March 14, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode, Chris Finn is joined by Sara Davis as they discuss the intersection of golf and fitness, exploring Sara's unique journey from gymnastics to becoming a golf instructor. They delve into the importance of physical fitness in improving golf performance, the challenges faced by golfers in maintaining strength and mobility, and the significance of personalized training plans. The conversation highlights the need for golfers to understand their bodies, assess their physical limitations, and embrace a holistic approach to fitness and instruction.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host,
Chris Finn, and today we have a special guest in studio,
Sarah Davis, the lead golf instructor at Keewa Island aka
Heaven on Earth as I refer to it. Sarah was
up in town getting herself evaluated, working on her body,
and she actually was about to leave. Funny, I just
kind of like ran down the hall and I was like, hey, wait,
(00:31):
we should do a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So here we are, so welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So it's not often that I get to have people
in studio. Usually we do it via zoom or whatever,
so it's always a treat. But I think one of
the coolest things, just as I was kind of getting
some of the download from from Will and some other guys,
is just you have a fitness background. You've actually done
TPI level one. I'd love to just, you know, for
you to share with listeners and me, like just your
golf story, like how did you get started in golf?
(00:57):
And then not every golf instruction sure for those who
don't know, apparently you worked in a gym too, I did. Yeah,
if you were committed to the fitness side necessary things. Yeah,
how do we end up here? Yea, how do we
end up here?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So golf stories kind of different. Was a gymnast from
two to fourteen. Then I started playing softball, got pretty
serious into volleyball as a middle schooler, so volleyball was
my thing. I played club high school, ended up going
to playing college, and then upon college, we got a
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football team that the school didn't properly budget for. I
was in broadcasting and I was interviewing one of our
men's players on the golf team. It like rumor had
kind of floated around campus that scholarships were going to
be pulled. So of course I'm like, well, I went
to a private university which was really expensive. So I
made a joke to a golfer about joining the golf team,
and he's like, yeah, the women's team. They had five
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girls that were all going to graduate at the same time.
We were a title nine university, so they needed a
women's and so he's like, so you should joined the
golf team, and I'm like, do you understand I've never
played golf. So I leave and I'm like, don't even
like think about the idea. The next day, the volleyball
coach calls me and he's like, you should join the
golf team. And I'm like what. So then the next
(02:13):
day the golf coach calls and he's like, I'll give
you your money if you want to join the team.
So this is like three days and I'm like, guys,
I've never played golf. Does anyone understand this? So I
joined the golf team. And so I had only played
golf probably three times, nine holes with my parents recreationally.
Didn't own golf clubs, like, didn't grow up at a
country club, didn't know the whole lifestyle. But needless to say,
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I fell in love my first tournament. So my first
tournament was my first time playing eighteen holes.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean got asked, what'd you shoot? It's nice? Yet
you broke one forty I had two pars. It is
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And I didn't know what I was doing at all.
I had started taking lessons, so I kind of soort
anew but I was just out there having fun. And
then COVID hit all sports shut down. So this is
like a year and a half later, and we had
a tournament at our home course and I won and
So that's where it was kind of like, Okay, I
think God's kind of pulling on me to take this
next step with golf. And I remember driving home and
(03:08):
I was like, how a feeling. Life's going to get
a little different now. And so I was really pursuing
broadcasting and I actually worked as a junior golf broadcaster,
and as I was doing that, I was just like
I don't want to be behind the camera. Like I
was almost envious of these thirteen year old playing golf.
Parents are driving them everywhere, and I'm like, I'm sitting
here filming this.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Now, where were you doing junior golf broadcasting?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So I worked for the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour and
I pretty much traveled all over. I would leave Thursday,
I would go cover the tournaments Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come back.
And when I say I did this, I edited it,
I video taped, I produced, I.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Did the whole nine yards zero dollars, so nice. Yeah, yeah, okay,
with that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Kind of like where I was like, Okay, this is
not where I'm supposed to be. So I graduated the
next I had half a semester left, and that's when
I found out about the PGA, So I got int
the PGA, started at Detroit Golf Club, and life kind
of evolved. I got pretty into instruction. I was up
in I was living in the mountains. Then this is
kind of where the whole gym story tied in was.
(04:13):
I was just surfing social media like I need some
golf fitness stuff, like I don't really know golf fitness stuff,
and stumbled across Lifetime Performance, which is in South Florida.
Worked under Ken MacDonald and was super lucky that he
offered me a job just as a golf coach, not
so much a fitness person, and helped me understand golf
fitness better. And then I became the director of golf
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and fitness instruction up in the mountains the following season,
and then got burned out on seasonal life and was
lucky enough to thank you nice.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Always golf season there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's always golf season. Yeah, it's a really good life
down there.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I guess at what point did you get then go
get certified as you went out to TPI, you got
a level where what did that fall in the in
the journey?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I would say it was pretty early on. I was
up in the mountains and this was on TPI was
all still virtual. I just knew, like, yeah, golf fitness
is cool, but I knew that I needed more in
order to teach people. I just knew that there was
more to just club path and face angle and swinging
right away when it was fitness and TPI. So also
(05:19):
background Olympic lifted in college. I've always kind of been
a gym rat, so to take the two and combine them.
Which also, I mean, as you guys understand, golf fitness
is a different thing. It's not it's you still need
the heavy compound lifting, but like what I just did today,
there's other stuff that you need to be doing that's
different than just let's just clean on a weight.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, well I think that's it's so cool here that
I lifted, because I think people are asked, well, what's
the best exercise I can do? And I'm like, honestly,
just like power clean exactly what I mean, you still
catch it, yeah, you can, just you don't have to
go all the way down. Yeah, yeah, you can catch
it up right. But it's like green just do a
poll like exactly, because it's this it has the highest
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level of vertical production force through sorry for probably who are
not nerds in the gym. Yeah, that's so cool, So
we can go that route too, but talk to me.
You go to TPI, obviously it's a two day thing,
tons of information, but from your that kind of like
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formal golf fitness education side like really stuck out to
you and what's kind of impactful and yeah, kind of
took back and started implementing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think that you it's really eye opening to simple
movement patterns and simple golf movement patterns, like just rotating
your upper body, rotating your lower body, separating things. And
I mean I can sit there and watch people hit
golf balls for hours, but the second you take the
club away and you ask them to do a simple movement,
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that's hard. And so just realizing that, especially really success
well people that spend a lot of time behind a
computer screen, they're not doing that stuff. So just by
simply being like when you're on your business call, do
some test rotations, it's like just teaching people how to
move that period. I would say it was the opening bring.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Your camera off on the zoom meeting, Yeah and let
it right. They won't judge. So how long have you
been down a.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Cue about a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
As you and I we were talking before, like you
teaching like sun up to sundown. What are some of
the common things that you see in golfers that come
to you. But let's smeath we start here, like once
a new golfer does come yeah, yeah, which how do
you approach that? I think that's one of my favorite
questions about constructors, and we have modest like tell me
about your approach, your yesp and and then also if
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we packaging it for everyone listening, like what they should
always sound like, you know, or I'll ask you just
you know, heads up here, like what should they what
should somebody listening right now will look for it an instructor. Yeah,
So when you have a newbe come in like hey, Sarah,
you know what happens after the handshake? Then what?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, Well you start with what's a golf club? Like
this is the grip, this is the shaft, and this
is the head of the club. And funny enough people
don't know that, so you start there. I think the
grip is really important just in general in terms of
like longevity of swinging the golf club. But I would
say one of the first things after like the introduction,
introduction of the golf club and the grip is I
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start with getting the upper body rotating. And the reason
being is I would say, I see people that have
been playing golf for thirty to forty years that come
in and they don't rotate at all. So I actually
I have a student who this It pops in my
brain and you ask this question. We started in October,
had never held a golf club ever, and she swings
it with a positive three path and the face naturally rotates.
(08:52):
And we've mainly talked a lot about chest rotation, getting
some head rotation.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No, can you have a positive three?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Socially everybody listening, Yeah, hitting for those are you on
track man?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it'll like little beautiful baby draws which.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Everyone yeah, so inside out pass and gets.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The ball up in the air really well. But I
would say biggest thing that I've found with instruction, and
this is really elite players, this is your middle players,
and this is beginners. We can only take like one
or two things at a time. And I've found that
a lot of what I end up saying is like,
I need you to do this first, and if you're
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going to go practice it, this is what's next, because
I don't want to just give you this in one
hour and then you're at the range and it's like,
now it's not working because you don't have the next step. Yeah,
for sure, but fixing things piece by.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Piece by piece, Yeah, that's so smart to do the prioritization.
I mean, I'll there's not a lot that I took
from the research classes in school, but there was one
that had a research study and it was looking at
I absously came from the as a trainer and then
a physical therapist, but the physical therapy world, it was
how many home exercises can you give somebody and they'll
be successful? And it basically was like three definitely you
(10:07):
get above five probably aren't routine. So you know, I
always all right, three things them up even when we
have like our leadership meetings, everybody leaves on Monday with
three things for the week.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, and you want to give them four?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You want to give me so hard? Isn't that so hard?
You see the next ten things? Yeah, and you're like, okay,
just one and if here's two of you gig gifts.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I will say though, like the you can hold
your students more accountable for it. Like I had a
guy yesterday who the first time I saw him, he
takes the club really far outside right at the beginning,
and I was like, I need you to change that,
like that's it, don't worry about anything else. And he
came back to me two weeks later and that's still
not fixed. And I'm like, that's all I gave you,
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Like I didn't give you anything else.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Did you practice, sir? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I did, But then it started getting uncomfortable, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Like, gol, that's uncomfortable. I means we're changing. It's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, exactly, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So no, I guess, how have you? Then? So they
come in your meeting with them, at what point do you, like,
do you do an assessment on them physically? At what point?
Like how do you determine? This is always an ansterry
question for me of like I was trying to think
I was a teacher. Yeah, the range. At what point
do I just say I was just going to work
around it, yeah, versus I say we need to go
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fix that. How do you deal with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So I would say even before I start with the
grip and the golf club, it's all about have you
ever played golf? Any injuries, what kind of injuries, any surgeries,
and obviously get that whole background, and then I like
to get a feel for people's lifestyles because the truth is,
I teach a lot of people, and I think a
lot of instructors teach a lot of people that don't
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have a lot of time to practice. So if I
have a student that's going and hitting a thousand golf
balls a day versus someone who plays two hundred and
thirty rounds a year and never practices, I have to
tailor things specific to that. So I would say there
is a lot of working around things, but they're aware,
like it's not like I hide anything or I'm I
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don't bandiate anything. Like if there's something that's going to
be hard to fix, we're going to fix it because
we have to. However, if you're going to Pebble Beach
next week to go on a guy strip, maybe we
wait a week. Let's just work on the short game.
We don't need to break it all apart.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's so nice, So what the or the golfer you
mentioned two different golfers there. You have one guy who's
playing two hundred and thirty times, and another guy who's
hitting thousands of balls. Are there times where like thousand
ball guy needs to go play more and guy who
plays a lot needs to hit more balls? How do
you do you reach that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So I would say one of the reasons I got
good at golf quickly is first I listened to one
coach and my coach actually said that to me, because no,
at first, I was listening to every teammate and whatever
they can tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now you got YouTube, Instagram, you got out literally everything, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Take everything. So I was listening to everybody, and I
remember my coach was like, if we're going to make
this work, you're gonna listen to me, and I was like, okay,
which I respect it and I did, But I would say,
what ends up happening is you know, you end up
realizing like, okay, what's the end goal and you start
to have that in mind. I'm sorry, remind me of the.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Question again, the guy who's hitting a thousand ball, oh, okay, when.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You should go play? So the reason I got good
at golf quickly was because I played, and I remember
being like, I can hit I can stripe it on
the range, but it doesn't translate up there. So then
I started a lot of solo golf. They'll play solo golf.
And I remember getting into the golf business. Someone's like,
you gud have a friend of ply golf, and I
was like, I don't want anyone to be golf with me.
(13:51):
I want to go by myself. But I would say,
whether you're the thousand ball ranger or you're the I
play a ton of golf, you need to have a
process with whatever you're doing. And process is everything. And yes,
pre shot routine rehearsals. It doesn't need to be twenty
five to thirty seconds long, but rehearse what you're trying
to do, including like simulate the range into a playing environment,
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because maybe you're at a course where I am like,
we're busy until three thirty four o'clock at night, and
maybe you have dinner and you can't get out and
play all the time. But don't stand there and rake
balls and hit them, but step behind the ball, see
the ball flight, go address it like you're actually hitting
a shot. Try to work the golf ball the way
that you're trying to. But my biggest advice, whether you're
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hitting one thousand balls. You need to get out on
the golf course more, period. Yeah, because that's the essentially
aren't we trying to play better golf?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's I think with your sporting backgrounds by like in
any other sport. Yeah, like that's that's finally hearing your
story and then coming to golf. Do you have so
I was? I played basketball, so I didn't play a
golf till after college. No, same thing was everyone's like
banging ball. Yeah, I feel like they're just shooting free
throws and wondering why they suck when they play five.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, five, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I would imagine you had a similar response to that, right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, And I remember it's just like, I mean, how
do you know how good your driver is until you've
got bunkers on the left and right?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, you don't. So the tea set up here, yeah exactly, like.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You need to. That's like my biggest model is it's
more than a golf swing. That's kind of my philosophy.
It's it's how we eat, it's how we train, it's sleeping,
it's all of that. And I know it's funny because
I always say, like we're talking about golf, you know,
like a lot of the people I teach are doing
a lot bigger things than playing good golf with their friends.
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But they're there for a reason, like they want to
play better golf. So there's more to the golf swing
than where's the club as you take the ball back?
Is it too far inside? If it is hit a draw, fine,
like we can work around things. It doesn't. There's not
one size fits all in the scae.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'd love to pivot to you just a good amount
of time plates in the gym. What did you do?
Take me through kind of what happened? What'd you find?
What you learn?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, so we did some jump testing, which was cool.
That was my success. I'm in the top one hundred percentile.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
On both the counter movement and the status. Yes. Yes,
So for those of you guys who don't know, when
you when we test people, we look at counter movement jump,
which is basically you start standing, you can dip down
and jump up. And that's looking at how elastics, how
how elastic somebody is. The Other one is we have
had her hands on her hips, she sat down, kind
of squat pulled for three to five seconds without dipping,
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just go straight up, so that that looks at how
how much force can somebody create without elasticity and how
much do they create with elastis were you similar in both?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I believe I was similar in both.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, cool, Yeah, so we have So that's it's interesting
because you have a lot of the kids that come
in are very elastic so they jump like I don't
know technically measured and force output in watts, but they'll
say we use inches because that makes more sense for people.
You know, they'll jump like, you know, twenty inches when
they can dip and jump with elasticity and they'll jump
like ten inches. Yeah, being extreme here, right, because they
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have like no strength.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, So think you're not generating exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So thinking professional golfers think ox Shavitia Wills al Toort
like super skinny guys, not a lot of bulk. And
then you get to the older demo demo like your
fifty plus and their static is actually higher than their elasticity. Actually,
if they use elasticity, they get worse.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Interesting, wild interesting, that's really why So they as.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We get older, they will typically rely more on their
actual strength and less of the elastics. That's a normal
thing that we see with ag. Yeah, but there's what's
called an elastic utilization ratio, which you sound like did
pretty good at. Yeah, which is we want to see us.
You should be able to jump a little bit higher
with elasticity, but it shouldn't be like orders of magnitude, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But I would say like kind of even just to
back up a little bit of like why I'm here
is so I have a fitness background, and i've i've
when I worked in the gym, I ran programs. I
didn't write programs. So I was to the point where
like I was getting really bored with what i was doing.
And I said to Will Is like, I feel like
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I'm the weakest that I've ever been. And I'm not weak,
but like I'm not as strong as I was when
I was Olympic lid thing. It's not like I need
to be there, but somewhere in between. And basically wanted
to tailor everything that I'm doing towards golf because I
want to swing it a little bit faster. And I
was dealing with hip pain in my left side, which
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is my lead side, and between demonstrating golf things all
day and playing a lot of golf, it was progressively
getting worse and to the point where I was like,
it's not going to get better and less I go
get So. Yeah, we went through a screen measured hip rotation,
shoulder rotation, some similar stuff with TPI, but then some
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stuff that's a little bit further. Through a couple balls,
which I was actually pretty good at too.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's nice the Ollie lifting history I'm sure helped you.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but I still felt like I could do it.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Stinks further and how did you do? So when we
do the medball throws, we do a light ball, a
medium ball, and a heavy ball. The reason we do
that is looking at the force philosophy continuum and seeing
if somebody's better. We have a one long drive guy
who throws the light ball as far as he throws
the heavy ball. Interesting, so he's really good with light
he's or sorry, really good with heavy, really bad with light. Interesting,
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So a lot of the training will be more light
stuff moving fast versus if you have somebody who like
launches the light one but then like the heavy one,
like just falls in front of their toes, there're gonna
be somebody who's more's heavier sided things, so more strength speed.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So would be the guy that throws the heavy stuff.
Is he more of like really strong but not a
whole lot of fast twitch types.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
True? Yeah, So actually we have a golfer right now.
He's over at Carolina, since he's been since he was sixteen,
three trunks for leg, super strong lower body. When you
looked at his jumps, he was the first sixteen year
old I've ever seen who actually was lower on the
elastic side. So for him, a lot of his training
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at sixteen was like biometrics, trying to try to optimize
there because he was like as strong as he needed
to be lower body. When he was eighteen, It's like, okay, dude,
we can just maintain for the next fifty years, but
let's try to get more bounceyat So. Yeah, that will
inform you like where somebody's speed can come from. I'm
curious on the jump side, we're talking about how elastic
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somebody is. Do you see that when you're teaching that
some people seem to create more speed from like just
pure strength versus other people or more like, how does
that tend to show up?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I would say, well, first thing, people carry a lot
of tension in their arms and their great pressure. It
kills speed in terms of like, and I understand you
need a certain amount of strength in order to swing
the club fast, but when you're death grip in the
golf club, it's swing fast. So I would say people
try to muscle the golf ball. And so it's almost like, yeah,
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I see these wicked strong people come in and all
I'm saying is like, come on, like, let these go.
But then I mean, I have some seventy five year
old women that I teach that maybe don't weigh more
than ninety pounds, and that's where I'm like, might not
swing at more than forty seven? Yeah, And that's kind
of where I wish I could be like, you should
start working, you know, and I do. But people they
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do their things. They're tired to destroy their light, they
do all the other things exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, So all right, so we got so got through
the jobs, got through the power testing assessments. What did
we find on the left hid?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So my left hip is limited internally. Actually, Will was like,
you don't have any back problems to you, which just
on my drive up and in the last couple of days,
it's like I feel.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like my.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Wizard wizardly like it's just like it's not strong. And
so he was like, honestly, could have happened next week,
could have happened in a year, but you're luckier here.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah. That's the number one predictor of low back pain
is the lead hip internal rotation being limited. So internal
rotation for everyone listening is your ability to rotate into
your lead leg through impact. So get to your follow through.
So the position that Sarah demonstrates hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Of times a day, and my right side's fine, it's
actually like over mobile. Yeah, and the left side was
just like yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Then did he get into the muscles of which ones
were locked up.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
At the TfL so as the iliacus is really a
fun place, brilliant, all of that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
All the things, all of those Yeah, the seventy five
year old has all their things, you have all your.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's mine too. Well, I was saying a will I
was on wast like do I kidney still starting He's like,
you'd know if you had a kidney. It's just your sight.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, I think that's that's an important piece to bring
out for people, is like the tissue can get so
locked up and the trigger points can get so intense
that it it's all it's all a nervous system response,
but it can't feel harb. Yeah. And we get so
many people that I don't know, how is your glute
glute meds and and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
All those they need to be stronger, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Were they super sensitive to tissue work new or was
iliac like they all we're pretty suchy okay, yeah, and
that's they can all refer down the lay. I think
there's actually a lot of people who will say I
got I got the sciatica. Yes. First of all, is
no that in front. But the first is always like, well,
how far down is the pain? Go? Yeah, is it
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into your foot? And is it shooting and burning? And
if the answers are no, no, no, it's like, oh
it's in my calf, it's in my hamster. Yeah, nine
times out of ten, it's actually a trigger point and
a muscle, and you know, if it's going past the ankle,
there's the tissues. Trigger points don't refer that far down.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But that's a lot of people I got this attica
and they're like, and my son the left on my
one side. We just had an accelerator or we had
like fifteen people flying from around the country. We did
three day events and every single one of them that
was like, to me, it's like the single most important
mess friend, but he's dealing with back pain. The golfer
is like, if it's one sided, it's usually the glut meter,
like the being able to tell people like it sounds
(24:24):
like you got the day, like yeah, hit these spots
and then that should be fine. Yeah. And when you
can give people that gift of like, hey, this is
how to take care of your it's almost like how
to take care of your Yeah, it's true, I'll take
care of your body. Yeah. People are like, oh, all right,
so I feel that, just do that yeah yeah, and
then I'm good. Yeah that's cool, and then they're good.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And the interesting thing is though, I was like I'm mobile,
like I'm flexible, and this stuff is still happening on me.
So any golf profession you need this, and any golfer
you need this. But really, I mean, golf pro life
can be tough. You know, you're working all day.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's tough. It's a grind. Yeah, to be honest, you
guys have one of the hardest jobs out there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You're on your feet set up to sunset, you're carrying
things you're lifting things awkwardly, like and you're not really
taking care of yourself. So do this stuff for yourself,
like this is the coolest thing, like hopping in my
car and being like I'm going and actually, yes, I
want to share this with all my students, but this
is something that I know that I need.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah. Yeah, so you're heading back today. What's the action plan?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So, now, well, I'm a I go to the gym.
It's not like I'm I don't work out. I go
four or five days a week. But basically, Will's going
to give me a program that I'm going to follow.
A lot of what we discussed is he's like, you
check a lot of the boxes minus my hip and
shoulder rotations a little tight, but I just need to
be stronger. And he's like, you just need to bump
(25:56):
up your weights. Yeah, everything that you're doing basically. And
so now I don't want to say it's like the
clearance and the permission to do that, but as a
golfer's plan, there's a plan. And I mean that's kind
of also why I'm here is I go to the
gym five days a week, and one to two of
those days it's like you know, you don't quite have it,
and you just go walk on an incline, treadmill, and
(26:19):
that's it. That's it, and then you leave and you
don't feel great about it because you just woke up
for me five in the morning to come here and
walk on an incline.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I literally had that day yesterday. I woke up five am.
All right, benched dead Today, got in. I was like, treadmill, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And then you're like maybe in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm like, wow, just do Yeah. I put it
up like eight what you can go five percent in
line today? Yeah? And then I went in today and
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Like, you gotta do it. But I'm good if I
have something to hold me accountable. And maybe some people aren't,
but that's like if I have a plan. And when
I was lifting in college, we had sheets that we
would write all our weights and then so it pushed
you and I just didn't have that. We can go
through my notes in my phone and see all of
the little like circuits that I find on Instagram, and
(27:04):
I plug in and I'm going to do that tomorrow.
And then I get there and I'm like, I really
need like no one.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Told me to do this. I think that's the coolest
thing too, Like for you coming here and we get
the entire databasics, you get to see, like, you know,
particularly if you were in the hundredth percentile jump side
for women your age and you're like, what's your club is?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Eighty eighth? See that That's what Will was saying.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, so yeah, if your one hundred percentile for vertical
like then physically lower body power standpoint, like you're explosive,
you should be in the hunt like triple digits.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, that's what he said. He said, if you hadn't
seen anything, he'd be like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You said your cruising speech should be like ninety four.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Easy, easy, tour average higher. Yeah, and yeah, but then
I think that's I think this is an important note
for any of the women listening. Typically we see in
our LPGA girls is they are very very flexible, and
their injury risk is their strength thereof, and they will
feel tight or get tightness like what you're experiencing, because
it's the body's attempt to stabilize. H. So think of it.
(28:08):
The more motion you have, the more strength you have
to have. Right, So if I get less motion I
need less strength, so your body naturally will actually try
to decrease the motion to match your strength. And so
what we saw it was a really cool thing we did.
We had ten girls all swinging over one hundred, and
they all had back pain, really, and so we did
the thing with them. It was probably three years ago.
We ran them through a program in the off season
(28:31):
where it was solely to get their dead lifts up
to two hundred pounds total. And once we got their
dead lifts up, those that were at two hundred or
higher and it was one point seven times their body
weight or more, I no longer had back.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Really.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
There was one girl who was she was like six
to two. She had to get along, she had to
get to like two thirty or two fifty the heavier,
but as soon as she got to one seventy five,
backpack off. And so it's it's just really cool thing
that we've seen where it's not how much I mean
to Jerry hunder Miles our club, it'speed, like you got
to be able to move low. So like, yeah, lifting
two hundreds, like that's just an absolute number, but really
(29:14):
the pain came down so that think of like two
hundred was like the amount of force needs to be
able to produce to move her mouth right, but to
do it safely needed it was really body weight relativity.
And so I think that's a that's a cool message
for any of you listening right now that on the
on the women's side, that strength is honestly the number
(29:34):
one killer of careers for women. On the men's side,
y'all suck at mobility. A lot of you suck at
strength too. We got unfortunately guys, we kind of suck
at both. But but it's cool because you can look
and see. I think this is one of my coolest
graphs that we do is you'll see, hey, where's your
percentile vertical A glower body, right, So for you, it's
(29:55):
at one hundred. And then you say, where's your club
has p percentile And it's like sixty. That's a big gap. Yeah, okay.
And then you're like, all right, where's your mobility? And okay,
my hip's not good? My shoulder all right? So now
all of a sudden you have highlighted for you, I
gotta do shoulder, I gotta do hip. And the way
we look at our philosophy, it's kind of like a
I joked the old food pyramid that ended up being
(30:15):
total BF. Yeah, I can't, can we cut? I always
ask you this. I just don't really explicit rating or
not sotal bullshit, right, So but like you know, where's
bread at the bottom. So I joke and we stole
it since it's invalid and we made our own. Now
where we think of like the bottom as mobility. And
if you don't have the foundation of mobility, anything you
build on top of that is potentially problem. So that's
(30:39):
like preeous, like, hey, get my shoulder and get my
hip clean. Great, ye now just maintain the next level
is the strength happens? Yeah, okay, hey, where are we
at that? And so it's like we got to do
a little bit yea yeah right, and then it's like
power numbers. Yeah right, So you're clearly from a power standpoint,
you're your verticals. You're probably gonna set a new hundred
percent dole as your strength gets hired because you already
have elasticity. Sale years of volleyball probably helped that. But
(31:03):
now all of a sudden it becomes really clear where
do you focus. And now let's say mobility is clean,
like say you come back eight weeks. Mobility is clean
or strength numbers are like trending up or vert your
upper by like power numbers are good. And let's say
you're still swinging Ida, let's cut tht your golf proff
because that's who we would then talk to you next.
(31:23):
But that's where then we go to that top of
the pyramid. Is we call it the core for officiency standpoint,
we'd look at it. We say it's not instruction, it's
efficiency where we say, hey, are the hips moving? First?
Is there an X factor like an X factor stretch occurring?
Our first I guess is their weight shift? Second is
the hips first? Third is there an X factor stretcher?
Then fourth is their speed out front? Chicken late right?
(31:46):
And if those elements are not occurring, it's like, okay,
this is like physically the engine is built, but technically
we don't know how to get it out. Yes, sorry, joker,
there's a gorilla locked in a cage of ye just
kind of get it out.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And that's to me, you know, that's where it's like
for areywell listening, like getting with somebody like Sarah like yourself,
who can then say like take the car, yeah, and
then teach you how to drive it exactly is magical
for people? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, and also I think too, golf is hard and
working out is hard. I wouldn't say that, And I
was under this, like understanding that I needed to love
the gym.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And I did, but then still looking for the first
golfer who loves the gym. I know.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But then now it's like, no, it's okay if we
accept that, like we don't really like it, but we
know that we have to do it. But also like
whether it's swing well, like don't be afraid to be
told where you're not good at things, because like I'm functioning,
and yeah, I mean I hit twelve out of fourteen
fairways probably on average, but I swing at ace and
(32:48):
I hit it two thirty up the middle when I
can hit it too fifty up the middle just by
getting stronger. So I think that in general, whether it's golf,
whether it's fitness, whatever it is, whether it's life, we
all need to speed more open to learning areas that
maybe we're not great at and then making them that
instead of like I was talking to a guy when
I got here who had a broken shoulder for a year,
(33:10):
and he didn't go get it looked at and then
he went got it, looked at it, and it was
broken for a year. So it's like we same kind
of with me. I mean, this hip thing's been going
on for probably like six months and it actually it
popped up in my knee when I was like, I
hope it didn't hear anything in But I feel like
we wait too long where it's like if you just
go address it now, like yeah, maybe I wish I
(33:30):
came up here and it was like, oh, you've got
some stuff wrong. I'm thrilled that. It's just like you
just need to go lift heavier weights and fix your Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, I I was like the mental framework, what's the upside?
What's the downside? And then if I assume that the
downside is going to happen, I'm okay. Yeah, I think
if people operated with that, you're like, let's we'll use
you for example. So if I go up, what's the
upside of going up? Well I figure out why my
head spugg at me. Yeah, I can swing it faster,
like all the good things, right, Yeah, Well, what's the
downside if I you know, if I don't okay, well,
(33:58):
this just continues it goes into my back, my knees
screwed up. Well, now I can't demo anything. Well, now
I can't do what I need to do for my job. Yeah,
allf sucks. I don't want to play. I hurt like, okay, cool,
so let's assume that happens. You good? Yeah, no, then right,
do something?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, like I don't want to have to I was
saying to Will, like, I'm so happy I came in
because if I would, it hurt my back, like you said, Okay,
now maybe I need surgery or I can't swing. Sarah
Davis is not heck, we don't want that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Not. Well, I think it's just to me, and I
think it's it speaks to the the way that the
body works is where your prop like where your pain
is is not really where your problem is. Right, And
it's so like what you're describing is so stereotypical and
so normal. Yes, it's like like my hips bugging me,
Oh whatever, my knee, Oh gosh, I should do something. Well,
(34:51):
it's not you don't even need doesn't have a problem
or my back or it's coming from the joint above
or below, and that's just so so so common. But yeah,
I joked that when I started I started the business,
it was like a help golfers their fitness. I'm about
like two years in, I'm like, golfers hate fitness, Like
I run a golf fitness I run a fitness business
(35:11):
for people who hate fitness. And that's where it became
really quick, really clear where for me, you know you
mentioned they've ever seen like what we did with the assessment,
like TPI full assessment level one is like sixteen different.
So we've always looked at like, okay, are there, how
do we get like eighty percent ninety percent of the
info and do with like twenty percent of the test.
That's where we have used the stats to come down to,
(35:33):
all right, let's just do like older hips, like it's
gonna what's going to move the needle the most if
we need to get into risk, mobility and all that,
like yeah, sure we will, but like you're gonna if
we go back we talked about in the beginning, leave
with three things. Yeah, one thing, maybe two right by
just doing four test, like looking at four with four
joint like we felt half of them had a problem. Yeah,
and that's one. Two things, Yeah, go for who we
(35:55):
don't right, go do your homework, come back free test
and we'll see where exactly. So I want to be
expect for the time. I know you should be driving
home right now, and I say, I totally jack that
for it still, but where can people find more? Like
follow you, check out, you know what you're doing. Obviously
you should go to kioa.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's wonderful. Instagram. I am big on my Instagram. Are
you guys going to put.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
The We'll put everything in the show notes, yeah, all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
But yeah, so Instagram, I'm big. Instagram's kind of like
my main platform right now. My Twitter hasn't been used
in a while, so you don't have to look there.
But Instagram is good. I communicate, i'd say, with everybody
through that and pretty much.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I mean, it's fantastic. So we will put the h
the handle everything in there in the show notes for
you guys, so you can find that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think we can make it too. Like what I
also want to do with this is like document my
journey with you guys. Yes, you know, like, okay, here,
I am my hip stop great not strong.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
To be honest, you're probably stronger than the average bear.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well I told one of my friends. I'm like, I'm
going to get a finis of the test and he's like,
what to get stronger, you need to get stronger. I'm like,
if you knew how strong I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Was, yeah, I would agree with me.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But it'll be cool to be like, Okay, all of
a sudden, now I'm lifting heavier. Maybe my clubheit speed
sneaks up. And any of my students that watch this
that ask me about clubhead speed, we.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Need to get strong yeah, And I think that's the
cool thing. And for now it may be strength, yeah,
and I definitely there's a mobility component to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but then it may be in eight weeks it may
be Hey, it's you know sequence or you know so,
And I think that's the cool thing for everybody listening.
The journey is like for life, it changes. That's it's
so funny that we have people that are, like most
(37:37):
people are average the first ten weeks throughout like ten
yards about three miles an hour. After the first year
that five seven yards like miles an hour, so up
like twenty yards. Yeah, and they're like okay, I'm good
and you're like, no, what, but dude, how many years
are gonna keep playing it. Yeah, like, oh, you know
till I'm like ninety Yeah, great, that's thirty years from that.
You don't think anything bad is going to happen in
(37:57):
the next thirty years, right, you don't think your boy's
going to change. And they're like they're like, oh, no,
I know what to do. I just did it for
last year and I'm like, yeah, but your body today
is different and then your body was that the program
that you need to do now it's different. Yeah, I
think that's the program actually becomes easier because there's not
much stuff to fix. Maintaining is easier than gaining. And
it's just to your point, it's it's a process, it's
(38:17):
a journey and things are gonna well. What you're leaving
with today will not be what you leave with the
next time. You're so Sarah, thank you so much for
your time. I can't thank you enough. It's been awesome
having you on and for everyone listening, thanks as always
for hanging out with here on the golf of this
Bomb Squad. And we'll catch you in the next episode.
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host,
Chris Finn, and today we have a special guest in studio,
Sarah Davis, the lead golf instructor at Keewa Island aka
Heaven on Earth as I refer to it. Sarah was
up in town getting herself evaluated, working on her body,
and she actually was about to leave. Funny, I just
kind of like ran down the hall and I was like, hey, wait,
(00:31):
we should do a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So here we are, so welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So it's not often that I get to have people
in studio. Usually we do it via zoom or whatever,
so it's always a treat. But I think one of
the coolest things, just as I was kind of getting
some of the download from from Will and some other guys,
is just you have a fitness background. You've actually done
TPI level one. I'd love to just, you know, for
you to share with listeners and me, like just your
golf story, like how did you get started in golf?
(00:57):
And then not every golf instruction sure for those who
don't know, apparently you worked in a gym too, I did. Yeah,
if you were committed to the fitness side necessary things. Yeah,
how do we end up here? Yea, how do we
end up here?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So golf stories kind of different. Was a gymnast from
two to fourteen. Then I started playing softball, got pretty
serious into volleyball as a middle schooler, so volleyball was
my thing. I played club high school, ended up going
to playing college, and then upon college, we got a
(01:30):
football team that the school didn't properly budget for. I
was in broadcasting and I was interviewing one of our
men's players on the golf team. It like rumor had
kind of floated around campus that scholarships were going to
be pulled. So of course I'm like, well, I went
to a private university which was really expensive. So I
made a joke to a golfer about joining the golf team,
and he's like, yeah, the women's team. They had five
(01:51):
girls that were all going to graduate at the same time.
We were a title nine university, so they needed a
women's and so he's like, so you should joined the
golf team, and I'm like, do you understand I've never
played golf. So I leave and I'm like, don't even
like think about the idea. The next day, the volleyball
coach calls me and he's like, you should join the
golf team. And I'm like what. So then the next
(02:13):
day the golf coach calls and he's like, I'll give
you your money if you want to join the team.
So this is like three days and I'm like, guys,
I've never played golf. Does anyone understand this? So I
joined the golf team. And so I had only played
golf probably three times, nine holes with my parents recreationally.
Didn't own golf clubs, like, didn't grow up at a
country club, didn't know the whole lifestyle. But needless to say,
(02:34):
I fell in love my first tournament. So my first
tournament was my first time playing eighteen holes.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean got asked, what'd you shoot? It's nice? Yet
you broke one forty I had two pars. It is
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And I didn't know what I was doing at all.
I had started taking lessons, so I kind of soort
anew but I was just out there having fun. And
then COVID hit all sports shut down. So this is
like a year and a half later, and we had
a tournament at our home course and I won and
So that's where it was kind of like, Okay, I
think God's kind of pulling on me to take this
next step with golf. And I remember driving home and
(03:08):
I was like, how a feeling. Life's going to get
a little different now. And so I was really pursuing
broadcasting and I actually worked as a junior golf broadcaster,
and as I was doing that, I was just like
I don't want to be behind the camera. Like I
was almost envious of these thirteen year old playing golf.
Parents are driving them everywhere, and I'm like, I'm sitting
here filming this.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Now, where were you doing junior golf broadcasting?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So I worked for the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour and
I pretty much traveled all over. I would leave Thursday,
I would go cover the tournaments Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come back.
And when I say I did this, I edited it,
I video taped, I produced, I.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Did the whole nine yards zero dollars, so nice. Yeah, yeah, okay,
with that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Kind of like where I was like, Okay, this is
not where I'm supposed to be. So I graduated the
next I had half a semester left, and that's when
I found out about the PGA, So I got int
the PGA, started at Detroit Golf Club, and life kind
of evolved. I got pretty into instruction. I was up
in I was living in the mountains. Then this is
kind of where the whole gym story tied in was.
(04:13):
I was just surfing social media like I need some
golf fitness stuff, like I don't really know golf fitness stuff,
and stumbled across Lifetime Performance, which is in South Florida.
Worked under Ken MacDonald and was super lucky that he
offered me a job just as a golf coach, not
so much a fitness person, and helped me understand golf
fitness better. And then I became the director of golf
(04:37):
and fitness instruction up in the mountains the following season,
and then got burned out on seasonal life and was
lucky enough to thank you nice.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Always golf season there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's always golf season. Yeah, it's a really good life
down there.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I guess at what point did you get then go
get certified as you went out to TPI, you got
a level where what did that fall in the in
the journey?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I would say it was pretty early on. I was
up in the mountains and this was on TPI was
all still virtual. I just knew, like, yeah, golf fitness
is cool, but I knew that I needed more in
order to teach people. I just knew that there was
more to just club path and face angle and swinging
right away when it was fitness and TPI. So also
(05:19):
background Olympic lifted in college. I've always kind of been
a gym rat, so to take the two and combine them.
Which also, I mean, as you guys understand, golf fitness
is a different thing. It's not it's you still need
the heavy compound lifting, but like what I just did today,
there's other stuff that you need to be doing that's
different than just let's just clean on a weight.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, well I think that's it's so cool here that
I lifted, because I think people are asked, well, what's
the best exercise I can do? And I'm like, honestly,
just like power clean exactly what I mean, you still
catch it, yeah, you can, just you don't have to
go all the way down. Yeah, yeah, you can catch
it up right. But it's like green just do a
poll like exactly, because it's this it has the highest
(06:03):
level of vertical production force through sorry for probably who are
not nerds in the gym. Yeah, that's so cool, So
we can go that route too, but talk to me.
You go to TPI, obviously it's a two day thing,
tons of information, but from your that kind of like
(06:26):
formal golf fitness education side like really stuck out to
you and what's kind of impactful and yeah, kind of
took back and started implementing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think that you it's really eye opening to simple
movement patterns and simple golf movement patterns, like just rotating
your upper body, rotating your lower body, separating things. And
I mean I can sit there and watch people hit
golf balls for hours, but the second you take the
club away and you ask them to do a simple movement,
(06:55):
that's hard. And so just realizing that, especially really success
well people that spend a lot of time behind a
computer screen, they're not doing that stuff. So just by
simply being like when you're on your business call, do
some test rotations, it's like just teaching people how to
move that period. I would say it was the opening bring.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Your camera off on the zoom meeting, Yeah and let
it right. They won't judge. So how long have you
been down a.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Cue about a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
As you and I we were talking before, like you
teaching like sun up to sundown. What are some of
the common things that you see in golfers that come
to you. But let's smeath we start here, like once
a new golfer does come yeah, yeah, which how do
you approach that? I think that's one of my favorite
questions about constructors, and we have modest like tell me
about your approach, your yesp and and then also if
(07:50):
we packaging it for everyone listening, like what they should
always sound like, you know, or I'll ask you just
you know, heads up here, like what should they what
should somebody listening right now will look for it an instructor. Yeah,
So when you have a newbe come in like hey, Sarah,
you know what happens after the handshake? Then what?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, Well you start with what's a golf club? Like
this is the grip, this is the shaft, and this
is the head of the club. And funny enough people
don't know that, so you start there. I think the
grip is really important just in general in terms of
like longevity of swinging the golf club. But I would
say one of the first things after like the introduction,
introduction of the golf club and the grip is I
(08:31):
start with getting the upper body rotating. And the reason
being is I would say, I see people that have
been playing golf for thirty to forty years that come
in and they don't rotate at all. So I actually
I have a student who this It pops in my
brain and you ask this question. We started in October,
had never held a golf club ever, and she swings
it with a positive three path and the face naturally rotates.
(08:52):
And we've mainly talked a lot about chest rotation, getting
some head rotation.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No, can you have a positive three?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Socially everybody listening, Yeah, hitting for those are you on
track man?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it'll like little beautiful baby draws which.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Everyone yeah, so inside out pass and gets.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The ball up in the air really well. But I
would say biggest thing that I've found with instruction, and
this is really elite players, this is your middle players,
and this is beginners. We can only take like one
or two things at a time. And I've found that
a lot of what I end up saying is like,
I need you to do this first, and if you're
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going to go practice it, this is what's next, because
I don't want to just give you this in one
hour and then you're at the range and it's like,
now it's not working because you don't have the next step. Yeah,
for sure, but fixing things piece by.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Piece by piece, Yeah, that's so smart to do the prioritization.
I mean, I'll there's not a lot that I took
from the research classes in school, but there was one
that had a research study and it was looking at
I absously came from the as a trainer and then
a physical therapist, but the physical therapy world, it was
how many home exercises can you give somebody and they'll
be successful? And it basically was like three definitely you
(10:07):
get above five probably aren't routine. So you know, I
always all right, three things them up even when we
have like our leadership meetings, everybody leaves on Monday with
three things for the week.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, and you want to give them four?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You want to give me so hard? Isn't that so hard?
You see the next ten things? Yeah, and you're like, okay,
just one and if here's two of you gig gifts.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I will say though, like the you can hold
your students more accountable for it. Like I had a
guy yesterday who the first time I saw him, he
takes the club really far outside right at the beginning,
and I was like, I need you to change that,
like that's it, don't worry about anything else. And he
came back to me two weeks later and that's still
not fixed. And I'm like, that's all I gave you,
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Like I didn't give you anything else.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Did you practice, sir? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I did, But then it started getting uncomfortable, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Like, gol, that's uncomfortable. I means we're changing. It's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, exactly, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So no, I guess, how have you? Then? So they
come in your meeting with them, at what point do you, like,
do you do an assessment on them physically? At what point?
Like how do you determine? This is always an ansterry
question for me of like I was trying to think
I was a teacher. Yeah, the range. At what point
do I just say I was just going to work
around it, yeah, versus I say we need to go
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fix that. How do you deal with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So I would say even before I start with the
grip and the golf club, it's all about have you
ever played golf? Any injuries, what kind of injuries, any surgeries,
and obviously get that whole background, and then I like
to get a feel for people's lifestyles because the truth is,
I teach a lot of people, and I think a
lot of instructors teach a lot of people that don't
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have a lot of time to practice. So if I
have a student that's going and hitting a thousand golf
balls a day versus someone who plays two hundred and
thirty rounds a year and never practices, I have to
tailor things specific to that. So I would say there
is a lot of working around things, but they're aware,
like it's not like I hide anything or I'm I
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don't bandiate anything. Like if there's something that's going to
be hard to fix, we're going to fix it because
we have to. However, if you're going to Pebble Beach
next week to go on a guy strip, maybe we
wait a week. Let's just work on the short game.
We don't need to break it all apart.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's so nice, So what the or the golfer you
mentioned two different golfers there. You have one guy who's
playing two hundred and thirty times, and another guy who's
hitting thousands of balls. Are there times where like thousand
ball guy needs to go play more and guy who
plays a lot needs to hit more balls? How do
you do you reach that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So I would say one of the reasons I got
good at golf quickly is first I listened to one
coach and my coach actually said that to me, because no,
at first, I was listening to every teammate and whatever
they can tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now you got YouTube, Instagram, you got out literally everything, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Take everything. So I was listening to everybody, and I
remember my coach was like, if we're going to make
this work, you're gonna listen to me, and I was like, okay,
which I respect it and I did, But I would say,
what ends up happening is you know, you end up
realizing like, okay, what's the end goal and you start
to have that in mind. I'm sorry, remind me of the.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Question again, the guy who's hitting a thousand ball, oh, okay, when.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You should go play? So the reason I got good
at golf quickly was because I played, and I remember
being like, I can hit I can stripe it on
the range, but it doesn't translate up there. So then
I started a lot of solo golf. They'll play solo golf.
And I remember getting into the golf business. Someone's like,
you gud have a friend of ply golf, and I
was like, I don't want anyone to be golf with me.
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I want to go by myself. But I would say,
whether you're the thousand ball ranger or you're the I
play a ton of golf, you need to have a
process with whatever you're doing. And process is everything. And yes,
pre shot routine rehearsals. It doesn't need to be twenty
five to thirty seconds long, but rehearse what you're trying
to do, including like simulate the range into a playing environment,
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because maybe you're at a course where I am like,
we're busy until three thirty four o'clock at night, and
maybe you have dinner and you can't get out and
play all the time. But don't stand there and rake
balls and hit them, but step behind the ball, see
the ball flight, go address it like you're actually hitting
a shot. Try to work the golf ball the way
that you're trying to. But my biggest advice, whether you're
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hitting one thousand balls. You need to get out on
the golf course more, period. Yeah, because that's the essentially
aren't we trying to play better golf?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's I think with your sporting backgrounds by like in
any other sport. Yeah, like that's that's finally hearing your
story and then coming to golf. Do you have so
I was? I played basketball, so I didn't play a
golf till after college. No, same thing was everyone's like
banging ball. Yeah, I feel like they're just shooting free
throws and wondering why they suck when they play five.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, five, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I would imagine you had a similar response to that, right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, And I remember it's just like, I mean, how
do you know how good your driver is until you've
got bunkers on the left and right?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, you don't. So the tea set up here, yeah exactly, like.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You need to. That's like my biggest model is it's
more than a golf swing. That's kind of my philosophy.
It's it's how we eat, it's how we train, it's sleeping,
it's all of that. And I know it's funny because
I always say, like we're talking about golf, you know,
like a lot of the people I teach are doing
a lot bigger things than playing good golf with their friends.
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But they're there for a reason, like they want to
play better golf. So there's more to the golf swing
than where's the club as you take the ball back?
Is it too far inside? If it is hit a draw, fine,
like we can work around things. It doesn't. There's not
one size fits all in the scae.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'd love to pivot to you just a good amount
of time plates in the gym. What did you do?
Take me through kind of what happened? What'd you find?
What you learn?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, so we did some jump testing, which was cool.
That was my success. I'm in the top one hundred percentile.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
On both the counter movement and the status. Yes. Yes,
So for those of you guys who don't know, when
you when we test people, we look at counter movement jump,
which is basically you start standing, you can dip down
and jump up. And that's looking at how elastics, how
how elastic somebody is. The Other one is we have
had her hands on her hips, she sat down, kind
of squat pulled for three to five seconds without dipping,
(16:37):
just go straight up, so that that looks at how
how much force can somebody create without elasticity and how
much do they create with elastis were you similar in both?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I believe I was similar in both.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, cool, Yeah, so we have So that's it's interesting
because you have a lot of the kids that come
in are very elastic so they jump like I don't
know technically measured and force output in watts, but they'll
say we use inches because that makes more sense for people.
You know, they'll jump like, you know, twenty inches when
they can dip and jump with elasticity and they'll jump
like ten inches. Yeah, being extreme here, right, because they
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have like no strength.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, So think you're not generating exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So thinking professional golfers think ox Shavitia Wills al Toort
like super skinny guys, not a lot of bulk. And
then you get to the older demo demo like your
fifty plus and their static is actually higher than their elasticity. Actually,
if they use elasticity, they get worse.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Interesting, wild interesting, that's really why So they as.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We get older, they will typically rely more on their
actual strength and less of the elastics. That's a normal
thing that we see with ag. Yeah, but there's what's
called an elastic utilization ratio, which you sound like did
pretty good at. Yeah, which is we want to see us.
You should be able to jump a little bit higher
with elasticity, but it shouldn't be like orders of magnitude, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But I would say like kind of even just to
back up a little bit of like why I'm here
is so I have a fitness background, and i've i've
when I worked in the gym, I ran programs. I
didn't write programs. So I was to the point where
like I was getting really bored with what i was doing.
And I said to Will Is like, I feel like
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I'm the weakest that I've ever been. And I'm not weak,
but like I'm not as strong as I was when
I was Olympic lid thing. It's not like I need
to be there, but somewhere in between. And basically wanted
to tailor everything that I'm doing towards golf because I
want to swing it a little bit faster. And I
was dealing with hip pain in my left side, which
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is my lead side, and between demonstrating golf things all
day and playing a lot of golf, it was progressively
getting worse and to the point where I was like,
it's not going to get better and less I go
get So. Yeah, we went through a screen measured hip rotation,
shoulder rotation, some similar stuff with TPI, but then some
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stuff that's a little bit further. Through a couple balls,
which I was actually pretty good at too.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's nice the Ollie lifting history I'm sure helped you.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but I still felt like I could do it.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Stinks further and how did you do? So when we
do the medball throws, we do a light ball, a
medium ball, and a heavy ball. The reason we do
that is looking at the force philosophy continuum and seeing
if somebody's better. We have a one long drive guy
who throws the light ball as far as he throws
the heavy ball. Interesting, so he's really good with light
he's or sorry, really good with heavy, really bad with light. Interesting,
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So a lot of the training will be more light
stuff moving fast versus if you have somebody who like
launches the light one but then like the heavy one,
like just falls in front of their toes, there're gonna
be somebody who's more's heavier sided things, so more strength speed.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So would be the guy that throws the heavy stuff.
Is he more of like really strong but not a
whole lot of fast twitch types.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
True? Yeah, So actually we have a golfer right now.
He's over at Carolina, since he's been since he was sixteen,
three trunks for leg, super strong lower body. When you
looked at his jumps, he was the first sixteen year
old I've ever seen who actually was lower on the
elastic side. So for him, a lot of his training
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at sixteen was like biometrics, trying to try to optimize
there because he was like as strong as he needed
to be lower body. When he was eighteen, It's like, okay, dude,
we can just maintain for the next fifty years, but
let's try to get more bounceyat So. Yeah, that will
inform you like where somebody's speed can come from. I'm
curious on the jump side, we're talking about how elastic
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somebody is. Do you see that when you're teaching that
some people seem to create more speed from like just
pure strength versus other people or more like, how does
that tend to show up?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I would say, well, first thing, people carry a lot
of tension in their arms and their great pressure. It
kills speed in terms of like, and I understand you
need a certain amount of strength in order to swing
the club fast, but when you're death grip in the
golf club, it's swing fast. So I would say people
try to muscle the golf ball. And so it's almost like, yeah,
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I see these wicked strong people come in and all
I'm saying is like, come on, like, let these go.
But then I mean, I have some seventy five year
old women that I teach that maybe don't weigh more
than ninety pounds, and that's where I'm like, might not
swing at more than forty seven? Yeah, And that's kind
of where I wish I could be like, you should
start working, you know, and I do. But people they
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do their things. They're tired to destroy their light, they
do all the other things exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, So all right, so we got so got through
the jobs, got through the power testing assessments. What did
we find on the left hid?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So my left hip is limited internally. Actually, Will was like,
you don't have any back problems to you, which just
on my drive up and in the last couple of days,
it's like I feel.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like my.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Wizard wizardly like it's just like it's not strong. And
so he was like, honestly, could have happened next week,
could have happened in a year, but you're luckier here.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah. That's the number one predictor of low back pain
is the lead hip internal rotation being limited. So internal
rotation for everyone listening is your ability to rotate into
your lead leg through impact. So get to your follow through.
So the position that Sarah demonstrates hundreds.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Of times a day, and my right side's fine, it's
actually like over mobile. Yeah, and the left side was
just like yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Then did he get into the muscles of which ones
were locked up.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
At the TfL so as the iliacus is really a
fun place, brilliant, all of that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
All the things, all of those Yeah, the seventy five
year old has all their things, you have all your.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's mine too. Well, I was saying a will I
was on wast like do I kidney still starting He's like,
you'd know if you had a kidney. It's just your sight.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, I think that's that's an important piece to bring
out for people, is like the tissue can get so
locked up and the trigger points can get so intense
that it it's all it's all a nervous system response,
but it can't feel harb. Yeah. And we get so
many people that I don't know, how is your glute
glute meds and and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
All those they need to be stronger, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Were they super sensitive to tissue work new or was
iliac like they all we're pretty suchy okay, yeah, and
that's they can all refer down the lay. I think
there's actually a lot of people who will say I
got I got the sciatica. Yes. First of all, is
no that in front. But the first is always like, well,
how far down is the pain? Go? Yeah, is it
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into your foot? And is it shooting and burning? And
if the answers are no, no, no, it's like, oh
it's in my calf, it's in my hamster. Yeah, nine
times out of ten, it's actually a trigger point and
a muscle, and you know, if it's going past the ankle,
there's the tissues. Trigger points don't refer that far down.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But that's a lot of people I got this attica
and they're like, and my son the left on my
one side. We just had an accelerator or we had
like fifteen people flying from around the country. We did
three day events and every single one of them that
was like, to me, it's like the single most important
mess friend, but he's dealing with back pain. The golfer
is like, if it's one sided, it's usually the glut meter,
like the being able to tell people like it sounds
(24:24):
like you got the day, like yeah, hit these spots
and then that should be fine. Yeah. And when you
can give people that gift of like, hey, this is
how to take care of your it's almost like how
to take care of your Yeah, it's true, I'll take
care of your body. Yeah. People are like, oh, all right,
so I feel that, just do that yeah yeah, and
then I'm good. Yeah that's cool, and then they're good.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And the interesting thing is though, I was like I'm mobile,
like I'm flexible, and this stuff is still happening on me.
So any golf profession you need this, and any golfer
you need this. But really, I mean, golf pro life
can be tough. You know, you're working all day.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's tough. It's a grind. Yeah, to be honest, you
guys have one of the hardest jobs out there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You're on your feet set up to sunset, you're carrying
things you're lifting things awkwardly, like and you're not really
taking care of yourself. So do this stuff for yourself,
like this is the coolest thing, like hopping in my
car and being like I'm going and actually, yes, I
want to share this with all my students, but this
is something that I know that I need.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah. Yeah, so you're heading back today. What's the action plan?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So, now, well, I'm a I go to the gym.
It's not like I'm I don't work out. I go
four or five days a week. But basically, Will's going
to give me a program that I'm going to follow.
A lot of what we discussed is he's like, you
check a lot of the boxes minus my hip and
shoulder rotations a little tight, but I just need to
be stronger. And he's like, you just need to bump
(25:56):
up your weights. Yeah, everything that you're doing basically. And
so now I don't want to say it's like the
clearance and the permission to do that, but as a
golfer's plan, there's a plan. And I mean that's kind
of also why I'm here is I go to the
gym five days a week, and one to two of
those days it's like you know, you don't quite have it,
and you just go walk on an incline, treadmill, and
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that's it. That's it, and then you leave and you
don't feel great about it because you just woke up
for me five in the morning to come here and
walk on an incline.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I literally had that day yesterday. I woke up five am.
All right, benched dead Today, got in. I was like, treadmill, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And then you're like maybe in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I'm like, wow, just do Yeah. I put it
up like eight what you can go five percent in
line today? Yeah? And then I went in today and
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Like, you gotta do it. But I'm good if I
have something to hold me accountable. And maybe some people aren't,
but that's like if I have a plan. And when
I was lifting in college, we had sheets that we
would write all our weights and then so it pushed
you and I just didn't have that. We can go
through my notes in my phone and see all of
the little like circuits that I find on Instagram, and
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I plug in and I'm going to do that tomorrow.
And then I get there and I'm like, I really
need like no one.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Told me to do this. I think that's the coolest
thing too, Like for you coming here and we get
the entire databasics, you get to see, like, you know,
particularly if you were in the hundredth percentile jump side
for women your age and you're like, what's your club is?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Eighty eighth? See that That's what Will was saying.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, so yeah, if your one hundred percentile for vertical
like then physically lower body power standpoint, like you're explosive,
you should be in the hunt like triple digits.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, that's what he said. He said, if you hadn't
seen anything, he'd be like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You said your cruising speech should be like ninety four.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Easy, easy, tour average higher. Yeah, and yeah, but then
I think that's I think this is an important note
for any of the women listening. Typically we see in
our LPGA girls is they are very very flexible, and
their injury risk is their strength thereof, and they will
feel tight or get tightness like what you're experiencing, because
it's the body's attempt to stabilize. H. So think of it.
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The more motion you have, the more strength you have
to have. Right, So if I get less motion I
need less strength, so your body naturally will actually try
to decrease the motion to match your strength. And so
what we saw it was a really cool thing we did.
We had ten girls all swinging over one hundred, and
they all had back pain, really, and so we did
the thing with them. It was probably three years ago.
We ran them through a program in the off season
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where it was solely to get their dead lifts up
to two hundred pounds total. And once we got their
dead lifts up, those that were at two hundred or
higher and it was one point seven times their body
weight or more, I no longer had back.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Really.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
There was one girl who was she was like six
to two. She had to get along, she had to
get to like two thirty or two fifty the heavier,
but as soon as she got to one seventy five,
backpack off. And so it's it's just really cool thing
that we've seen where it's not how much I mean
to Jerry hunder Miles our club, it'speed, like you got
to be able to move low. So like, yeah, lifting
two hundreds, like that's just an absolute number, but really
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the pain came down so that think of like two
hundred was like the amount of force needs to be
able to produce to move her mouth right, but to
do it safely needed it was really body weight relativity.
And so I think that's a that's a cool message
for any of you listening right now that on the
on the women's side, that strength is honestly the number
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one killer of careers for women. On the men's side,
y'all suck at mobility. A lot of you suck at
strength too. We got unfortunately guys, we kind of suck
at both. But but it's cool because you can look
and see. I think this is one of my coolest
graphs that we do is you'll see, hey, where's your
percentile vertical A glower body, right, So for you, it's
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at one hundred. And then you say, where's your club
has p percentile And it's like sixty. That's a big gap. Yeah, okay.
And then you're like, all right, where's your mobility? And okay,
my hip's not good? My shoulder all right? So now
all of a sudden you have highlighted for you, I
gotta do shoulder, I gotta do hip. And the way
we look at our philosophy, it's kind of like a
I joked the old food pyramid that ended up being
(30:15):
total BF. Yeah, I can't, can we cut? I always
ask you this. I just don't really explicit rating or
not sotal bullshit, right, So but like you know, where's
bread at the bottom. So I joke and we stole
it since it's invalid and we made our own. Now
where we think of like the bottom as mobility. And
if you don't have the foundation of mobility, anything you
build on top of that is potentially problem. So that's
(30:39):
like preeous, like, hey, get my shoulder and get my
hip clean. Great, ye now just maintain the next level
is the strength happens? Yeah, okay, hey, where are we
at that? And so it's like we got to do
a little bit yea yeah right, and then it's like
power numbers. Yeah right, So you're clearly from a power standpoint,
you're your verticals. You're probably gonna set a new hundred
percent dole as your strength gets hired because you already
have elasticity. Sale years of volleyball probably helped that. But
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now all of a sudden it becomes really clear where
do you focus. And now let's say mobility is clean,
like say you come back eight weeks. Mobility is clean
or strength numbers are like trending up or vert your
upper by like power numbers are good. And let's say
you're still swinging Ida, let's cut tht your golf proff
because that's who we would then talk to you next.
(31:23):
But that's where then we go to that top of
the pyramid. Is we call it the core for officiency standpoint,
we'd look at it. We say it's not instruction, it's
efficiency where we say, hey, are the hips moving? First?
Is there an X factor like an X factor stretch occurring?
Our first I guess is their weight shift? Second is
the hips first? Third is there an X factor stretcher?
Then fourth is their speed out front? Chicken late right?
(31:46):
And if those elements are not occurring, it's like, okay,
this is like physically the engine is built, but technically
we don't know how to get it out. Yes, sorry, joker,
there's a gorilla locked in a cage of ye just
kind of get it out.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And that's to me, you know, that's where it's like
for areywell listening, like getting with somebody like Sarah like yourself,
who can then say like take the car, yeah, and
then teach you how to drive it exactly is magical
for people? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, and also I think too, golf is hard and
working out is hard. I wouldn't say that, And I
was under this, like understanding that I needed to love
the gym.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And I did, but then still looking for the first
golfer who loves the gym. I know.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But then now it's like, no, it's okay if we
accept that, like we don't really like it, but we
know that we have to do it. But also like
whether it's swing well, like don't be afraid to be
told where you're not good at things, because like I'm functioning,
and yeah, I mean I hit twelve out of fourteen
fairways probably on average, but I swing at ace and
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I hit it two thirty up the middle when I
can hit it too fifty up the middle just by
getting stronger. So I think that in general, whether it's golf,
whether it's fitness, whatever it is, whether it's life, we
all need to speed more open to learning areas that
maybe we're not great at and then making them that
instead of like I was talking to a guy when
I got here who had a broken shoulder for a year,
(33:10):
and he didn't go get it looked at and then
he went got it, looked at it, and it was
broken for a year. So it's like we same kind
of with me. I mean, this hip thing's been going
on for probably like six months and it actually it
popped up in my knee when I was like, I
hope it didn't hear anything in But I feel like
we wait too long where it's like if you just
go address it now, like yeah, maybe I wish I
(33:30):
came up here and it was like, oh, you've got
some stuff wrong. I'm thrilled that. It's just like you
just need to go lift heavier weights and fix your Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, I I was like the mental framework, what's the upside?
What's the downside? And then if I assume that the
downside is going to happen, I'm okay. Yeah, I think
if people operated with that, you're like, let's we'll use
you for example. So if I go up, what's the
upside of going up? Well I figure out why my
head spugg at me. Yeah, I can swing it faster,
like all the good things, right, Yeah, Well, what's the
downside if I you know, if I don't okay, well,
(33:58):
this just continues it goes into my back, my knees
screwed up. Well, now I can't demo anything. Well, now
I can't do what I need to do for my job. Yeah,
allf sucks. I don't want to play. I hurt like, okay, cool,
so let's assume that happens. You good? Yeah, no, then right,
do something?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, like I don't want to have to I was
saying to Will, like, I'm so happy I came in
because if I would, it hurt my back, like you said, Okay,
now maybe I need surgery or I can't swing. Sarah
Davis is not heck, we don't want that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Not. Well, I think it's just to me, and I
think it's it speaks to the the way that the
body works is where your prop like where your pain
is is not really where your problem is. Right, And
it's so like what you're describing is so stereotypical and
so normal. Yes, it's like like my hips bugging me,
Oh whatever, my knee, Oh gosh, I should do something. Well,
(34:51):
it's not you don't even need doesn't have a problem
or my back or it's coming from the joint above
or below, and that's just so so so common. But yeah,
I joked that when I started I started the business,
it was like a help golfers their fitness. I'm about
like two years in, I'm like, golfers hate fitness, Like
I run a golf fitness I run a fitness business
(35:11):
for people who hate fitness. And that's where it became
really quick, really clear where for me, you know you
mentioned they've ever seen like what we did with the assessment,
like TPI full assessment level one is like sixteen different.
So we've always looked at like, okay, are there, how
do we get like eighty percent ninety percent of the
info and do with like twenty percent of the test.
That's where we have used the stats to come down to,
(35:33):
all right, let's just do like older hips, like it's
gonna what's going to move the needle the most if
we need to get into risk, mobility and all that,
like yeah, sure we will, but like you're gonna if
we go back we talked about in the beginning, leave
with three things. Yeah, one thing, maybe two right by
just doing four test, like looking at four with four
joint like we felt half of them had a problem. Yeah,
and that's one. Two things, Yeah, go for who we
(35:55):
don't right, go do your homework, come back free test
and we'll see where exactly. So I want to be
expect for the time. I know you should be driving
home right now, and I say, I totally jack that
for it still, but where can people find more? Like
follow you, check out, you know what you're doing. Obviously
you should go to kioa.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's wonderful. Instagram. I am big on my Instagram. Are
you guys going to put.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
The We'll put everything in the show notes, yeah, all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
But yeah, so Instagram, I'm big. Instagram's kind of like
my main platform right now. My Twitter hasn't been used
in a while, so you don't have to look there.
But Instagram is good. I communicate, i'd say, with everybody
through that and pretty much.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I mean, it's fantastic. So we will put the h
the handle everything in there in the show notes for
you guys, so you can find that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think we can make it too. Like what I
also want to do with this is like document my
journey with you guys. Yes, you know, like, okay, here,
I am my hip stop great not strong.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
To be honest, you're probably stronger than the average bear.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well I told one of my friends. I'm like, I'm
going to get a finis of the test and he's like,
what to get stronger, you need to get stronger. I'm like,
if you knew how strong I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Was, yeah, I would agree with me.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But it'll be cool to be like, Okay, all of
a sudden, now I'm lifting heavier. Maybe my clubheit speed
sneaks up. And any of my students that watch this
that ask me about clubhead speed, we.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Need to get strong yeah, And I think that's the
cool thing. And for now it may be strength, yeah,
and I definitely there's a mobility component to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but then it may be in eight weeks it may
be Hey, it's you know sequence or you know so,
And I think that's the cool thing for everybody listening.
The journey is like for life, it changes. That's it's
so funny that we have people that are, like most
(37:37):
people are average the first ten weeks throughout like ten
yards about three miles an hour. After the first year
that five seven yards like miles an hour, so up
like twenty yards. Yeah, and they're like okay, I'm good
and you're like, no, what, but dude, how many years
are gonna keep playing it. Yeah, like, oh, you know
till I'm like ninety Yeah, great, that's thirty years from that.
You don't think anything bad is going to happen in
(37:57):
the next thirty years, right, you don't think your boy's
going to change. And they're like they're like, oh, no,
I know what to do. I just did it for
last year and I'm like, yeah, but your body today
is different and then your body was that the program
that you need to do now it's different. Yeah, I
think that's the program actually becomes easier because there's not
much stuff to fix. Maintaining is easier than gaining. And
it's just to your point, it's it's a process, it's
(38:17):
a journey and things are gonna well. What you're leaving
with today will not be what you leave with the
next time. You're so Sarah, thank you so much for
your time. I can't thank you enough. It's been awesome
having you on and for everyone listening, thanks as always
for hanging out with here on the golf of this
Bomb Squad. And we'll catch you in the next episode.
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