Greatest Floor Generals of the 2010's

Seth and Tray discuss the best Floor Generals of the 2010's from Russell Westbrook, LeBron James and Steph Curry to John Wall and Rajon Rondo. They rank their Top-5 including one major surprise on Tray's list. Seth talks about trying to guard James Harden without fouling, and how Harden's strength, "running back hands" and continuation game were so hard to deal with for defenders. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was at one point, I want to say, from
twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen where he would hold the
ball out and god, just.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now I'm guarding him. Yeah, like I'm hard helping off
the wing.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
He beats his man drives and he like shows me
the ball, like he puts it out, puts it in
my face. I'm like, oh, that's an easy steal. Smooths it,
you swipe down, moves it. And then he's so strong.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You hit the ball, roll down.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hit his arm and he's right through it and he's
laying it up and won like and you can continuously
fall forward. It's one of those things where like we're
in the scout scout like scouting room watching film before
the game, is like, do not reach. He's going to
show you the ball. You feel like it's easy to
take away, easy pick six. Going the other way, you're
not gonna take the ball from him.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
You're just not gonna do it. He has running back hands,
like to a point where you know, I don't know,
it's some science to it, because like you're gonna slow
it down. This continuation that's another thing. His continuation game
is crazy because he's.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Just it feel like taking four or five steps after
the foul. But somehow you look you looked at all
that that was legal.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
He ain't pick it up legal.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, and he also has tried some other shots too.
That just gets kind of interesting, the one leg, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
But he man's that good and the underrated part of
all these guys be talking about man work at James
is up there.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Welcome back to another episode of Goat g O t
e greatest of their era and I'm with the new
I'm with the new Guard of the Golden State Warriors.
Seth Curry?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
What up? Trade?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
We back another another week. Put a good topic, man,
good to be on here talking with you.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's get it. What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, man? I mean how you feeling?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, change the scenery. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's gonna be a funy year. This year eleven, year twelve,
this year technically year thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So I had a couple like a year and a
half of it gets tricky because I had to get
a year and a half of G League experience. But
I'm kunt of thirteen. It's my thirteen thirteen in the
NBA game. So but now it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
We've got a good team out here. It's good to
get out here with a veteran group again after playing
in Charlotte for a couple of years. Young kind of
a change of scenery, change a role, but got some
more adults in the room and we got a chance
to compete.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Speaking of veterans in the room. We're back, man, We're
talking about some you know, a fun episode the greatest
floor Generals of the twenty tens. This is gonna be
a very exciting episode in the criteria of playmaking, leadership,
and longevity. So you know, as you know, we go
through these names, you faced off against somebod these because

(02:45):
this is your era, so you have a different insight
versus how people view from the couch with their own eyes,
so you can kind of share those you know, nuances
throughout the game of guarding each other.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Point guard position during this area it's changed a lot too,
So it's gonna be a good discussion.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Like you got all different types of guards.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
You gotta score first guards, you got pass first guards,
guards that can play on and off the ball, that
Floyd general type.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Like I think it needs to be explained too.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Are we talking about the best point guards or is
it like a specific type of point guard? What are
we discussing today?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think the beauty of the point guard now is
that it's you're adding on different things. Right at first,
it's like run the offense. Now it's like, yo, we
lean on you to score. Now we know you some
of the best defenders, so now we need you to
be you know, a person that runs the plays now
needs you to you know, uh, stagger and play with
the second unit. So like when you think about all

(03:46):
those things, you think about wins, you think about matchups,
You think about can they play inside out? Can they
shoot the three? Well? Are they explosive? I mean, we
get so many different hybrid type of guards in this era,
which is so fun. And I, you know, I was
on the other side right where I used to be like, man,
step ain't no point guard. Man he be shooting, man,

(04:08):
he ain't no point guard. And like I sat back
for a little bit and I and I think he
just was the start of watching the game evolve, you
get what I'm saying, versus fighting and hanging on to
a game that I once grew up on and just
not understanding like, hey, he's the future of the guard
and where it's going. And we've seen it in speccles
of like Iverson and you know, even when they tried

(04:30):
braun at point, like they were trying certain guys that
just still was leaned on to score a lot. Chauncey
BILLI still scored, you know what I mean when we
really think about it, Gary Payton scored and it's not
like they didn't have that, But we get so hung
up on the assistant turnover ratio and things like that.
So I'm excited to like jump in and start talking
about some of these guys. The first guy is Russell

(04:55):
west Rust Knew Sacramento King described Russ. I mean you
played against him, you know, on multiple occasions. What is
it like, you know, not only just physical stature, but
like guarding a Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I mean he's he's he trying to impose his will.
He's a real type of floor general point guard that's
trying to take over every aspect of the game. He
trying to defend, he's trying to create havoc on the
defensive end. He's gonna try to rebound and push the ball.
I mean obviously trying to make plays and score and
then get his teammates of off. So he really trying
to be involved in every possession when he's on the floor,

(05:32):
Like he's not taking no plays off on offense or defense,
trying to create havoc like I said, And when he's
out there, you're gonna know he's out there. That's the
like good or bad, he gonna be. He gonna impact
the game in some type of way. And I don't
think we kind of see a point guard with his
physical ability on both ends of the floor since maybe
like d Rose or something early in the decade. So

(05:54):
Russ's I mean, he's he's a one on one obviously
the triple double. Mister triple Double got the record for
most up with doubles, got them won the MVP, and
especially when Kadi left and he took that that franchise
over like it was his show.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
He could he was really.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Doing what he wanted and they didn't. I mean, they
weren't win at that high of a level once Kdi left,
but he was his his stock and his I mean,
his brand took off just because he was, like I said,
he had his hand on everything they did.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Not to coin a new phrase. But I feel like
Russell Westbrook is a power guard. He's going to use
a lot of strength. Yeah, he almost. I mean we've
seen him use in a drop many times, you know
what I mean, to score those quick dumps, you know
what I mean where he take him off the you know.
But he's also he likes to get physical and you know, yeah,

(06:45):
you know not to Like I said, I don't want
to dub it a new thing, but I think of
just he kind of has that one through four kind
of mentality when he's out there versus just kind of
like I'm gonna be finessed, I'm gonna stay out the paint,
I'm gonna pass it, I'm gonna shoot when I get
the ball back. He wants all the smoke and he
wants to throw his body.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I like you said that because he's he kind of
throw back point guard. Because we go over these names,
it's really none of them in this decade that post
up like they used to do it in two thousands,
nineties eight to the point guards if they had a
match up, they liked they posted up. Russ is one
of the few that are clear a side out and
back you down, Like when I played against them in
throughout his career in the playoffs, and there's a lot

(07:27):
of I mean there's a lot of point guards, bigger
point guards who had who had size advantage, and they
wouldn't really trying to take you down to the post.
Like for me, I always found myself in a battle
with russ on one of the blocks, trying to just
hold my own. And like I said, if he had
a guy who he thought was he was bigger than
he was gonna try to back you down, or if
if he had a guy who thought it was quicker

(07:47):
than he's gonna take you out and try to mean
use the speed and transition or spread it out from
the three point line to get downhill. And also I
mean he kind of I feel like he kind of
lost this kind of as he got older, which is weird,
but he had to. He was the king of the
mid ring. Well speed getting to that elbow, yep, getting
to that elbow. He using the glass like his jumps.
He didn't shoot the three, never really shot the three great,

(08:08):
but he was one of the best mid range jump
shooters we've seen in this day's.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Actually continuing the pace and that's why you hear a
lot of great say I played the game, like, who's
the closest player that plays like me? And it's just
like when you think about all out effort and earning
your dollar, like if you're fanning a three hundred section
and you're like, who played extremely hard? Like even if
it's he went forward for eighteen Rusk gonna give you

(08:35):
his all. You get what I'm saying, So man, salute
to the brody. Uh he's one. He's one of the
power guards that that may make the top five. All right,
this guy they literally call him the point god. He's
been dominant. He's from y'all neck of the woods. Chris Paul.
You know what I mean he has. He's in his
twentieth season, he's back with the Clippers. He's probably the

(08:55):
greatest Clipper of all time. And just continue to, you know,
have his will like I mean, he has one of
the sickest moves his IQ. Him and Broun I created
that some of the smartest basketball players. It's almost annoying
because he knows the rule books so much that he'll
tell a ref like you're not doing your job, But

(09:16):
what's it like?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Garden?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Chris Paul cep is the ultimate like the ultimate floor general.
He's a coach on the floor, like a lot of
people say, I'm the coach on the floor, but he's
really running the show. He's orchestrating the offense, orchestrating the defense,
talking to everybody in the arena when he's on the floor,
whether it's the refs, his team, the other team, talking
to the fans. Like he's that leadership and that consistency

(09:39):
night in the night out, was there every night, and
he like I was talked about on another pot in
the past, but he he raised a lot of the
point guards in this decade we're seeing today, Like he
taught me, my brother, a lot of point guards. He
got a hand in what they doing, Like he taught
in the game in so many different ways. And he
was always so unselfish, just like on the floor, pat

(10:00):
passing the ball and getting his teammates involved, he was
unselfish off the floor teaching the game like he had
to compete against these players. But in the summer, he
wasn't afraid to share knowledge and give game back and
give back to the game like a lot of a should.
So I mean, he's he's done so much for the
game and It's funny about him so being around Dot

(10:20):
and doctor his coaching. When he played for the Clippers,
like he one of his CP's falses. He was like
too unselfish throughout the game, like he was. He was
a point guard, and he was trying to orchestrate the
offense and get guys shots. But one of the things
a lot of people always talked about was why you're
not shooting more while you're not trying to score more
like he he would go through the majority of the

(10:41):
game getting assists, trying to get his ten to twelve assists,
and then the end of the game he would kind
of sometimes he would turn up his offense and try
to go get a bucket.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
But I feel like he could have.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
He could have turned up to not sacrifice a couple
of assists to score more, and I think that would
have might have elevated his team.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, he's probably for sure if he's looking for his
shot a little bit more. And he also just watching
Chris Paul play now is like watching hooping with your uncle,
your older uncle, and he gonna come in and instruct you. Lastly, Hey,
you're doing this wrong, but you like yo, We're still
playing we're live, like let's let's talk about this later

(11:18):
on down the line. So it's interesting and I'm curious
to see how him and Harton are going to play
this season. You know, they had their experience in Houston,
and now maybe he's a little bit more patient or
clock is ticking and he understands the window of what's
going on. He's already took over the locker room and
kind of and instilled his leadership and it can get
old or it can be great. So we'll see.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, he's an alpha man, alpha any locker room, he
going to you feel like he's the smartest in the
locker room on the smartest on the floor, and he
gonna he trying to win. He a competitor, even though
he hasn't won the championship. He to my buck, he
wonted Ultimate Winners because his team is good. Every year,
he gonna impact winning in a good way. And he's
like he's that guy like he literally I feel like

(12:01):
he made it be a coach. Like he's, like I said,
the ultimate point guard, ultimate Floyd general. He's sharing that
knowledge and he made to play basketball and.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
The words to Kevin Durant, there are not one just driver.
You got somebody pushing the bus from the back, you
got somebody sitting in the passenger, you got somebody helping.
And you know, I won't put a blame on Chris Paul.
He is a winner, so I whether he gets a
ring or not, he is a winner. He's being consistent.
He's taking bad franchises and taking them to the playoffs.
Same thing with Russell Westbrook. I've seen them just kind

(12:32):
of will themselves to an eighth spot in the playoffs.
They may have been short handed and counted out, but
like that's winning basketball, to take a written off franchise
and taking them to, you know, playing the postseason beyond April.
All right, you mentioned your brother earlier with Chris Paul.
Let's talk about you know Stepta and you know his

(12:52):
impact in the game as a floor general. Most people
say Draymond does most of the ball handling. But how important,
especially now that you are a Warrior and you watched
over time, you know what I mean. Being part of
the offense, Steph is pretty much clear of point guard.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Still he's always that's my thing.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
When people who don't know and maybe just watching him
over the last couple of few years or whatever. He's
been a point guard his whole life. He was young,
he's had the ball in his hands. Honestly, he was
a past first guy up until probably high school. Midway
through high school, well, my dad and his coaches were
urging him, like we talked about Chris Paul. They were
urging him to score more because he was such a

(13:32):
good score, such a good shooter. But he was a
past first guy up until high school. So, I mean,
he's a point guard his whole life. You got the Dave.
It just situations where he I mean, he was so
good off the ball as well. And they had other
point guard, like he got the Davison and they had
a point guard Jason Richards who who was only play
point guard. Say they moved steps to the two, and

(13:52):
he thrived at the two right until his senior year.
Get to get to the Warriors. He's a point guard.
He running pick and roll for Nelly, for Mark Jackson.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
But then.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
The Warriors bringing Jared jack right off the bench, and
Jared Jacks plays a lot of minutes steph slides over
to the two because he can't. It's like just because
he can play off the ball just as well, and
run around and play the two and score the ball
with the best two guards in the league.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I mean, he not a point guard.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Everything we're talking about today as far as like look
at the skills that all these point guards have, like
drip a ball, handling, passing, getting to the lane, finishing,
like orchestrating the offense, setting up, running and pick and roll.
Steph can do all that just as good as any
of these good point guards. Just he can play the
two as well. So I mean he's a natural point guard.
If you've watched him, it's his entire life.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I look at it as most people don't understand, like
a back door cut, you're going to score without the ball,
Like a lot of the options in the setup of
the players aren't set up for you to score with
the ball in your hand, you know what I mean. Like,
so that's almost shooting guard, like in any other position.
So it's kind of hard to be like, why not

(15:03):
run our best shooter off screens and get the ball
out of his hand. Yeah, he can run the offense,
but that's handicapping us from you know, having the best offense.
Why not hand it over?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Gives you versatility, that's all it is. Versatility.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
It's like you got a point guard like we get
into maybe I mean Russell Westbrook would kind of hurt
him later in his career. He didn't have that versatility
to play in different lineups, so it's kind of you
got to slide them. He has to have these type
of players around them, or he has to be on
this type of tolearly thrive, right, So that's that's I mean,
he's great at what he does, but he didn't have

(15:38):
the versatility to slide into different different lineups and a
player like Steph or even James. I mean James can
play off the ball because he can shoot the ball,
he can score, he's got size. I mean other guards
won't play with like that. Versatility just add things to
your game and people using as a negative like oh
he's not this, he's not that, just because he can
do other stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I also want to shout that Steph Curry is a
very underrated rebounder. I think he doesn't get enough credit
for that, especially on the defensive end. And you know,
you'll look up and he has eight boards, but they're
boards that help this team win, you know what I mean,
Like they're not like, oh I'm trying to get a
triple double. It's like, oh, y'all in box house stuff.

(16:18):
And now he secured a long rebound, he's actually in
there trying to snatch it with one hand and kind
of loop in and and I think those are super
important and kind of should be, you know, shouting a little.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Bit, little tipbit.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think I think he started doing that when he
first got to the Warriors, because they had so many
guards and so many scores that were trying to get
a bucket.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
He was like, the only.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Way I'm gonna be able to bring the ball up
and make up plays if I go get the rebound
and push it up myself.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So yeah, and that's another thing that's a that's a
good key call out about the NBA. You got so
many primary ball handlers. A lot of guys are skilled.
They'll tell the guard they go up.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're like, all right, you know what I mean? Like, imagine, hey,
bron I need to do to advance the ball. No,
you're gonna go and stand in the corner or are
be elevated whenever they call the play. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
So he stepped into the league.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
He had mante Steven Jackson two guys tell him watch out. Yeah,
all these guys a guy who you feel good bringing
the ball up and making him play.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So he's like, oh, let me just go get it myself.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, absolutely, all right. You mentioned James Harden, your brother
being number one three pointer all time, James Harden number
two past reality, Like when I think about two thousand
and nine class, I didn't see that happening. I did
not see it happen. And those dudes, you know, twenty eighteen,
James Harden, top of the top of the cream of

(17:42):
the cream of the crop, you know what I mean,
Like unguardable fifty point triple doubles, step back is his now,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Like James is kind of James is kind of I
don't know, you would know a little bit better than
me because you see him when he was younger. But
James kind of the opposite. He was a ooh when
he stepped into the league.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
But he was so good. Obviously he played the two
I assume he pay.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
He was like I've seen James seven eight years old
sit on the bench behind guys, you know what I mean,
And it was just kind of like he was a
kid that was trying to figure out his body. He
was a little bit more heavier and then he slimmed out.
But his aspirations was like some coaches be like, James,

(18:27):
don't do this, and then other coaches was like, go ahead, James.
And when he got to Arts, he had a coach
that just really just rocked with him. So he always
had the similar thing. Like you mentioned one of the
guys that Steph played with, he had to go to
the two and three because they had a you know,
a point guard that actually went to go play at

(18:49):
Derrick Glasser was his point guard and they, you know,
they were like, hey, James, you're gonna be the two.
You're gonna shoot. You know, An's a lefty, and you know,
they were comparing him to Lebron because they just still
is he gonna grow?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know, he's super athletic, which most people don't. He
don't get a lot of credit for. When he's at
Arizona State, he was dunking more than he was shooting.
So you know, get to Oka, see has to be
a six man figure it out how to get on
the floor.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And it was crazy when he got the winning wather
Houston and they turned they said, Oh, he's gonna be
the point guard that I was like, yeah, James the
point Like remember like that. That was the conversation, Like
everybody was shocked. It was a big It was a
big story. They were handling the ball and he was
gonna make all the plays and like it's one of
the things where he was just so good on the ball.
He was so good passing the ball, making making decisions

(19:41):
orchestrating that. Like you could just throw five people out
there and put him in spots and stand them still
and he would get open shot.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Either he would score or he would create a water shot.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I was watching twenty twelve, twenty thirteen James Harden.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
His game is.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Obviously completely different. He would backcut, he pulled a bunch
of midrange he didn't step back as much. And then
that following summer he learned how to draw files. He
became a master craftsman. And most people don't like watching
him play. Obviously, now SHA's doing it, and a bunch
of other guys are getting really good at getting to

(20:12):
the to the to the free throw line, but James
had just he was almost unguardable, you know what I mean,
where you're looking on the island and you're looking back
like it's a screen coming and it's just you and him,
and he don't have the craziest handle, but he could
kind of love.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
You to sleep and went and he was super quick.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And once he go pat pat pat, side step and
I like that just now. In starting five, Shay brought
up how crazy it was to see Ricky Rubio garden
James from behind versus trying to take away his strength,
and James just adjusted and just side stepped, which is
even more crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Like that, dude's.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
When you're talking about it, because it's a it's like
a skill man, it's hard to do. Like I'm on
the bench, so like being with the Warriors now and
Jimmy Butler is one of the best guys and getting
to the line every year, like you look up, you're
gonna shoot ten, ten to fifteen free throws and it's
hard that I'm like, you watch this dude on a
daily base and it's like people could try to draw

(21:17):
fouts and end up looking stupid, like it's not it's not.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
There's an art to a dude. It's an art to it.
And James is like the main guy that, like you
look up like, oh he's he's he's a foul drawn.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
The rest are falling for it. But it's looked like
he's getting fouled everything every night. So it's like, why
can't why can't this guy, why can't we all add
this to a arsenal.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's not that it was at one point, I want
to say, from twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen where he
would hold the ball out and god.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Just he would show you. Now I'm guarding him, yeah,
like I'm hard, helping off the wing.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
He beats his man drives and he like shows me
the ball, like he puts it out, puts it in
my face.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm like, oh, this is an easy steal. Moves it,
you swipe down, moves it and he's so strong.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
You hit the ball, roll down.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Hit his arm and he's right through it and he's
laying it up and won like and you can continuously
fall forward. It's one of those things where like we're
in the scouting scout like scouting room watching film before
the game, is like, do not reach, He's gonna show
you the ball. You feel like it's easy to take away,
easy pick six. Going the other way, You're not gonna
take the ball from him.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
You're just not gonna do it. He has running back
hands like to a point where you know, I don't know,
it's some science to it, because like you would think,
with the right defender who could swipe up, swipe down,
it's going to get it, and it just does not happen.
You're gonna find yourself sitting on the side because you
picked up two quick ones and James's if he don't

(22:44):
shoot the three, he getting three from there because he
gonna slow it down. This continuation that's another thing. His
continuation game is crazy because he's just.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Lay st It feels like he taking four or five
steps after the foul. But it's somehow you look, you
look at all that was legal, legal, you ain't pick it.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Up to And he also has tried some other shots too.
That just gets kind of interesting, the one leg and
you know, but.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
He's that good man, creativity man, and that that good
skill and the underrated part of all these guys be
talking about man work ethic and James is up there
like people were talking and they we talked about the
starting five washed it. You've seen like everybody the discussion
by his extra curriculus off the floor is what it is.
He's like Irish comes back every year better. He works man,

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he works on his game.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
He's like irishon to me, Like you could say what
you want about Bubba Chuck off the court, but he
gonna come in there and get thirty. Same thing with James.
If James show up and don't try to do what
James do. If you another player, you try to hang
out with James, you tired and you like he was
doing the same thing I was doing. You just not
gonna stop me. It's not for everybody. Dude as a

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superhuman and that's why you know he's a Hall of Famer.
He's you know, gonna gonna etch his name into it
and put that jacket on and look real nice. Floyda General.
We're gonna call Lebron a Floyd General at this point
because he just he has the ball that is in
his hand. He's dominant. I still question when guys go

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to the Lakers or said teams in the past, what
you're going to do? You know what I mean? Like,
because if you are your strength is having the ball
in your hand seventy percent of the time running offense
and now you.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Don't have it.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
What do you have to offer at six to an
under if you can't shoot the ball?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yes, it's it's tough because I mean, he's a floridgen,
he's a point guard and.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
He likes the pass.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's not like it's not like he greedy.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
He likes the past.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
But he might put you in a situation that.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
That's why in this era of twenty ten to him
and Kyrie fit so well because Kyrie is that.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
The point guard size and guard tos.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But in my opinion, Kyrie is he's not really at
Florida and he'll score so so Bron is the is
the floor general, the guy calling the shots, running the show,
getting all the teammates involved, and then a guy like
Hyrie can just do what he does. I'm gonna give
me the ball. I'm gonna score thirty thirty five. It
is what it is. Bron Is he one of those
guys on the floor. He's orchestrating everything. Obviously he can score,

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he's gonna get his twenty eight on the average every year.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
But he wants to like he likes.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
He always say he likes to pass more than score,
which I don't know if I agree with but he
you know, you know, he's seeing everything out there on
the floor. He's he'll he'll take his time by I can.
I could beat my man scored. But this guy needs
a shot right now. So I'm I'm gonna set I'm
gonna manipulate the defense to get my guy, Mike Miller,
get James Jones a corner of Trey ball because he

(25:44):
ain't got a shot yet. That's the stuff that guy
I was like us see that he might the other
people might not see, or it's hard to do.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's that's that's that's what.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
A real floor general is, getting a guy shot without
necessarily calling the play for him.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
As you mentioned, the gear, the steps, the James hardens
making the right play. He is probably one of the
rare players that gets kind of flack for making the
right play, Like we want him to take it on
the double team. We want him to force it, you
know what I mean, even just to live with those

(26:18):
results to tell him you forced it, and he's just like, now,
I'm gonna just take that power away from you. The
corner guard was open, I had enough gravity to do this,
and you know, but we're like Yo, you're the best player.
You should be taking a shot. And I don't think
he should be penalized for it, but I do wish
a little bit more he could live with his fate
of did he make it?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Did he miss it?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
And when he was younger, he would take the shot
a little bit more, which is very interesting, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Because but that's why I like this conversation because that's
not that's not who he is. Like he's not a
Kobe mentality.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
He not that team.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
He not a I'm gonna shoot over to God A tough.
A tough he knows isn't better. It's not better than
wide open shot for one of my best shooters, even
in the clutch, even though people want him to take
take all the flag and everything to be on his shoulders,
He's like, listen, this is my game and this is
the way I learned to play it. And if I

(27:13):
can get my guy out open shot, even if even
it's in the if it's in the fourth quarter, that's
the best shot for our team. And that's what I'm
gonna do. And that's I mean, you gotta respect it
because he's I will say that most part of his
guns you better make it.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Or he ain't gonna talk to you after that. That's
all I know. So, you know, shout outs to Lebron,
Raymond James about to turn forty one, stay healthy, and
we will see you in year twenty three, which is
crazy to say out loud. All Right, Damian Lillard another
guy that you know has evolved showed, like just even

(27:47):
watching rookie Dame to the matchups of I've Seen something
where you know, he had this matchup with and I
think you were on it. Were you on that team
when when y'all sent the Okay See home.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, the way that Panda I was on the floor?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Actually, how physical was that series because there was a
lot of like jarring between.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Him and I was a heated series and honestly a
led up to that all year because every time we
played Okay See, him and Russ had just had something
going on for years. Man, Like they were two of
the top point guards in the league for a while,
and every time he stepped on the floor everything got
turned up. But not so when we played them in
the in the playoffs, it was like, oh, I'm Russ

(28:31):
was kind of getting more love throughout the league, but
they ain't felt he was better, so we stepped on
the floor. Let's get his mono and mono and I mean,
I was that was one of the most fun series
I've ever been a part of.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I want to say that's when Russ created The
Rock the Baby. That might be the series that he
first time he ever did.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
But he was. He had a little more unfit doing
that series.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It was a little more edge, but he was.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
It almost looked like Kidd and Ryu, those two guys,
you know, originally we had Russ and Derrick Rose. Dereck
Rose got injured and Dame kind of slid into that
spot for competitiveness and the idea that he makes the shot,
he waves them off. He just has the you know,
run from the grind. There's a whole story from that thing.
And and just kind of before that though, I think

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he was just kind of like already stamped as one
of the greatest blazers. But you know, I think that
was just pretty cool, you know what I mean as
far as like even adopting the long range shot. I mean,
your brother shooting these deep threes and uh, you know
the impact, you know what I mean, Like a lot
of people like yo Steph got your suit like man

(29:41):
logo literally is a thing too.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Where I gotta show Dancey love is being a leader
of Floyd General and the point guard is more than
just on the floor. Obviously, he's a fine passer, not
not the best passer. He's one of the best scorers
of all time. But off the floor, he's maybe the
best leader I've been around thus far. Like he gonna
take all the all the pressure off the other teammate.
Like if we're not winning, having a bad stretch and

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certain guys aren't doing their job and playing well, he's
not gonna call him out in the media.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
He gonna take it on himself like that. He took
on that role of.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Being the franchise player as good as anybody I've seen.
Like he's not gonna throw his teammates under the bus.
He's gonna take the pressure because he knows when we
play well, he's gonna get the credit. So when when
we're losing games or whatever in Portland's he's fine taking
the blame and step it up in front of the
media and the bright lights and accepting it. So I
got to show him love for that, Like that's that's

(30:32):
what He's like the quintessential franchise guy that you want
lead to your organization.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, I love that you shared that, man, because most
people think leading is one thing and it's only associated
with winning and this other thing. You gotta take the
bad too. And when you take the bad, you know,
because like you mentioned, you can have a bad game,
you still score twenty points. You probably went forward for
whatever it is, and people are gonna be like, all right,

(30:58):
he wanted to match up because of the point total.
Firsts not like my guys helped me down and this
that and the third and then when you lose, you
gotta be okay with taking the you know, taking the
blame and and and guys can respect that. And still
to this day, like I said, you've played on multiple
teams after this, and you still have that mutual respect
for him as far as like you've been around other leaders,

(31:19):
you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, and he got the most out of his his guys. Like,
it's not a lot of pressure playing with Dame, even
though I mean some some franchise guys want at one
put pressure on their teammates to perform, but it kind
of makes it harder and some since I've been around
some players where oh, I gotta make the I gotta
make these shots so I might not get the ball again,
or or I'm gonna feel the heat in the locker room.
Being around Dame, you're like, all right, I'm coming in.

(31:42):
I'm I'm very confident on the floor. He trusts me. Uh,
he trusts all his teammates to do their job. And
like I said, he's not gonna throw you on the
bus if you have a bad night or two.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
So, I mean it's it's different ways of leading your franchise,
leading your team, and I mean Dames is one on
one in that sense, and it's good to seeing back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Absolutely, no, that's full circle. I think that was dope
that he got a chance to go back. Kyrie mentioned
him earlier. He could be the one to two. He's
more a shooter than me than anything. But he obviously
has some sick moves. One of the hardest players to guard,
one of the biggest shots in Final history, like Kai
is really like that plays point guard more of a two.

(32:25):
Can pass sometimes, but again, like I said, he might
he might slip out of my five just because of
the topic at hand, but he but he's.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Actually agree like he's a scorer at heart, like he
can because he's so skilled and him, I mean, he's
a basketball player. He can play whatever you want them
to play. But I think his size, people assume he's
a point guard or Floyd General like we're talking about.
But to me, he's a He's a Kobe kind of guy.
He got the Kobe mindset, the Kobe game where if

(32:58):
I got the ball, nobody nobody can stop me too.
Guys can't stop me. My A tough shot for me
is better than an open shot for somebody else, which
might be true, but I mean in that sense, that's
why it might be tough for him to, like, like
you said, to make my my floor General's top five,
just because that's not his mindset.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And that's fine.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's why he goes to teams playing with Bron That's
why he goes to teams playing with with James Luca.
He just feels more. He just feels comfortable with a
with a floor general next to one, which is I mean,
it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
This is my one of my goats. Rondo, Rondo, Rondo
do floor General like like he was written off went
to the Lakers, end up winning a ring, you know
what I mean? But just steal again when same thing
you talked about. Chris Paul, one of the second coaches
on the floor, knows everything, probably too smart for his

(33:54):
own good, gonna make up, know the plays, be able
to call everything out. He's cerebral man and and and
he might be the face of floord general to me
because just off of the two way play, being able
to defend, but also just over coaching. What's it like
being in a huddle with Rondo? You know on those

(34:15):
types of teams.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
He's and he talked about being the smartest guy in
the room. He's his basketball IQ. And the way he
studies film and knows the game, it's a gift and
a curse because he frustrated a lot of coaches he
played for because he felt like he knew more than
the coach. So coaches put it in the time, they
put in a game plan, and Rondo might have a
different game plan that he that he watched the film

(34:38):
from and came up with. So when when shooting around,
going through walkthroughs and plays, and sometimes you can butt
heads just because he knows the game just as well.
He studied just as much and he got an idea
for what's the best way to come out with a win.
So I mean just being around Rondo, he would There'll
be times he drawing up plays for us out of
timeouse tweaking stuff that the coach might not agree with, and.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
That came back to bite him certain time. I definitely
playing for Carlile.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Carlow's a guy who wants to control everything, and that's
why he couldn't play for him in Dallas. But you
have coaches like Dot who he played for, who a letter,
who gave him that leeway and and trusting him to
make the right decisions. It's just you gotta find the
great coach to play for and the right balance that
allows Rondo to be Rondo. And he's he's a guy
like we talked about these florg and he's gonna he's
a guy that's gonna be a head coach in the

(35:27):
NBA or college or whatever one day.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Like he's made to to lead.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
A team absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like I said, I can relate so much. Man, I'm
not saying like I would have played on the next
level or anything like that, but I had my too
smart for my own good run ins with coaches sometimes
just because I be like, I'm gonna change this up,
you know what i mean, Like self shooting from the three.
I know you called it for this other guy, but

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I know for sure you gonna make it for me,
and it'd be like run the darn player. I'm like, Man,
I made the high percentage play because this is my shooter,
you know what I mean, Like, all right, oh, my
big can't catch in certain situations.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Now I throw it.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Super high, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I might have to push a guy so I can.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Make a better entry pass because my wing can't pass,
you know what I mean. Like I'm overplaying too much
and it's almost exhausting. But again the same thing with
Chris Paul not understanding my personnel right where I'm passing,
and then they need me to score more. I just
rather just keep passing and running and sticking to my

(36:33):
prototype of what how I play and that and that
that just didn't work in my favorite as much. So
I bumped heads with a lot of coaches.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
And Rondo's thing was always, we're out there on the floor.
We gotta feel for the pace, feel for the game,
and it's on us out there. The coaches might have studied,
but we got to make the decisions out there on
the flood. We know it's best for us, so he
always checked it.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Does that make sense when you really think about it?
Does make You can't look to the side and ask
somebody to fix it in the heat of the battle.
I mean, I can imagine y'all not hearing nobody on
the side, y'all not It's just y'all locked in. So
like you kind of have to trust your gut, like
especially if somebody jump to play and ready, you can't
be a robot. You kind of have to make off

(37:14):
intuition of like all right, yo, I'm gonna look at you,
you're gonna backdoor or hey, it's gonna be a high
feed lob, or it's gonna do a picking pop instead
of you slipping because they they're they're they're cheating. So
you I'm rolling with I'm rolling with.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Rondo, you know what I mean too, And it and
it bonds you as a group, like we're taking ownership
of our game and our and what we're doing out
there on the floor. Like it's but Boston, you gotta
you gotta trust that you study the game. You gotta
trust your IQ. If you're around guys and I've been
around other teammates who want to do the same thing
for different reasons, Like they don't and you know, they

(37:50):
don't know the game well enough. They're not smart enough
to go outside the game plan to make up make
a decision that's gonna help us win.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, it's gonna be turned over everybody on the floor.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
When you know, when you when you're on the plane
or in the locker room and you see Rondo on
his laptop watching Game Film twenty four to seven, you
know he knows what he's talking about, and you trust
him to go out there and make these adjustments on
the fly.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And he's a champion, so he has that, you know
what I mean, He has that upper hand, you know
what I mean. So I really rock with that. And
he probably is the first player I've ever seen bron
give up the ball for Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
all right, nah, go ahead, go ahead, I'll play the three.
I'll literally go down and run the floor for you

(38:33):
because you're going to make the high IQ play for me.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, like you a guy like Rondo who is not
the most I mean, he got a skill with the ball, dribbling, passing,
but he couldn't really shoot the basketball for so for
him to play that long into his career and be
that success successful on the team with Lebron and other
guys whose skills THATTS don't necessarily fit, that's all IQ, man,

(38:58):
That's all IQ. Knowing angles, knowing how to play with
and without the ball, even though, like I said, our
skill sets might not fit that, Knowing the game and
studying and on the floor and being that floor general
can take you along way, all right.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Derrick Rose didn't have like longevity success, but you know,
youngest MVP, super effective, could shoot the mid range, super explosive, constantly,
you know, through injuries, revitalized his career, continue kept you know,
pushing through. He has that mutual respect from his peers,

(39:36):
which is, you know, the ultimate respect. And if his
career would have played out how he wanted it too,
he would definitely be easily a top five twenty ten's guy.
But he also was aggressive and scordalized. Like I said,
he would have been the ryu Kin instead of Dame.
I think it would have been Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose.
Dame kind of just slid in after you know, the injuries,

(40:00):
and you know, it was a little harder than you know.
I think it was cool that Derek Gros was able
to score fifty and continue to like put his ego
to the side and come off the bench and just
really just finish his career at like I mean, most guys,
you know, it's a mental aspect of having those type
of injuries he had.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
He reinvented himself. Yeah, like he fought back. But d
Rose was kind of in his prime. He was kind
of the rust before us, Like using his athleticism. He
could shoot just enough to where you in the mid
range to where you had to respect it right and
get into the lane. And but d Rose he was
I mean he was the four general point guard. Put
the ball in his hands, make the right play. He

(40:39):
could pass as well. He just wasn't. He wasn't like one,
he wasn't doing it for numbers like he wasn't. We're
out there trying to get triple doubles or put up
ten assists or whatever. He was trying to score. And
if not I'm gonna make the right play, I'm gonna
drop it off whether I get the system not.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So I mean he I mean, he's a.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I mean, it was a point guard from day one,
so in high school running the show. Point guard with
good athleticism and I don't know how far i'n't been
around him well enough to say how vocal he was,
but I mean you can tell the way his teammates
respected him. He had to have a sense of leadership
and that point guard mentality running the show as well.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he was a man
of many words, but I think between them lines when
he needed to team huddle leadership kind of similar to Dame,
I think he would have fallen back on him if
needed to be. You know what I mean, He's not
passing the blame. And you know that that that long
year of the MVP season that he just was just exceptional. Man,
I don't think anybody was playing basketball. I mean, Bron

(41:41):
was up there. It is considerably you know, most people
say that's his MVP, but Derrick Roase just out of nowhere,
you know what I mean, specifically for a point guard.
You know what I mean, it's very rare that you're
taking teams like the Big Three, uh Miami Heat and
having them frustrated and you know, really compete, you know,
what I mean, and those Bulls teams were decent. They

(42:02):
had some some good vets on it and you know,
household names to considerably be you know in there.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I remember early in this decade, I mean because I
always watched through step through kind of a lens of
Steph's career and when he first got into the league,
and I mean when he came in and the Rose
would probably the point guard you wanted to measure yourself
up against. Like remember they matched up Stephen, he needed
to get a nice good night sleep the day before,

(42:31):
like he had to be on his p's and q's
because it's one of those games you're gonna look back,
How did I perform against the Rose? That's that's I mean,
that's one of the ultimate measuring sticks. Obviously winning the
m v P, bringing it every single night. That was
mussy TV. When when him he matched up with I
think it was Chris Paul when his first few years

(42:53):
and all the guys in that draft, Steph, Brandon, Jennys James,
all those guys, it was Chris Paul d Rose Rondo
was one of those for a different reasons, gil Tony
Parker point guards you wanted to see yourself against TP yep, yep, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Absolutely. Stevens and those guys kind of you know, say
they faded out in twenty tens, but they got a
little older, they dealt with some.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yes they want they back end, but still it was
talking about Floyd generals and skills and IQ. They still
were very good just because I mean all they had
to their game.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Absolutely all right, this guy, I don't think he gets
enough love. Kyle Lowry was actually like a bud of
the joke for a while that he couldn't, you know,
really make a shot, a big shot or win.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
He's an interesting story because he got better, he didn't
get He didn't get to the top echelon of point
guards until the second.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Half of his career.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Thought I felt like, yeah, it took him like seven
eight years to be like, oh he's a he a
starter in his league, let alone an all.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Star modern day Chauncey billips because I felt like Chauncey
bill has bounced around a lot and then once he
got to Detroit, found his footing, did what he needed
to do, respectable household name, and you know, for cal
Lauri to be an All Star starter and eventually an
NBA champion and kind of you know, did what he did.
He even received some MVP votes, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
But will he be a Hall of Will it be
a Hall of Famer in your opinion? Six time Yes,
NBA Champion champion first time, Like I think that Toronto Championship.
Doing it in Toronto for a country, it means a
little bit more.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, I ain't take I ain't taking I ain't taking
it from him because you know, like the guys Demarta, Rozens,
the you know, the guys that were there, the Vince Carters,
the Chris Bosh for that group to be able to
do it with Kawhi Leonard and him, you know what
I mean, And they were all stars. He wasn't just
a contributor. Yes, he gets in it.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Six time all Stars. Crazy to me, Like, I didn't
even I'm looking at the paper right now. That's more
than I thought.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, I mean most people. Again, he's one of probably
the one most underrated because obviously you get there and
it's not an automatic big but he's cream of the crop.
So he's a top guard. And then you know, prior
to him being finally moved to Miami, think about he
gets moved three years early, Like he leaves right after
they win a chip, and he ends up in a

(45:26):
situation where I remember the Lakers was supposed to get him.
I remember the Nets was supposed to get him.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I remember, like, yeah, he was one of those Like, oh,
he about to be a free agent. We need to
carve out some cat space because we might be able
to get he goes.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
He goes to the Suns. Maybe they changed the trajectory
of needing a point guard now, like you know what
I mean, Like he still had that and now a
year twenty, another guy again respectable. He's still here doing
his thing, you know what I mean, Like he might
not be playing major minutes in Philly, but you gotta
nod that longevity. And he knows what he's talking about.

(45:58):
He's a winner.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And what you got to talk about his game is
he's his game fits And we talked about going to
these different teams. You can put him in a lot
of different situations and he gonna thrive. Like his game
isn't overwhelming. He don't have to have the ball all
the time, but he can handle the ball. He can
shoot enough to playoff the ball. If you if you
have another primary scoroer. He can run your office, run,

(46:21):
pick and roll. He and his i Q is as smart,
smart as ever. So I think it's it shows it
allows you to extend your career when you when you
are a guy who's versatile in different systems, playing with
different players.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
So we see how his career is. He's still rolling somehow.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Absolutely in this last one, uh, he just retired. John Wall.
Wall was just marketable goal the John Wall dance to
a Rookie of the Year, to the style of play,
the layups, like you know, most people forget the John
Wall six four. He's athletic, he can you know, he
didn't have the best jump shot, pretty streaky, but like again,

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prior to his injuries, he was a Washington wizard. Like
after after Gil handed it off, he was like iverson
to d C. So you gotta respect John in that situation.
I got a chance to watch him in his rookie
year and you know, build and continue to grow as
a player. Man. And you know, outside of injuries, man,
John was very fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
He had another North Carolina point guard, so you know
he get in love for me on this side, but
one of the maybe one of the fastest with the
ball we've ever seen in the league, right up there
with d Rose and Rust with the ball. But he
was the past first guy even I mean in high
school he was doing his thing. But even at Kentucky
and into the league, he was a guy who liked

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the he could, fact, he liked to pass and get
his guys involved, like he's a point guard, unselfish. So
it was good to see him coming in the league
playing with Brad Score first guard. They were like they
were a good fit. They were winning games until the
injury bug hit them later into their tenure in Washington,
Like they were shooting in the playoffs and they were

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gonna scare some people.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Making a playoff run.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So John is just one of those guys who's like said,
he's a he's a floor general, no matter no matter
what he's a he's a point guard. You can give
him the ball. He's gonna run the show for you,
get you in the offense, make plays. Even though he
couldn't like he had his his his faults in his
game as far as scoring the balls, shooting the balls.
At times, he knew how to get around like a
like a like a like a rondo. You could you

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could back off, but he was gonna make you play
for the way he guarded him every night. He was
still trying to get to what he wanted to get to,
and somehow he was.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I think he can see. One of the best passes
this game is seen.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
One man fast breaking my opinion, one man fast breaking eyes.
You can see over the defense, one man fast break. Yeah,
getting to the getting to the hole, and if you
put and you had, you had kind of had to
put two bodies in front of him so you could
see over the defenses and make passes all over the court.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So I think that's the most one of those ones
for sure. All Right, we're gonna take a quick break,
and when we come back, we do our favorite segment,
goats top five, and this time we're talking about four. John,

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all right, we're back, man. I'm excited about this when
we name some great players. Some of these guys I
don't want to leave off, but I'm gonna have to
do to criteria. So I'm interested to see who you
have in your five. I'm going to start off with
my five. So first for my five, I'm going to
have James Harden at five because he's underrated point guard

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at four, I'm gonna have Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
At three, I'm going to have Kyle Lowry, oh and Inn.
At two, I don't have Chris Paul and one. As
I mentioned earlier in the show, rashon Rondo.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Okay, so you don't got Stephan there, you left some
some pgs out of you, Floyd gen.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I left some.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I let it out because criteria watch that. And again,
this is not criteria. This is not saying top five
point guards. Again, this is literally strengths and weaknesses and
what they do the most. Sure, Rusk definitely triple doubles
he makes, but I think it's more forced playmaking than organic.

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Steph can playmake. I don't think he has to. I
think he's leaned on and acts to do other things.
I think there's an option there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
James, James, yea, the criteria.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
This this is a really directed conversation and specific list
of Floyd generals like we like we described.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
All right, let me get into my five real quick.
I'm going five.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I'm going Lebron, like I said, orchestrating everything out there.
If you wanted to play the point four, I'm going James,
Harden like these floor floor general to me in a
lot of senses, his guys you can just throw out there,
put him in positions and you kind of' even need
a coach. You can hand him the ball and they

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may and they give you a good offense. Right, So
James is one of those guys. Three, I'm going steph.
He seen his whole life seeing him play the point.
You can hand him the ball.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
You can.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Obviously we've seen the Steve kurt system where he runs
around off the ball and he brings it up, passes
it and then he becomes a two guard. But I
saw in the Mark Jackson offense where he was running
pick and roll every time or so he can do
that too. I'm going to step three two O two,

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I'm going rondo and then one I got Chris Paul Man. Yeah, listen,
I'm with it, the ultimate point guard.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I looked at it like he was gonna pick Chris
Paul one. North Carolina. A lot of North Carolina guards there.
You know, John didn't make it, but you know it is.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
What it is. That's a tough man. That's tough to
get five out of this.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
It's interchangeable.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
It's some PG we ask.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Anybody this question, it's going to be shaken up and
you're gonna get some reactions out of it. But again,
you have to remove personal feelings from it, break it down,
strip it to criteria, and you're gonna look at Okay,
maybe you made a valid point. Again, you're you're mentioning
you've seen Steph do it, so ideally it's enough for
him to be a lock versus.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah, nobody has discussions like this like you see on
the TV, and it's best point guards, best shooting guards.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
What is a what is a point? What is the point?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
What are we taking from this?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
What's what's specifically? Are you looking at?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
That so I like this? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Absolutely, all right man, I mean that's pretty solid. You know,
we got the goat pod social accounts. Be sure to
let us know who had the best five. I'm very
curious to see you guys five as well. Can't wait
to see that. But we're gonna take another quick break.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
When we come back.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
We're gonna do Born in the Wrong Era? All right, Dot,
we're back man, Born in the Wrong Era. This list
can get really interesting. I feel like there's a bunch

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of guys that can play. But like basically specifically, who
sticks out for you?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
John Wall sticks out for me. Man.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
He could play in a lot of errors, a lot
of ras with that side six four sixt' five. He's
an old guy, like he's another one of those guys
like I was talking earlier. He can he can put
you in the back to the basket too. He a
lot of times he posted up looking the past, a
lot of times out of the post. But one of

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those guards. He could play the pick and roll io
post up. But he's ultimately was trying to get in
transition and make plays. But I mean, John Wall is
one of those guys who you could throw him in
the seventies eighties, and he was physical enough to play
play back then and obviously now with his athleticism and skill,
he was thriving in this era. So John Wall is

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my guy for boring in the wrong era.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'm gonna go with Chris Paul. I think Chris Paul transitioned.
He could play in the nineties, he can play in
the eighties. He doesn't have to get too selfish. He
can be selfish sometimes and score. He's right in that
pocket of averaging between fourteen and twenty one, Like most
of those nineties guards, I could see him actually doing that.
But he also likes to defend, and a lot in

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that nineties era, you need to be a to defend
because you know you wasn't gonna hear the end of it,
or it's gonna be a long night for you. So
I think that that works in his favor compared to
everybody on this list. Maybe Rondo could defend a little
bit in there. Obviously, Lebron can play in any league.
But I really like Chris Paul for Born in the

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Wrong Girl.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
And you know what, the common theme of our two
picks for this segment is, these are two guys who
sacrifice their scoring, which, like you, like you said, a
lot of the guards point guards in the past, the
John Stocktons, Isaiah Thomas's in the past, the good point
guard like their role was not to really score.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
They sacrificed.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I feel like a lot of the point guards in
the past could have averaged twenty twenty five if they
wanted to. They sacrificed the points to run the offense,
get the other, get their teammates involved. They didn't feel
like scoring was their main priority when they stepped out
on the floor, So that's why these are kind of
throwback point guards.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Absolutely, man, this has been a real fun conversation. I'm
glad to you know, discuss these things. We got way
more topics man to talk about, man, and I'm excited
man to keep it going man. And hopefully we can
get some of your new teammates on there as well.
So this should be oh yeah, we got good guess coming. Absolutely, man,
So uh tune in. Where can they find you? Dot?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
That's Dot Curry everywhere. That's d O T C U
R O.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Y you can find that's find me at travan on
X and at Trey on Instagram. Go go. This has

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