you're like that guy could do it like and
if you had to shoot out, Like, are you taking
you over anybody? So we're talking straight shooting. Yeah, like
you you hold the record for Zags threes in a season.
I feel like, you know, is there anybody that could
have broke that record? Yeah? I mean put it this way,
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put it this way. Uh. Julian Stranger had a great
game in Portland, like a phenomenal game. Forty points right. Uh,
he had eight threes. I did that in one half.
I had nine threes and one half and the last
possession of the first half. And you could ask Drew
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Alex Hernandez is around the program occasionally. He lives in Spokane.
I hit a three and I just took off run
into the run in the locker room at halftime, and
I remember sitting in the bench and everybody starts running
in like talking about like, hey, you're on fire. Whatever.
I didn't. I took one shot in the second half.
I had thirty four points in the first half, hit
nine threes, game was under control. I just took I
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didn't shoot anymore. Fast forward, like what seven months later,
I'm a rookie in the NBA with the Atlanta Hawks
and Glenn Robinson, Big Dog, we were We've got practice
at l m U before we play the Lakers of
the Clippers. I can't remember we have shoot around or
practice the day before. Big Dog looks up in the
rafters and he's like, gow dang Dan, you guys played
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in this high school gym l m U. I'm like, yeah,
we we we played here last year. He goes, what
do you guys, what did you do to these guys
last year? How many did you score? I said I
had thirty four. He goes, thirty four. I would have
put fifty on these guys, I said, Dog, I had
thirty four in the first half. Fifty man, talk your ship.
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We know we know you were really you were the
real shooter. I I. You can't say anybody would beat
you like you gotta say yourself would win. I'm just curious.
I mean, Julian would say the same thing, right, But
you have to you have to believe in yourself. I
just think it's an interesting question because, like, you know,
you set the record what some years ago, like it
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probably won't be broken, like because you know you did
two full years there. I don't know. Most guards don't
stay in long enough and most guards aren't consistently hitting
eight threes and a half and then choosing not to
shoot in the second half just because they don't they
don't need to, Like you could have hit sixteen three.
It'll get broken at some point. I mean the name
of the game is threes and then touches for finishes
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like what Drew has and foul pressure. So it'll get
broken at some point. But I do wish that I
would have shoten a few more threes that game. Speaking
to that, how how much better do you or like,
how how many how many more threes you think would
make if you played on like today's zag Zag's team
for example, just with how much the game has changed. Well,
I mean that's a tough one because the emphasis I mean,
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with the broadcasting stuff that I do. I look at
Ken Palm analytics quite a bit. I look at the
emphasis on threes now versus back then. Um, you know,
there's a whole lot more three's taken now, and you
know I would imagine I would squeeze off a few
more each game. But at the same point, it's it's hindsight,
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like right, I mean, there there's no point in worrying
about it. Like some guys are gonna be good. Whatever
area you're in. You would have dominated in the early
two thousand's of one I played because if you and
I were teammates, I would have wanted to put you
in a pick and roll, get a switch, drop the
ball down to you, or just you know, just straight, Hey, Drew,
go down a block. I'm gonna throw at you and
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and see if you can create a double and get
me a shot. You know. So, I mean, the best
players are always going to get the best shots. I
think one of the things now just generally with basketball,
the game is played quicker, uh, and so there's more possessions,
so there's more opportunities with threes. How do you think
your game would have translated in today's era of the NBA, Like,
if you're an NBA player now, do you think you
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have a longer career? I mean it's hard to say.
I mean, I but just because of the dynamic of
like the spacing and how much the three point shot
is involved, and that was kind of what you're point
guard mentality was at the time. That was that was
a that was a strength of my game without a doubt,
you know, I mean, um, you know, every player has
to have a strength. That was my strength shooting the ball. Um.
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I think you know when you when you also think
about it, Um, you know the fact is there's more
possessions now, so there's more opportunities. Um. But you also
would have had to guard a little bit. I mean,
nowadays they would isolate guys even more than they did
back then. I remember an example in Drew's going I
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love this one because he's a Maverick fan. When my
rookie year, my rookie year with the with the Hawks,
we played against the Mavericks. Right, this was dirt. This
was Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Nick van Exel. Yeah, Don Nelson,
the head coach. I checked into the game. He isolated
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Nick van Exel on me. Now, I'm not joking you
probably six straight possessions, Uh, catch it on the on
the on the like freathro line extended at three point line.
Nick van Exels just backed me down until he got
what he wanted. I mean, if the game changes, so
most good players will adjust because they're just good enough,
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but some aren't able to. I would hope to think
that I would have been able to adjust. Yeah, changing
the change in the topic just to Tad. I'm curious
what was what was your favorite city to go to,
you know, maybe not for basketball, but just for some
fun with all the travel and y'all to do in
in college or in the NBA, n b A. You knows,
have fun in college as much, i'd say on the road.
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I mean, you know. The thing is is, UH, when
I always got the schedule, I looked at two things
when when I was gonna be uh on the West
coast because of the first couple of teams I was with,
or the first team I was with was Atlanta. So
when I when I would get back to the Portland
area to play the Blazers or Seattle, Um, you know,
and then you look at l A. L A is
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always a great city. And then you would look at
New York because you want to play in the in
the Madison Squart Garden, you wanna play against the Knicks.
So those were the two I always looked at. UM.
I wasn't a big nightlife guy, so I never really
went out much. UM, but UH, you know, Miami was
always fun because the weather is unbelievable and I got
a great uh Dirk Navinski story as well with with
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the Dallas Mavericks. That that that if we get to it, Drew,
you would enjoy it because I know you're you're a
Dallas guy. Well, let let it rip. Let let it rip.
I love hearing about Dirk h but not before we
get to our last break here, stay with us. You
can hear Dann story about Dirk, his time with Brian Scalabrini,
John Stockton, him getting into broadcasting, all coming up right
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when we come back. He is he is he your guy?
Was that the guy you looked up to obviously in
the Dallas area. Oh yeah, that's like my favorite basketball
player ever. That's my goat right there, best power forward
of all time. Hey, I don't disagree with you, Dirk,
Dirks and unbelievable guys spent. I was with the Mavericks
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for a short bit before I got traded, and uh,
um my claim to fame is I think Dirk and
I combined for forty three points on T n T
one night. Uh he had forty one of them. I
had to three. Um. But the night before, uh, the
night before the game, Uh, there was like six of
us that we're gonna go out to South Beach and
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grab dinner. It was me, Dirt, Jason Terry, Michael Finley,
Um the trainer, the strength coach, just a couple other guys.
And we had like three or four taxis that we're
gonna leave the hotel and go to the restaurant. So
Dirk and I are the last two guys that we're
gonna get on the in the taxi. And I'm like, Dirt,
you want the front or you want the back. It's
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a van taxi, right, Dirk goes, no, you go to
the front. I'll get them back because there's more leg room.
So I get in the front seat of the taxi
and I just closed the door, and all of a sudden,
I hear Dirt say, Dan opened the door. I'm like, what,
Dan opened the door. I'm like, what, Dan opened the door?
And so then I finally looked back over my right shoulder.
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I closed the door on his hand in the pillar
of the van. So he was climbing into the slider
opening of the van. He was he put his hand
on the pillar. I closed the door, slammed his fingers shut,
and his hands and I left back. I see his
fingers on the inside of the door and him standing
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outside of the van and his hands which is up
and opened up the door, and luckily the trainer was
standing right there because he was going to dinner with us.
And I sat there and dinner the rest of the
night like worried that my NBA career was over. Like
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so the next morning, I get on the on the
I get on the elevator, and Don Nelson obviously knew
what happened that previous night. He looks at me and
he winks, and he goes and he looks at like, uh,
one of the assistant coaches and another player, and he goes, hey,
do you guys hear what happened at dick out last night?
And the guys go know what happened? He's like, we
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cut him. He broke Dirk's hand. He's done. He's no
longer part of the team. And I'm like, I'm like
just shrinking in the corner of elevator, Like you gotta
be kidding me. Did you make a sence? You made
it sound like Dirk was like calm when he told
you to open the door. He was just like Dan
opened the door. He was he didn't react to like
you just slammed his hand shut. I mean, it's that
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German toughness, like he literally shoulder like Dan bro open
up the door. Hey, that's a that's a crazy story.
Oh my god, yeah you might. I would have been
shipping bricks too that I was gonna get cut um.
Speaking of, while we're on your NBA career, um, my
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last little question, I want to ask you about your
time in the NBA. Do you have a favorite teammate
either on the court, off the court, or both. Yeah.
You know, there's probably two guys that favorite teammate wise,
And you know, I think one of them would have
been in New Orleans where I really got a chance
to play a lot, and it was p J. Brown. Um.
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He was a very underrated, very undervalued player across the league,
but he was just a phenomenal player. Like you talk
about you want to screen set it at a certain angle,
and you talked to him once boom, it's done that
same way every single time. Uh. So he's a great player,
he's a great teammate. And the other one would have
been a guy that I'm sure Drew Um would have
got along well with because their personality was Brian Scalbready
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and Brian's a Washington guy, and I don't say that.
You know his personality wise, Brian was one of the
best personality guys I've ever been with. Um, he had
like a tenure career with the Nets and the Celtics.
Then then I think he finished with the bosses with
the Bulls. Um. He's a Washington guy. He's doing TV
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now with the Celtics. Talk about the funniest dude, one
of the funniest dudes I've ever been around. Scow was awesome. Yeah,
I was. I was gonna bring that up. I like
watching Celtic games on NBC Boston because he's the color
guy and he's just great to listen to. But yeah,
the White Mamba. So after practice every day it was Brian,
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myself and Gerald Green. We used to always play one
on one for like an hour every day after practice
and you couldn't find three different guys that would go
play one on one after practice. Gerald Green is a
Texas guy. You probably remember him, Drew. He was an
unbelievable athlete, like six eight. He put his head on
the room. Yeah he he ever dunked on you in
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a one on one or no, I mean he just had,
of course he did, But but I mean his his
balance was crazy. And then scal being a six ten guy, um,
you know, who just would talk enormous junk, back you down.
He gets a buck and he's gonna tell you anything.
And then myself, a six ft short guy who had
to rely on skill and shooting ability. I mean those three,
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you know, one on one game, those one on one
games between the three of us were epic. Guys like
Paul Pierce, you know, would sit over there and just
talk enormous junk to the three of us we were
playing after practice. Have you ever thought about opening your
gym up to anyone who wants the ones? Ever? Just
like he? How he did? You know? Have you seen
that video that he's done where you challenge all his
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trash talkers to come play him. Yeah, that's I've seen
that video with Scal and I've actually asked him about that,
and uh, he is so right, Like Scalabrini is closer
to Lebron James than the average fan or critic is
to Brian Scalabrinia not even up for debate. Yeah, and
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so you know now that you you you make that comment,
you know, maybe Drew after this season, we we we
put something together it's like a one on one showcase
of like whatever it is. I mean, former Zags, current
Zags who whatever, you know, play one on one for
charity or whatever against the local Joe Schmo. Because I
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don't think people realize just how good you have to
be to play at that college level, to excel at
the college level, like you to be at the next level,
like a guy like Scalbrini. Maybe maybe me and you
and someone else can get a little hoop fest team
going around and we can we can we can hop
in that. Dan, are you still healthy? Are you? Are
you active? You still playing at all? I don't play much.
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I mean I think the last time I really played
five on five was it uh John Stockton's open gym
runs at the Warehouse. Um, and I kept having a
nagging injury of like a pulled calf, so I just
kind of I haven't played in about a year. Um.
I miss it. I mean that's one thing that you know,
when you get to a certain point, it's been a
part of you for so long, and you don't do it,
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you miss it. Um. But most of my time in
the gym now was spent coaching. You know, one of
my two boys my My oldest son's a sophomore at
mounsepol Can they've got a chance to win the state title?
Uh here in Washington. Then, my youngest son is a
fourth grader who you know we're talking right now. I'm
upstairs at the gym. He's now stairs getting his shots up.
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So um yeah, I'm around it, but I don't play
too much anymore. But Drew, you men, let's pick a third,
let's go win hoopest I might join in on that one.
We definitely, we definitely would. That'd be fun. So who
would be your third? Would you want to go with
a former player? Just some random shmow off the streets?
Give me Andy, Let me be the random schmell. Yeah,
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we want to win. We don't want to lose. You
feel me. We're not going down this rabbit hole. Um hey,
I don't. I don't want to take us too far
off the deep end. But I and I this wasn't
part of the plan today, but you mentioned John Stockton, Dan,
and I kind of just want to ask you, like
what you think about just all the things that are
kind of going on with him and that vaccine stuff
and him not being like in the arena at all.
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It's just like his you know, strong opinion on all that,
Like do you have an opinion on the other side
at all? Just being you know, such a hardcore zad guy.
You know, John has set the bar for Gonzaga players
as far as the blueprint for work ethic, taking care
of your body and getting ready to play, to put
yourself in the best light to be ready to play
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at your highest level as well as uh to help
your team win. Um And John has been amazing at
that setting that blueprint for years. Um and And he's
been a tremendous role model to me when I was
growing up and I looked up to him, he's a
tremendous role model now, um and and that's kind of
where I'll leave it at. I mean, he's he's a
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he's a friend. I love what he's doing. I think
he's an amazing role model. Yeah. Now he's a great dude.
I mean he's helped me a lot, his sons one
of my best friends. Like, great dude. And hopefully you
can get back to the game soon because it's awesome
every time he's there, just because you want to play
in front of the best like Zaga player ever. Which
is pretty cool, especially with the career he had. But
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changing topics a little bit, dan Um, after your career,
you were a player development coach for the Trailblazers and
then you went into broadcasting. What kind of shifted your
shifted your career path from coaching maybe going deeper into
that route instead choosing broadcasting. Yeah. So you know, all
players when they're done, I mean, you want to stay
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around the game, or at least most guys. And I
didn't know if I wanted to coach or if I
wanted to be in broadcasting. Uh. You know, I was
in the Portland area and the Blazers gave me an
opportunity to be a player development coach during um, you know,
the the lockout season. So because the lockout happened, I
couldn't start on the coaching staff. UM, they couldn't hire me,
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So I started on the broadcasting path. That was the
first year UM. I did the broadcasting with Greg Hiser
and Richard Fox, and that's why we have a three
man booth. We started it then for the regional games
and we continued it on now UM and and so
that's kind of how that became. Once the lockout ended,
I had to honor my commitments with the Blazers and
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go on the player development staff. UM. And so that's
that's why I coached that year about three quarters of
the year through UM. Of the way through that season,
Nate McMillan got fired UM, and then Caleb Canalis finished
that season, and Caleb and myself were the only guys
that went through the whole pre draft process working guys
out UM and helping the front office during that period
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and coaching summer League. So I had a tremendous amount
of experience. But when the new head coaching regime with
Terry Stotts came in, I wasn't I wasn't kept. And
so at that point I moved to Spokane and I
put my focus on broadcasting. But I loved coaching. It
was it was awesome, UM. It was something that kept
you close to the game. The only problem with coaching
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is when the game's over, you watching film when the
broadcast is over. All I'm worried about is did I
screw up and saying a player's name, or did I
screw up and saying Drew Timmy's Dallas Cowboys are no good?
I guess since you're you're speaking of some screw ups.
We got to address the all time zag starting five
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that you brought up on the broadcast, if you wanna,
just for listeners sake, and I don't. I wasn't listening
to the broadcast, so I didn't hear the exact five
you gave. You did come back and tweet some clarification,
little brain fog, but can you just break us break
that down for us, give us the one you originally
stated on the broadcast, and then I guess you're updated
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zags all time starting five, which is a hard list
to give. I mean, yeah, I mean Drew coul probably
attest to this. His starting five is probably gonna change
next week and then again the week after. And then
we got and that's kind of the way mine's gonna change.
You know. The producer of the of the broadcast the
morning of like, hey, give me your give me your
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all time mark five, mark fugh starting five. And so
I just rattled off five guys and then like three
guys to go on the bench, not thinking anything of it,
and you know, I've kind of prepared my thoughts or whatnot.
And then once once we once that graphic popped up
on screen, I'm like, oh my god, I left off
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How do I leave right across from you too? How
do I leave off Adam Morrison, the player of the year.
He's a friend of mine, you know, obviously he's around
the program all the time. He's an unbelievable player, He's
a good guy. How did I leave him off? Um?
You know, but I do think I think each of
the guys that I picked have credibility. Blake step was tremendous. Uh,
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Corey Kissberg showed growth throughout his whole career. Part of
a Final four team Chad Homegren. You know, as good
as as the team was last year, he was a
big part of it. Plus you know, just the whole
aura of of a guy rated that highly came to Gonzaga.
That's a big piece to me. You know, Drew, he's
about to be the second all time leading score. More
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than likely he's gonna be the all time leading score.
I don't think you can leave through off that list.
And to me, Demontis, I mean he does everything that
you want a big to do. So, um, I you
could add Brandon Clark to that list. You could add
uh killing antillity to that list. Jalen sucks that list, Nemhart.
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You know, there's so many different directions and angles you
can go. Yeah, that's fair. It's such a hard there's
so many options. You can't really be faulted. You right
to please everyone, no matter who you put in there.
And that's why I like literally, like I put the
tweet out shortly after It's like, dude, I made a mistake.
It was a brain fart. But again, like literally it's
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gonna change next week, Like Drew, give me, give me
your top file and put you on the perfect another day.
He'll say, if we can say it for another day,
I'll go real quick, give I'll put I'll put Morrison,
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I'll put you, I'll put it. To do that now. No,
you were like the first one like to go the
league and like really like you were like the first
one that like you're like on the route Mount Rushmore.
I think, so you you go in there. I think
Corey just at least playing with him and like what
he did, like you talked about how John Stockton is
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a blueprint for you, Corey was one for me. So
y'all three then I would agree with at and then
I'm not as familiar with the older Zags. But I
would even put maybe like Kelly O. Lennock just because
I liked his game a lot. That was a hard
one for me. When I realized I left Kelly off,
I was like, dude, how did I leave him off? Too? Yeah,
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I would probably say like Kelly, and then maybe even
maybe I guess, only because Chat was technically here for
one year, like he can't really be on I guess,
and maybe like Sa Bonus. Those are probably my five
that I would I would say, yeah, Chat was. Chat
was the probably the hardest one because like you said,
he was a one year guy. But that shows you
the evolution of the program, like you you can have
some one year guys now where years ago, I mean,
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you didn't have that problem in Gonzaga. Yeah. UM, kind
of wrapping us up though, Like with what you're saying,
you know, there's there's just so many great Gonzaga players.
There's I think Coach Fuse coached over twenty five guys
that have touched the NBA at some point. Um, and
you know, I know we've touched on your perspective on
just like how the game has changed, how Coach Fuse changed,
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But just you as like a founding father of like
this Gonzaga culture and this like dynasty that coach few
have started, and you were like right at the forefront
start of it. Like what it's been like for you
as that former Gonzaga star just to watch Drew and
specific obviously since we're on the Gimme Timmy pod, like
you know, and have the career he's had over the
last three and a half years, knowing that you're someone
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that also had very similar great career, Like what it's
been like for you to watch, Like, I don't know,
maybe you have a favorite game of yours that you
called the Drew's Um or just a favorite Drew Timmy
story that would be interesting for listeners. Yeah, you know,
I don't think there's any one particular game. I think
the one thing that I've been, uh, you know, most
impressed with with Drew is and I talked a little
(49:44):
bit about it when I picked a kisser like the
progression right. Um, the first time I was at a
practice and I saw Drew um, I was I was
impressed with his four That's one of the first things
that probably everybody talks about UM. But then you've seen
like the evolution of Hey, a big guy has a
great footwork. They seal they know how to duck in,
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they know how to get to their drop step. But
then early in their freshman year they go from that
when you see him at practice, to then being able
to use that footwork and the spacing to be able
to create more opportunities. And his freshman year, you know,
he was playing behind Patrucia, if I'm not mistaken, um,
and you saw his growth from early till late and
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just getting better and better and better. And then finally
that sophomore year, you know he kind of starts to
get some free rein um where he can duck in
and and he can post in the middle of the lane,
and he's got more time and space and more leash,
like we talked about with coach fe to hang in
there for a second and call for the ball. And
when he gets the ball, he delivers more times than not.
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And as as he shows that he can deliver more
times than not, he becomes a more focal point of
the offense and and evolves from just duck ins to
now picking rolls too high lows, two short roles where
you get him the ball, the ball and movement. Um
uh and then you know where he goes into dribble
handoff situations and he can keep it when he wants,
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you know, um, and you know he's just showing a
complete uh skill set from day one where it continues
to layer things to his game. Now, I know people
people have negatives on my game. Defensively, they had limitations
on different things, and and people are always gonna put
different limitations on people's games. And I'm sure Drew is
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aware of limitations that others on the outside and put
on his game. But you don't let that impact and
change how you can positively impact the game. And he's
continued to refine the way that he can impact the
game and be a monster on those type of things.
And then and so I don't think there's any one
particular thing, but there's a there's a growth over his
(51:54):
career that I've seen that I've been impressed with. What
a what a nice compliment. You know, we get guests
on here that the guests drew up and I gotta
be the guy that turns around humbles his ass and
just you know, so so humbling. What is it? No, no, no,
I was I give him his daily doses ship before
and after the podcast about his free throws and you know,
(52:14):
smoking some easy, easy chippies around the rim. But you
guys are all so nice to him, So I'm just
I'm always on the other end like one because I
know I called the game on CBS on Thursday. He
missed a point blank layup. He got the rebound, and
then he made the layup and I think he got fouled.
So patting your stats like Daryl Docks the stats, that's
my dad's favorite basketball terminology. Patch of staffs. Get that
(52:37):
double double as quick as possible that you don't have
to worry about the rebounds anymore. Yeah. Well I got
to those nine threes early. I guess I haven't my
should have had it to it right. Yeah, Hey Dan,
this was this was a great time. Glad we were
able to get a former ZAC. And I think we're
gonna have to go get out of Morrison on now
and have him respond to your little h all time blemish. No,
(52:59):
I'm kidding, but it's funny because right after the game
I went over and I said, hey, Mo, your phone
is probably blowing up. If it hasn't yet, it will be.
So here's the deal. I apologize I screwed up big time. Yeah. No,
it's hilarious. But I'm I'm glad we were able to
get get you on the pod. I know, I've said
it before, just like you were really a part of
(53:20):
the start of the Gonzaga thing, so you know, and
what coach fu has done there, um, so it's only
right that we had you on first. So yeah, man,
appreciate it. Yeah, thanks so much, Dan, We appreciate you absolutely,
thanks for having me. This has been a presentation of
the College Athletes Network
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