July 24, 2025 • 53 mins
The 2000’s is marked with so many trendsetting players that impacted not only their franchises, but the league as a whole. Whether we’re talking international giants, college standouts, high-flying League Pass acrobats, the youngest eventual MVP, or the kid from Akron, we can say without a doubt that these players lived up to the hype! Tune in to listen to us debate which players made our Top 5.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just talking about Blaker's as that number one pick and
being a guy in that draft, like it means somethe
You're the number one pick and one of the best
drafts ever stacked. Like name some of the guys in
the draft, Steph James.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Brandon Jennings, Tyrek Evans, and Ricky Rubio, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Todd Gibson, Like that's a stacked draft, one of the
best ever doing. And if you, I mean, you do
a redraft, he's still Yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Might say he's still safe at one, you know what
I mean, if you remove injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And things of that for somebody, I mean, Steph James,
maybe get that one again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
He might slide. He might slide to three. He might
slide to yeah, because just off longevity, if you really
don't think about it in that way.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
He was what the Clippers needed, Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Because I don't I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
If Steph gives them the Clippers that immediately.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, we might have to give him credit for League
Pass because he had people tuning in the League Pass
on a Tuesday evening, Tuesday night just to see who
he's gonna dunk on.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome Back to another episode of the Goat Dot. What up?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What's good? What's good? Back with another episode, another good topic.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Let's get into.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It right now. We got the greatest number one pick
of the two thousands. We had to switch it up
a little bit. There's so many number one picks in
this game's history, and you know, this one could be
interesting because a lot of players went on to be
something special and some fizzled out. Man, So I'm interested
(01:34):
to talk about the criteria of the overall success of
a number one pick. What do you think is the
overall success when you're drafted number one? Because every year
we get a new number one. But there's a you know,
an expectation, Like you've been on teams that had the
top pick. What is the expectation from veteran guys when
(01:54):
you say, all right, we drafted this guy. What are
your expectations that they come in and they bring to
the team.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I mean when when the team, when that ball
drops and your franchise gets that number one pick, Like,
what is what's the expectation from you for the fan base,
the organization of the players, Like, what is the expectation
To me?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's several things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
One is like, you want a guy that's gonna be
there the cornerstone of your franchise for like eight to
twelve years, right, you gotta we did the hard part
usually when you make that pick. Yeah, the organization did
the hard part, which is partly luck. You gotta have
somebody like you gotta have a superstar. You want to
find a superstar in this spot. Usually with a first
round draft pick or even a lot of you pick
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you're happy with the rotation guy. When it comes to
that number one pick, that's not enough. You got to
be a superstar. You gotta be a perennial all star.
You gotta be somebody that can also in grade itself
into the community. Like that's our guy, he's in the community.
I mean we rolling with him, like I said, for
ten for ten plus years hopefully.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
When you when you that number one pick, you come
in there most of the time you're going to a
bad team. You ask to save that franchise and save
that organization and get them back on the right track.
And that's what we're going to get into today. Like
what are the guys that did that, and what are
the guys that who are the guys that are fell
short in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I think it's really interesting that you pointed out how
important a guy's integration into community matters, right, because that's
the sole cornerstone of investment, right, the belief whether you struggle,
the development, how long they ride with you, as far
as the contract extension, the rookie extension, et cetera. How
long you're gonna keep this guy to invest in, you know,
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their career. And I don't think a lot of people
go into that. I think they look at it as hey,
I got to be a media successful I gotta do this,
Look at my team, I don't have enough help, et cetera.
But how do you feel about being called a bust? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't really think players are technically bust. I think
the expectations are kind of over proceding, right because I
think you get your name called that's you made it,
you know what I mean? And I think that's where
fans get a little disrespectful. And obviously they have these expectations, Hey,
we picked you, You're supposed to be good. But sometimes
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you're drafted into a bad spot. Sometimes it doesn't really
work out, And I think those are the things as
a player, you know what I mean that people and
fans don't really kind of think about. So there's a
lot of people on this list that we're going to
talk about that it didn't work out the best, But
I don't think they technically were busted. I think that
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if the if we viewed it as you're drafted number one,
as think about if the draft was quote unquote week right.
We hear that turned often and sometimes we're wrong. But
you're drafted, you're the best available player in that spot.
You're ready to play right now, so you don't have
to develop. You don't need a year two or year
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three for them to come in. They can play some
city serious minutes and eventually replaced the god that they
already have, which is a vet that maybe you know
they don't want to pay or this, that and the third.
I think those are the true aspects of feeling your
You know, it's because we don't get too many Lebron's shacks.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, it's all relative.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, it's all relative as far as what's the expectations
of you as a player, what draft you in, Like
you said, some drafts are better than others, like who
you drafted over like and certain like if you say
you draft your a guy drafted over in MJ, those
expectations level is going to rise. And I mean like
it or not. The bus word is thrown out there.
Sometimes it fits, it fits sometimes your I mean it's
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not personal always. Sometimes it's you didn't work hard enough.
Sometimes you have the injuries. Sometimes you reach your potential,
and your potential was your Your expectations were too high.
That's other people did it to you. Organization did it
to you. The fan base did it to you. It's
not your fault. Sometimes it is your fault. Like I said,
So that's things you gotta discuss when it comes to
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a player in their career, when you draft number one overall,
that's why that's why this is such a fun topic.
And you look back on it, like and we thought
that was the guy. We thought that was the bona
fide number one pick. But there's two number two or
three might have been that one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Before we talk about number one. Who are some number
twos that you felt should have been number one?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean, straight off top KD right, Okay, KD is
the number two that It's like you knew KD.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You knew KD was gonna be It was just the.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, they're looking at their roster like we got LaMarcus Aldridge,
we got Brander. Yeah, exactly, we need a big this
is still a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We need to They were drafting for Fit and they
felt like his ceiling might have been a little bit higher.
And you look at the way the game was somebody
sometimes you gotta take yourself back into that era and
like this is the way the game was playing. And
two three years later the system changes like this copycat
league teams started playing different and all of a sudden,
you don't need a center, right, you might might need
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that wing.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So Katie's definitely one of them that comes to mind
for me.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't think the Bulls made the wrong pick. I
think they make the right pick. I think if Michael
Beasley becomes number one and ends up in Chicago, his
trajectory is much different because Derek ros happened to play
alongside Dwayne Wade. What do we you know what I mean,
Like we're looking at it like, okay, the one two
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is he used the same? Does he get the same looks?
Is he comfortable even playing in that spot and.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
D Row and d Roe's going obviously the Ro's going
back to Chicago. Putting that that franchise in that city
on his back added to his lure, add to his story.
So if de Rose that guy, not only if he
went to Miami, but is he that guy if you
if he didn't go to Chicago, right, all that plays
into it?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, no, absolutely, all right. We talked about number two's,
we talked about criteria. Let's jump straight into it. You know,
we got to start it off with Lebron James. Man,
I've seen a clip floating around on the internet about
the best players coming out of high school and all
these things. But this dude, man, Lebron, I don't even
know how to even you know, he's still going. That's
(08:15):
the crazy part about it. We're talking about the greatest
number one pick of two thousands and this man is
still playing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, these are those things that make you think,
is the lottery rigged him? And we talked about d
Rose for a second, but this, like, is the lottery rigged?
Like these guys, So the city they grew up in
and where that from, all of a sudden, it's the
number one pick the year they're coming out, right, So
it's like it's like storybooks tales written for them to
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go play for these organizations. And Lebron is, I mean,
obviously the number one pick. If he came out as
a sophomore high school, a junior in high school, and
when he came out, he's that guy, like a generational pick,
number one, just the chosen one. He put it on
himself and he lived up to the bill, Like he
came in right away. Was it musty musty player? Every
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time he came into your town. He embraced the community.
Obviously that's where he's from. He was doing everything on
and off the floor the right way to change that
organization around. So you got to give him credit for that.
Even though he didn't win a championship right away, he
was what you want out of a number one pick,
out of a franchise alternate player.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Twenty three seasons, four time champion, four time finals, MVP,
all time scoring champ, twenty one All Star appearances, three
time All Star MVP, Rookie of the Year, twenty one
time All NBA, six time All defense in NBA, seventy
fifth Anniversary team member and nd season tournament MVP. Right, yes,
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we have to put a little asterisk on the nd
season turn.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let me ask you a question, yep, let me ask
you a question.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Say Lebron Lee no Lebrons in Cleveland, plays the first
part of his career in Cleveland and leave, Say he
never comes back. Was he a disappointment somewhat because he
never won a championship in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Not to me, Not to me, Not to me, because
I think the individual accolades. I'll wait, even if he
never won, I wouldn't be doing that just because I
res I mean, I'm looking at it different. A fan
may say yes because they're gonna how they try to
do k and say, oh, you had to get staff
to win, you know what I mean? Like and it's
like it's a collaborative thing, like they all work together
(10:33):
for one common goal. Basketball is a team sport, but
the narrative Michael Jordan quote unquote doing it by itself,
certain players doing it by themselves has kind of mucked
up that storytelling that people think that you had to
be this said player. Because if that's the case, then
you got shack as the first option with the Lakers,
and now those first three with Kobe don't matter. So
(10:55):
I think we move the goal posts for certain players,
and I think Lebron is still one of I like
to claim him as the greatest player in social media
era of all time.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I do, no matter that, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's not a disappointment to me, just because he lived
up to the bill as far as he said, the accolades,
he brought the MVPs, he was all perennial, All NBA.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And he's won in multiple he won in multiple franchises.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He was that guy. So like the hard part was
taken care of.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now once you find that guy's on the organization to
put the team around him. And looking back on it,
like some of the team building that they did in
Cleveland while he was there that first time was awful,
Like they had some bad teams and like they weren't
putting the right guys, the right people around him to
give him a chance to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So like he did for the most part, he did
his part. He was hooping.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
See, I don't necessarily think it was awful. I do
think that if Boston doesn't go bake that big swing
to shake everything up right, because that made that kind
of lifted the levee of like, oh you could do that,
that's okay to go make that type of trade, you
know what I mean, because it was kind of very
taboo of like I got my own team. You got
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your own team over there. You got your own team
over there, and we're gonna figure it out with whatever
group I got.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
You didn't have to stack it. I'm not saying they
had to stack it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
No, they didn't have to stack it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's what they had.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But that's what they went to.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, but the boozers and but that's but that's why
I'm the best that could bring in that.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I mean, they were getting guys that were kind of
like Larry Hughes, guys that can actually contribute. They just
didn't have sexy names. I think the thing is how
we looked at Lebron was he was going to eventually
win one if I th I think if he stayed.
I think at the at the point he got impatient
because we were all like, all right, you twenty five,
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we gonna win one, you know what I mean, like
and not looking at God, this dude's only in a six.
And because we were so young and watching Michael Jordan run,
you know, like win, instead of watching him go through
his own personal struggles with those Eastern Conference teams, the
Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We have social medias, so social media and the media
pressure in general. Similarly, similar like he talked about AKD,
similar situation, him not being the number one pick, but
him being that guy and then feeling like he then
doesn't have enough around him to win a championship. That's
all he needs to do. Like I got one MVP.
I'm as good as I'm as good as it gets
in this league. I don't have the team around me.
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If I stay here and I don't win one I didn't,
I'm taking all the blame, like so they're pushing me
to leave and then so it's like a KESSWI two.
I can't win either way.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We'll rank this, but I think we know the answer
of the greatest one for this one. But yeah, you know,
he makes a strong he makes an easy call on this,
all right. Dwight Howard two thousand and four number one pick,
one time champion, eight time All Star, three time Defensive
Player of the Year, eight times All NBA, five time
rebound Champ, two time Blockchamp, first ballot Hall of Famers,
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still trying to play. You don't want to hang it
up yet he's literally going to the Hall of Fame,
and yet still trying to compete, still acting teams for
one more shot because he got to get it out
of system. But at the end of the day, how
good was Dwight Howard? You know again, After Shaq went
to the Lakers, people wrote the magic off saying they
would never recover from this. They end up with this pick.
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They draft him out of high school. He becomes immediately
effective one of the greatest defensive players in the two
thousands era we've ever seen, you know what I mean,
robbed us of a Lebron Kobe NBA Finals. How good
was Dwight Howard?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh? As good as it gets? As good?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
One of the best number one picks ever, like comes in,
changes your franchise, eventually brings you to an NBA Finals,
doesn't win at all of them in Orlando, but get
you to the then to the mountaintop, and doing it
his way, like they put a good team around him
in Orlando, as far as putting the shooting around him
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with all those guys Hido, JJ with Jamie and Nelson,
all those and it started with him. Yeah, there's that
number one pick now the white so like like, I feel.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Like he should have stayed too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He kind of messed up his longtime legacy bouncing around
and if he would have stayed in Orlando, he could
have They could have did some stuff as well. But
I mean as far as coming in being that number
one pick, living up to the bill, Like you remember
like the argument in his draft is it him or
Mecca Ogleford, Like yeah, everybody was like, oh, it's I
remember the bobcast because I was a shot at the
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bodcast had a number two pick and everybody was like, oh,
even if we don't get number one on Mecca, Mecca
might might be better than the white paper.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Mecca was one of the most decorated college collegiate athletes,
coming out like top to bottom, like you just ain't seen.
And I think the question about Dwight Howard was his immaturity,
you get what I'm saying. And in a very old league,
you know what I mean, Like this, they still was
wearing suits when Dwight came in. It wasn't like a
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you got full like now you get drafted, you're the
guy like you.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Literally hilarious the time back then, like yes, when you
have super religious Christian Dwight, like like his whole image was, yes, sir,
how good of a person? Yes, sir, Southern country. How
quickly that changed?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, I mean, and then we get a whole you know,
drama off the court where it's exposed, it's certain people involved,
which I hate that for him, you know what I mean,
because it put a black cloud over his, you know,
his career. And obviously he bounced around, and I'm glad
that he still was able to get a you know,
a championship with the Los Angeles Lakers. But that stuff
plays in effect where guys gotta feel pressure to go
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elsewhere or you know, it ain't working out or it's
bad blood, you know what I mean with that first
team that drafted him. But definitely one of those guys
that should be discussed. Most people think that he should
have won more. I know, he dealt with a back
injury that really kind of altered that a lot, you
know what I'm saying, So you know.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
My top seventy five.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Also that's a political move. Come on, man, but you
look at this one. Do you take him or Dame.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
D White the White I be guy, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Personally felt that too. But again I felt like Literle
would have been the top hundred the next go around
him and Common get in on the next one. But
I think that was a slight towards just guys just
not really rocking with him. Maybe a shock thing. I
don't know. I don't know what the call out is
on that of who can keep who off? Who votes
to how does that even go? But he definitely should
(17:46):
have been top seventy five, like we hadn't seen nothing
like it like that.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He also got the whole package, the number one pick
as far as being a great player like helping your
team win games, but also being that entertainment product box office,
like he was putting on a show. He was playing
to the media, playing to the fans in the duck contest,
winning duck contest, like commercials everywhere. He was following in
those shack footsteps of I want to be a personality
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off the floor too, and I mean all that comes
to being that franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Guys, like I said, yeah, for sure, this next one,
they you know, y'all means, right, you only played eight seasons,
was able to be an eight time All Star, five
time All NBA All rookie, you know what I mean.
And when you really think about this, they put him
up against Shack immediately. Now Shock is that it's most
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dominant three p era. You know, they teased him a
little bit and then y'all started to get better over
time competing. Obviously had that bad foot, it just really
couldn't get over it. But I thought he rose to
the occasion, especially for you know, all the pressure he
had representing China and also just being a big man
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in such a big man league.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, he was a really good player, like solid, like
from day one. It's really good, Like you said, when
toe to toe with Shock, and this is the NBA
height machine being put to work right away. Everything was
like they were trying to obviously trying to move the
NBA over to to Europe and and China and make
a global So y'all coming in at the right time
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set that off, and he hit the ground running.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Like you said.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It was just obviously unfortunately his cut short with the
injuries and his side played a big part in that.
But as far as his talent, and his play that
was an easy number one pick for the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Every season he played, he was an All Star.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, and box office. He made a lot of money
for his teammates too, as far as you know, like
and Steve Fens and like to this day, those guys
are still more famous than the superstars the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Absolutely, We're gonna take a quick break, but when we
come back, we got a story about Blake Griffin and
also how he changed the viewership. Mister League passed himself.
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This next guy, Blake Griffin, the interesting situation. Could we
put an asterisk? He's part of Steph's class, but he
was a rookie in twenty ten he got injured. He's
also the highest paid player out of that resign of
that draft. Blake Griffin, six time All Star, five time
All NBA Rookie of the Year. Also Clippers legend. You
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know what I mean. He basically lifted a franchise or
a franchise that was ridiculed for many years. Part of
the live city. Between him and Chris Paul, they're the
greatest Clippers of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
To me, low bar, low.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Bar, But you know what I mean. At the end
of the day, They're a city that needed hope. You
know what I mean, Because like when you think about
Charlotte Bobcats and not Charlotte Hornets, you think about Kimball Walker,
you think about Joe Wallace, you know, those franchises that
are quote unquote not bottom tier, but like guys that
played extremely hard for a franchise that maybe needed more
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help than they they could get. So I feel like
in that point, you know, it was rough to see
the Detroit Pistons, Blake the you know, Brooklyn nets Blake,
you played with Blake, Do you got any stories about
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No Blake hilarious, Like You're gonna have a great media
career once he retired, just because big time personality. But
just talking about Blake as that number one pick and
being a guy in that draft, like it means somethe
You're the number one pick and one of the best
drafts ever stacked. Like name some of the guys in
the draft, Steph James.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Brandon Jennings, Tyrek Evans, and Ricky Rubio, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Todd Gibson, Like that's a stack draft, one of the
best ever doing. And if you I mean you do
a redraft he's still Yeah, he might.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Still say he's still safe at one, you know what
I mean, if you remove injuries and.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Things of that, somebody, I mean, Steph James, maybe get
that one again.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He might slide. He might slide to three, he might
slide to Yeah, because just off longevity, if you really
don't think about it in that way.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He was what the Clippers needed, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Because I don't I don't, I don't know. I don't
know if Steph gives them the Clippers that immediately.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that was one of the most exciting summer leagues
I've ever seen. Rebound and pushing the ball up. We're like,
oh no, he didn't played gliffing the goods like dunking
on people in summer league.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Some of he had. He had the desert jumping that year,
and he.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Was compared to a Sean Kemp, you know what I
mean for a while until he developed the jump shot
and was able to you know, spread the floor a
little bit and you know, make a living off there.
But yeah, definitely one of the most exciting players man.
He used to catch a lot of bodies, a lot
of bodies. Man. He had some of some of the
greatest dunk highlights I've seen outside of Vince Carter.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We might have to give him credit for League Pass
because Lee he had people tuning in the League Pass
on a Tuesday evening, Tuesday night just to see who
He's gonna dunk on. So Blake was one of them,
one of the number one picks who cut the lights on.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Shouts to BG.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Man, poo DEENI Man, the great pool DEENI Dereck rose
the Chicago Sun Man, one of the greatest what if stories,
or we can actually say he did because again, three
time All Star, MVP, Rookie of the Year, All Rookie,
Let's talk about Derek rose I was a bullsh fan.
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I probably got off the train maybe two years ago.
But Dereck rose Man one of the dude I living
in Milwaukee got a chance to watch that Central Division
match up four times a year, and he would just
come rip everybody's heart off, like, didn't talk too much,
gon't do his things, step back strong. He loved him.
In twenty eleven that the MVP season where he had
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to go against the Big three in Miami, like it
just was some pride man. And it sucks that he
got hurt. Man, but his impact.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
He probably you know they talk about a killed car
being a crime stopper. He might have been the crime
stopper in Chicago, bro, because when play it was not
it wasn't like that. Everybody was showing love.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To d Rose.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Ain't know what if to me, that's what what was like.
He was that guy coming in right away. Like talk
about pressure, bron Yeah, like most some people usually kids
get drafted or go to college, like we gotta get
him out of the city, out the state, like he don't
want to be home.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
He embraced it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Another one of those is the is the is the
lottery ball?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Is the draft fake? Like rigged? It worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
For him, maning to going to Chicago when they needed
it after Jordan, like they were dead for that long period.
He came in, revived the city, revived the organization and
was hooping.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Man got hurt, has some off the court stuff going on.
Still dropped fifty, still was able to be effective, still
a great leader, took it in stride, left on his own.
I mean most.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
People do them.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That duo him Bulls and the and Adidas. Yeah, that
media hype train was just unreal. Yeah, they could they
asked some they did some fire stuff man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, absolutely, Man Shouston d rose Man one of the
he did guys, not what if Andrews Oh my goodness,
two thousand and five blockchamp. I mean one time All NBA,
All Rookie, All Defense, and one time champion thanks to
your brother and the goch State Warriors. You know what
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I mean. That trade still is one of the most
interesting trades.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I got a front seat to that. I remember when
a sly a play of Phoenix Suns player that I
will not name, slightly nudged him and he broke his
arm and messed up the Bucks first round chances. But
uh yeah, him getting traded for Monte Ellis was still
one of the craziest deals and it kicked off one
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of the you know, turn the franchise around.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, that's one of those like bark ninety like women.
When he was that draft was going on, I didn't
even know who he was the draft night. I ain't
know what he looked like, nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I watched him in Utah.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He was pretty with jerious guy.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Man, he was skilled, he had good hands, But I
thought that I thought that Erro was changing. I'm gonna
just be honest, like you know, Oh for Dwight Howberd
was one thing, but like drafting a non athletic big,
I just was like, I don't know if it's gonna
really translate, because he had good chance it would.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Death one of those. He's not like one of those.
I'm gonna dominate you with thirty and fifteen like he was.
I'ma I'm gonna beat a hub on office. I'm gonna
pass the ball. I mean, I can give you enough
fund on the block to keep you on the scoring
the ball. But I'm really a pastor. I'm a great defender,
protecting around block shots move. But he ain't like that, say,
he ain't like that Dwight, that Blake Griffin, who's just
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box office who you have to go see when he
comes to town that night. That's never who's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, my closest comp And I just think that Sengoon's
a little bit faster than him and a little bit
you know, have a little bit more to room to
spread the floor. But passing wise, just basketball, Iq Bogic
was just like the perfect pickup for the Warriors, you
know what I mean, he knew when it set the screen.
He knew how to hand it off. He didn't really
get real pissy when he didn't get the ball. He
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understood how great Steph Curry was, and you gotta be
that type of player in order to succeed, you know
what I mean, Especially getting him at that point of
his career, You know what I mean, he still could
have went to like I said, Indiana Pacers, or he
could have went to the Bulls and been effective, you
know what I mean. Like, so acquiring him in fifteen
for that finals run was just like, you know, it
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was just you know, pairing him up with you know,
Draymond and all those guys. It worked out.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Now I had to take I had to take a
look because I'm like, who else was in this draft?
Because it's kind of it's kind of suspect, like was
this a weak draft? Who was in his draft?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Chris Paul and Darren Williams say, yeah, you look and
his CP D will Well. The biggest The biggest fuss
was Marv going to Marvin Williams. Right, Marvel Willings had
an amazing UH National title game off the bench, and
he was drafted off potential. He's probably the one player
I felt that patience was literally used in that pick
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of developing. He became a solid contributor to the to
the league, but they literally allowed him to develop. And
the Hawks really needed a point guard at that time
and passed on Darren Williams and CP. CP felt like
the obvious choice, you know what I mean, But I
understand O five was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It was still that time where like you needed a
big every team felt like, oh, we need a center.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We needed the CD before a guard anytime, Yeah, anytime,
you know what I mean. That's why the Ola candies,
you know what I mean. Like he's another guy in
ninety eight where you're like, how is he going over
Vince Carter, you know what I mean, Like, but you
know he was dunking. He had his stet the record
for medicine ball dunks in the pre draft. Like it's
just for certain things that she's just like, why does
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that matter now? But it just was just like a
cool thing. If you had a sick bench press, you
might go top ten, you know what I mean. Like
they used to try to kill k because he didn't
have a bench press. It's just you know, those are
the weird things that stick out. And now y'all got
a little bit more leverage because you're focusing on more
basketball things.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
So now we go from that to what was the
next guy?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was definitely in a weak draft, right got Kenya Martin
two thousand draft Kenyan Martin? What do you think about
him as the number one pick in his career overall?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think realistically of the guys that came out, he
was the best. But he was a huge gamble because
he broke his leg injured when he was injured when
he drafted. When he was drafted, so it was kind
of like, is he going to be the same, and
everybody kind of believed in that. So that Cincinnati team,
Steve Logan all, they was nice brou and it was
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must must see TV, you know what I'm saying. So
I understood it. But he landed in the right spot
and he almost was kind of like the archetype of
what we see now where guys get to go and
get it. He didn't have to have a jump shot.
He really just kind of he played very strong, He
played bigger than what he was. He could be a
great help side defender. He was vocal. He intimidated a
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lot of players without even actually throwing a punch. You
get what I'm saying, Like, yeah, that's the thing, you
know what I mean, Like his his rep carried more
than anything, and connecting with Jay Kidd, Richard you know,
like him and Richard Jefferson, like they they were flying
and adding Vince Carter to that mix, like those dudes were.
You know, they got two NBA Finals appearances back to back.
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You know, even though they ran up against a very
tough Los Angeles Lakers team, they were really really good.
And you mentioned the two thousands class of Mike Miller
if you want to highlight them with those guys Jamal
Crawford and Michael Redd, but not very strong class, you know.
I mean a lot of guys changed their family lives
because of this weak draft.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, and like he yeah, what kind of like you
brought it up, boy, that kind of what added to
his legacy and his story is the number one pick
was the team building around him, like you brought in Jkid,
like you said, Richard Jefferson, Vince I think he played
with Vincent in New Jersey, Like yeah, they put a
good team around him. So like it wasn't like we
were not disappointed in k Martin he wasn't done. He
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got traded to He got traded to Denver.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And still became effective. I think it almost not only
boosted it because he was playing with Mellow and Iversen,
so like he played with a lot He played a
lot of good basketball with a lot of winning teams.
I think even with him being a you know, an
analyst of the game now he can say a lot
because he has a lot of experience. I just think that,
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you know, the flow of the show kind of outweighs that.
But at the end of the day, he was he was.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
He was like that, Yeah, yeah, we're looking at overall
career like and you certainly are, but like I kind
of weigh a little bit more when I'm doing my rankings,
Like I weigh a little bit more of what you
did with the team that drafted you. Yeah, that's kind
of once you get traded a number one pick, unless
it's early.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Like Andrew, he got a case Man two finals back
to back.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He wasn't like a perennial All Star, Like, he wasn't
like an All NBA guy in New Jersey, but they
had a great team.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
One time All Star, All rookie.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, so like I wouldn't say Nets fans that were disappointed.
And k Mart is the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I think six was a little tricky, right, Toronto had
number one pick Andrea Bartnani. Who is we're talking about, right,
And it's the influx of European bigs that came in.
Guys were looking for the next Dirk you know what
I mean. He could spread the ball, you know what
I mean a little bit, shoot it a little bit.
But like obviously he ended up on the blooper side
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of things mostly when you look at his career stats.
He actually would get paid in this era. I think
the expectations were just a little bit high. Him and
Kwame Brown are kind of coupled in that situation. They
would make a lot of money being serviceable role players.
But funny story about this, I was around this. This
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is my intro to the NBA, my first time being
around the NBA. Marcus Williams was a good friend of mine.
He had some off the court stuff going on during
college and he was projected number.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
One pick that year that year.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay, and Canada was just not They was not going
with that. They didn't. They didn't see it. They didn't
see it beyond you know, so he went back, he
went back to school, right, No, Marcus went twenty second.
He slid oh that far? Okay, yeah, yeah, wow. He
was considered he was considered a risk in Canada.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Was he taking it? No, he was not.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He's trying to go number one, but they just did.
Toronto wasn't rocking with him. He had he had a
great workout, he was out working Rondo. A couple of
guys in that trap in that in that draft, you
know what I mean. Yeah, but it just was, you know,
they couldn't do it. And as it went, most people
had guards from that oh four oh five. So because
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he you know, collegiately, he competed against the Chris Paul's,
the Taiwan Yeah, you know what I mean, dealing with
those who's my boy from uh Villanova, like Scottie Reynolds,
them guys, the Randy Foys of the world, you know
what I mean, Alan Ray's. You know, when you think
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about in those type of matchups, those guards were there,
but he was clearly on paper still that that's they
were still looking for Pats first guys. So he would
have been on paper one of the guys to go
number one, but Barnyanni you know, established it and he
went and he was drafted to be j kids back up.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, this is like one of the first European guys
to get that number one pick, right, Like, we don't
know who we're not familiar with us as.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
A lot of people who because I for sure didn't know.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Who he was, no idea who he was. And then
this is still when like you teams would take four
year college guys like they weighed heavily good, like you
could still be a good four year college player get
drafted like you had to Adam Morrison's JJ reddicks in
his draft, Sheldon Williams like college still Madden, Like it
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wasn't just upside, it was like what you could what
could you be now? So Barianni coming in is highly
skilled and he ended up being a good, solid players
just like ten years already he was the three. If
he was the number three pick, everybody would be happy.
He wouldn't be winning.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, it's just a lot of pressure that came with that.
But I think it was just you look at that,
you look at that draft a few things behind the
scenes that guys maybe didn't, you know what I mean,
because like think about that, like Phoenix drafted Rondo, Rondou
was traded to Boston, you know what I mean, Like
everybody was still trying to figure out those things, and
it was it was quite interesting, man. But Sholosta Scholasta Barnianni,
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I don't think he got the fair shot of looking
to be the next Dirk.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, he kind before his time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he probably would have been,
you know, a spread for you know, one of these guys,
he would have be. He probably would have did his
thing in this era. Greg Oden injury riddle. I feel like,
you know, Portland did a good job with Dane not
getting caught in the injury bug thing. But like for
a while, that was it was.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It was.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It was a thing, Sam Bouie, the greg Oden's of
the world, the Brandon Royd's of the world, a lot
of their top picks. You know, we mentioned earlier that
you know, the Blazers passed on kd, which rightfully so
they had guys like LaMarcus Ardridge on the team and
Brandon Royd. I don't know how that would have fit.
It probably would have fit in the current day, but
I don't don't think they were seeing it as how
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can these guys share the rock?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, like Odin, it was a name you were
hearing for two or three years before the draft, like
him and Mike Conley on the same team AU team
going to Ohio State, just just hoopers on the same team.
So I don't think like obviously, like I said earlier,
you knew KD was one of those ones, he was
gonna be a all time great scorer in that draft,
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but it was like, we can't pass up on Greg
because we needed we need Biggs, and he's we're trying to.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Be one of the best.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Now we're trying to comp be and he still might
be one of the best bigs of all time. Like
his his his floor is pretty high and his ceiling
can be up there, like you can win. The thought
back then was win winning championships with centers and bigs,
like like, you have a great scorer in KD. But
like the main thought back then was like, that's not
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really what leads you to championships. His defense and having
that big, that hub in the mold of a shock
or guys like that to Tim Duncan, who who he
can run your offense through and throw it to. So
I mean they had good, good upside for Greg, but
like the injury bug bit them and I mean you
can't really do too much about that, Like it was
just an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean he was around for that twenty thirteen
Miami Heat title. He did not get a ring, unfortunately,
but shouts to Greg Golden going back to Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
One big Hoop, one big Hoo's questionable busts as far
as the injuries and Greg Golden and another one who
in Kwame Brown round. A lot of people say it's
the ultimate bust as far as just wasn't wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, and I sympathized with
karm Brown. I think obviously you know the outside conversations
and he's an easy target to pick on in that
in that draft shadow I was. I was around this
for the first time too because I was in high
school with Tyson Chandler at the time, and I learned
how to pre draft actually worked, you know what I mean,
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You're working out for these guys, and he knew that
the Clippers was going to take him at too, you
know what I mean, because he had an ankle injury.
He had the first serious injury of his career first
Inglewood High School against Angelo Collins and you know the Wizards.
Michael Jordan wanted somebody who could play now, and he
felt like cool Kwami Brown was like he wanted to honestly,
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he wanted to flip Kwame Brown's the number one pick
to go get somebody, and they were like no, and
He's like, who can play right now? And he felt
like Kwame would have been more available to play now
than Tyson Chandler at that time. You know what I'm saying.
Pau Gasol was still.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Because he knew and all this go.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You think of all everything that was going on, Like
mj was playing, he was making these decisions.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But he was, yeah he was playing.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He play too, So it was like me, I need
I need somebody that can rock with me.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean, it's my legacy too.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
At the end of the day, he averaged in the game,
we had almost almost ten rebounds double double average. But again,
when you think a number one pickt you're thinking twenty
points a game.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, he was. He was. He was solid, solid.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I just don't just think in that era, no one
would have succeeded being drafted by the Wizards at that
point because of the expectation. You get what I'm saying, Like,
I don't think, no matter what, whoever's in that spot
is not going you know, like the team wasn't fixed
for that. Michael Jordan came from down to sell tickets.
It was literally a business move. Hey, I acquired this.
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Oh we're struggling, let me do this, and then I'm out.
I did two seasons they cracked under barely forty three wins.
He played on a torn moniscus at forty something, trying
to still do something, and he was overly frustrated. He
tried to trade Kwame Brown multiple times and it just
did not happen.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Side note some of these decisions and well MJ presidents
and how he brought up Kwame, does that play into
his trajegacy? Like, no, his legacy as a guy like
you see bron or other people like how they in
their forties and how they accident in the game or whatever.
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But this MJ's failure as an owner as a late
in his career, is that playing to his legacy is
at all of you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't think so, because I just think that it
was for it was so nasty how it was like
it's very certain stact to me, you know what I mean,
Like I don't I don't think it was. If you're
watching that like live that I'm like, I got a
chance to watch Michael jord throughout the wins. I just
like this is a shell of him. Like I understand
I was old enough to be like, damn, this is
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like the Harlem Globetrotters, like kind of no, no, no,
it counts, it counts, it counts. But it just was
just weird to watch because obviously he had a nasty
spat with the Bulls. They weren't going to pay, they
weren't going to sign anybody back, He wasn't wanting to
play anybody. He always wanted to be an owner. So
the idea to get into the state. But like imagine
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you buying a soccer club and it's just bad, and
it's like, hey, if I could actually just go out
and play like a couple of games and get us,
you be like, all right, let me try something so
I can boost this value. So it was kind of
like a manipulation type thing in order to say, hey,
I can do this thing, and also I can gain value,
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as you know, earning this respect. I think he went
through the lastest part of it being like, all right,
let me acquire Charlotte now.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But I had to kind of ass to you kind
of respect it. As far as he was a he
was pired pioneered anything like this before.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
He pioneered it. But it was very nasty in a
in a in a in a way of messing up,
like putting an asterisk on your career, you know what
I mean. Like it was very it was very flawless
to me into that.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
My only problem was with it. He heard a lot
of careers absolutely a way, but you don't me what
he is.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
The same thing. I feel like, Bron, you don't. You
don't go to the Lakers. You understand why you're going
to Lakers. Like if you tell your agent, A, I'm
trying to get to the Lakers to play Lebron, you know,
it could go great or it can go.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Really bad and your career.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
It's the choice. It's the gravity of it. But it's
a very selfish play. I want to go play with
Mike or I want to do this. It comes with it.
It comes with the territory, you know what I mean, Like,
you know, Mike can't about to win it all, but
is it good for your brand? Because he traded for
Richard Hamilton turned out to be a good player, you
know what I mean, Like he won a title, he
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learned how to win, he understood the thing. But at
the end of the day, it was terrible for a
god like Jerry Stackhouse. It was terrible for guys like
you know what I mean that you know Brandon, Hey,
what them dudes don't like him because it So you
understand because some people were like, yo, I want to
go play Lebron and it wasn't great. You know, would
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you go back?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But the is that one that ship?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
They're like, oh, he'd a got he'd a god. Yeah, absolutely,
So you understand, man. Well, we've went through our two
thousands number one picks. Man, this has been great, Bantuur.
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna give our top five. I can't wait to
hear it. All Right, we're back, man, this is our
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favorite segment, you know what I mean. I'm really curious
to see who had a top five the best, you
know what I mean, we went through some great number
one picks. Dot said, he's looking closely on longevity. Actually
impact with your immediate drafted team. What you really did
with that, that plays a part in his criteria. So Dot,
let me hear your five.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
All right, my number five, I'm rolling with, Yeah, me
number five. Just I mean he was he was boxed off,
but the career was it was short number four Blake Griffin,
uh similar things like he it was seven eight Solard
years in La. So I mean, that's that's the kind
of Let the baseline for a number one pick for me,
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number three, Dwight. Number two is d Rose d Road.
The pressure, like I talked about earlier, the pressure going
into Chicago and doing what he did.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
It's special to me. So my number one, my number.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Two is is d Rose for that number one pick
of the two thousand and one is obviously the easiest
call of easy cause bron number one, I mean, the
chosen one. He knew what the number one pick was
for three four years, Cleveland got it and the rest
is history.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Man, I'm not too far off. I'm not gonna lie
to you.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
My five I'm gonna start with Key and Martin K
mart I'm gonna get k Martin there man shout to
k mart Man. Obviously he was a part of that.
That's not his spoute. He was part of one of
the worst drafts, but he was very effective. He was
a part of those championship Eastern Conference finals New Jersey
nets at the time, So I got to give him
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a nod for that because that matters. Winning matters to me,
and they won a lot of games during that era.
At four, I got Yao mean short career, almost a decade,
played eight seasons a time All Star, effected by injuries,
but global impact, and probably would have did more if
he wasn't sidelined by injuries. Number three, I got Dwight Howard.
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I felt like Dwight is an easy choice right there
at that spot because you know, before he leaves Orlando,
he's one of the big you know he's on pace
to be better than Shack. That's how people felt. But
you know, if he might had a better career than
Shaq as an Orlando Magic that's debatable, but we'll see
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when we think about it. Very debatable, very debatable. I mean,
because Shaq just you know, they both went to different
top once. Topic they both went to the finals once
and they didn't and he didn't play with another player
like Penn Parkway.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Actually, I think he did have a better I'm I'm
a stand he had a better career than Shack in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, so you know, shouts to the real mister Orlando,
Dwight Howard and number two I'm gonna go with d
row Shoutstapool. Youngest MVP played at home. Obviously, he had
a short career in Chicago due to injuries and had
to get shipped out. But still the second half had
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longevity and will most likely be a Hall of Famer.
Uh and of course, unanimous decision Lebron James. It's not
even close. I mean, if we did a couple decades,
we would probably still choose him the greatest basketball player
of the social media era. Off the court, got twenty
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three seasons and counting Steph's biggest rival, you know what
I mean? And uh, you know, I don't know when
this guy's gonna stop playing basketball. We're the same age
and he's still playing. My body hurts. I don't know
how he doesn't. That's it. This is our list. The
greatest number one picks of the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Were on the same way. We're on the same wave.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, we was a line man.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
We was a line when.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Y'all listening to this, to all the fans, tap in
with us, if we're missing anything in these top fives
or whatever, let us know.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, absolutely I would love to be proven wrong. But
also here more of a case for other guys, you
know what I mean, That's definitely why.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
We do this.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna do our favorite segment, Born in the Wrong
All right, let's go into our born in the Wrong
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era segment.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Who you were kind of hinted at it.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I don't know if I mean you kind of brought
it up, but I had it written down and this
is I mean, I can just see it right now.
I can see our dream bonnyarn he playing in our
in our league today, like where he could shoot the ball,
play the four or five. You could be a hub,
he could pass, he can put the ball on the
floor just enough, he could post up just enough. So
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just him in this system today where he's shooting more
three spread out kind of a he had kind of
had the soft label for the European soft label that
was a lot of guys are being put on him.
But he has some toughness, some toughness in that he
could hoop straight up. Just I would like to see
him in today's league and see what he could do.
I think he was just a little before his time
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as far as being that number one pick and not
living up to the bill.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I'm gonna go with Kwame Brown. I think Kwame Brown
would make a lot of money in this league just
because he's very serviceable. That ten points can go a
long way. Everybody these rebounds and he can defend. I
don't know if he would have been drafted number one,
but wherever he ends up as a journeyman, I think
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people would have been kind of trying to pay him.
Like the Pacers could use him right now, you know
what I mean. Like it's certain teams that just were
just you know, work him into action just because he
ain't got to score twenty points, but that tim needed
because it's a guard league, you know what I mean.
And when you think about the actual era of what
is needed, some of these players are not gonna get
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the touches that they think they gonna get yeah, which
changes a whole different dynamic. And I think Kwami would
be okay with less touches but effectiveness and just being
a beast in the paint, you know what I mean.
He's gonna guarantee you rebounds and that rebounds still matter
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
He wanted those that discussion where like I didn't draft
myself like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I didn't pick myself number one. I I want to
be he wants to be number one, but he didn't.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
He didn't put those expectations on himself as being a
hub and a franchise guy.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
I mean, you hit it on the nail. None of
these guys choose to be number one. People choose them.
And when you're chosen, it's a gift and a curse,
and some people own it and some people fail, and
it is what it is. Yeah, all right, man, I
think we've touched all bases. Man. We had a great,
healthy debate. Man. We talked about some great what ifs.
I definitely want to revisit that Orlando Magic conversation at
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some point when we go individual teams, because that's coming.
We're actually gonna start talking about you know, greatest teams
individual teams of that era, which is gonna be a
fun one because you get to break down good and
bad rosters. I want to definitely talk about those Cleveland
Cavaliers years with Lebron to see if he actually did
have a bad team work did he have a good
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team when we look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I can't wait, Man, I go, it's gonna be a
good one.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a good one. All right,
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Just talking about Blaker's as that number one pick and
being a guy in that draft, like it means somethe
You're the number one pick and one of the best
drafts ever stacked. Like name some of the guys in
the draft, Steph James.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Brandon Jennings, Tyrek Evans, and Ricky Rubio, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Todd Gibson, Like that's a stacked draft, one of the
best ever doing. And if you, I mean, you do
a redraft, he's still Yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Might say he's still safe at one, you know what
I mean, if you remove injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And things of that for somebody, I mean, Steph James,
maybe get that one again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
He might slide. He might slide to three. He might
slide to yeah, because just off longevity, if you really
don't think about it in that way.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
He was what the Clippers needed, Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Because I don't I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
If Steph gives them the Clippers that immediately.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, we might have to give him credit for League
Pass because he had people tuning in the League Pass
on a Tuesday evening, Tuesday night just to see who
he's gonna dunk on.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome Back to another episode of the Goat Dot. What up?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What's good? What's good? Back with another episode, another good topic.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Let's get into.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It right now. We got the greatest number one pick
of the two thousands. We had to switch it up
a little bit. There's so many number one picks in
this game's history, and you know, this one could be
interesting because a lot of players went on to be
something special and some fizzled out. Man, So I'm interested
(01:34):
to talk about the criteria of the overall success of
a number one pick. What do you think is the
overall success when you're drafted number one? Because every year
we get a new number one. But there's a you know,
an expectation, Like you've been on teams that had the
top pick. What is the expectation from veteran guys when
(01:54):
you say, all right, we drafted this guy. What are
your expectations that they come in and they bring to
the team.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I mean when when the team, when that ball
drops and your franchise gets that number one pick, Like,
what is what's the expectation from you for the fan base,
the organization of the players, Like, what is the expectation
To me?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's several things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
One is like, you want a guy that's gonna be
there the cornerstone of your franchise for like eight to
twelve years, right, you gotta we did the hard part
usually when you make that pick. Yeah, the organization did
the hard part, which is partly luck. You gotta have
somebody like you gotta have a superstar. You want to
find a superstar in this spot. Usually with a first
round draft pick or even a lot of you pick
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you're happy with the rotation guy. When it comes to
that number one pick, that's not enough. You got to
be a superstar. You gotta be a perennial all star.
You gotta be somebody that can also in grade itself
into the community. Like that's our guy, he's in the community.
I mean we rolling with him, like I said, for
ten for ten plus years hopefully.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
When you when you that number one pick, you come
in there most of the time you're going to a
bad team. You ask to save that franchise and save
that organization and get them back on the right track.
And that's what we're going to get into today. Like
what are the guys that did that, and what are
the guys that who are the guys that are fell
short in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I think it's really interesting that you pointed out how
important a guy's integration into community matters, right, because that's
the sole cornerstone of investment, right, the belief whether you struggle,
the development, how long they ride with you, as far
as the contract extension, the rookie extension, et cetera. How
long you're gonna keep this guy to invest in, you know,
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their career. And I don't think a lot of people
go into that. I think they look at it as hey,
I got to be a media successful I gotta do this,
Look at my team, I don't have enough help, et cetera.
But how do you feel about being called a bust? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't really think players are technically bust. I think
the expectations are kind of over proceding, right because I
think you get your name called that's you made it,
you know what I mean? And I think that's where
fans get a little disrespectful. And obviously they have these expectations, Hey,
we picked you, You're supposed to be good. But sometimes
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you're drafted into a bad spot. Sometimes it doesn't really
work out, And I think those are the things as
a player, you know what I mean that people and
fans don't really kind of think about. So there's a
lot of people on this list that we're going to
talk about that it didn't work out the best, But
I don't think they technically were busted. I think that
(04:37):
if the if we viewed it as you're drafted number one,
as think about if the draft was quote unquote week right.
We hear that turned often and sometimes we're wrong. But
you're drafted, you're the best available player in that spot.
You're ready to play right now, so you don't have
to develop. You don't need a year two or year
(04:57):
three for them to come in. They can play some
city serious minutes and eventually replaced the god that they
already have, which is a vet that maybe you know
they don't want to pay or this, that and the third.
I think those are the true aspects of feeling your
You know, it's because we don't get too many Lebron's shacks.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, it's all relative.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, it's all relative as far as what's the expectations
of you as a player, what draft you in, Like
you said, some drafts are better than others, like who
you drafted over like and certain like if you say
you draft your a guy drafted over in MJ, those
expectations level is going to rise. And I mean like
it or not. The bus word is thrown out there.
Sometimes it fits, it fits sometimes your I mean it's
(05:41):
not personal always. Sometimes it's you didn't work hard enough.
Sometimes you have the injuries. Sometimes you reach your potential,
and your potential was your Your expectations were too high.
That's other people did it to you. Organization did it
to you. The fan base did it to you. It's
not your fault. Sometimes it is your fault. Like I said,
So that's things you gotta discuss when it comes to
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a player in their career, when you draft number one overall,
that's why that's why this is such a fun topic.
And you look back on it, like and we thought
that was the guy. We thought that was the bona
fide number one pick. But there's two number two or
three might have been that one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Before we talk about number one. Who are some number
twos that you felt should have been number one?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean, straight off top KD right, Okay, KD is
the number two that It's like you knew KD.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You knew KD was gonna be It was just the.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, they're looking at their roster like we got LaMarcus Aldridge,
we got Brander. Yeah, exactly, we need a big this
is still a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We need to They were drafting for Fit and they
felt like his ceiling might have been a little bit higher.
And you look at the way the game was somebody
sometimes you gotta take yourself back into that era and
like this is the way the game was playing. And
two three years later the system changes like this copycat
league teams started playing different and all of a sudden,
you don't need a center, right, you might might need
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that wing.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So Katie's definitely one of them that comes to mind
for me.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't think the Bulls made the wrong pick. I
think they make the right pick. I think if Michael
Beasley becomes number one and ends up in Chicago, his
trajectory is much different because Derek ros happened to play
alongside Dwayne Wade. What do we you know what I mean,
Like we're looking at it like, okay, the one two
(07:28):
is he used the same? Does he get the same looks?
Is he comfortable even playing in that spot and.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
D Row and d Roe's going obviously the Ro's going
back to Chicago. Putting that that franchise in that city
on his back added to his lure, add to his story.
So if de Rose that guy, not only if he
went to Miami, but is he that guy if you
if he didn't go to Chicago, right, all that plays
into it?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, no, absolutely, all right. We talked about number two's,
we talked about criteria. Let's jump straight into it. You know,
we got to start it off with Lebron James. Man,
I've seen a clip floating around on the internet about
the best players coming out of high school and all
these things. But this dude, man, Lebron, I don't even
know how to even you know, he's still going. That's
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the crazy part about it. We're talking about the greatest
number one pick of two thousands and this man is
still playing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, these are those things that make you think,
is the lottery rigged him? And we talked about d
Rose for a second, but this, like, is the lottery rigged?
Like these guys, So the city they grew up in
and where that from, all of a sudden, it's the
number one pick the year they're coming out, right, So
it's like it's like storybooks tales written for them to
(08:45):
go play for these organizations. And Lebron is, I mean,
obviously the number one pick. If he came out as
a sophomore high school, a junior in high school, and
when he came out, he's that guy, like a generational pick,
number one, just the chosen one. He put it on
himself and he lived up to the bill, Like he
came in right away. Was it musty musty player? Every
(09:10):
time he came into your town. He embraced the community.
Obviously that's where he's from. He was doing everything on
and off the floor the right way to change that
organization around. So you got to give him credit for that.
Even though he didn't win a championship right away, he
was what you want out of a number one pick,
out of a franchise alternate player.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Twenty three seasons, four time champion, four time finals, MVP,
all time scoring champ, twenty one All Star appearances, three
time All Star MVP, Rookie of the Year, twenty one
time All NBA, six time All defense in NBA, seventy
fifth Anniversary team member and nd season tournament MVP. Right, yes,
(09:53):
we have to put a little asterisk on the nd
season turn.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let me ask you a question, yep, let me ask
you a question.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Say Lebron Lee no Lebrons in Cleveland, plays the first
part of his career in Cleveland and leave, Say he
never comes back. Was he a disappointment somewhat because he
never won a championship in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Not to me, Not to me, Not to me, because
I think the individual accolades. I'll wait, even if he
never won, I wouldn't be doing that just because I
res I mean, I'm looking at it different. A fan
may say yes because they're gonna how they try to
do k and say, oh, you had to get staff
to win, you know what I mean? Like and it's
like it's a collaborative thing, like they all work together
(10:33):
for one common goal. Basketball is a team sport, but
the narrative Michael Jordan quote unquote doing it by itself,
certain players doing it by themselves has kind of mucked
up that storytelling that people think that you had to
be this said player. Because if that's the case, then
you got shack as the first option with the Lakers,
and now those first three with Kobe don't matter. So
(10:55):
I think we move the goal posts for certain players,
and I think Lebron is still one of I like
to claim him as the greatest player in social media
era of all time.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I do, no matter that, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's not a disappointment to me, just because he lived
up to the bill as far as he said, the accolades,
he brought the MVPs, he was all perennial, All NBA.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And he's won in multiple he won in multiple franchises.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He was that guy. So like the hard part was
taken care of.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now once you find that guy's on the organization to
put the team around him. And looking back on it,
like some of the team building that they did in
Cleveland while he was there that first time was awful,
Like they had some bad teams and like they weren't
putting the right guys, the right people around him to
give him a chance to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So like he did for the most part, he did
his part. He was hooping.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
See, I don't necessarily think it was awful. I do
think that if Boston doesn't go bake that big swing
to shake everything up right, because that made that kind
of lifted the levee of like, oh you could do that,
that's okay to go make that type of trade, you
know what I mean, because it was kind of very
taboo of like I got my own team. You got
(12:11):
your own team over there. You got your own team
over there, and we're gonna figure it out with whatever
group I got.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
You didn't have to stack it. I'm not saying they
had to stack it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
No, they didn't have to stack it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's what they had.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But that's what they went to.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, but the boozers and but that's but that's why
I'm the best that could bring in that.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I mean, they were getting guys that were kind of
like Larry Hughes, guys that can actually contribute. They just
didn't have sexy names. I think the thing is how
we looked at Lebron was he was going to eventually
win one if I th I think if he stayed.
I think at the at the point he got impatient
because we were all like, all right, you twenty five,
(12:55):
we gonna win one, you know what I mean, like
and not looking at God, this dude's only in a six.
And because we were so young and watching Michael Jordan run,
you know, like win, instead of watching him go through
his own personal struggles with those Eastern Conference teams, the
Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We have social medias, so social media and the media
pressure in general. Similarly, similar like he talked about AKD,
similar situation, him not being the number one pick, but
him being that guy and then feeling like he then
doesn't have enough around him to win a championship. That's
all he needs to do. Like I got one MVP.
I'm as good as I'm as good as it gets
in this league. I don't have the team around me.
(13:33):
If I stay here and I don't win one I didn't,
I'm taking all the blame, like so they're pushing me
to leave and then so it's like a KESSWI two.
I can't win either way.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We'll rank this, but I think we know the answer
of the greatest one for this one. But yeah, you know,
he makes a strong he makes an easy call on this,
all right. Dwight Howard two thousand and four number one pick,
one time champion, eight time All Star, three time Defensive
Player of the Year, eight times All NBA, five time
rebound Champ, two time Blockchamp, first ballot Hall of Famers,
(14:05):
still trying to play. You don't want to hang it
up yet he's literally going to the Hall of Fame,
and yet still trying to compete, still acting teams for
one more shot because he got to get it out
of system. But at the end of the day, how
good was Dwight Howard? You know again, After Shaq went
to the Lakers, people wrote the magic off saying they
would never recover from this. They end up with this pick.
(14:27):
They draft him out of high school. He becomes immediately
effective one of the greatest defensive players in the two
thousands era we've ever seen, you know what I mean,
robbed us of a Lebron Kobe NBA Finals. How good
was Dwight Howard?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh? As good as it gets? As good?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
One of the best number one picks ever, like comes in,
changes your franchise, eventually brings you to an NBA Finals,
doesn't win at all of them in Orlando, but get
you to the then to the mountaintop, and doing it
his way, like they put a good team around him
in Orlando, as far as putting the shooting around him
(15:05):
with all those guys Hido, JJ with Jamie and Nelson,
all those and it started with him. Yeah, there's that
number one pick now the white so like like, I feel.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Like he should have stayed too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He kind of messed up his longtime legacy bouncing around
and if he would have stayed in Orlando, he could
have They could have did some stuff as well. But
I mean as far as coming in being that number
one pick, living up to the bill, Like you remember
like the argument in his draft is it him or
Mecca Ogleford, Like yeah, everybody was like, oh, it's I
remember the bobcast because I was a shot at the
(15:39):
bodcast had a number two pick and everybody was like, oh,
even if we don't get number one on Mecca, Mecca
might might be better than the white paper.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Mecca was one of the most decorated college collegiate athletes,
coming out like top to bottom, like you just ain't seen.
And I think the question about Dwight Howard was his immaturity,
you get what I'm saying. And in a very old league,
you know what I mean, Like this, they still was
wearing suits when Dwight came in. It wasn't like a
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you got full like now you get drafted, you're the
guy like you.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Literally hilarious the time back then, like yes, when you
have super religious Christian Dwight, like like his whole image was, yes, sir,
how good of a person? Yes, sir, Southern country. How
quickly that changed?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, I mean, and then we get a whole you know,
drama off the court where it's exposed, it's certain people involved,
which I hate that for him, you know what I mean,
because it put a black cloud over his, you know,
his career. And obviously he bounced around, and I'm glad
that he still was able to get a you know,
a championship with the Los Angeles Lakers. But that stuff
plays in effect where guys gotta feel pressure to go
(16:47):
elsewhere or you know, it ain't working out or it's
bad blood, you know what I mean with that first
team that drafted him. But definitely one of those guys
that should be discussed. Most people think that he should
have won more. I know, he dealt with a back
injury that really kind of altered that a lot, you
know what I'm saying, So you know.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
My top seventy five.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Also that's a political move. Come on, man, but you
look at this one. Do you take him or Dame.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
D White the White I be guy, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Personally felt that too. But again I felt like Literle
would have been the top hundred the next go around
him and Common get in on the next one. But
I think that was a slight towards just guys just
not really rocking with him. Maybe a shock thing. I
don't know. I don't know what the call out is
on that of who can keep who off? Who votes
to how does that even go? But he definitely should
(17:46):
have been top seventy five, like we hadn't seen nothing
like it like that.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He also got the whole package, the number one pick
as far as being a great player like helping your
team win games, but also being that entertainment product box office,
like he was putting on a show. He was playing
to the media, playing to the fans in the duck contest,
winning duck contest, like commercials everywhere. He was following in
those shack footsteps of I want to be a personality
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off the floor too, and I mean all that comes
to being that franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Guys, like I said, yeah, for sure, this next one,
they you know, y'all means, right, you only played eight seasons,
was able to be an eight time All Star, five
time All NBA All rookie, you know what I mean.
And when you really think about this, they put him
up against Shack immediately. Now Shock is that it's most
(18:38):
dominant three p era. You know, they teased him a
little bit and then y'all started to get better over
time competing. Obviously had that bad foot, it just really
couldn't get over it. But I thought he rose to
the occasion, especially for you know, all the pressure he
had representing China and also just being a big man
(19:00):
in such a big man league.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, he was a really good player, like solid, like
from day one. It's really good, Like you said, when
toe to toe with Shock, and this is the NBA
height machine being put to work right away. Everything was
like they were trying to obviously trying to move the
NBA over to to Europe and and China and make
a global So y'all coming in at the right time
(19:25):
set that off, and he hit the ground running.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Like you said.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It was just obviously unfortunately his cut short with the
injuries and his side played a big part in that.
But as far as his talent, and his play that
was an easy number one pick for the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Every season he played, he was an All Star.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, and box office. He made a lot of money
for his teammates too, as far as you know, like
and Steve Fens and like to this day, those guys
are still more famous than the superstars the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Absolutely, We're gonna take a quick break, but when we
come back, we got a story about Blake Griffin and
also how he changed the viewership. Mister League passed himself.
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This next guy, Blake Griffin, the interesting situation. Could we
put an asterisk? He's part of Steph's class, but he
was a rookie in twenty ten he got injured. He's
also the highest paid player out of that resign of
that draft. Blake Griffin, six time All Star, five time
All NBA Rookie of the Year. Also Clippers legend. You
(20:43):
know what I mean. He basically lifted a franchise or
a franchise that was ridiculed for many years. Part of
the live city. Between him and Chris Paul, they're the
greatest Clippers of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
To me, low bar, low.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Bar, But you know what I mean. At the end
of the day, They're a city that needed hope. You
know what I mean, Because like when you think about
Charlotte Bobcats and not Charlotte Hornets, you think about Kimball Walker,
you think about Joe Wallace, you know, those franchises that
are quote unquote not bottom tier, but like guys that
played extremely hard for a franchise that maybe needed more
(21:17):
help than they they could get. So I feel like
in that point, you know, it was rough to see
the Detroit Pistons, Blake the you know, Brooklyn nets Blake,
you played with Blake, Do you got any stories about
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No Blake hilarious, Like You're gonna have a great media
career once he retired, just because big time personality. But
just talking about Blake as that number one pick and
being a guy in that draft, like it means somethe
You're the number one pick and one of the best
drafts ever stacked. Like name some of the guys in
the draft, Steph James.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Brandon Jennings, Tyrek Evans, and Ricky Rubio, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Todd Gibson, Like that's a stack draft, one of the
best ever doing. And if you I mean you do
a redraft he's still Yeah, he might.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Still say he's still safe at one, you know what
I mean, if you remove injuries and.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Things of that, somebody, I mean, Steph James, maybe get
that one again.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He might slide. He might slide to three, he might
slide to Yeah, because just off longevity, if you really
don't think about it in that way.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He was what the Clippers needed, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Because I don't I don't, I don't know. I don't
know if Steph gives them the Clippers that immediately.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that was one of the most exciting summer leagues
I've ever seen. Rebound and pushing the ball up. We're like,
oh no, he didn't played gliffing the goods like dunking
on people in summer league.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Some of he had. He had the desert jumping that year,
and he.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Was compared to a Sean Kemp, you know what I
mean for a while until he developed the jump shot
and was able to you know, spread the floor a
little bit and you know, make a living off there.
But yeah, definitely one of the most exciting players man.
He used to catch a lot of bodies, a lot
of bodies. Man. He had some of some of the
greatest dunk highlights I've seen outside of Vince Carter.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We might have to give him credit for League Pass
because Lee he had people tuning in the League Pass
on a Tuesday evening, Tuesday night just to see who
He's gonna dunk on. So Blake was one of them,
one of the number one picks who cut the lights on.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Shouts to BG.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Man, poo DEENI Man, the great pool DEENI Dereck rose
the Chicago Sun Man, one of the greatest what if stories,
or we can actually say he did because again, three
time All Star, MVP, Rookie of the Year, All Rookie,
Let's talk about Derek rose I was a bullsh fan.
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I probably got off the train maybe two years ago.
But Dereck rose Man one of the dude I living
in Milwaukee got a chance to watch that Central Division
match up four times a year, and he would just
come rip everybody's heart off, like, didn't talk too much,
gon't do his things, step back strong. He loved him.
In twenty eleven that the MVP season where he had
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to go against the Big three in Miami, like it
just was some pride man. And it sucks that he
got hurt. Man, but his impact.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
He probably you know they talk about a killed car
being a crime stopper. He might have been the crime
stopper in Chicago, bro, because when play it was not
it wasn't like that. Everybody was showing love.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To d Rose.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Ain't know what if to me, that's what what was like.
He was that guy coming in right away. Like talk
about pressure, bron Yeah, like most some people usually kids
get drafted or go to college, like we gotta get
him out of the city, out the state, like he don't
want to be home.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
He embraced it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Another one of those is the is the is the
lottery ball?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Is the draft fake? Like rigged? It worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
For him, maning to going to Chicago when they needed
it after Jordan, like they were dead for that long period.
He came in, revived the city, revived the organization and
was hooping.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Man got hurt, has some off the court stuff going on.
Still dropped fifty, still was able to be effective, still
a great leader, took it in stride, left on his own.
I mean most.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
People do them.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That duo him Bulls and the and Adidas. Yeah, that
media hype train was just unreal. Yeah, they could they
asked some they did some fire stuff man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, absolutely, Man Shouston d rose Man one of the
he did guys, not what if Andrews Oh my goodness,
two thousand and five blockchamp. I mean one time All NBA,
All Rookie, All Defense, and one time champion thanks to
your brother and the goch State Warriors. You know what
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I mean. That trade still is one of the most
interesting trades.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I got a front seat to that. I remember when
a sly a play of Phoenix Suns player that I
will not name, slightly nudged him and he broke his
arm and messed up the Bucks first round chances. But
uh yeah, him getting traded for Monte Ellis was still
one of the craziest deals and it kicked off one
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of the you know, turn the franchise around.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, that's one of those like bark ninety like women.
When he was that draft was going on, I didn't
even know who he was the draft night. I ain't
know what he looked like, nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I watched him in Utah.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He was pretty with jerious guy.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Man, he was skilled, he had good hands, But I
thought that I thought that Erro was changing. I'm gonna
just be honest, like you know, Oh for Dwight Howberd
was one thing, but like drafting a non athletic big,
I just was like, I don't know if it's gonna
really translate, because he had good chance it would.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Death one of those. He's not like one of those.
I'm gonna dominate you with thirty and fifteen like he was.
I'ma I'm gonna beat a hub on office. I'm gonna
pass the ball. I mean, I can give you enough
fund on the block to keep you on the scoring
the ball. But I'm really a pastor. I'm a great defender,
protecting around block shots move. But he ain't like that, say,
he ain't like that Dwight, that Blake Griffin, who's just
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box office who you have to go see when he
comes to town that night. That's never who's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, my closest comp And I just think that Sengoon's
a little bit faster than him and a little bit
you know, have a little bit more to room to
spread the floor. But passing wise, just basketball, Iq Bogic
was just like the perfect pickup for the Warriors, you
know what I mean, he knew when it set the screen.
He knew how to hand it off. He didn't really
get real pissy when he didn't get the ball. He
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understood how great Steph Curry was, and you gotta be
that type of player in order to succeed, you know
what I mean, Especially getting him at that point of
his career, You know what I mean, he still could
have went to like I said, Indiana Pacers, or he
could have went to the Bulls and been effective, you
know what I mean. Like, so acquiring him in fifteen
for that finals run was just like, you know, it
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was just you know, pairing him up with you know,
Draymond and all those guys. It worked out.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Now I had to take I had to take a
look because I'm like, who else was in this draft?
Because it's kind of it's kind of suspect, like was
this a weak draft? Who was in his draft?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Chris Paul and Darren Williams say, yeah, you look and
his CP D will Well. The biggest The biggest fuss
was Marv going to Marvin Williams. Right, Marvel Willings had
an amazing UH National title game off the bench, and
he was drafted off potential. He's probably the one player
I felt that patience was literally used in that pick
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of developing. He became a solid contributor to the to
the league, but they literally allowed him to develop. And
the Hawks really needed a point guard at that time
and passed on Darren Williams and CP. CP felt like
the obvious choice, you know what I mean, But I
understand O five was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It was still that time where like you needed a
big every team felt like, oh, we need a center.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We needed the CD before a guard anytime, Yeah, anytime,
you know what I mean. That's why the Ola candies,
you know what I mean. Like he's another guy in
ninety eight where you're like, how is he going over
Vince Carter, you know what I mean, Like, but you
know he was dunking. He had his stet the record
for medicine ball dunks in the pre draft. Like it's
just for certain things that she's just like, why does
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that matter now? But it just was just like a
cool thing. If you had a sick bench press, you
might go top ten, you know what I mean. Like
they used to try to kill k because he didn't
have a bench press. It's just you know, those are
the weird things that stick out. And now y'all got
a little bit more leverage because you're focusing on more
basketball things.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
So now we go from that to what was the
next guy?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was definitely in a weak draft, right got Kenya Martin
two thousand draft Kenyan Martin? What do you think about
him as the number one pick in his career overall?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think realistically of the guys that came out, he
was the best. But he was a huge gamble because
he broke his leg injured when he was injured when
he drafted. When he was drafted, so it was kind
of like, is he going to be the same, and
everybody kind of believed in that. So that Cincinnati team,
Steve Logan all, they was nice brou and it was
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must must see TV, you know what I'm saying. So
I understood it. But he landed in the right spot
and he almost was kind of like the archetype of
what we see now where guys get to go and
get it. He didn't have to have a jump shot.
He really just kind of he played very strong, He
played bigger than what he was. He could be a
great help side defender. He was vocal. He intimidated a
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lot of players without even actually throwing a punch. You
get what I'm saying, Like, yeah, that's the thing, you
know what I mean, Like his his rep carried more
than anything, and connecting with Jay Kidd, Richard you know,
like him and Richard Jefferson, like they they were flying
and adding Vince Carter to that mix, like those dudes were.
You know, they got two NBA Finals appearances back to back.
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You know, even though they ran up against a very
tough Los Angeles Lakers team, they were really really good.
And you mentioned the two thousands class of Mike Miller
if you want to highlight them with those guys Jamal
Crawford and Michael Redd, but not very strong class, you know.
I mean a lot of guys changed their family lives
because of this weak draft.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, and like he yeah, what kind of like you
brought it up, boy, that kind of what added to
his legacy and his story is the number one pick
was the team building around him, like you brought in Jkid,
like you said, Richard Jefferson, Vince I think he played
with Vincent in New Jersey, Like yeah, they put a
good team around him. So like it wasn't like we
were not disappointed in k Martin he wasn't done. He
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got traded to He got traded to Denver.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And still became effective. I think it almost not only
boosted it because he was playing with Mellow and Iversen,
so like he played with a lot He played a
lot of good basketball with a lot of winning teams.
I think even with him being a you know, an
analyst of the game now he can say a lot
because he has a lot of experience. I just think that,
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you know, the flow of the show kind of outweighs that.
But at the end of the day, he was he was.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
He was like that, Yeah, yeah, we're looking at overall
career like and you certainly are, but like I kind
of weigh a little bit more when I'm doing my rankings,
Like I weigh a little bit more of what you
did with the team that drafted you. Yeah, that's kind
of once you get traded a number one pick, unless
it's early.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Like Andrew, he got a case Man two finals back
to back.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He wasn't like a perennial All Star, Like, he wasn't
like an All NBA guy in New Jersey, but they
had a great team.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
One time All Star, All rookie.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, so like I wouldn't say Nets fans that were disappointed.
And k Mart is the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I think six was a little tricky, right, Toronto had
number one pick Andrea Bartnani. Who is we're talking about, right,
And it's the influx of European bigs that came in.
Guys were looking for the next Dirk you know what
I mean. He could spread the ball, you know what
I mean a little bit, shoot it a little bit.
But like obviously he ended up on the blooper side
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of things mostly when you look at his career stats.
He actually would get paid in this era. I think
the expectations were just a little bit high. Him and
Kwame Brown are kind of coupled in that situation. They
would make a lot of money being serviceable role players.
But funny story about this, I was around this. This
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is my intro to the NBA, my first time being
around the NBA. Marcus Williams was a good friend of mine.
He had some off the court stuff going on during
college and he was projected number.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
One pick that year that year.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay, and Canada was just not They was not going
with that. They didn't. They didn't see it. They didn't
see it beyond you know, so he went back, he
went back to school, right, No, Marcus went twenty second.
He slid oh that far? Okay, yeah, yeah, wow. He
was considered he was considered a risk in Canada.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Was he taking it? No, he was not.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He's trying to go number one, but they just did.
Toronto wasn't rocking with him. He had he had a
great workout, he was out working Rondo. A couple of
guys in that trap in that in that draft, you
know what I mean. Yeah, but it just was, you know,
they couldn't do it. And as it went, most people
had guards from that oh four oh five. So because
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he you know, collegiately, he competed against the Chris Paul's,
the Taiwan Yeah, you know what I mean, dealing with
those who's my boy from uh Villanova, like Scottie Reynolds,
them guys, the Randy Foys of the world, you know
what I mean, Alan Ray's. You know, when you think
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about in those type of matchups, those guards were there,
but he was clearly on paper still that that's they
were still looking for Pats first guys. So he would
have been on paper one of the guys to go
number one, but Barnyanni you know, established it and he
went and he was drafted to be j kids back up.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, this is like one of the first European guys
to get that number one pick, right, Like, we don't
know who we're not familiar with us as.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
A lot of people who because I for sure didn't know.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Who he was, no idea who he was. And then
this is still when like you teams would take four
year college guys like they weighed heavily good, like you
could still be a good four year college player get
drafted like you had to Adam Morrison's JJ reddicks in
his draft, Sheldon Williams like college still Madden, Like it
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wasn't just upside, it was like what you could what
could you be now? So Barianni coming in is highly
skilled and he ended up being a good, solid players
just like ten years already he was the three. If
he was the number three pick, everybody would be happy.
He wouldn't be winning.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, it's just a lot of pressure that came with that.
But I think it was just you look at that,
you look at that draft a few things behind the
scenes that guys maybe didn't, you know what I mean,
because like think about that, like Phoenix drafted Rondo, Rondou
was traded to Boston, you know what I mean, Like
everybody was still trying to figure out those things, and
it was it was quite interesting, man. But Sholosta Scholasta Barnianni,
(36:15):
I don't think he got the fair shot of looking
to be the next Dirk.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, he kind before his time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he probably would have been,
you know, a spread for you know, one of these guys,
he would have be. He probably would have did his
thing in this era. Greg Oden injury riddle. I feel like,
you know, Portland did a good job with Dane not
getting caught in the injury bug thing. But like for
a while, that was it was.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It was.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It was a thing, Sam Bouie, the greg Oden's of
the world, the Brandon Royd's of the world, a lot
of their top picks. You know, we mentioned earlier that
you know, the Blazers passed on kd, which rightfully so
they had guys like LaMarcus Ardridge on the team and
Brandon Royd. I don't know how that would have fit.
It probably would have fit in the current day, but
I don't don't think they were seeing it as how
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can these guys share the rock?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, like Odin, it was a name you were
hearing for two or three years before the draft, like
him and Mike Conley on the same team AU team
going to Ohio State, just just hoopers on the same team.
So I don't think like obviously, like I said earlier,
you knew KD was one of those ones, he was
gonna be a all time great scorer in that draft,
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but it was like, we can't pass up on Greg
because we needed we need Biggs, and he's we're trying to.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Be one of the best.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Now we're trying to comp be and he still might
be one of the best bigs of all time. Like
his his his floor is pretty high and his ceiling
can be up there, like you can win. The thought
back then was win winning championships with centers and bigs,
like like, you have a great scorer in KD. But
like the main thought back then was like, that's not
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really what leads you to championships. His defense and having
that big, that hub in the mold of a shock
or guys like that to Tim Duncan, who who he
can run your offense through and throw it to. So
I mean they had good, good upside for Greg, but
like the injury bug bit them and I mean you
can't really do too much about that, Like it was
just an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean he was around for that twenty thirteen
Miami Heat title. He did not get a ring, unfortunately,
but shouts to Greg Golden going back to Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
One big Hoop, one big Hoo's questionable busts as far
as the injuries and Greg Golden and another one who
in Kwame Brown round. A lot of people say it's
the ultimate bust as far as just wasn't wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, and I sympathized with
karm Brown. I think obviously you know the outside conversations
and he's an easy target to pick on in that
in that draft shadow I was. I was around this
for the first time too because I was in high
school with Tyson Chandler at the time, and I learned
how to pre draft actually worked, you know what I mean,
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You're working out for these guys, and he knew that
the Clippers was going to take him at too, you
know what I mean, because he had an ankle injury.
He had the first serious injury of his career first
Inglewood High School against Angelo Collins and you know the Wizards.
Michael Jordan wanted somebody who could play now, and he
felt like cool Kwami Brown was like he wanted to honestly,
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he wanted to flip Kwame Brown's the number one pick
to go get somebody, and they were like no, and
He's like, who can play right now? And he felt
like Kwame would have been more available to play now
than Tyson Chandler at that time. You know what I'm saying.
Pau Gasol was still.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Because he knew and all this go.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You think of all everything that was going on, Like
mj was playing, he was making these decisions.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But he was, yeah he was playing.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He play too, So it was like me, I need
I need somebody that can rock with me.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean, it's my legacy too.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
At the end of the day, he averaged in the game,
we had almost almost ten rebounds double double average. But again,
when you think a number one pickt you're thinking twenty
points a game.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, he was. He was. He was solid, solid.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I just don't just think in that era, no one
would have succeeded being drafted by the Wizards at that
point because of the expectation. You get what I'm saying, Like,
I don't think, no matter what, whoever's in that spot
is not going you know, like the team wasn't fixed
for that. Michael Jordan came from down to sell tickets.
It was literally a business move. Hey, I acquired this.
(40:30):
Oh we're struggling, let me do this, and then I'm out.
I did two seasons they cracked under barely forty three wins.
He played on a torn moniscus at forty something, trying
to still do something, and he was overly frustrated. He
tried to trade Kwame Brown multiple times and it just
did not happen.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Side note some of these decisions and well MJ presidents
and how he brought up Kwame, does that play into
his trajegacy? Like, no, his legacy as a guy like
you see bron or other people like how they in
their forties and how they accident in the game or whatever.
(41:10):
But this MJ's failure as an owner as a late
in his career, is that playing to his legacy is
at all of you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't think so, because I just think that it
was for it was so nasty how it was like
it's very certain stact to me, you know what I mean,
Like I don't I don't think it was. If you're
watching that like live that I'm like, I got a
chance to watch Michael jord throughout the wins. I just
like this is a shell of him. Like I understand
I was old enough to be like, damn, this is
(41:40):
like the Harlem Globetrotters, like kind of no, no, no,
it counts, it counts, it counts. But it just was
just weird to watch because obviously he had a nasty
spat with the Bulls. They weren't going to pay, they
weren't going to sign anybody back, He wasn't wanting to
play anybody. He always wanted to be an owner. So
the idea to get into the state. But like imagine
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you buying a soccer club and it's just bad, and
it's like, hey, if I could actually just go out
and play like a couple of games and get us,
you be like, all right, let me try something so
I can boost this value. So it was kind of
like a manipulation type thing in order to say, hey,
I can do this thing, and also I can gain value,
(42:24):
as you know, earning this respect. I think he went
through the lastest part of it being like, all right,
let me acquire Charlotte now.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But I had to kind of ass to you kind
of respect it. As far as he was a he
was pired pioneered anything like this before.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
He pioneered it. But it was very nasty in a
in a in a in a way of messing up,
like putting an asterisk on your career, you know what
I mean. Like it was very it was very flawless
to me into that.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
My only problem was with it. He heard a lot
of careers absolutely a way, but you don't me what
he is.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
The same thing. I feel like, Bron, you don't. You
don't go to the Lakers. You understand why you're going
to Lakers. Like if you tell your agent, A, I'm
trying to get to the Lakers to play Lebron, you know,
it could go great or it can go.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Really bad and your career.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
It's the choice. It's the gravity of it. But it's
a very selfish play. I want to go play with
Mike or I want to do this. It comes with it.
It comes with the territory, you know what I mean, Like,
you know, Mike can't about to win it all, but
is it good for your brand? Because he traded for
Richard Hamilton turned out to be a good player, you
know what I mean, Like he won a title, he
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learned how to win, he understood the thing. But at
the end of the day, it was terrible for a
god like Jerry Stackhouse. It was terrible for guys like
you know what I mean that you know Brandon, Hey,
what them dudes don't like him because it So you
understand because some people were like, yo, I want to
go play Lebron and it wasn't great. You know, would
(43:58):
you go back?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But the is that one that ship?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
They're like, oh, he'd a got he'd a god. Yeah, absolutely,
So you understand, man. Well, we've went through our two
thousands number one picks. Man, this has been great, Bantuur.
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna give our top five. I can't wait to
hear it. All Right, we're back, man, this is our
(44:36):
favorite segment, you know what I mean. I'm really curious
to see who had a top five the best, you
know what I mean, we went through some great number
one picks. Dot said, he's looking closely on longevity. Actually
impact with your immediate drafted team. What you really did
with that, that plays a part in his criteria. So Dot,
let me hear your five.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
All right, my number five, I'm rolling with, Yeah, me
number five. Just I mean he was he was boxed off,
but the career was it was short number four Blake Griffin,
uh similar things like he it was seven eight Solard
years in La. So I mean, that's that's the kind
of Let the baseline for a number one pick for me,
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number three, Dwight. Number two is d Rose d Road.
The pressure, like I talked about earlier, the pressure going
into Chicago and doing what he did.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
It's special to me. So my number one, my number.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Two is is d Rose for that number one pick
of the two thousand and one is obviously the easiest
call of easy cause bron number one, I mean, the
chosen one. He knew what the number one pick was
for three four years, Cleveland got it and the rest
is history.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Man, I'm not too far off. I'm not gonna lie
to you.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
My five I'm gonna start with Key and Martin K
mart I'm gonna get k Martin there man shout to
k mart Man. Obviously he was a part of that.
That's not his spoute. He was part of one of
the worst drafts, but he was very effective. He was
a part of those championship Eastern Conference finals New Jersey
nets at the time, So I got to give him
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a nod for that because that matters. Winning matters to me,
and they won a lot of games during that era.
At four, I got Yao mean short career, almost a decade,
played eight seasons a time All Star, effected by injuries,
but global impact, and probably would have did more if
he wasn't sidelined by injuries. Number three, I got Dwight Howard.
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I felt like Dwight is an easy choice right there
at that spot because you know, before he leaves Orlando,
he's one of the big you know he's on pace
to be better than Shack. That's how people felt. But
you know, if he might had a better career than
Shaq as an Orlando Magic that's debatable, but we'll see
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when we think about it. Very debatable, very debatable. I mean,
because Shaq just you know, they both went to different
top once. Topic they both went to the finals once
and they didn't and he didn't play with another player
like Penn Parkway.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Actually, I think he did have a better I'm I'm
a stand he had a better career than Shack in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, so you know, shouts to the real mister Orlando,
Dwight Howard and number two I'm gonna go with d
row Shoutstapool. Youngest MVP played at home. Obviously, he had
a short career in Chicago due to injuries and had
to get shipped out. But still the second half had
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longevity and will most likely be a Hall of Famer.
Uh and of course, unanimous decision Lebron James. It's not
even close. I mean, if we did a couple decades,
we would probably still choose him the greatest basketball player
of the social media era. Off the court, got twenty
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three seasons and counting Steph's biggest rival, you know what
I mean? And uh, you know, I don't know when
this guy's gonna stop playing basketball. We're the same age
and he's still playing. My body hurts. I don't know
how he doesn't. That's it. This is our list. The
greatest number one picks of the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Were on the same way. We're on the same wave.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, we was a line man.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
We was a line when.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Y'all listening to this, to all the fans, tap in
with us, if we're missing anything in these top fives
or whatever, let us know.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, absolutely I would love to be proven wrong. But
also here more of a case for other guys, you
know what I mean, That's definitely why.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
We do this.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,
we're gonna do our favorite segment, Born in the Wrong
All right, let's go into our born in the Wrong
(48:58):
era segment.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Who you were kind of hinted at it.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I don't know if I mean you kind of brought
it up, but I had it written down and this
is I mean, I can just see it right now.
I can see our dream bonnyarn he playing in our
in our league today, like where he could shoot the ball,
play the four or five. You could be a hub,
he could pass, he can put the ball on the
floor just enough, he could post up just enough. So
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just him in this system today where he's shooting more
three spread out kind of a he had kind of
had the soft label for the European soft label that
was a lot of guys are being put on him.
But he has some toughness, some toughness in that he
could hoop straight up. Just I would like to see
him in today's league and see what he could do.
I think he was just a little before his time
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as far as being that number one pick and not
living up to the bill.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I'm gonna go with Kwame Brown. I think Kwame Brown
would make a lot of money in this league just
because he's very serviceable. That ten points can go a
long way. Everybody these rebounds and he can defend. I
don't know if he would have been drafted number one,
but wherever he ends up as a journeyman, I think
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people would have been kind of trying to pay him.
Like the Pacers could use him right now, you know
what I mean. Like it's certain teams that just were
just you know, work him into action just because he
ain't got to score twenty points, but that tim needed
because it's a guard league, you know what I mean.
And when you think about the actual era of what
is needed, some of these players are not gonna get
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the touches that they think they gonna get yeah, which
changes a whole different dynamic. And I think Kwami would
be okay with less touches but effectiveness and just being
a beast in the paint, you know what I mean.
He's gonna guarantee you rebounds and that rebounds still matter
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
He wanted those that discussion where like I didn't draft
myself like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I didn't pick myself number one. I I want to
be he wants to be number one, but he didn't.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
He didn't put those expectations on himself as being a
hub and a franchise guy.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
I mean, you hit it on the nail. None of
these guys choose to be number one. People choose them.
And when you're chosen, it's a gift and a curse,
and some people own it and some people fail, and
it is what it is. Yeah, all right, man, I
think we've touched all bases. Man. We had a great,
healthy debate. Man. We talked about some great what ifs.
I definitely want to revisit that Orlando Magic conversation at
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some point when we go individual teams, because that's coming.
We're actually gonna start talking about you know, greatest teams
individual teams of that era, which is gonna be a
fun one because you get to break down good and
bad rosters. I want to definitely talk about those Cleveland
Cavaliers years with Lebron to see if he actually did
have a bad team work did he have a good
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team when we look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I can't wait, Man, I go, it's gonna be a
good one.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a good one. All right,
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Speaker 1 (51:53):
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(53:20):
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