Greatest Clutch Players of the 2000's

We’ve all heard this term thrown around — “clutch” — but what does that really mean? Is it a trait that’s teachable? Is it innate? Does making the right “basketball play” disqualify one from being considered such? Depending on who you ask you will hear different qualifications, and how that ability stacks up against other attributes. Today, we intend to set the record straight by highlighting the closers who delivered with a go-ahead bucket, free throw, or finish at the basket when the stakes are the highest and the game is on the line. Special shout out to the players with ice in their veins. Find out who tops our list for the 2000’s.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's two people that I watched the game, and I
think they never gonna miss winning lead. They hand Yeah, Jordan,
your brother and now Robert Or. Right at the end
of the day, Like, Bro, if he ever put Robert
Or in any situation to win you a game, gonna
win it. He gonna win it. Right, he got seven

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of them things.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bro, We are back.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are back with a new episode of the Greatest
of Their Era.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Go.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm your host, Trey Edwards. I'm joined always by my
back court mate Seth. What's good?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, sir, what up? What up? Go to another week
another episode, Man, drop it up.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm be getting some good DMS man. It's good DMS man.
Some people, you know, they they don't understand the top
five cricteria sometimes and then you know, we're gonna have
to start dumbing it down a little bit, or you
they gonna have to lie a little harder, man. But
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
The fan engagement. It seems like everybody's enjoying it. Man.
They learning a lot. They hearing names that they haven't
heard before, and then also looking up the players that
they never heard before. And I, you know, I think
that's like the beauty and the positives of this show.
We up there, man, We passed you know, the single
digits of the episodes, and we making strides. How you

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feeling so far.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I'm feeling good, man, I'm feeling good, excited about new topics.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
To keep this thing rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
That's the good thing about this part is it's just
getting the conversation started. I keep saying, it only starts
the argument. Start starts to get people's brains moving and
thinking about the stuff we're talking about, because we only
have what forty five minutes an hour to get into
the conversation, yeap, And it's impossible to get into every
single detail of what we're arguing every player over the
history of the eras. It's just I mean, every time

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we cut the mics off, almost oh I forgot this
person all forgot to bring this up.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's the beauty of.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It, yeah, man, I mean, I think that's the great
part about it, man, because there's so many great players
in this league, and you know, they all have a
rifle state in the conversation, but there only can be
five in our minds, you know what I mean that
that cross our minds. I mean, you know, if they
really was ball and then you know we're gonna we're
gonna ride for them. So I think it's just time

(02:19):
to jump right into it. Man. We take a trip
down memory lane. Man. You know, we're talking about the
greatest clutch players of the two thousands, man, and the
two thousands. You know, it's a lot of iconic moments,
you know, critical game winning shots, final moments. A lot
of players earn nick names off their clutch performances. So
we're gonna get right into it. Man, What do you

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think is the criteria of clutch?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's interesting, this is a this is the debate.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Really, everybody got their own opinion on what a clutch
moment is, what a clutch player is. There's so many
different areas of it comes down to what it takes
to win a game. So to me, I think it's
it's all the above. It's first of all, who is
who wants the ball in their hands at the end
of a game a big situation, not afraid to shine
away from them, not really shine away from the moment,

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not afraid to make mistakes that in that instance, So
you're making it only taking a shot, but you're making
a place for your team down the stretch. In regular
season and most im poortly playoffs as you get deeper
into the season. And then also to me, is one
of those guys who is called upon in this situation
is who wants the ball at the end of the
game to make free throws?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know what I'm saying, who is?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Because some many you got the best playing your team,
Some of them are are a great free throw shooter
or some shot away from that moment being at the
line having to make two free throws to win a
game or to put a game away. And sometimes it's
not the main guy on that team. So Thomas a
road guy who runs to the ball, and that's that's
clustering me as well.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I think so many. There's so many opportunities for
the guy on the court to be clutched. Whether it's
the defensive stop, whether it's free throws made, whether it's
you know, carrying your team down the stretch to get
them in a chance to win a game. It's just
so many different ways you can possibly be clutch. But
the star players normally leaned on to be the most

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clutch because they're making the most money, they're getting endorsements,
they're getting you know, they're the driving force of wired
fans root for these teams. So let's kick this off. Man.
You know, the number one clutch player that I think
should be mentioned and discussed is the late great Kobe Bryant.
Man Like he has a brand name that still lives
on man Mamba mentality. And when you think about Mamba mentality,

(04:29):
it has transcended beyond basketball. You got football players, you
got wrestlers, you got boxers saying that they're in the
mambo mentality. What do you think is mamba mentality.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Us that killer instinct to be honest, the killer instinct
where I'm just I'm doing anything it takes to win
a game. Like you see him out there on the floor,
you hit a the famous stories by him, He'll calling
for the ball, making the snakes, making the snake sound,
and that's just him like really transforming into that mentality.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm a killer.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm a different type of beast out there on the floor,
and it's nobody like me. So no matter what it takes,
any situation, I'm doing what it takes to win the game.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I'm a rough full of a couple of feathers here.
But I do think that Mama mentality is great advertising.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh you ain't buying it.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't buy it. I don't buy it because it
was made for one person.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
The marketing part made it feel like it was a collective.
When you look at the players that say that, hey,
I trained with Kobe, I'm from the school of Kobe.
They don't possess that thing like they're their own player.
But I think they've bought into the idea because they
wear the sneakers and they're embrace the brand. But like

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there's only maybe the read of four players in this
game that maybe could relate to that in that essence
of like, yo, I don't care, you know what I mean,
And you've seen Kobe in action, and you see the
Jason Tatums of the world, Evan Bookers of the world.
I'm trying to think there's something marj Rozen's. They're their

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own respectable, they've had their success in the league. But
to say, yo, doing this for this person or I'm
gonna focus like this, it's just a different type of focus. Man.
Like for twenty seasons, the Stude dedicated full on brand
to the game. Like the marketing part came second, Like

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it came second, Like basketball. He took pride and not
having friends. He took pride and not sharing the game.
He didn't start working out with players till he was done,
like you know what I mean, because he just considered,
like you know, like you know, d Wade on his part,
said that him and bron had to team up to
stop Kobe from winning more championships. It's because at the
end of the day, he wasn't about to do that.

(06:51):
He probably would have left the Lakers or something like that,
but I don't think he would have teamed up with
nobody because he just he didn't want to work out
with nobody. He wanted to be the best. Even you know,
Mark Cuban t'sing him saying, amnesty him, you know, amnesty that.
Like he took everything as a personal threat, and I
just don't see guys just kind of leaning into that,
like to a point where you are lovable and likable

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and I'm gonna push back.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Is like, it's that was who he was, Like you yes,
you talked about That's who he was for his whole career.
Maybe in his last couple of years when he was
getting a farewell tour on his way out, kind of
transformed the mentality where he was. He was letting people
in on that mentality that made him who he was.
He got more likable, and I got a story like
I'm gonna tell you a little bit about how I
experienced that firsthand. But like, like I said, that's what

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he was, that mental He sacrificed family, friendship everywhere to
be the best basketball player could be. And I don't
think it's nothing wrong with anybody Like once he let
people in what it takes to do what he did
and and be Kobe Bryant on the floor. But I
don't think he's anyone thing wrong with Jason Tatum, Devin Booker,
those guys striving to be that.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
No, no, no, I don't think. I don't think. I
don't think they're like I don't think anything's wrong with
with them. They're doing it their way and they're succeeding
in their way. But I think to attach themselves to
the brand, I think it's almost a negative.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It get kind of corny.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
They get corny into the point where guys are wearing
wristbands and every one or two guys showing Kobe little
but every It got to a play where every time
somebody had a good game.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It was Maba mentality. Kobe is Kobe that.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
And it should just be ay, that was my favorite player. Yeah,
you know, I have some flashes that I try to
I want to play as close as enough to him.
But when you just say, hey, that was his guy,
you know, sure you sent a couple of texts, you know,
not not even to be rude and be like, yo,
he text everybody, but he had he text a lot

(08:42):
of people. So it's like it's kind of hard to
be like, yo, that's my guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think he was trying to spread them, spread the brand,
spread the mentality. On his way out, we're gonna take
a quick break, but when we come back, Seth has
a great Kobe story.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Just tell you a quick story.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I was in Sacramento, made my second year in the league,
and we're I think it might have been Kobe's last year,
right before its farewell to So we're playing the Lakers
in Vegas in a preseason game and we're at a
restaurants like me and like for of my teammates, and
somebody came up with like Kobe in the back.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
He back there eating by himself. Like tell I tell
him stop boning his way out.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So he finished eating and he's walking on his way out.
He sits down with us for a little bit and
he's just chopping it up with us for like literally
sat down for like an hour. We're asking him questions,
chopping it up. He's telling us what it takes for
him to get back on the floor for us. Last year,
his body was so banged up. He's like, I got
a two cold, two ice baths a day, two massages.

(09:59):
I gotta lift. Some days I can shoot someone I can't.
The treatment is around the clock. He was telling us
everything that it took and was telling us how he
used to work out back in the day. And I'm
like this, this is crazy because four or five years
ago we would have never got this insight on COVID. Yeah,
he didn't mess with anybody like that.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
He started to lean into the ambassadorship.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, you can see how it was mentality shifting then
to transformhim to that being a clutch player and a
killer on the floor, like like that's that's kind of
how the brand changed. But like during his the main
stay of his career is first sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years
he was a killer and he was gonna cut your
throat out on the floor.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
And he wasn't gonna work out with anybody. He wasn't
gonna help you. He was trying to win.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
So speaking of killer performance, his two thousand and nine
Finals performance, he averaged thirty two point four points per game,
and he had countless game winners. You can go YouTube,
go wherever you see the Kobe game winners, the DVDs,
the Kobe doing works, you'll see. But like the two
thousand and six double overtime buzzer beater versus Phoenix, A
cemented his reputation like it's a lot of fans home sad.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
So yeah, to give another side of the Kobe clutch
the bait. And I mean, I'm sure he's in a
lot of people's top five and at the top of
the list on a lot of people, but he was
He wouldn't giving nobody else a chance. Very rarely was
giving somebody else a chance to win the game or
lose a game for his team. His volume like it
was a close game I wanted on my shoulders, Like
his volume is crazy when it comes to clutch shots,

(11:25):
and his percentages weren't always there. He probably missed a
lot more than he made. But that's that mentality of
I'm willing to take what comes with missing the shot.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's not everybody's made for it.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I ain't gonna start nothing, man, But I know a
lot of players that get hot potato in that moment
that ball get heavy, man. So shots to Kobe being,
you know, having having the cohonis factor to take that shot,
man and and live with the loss too, I think,
you know what I mean. Like that was very Michael
like you know what I mean, Like it ain't too
many people that's like, okay, like yo, I feel but

(12:00):
I'm alright with getting back because I got eighty two
of these things, all right. Another player who's also in
this decade, and they talk about Tim Duncan, Yeah, super
dominant man. Three titles in the decade, you know what
I mean. His near quadruple double in Game six to
the two thousand and three finals twenty one points, twenty rebounds,
tennisis eight blocks, and his steady leadership made him one

(12:22):
of the most clutch players, you know what I mean.
Like that San Antonio Spurs team, obviously they had some
some coachable guys and guys that were multiple All Stars,
and they just had their system, and most people thought,
like we've said on the own previous parts, most people
thought that brand of basketball was born. But realistically, you
know Tim Duncan having that mentality and clutch factor sometimes

(12:47):
to send teams home. Man. You know, you know, if
you're not having the best shooting, you're still gonna have
to show up on the boards. You don't have to
show up and do all other things. And you know
that stat line says itself. Man, you know what I
mean in order to especially in the finals when you
need it.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, Nah, Tim, you knew what you're gonna get from
Tim every playoff run, in the biggest moment, his minutes
were gonna go up, and his production was gonna go up,
like he rarely had a bad game, a bad night.
And then when it got to clutch time towards the
end of the game, you knew where to find him.
On that block jab jab he was going you know
what I'm saying right hook you to death. Thought he

(13:21):
was going to jab off the glass, take you some
glass work.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
He was.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean, his game when the shots were flash year,
you ain't gonna see him a lot of highlight reels.
But when it came to clutch time and his team,
the Spurs needn a big shot, it was ran through
Timmy and he came through.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, man, losing on the bank where he trash, I'll
be hot. I'm live, bro, you shit me home on
the bank.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm hot.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I'm ready to break something in the locker room fundamentals.
So the next thing shot right, Yeah, the last player
to win the three pat him and Kobe Bryant. But
you know, obviously he was the one a of the
group at that time. His two thousands Finals MVP averaged
thirty eight points per game and sixteen point seven rebounds

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per game. That's so dominant, Like when you hear them
numbers out loud, and he said, yo, there was literally
no one that can stop this dude. And his ability
to draw files and score under pressure just made him clutch.
Like obviously he gets the bad end of the stick
for his free throws, but yeah, when you really think
about when you need a shock, shock was gonna get
you what you need.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
And he always said like I can't, I'm not a
good free throw shooters, But in the clutch at the
end of the game, when you need it, he made
his free throws, and for the most part that's true,
Like he probably the percentage probably bumps up the high
seventies eighties in the clutch toward the end of the game.
But I mean, that's how Dominique was on that block
where to the point where if he knew he won

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a great free throw shooter and teams wanted to foul him,
but you still went through him because he was that dominant.
He'll give you, he'll play through the contact, give you
an and one. And if he didn't foul him, he
was he could he could go to different jump hook
to moves and still scored the ball. Like you had
Kobe on the floor, one of the best io players
of his time. Even young Kobe going to work and

(15:08):
light talked about his mentality, his his cluestness, but they
still played through shock.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's how good Shaq was on those on those three
p runs.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, absolutely, man, you know, one of one of the
most effective. Uh this one. This guy man is literally
and his nickname Chauncey Billups aka mister big Shot. Like
you know how clutch you gotta be to have a
nickname called mister big Shot.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
He did it over and over you knew it was coming.
And that big thing about Chauncey was he kind of
transformed into a more aggressive version of himself, Like he
was a different player when he got to that fourth
quarter end of the game.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like throughout most of.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
The game and he was running the team, he would
take open shots. He wasn't trying to score thirty and forty,
but in the fourth quarter the ball ran through him
and give you that that hang dribble, pull up Jane
your face or jabb three.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
He had some big, big sh like you said, he
lived up to the name.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, I mean it got to a point where it
was just like what you know what I mean. I
watched him again. I watched him his whole career Boston
when he got traded fifty games in you know what
I mean, Like, that's how crazy that was. He even
played that long. Bro, he got traded halfway in the season.
Bro playing for Rick Patino got him up out of there,
and he.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Kind of loads you to sleep.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like like I said, he would go through the games
Twelvey twelve, fifteen, here and there, and then end of
the fourth he just turned the volume up, got aggressive
shooting in guy's faces, creating a little space like he
you weren't expecting until you realize all.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
He did it again. He did it again Detroit.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Obviously he's doing for He ended up winning the title,
upsetting you know, the Lakers, but then also them Denver
years was cold and them Clippers years was cold. Before
he towards Achilles, he's playing the two. He letting him fly. Man,
you know that was that was a fun time. Man.
But his two thousand and fourth finals run, he shot
fifty from the three and then you know, like he
had some game skilling shots, you know what I mean,

(16:59):
Like they they cracked them. It wasn't like a hard
series for them, and everybody the whole world thought they
was gonna get beat.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
So, yeah, he was running with Mellow in Denver. They
didn't you didn't know who to go to, Like it
was you going to Chauncey a Mellow. They had two
of the best in the game players like I get
your own shot, big shot makers. Those teams were fun
to watch, Yeah, for sure. Underrated Jerseys too.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Definitely underrated jerseys, man. Still some of the codes we're
gonna go back to back with the cool nicknames and
the and the performances. Man Robert or big shot Bob
bro big Shot Bob. Now, this man got more rings
than Mike, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Should it be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean, hopefully he'd be a guest man and he can,
he can fight for his own his own legacy. I
don't know, man, I think that he has been a
part of every part of history, right when you think
about like on the other end of making big shots,
I just don't know, oh how much of it leans
into the actual adding to the game, you know what

(18:09):
I mean. Because it's a lot of first options, it's
probably like second. He probably like third option on most
of these teams, you know, I mean third or fourth options.
So yes or no, No, I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I agree, I agree, I can't give it to.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm gonna stand my ground. Man, if we get him
on here, I'm gonna stand my ground. I think he
is one. Like again he's say he's saying he's more
of the savor of legacies. Okay, yeah, you know what
I mean, he's the savior of legacies.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
He got a couple of people first ballot Hall of Fame.
He got a couple people in their first.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Ballot, and that's why they vouching for him, saying, hey, y'all,
you know you gotta throw my boy in there because
a lot of people owe him. If he can't go
to the to the Hall of Fame, they ain't chip
him down, Like just throw him a honeybun and something, man,
because he showed got him right. Man, it's a lot
he hit some big shots.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Bro give him a percentage now he yeah. He Like
you said, you can't tell the story league without him,
m hm. But we got to draw the line somewhere
when it comes to the Hall of Fame, like you
gotta be you gotta be one of them ones.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
If you had to pick his two thousand and two
game for a buzzer beater for Sack or in two
thousand and five the Finals Game five explosion for twenty
one points, including a game win which.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Youtuet to tip out three against Sack. That was that
was backbreaker because.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I want to change everything I want.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I was watching that.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I wanted Sack to beat them so bad, man. I
was hating hard, hating hard, like I wanted to upset
and just I feel like they're about to get it done.
And then once again, the ball bounced the right way
and he knocked it down. Yeah, But I wanted to
talk about the role like the Robert Roy rolled as
far as clutch players, because you got the guys who

(19:48):
you know they're gonna go to. They've been in the
rhythm all game. Kobe's Tim and Shack Chauncey. Yeah, they
get to whoever we talked about, they getting the looks
and then at the end of the game, it's usually like,
if I get to my spot, it's make miss.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm probably gonna get the shot, right.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Robert Ay's, the Ray Allens to the end of his career,
that Derek Fisher's. They don't know if the ball coming
to him or not, and you don't know what kind
of rhythm they are. Like, so it's like swing swing,
I'm open. I gotta knock this. It's my one chance.
I gotta knock this down, Like this is my one chance.
And I know that feeling being one of those role
guys who goes in the game is to spread the

(20:22):
floor just being stuck in that corner. If the ball
finds me, it's my job to knock it down. So
that's a little extra type of pressure, like you don't know, Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, I mean listen when we talk about on five,
he's gonna be in my mix for show, Like, don't
get a twisted. He one of the greatest when it
comes to ice in his veins, bro. But I just
think that if that was a category to get you in, yeah,
he would have been in.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, that's not in all the fame conversation.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm just yeah, that's just not in the conversation. It's
just it's a part of the game. But he he
is notable for it, you know what I mean. He
more clutch than a kicker on the twenty yard line.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I got to love for those guys. You need
those guys.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, no, one guy that's gonna that's gonna step into
that shot and not I'm open by my cut to
the rim because I don't really want to be open,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
You need those those role players like that.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Emphasis on Savior of Legacies. Fact that is his name,
Big Shot Bob aka Savior of Legacies. He saved a lot,
all right, flash man, this is this is flash oh
sixth wave bro. Like, how cold was he? I know
a lot of people talk about shake yils with Alexander
and the Austin Reeves and the Trey Youngs and all

(21:31):
these guys who end up on the free throw line
dad whistle, that that O six whistle was crazy because
he was like in his third season. It wasn't even
like he he was only twenty four.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Trust me, I know being in Dallas for the for
the amount of years I was being around Mark Cuby.
He don't let it go that O six run come up.
The first thing you gonna talk about is arrests and
the whistle that changed, and how many free throws d
Wade shot in that game, even the last three games
in the series, Like, but he attacked like he attacked.

(22:05):
He put the owners on the on the unofficial to
blow the whistle, and he was It wasn't just free
throws he was he was getting to a bucket.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Let's let's get into these numbers.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Though.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
He averaged thirty four point seven points per game. Yeah,
seven point eight rebounds per game and four is is
per game against Dallas, especially his forty three point game three, Like,
and it's at twenty.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Four a young boy like like, that's another That's that's
another topic. A question I wanted to ask you, like
when it comes to clutch player. It's a how much
owners do you put on a clutch as far as oh,
this is our backs against the wall, this is a
big game for our team, our seasons on the line,
Like you got those Lebron Game six in Boston, like

(22:48):
when they about to be eliminated, all the pressure on him.
He had one of the best games of his career
since the heat Bass against the Wall. D Wade turned up,
turned up a level and carried him to a chip
Like It's not necessarily always.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
A big shot that wins you the game.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Sometimes it's a stepping up in a big moment, having
forty in a game that your team needs it, right.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, No, I mean that's why I was saying the
criteria carrying them, carrying your team, putting your team on
the back.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Because you know that's expected. Especially sometimes it be bench
guys that might go off of fifteen and have the
number called, And I think that's the beauty of basketball.
I know we like to point out one person, but
at the end of the day, it's a team sport
and y'all are all professionals and are able capable to
go off. When you go off, that's why you own

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that team. So when you see a guy like dang Man,
he ain't played all series. Sometimes it working their favor,
sometimes it don't, you know what I mean. But at
the end of the day, when they do it, just
show how cold y'all really are, you know what I mean?
No matter what a fan think, you can get up
off the couch and really go get it facts. Yep,
this guy he from back at the crib. But he

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pissed me off. You can't watch Paul Peers. Yeah, Paul Pierce. No,
he cold, bro he cold. But like the wheelchair thing,
it was just a lot of antics to that OA series.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, and like I said, I was rolling with it.
But he he cold man because his game ain't fast.
It's very old man. But he gonna get his shot
inside how and he might sneaky bang on you. Shaq
has dubbed this man the truth. He delivered so many times,
especially the MVP, the finals MVP run averaging twenty one

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point eight and just super clutch man and his reputation.
He's screaming in your face. He was a true leader
of that Boston team.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
To me, he made for this conversation.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Like his game is clutch game winners written all over it,
Like you know he one of them guys. You can
throw the ball at the elbow on the wing, he
gonna run the clock down. He's gonna get to a
spot more times than not. He gonna knock the shot down.
Like we know when you in Boston all those years,
they knew, like it was a close game towards the

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end of the fourth. We got Paul Pierce on our team,
and he gonna give us a chance, right like he
did it over and over and he had to respect it.
Like you you could like see the fear and broad
towards the end of the game. Like when they matched up,
it was like, I mean he wanted to be close.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
When you young and you see Paul Pierce now and
you don't know what type of player he is, and
he'd be like, yo, I motivated broun or I was
his rival, Like it's no camp in that, Like he
was really he really was like in their way. But
also like guys came to play with him. It wasn't
nothing the way around. Guys came to play with him, bro,

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Like he was like.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
That that's a good point that said something right.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Like like I know, like people we all love KG,
I love reality, but like, yo, Paul Pierce was the
guy y'all went to my team Like think about that.
I mean again, We're gonna talk about them chokers another time.
But a lot of them guys deferred like they didn't
want that shot. They was glad that they had the

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truth on them.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
When you build these big threes, you can have three superstars,
but we all know deep down, I gotta team up
with one guy or I gotta be on it. You know,
I gotta have one guy on the team. That's end
of the game, fourth quarter we can count on, like you,
It's not all on me to make the play. You
know what I'm saying, I gotta go play with Paul Pierce.
I gotta go play with Chauncey or you know what

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I'm saying, cold Like make my life easy, bro, my
life easier.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Down to stretch.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, when you get them type of players, when you
know you can hot potato, you're like, whoa. You know it,
feel a little bit better man because you don't getting
all the blame. You gotta be okay. That's another thing
about the clutch. You gotta be okay with missing. Yeah,
and you gotta be okay with like failure, you.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Gotta okay with the blame.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
And it was even though two thousands, I'm talking about
two thousands, and it wasn't really the era towards the end,
maybe the era of the first takes and those talking
heads after every game. If I miss a game winner,
I'm getting killed. M They still got the heat for
not showing up towards the end of the game. Like
it was local guys, local radio, your beat writer, you

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know what I'm saying, talking about you and your fans
killing you in your home city. But you had to
step up to the challenge, especially in a place like Boston.
We're talking about Paul here.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Everybody's like, why y, I ain't talking about Bron He
should have been the most clutch. Yeah, let's talk about
Bron in this era two thousand and two thousand and nine,
Like obviously he was there three good six seasons, first
six seasons. Let's be realistic and go back in time
where that was the tagline that he was not clutch.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, and it was it was valid, It was valid.
I'm usually not one of those guys like clutch overrated.
Sometimes I just miss a shot. A guy will miss
a shot is open. Sometimes he made the right play
kicking into the open man and he missed it, not
necessarily shot away from the moment. But you can see
it written all over bron And in the two thousands, like, yeah,

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he didn't know what to get to down the clutch,
and part of it was his game, like he needed
to get to the rim.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
He didn't trust the jump shot. He didn't he didn't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Have a go to one on one move that he
that he knew he could get to a spot and
knocked down towards the end of the game, and then
all just all piled up, piled up, piled up to
where it got in his head and he wasn't mentally
there yet and comfortable with himself to be able to
I'm gonna keep taking a shot or I'm gonna keep
kicking it to the open man. He was kind of
in between the me.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, the good thing about those failures they turned into
motivation for him to get the right He overcame it,
and I think that's the beauty of it. Which he'll
be maybe discussed, like I mean, he would for sure
be discussed in the twenty tens clutch players, but you know,
that's the beauty of this this thing. We're not comparing
eras and placing a full specter of twenty two years

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of his career. We were focusing on the first six
years of his career, which you know he went through
some some some battles. Man, those Detroit teams, those Boston teams,
and you know they defended him. You go look back
at his stats and you're like, oh, he didn't play
it in anybody, But like he deferred a lot man,
he passed that ball man, and yes he was making
the right play.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
But we talked about the.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Kobe Bryant early on. Are you do you trust anybody
else on the floor to take this shot or you're
gonna take it yourself? You know what I mean? And
I think that's important, man, because the fans is paying
their harder money to see you win it, not anybody else,
despite you making it. Now, the player makes it, you're
a hero. You make the right play. But if they missed,

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they calling you scary. And I think that's like the
lose lose situation of it. And bron made a lot
of right plays. He's not wrong, but at the end
of the day, people would have been Okay, with living
with the moment, I mean the idea that he took
the shot and he tried.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
On top of that, he didn't like We talked about
he wasn't a good free throw shooter, and he knew
like he had to drive the ball most of the time.
He didn't want to get foul, so he didn't like
he didn't want to be at that free throw line
it in the game, and that that mentality if I
don't want to attack, I don't want to I don't
want to have to go to the line to make
two to win the game affected his play in all

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different senses.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Towards the end of the.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Game, we don't see it as much anymore. But when
he used to cut his nails, Oh, he used to
chew on them, chew on them and do all that.
Like I was like, oh, that's nerves, that's nerves. He
might not display it because he looked cool as a
fan out in the court, but he looked has nerves.
But he cold, hey cold. They showed some of them

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clips I think yesterday, and I was like, you know,
people not even realize he hooping like fatigue off. He
played one speed. He ain't know how to like like
Now he a little bit more. He can shoot the three.
He takes money in the polls, bang out, he had
like he became a three level score. But back then
he's trying to dunk everything.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
He was trying to get in a transition everything.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Get the poke out still, push it, forward it and fly.
That's it. That was his band game.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And he was and he was.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
He was competing against seasoned vets.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
That been in that moment over and over. He's competing
against the like.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
To be fair, he was twenty two. Yeah he's young. Yeah, yeah,
to be fair, Like I said, we're not trying to
like to kill even go after him like that. But
I mean, I think at the idea of it, it
was like there was a fear there at one point
in time. He did fear taking them shots.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
That's what we're here for. We can be critical in
this sense in this era. Yeah, you know, and a
lot of different conversations on this pot. He's gonna get
plenty of flowers. He gonna be number one.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Absolutely, list absolutely man for sure. Any names that you
felt we missed out on that that were truly clutched,
I got.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
A couple, okay, One.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Reggie Miller Reggie Miller for sure. I know he's on
the back end. I think the only only pushback I
had about Reggie and not this guy he was nineties,
but it carried over. It was a reputation, so that
the reputation part was like, like, you you ain't did
it in a while to get a consecutive enough in
this era, but you know you can't fall asleep.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Move on, we got a big one. We got to
talk about his dirt.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
You're right, You're right, You're right. I messed up on that.
He should be on.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
There because he was his regular season, like it seemed
like once a week he was hitting the game winner. Yes,
off the one leg. We talked about the Dirk fade,
one leg, go to move. You knew where it was
gonna be. You knew what he was getting to is
whether he was gonna miss it or make it. His numbers,
not to get into the numbers or whatever, but his
efficiency and all that of all the guys with the

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most with the most clutch or game winning shots during
the two thousands, he had the highest field goal percentage
of all those guys. So he was getting it done
on a regular basis. And like I said, they kept
it close. There wasn't too much he could do with
Dirk when it came to a game winner.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, no, I like that entry. I like that entry.
That's a good one right there. You actually helped my
five out. Hey you have five out for sure?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Man messed up.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's all good man. But look what about yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
What about ya? No?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, no high volume again, he had the no fear. Yeah,
he was okay with missing it. But I don't think
he was just that clutch for me. I think I
think he was just a high volume story. And you know,
he did his thing.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I think his sides hurt him a lot. And that's
just you know what.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Vince Carter. Vince Carter him next years he made a lot.
He been in Toronto, Toronto two Yeah, that was the early.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Two thousands, Toronto. He made.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, Vincent, underrated guy to get to your spot fase,
looking like Kobe and MJ in those lights. So moments
like he gets he missed the bigger like you got
the one in two thousand and one when they played
the the seventy six ers. Yeah, in the playoffs, in
the playoff game. Seven my posts in that game. Actually,
that's why I always bring out with up my pot.

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They they're down in the fourth. My Pops hit two
big threes to cut it to give chance to win
the give Vince the chance to win the game towards
the end of the game, and he missed it. But
uh no, miss got to it in the coluction. He's
one of those guys too.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean that's a prime example of what we're talking about. Right,
your dad helped the run. Yeah, right, yeah, he helped
the run. Like, think about this, he helped the run.
He made two big shots. Probably could have made the third. Yeah,
that's get but he had to get off the rock.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Listen, you're talking about could have made the third.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I remember watching the game, so me and me and Stephan,
all the family the career watching the game. He's hit
two big threes. I forgot what. They were down two
or three or whatever, and I'm like, why is it coming?
They come out of a huddle time out and Pops
is taking the ball the bounce. Yeah, I'm like, why
is he taking the ball out? We expect them to
get the shot.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But but that's Vince team. He that guy.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Imagine Vin's not getting that shot though.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, if he missed, that's one of the things like
do you go to the hot hand or do you
go to Vince?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Who is his team? He the best player, he's clutching,
he clutches to come.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
You gotta go the hot hand, especially if you.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
But if you give it to somebody else and they
miss it's like, oh, what should have gave it the Vince.
That's that's why you get That's why the coaches get
paid the big bucks.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, to draw off that play, make that decision and
live with it. Yeah, yeah, no, that's a fact. Man.
Do you feel t mac.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
All right?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
They lost a lot of games.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Max my guy, and I can't but I can't put
t Mac in. This's just he he never got it done. Really,
from from my memory and thinking back on it, he
was in a few of those situations. Not allow of
the playoffs obviously because he wasn't there a lot, but
in the regular season, I felt like he always he
missed him.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, point Blake period. He's that guy.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Regularly he's put up big numbers, but would have got
the clutch time and ISOs and when it was his
chance to put teams away or make the big shot.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
For some reason, he wasn't knocking him down.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
And I got to say, I mean, I can go
back and check the numbers and see the percentages and whatnot,
but that's what I feel.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, look, I ain't arguing with it. I mean, mack
ca and makeup he get the finished legacy, can come
on here and defind the legacy. But from what I remember,
I don't recall. I mean, I know he made some
game winners, but he lost a lot of games too,
especially in Orlando. So you know, individually, I thought, like, yes,
we were talking about scores, he's gonna get all the

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flowers in love. But in his clutch moments, obviously he
has one of the greatest clutch moments of thirteen points
in eleven seconds or something like that, or nine seconds.
I don't know one of.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
The next, but I felt I got the numbers.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Okay, Since two thousand, his clutch field goal percentage is
thirty seven thirty seven out of two hundred and sixty
six field goals in the clutch.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
So that's not great. When you got Dirk, who's forty three.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's the uh yeah, So I mean, yeah, Dirk's up
there at the top of forty three, forty four at
taking four hundred and forty three attempts.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
So Dirk ben in Derk been in a lot of
situations to to win that thing. So yeah, he definitely
in there.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I had one more player that just popped up in
my mind that we cant to show some love to
two time MVP Steve Nash. Steve Nash, Clutch Steve Nash,
like just he would get underrated clutch guy.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, hen't though he's underrated, but he ain't make some
big shots and then he ain't under he ain't underrated.
I think I think we just probably just leave like
not obviously most of these guys on the list of
one titles.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah, he did it in a different way. He
wanted to just throw me the ball. I so guy,
he did he They didn't pick and roll a lot.
Yeah so, I mean sometimes the switch i os or whatever,
but uh, he made big shots and then like you said,
the free throws, like he one of the one of
the best free throw shooters of all.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Time and one of the most clutch.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
That didn't betray him it in the fourth quarter, like
he was having a ball, he was knocking his free
throws down. Having a guy on your team that you
know is gonna get fat when they get found is
gonna go to the line of not two is invaluable,
like the the importance on that to win to winning
a lot of games, advancing in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Winning championships.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And that's why the Wards is closed out so many
games because they had Klay Thompson steph two of the
best three throw shooters the all time, and he throw
Kevin Uran into that. That's three guys who if they're
up one in the end of the game, you're not
coming back because they're not missing.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, like yeah, clutch playing the chase, playing the chase
game for sure. When we come back from break, we're
gonna give our goat top five clutch players of two thousands.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
All right, trade, we're back.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's time for the go top five greatest clutch players
of the two thousands.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I'm gonna go ahead and kick it off.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
My number five is that I got five A and
five B and I'm doing it for the roll guys
who knocked down big shots.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's number five. I got Robert hoy at number five.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Five A and Derek Fishers five B.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know that I threw I threw a different name
in it that we didn't discuss but shot Fish. The
fish got some all time legendary point four shots. The
point four, a couple of swing swings off the off
the kobea shack traps that he knocked down in the clutch.
And I think even did it in Utah a couple
of times late in his career when he like he

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you knew if the ball found him in the game,
he was knocking it down. So Derek Fisher, Robert Hory five,
Number four co I mean, I don't really gotta explain
that anymore. Number three, Paul Pierce. I think Paul Pierce
went up a notch. He became one of the goats.
Towards the end of the game. He was getting to
a spot it was gonna be on him if he

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left the one on one, sometimes even double. He was
gonna take the shot. He was gonna knock it down
from three levels. He can hit the three to the MIDI
get to get to the rack. All of it. Number two,
my god, dirt, what's understood don't need to be explained.
Regular season playoffs. He got him a chip, so he
goes in a number two spot, and then number one.

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I don't even know if he got into it. But
I might shock the world here. Number one, Ray Allen, Ray.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Allen, Number one.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I know it's two thousands, and we didn't get to
the We didn't even get We don't even need to
get to the twenty.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Tens yet because.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Ray Allen, he this is when this is Ray Allen
on and off the ball, making plays, off the pick
and roll, hit big shots with Milwaukee was Seattle the
clutch g was there knocking at open shots, making place
for himself and then at the free throw line, so
he got the trio of clutch shots. And then when
he transitioned over later in his career, when he went

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to Boston in the late two thousands, he was he
had some big shots over there too, spreading the football,
Pierce kg Rondo making the play.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
He could have tow him in the fourth.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
It seemed like he always always found him and he
always made it.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So number one probably not even on your list.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Reality, man, Hey, you definitely shocked the world now because
I was cool, sugar Ray. He made a lot of
shots though, shots the sugar ay man, man, mine is
all right. Since you're doing five, v's go on five
b as Vince Carter. Okay, yeah, y'all have y'all have

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gotta have VC on there. Man, he got a lot
of game winning shots. My number five, it's dark and wizkey.
I got Dirk at five. You know that was a
lender from you.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
You you pulled up the stats and and and made
me wake up and sit up in class. So definitely
going with Dirk at five. At four one with the truth.
Paul Pierce, he gotta be there. You know what I'm saying,
Paul Pierce, big shots, you know what I mean, give
him the ball, get off the way, basically number one
option for that two thousand and eight Celtics team. Number

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three Mama mentality rolling with Cole. Cole sent a lot
of people home. Man, even though the you know, the
field goal percentage probably wasn't there. He definitely ripped some
hearts off man. So gotta put Bean at number three.
At number two, man got a nickname, bro nickname, go there,
big shot Johncey Phillips, the show going there, for sure,

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I'm pushing that. And then number one, big shot Bob
Robert ry Man.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
The cut.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
He getting one from me. Man, shout, it's the big
shot Bob Man. He might not get to the hall.
But he the greatest, Bro. He saved legacies. I've been
talking about this whole episode. Bro, if he don't make
the three in San Antonio, Jim Duncan don't get no ring,
he don't make the three in La Kobe and Shaq
don't get no ring. So you know, the dog dog

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really liked that for real.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
You had that butterfly effect like he if he missed,
he don't knock down them shots history.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I mean say the same thing for Ray in the
next era.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, some of my favorite top fives we would have done
so far. Yeah, mixed it up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I like I like the left field though Raybon one
that was left field. I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But I thought about it. I put some dogs on.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I thought I had you, Dawn Path. I was like, yo,
he we didn't even know be obvious.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Like I said, we didn't even need Miami Ray. We
didn't need it to get him the number one. So
but yeah, I like how you brought up Vince, who
I should have shown some love to throughout a little
bit more love too throughout the pot and then me
and Chauncey big shot.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
When you get a nickname, that's what That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Man.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
They known for that, They known for that. It's it's
hard for me to have him at the bottom barrel
because they actually won two. Like Rob got seven, Chance
got one, you know, like respect to the number one
player options too, by the way, like the Dirks and
the Paul Pierce's of the world and the Vince Carter's.
But like these dudes did, He's so good to a point,

(44:25):
like this is their job. Did you know they getting it?
Like John c played with Rashi Rip whoever he played
with Mellow, he getting appealed in fact, you know what
I'm saying. And then Robert Orriy just in the right spot,
bro all us. He just happened to be whether it's
a tip out, whether it's a swing swing, he and

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they know it's three cash. Everyone just hold up to three.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
He and them on list.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
But your Rob like he was so cool under pressure too,
Like he did it different. He ain't have no no
You couldn't see no stress in his face, the way
he stepped in them shots, and he just knew like
he knocking death.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's what I never seen him air ball.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I never seen him like you know what I mean,
Like he gonna make it feel like it's two people
that I watched the game and I think they never
gonna miss winning lead they hand. Yeah, Jordan, your brother
and now Robert Orr. At the end of the day,
Like Bro, if he ever put Robert Or in any

(45:25):
situation to win you a game, gonna win it. He
gonna win it. Right, he got seven of them things. Bro,
And I hate that conversation when they say he got
more than Mike.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I'm like, he's not doing that.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
No, But I'm saying I hate that conversation. But I
still say that he is a very important piece to
the table. When you talk about championship teams, a lot
of them ain't tasting champagne with all big shots, Bob
Bro for real.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Ray and the same goal for Ray, Ray, I read
a better player and all he going to the hall probably.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
And he got But and Ray have way more opportunities
because he was once a number one.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
But at the same time, how many people don't got.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Rings or multiple rings without reality.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
That's all right, We're gonna take a quick break when
we get back. We're gonna go to Born in the
wrong era.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I'm started off man, my player born in the wrong era, man,
and he played a little bit into the era, but
not really Paul Pierce, Piers would Peers have been cracking
right now in this league?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Tell me why man?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
What like the ISOs like healthy Paul Piers, he getting
to the Baja, he may range, he getting to the
he loved a three three level. You can't guard him, bro.
And in this and the whistles focused on the offensive
player easily average thirty, like he'd be a frustrating player.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, wild rock with him too?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Is we bring it up like this is he can
shoot the three off the bounce too, Like he got
this he had to step back.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Three, but he had a step back bro. A lot
of people so like he was doing the step back
like obviously Reggie was doing it too. Reggie Miller was
doing that joint too. But like Paul Pierce that do
the step back where boom right in front your boom
and you can't do nothing. You can't do nothing. He's
shooting a deep three. Oh you oh you want to
play up on that? All right, let's go down to

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the post. Yeah, it's gonna be a long night. Oh
you think I'm slow, Let me spin off you and
dunk on you. Let me get to the Baja and
bang out on you like he hard to guard. Bro
two P's was really like that The Truth for real.
That's why Shaan gave him that name, like he would
crack in this in this era, for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
We gotta do best best nicknames.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Oh yeah, we can do that, The Truth big Shot
and then got us some good nicknames in this part
that we need to we need to break them down.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
A little bit more.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
We're gonna get into my born in the wrong era
and I'm going with Lebron just simple for the simple
fact he took so much heat for his clutch performances
in this era. I started to feel bad for the Bro,
Like I'm like, cut, cut us some slack, Like we
need to go ahead, move Bron. We were talking about clutch,
Go ahead, move him to the twenty tens into the

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twenty twenties where he became one of the best clutch
players of all time. I don't need to hear about
the Lebron two thousands where he couldn't get it done,
where he was like like every it was the longest
summers of all time because he couldn't get it done
in the clutch, could make his free throws.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Will he ever win a ring?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Like bro end up going to the finals eight straight times.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I don't want to relt him days. I don't like
I was.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I was the biggest Bron fan just because I wanted.
I felt sorry for him. So bring him into the
twenty tens and let him let him become a great
clutch player.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, just start just started him off there.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
No, he started off into twenty tens and then now
he's like year ten, like currently year ten.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, going into once he got over that hump where
he figured it out. It was like like he was
making the right play, he was getting to the Baha,
he was bigh.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
That's a good hypothetical, Bro. If Bron was drafted in
twenty thirteen, right instead of two thousand and three. Yeah,
he drafted ten years later.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
You can't use some of it.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
You can't use that math series against him where he
had nine points in the game, like all his.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Threats is gonna work in his favor because a game faster.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, Like now some of the highlights of young broad
where he was you talk about the athletic in Miami,
like the athlete in his first thing in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It was crazy crazy, so we needed to see them.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I'll be down with that, bro, I'll be down because
that means twenty thirty three he'll be in your twenty. Yeah,
he would have been crazy. I don't even want to
know what twenty thirty three hoops look like, but he
would have been crazy just because just he's just on
some and he healthy because, like think about it, he
didn't start having his real injuries to.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Like the last four Yeah, so healthy.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
He gone steamroll his mentality. Oh yeah, he's out of there, bro,
stop it. We don't get Bronnie though. That's the thing,
because he'll be eighteen. We wouldn't give Bronnie. That's the
give up for that, you know what I mean. So
it's the trade off, but it's you know, and I
don't know how many rings he would win on that
if he came out in twenty thirteen, that definitely would

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be interesting. Man. It's been a good episode, man, This
is a good one.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
This made me think a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I enjoyed it. I know people gonna have some some
comments for this one too.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they gonna care, They gonna
they gonna came for they guy, Man, like come on,
because you know who else would probably would have been
in their money, Genobli.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I hadn't written them, I hadn't read them.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I did, Okay, Yeah, I mean, you know it's Rip Hamilton.
It's some guys in there, the mellows. You know, it's
it's some guys in there man that probably made you know,
made their case. But you know that's the beauty of it. Man.
Everybody ain't gonna make it, you know what I mean.
That's the that's for y'all to let us know. Man,
Make sure you leave a comment, like subscribe, Tell a

(51:28):
friend and tell a friend. Man about the pot. Man,
send us those d ms dot. Where can they find you?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
That's Doc Curry. Holler at me, Man.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
You can find me at Trey or at travaont on X.
We're back, man, we were moving.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
He's pushing these out.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Man.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I can't wait to continue to keep thinking of some
dope topics. Man for us to debate. Man, they getting fun.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
They'll serve you get it again. We out go go.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
This has been a unanimous media original.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Goat was produced by iHeart.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Podcasts and Unanimous Media. It was hosted by me Travon
Edwards and Steph Kirky. Executive produced by Stephen Curry and
Eric Katon. Co executive producer Klenna Maria Cutting. The executive
producers at iHeart Podcasts are Sean Titone and Jason Hinglish.
This series was produced by Derek Jennings and Peter Kutcher,

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co producer Kurt Ready. Original music by Jesse Woodard. Special
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