August 28, 2025 • 48 mins
Offense wins games. Defense wins championships. The axiom, like most general rules in life, rings true. The only thing more impressive than putting the ball into the basket in spectacular fashion is stopping an elite athlete from putting the ball into the basket in spectacular fashion. Defensive players are the specialist’s specialist. They study tendencies. Traits. Behaviors. Memorize opponent’s playbooks. They overview performances to a tee to devise a strategic counter-attack. Whether they’re picking a player up at the baseline for 94 feet, or establishing physical dominance at the rim, the defensive standouts throughout NBA history are some of the most unique athletes known to man — wired differently than most.
Today we have the HONOR of speaking with a player from the grueling 80’s era who hustled his way into the Hall of Fame by being excellent at his defensive craft, and served as the paradigm of guards winning the Defensive Player of the Year Award throughout that decade, Michael Cooper!! You do not want to miss the gems Coach Coop imparts from his playing days, and the insights from his 2025 Big3 Championship winning team. This episode is a real Westside Connection - tune in!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like, how did you prepare? How'd you get better? Ever
since at defending, see if.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We had the beta match you know, the little big,
old thick cartridges there, we had that, So we didn't
have the ability to where now with technology, you guys
can go how many touches? If this guy touched the
ball twenty five times? You go directly to that. Back then,
we had to watch the whole game, and so I
would put my data in there and just vat VHS
and put my pencil and pad and kind of go
through it that way. But back then we had CBS,
(00:29):
and it was always a tape delay. If it was
on the East Coast, you had the one game on Sunday.
So what I did is I had this is TNT
or TBS to turn the broadcast station started doing the game.
So what I would do is I would put my
VCR in when they had several games on, and I
tape all the games for that day. Usually they had
three or four games on, so I would tape them.
(00:50):
Then you have to go through the process of watching
that fast forward into what you want to see. So
it was difficult, but you know what I wanted to learn.
I was anxious to learn, and I knew I was
gonna get better by learning, so that was the route
I took. And many players, you know, Magic, he used
to watch a lot of films. We used to watch
the Celtics as a team to get their plays.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Before we knew them.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So when we got to practice, pat Riley would have
everything down. Okay, I saw that on this particular game.
So it was a little bit harder, but it was
fun because it made you really get into your craft.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Welcome back to another episode with greatest of their era.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Doc?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
The greatest of the era? Another episode, got a good one,
got a great guest today. I'm excited to get into
this topic.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Oh yeah, man, you about to learn something too. You
was too young for this man, So we're excited.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Before I even introduce our guests, I gotta give him
a formal, you know, introduction. Hall of Famer Michael Cooper.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Good morning, gentlemen, how y'all doing good?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Excited to have you.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Cooper is a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame,
won five titles. Put some respect on his name, please showtime.
Lakers won another two titles as head coach the Los
Angeles Sparks and it's an expert as one of the
greatest defenders of the nineteen eighties. Welcome to the show,
mister Michael Cooper.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Thank you man.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So I'm looking at your resume. Man, you know I
was born in eighty five. But you know, my family
love you, man, they die hard Laker fans. But you know,
we got NBA Defensive Player of the Year nineteen eighty seven,
five time NBA All Defensive First Team eighty two, eighty four,
eighty five, eighty seven, eighty eight, locks up, you know
what I mean, three times NBA All Defensive Second Team
eighty one, eighty three, and eighty six, and had your
(02:32):
jersey retired. You know what I mean by the Los
Angeles Lakers. Congratulations on that and welcome to our show.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thank you. In nineteen eighty five was a good year.
That was you born. A good year. Great year. The
first time we beat the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh yeah, tell us about that, man, you know what
I mean, your battles with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
First of all, who was your first defensive assignment in
that rivalry?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The first was Dennis Johnson. He was one DJ being
you know, he's passed away since then, but DJ was
a very close friend. We grew up here in southern
California together, so getting an opportunity to play against him
and the team that I most hated, the Boston Celtics
and the Laker organization, the city of Los Angeles hated them.
So finally overcoming that ghost so to say, of can't
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getting by them when that year was very it was fun.
DJ was my assignment at the moment, but then I
had Danny Ainge switched off to him, and then ultimately
I ended up guarding Larry Bird.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I got a quick question for you talking about those
those Showtime Lakers years and the run. Everybody thinks of
Showtime Lakers is offense, getting up and down running, But
obviously you don't win all those championships with our guys
like yourself and your role. How important was your role
or what kind of role did you play on the
defensive end and helping getting out in transition with your
deflections and stills and creating having and doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'm glad you said that, because again, when people think
about Showtime Lakers, they think about nothing but the offense.
You know, the sky hooks, the magic no look passes,
the worthy swoop to the hoop. But we were a
very good defensive team.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The one thing that we had is Worthing myself Byron Scott,
Norm Nixon just to name a few of the guys
along Jamal Wilks, were very solid defensively, and with Kareem
being as big as he was down there. But the
thing that made us very very good is that if
you had a low post presence, and back in the
eighties it was inside out as opposed to what it
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is now from outside, outside, outside, then inside, but if
the ball went inside. Magic not being a great one
on one defender, but he was the best double team
defender that I've ever had the opportunity to play with
and to see again. So his ability to double team
the post, get the ball out of there, and then
our rotations being quick enough to get out there, it
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enabled us to be a very good defensive team. And
you know, as you stated, we got our deflections, we
got steals, We made teams take some contested shots, and
that enables so time to become a reality because once
you miss and sometimes when you made it. Kurt Rambas
was one of the best of getting the ball out
of bounds and into the on the court up to
magic to make our transition game go. But the defense
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was something that we prided ourselves on. But it's just,
you know, I wish people would look at us more.
And it takes a basketball expert like yourself, Seth to
realize is that it takes defense to become a good
offensive team.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now you mentioned defense, right, and you know, obviously the
game of basketball, most fans are drawn in by offense.
When did you decide in your career are what part
of your career where you said, you know what, I'm
going to be a lockdown defender and I'm gonna take
so much pride in my defense that it became an
identity for you in your career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, you know what people don't know about me is
I've played two years in junior college and my sophomore
year I played at past the Inner City College. I
averaged twenty five points a game, had high high games
at thirties. We didn't have a three point line back then,
so offense was always a little bit in my arts.
But when I got with the Los Angeles Lakers and
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the first day I walked into trading camp, I saw
Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilks, Kareem Adul Jabbar, Jerry West, who
was a coach at the time, God rest his soul,
came up to me and said, Coop, and enough shots
for you, So you're gonna have to play defense. So
that was that was my calling card right there. And
then as I go on to further my career, then
you add Byron Scott, you had James Worthy, you add
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Bob McAdoo, more scores. So I definitely had to play
defense because I wasn't gonna get a lot of shots,
so I had to make my impact somewhere in the game,
and it was on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Now I liked that you said that because we talked
about this on this show all the time, like finding
your niche, finding your role.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And doing what it takes to stick out.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I mean, you know, everybody in the league at
one point was the best player on their team, scoring
at a hot clip. And you get to the league.
I say, you get to the league and everybody everybody's
that guy. So you got to find out what makes
you different, what separates you. And I mean obviously that
showed your basketball IQ, your yo your willingness to do
whatever it takes to turn that defensive that stopp r
and obviously that got you to the Hall of Fame
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and got you out a ring. So the IQ is
something we always talk about the great players of different
areas of just being able to adapt and figure out
ways to impact the game.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And you know, exet, I think the important thing that
you said there is to find your niche in a sense.
But I try to try to tell these young players
now when you are I don't care how big of
a score you are in college or overseas and coming
to the pros, and in some cases like Lebron and
Kobe comes straight from high school into the game, you
got to realize any NBA team you come to, they
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already got people that's gonna put the ball in the basket.
Sometimes some teams have four people. So you really have
to be patient, bide your time, understand the game of basketball,
and get in where you fit in. And most players,
I don't care you come in averaging thirty five in college,
but when you come in there, you're not gonna get
those twenty twenty five shots you're used to getting. So again,
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the fundamentals are important because the young players. Now I
think that's lacking because of AAU basketball, But that's a
whole nother story. We'll get into that another time. But
coming in, you got to be a good ball handler.
You got to be a decent defensive player. You got
to understand the fundamentals of the game. You got to
understand weak side defensive health. On the offensive end, you
got to understand be a good passer. You have to
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understand court spacing. So those things are crucial to players
that they're missing because of the lack of the fundamentals
being taught at the lower levels and in college. So
when they get to the pro game, if you don't
have those qualities in you or read the situation that
you're in whatever team you go to, then you may
not make that team.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So the defensive Player that your award was created in
nineteen eighty two eighty three season when you got there,
was that, like, you know, after having the conversation with
coach Coach West, did you make it a goal that, hey,
I'm going to be you know, I'm going to win
this award or what? Or was it just kind of
like a thing that just happened in the flow of
like you know, team defense in your own individual defense.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well kind of just happened. But again going back to
my friend DJ, DJ was a hell of a defensive
player and people don't realize it, you know, well they
do realize. But in nineteen seventy eight seventy nine, he
was with the Seattle SuperSonics, who were in Seattle at
that time. Now they're called the OKC Thunder. DJ was
a hell of a defensive player. So I kind of
patterned my game. I said, you know what the DJ
(09:25):
could get in the league that way, let me kind
of follow suit with him. And I started just working
on my defense. And you know what, as a shooter
and Seth you can attest to this. To be a
great shooter, you gotta go practice. You gotta shoot a
lot of shots. Well, defense is the same thing, but
you have to study a lot of film. That's what
I used to do, a lot of film watching. Understand
the players that I'm guarding, Understand our team concept of
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how we want to guard certain teams. And if you
get that down, then you can master a craft and
then expand on your craft. So for me, it was
just a lot of film watching and then as I
started playing my second, my third year, and when that
award became a reality, well, hey, you know, that's that's
what an award I can get. I knew I wasn't
(10:08):
gonna get all the NBA. It's gonna be very rare
for me to make an All Star team. I wasn't
gonna get first, second or thirteen NBA. So that defensive
award I tried to go after those, and that was
one that is really really precious to me because you
know what, usually that award goes to a big man.
There's only a few guards except for won that award.
So I'm very honor to have that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's funny you touched on that because I was about
to ask you, how do you How did you get
ready and learn players tendencies and what made you a
better defender back in that day. Because now today I
can after the game, I can get on my laptop
right away find every little clip of the player I'm
about to face. I can find how good he is
going right, how good he is going left, if he
likes coming off ball screens or pinned downs or whatnot.
(10:51):
It's easy to find that type of stuff. And shore
in the eighties, it was a little harder to find
a film on certain guys you're gonna face, So like,
how did you prepare?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
How'd you get better? Ever since? At defend it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Since we had the beta match, you know, the little big,
old thick cartridges there. We had that, so we didn't
have the ability to where now with technology, you guys
can go how many touches? If this guy touched the
ball twenty five times? You go directly to that. Back
then we had to watch the whole game, and so
I would put my data in there and just be
a VHS and put my pencil and pad and kind
of go through it that way. But you know what
(11:24):
technology has really, I think has enhanced and improved the
ability to be a good player in today's game. But
back then it wasn't that way. It was just the
commitment you had to make on wanting to learn your
craft and go to all lens. You know, basketball is
so accessible now, but back then we had CBS and
(11:44):
it was always a tape delay. If it was on
the East Coast, you had the one game on Sunday.
So what I did is I had this is TNT
or TBS, the Turner broadcast station started doing the game.
So what I would do is I would put my
VCR in when they have several games on, and I
tape all the games for that day. Usually they had
three or four games on, so I would tape them.
(12:05):
Then you have to go through the process of watching
that fast forward into what you want to see. So
it is it was difficult, but you know what I
wanted to learn. I was anxious to learn, and I
knew I was gonna get better by learning, So that
was the route I took. And many players, you know Magic,
he used to watch a lot of film. We used
to watch the Celtics as a team to get their
plays before we knew them. So when we got to practice,
(12:26):
pat Riley would have everything down. Okay, I saw that
on this particular game. So it was a little bit harder,
but it was fun because it made you really get
into your craft.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So most of the time guys go play in the summer,
they try to get better. Obviously you see a lot
of offensive stuff being done during those runs where what
parts did You're like, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
guard this player because obviously you're involved in pro runs
where you're like, oh, I'm gonna guard the best player
or just kind of try to, you know, learn tendencies.
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What was your main focus going into them? Pick up
you know, runs, getting in shape.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
My main focus was established that I was a tough guy.
You know, I was skinny, and I wanted to go
there and knock heads at everybody. And you know, at
that time in the eighties, we had a plethora of
NBA talent and here in Los Angeles. I mean you
go to a gym and see Reggie d Theis, Dennis Johnson,
Dominique would come out here, Magic and all the NBA players.
So we had some excellent runs back then, and it
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was open to the public, and you know, most of
the time you'd get some of your school yard guys
that could really hoop but didn't have what it takes
to get to the NBA or overseas, but they could
play basketball. That's what I use it for. I try
to be a tough guy. I got my bell rung
several times. But that was kind of me forming or
getting my edge on getting ready to play in the
NBA and learning you know, the and one mixtapes running out.
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So we were just a basic back down dribble a
little bit to your left, but still on that right
if that was your strong hand. But now between the legs,
behind the back, I mean, the things that seth him
do and getting open for a shot that wasn't available
to us. So it was just sharpening our craft by
going up to them open runs. And sometimes we played
this park. It was called Clover City Park. It was
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outside and in the summertime it was you know, it's
in a complex apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We go up there at like seven o'clock at night
and they had bright lights. We play up there till
ten o'clock at night, till the people started getting mad
and telling us that we're making too much noise. But
this was outdoors and you would see Magic Johnson, James Worthy,
Michael Cooper, I mean, all the other players coming to
Isaiah Thomas would come into town playing up there. So
it was a lot of fun back then and it's
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totally different now. But yeah, you hone your craft that way.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I feel like we need to get back to that
in a sense, just competing. Man, Like kids coming up
and everybody got a trainer now and it's all like
skill work. Too much skill work to me, and like
you need to get back to just getting in the gym,
playing pickup for as much as you can and finding
out how to win. Like that's when I was at Duke.
It's one thing Coach Kate always say. We were playing
pickup like it's a competition at the end of the day,
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basketball competition. Everybody can I mean, dribble pass, shoot good enough,
but you got to once you get on that floor,
it's about winning. Figure out how to put the ball
in the hole, how to get a stop, how to
how to win the game. And like I said that,
you hone those crafts playing pick up, playing against people
you gonna compete with in the season.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Like that's the type of stuff you just.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Learned by action and doing it, not with an individual trainer,
playing one on one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know what I'm saying, You go, You know, when
you go back to your hometown and you playing and
everybody's in the gym, there's probably about fifty people in
there and you only got two hours to play, and
you're trying to pick the five best players. Well, you know,
you got to compete still on the court because if
you lose, you don't miss four or five, six, seven
games you down the line, especially if you don't know
anybody that's picking next. So that was the thing right there.
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That competitive is that made you play hard, made you
want to win, because I ain't want to wait four
or five games to play again. So that's I definitely
understand what you're saying on that aspect. But Stephan Mesh,
when you were warming up, practicing and getting your game together,
and like you said, the kids now everybody got their
own trainer and stuff like that before that, and you
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probably came along right a little bit before that and
into that. I mean, was that something that that did
you tell your trainer what you wanted to do or
what he tell you what you wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I was in the I was kind of like like
you said, I was like the transition period to where
when I was in middle school, younger, I used to
just follow my brother around. We used to go to
the YMC every day and play five on five with
like older guys who were just trying to get to
work out and then we'll find out how to, like
you said, how to stay on the court.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
So we were just competing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And then when I got to high school, we kind
of got a trainer and it was like a mix
so we would we wouldn't go every day, but like
two three times a week to the trainer, and then
we would take that to the gym by ourselves and
kind of tweak it and do what we needed to
do because we knew our games, like, we knew how
we played and how we what we needed to work
on to be better. So it wasn't like I'm just
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following a role map of what a trainer telling.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Me to do.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, growing up, it was it was I know what
I'm good at, I know what I need to work on,
and then using the trainer to learn some new stuff
and hone them home own craft.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So I think it's a good balance.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like I mean, obviously you need to work on skill work,
but the most important thing is, like I said, it's
a competition. When you get on that floor, you need
to play. You need to compete play pick up And
that's au AU was a sticky uh subject too, because
sometimes you can play too many games and where it's
not meaningful, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Ye, All right, Well we talked enough about you know, uh,
your path, mister Cooper. I want to talk about some
of your peers that you faced in the eighties, you
know most of the time.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Obviously you see.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
These young guys don't do the enough research. They don't understand.
I'm glad that you mentioned that. You know, you were
very limited in resources as far as skill moves. A
lot of that stuff wasn't even created yet, It wasn't emulated,
like you know what I mean to a point of saying,
all right, I can do this, or even coaches saying
even with the freedom of like hey, go ahead, Like
imagine Kareema du Jabar being able to play some point forward,
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you know what I mean, or point big, you know,
it would be a different story. He probably had way
more than thirty thousand points. So I wanted to jump
right into it. Talk about how good of a defender
Michael Jordan was. They talk about this infamous year of
nineteen eighty eight where you know, he kind of ran
the table with awards, but you got a chance to
face them, you know, and can kind of address it
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better than what the eyes can tell because you had
a first person experience. How was Michael Jordan in that
year of his quote unquote defense excellence.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know, the thing about Mike and the what I
tell a lot of people is I had an opportunity
to play against a young Michael Jordan, the one that
was very, very athletic, the one that was notorious competitively.
He was just he was gonna go get you. The
great ones, and we'd like to all think we're great
in our own mind and stuff like that, but you
look at the Kobe's, the Lebron's, the Magic and Jordans.
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Them players got better as they got older. So when
Michael was younger. Back then, Michael's defense wasn't necessarily the
basic get down and contain and contests. Mike was just
very athletic, so he was able to anticipate. His anticipation
skills was some of the best man he could. He
knew when that ball was coming around, you could see
him sitting back a little bit on that offensive player,
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and when the ball got to that next pass to him,
he was already in motion. So a lot of that
was just his ability to have a lot of quickness
and anticipate real well. But then there was those times
that you got to settle down. So Mike was a
very good defensive player. I would not necessarily put him
with the ones that sit down on defense and really
guard you that way.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But Mike could get up on you.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I wasn't good at stealing, so I couldn't go behind
your back, let you go by and knock it away,
and I couldn't get my hand in there. My job
was just to contain you and make you take a
tough shot that was considered by defense. But Mike was very,
very good. He was a shot blocker. That was the
other thing. One of the leading shot blockers that year
for guards, and usually that award goes to the big
guys because they're the one defending the basket of Mike
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was a good defensive player as far as blocking shots
on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's good to know. On the next person we wanted
to highlight is Alvin Robertsons. You know what I mean,
Defensive Player of the Year nineteen eighty six, three times
steal champion, six time All Defense. How good was Alvin Robertson.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Alvin was actually better than Mike, and that because a
smaller version of that. But Alvin. The one thing Alvin
could do is he could pick me up full court.
Mike usually got you when you came across half court.
Alvin roberts can go up there and get you ninety
four feet and he'll he'll guard you the whole way
down and once you get lazy with that ball, he
was gonna get in there and get it. But another
one of his assets was he was good at covering
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that weak side defensive player when you can anticipate as
well as he was, he could see that ball moving
before it got around. So most of the time if
it went into the post, Alvin was good trying to
steal or coming from behind in that aspect. But again,
another hell of a perimeter defensive player, could guard anybody.
I mean, Alvin was what six three sixty four, but
could guard. I mean he used to take on Magic,
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you know, six nine, the big guys. So, but that's
a tough competitor, man, Alvian Roberts.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I love to hear that about him.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Uh, Sidney, how okay you're bringing some names out the past.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all sick over here.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I look, you know, all these guys you talking about, man,
are some of the ones that I learned from, and
we I think we all learned from each other. But
Sidney Montree, you know, before I talk about his defense,
I want to talk about the greatest poster picture that
Sports Illustrated every Did you see that dunk where he
had it behind his head.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, I know you're talking Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
If not, I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And it was us head on shot and Sidney had
that thing back like this, and I call it the
funk picture because you got to see it under deodorant
under him, and I mean a great, great picture. But
Cidney Montcrief a dear friend of mine, love him. Uh
Sin was a good defensive player because of his knees.
You know, he had some bad knees at the time.
But Sidney could go ard you from the three point
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line and end and he was He's one of the
best post defending guards that I've ever gone against or
had an opportunity to see. And Sidney was long. He
could come weak side and block shots. But again another
one with great hands could anticipate real well. But Sidney
was more of a physical You weren't going to back
him down. He was gonna bang on you, and that's
what made him a great defender.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, small fact, Sidney Mokhery first Defensive Player of the
Year award winning You said it was when it was
invented or when it was first brought into the league.
He won the first one. So yeah, uh, that's a
good little fact to know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I said, Okay, you got your just he locked in.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He locked in.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I was on the YouTube and I was looking everybody up.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Now you mentioned that he's a good friend of yours.
You got any personal stories as far as like y'all
going up against each other, or it was just a
funny moment during the game, that kind of just you
know that you can reflect on.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, Sidney didn't talk, and again that's the one thing.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
There was a lot of talking going on in the
league back then, but there's only certain people that would do.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But Sydney wasn't one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Sidney, you know, see the thing that when players talked
smack to one another, that's because they know that's gonna
affect you. But if they talked smack and they know
it's not gonna affect you, ain't nothing else to say
because it's about playing your game. So Sydney was that
kind of guy. Didn't talk much, but he did say
one time I went to the basket and he I
thought I had him because I was over him, and
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he just from Sydney was good with two feet jumping
straight up block my shot.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He goes cool. Come on, now, you know you're gonna
get that off.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
So another guy, Mark, two time Defensive Player of the Year,
eighty five and eighty nine, long time champion, five time
All Defensive tell us about Mark Eaton.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean Mark was a mountain. That's Mount Eaton, that's
what you called him. Mark was so big man I hadn't.
Mark was the first guy that I was afraid to
go to the basket because you weren't gonna be able
to score.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
There was artist Gilmour, Bob Lanier. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You know, I didn't play with will or Bill, but
those guys rival them. But but you figure, Okay, if
I go to the basket, at least I'll be able
to get the ball up over there. Mark Heaton Man
was just the mountain of a man and just long
and big and wide and strong. And uh, Mark was
just a shot block of deluxe. I mean, you weren't
gonna get anything. And you know the times that we
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played against the Utah Jazz in our playoff series, every time,
that was the biggest thing that we had to do.
We had to find a way to get him away
from the basket. Now he would we try to run
picking rolls with him. But you know what, Utah was
gonna let you shoot that jumper because they were gonna
die by that. But but you were not gonna score
in the paint against him. And Mark heat was one
of the best man, God rest his soul. I mean,
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a big old guy, left handed. Mark was just a
massive man, but one of the nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You ever wanted to meet. You know, Mark will block
your shot and say, oh, I'm so sorry and pick
you up off the ground.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Man, I love to hear that man, gentle giant man.
You know it spoke spoke volumes. I didn't mention Dennis
Johnson went to my high school. I went to Comor Domingus.
So we all talk about DJ right now. Nine time
all defensive, three top ten finishes for DePoy. You know,
highlights from seventy eight finals, seven block game. Man, tell
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us about DJ. You know you say you modeled your
game around him, just you know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I've been playing against DJ since high school and junior college,
and we were playing in junior college against their team,
and I remember this.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Our coach came in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He goes, hey, you guys, there's this guy out there,
light skinned brother with freckles. Okay, do not underestimate him.
And we're like, who the hell is this? This is
the first time I had heard of DJ. I mean,
you know, who the hell is this? So one of
our best guys, this guy named Greg on our team.
Greg was about six to eight, left handed, kind of
strong man. Greg went to the basket and DJ came
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from that week's side and jumped up. DJ was over
the square when he blocked the shot, and after that
we all started shooting jumpers and I became his friend
after But no one of the nicest guys you've ever
wanted to meet. I knew DJ's family, everybody's brother, all
of them. And DJ was a type of guy that
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wasn't a great score, but he could find a way
to score. I had long arms, and you know this
about DJ long and his hands were long too. DJ
had long hands and just one of the fiercest competitor.
When he was with Seattle, him and Gus Williams were
probably the fastest duo in the back court. Along with
Downtown Freddie Brown. They were that first trio combo guards
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that would really get it done. DJ was on the
defensive end, Gus was on the offensive end, and Freddy
was on that three point line, so they had the
court covered on all aspects. But DJ was a hell
of a player. Then he goes to Boston and revitalize
that whole thing. But DJ, Yeah, when I saw DJ play,
I said, you know, if that's kind of how I
want to play my game. You know, he could score.
Wasn't a great score, but he could score. A great
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defensive player. DJ started as a three but ended up
being a point guard. It was a great point guard,
good passer, good rebounder. So DJ, yeah, I miss him
to this day.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And we actually before he passed away, we were coaching
in the D League, which is now the G League.
He was in Fort Worth, I was in Albuquerque, and
so we coached against each other even after playing one another.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So he was a dear friend all the way to
the end, competing forever.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, like, yeah, hey man, basketball never stops, man. We
love that all right. To round this out, how good
was Bobby Jones? Eleven time All Defensive in his twelve
year career, and the both of his career became before
the award. He was a two time finisher of the
top five for d Boy. His nickname was the Secretary
of Defense.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well we used to call him white Chocolate because Bobby.
Bobby played like a brother man. Bobby was fast and
get up and down the floor. Coming from North Carolina,
just another absolutely nice guy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Bobby was very nice.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But again play with doct and Dyol Dawkins and that
group back there. But Bobby can could guard the floor.
I mean at six' nine six,' ten could guard. Some
guards but again his specialty was three fours. And fives
great on the. Perimeter held he's one of those players
that could actually get out and deny the wings and
stay down in the stans if you went to the
basket and he. Could block but the thing he used,
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To do bobby had go back into our guys and
look at some of the dunks that this. Guy, had
Man he bobby would fly to the basket man and
if if you, were sleeping he was gonna make you
go to sleep because he was gonna dunk.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
On You but bobby was just a.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Tremendous competitor, You know DOC and i are In the big,
Three now so we talk about certain Players and. Bobby's
won it always. Come up and again he was a
PLAYER that i kind. Of, LIKE okay i like the way.
He play he get out on, that wing a, good
rebounder get the ball out and then fill the wing
and end up with. The dunk so he did it
at both ends of. The court and again just another great.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Defensive, player yeah Talking About, bobby jones tre knows is
he was my MIDDLE school uh coach for two years Here,
In charlotte so he taught me to impoortance. OF defense,
I remember I think i was the seventh grade and
on the middle, school TEAM and I was i was
scoring the balls average like twenty. FIVE thirty I thought
i was a man. Out THERE but i wasn't playing,
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no defense and he. Didn't care he didn't care at
all how MANY points i was going. HE been i
remember he benched me one GAME because I wasn't i
wasn't giving no effort, on defense and he riffed. Into
me nice as, they come but he riffed, into me
benched me. One game and from, THEN on, I mean
i learned to impoor as the defense from.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Him himself so, you know not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
GREAT dude i think all of us when we go
into coaching or. That aspect we, want people no matter
how good or, you are at one end of, the
floor you got to have that complete game and set you.
Could have, you know he got on you about. That
defense that makes you even more important to staut on
the court because you're not. Hitting shots more than likely
coach gonna sit. You down but if you playing, some
defense a coach will lived with you. On that so again,
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that's again that's the Greatness Of. Bobby jones are passing
on that On.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
All right so you Mentioned The. Big three you've been
coaching there for. A while how did you even get
associated With The? Big three like, You're, saying hey this
is a, NEW league i want to be involved, with it,
you know especially leaving your coaching career With The Los.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Angeles sparks so for people that don't know, The Listeners
big Three Is Ice cubes league's three on three and
it's just everything happens at one end of. The floor and,
you KNOW when i first got involved with, THAT team
i didn't know how he was going to make. It
Work and i've been in this, LEAGUE now i believe
it's been. Seven years i've been in for six Years
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and cube treats it like a rap concert and there's.
Music going the music is live, and going and, you
know every city we, go to he'll get that local
artist or somebody to come out and get the. Fans
involved but the, players now the players that, we have
and my Team is miami three, or FIVE and I Have,
MICHAEL beasley I Have, MARIO chalmers I Have, REGGIE evans
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I Have sewn williams and we just Picked Up. Lance
stevenson so we got. A group we're four and. Two
down we're right in the thick.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Of IT and i.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Love coaching there's not a lot of strategic stuff that,
go on so it's more so just managing the substitutions
and at times managing attitudes and, you know trying to
keep the. Guys together but you, know what we played
for the championship. Last year we lost To, biv wack
a team Coach By, gary payton another great defensive player
in the league IN, the nba and this year were
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right on. The tracks but it's a league that's growing.
Strong man we got new audition. This Year dwight howard
Plays For La riot Swaggy P nick young that's.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
HIS team q.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Set it up where everybody the head coaches was somebody that,
was familiar so that that could kind of like attract.
Attention to So doctor jay's one of. The Coaches, george
Gervin the iceman, is one and the league's going, strong
man and it is on top of.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The world and.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Look, out for, you know the three on three competition In.
THE olympics i think should have come From The big
three to go. In there so look out For the
big three players And nice feo to make an impact
as far As the, olympics GO because i don't think
we sent our best three over there and. We lost
and this year we gotta we're gonna this in. Twenty
eight we gotta come back and get the wins on anything,
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with basketball And the big three is here.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
To.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Stay, yeah yeah three on three is a different it's a.
Different game you gotta kind of got get used. To
it it's a different type of shape you gotta, be
in and you really. Gotta guard Talking about gardener in,
this episode you gotta guard one on one a.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Lot more you can't help. As MUCH like, i said
this is a.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
DIFFERENT game i had a questions since you've been, coaching
here who's the. Best defender you've seen In The.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Big Three The.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Big, three hmm well right Now, It's lance lance seeds
and on, Our team lance is. Big, strong again you
don't have to run to that. Other end everything's happening at.
One end, so, again set you put it on. The
head you gotta be in great shape because everything is happening.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Right here with.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Having lamps on, Our team lance can guard pretty much
anybody on. The, floor uh guard ones and it's just
a lot of pick and. Roll action, but again you
get that io for about, seven seconds and if you're not,
playing defense you get shames. Out there we got something
called Bring. The fire you're, playing defense seth and you
go to the basket and you file, the guy but
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you think it's a. Good, BLOCK well i can go
hit this button and it's the fire. Shoots up it's
called bring, the fire and you and that player go
one on one from the top of the key and it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh it's mono.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And mono you can file a, little bit and you
got to be tough. On offense and if, you score
you get the basket and we get the. Ball out if,
you miss we get.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
THE score.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I haven't seen is that new this year or when
that when they.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Add, that, no no they've been, doing it but they
just kind of like really honed it. Down before they
used to give it to you have the three, point
line but they now you have to be under the
three point line at the top of, the KEY and
i think you get like maybe.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Four dribbles you can't. Be out they're dribbling. All day
BUT you i like that.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
At, that. Back y'all ha some real bump.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Right there that's definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Some BUMP except i don't care if. YOU listen i
don't care if you can't go for one. Hundred percent
you gotta play in this league, one, time man for.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
One year you're.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Selling it they'll give you your. Own team you can
get your, own team pick wherever you want to come play.
With you you's gotta have, five players so you get to pick.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Four guys like you're selling it. To me you're gonna
get me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Out there he a good salesman. RIGHT now i gotta.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Do this you gotta do, a.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Shoot man you ain't got, you know play a, little
defense and everything is switching so you can play off
and your your strength will be, your jumper because that's
what It's about, big three is.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
About, scoring YEAH so i think.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
About that we're gonna take a, quick break but when we,
come back we're gonna talk about our top five best
defenders of the. Nineteen eighties, All, right dot you know
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you know how we. Do it share your. Best five
you know we. Gotta talk we got a chance to
talk about some of. The greats we got a great,
On here so let us hear your.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Top five now.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It's tough for ME because i didn't see this era,
of HOOPS so i had to do. My RESEARCH but
I think i'm. Well Informed so i'm gonna get my.
Top five let me know how you like my, Top,
FIVE coop i did.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
My research here.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We go, NUMBER five I Got. Mark eaton i'm gonna
show some love for the bigs protecting. The rim, NUMBER
four I Got. Bobby jones Number Three. Sidney, MONCRIE two
I got coop himself And One. Dennis JOHNSON so i
know that's, your Guy. Is.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Johnson one you can't be too mad at me at
putting y'all.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Wanted to, All right i'm gonna get my. Top five,
Go ahead I'm gonna i'm gonna Go with oh and
this is very very. Hard Too but i'm gonna Go
With bill russell as a big guy because he's one
of the best in the games.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Ever played i'm gonna go with.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
As.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
A four i'm gonna Go With dennis rodman as a as,
A Four dennis, robmin, right Yeah. Late ais and, After
that i'm gonna go with uh this. WAS hard I Like.
BOBBY jones i, like HIM but i Also Like sat
sanders from The. Sixty celtics he was very Very Good.
Seth sanders i'm gonna Go With joe dumars From The.
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Bad boys and last but, not least i gotta have
Me a laker, in There and i'm gonna put and
y'all They think, i'm CRAZY but i gotta go with,
My Guy. Kobe bryant kobe Was a he wasn't like
the best, defense player but he was a solid defensive
player and people don't realize that. ABOUT him, i mean
you need to, go Back because kobe was pretty good
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as far as That week side.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Helped too, so, yeah okay they spenning, different eras, but yeah.
You can't we can't be.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Mad cold he educated us too with The sixty, celtics
TOO because i, YOU know.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I know that's against my nature to go, against them
but you gotta. Recognize.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Greatness, man hey look you just educated some of. Our listeners,
All right i'm gonna go, at five Uh With. Bobby jones,
AT four I got mj. Like that, AT three I.
Got moncrieff, AT two I Got. Dennis, johnson okay and,
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AT one i got you for, the eighties just because,
you know we talked about. The eighties your resume speaks.
For herself obviously you didn't, want too you, on horn
but you know when we when we look at it
and and and the, championships won and the contribution, that
you, you know you you helped and facilitate. Those wins. You
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got you gotta throw you, in there you KNOW what.
I mean you have to be. In there AND like,
i said the resume speaks. For yourself so definitely got
you in there. For SURE can i throw?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Something, out yeah, go ahead throw.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Something out let's go with the five, best scores five
best scores.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
What, error yeah. Best scores, go ahead tell you. Start
first five best scores, all time, all time. All, time okay,
all right here.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
GO five, i, know, Man five i'm Gonna Go larry,
Bird four i'm Gonna Go. Kevin, Durant three i'm Gonna Go. Kobe,
Bryant two i'm Gonna Go michael jordan and, Number one
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kareem Ab Doj.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Bar seth i'm.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
ON five I got tracy McGrady as my number. Five.
OUT four I.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
GOT lebron, i mean it, ain't pretty but he's all
the time in. The Score so bron bron.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
A scoring a lot of buckets.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
For.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Sure, yeah THREE three, I got, I got I Got
stephen curry.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Number three curry absolutely absolutely extended. THE range i mean
speaks for us like multiple uh scoring Champs And steph man,
NUMBER two.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I got cole and number ONE.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
M j.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's tough kind of goes just what we do here
in the part going against. Different areas we kind of
trying to keep it to. An ERROR but, i mean
you Asked for we're gonna give it to you our top. Five,
scores okay.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Here's bye, Number one i'm Gonna Go. George, gervin okay,
Number two i'm Gonna go.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Kareem.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Abdul jabbar, Number three i'm, gonna go and y'all may not,
like This But, Dale Ellis dale ellis.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
COULD score, I know i Know about dallas deal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
To score that.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Was.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Good score, Number four.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'm Gonna, go kobe and, Number five I'm, Going steph steph.
The greatest, And again i've seen a lot of BASKETBALL
and i, WAS like i never thought a team could
win a championship by shooting jump shots Until the words
did It With klay Thompson and steph in that group that.
They had and then To watch steph the things that
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this young man do and the way he has really extended,
the range and before LONG the nba going to adopt
that four. Point shot you, have to because these guys
are shooting way. Out there you. Have to steph has
changed the game. Of Basketball, and seth you're right. Behind it,
you know you're my. Sixth man you come up the bench.
And score but you guys have changed the way basketball
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is to be played and how to guard people by.
THE Way I seph curry has hit some SHOTS that
i just never thought anybody. Could hit and when he
was on when he first came in And the words
one that, first one go back and look at. That
shot every shot that young man hit in, the playoffs
it didn't hit, the rim and we're talking thirty thirty
five feet out there falling.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
All.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Net man so dep's, the greatest greatest Score that i've
ever seen in the game. Of Basketball and i'm not
just saying that because of, You Said But steph curry
is the greatest Score that i've ever seen. Play BASKETBALL
and i wouldn't have given him that like about five six.
YEARS ago i, Would, say okay, he's lucky but this band,
could score and he.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Scores Effortlessly, all, RIGHT man i don't even know what
that's a mic drop, right THERE but i know we
got one more TOPIC and i got to get set out,
of HERE so i don't gonna. Say this we're gonna
take a quick break and when we, come back we're
gonna do, our topic our favorite favorite, favorite topic born
In the Wrong with.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
All, Right doc we're.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Finally.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Here man this has been a. Great, episode man this
could easily be a two hour part if we need it.
To be we definitely gotta get cooped back on for,
another topic but let's just jump right. Into, it coop
who do you think was born in the wrong era
that can actually succeed in this current game?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Of basketball like somebody from, the eighties a good defender
who could who'll be better with these rules or just as.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
GOOD today I think kareem could play in this era because,
you know back then they used to really be physical.
WITH him I think kareem could definitely play in. This
ERA and I think doctor j would dominate.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
THIS era i can't get manage that. Like that, i'm okay.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Because you know you can't you can't touch.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
People, now Yeah and DOC was i Mean when doc
was at as young, when before when he played IN,
the aba if he's playing now instead of that time,
Over there doc. Would dominate he's average probably about forty
in this, Era, Now, okay no he Would Because, DOCTOR
man i Mean, live man he WAS getting i was thirty.
BACK then i mean that don't sound.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Two.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Thousand uh i'm not born in the wrong era. For
this i'm going with defenders from, the eighties AND like,
i said he came in the. Late Eighties but I'm
Going dennis rodman like he was The Young, dennis rodman who, was,
quick athletic like he was, versatile defender like he could
do he can guard almost one through five out there on.
The floor in, today's age when you need somebody to
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guard a lot of different positions and be versatile and
switch and do that type. OF thing I Think dennis
rodman could hang right there with the best of them in. Today's,
league yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
And, for me you sold Me On, Sidney Montcreef so
i'm Gonna Say sidney montcreef could actually do his thing
in this. Current era before we let, you Go, MISTER
cooper i want to know who is harder, To Stop
steph Curry Or larry bird To.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Be, Steph Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Steph larry the One thing larry did is that when
he gave the, ball up he, Wouldn't stand he'd, move
around he'd go set. A backpack he was gonna go
get the. Offensive rebound he's gonna go do something to
impact that play for. That moment steph the, Same way
steph is more dangerous without, the ball because you know with,
the ball you know he got it. Right there you
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just have to deal with his ball handling and get
down and contest. His shot but when he throw, the
ball that kid is in constant, motion man and he's
gonna go down the lane if.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
He may get.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
A layup if you don't, get that he's coming out
that week side on the defense on a, pin down
he's just. In motion so any player that after they
passed the ball and they can stay, in motion those
are hard players, of guards and those are the ones
that gave me. Most problems depth would be hard because
he's just. In, motion now the ONE thing i had
on my side IS that i, wasn't BIG and i
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probably could keep up with him athletically and. Speed wise
but if, he CAUGHT if i caught HIM and i was,
BEHIND him i would be in trouble because he's gonna
be able. To score, you know he could either hit
the fall away or he's gonna go to. The basket
and he shoots with both hands. Extremely WELL so i
mean it would, be very very difficult.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
TO guarding i got one more question.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
FOR you, i know when it comes, to defenders a
lot of their mentality just kind of sick of like
you're you're enjoy, the, Challenge, right okay we're being, scored
on getting twenty dropped on you every once in, a
WHILE but, i mean you enjoy. That matchup who was
your favorite matchup to guard when you, Were, playing like
who'd you get?
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Up for favorite? Match Up.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Was.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
LARRY larry i enjoyed guarding HIM because i knew he
was gonna bring. Something DIFFERENT like, i said when he passed,
THE ball i was have to box him out or
have to talk to my teammates about setting.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
A pick but he was.
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and enjoy garden was a Guy Named. Andrew tony and this,
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man i mean, he, could yeah three, six four and
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and he just. JUMP up i mean he can get
up in, the air he can elevate and she had
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was the hardest guy and he didn't. Mind contact you
can bang on him because he's gonna bang on. Your
(46:19):
Back andrew tony, was good, But yeah larry would be
the probably the, one tough toughest.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
To guard, all, RIGHT.
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Well, i MEAN like, i said this has been an.
Excellent episode we can't wait to have. You back can't
wait to See The big three in. Action too. In
person uh where can they find you on? Social Media?
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Speaker 5 (48:35):
Your podcasts
Like, how did you prepare? How'd you get better? Ever
since at defending, see if.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We had the beta match you know, the little big,
old thick cartridges there, we had that, So we didn't
have the ability to where now with technology, you guys
can go how many touches? If this guy touched the
ball twenty five times? You go directly to that. Back then,
we had to watch the whole game, and so I
would put my data in there and just vat VHS
and put my pencil and pad and kind of go
through it that way. But back then we had CBS,
(00:29):
and it was always a tape delay. If it was
on the East Coast, you had the one game on Sunday.
So what I did is I had this is TNT
or TBS to turn the broadcast station started doing the game.
So what I would do is I would put my
VCR in when they had several games on, and I
tape all the games for that day. Usually they had
three or four games on, so I would tape them.
(00:50):
Then you have to go through the process of watching
that fast forward into what you want to see. So
it was difficult, but you know what I wanted to learn.
I was anxious to learn, and I knew I was
gonna get better by learning, so that was the route
I took. And many players, you know, Magic, he used
to watch a lot of films. We used to watch
the Celtics as a team to get their plays.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Before we knew them.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So when we got to practice, pat Riley would have
everything down. Okay, I saw that on this particular game.
So it was a little bit harder, but it was
fun because it made you really get into your craft.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Welcome back to another episode with greatest of their era.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Doc?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
The greatest of the era? Another episode, got a good one,
got a great guest today. I'm excited to get into
this topic.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Oh yeah, man, you about to learn something too. You
was too young for this man, So we're excited.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Before I even introduce our guests, I gotta give him
a formal, you know, introduction. Hall of Famer Michael Cooper.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Good morning, gentlemen, how y'all doing good?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Excited to have you.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Cooper is a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame,
won five titles. Put some respect on his name, please showtime.
Lakers won another two titles as head coach the Los
Angeles Sparks and it's an expert as one of the
greatest defenders of the nineteen eighties. Welcome to the show,
mister Michael Cooper.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Thank you man.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So I'm looking at your resume. Man, you know I
was born in eighty five. But you know, my family
love you, man, they die hard Laker fans. But you know,
we got NBA Defensive Player of the Year nineteen eighty seven,
five time NBA All Defensive First Team eighty two, eighty four,
eighty five, eighty seven, eighty eight, locks up, you know
what I mean, three times NBA All Defensive Second Team
eighty one, eighty three, and eighty six, and had your
(02:32):
jersey retired. You know what I mean by the Los
Angeles Lakers. Congratulations on that and welcome to our show.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thank you. In nineteen eighty five was a good year.
That was you born. A good year. Great year. The
first time we beat the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh yeah, tell us about that, man, you know what
I mean, your battles with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
First of all, who was your first defensive assignment in
that rivalry?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The first was Dennis Johnson. He was one DJ being
you know, he's passed away since then, but DJ was
a very close friend. We grew up here in southern
California together, so getting an opportunity to play against him
and the team that I most hated, the Boston Celtics
and the Laker organization, the city of Los Angeles hated them.
So finally overcoming that ghost so to say, of can't
(03:19):
getting by them when that year was very it was fun.
DJ was my assignment at the moment, but then I
had Danny Ainge switched off to him, and then ultimately
I ended up guarding Larry Bird.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I got a quick question for you talking about those
those Showtime Lakers years and the run. Everybody thinks of
Showtime Lakers is offense, getting up and down running, But
obviously you don't win all those championships with our guys
like yourself and your role. How important was your role
or what kind of role did you play on the
defensive end and helping getting out in transition with your
deflections and stills and creating having and doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'm glad you said that, because again, when people think
about Showtime Lakers, they think about nothing but the offense.
You know, the sky hooks, the magic no look passes,
the worthy swoop to the hoop. But we were a
very good defensive team.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The one thing that we had is Worthing myself Byron Scott,
Norm Nixon just to name a few of the guys
along Jamal Wilks, were very solid defensively, and with Kareem
being as big as he was down there. But the
thing that made us very very good is that if
you had a low post presence, and back in the
eighties it was inside out as opposed to what it
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is now from outside, outside, outside, then inside, but if
the ball went inside. Magic not being a great one
on one defender, but he was the best double team
defender that I've ever had the opportunity to play with
and to see again. So his ability to double team
the post, get the ball out of there, and then
our rotations being quick enough to get out there, it
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enabled us to be a very good defensive team. And
you know, as you stated, we got our deflections, we
got steals, We made teams take some contested shots, and
that enables so time to become a reality because once
you miss and sometimes when you made it. Kurt Rambas
was one of the best of getting the ball out
of bounds and into the on the court up to
magic to make our transition game go. But the defense
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was something that we prided ourselves on. But it's just,
you know, I wish people would look at us more.
And it takes a basketball expert like yourself, Seth to
realize is that it takes defense to become a good
offensive team.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now you mentioned defense, right, and you know, obviously the
game of basketball, most fans are drawn in by offense.
When did you decide in your career are what part
of your career where you said, you know what, I'm
going to be a lockdown defender and I'm gonna take
so much pride in my defense that it became an
identity for you in your career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, you know what people don't know about me is
I've played two years in junior college and my sophomore
year I played at past the Inner City College. I
averaged twenty five points a game, had high high games
at thirties. We didn't have a three point line back then,
so offense was always a little bit in my arts.
But when I got with the Los Angeles Lakers and
(06:03):
the first day I walked into trading camp, I saw
Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilks, Kareem Adul Jabbar, Jerry West, who
was a coach at the time, God rest his soul,
came up to me and said, Coop, and enough shots
for you, So you're gonna have to play defense. So
that was that was my calling card right there. And
then as I go on to further my career, then
you add Byron Scott, you had James Worthy, you add
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Bob McAdoo, more scores. So I definitely had to play
defense because I wasn't gonna get a lot of shots,
so I had to make my impact somewhere in the game,
and it was on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Now I liked that you said that because we talked
about this on this show all the time, like finding
your niche, finding your role.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And doing what it takes to stick out.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I mean, you know, everybody in the league at
one point was the best player on their team, scoring
at a hot clip. And you get to the league.
I say, you get to the league and everybody everybody's
that guy. So you got to find out what makes
you different, what separates you. And I mean obviously that
showed your basketball IQ, your yo your willingness to do
whatever it takes to turn that defensive that stopp r
and obviously that got you to the Hall of Fame
(07:04):
and got you out a ring. So the IQ is
something we always talk about the great players of different
areas of just being able to adapt and figure out
ways to impact the game.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And you know, exet, I think the important thing that
you said there is to find your niche in a sense.
But I try to try to tell these young players
now when you are I don't care how big of
a score you are in college or overseas and coming
to the pros, and in some cases like Lebron and
Kobe comes straight from high school into the game, you
got to realize any NBA team you come to, they
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already got people that's gonna put the ball in the basket.
Sometimes some teams have four people. So you really have
to be patient, bide your time, understand the game of basketball,
and get in where you fit in. And most players,
I don't care you come in averaging thirty five in college,
but when you come in there, you're not gonna get
those twenty twenty five shots you're used to getting. So again,
(07:58):
the fundamentals are important because the young players. Now I
think that's lacking because of AAU basketball, But that's a
whole nother story. We'll get into that another time. But
coming in, you got to be a good ball handler.
You got to be a decent defensive player. You got
to understand the fundamentals of the game. You got to
understand weak side defensive health. On the offensive end, you
got to understand be a good passer. You have to
(08:19):
understand court spacing. So those things are crucial to players
that they're missing because of the lack of the fundamentals
being taught at the lower levels and in college. So
when they get to the pro game, if you don't
have those qualities in you or read the situation that
you're in whatever team you go to, then you may
not make that team.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So the defensive Player that your award was created in
nineteen eighty two eighty three season when you got there,
was that, like, you know, after having the conversation with
coach Coach West, did you make it a goal that, hey,
I'm going to be you know, I'm going to win
this award or what? Or was it just kind of
like a thing that just happened in the flow of
like you know, team defense in your own individual defense.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well kind of just happened. But again going back to
my friend DJ, DJ was a hell of a defensive
player and people don't realize it, you know, well they
do realize. But in nineteen seventy eight seventy nine, he
was with the Seattle SuperSonics, who were in Seattle at
that time. Now they're called the OKC Thunder. DJ was
a hell of a defensive player. So I kind of
patterned my game. I said, you know what the DJ
(09:25):
could get in the league that way, let me kind
of follow suit with him. And I started just working
on my defense. And you know what, as a shooter
and Seth you can attest to this. To be a
great shooter, you gotta go practice. You gotta shoot a
lot of shots. Well, defense is the same thing, but
you have to study a lot of film. That's what
I used to do, a lot of film watching. Understand
the players that I'm guarding, Understand our team concept of
(09:48):
how we want to guard certain teams. And if you
get that down, then you can master a craft and
then expand on your craft. So for me, it was
just a lot of film watching and then as I
started playing my second, my third year, and when that
award became a reality, well, hey, you know, that's that's
what an award I can get. I knew I wasn't
(10:08):
gonna get all the NBA. It's gonna be very rare
for me to make an All Star team. I wasn't
gonna get first, second or thirteen NBA. So that defensive
award I tried to go after those, and that was
one that is really really precious to me because you
know what, usually that award goes to a big man.
There's only a few guards except for won that award.
So I'm very honor to have that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's funny you touched on that because I was about
to ask you, how do you How did you get
ready and learn players tendencies and what made you a
better defender back in that day. Because now today I
can after the game, I can get on my laptop
right away find every little clip of the player I'm
about to face. I can find how good he is
going right, how good he is going left, if he
likes coming off ball screens or pinned downs or whatnot.
(10:51):
It's easy to find that type of stuff. And shore
in the eighties, it was a little harder to find
a film on certain guys you're gonna face, So like,
how did you prepare?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
How'd you get better? Ever since? At defend it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Since we had the beta match, you know, the little big,
old thick cartridges there. We had that, so we didn't
have the ability to where now with technology, you guys
can go how many touches? If this guy touched the
ball twenty five times? You go directly to that. Back
then we had to watch the whole game, and so
I would put my data in there and just be
a VHS and put my pencil and pad and kind
of go through it that way. But you know what
(11:24):
technology has really, I think has enhanced and improved the
ability to be a good player in today's game. But
back then it wasn't that way. It was just the
commitment you had to make on wanting to learn your
craft and go to all lens. You know, basketball is
so accessible now, but back then we had CBS and
(11:44):
it was always a tape delay. If it was on
the East Coast, you had the one game on Sunday.
So what I did is I had this is TNT
or TBS, the Turner broadcast station started doing the game.
So what I would do is I would put my
VCR in when they have several games on, and I
tape all the games for that day. Usually they had
three or four games on, so I would tape them.
(12:05):
Then you have to go through the process of watching
that fast forward into what you want to see. So
it is it was difficult, but you know what I
wanted to learn. I was anxious to learn, and I
knew I was gonna get better by learning, So that
was the route I took. And many players, you know Magic,
he used to watch a lot of film. We used
to watch the Celtics as a team to get their
plays before we knew them. So when we got to practice,
(12:26):
pat Riley would have everything down. Okay, I saw that
on this particular game. So it was a little bit harder,
but it was fun because it made you really get
into your craft.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So most of the time guys go play in the summer,
they try to get better. Obviously you see a lot
of offensive stuff being done during those runs where what
parts did You're like, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
guard this player because obviously you're involved in pro runs
where you're like, oh, I'm gonna guard the best player
or just kind of try to, you know, learn tendencies.
(12:55):
What was your main focus going into them? Pick up
you know, runs, getting in shape.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
My main focus was established that I was a tough guy.
You know, I was skinny, and I wanted to go
there and knock heads at everybody. And you know, at
that time in the eighties, we had a plethora of
NBA talent and here in Los Angeles. I mean you
go to a gym and see Reggie d Theis, Dennis Johnson,
Dominique would come out here, Magic and all the NBA players.
So we had some excellent runs back then, and it
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was open to the public, and you know, most of
the time you'd get some of your school yard guys
that could really hoop but didn't have what it takes
to get to the NBA or overseas, but they could
play basketball. That's what I use it for. I try
to be a tough guy. I got my bell rung
several times. But that was kind of me forming or
getting my edge on getting ready to play in the
NBA and learning you know, the and one mixtapes running out.
(13:44):
So we were just a basic back down dribble a
little bit to your left, but still on that right
if that was your strong hand. But now between the legs,
behind the back, I mean, the things that seth him
do and getting open for a shot that wasn't available
to us. So it was just sharpening our craft by
going up to them open runs. And sometimes we played
this park. It was called Clover City Park. It was
(14:07):
outside and in the summertime it was you know, it's
in a complex apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We go up there at like seven o'clock at night
and they had bright lights. We play up there till
ten o'clock at night, till the people started getting mad
and telling us that we're making too much noise. But
this was outdoors and you would see Magic Johnson, James Worthy,
Michael Cooper, I mean, all the other players coming to
Isaiah Thomas would come into town playing up there. So
it was a lot of fun back then and it's
(14:36):
totally different now. But yeah, you hone your craft that way.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I feel like we need to get back to that
in a sense, just competing. Man, Like kids coming up
and everybody got a trainer now and it's all like
skill work. Too much skill work to me, and like
you need to get back to just getting in the gym,
playing pickup for as much as you can and finding
out how to win. Like that's when I was at Duke.
It's one thing Coach Kate always say. We were playing
pickup like it's a competition at the end of the day,
(15:01):
basketball competition. Everybody can I mean, dribble pass, shoot good enough,
but you got to once you get on that floor,
it's about winning. Figure out how to put the ball
in the hole, how to get a stop, how to
how to win the game. And like I said that,
you hone those crafts playing pick up, playing against people
you gonna compete with in the season.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Like that's the type of stuff you just.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Learned by action and doing it, not with an individual trainer,
playing one on one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know what I'm saying, You go, You know, when
you go back to your hometown and you playing and
everybody's in the gym, there's probably about fifty people in
there and you only got two hours to play, and
you're trying to pick the five best players. Well, you know,
you got to compete still on the court because if
you lose, you don't miss four or five, six, seven
games you down the line, especially if you don't know
anybody that's picking next. So that was the thing right there.
(15:48):
That competitive is that made you play hard, made you
want to win, because I ain't want to wait four
or five games to play again. So that's I definitely
understand what you're saying on that aspect. But Stephan Mesh,
when you were warming up, practicing and getting your game together,
and like you said, the kids now everybody got their
own trainer and stuff like that before that, and you
(16:08):
probably came along right a little bit before that and
into that. I mean, was that something that that did
you tell your trainer what you wanted to do or
what he tell you what you wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I was in the I was kind of like like
you said, I was like the transition period to where
when I was in middle school, younger, I used to
just follow my brother around. We used to go to
the YMC every day and play five on five with
like older guys who were just trying to get to
work out and then we'll find out how to, like
you said, how to stay on the court.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
So we were just competing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And then when I got to high school, we kind
of got a trainer and it was like a mix
so we would we wouldn't go every day, but like
two three times a week to the trainer, and then
we would take that to the gym by ourselves and
kind of tweak it and do what we needed to
do because we knew our games, like, we knew how
we played and how we what we needed to work
on to be better. So it wasn't like I'm just
(16:56):
following a role map of what a trainer telling.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Me to do.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, growing up, it was it was I know what
I'm good at, I know what I need to work on,
and then using the trainer to learn some new stuff
and hone them home own craft.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So I think it's a good balance.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like I mean, obviously you need to work on skill work,
but the most important thing is, like I said, it's
a competition. When you get on that floor, you need
to play. You need to compete play pick up And
that's au AU was a sticky uh subject too, because
sometimes you can play too many games and where it's
not meaningful, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Ye, All right, Well we talked enough about you know, uh,
your path, mister Cooper. I want to talk about some
of your peers that you faced in the eighties, you
know most of the time.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Obviously you see.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
These young guys don't do the enough research. They don't understand.
I'm glad that you mentioned that. You know, you were
very limited in resources as far as skill moves. A
lot of that stuff wasn't even created yet, It wasn't emulated,
like you know what I mean to a point of saying,
all right, I can do this, or even coaches saying
even with the freedom of like hey, go ahead, Like
imagine Kareema du Jabar being able to play some point forward,
(17:58):
you know what I mean, or point big, you know,
it would be a different story. He probably had way
more than thirty thousand points. So I wanted to jump
right into it. Talk about how good of a defender
Michael Jordan was. They talk about this infamous year of
nineteen eighty eight where you know, he kind of ran
the table with awards, but you got a chance to
face them, you know, and can kind of address it
(18:22):
better than what the eyes can tell because you had
a first person experience. How was Michael Jordan in that
year of his quote unquote defense excellence.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know, the thing about Mike and the what I
tell a lot of people is I had an opportunity
to play against a young Michael Jordan, the one that
was very, very athletic, the one that was notorious competitively.
He was just he was gonna go get you. The
great ones, and we'd like to all think we're great
in our own mind and stuff like that, but you
look at the Kobe's, the Lebron's, the Magic and Jordans.
(18:54):
Them players got better as they got older. So when
Michael was younger. Back then, Michael's defense wasn't necessarily the
basic get down and contain and contests. Mike was just
very athletic, so he was able to anticipate. His anticipation
skills was some of the best man he could. He
knew when that ball was coming around, you could see
him sitting back a little bit on that offensive player,
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and when the ball got to that next pass to him,
he was already in motion. So a lot of that
was just his ability to have a lot of quickness
and anticipate real well. But then there was those times
that you got to settle down. So Mike was a
very good defensive player. I would not necessarily put him
with the ones that sit down on defense and really
guard you that way.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But Mike could get up on you.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I wasn't good at stealing, so I couldn't go behind
your back, let you go by and knock it away,
and I couldn't get my hand in there. My job
was just to contain you and make you take a
tough shot that was considered by defense. But Mike was very,
very good. He was a shot blocker. That was the
other thing. One of the leading shot blockers that year
for guards, and usually that award goes to the big
guys because they're the one defending the basket of Mike
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was a good defensive player as far as blocking shots
on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's good to know. On the next person we wanted
to highlight is Alvin Robertsons. You know what I mean,
Defensive Player of the Year nineteen eighty six, three times
steal champion, six time All Defense. How good was Alvin Robertson.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Alvin was actually better than Mike, and that because a
smaller version of that. But Alvin. The one thing Alvin
could do is he could pick me up full court.
Mike usually got you when you came across half court.
Alvin roberts can go up there and get you ninety
four feet and he'll he'll guard you the whole way
down and once you get lazy with that ball, he
was gonna get in there and get it. But another
one of his assets was he was good at covering
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that weak side defensive player when you can anticipate as
well as he was, he could see that ball moving
before it got around. So most of the time if
it went into the post, Alvin was good trying to
steal or coming from behind in that aspect. But again,
another hell of a perimeter defensive player, could guard anybody.
I mean, Alvin was what six three sixty four, but
could guard. I mean he used to take on Magic,
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you know, six nine, the big guys. So, but that's
a tough competitor, man, Alvian Roberts.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I love to hear that about him.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Uh, Sidney, how okay you're bringing some names out the past.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all sick over here.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I look, you know, all these guys you talking about, man,
are some of the ones that I learned from, and
we I think we all learned from each other. But
Sidney Montree, you know, before I talk about his defense,
I want to talk about the greatest poster picture that
Sports Illustrated every Did you see that dunk where he
had it behind his head.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, I know you're talking Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
If not, I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And it was us head on shot and Sidney had
that thing back like this, and I call it the
funk picture because you got to see it under deodorant
under him, and I mean a great, great picture. But
Cidney Montcrief a dear friend of mine, love him. Uh
Sin was a good defensive player because of his knees.
You know, he had some bad knees at the time.
But Sidney could go ard you from the three point
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line and end and he was He's one of the
best post defending guards that I've ever gone against or
had an opportunity to see. And Sidney was long. He
could come weak side and block shots. But again another
one with great hands could anticipate real well. But Sidney
was more of a physical You weren't going to back
him down. He was gonna bang on you, and that's
what made him a great defender.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, small fact, Sidney Mokhery first Defensive Player of the
Year award winning You said it was when it was
invented or when it was first brought into the league.
He won the first one. So yeah, uh, that's a
good little fact to know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I said, Okay, you got your just he locked in.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He locked in.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I was on the YouTube and I was looking everybody up.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Now you mentioned that he's a good friend of yours.
You got any personal stories as far as like y'all
going up against each other, or it was just a
funny moment during the game, that kind of just you
know that you can reflect on.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, Sidney didn't talk, and again that's the one thing.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
There was a lot of talking going on in the
league back then, but there's only certain people that would do.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But Sydney wasn't one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Sidney, you know, see the thing that when players talked
smack to one another, that's because they know that's gonna
affect you. But if they talked smack and they know
it's not gonna affect you, ain't nothing else to say
because it's about playing your game. So Sydney was that
kind of guy. Didn't talk much, but he did say
one time I went to the basket and he I
thought I had him because I was over him, and
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he just from Sydney was good with two feet jumping
straight up block my shot.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He goes cool. Come on, now, you know you're gonna
get that off.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
So another guy, Mark, two time Defensive Player of the Year,
eighty five and eighty nine, long time champion, five time
All Defensive tell us about Mark Eaton.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean Mark was a mountain. That's Mount Eaton, that's
what you called him. Mark was so big man I hadn't.
Mark was the first guy that I was afraid to
go to the basket because you weren't gonna be able
to score.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
There was artist Gilmour, Bob Lanier. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You know, I didn't play with will or Bill, but
those guys rival them. But but you figure, Okay, if
I go to the basket, at least I'll be able
to get the ball up over there. Mark Heaton Man
was just the mountain of a man and just long
and big and wide and strong. And uh, Mark was
just a shot block of deluxe. I mean, you weren't
gonna get anything. And you know the times that we
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played against the Utah Jazz in our playoff series, every time,
that was the biggest thing that we had to do.
We had to find a way to get him away
from the basket. Now he would we try to run
picking rolls with him. But you know what, Utah was
gonna let you shoot that jumper because they were gonna
die by that. But but you were not gonna score
in the paint against him. And Mark heat was one
of the best man, God rest his soul. I mean,
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a big old guy, left handed. Mark was just a
massive man, but one of the nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You ever wanted to meet. You know, Mark will block
your shot and say, oh, I'm so sorry and pick
you up off the ground.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Man, I love to hear that man, gentle giant man.
You know it spoke spoke volumes. I didn't mention Dennis
Johnson went to my high school. I went to Comor Domingus.
So we all talk about DJ right now. Nine time
all defensive, three top ten finishes for DePoy. You know,
highlights from seventy eight finals, seven block game. Man, tell
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us about DJ. You know you say you modeled your
game around him, just you know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I've been playing against DJ since high school and junior college,
and we were playing in junior college against their team,
and I remember this.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Our coach came in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He goes, hey, you guys, there's this guy out there,
light skinned brother with freckles. Okay, do not underestimate him.
And we're like, who the hell is this? This is
the first time I had heard of DJ. I mean,
you know, who the hell is this? So one of
our best guys, this guy named Greg on our team.
Greg was about six to eight, left handed, kind of
strong man. Greg went to the basket and DJ came
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from that week's side and jumped up. DJ was over
the square when he blocked the shot, and after that
we all started shooting jumpers and I became his friend
after But no one of the nicest guys you've ever
wanted to meet. I knew DJ's family, everybody's brother, all
of them. And DJ was a type of guy that
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wasn't a great score, but he could find a way
to score. I had long arms, and you know this
about DJ long and his hands were long too. DJ
had long hands and just one of the fiercest competitor.
When he was with Seattle, him and Gus Williams were
probably the fastest duo in the back court. Along with
Downtown Freddie Brown. They were that first trio combo guards
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that would really get it done. DJ was on the
defensive end, Gus was on the offensive end, and Freddy
was on that three point line, so they had the
court covered on all aspects. But DJ was a hell
of a player. Then he goes to Boston and revitalize
that whole thing. But DJ, Yeah, when I saw DJ play,
I said, you know, if that's kind of how I
want to play my game. You know, he could score.
Wasn't a great score, but he could score. A great
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defensive player. DJ started as a three but ended up
being a point guard. It was a great point guard,
good passer, good rebounder. So DJ, yeah, I miss him
to this day.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And we actually before he passed away, we were coaching
in the D League, which is now the G League.
He was in Fort Worth, I was in Albuquerque, and
so we coached against each other even after playing one another.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So he was a dear friend all the way to
the end, competing forever.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, like, yeah, hey man, basketball never stops, man. We
love that all right. To round this out, how good
was Bobby Jones? Eleven time All Defensive in his twelve
year career, and the both of his career became before
the award. He was a two time finisher of the
top five for d Boy. His nickname was the Secretary
of Defense.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well we used to call him white Chocolate because Bobby.
Bobby played like a brother man. Bobby was fast and
get up and down the floor. Coming from North Carolina,
just another absolutely nice guy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Bobby was very nice.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But again play with doct and Dyol Dawkins and that
group back there. But Bobby can could guard the floor.
I mean at six' nine six,' ten could guard. Some
guards but again his specialty was three fours. And fives
great on the. Perimeter held he's one of those players
that could actually get out and deny the wings and
stay down in the stans if you went to the
basket and he. Could block but the thing he used,
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To do bobby had go back into our guys and
look at some of the dunks that this. Guy, had
Man he bobby would fly to the basket man and
if if you, were sleeping he was gonna make you
go to sleep because he was gonna dunk.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
On You but bobby was just a.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Tremendous competitor, You know DOC and i are In the big,
Three now so we talk about certain Players and. Bobby's
won it always. Come up and again he was a
PLAYER that i kind. Of, LIKE okay i like the way.
He play he get out on, that wing a, good
rebounder get the ball out and then fill the wing
and end up with. The dunk so he did it
at both ends of. The court and again just another great.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Defensive, player yeah Talking About, bobby jones tre knows is
he was my MIDDLE school uh coach for two years Here,
In charlotte so he taught me to impoortance. OF defense,
I remember I think i was the seventh grade and
on the middle, school TEAM and I was i was
scoring the balls average like twenty. FIVE thirty I thought
i was a man. Out THERE but i wasn't playing,
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no defense and he. Didn't care he didn't care at
all how MANY points i was going. HE been i
remember he benched me one GAME because I wasn't i
wasn't giving no effort, on defense and he riffed. Into
me nice as, they come but he riffed, into me
benched me. One game and from, THEN on, I mean
i learned to impoor as the defense from.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Him himself so, you know not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
GREAT dude i think all of us when we go
into coaching or. That aspect we, want people no matter
how good or, you are at one end of, the
floor you got to have that complete game and set you.
Could have, you know he got on you about. That
defense that makes you even more important to staut on
the court because you're not. Hitting shots more than likely
coach gonna sit. You down but if you playing, some
defense a coach will lived with you. On that so again,
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that's again that's the Greatness Of. Bobby jones are passing
on that On.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
All right so you Mentioned The. Big three you've been
coaching there for. A while how did you even get
associated With The? Big three like, You're, saying hey this
is a, NEW league i want to be involved, with it,
you know especially leaving your coaching career With The Los.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Angeles sparks so for people that don't know, The Listeners
big Three Is Ice cubes league's three on three and
it's just everything happens at one end of. The floor and,
you KNOW when i first got involved with, THAT team
i didn't know how he was going to make. It
Work and i've been in this, LEAGUE now i believe
it's been. Seven years i've been in for six Years
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and cube treats it like a rap concert and there's.
Music going the music is live, and going and, you
know every city we, go to he'll get that local
artist or somebody to come out and get the. Fans
involved but the, players now the players that, we have
and my Team is miami three, or FIVE and I Have,
MICHAEL beasley I Have, MARIO chalmers I Have, REGGIE evans
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I Have sewn williams and we just Picked Up. Lance
stevenson so we got. A group we're four and. Two
down we're right in the thick.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Of IT and i.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Love coaching there's not a lot of strategic stuff that,
go on so it's more so just managing the substitutions
and at times managing attitudes and, you know trying to
keep the. Guys together but you, know what we played
for the championship. Last year we lost To, biv wack
a team Coach By, gary payton another great defensive player
in the league IN, the nba and this year were
(31:26):
right on. The tracks but it's a league that's growing.
Strong man we got new audition. This Year dwight howard
Plays For La riot Swaggy P nick young that's.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
HIS team q.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Set it up where everybody the head coaches was somebody that,
was familiar so that that could kind of like attract.
Attention to So doctor jay's one of. The Coaches, george
Gervin the iceman, is one and the league's going, strong
man and it is on top of.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The world and.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Look, out for, you know the three on three competition In.
THE olympics i think should have come From The big
three to go. In there so look out For the
big three players And nice feo to make an impact
as far As the, olympics GO because i don't think
we sent our best three over there and. We lost
and this year we gotta we're gonna this in. Twenty
eight we gotta come back and get the wins on anything,
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with basketball And the big three is here.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
To.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Stay, yeah yeah three on three is a different it's a.
Different game you gotta kind of got get used. To
it it's a different type of shape you gotta, be
in and you really. Gotta guard Talking about gardener in,
this episode you gotta guard one on one a.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Lot more you can't help. As MUCH like, i said
this is a.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
DIFFERENT game i had a questions since you've been, coaching
here who's the. Best defender you've seen In The.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Big Three The.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Big, three hmm well right Now, It's lance lance seeds
and on, Our team lance is. Big, strong again you
don't have to run to that. Other end everything's happening at.
One end, so, again set you put it on. The
head you gotta be in great shape because everything is happening.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Right here with.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Having lamps on, Our team lance can guard pretty much
anybody on. The, floor uh guard ones and it's just
a lot of pick and. Roll action, but again you
get that io for about, seven seconds and if you're not,
playing defense you get shames. Out there we got something
called Bring. The fire you're, playing defense seth and you
go to the basket and you file, the guy but
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you think it's a. Good, BLOCK well i can go
hit this button and it's the fire. Shoots up it's
called bring, the fire and you and that player go
one on one from the top of the key and it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh it's mono.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And mono you can file a, little bit and you
got to be tough. On offense and if, you score
you get the basket and we get the. Ball out if,
you miss we get.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
THE score.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I haven't seen is that new this year or when
that when they.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Add, that, no no they've been, doing it but they
just kind of like really honed it. Down before they
used to give it to you have the three, point
line but they now you have to be under the
three point line at the top of, the KEY and
i think you get like maybe.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Four dribbles you can't. Be out they're dribbling. All day
BUT you i like that.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
At, that. Back y'all ha some real bump.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Right there that's definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Some BUMP except i don't care if. YOU listen i
don't care if you can't go for one. Hundred percent
you gotta play in this league, one, time man for.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
One year you're.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Selling it they'll give you your. Own team you can
get your, own team pick wherever you want to come play.
With you you's gotta have, five players so you get to pick.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Four guys like you're selling it. To me you're gonna
get me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Out there he a good salesman. RIGHT now i gotta.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Do this you gotta do, a.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Shoot man you ain't got, you know play a, little
defense and everything is switching so you can play off
and your your strength will be, your jumper because that's
what It's about, big three is.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
About, scoring YEAH so i think.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
About that we're gonna take a, quick break but when we,
come back we're gonna talk about our top five best
defenders of the. Nineteen eighties, All, right dot you know
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you know how we. Do it share your. Best five
you know we. Gotta talk we got a chance to
talk about some of. The greats we got a great,
On here so let us hear your.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Top five now.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It's tough for ME because i didn't see this era,
of HOOPS so i had to do. My RESEARCH but
I think i'm. Well Informed so i'm gonna get my.
Top five let me know how you like my, Top,
FIVE coop i did.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
My research here.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We go, NUMBER five I Got. Mark eaton i'm gonna
show some love for the bigs protecting. The rim, NUMBER
four I Got. Bobby jones Number Three. Sidney, MONCRIE two
I got coop himself And One. Dennis JOHNSON so i
know that's, your Guy. Is.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Johnson one you can't be too mad at me at
putting y'all.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Wanted to, All right i'm gonna get my. Top five,
Go ahead I'm gonna i'm gonna Go with oh and
this is very very. Hard Too but i'm gonna Go
With bill russell as a big guy because he's one
of the best in the games.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Ever played i'm gonna go with.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
As.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
A four i'm gonna Go With dennis rodman as a as,
A Four dennis, robmin, right Yeah. Late ais and, After
that i'm gonna go with uh this. WAS hard I Like.
BOBBY jones i, like HIM but i Also Like sat
sanders from The. Sixty celtics he was very Very Good.
Seth sanders i'm gonna Go With joe dumars From The.
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Bad boys and last but, not least i gotta have
Me a laker, in There and i'm gonna put and
y'all They think, i'm CRAZY but i gotta go with,
My Guy. Kobe bryant kobe Was a he wasn't like
the best, defense player but he was a solid defensive
player and people don't realize that. ABOUT him, i mean
you need to, go Back because kobe was pretty good
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as far as That week side.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Helped too, so, yeah okay they spenning, different eras, but yeah.
You can't we can't be.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Mad cold he educated us too with The sixty, celtics
TOO because i, YOU know.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I know that's against my nature to go, against them
but you gotta. Recognize.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Greatness, man hey look you just educated some of. Our listeners,
All right i'm gonna go, at five Uh With. Bobby jones,
AT four I got mj. Like that, AT three I.
Got moncrieff, AT two I Got. Dennis, johnson okay and,
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AT one i got you for, the eighties just because,
you know we talked about. The eighties your resume speaks.
For herself obviously you didn't, want too you, on horn
but you know when we when we look at it
and and and the, championships won and the contribution, that
you, you know you you helped and facilitate. Those wins. You
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got you gotta throw you, in there you KNOW what.
I mean you have to be. In there AND like,
i said the resume speaks. For yourself so definitely got
you in there. For SURE can i throw?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Something, out yeah, go ahead throw.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Something out let's go with the five, best scores five
best scores.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
What, error yeah. Best scores, go ahead tell you. Start
first five best scores, all time, all time. All, time okay,
all right here.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
GO five, i, know, Man five i'm Gonna Go larry,
Bird four i'm Gonna Go. Kevin, Durant three i'm Gonna Go. Kobe,
Bryant two i'm Gonna Go michael jordan and, Number one
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kareem Ab Doj.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Bar seth i'm.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
ON five I got tracy McGrady as my number. Five.
OUT four I.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
GOT lebron, i mean it, ain't pretty but he's all
the time in. The Score so bron bron.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
A scoring a lot of buckets.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
For.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Sure, yeah THREE three, I got, I got I Got
stephen curry.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Number three curry absolutely absolutely extended. THE range i mean
speaks for us like multiple uh scoring Champs And steph man,
NUMBER two.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I got cole and number ONE.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
M j.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's tough kind of goes just what we do here
in the part going against. Different areas we kind of
trying to keep it to. An ERROR but, i mean
you Asked for we're gonna give it to you our top. Five,
scores okay.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Here's bye, Number one i'm Gonna Go. George, gervin okay,
Number two i'm Gonna go.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Kareem.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Abdul jabbar, Number three i'm, gonna go and y'all may not,
like This But, Dale Ellis dale ellis.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
COULD score, I know i Know about dallas deal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
To score that.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Was.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Good score, Number four.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'm Gonna, go kobe and, Number five I'm, Going steph steph.
The greatest, And again i've seen a lot of BASKETBALL
and i, WAS like i never thought a team could
win a championship by shooting jump shots Until the words
did It With klay Thompson and steph in that group that.
They had and then To watch steph the things that
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this young man do and the way he has really extended,
the range and before LONG the nba going to adopt
that four. Point shot you, have to because these guys
are shooting way. Out there you. Have to steph has
changed the game. Of Basketball, and seth you're right. Behind it,
you know you're my. Sixth man you come up the bench.
And score but you guys have changed the way basketball
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is to be played and how to guard people by.
THE Way I seph curry has hit some SHOTS that
i just never thought anybody. Could hit and when he
was on when he first came in And the words
one that, first one go back and look at. That
shot every shot that young man hit in, the playoffs
it didn't hit, the rim and we're talking thirty thirty
five feet out there falling.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
All.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Net man so dep's, the greatest greatest Score that i've
ever seen in the game. Of Basketball and i'm not
just saying that because of, You Said But steph curry
is the greatest Score that i've ever seen. Play BASKETBALL
and i wouldn't have given him that like about five six.
YEARS ago i, Would, say okay, he's lucky but this band,
could score and he.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Scores Effortlessly, all, RIGHT man i don't even know what
that's a mic drop, right THERE but i know we
got one more TOPIC and i got to get set out,
of HERE so i don't gonna. Say this we're gonna
take a quick break and when we, come back we're
gonna do, our topic our favorite favorite, favorite topic born
In the Wrong with.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
All, Right doc we're.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Finally.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Here man this has been a. Great, episode man this
could easily be a two hour part if we need it.
To be we definitely gotta get cooped back on for,
another topic but let's just jump right. Into, it coop
who do you think was born in the wrong era
that can actually succeed in this current game?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Of basketball like somebody from, the eighties a good defender
who could who'll be better with these rules or just as.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
GOOD today I think kareem could play in this era because,
you know back then they used to really be physical.
WITH him I think kareem could definitely play in. This
ERA and I think doctor j would dominate.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
THIS era i can't get manage that. Like that, i'm okay.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Because you know you can't you can't touch.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
People, now Yeah and DOC was i Mean when doc
was at as young, when before when he played IN,
the aba if he's playing now instead of that time,
Over there doc. Would dominate he's average probably about forty
in this, Era, Now, okay no he Would Because, DOCTOR
man i Mean, live man he WAS getting i was thirty.
BACK then i mean that don't sound.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Two.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Thousand uh i'm not born in the wrong era. For
this i'm going with defenders from, the eighties AND like,
i said he came in the. Late Eighties but I'm
Going dennis rodman like he was The Young, dennis rodman who, was,
quick athletic like he was, versatile defender like he could
do he can guard almost one through five out there on.
The floor in, today's age when you need somebody to
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guard a lot of different positions and be versatile and
switch and do that type. OF thing I Think dennis
rodman could hang right there with the best of them in. Today's,
league yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
And, for me you sold Me On, Sidney Montcreef so
i'm Gonna Say sidney montcreef could actually do his thing
in this. Current era before we let, you Go, MISTER
cooper i want to know who is harder, To Stop
steph Curry Or larry bird To.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Be, Steph Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Steph larry the One thing larry did is that when
he gave the, ball up he, Wouldn't stand he'd, move
around he'd go set. A backpack he was gonna go
get the. Offensive rebound he's gonna go do something to
impact that play for. That moment steph the, Same way
steph is more dangerous without, the ball because you know with,
the ball you know he got it. Right there you
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just have to deal with his ball handling and get
down and contest. His shot but when he throw, the
ball that kid is in constant, motion man and he's
gonna go down the lane if.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
He may get.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
A layup if you don't, get that he's coming out
that week side on the defense on a, pin down
he's just. In motion so any player that after they
passed the ball and they can stay, in motion those
are hard players, of guards and those are the ones
that gave me. Most problems depth would be hard because
he's just. In, motion now the ONE thing i had
on my side IS that i, wasn't BIG and i
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probably could keep up with him athletically and. Speed wise
but if, he CAUGHT if i caught HIM and i was,
BEHIND him i would be in trouble because he's gonna
be able. To score, you know he could either hit
the fall away or he's gonna go to. The basket
and he shoots with both hands. Extremely WELL so i
mean it would, be very very difficult.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
TO guarding i got one more question.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
FOR you, i know when it comes, to defenders a
lot of their mentality just kind of sick of like
you're you're enjoy, the, Challenge, right okay we're being, scored
on getting twenty dropped on you every once in, a
WHILE but, i mean you enjoy. That matchup who was
your favorite matchup to guard when you, Were, playing like
who'd you get?
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Up for favorite? Match Up.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Was.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
LARRY larry i enjoyed guarding HIM because i knew he
was gonna bring. Something DIFFERENT like, i said when he passed,
THE ball i was have to box him out or
have to talk to my teammates about setting.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
A pick but he was.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
The one but the ONE person i did not like
and enjoy garden was a Guy Named. Andrew tony and this,
Boy Here andrew tony With the philadelphia seventy six ers
and eighty Three From. Southwest Louisiana If andrew tony hadn't
to Tour his, ACHILLES tended i guarantee you that you'd
be here and talking. About him this guy brought. HIM
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man i mean, he, could yeah three, six four and
he's the type of guy that he lets you catch up.
With him he didn't want to run away. From it
he lets you catch up, with him size you up
and he just. JUMP up i mean he can get
up in, the air he can elevate and she had
a weird, looking shot but. HE could, i mean he
was the hardest guy and he didn't. Mind contact you
can bang on him because he's gonna bang on. Your
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Back andrew tony, was good, But yeah larry would be
the probably the, one tough toughest.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
To guard, all, RIGHT.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Well, i MEAN like, i said this has been an.
Excellent episode we can't wait to have. You back can't
wait to See The big three in. Action too. In
person uh where can they find you on? Social Media?
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Mister COOPER oh i.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
DON'T know i don't Do, so.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Okay, all right you got so you. Got it you
got to see him. In person you gotta catch him in. Real,
LIFE man I.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Think i Got. ON instagram i think somebody told.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Me THAT but I mean i have a podcast some
Time with coop insightful. BS that, i, mean yeah wherever the.
Podcasts Are but, i'm yeah come, See me come, on out,
Join us, come. Out seth you gotta get to a
game so you can see what you coming.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
In coming don't worry. About that i'm. In there check.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Them out except where can they find you? ON socials
i know That's dot curry on. All socials let me let.
Me know feedback is. Always welcome trade?
Speaker 4 (47:12):
What's up you can find me An at Trey, on
instagram at Travann. On twitter so this has been a.
Great episode go, Go.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
HEY so i gotta let people know where.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
They got we just throw it, out there just, a
case just the case you never, found yeah your. Personal
opinion if they want, to argue you gotta let them
know where To.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Find yeah this has been A un.
Speaker 7 (47:50):
Media original go was Produced by iHeart Podcast And.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Unanimous media it was hosted By Me travon edwards and
except executive Produced By stephen Curry And. Eric kate co
Executive Producer Colleen. Maria cutting the executive Producers At iHeart
Podcasts Are sean Titon And. Jason hinklish this series was
Produced By derek Jennings And. Peter kutcher Co Producer. Kurt
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reddy original Music By. Jesse woodard special Thanks To stephen
Curry And. Will pearson special shout Out To scott rochelle
for preserving our walking libraries by granting access to. Their
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