Greatest Guard Dunkers of the 2000's

Tray and Seth discuss the Greatest Guard Dunkers of the 2000's including Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant. Seth talks about how his lack of dunking ability at a young age actually helped him develop a more well rounded game. They give their Top 5 lists and one major super-star is left off. Plus, who wins Baron Davis vs Steve Francis 1-on-1?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For me personally, I think not being able to dunk
to that lake in my life like it helped my skills.
So I wasn't even worried about dunck and I was
shooting floaters different crafty layups. And you see guys who
were able to dunk young in middle school, early in
high school, and then they get to the bigger level
where it's bigger guys in that pain they can't just
go in there and dunk.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Then they like, oh, what do I do?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
How do I finish in here over the trees without
being able to dunk it and being the biggest one
on the floor.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
So I think it.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Catches up to you if dunk it comes too easy
and you're still not the biggest guy once you get
to the college level or the NBA level.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, sir, what's going on? Trade? Greatest of the era
from the Bay got a good topic today, Let's chop
it up.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Man speaking of the Bay Man. One of the greatest
dunk contests happened in Oakland in two thousands, and we're
talking about the greatest guard dunkers of the two thousands.
This should be a fun one because that's actually my
era of when I was like senior year high school
a lot, and you know, I, you know, I showed
my little clip of me playing above the rim, you know,
a couple of weeks ago, and all these guards that

(01:13):
we're gonna talk about influenced, you know, my style of
like you know, I wanted to dunk and play above
the rim. The Curry Brothers wasn't there yet, so I
didn't get to shoot as many threes. Young and influenced
me because I probably would have made it a little
further if I had somebody chucking threes and making them
and making it cool. Y'all made the three pointers cool again.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, the two thousands was definitely the era of the
highlight dunk for sure, because I mean that's probably that's
a good I remember that vividly because that was the
end of my dad's career early two thousands. I was
old enough, Like I said, I sid got vivid memories
of being in the gym around a bunch of these
guys we're gonna talk about today. My dad was on
the team with them, so I got vivid memories of it,

(01:53):
and definitely some of the best memories of NBA basketball
and highlights and all that, just waking up trying to
see who had a highlight dunk of the night.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It was a special time.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now when we talk about dunks, when'd you get your
first dunk?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
My first dunk was I was my first in game dunk.
Was my senior year of high school. So I was
a late bloomer. I was one of those tapped the
glass guys forever I was, you know, I used to
I remember the layup lines. I was hyped when I
could smack the glass on a layup. And then I
kind of transformed into being able to throw an alley
and catch a dunk outside of a game and practice,

(02:30):
and then I remember, I never forget my first dunk.
It was a road game in high school my senior year.
Got a breakaway and barely got over that in front
of the room for a dunk, so it counted, and
I was looking over at my family and my pops
in the crowd hype because it was my first dunk.
But that stuff, I mean, it's a hoop of that
stuff you never forget. I think everybody can remember that

(02:51):
first dunk outside of the game and in a game,
what about you?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Man? So uh in a game, I dunked ninth grade
freshman year, But my very first dunk was eighth grade
and I started with the tennis ball volleyball. I was
wearing the strength shoes though every single day. Like I thought,
if I could dunk, I can go to the NBA.
I thought that was just the answer, Like that's the

(03:16):
ultimate you're gonna make it kind of thing. So I
put so much into that, going to Rodondo Beach, running
the sand dunes, overly committing jump roping whatever you possibly
could think of, leg press, all that stuff, right, And
when I got my first dunk, I was exhausted, Like
I exerted so much energy that like I kind of

(03:38):
was useless in the game after that, because you know
what I mean, Like I got a steals breakaway and
I'm biting my tongue, I jump, I dunk, and I'm like, yo,
this took a lot out of me.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
My whole life, my whole career, Like you should have
dunked that you're gonna break or you could have.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You was up there, you could I'm like, man, can
you explain that as why? Guys? Right, you see all
these high school mixtapes, these ball his Life mixtapes, guys
got over the rim dunks and to get to the NBA,
and now they barely they just want to make the shot.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, it's not. It's a couple of things. First, it's like,
I mean two points to two points. I mean, if
it ain't a highlight dunk, if it's a regular dunk,
it don't really do nothing for anybody. Everybody's dunk and
left the right in the league. But on top of that,
like for me, I feel that dunk for two three
possessions after I do it, like it's an extra energy
exerted that I don't really care about. So I know,

(04:32):
if I dunk, it's either got to be I gotta
be real feeling really good that night, like one of
those where I'm super loose and got plenty of energy,
or I know I'm not playing until the end of
the game. Like I know a time I come something
like that where it's not gonna hurt me for the
rest of the game.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I want to personally say that dunk hurt my game
because I was so like that was such a I
had to do. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
in high school, I was getting probably like five dunks,
but also the sacrifice on defense, like I'm letting a
guy beat me to poke the ball to create a break.

(05:09):
Sometimes that wasn't always the equal, like they going to score.
I'm cherry picking, you know what I mean. Like it's
looking bad to a point like, Yo, it's okay if
you didn't get a dunk. But I was like, I
got to dunk this game.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
For me personally, I think not being able to dunk
to that lake in my life, like it helped my skills.
So I wasn't even worried about duck and I was
shooting floaters, different crafty layups. And you see guys who
were able to dunk young in middle school, early in
high school, and then they get to the bigger level
where it's bigger guys in that pain they can't just
go in there and dunk.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Then they like, oh, what do I do?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
How do I finish in hair over the trees without
being able to dunk it and being the biggest one
on the floor. So I think it catches up to
you if dunk it comes too easy and you're still
not the biggest guy.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Once you get to the college level or the NBA level. Yeah,
it definitely limited my game because that was kind of
the thing, like I got a couple of posters, but
then as I got into each level, it was like,
you're not dunking on six ten, You're not dunking on
seven foot, You're not dunking on six eight. That's two
hundred and thirty, you know what I mean. Like I
had to change up so much. And you know these

(06:15):
guys that were about to talk about are They're explosive
on the rim, but they also got gained, you know
what I mean. So it's a bonus.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
They did a session to the rule youre talking about,
I'm not dunking on six ten, seven foot.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
These guys are like, well it's only a half full level.
Now you got a chance to be around this guy
when you was younger. Uh, he played with your dad.
You know Air Canada. You know Vince Sandy half Man,
half amazing, Vince carter Man. Like again we're talking about

(06:47):
the two thousand dunk contests in Oakland and seeing those
dunks that he did and not saying that I've never
seen an Eastpec before, but he floated and it like
he stopped trying when he did his he spade, or
when he put his arm in the rim, like I
thought that was probably like this at that point, that
was the craziest dunk I've ever seen in my life,
because I just I couldn't process it, the creativity. I'm like,

(07:10):
do it hurt? Like he even jumped back off to
like take his arm off, and I'm just like, Yo,
what what did I just watched?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Nah, He's the greatest, I mean him Vince. Obviously his
peak was late nineties to early two thousands with the Raptors,
where he was the most athletic, But I mean he
was a showman. He had the combination of power, creativity,
hang time like he was. It was never a time
like especially early in his career, where he had a
breakout and he didn't do something spectacular, Like he wasn't

(07:40):
one of those I'm just trying to tois too. I'm
just trying to finish. He was trying to put on
the show. And I remember as a kid just waking
up every morning like what E Vins do last night?
Like what it was? Because you didn't you couldn't get
your highlights on your phone or popping up on Twitter
the same way you do now. It was a different era,
So you had to turn on Sports Center late at
night or early in the morning, see who who had

(08:02):
the highlight. He was gonna be like every day he
was up there in the top five, Like explain like
what road to Sports Center? And Stuart Scott's taught like
the top tens played in highlights, so.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Like the highlight culture was kind of like the new viral, right.
It was like, how do I get myself out there
beyond the sport that I play? How do I reach
and build a superstar? Like, because you know, somebody that
might be watching ESPN just for hockey is going to
catch the top ten. Somebody who's only watching MLB is

(08:38):
only going to get the top ten. So you getting
a mix of sports to see what is the best play.
And if you happen to be a basketball player that
got the number one play, that means you're beating out
all these other sports. And Vince Carter to be on
there multiple times like three sixty tap issue jumping over
seven foot or bumping a guy in mid air and
dunking on lines of Morning Like there were so many

(09:01):
nasty dunks to a point where I literally was arguing
with somebody given like two weeks ago, they were talking
about greatest dunkers, and I said, Vince Carter has a
ten minute highlight of one hundred dunks. It's dunked over
a hundred times, but one hundred of his best dunks
and it's just ten minutes of him dunky.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's a good point because now you're like you on
your phone, you got an algorithm knowing what you want
to see. So if you're a basketball fan, you getting
basketball highlights or baseball whatever it is. Like you said,
everybody was looking in the same place for those highlights,
so you were stumble upon people you didn't know or
highlights you didn't see, and that might turn you into
a Vents fan.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You know what I'm saying, Oh, it was appointment TV.
You know what I mean, Like when you think about
certain guys in the league and you say this was
still this was hip hop kind of superstar because it
was kind of a crossover, you know what I mean.
You got a little you know, I got a chance
to people wearing a jersey, so you're getting a little
bit more of Oh, the Irisens of the world and

(09:58):
the Kobe's and the Vin's car and Tracy mcgrady's. But
like when you add the dunk to the mix, you
add the NBA jams of the world, the NBA ballers,
the video games were the dunking was king. You're breaking backboards,
you're catching on fire, you know what I mean. You're
doing all these things. And then you add Vince Carter
into the campaign with the Nike shocks b before where

(10:21):
the boying. Now you think that you actually can the
imagination still existed. You thought you could jump like Vince
when you wore those like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
And being then Vince really gave us stuff we never
seen before. Like in games, we always everybody knows about
the two thousand duck contests where he was everyone was
one of one signature dunks. But then in games he
would do the reverse three sixty, like who did. He
would be on the break and not spend. You know,
you just spend. Everybody spends one way doing the three sixty.

(10:53):
He would hold it with one with the statue of
liberty and spend the other way. It's like, man, it's
just he coming up with even.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Catching his I would think some of his lives were bad. Yeah,
and he could still like you just throw it up there,
you know what I mean at them type of points man.
And I just think that like Alan Williams and certain
guys that was just throwing it up there and just like,
oh get it.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know what as he got older he would added
to his resume was when he teamed up with Jason
Kidd some of those alleys, and Kidd was a showman too,
so he would drop it off to Vincent and those
highlights were, Like he got older, he wasn't as explosive,
but he still could get up there. And and Jake
Kidd with the flair on the alleys and throwing off
the backboard to him and behind the back pass when

(11:35):
he would finish it, just it was it was a
special time.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, he's super creative man. He brought a lot of
creativity to the dunk contests and you know the guys
before him and not saying like, oh, they weren't great,
you know, And and and he still made the dunk
contest fun like he actually wanted to participate as a
quote unquote superstar and that that was rare.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Some say he killed it. Did he did he kill
the dunk contest?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
No? I think d Wade did okay, I'm yeah, d Wade.
D Wade did it just off of the strength of
you know, obviously he's gonna be mentioned later on, but
he killed it off of his scoring. You know. I
thought guys looked at it feeling like that one done
contest shouldn't have been scored how it was scored. He
probably should have went another way. And the idea that

(12:19):
he jokingly was like, oh, I gotta go for this guy,
It just it kind of left a sour taste. And
most guys that felt like, maybe, hey, this thing ain't
being greater right and I don't know how you can
technically get it right just because off of personal bias,
because you know, but some of them, some of the
some of the guys like doctor J and them used

(12:39):
to be judging pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Like like, you know, you can't.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Give a nine for something that's like, Yo, this is
really crazy. This dude just tucked it under his legs
and that's a nine. Like I, I.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Can't do it, but I'd rather it that way than
give him a ten for it. Some people, if it's
a good dunk, they gonna give you a ten. So
then if something better, where are you going to sing?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
We've seen way too many bad fifties. Yeah, exactly, that's
my point. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, all right. Kobe
Bryant early nineties, like rookie Kobe first four years even
two thousand, like three pet Run Kobe. But early nineties
Kobe was going East Bay. He won. He won, actually

(13:20):
the worst done contest in NBA history. They canceled it
for two years and then. But he had a lot
of in game dunks, like obviously they bring up the
Vincent yard bow where he wraps around and it goes under,
and like he had a lot of creativity. I loved
number eight Kobe. I think he put on a show

(13:40):
all the time because he still had that nasty crossover
and then he was trying to bang out. Twenty four
is a little bit more skilled footwork. You know, he
still could dunk, still catch some bodies, but you know, yeah,
he was more wise.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
To me, Cole was more ferociousness and anger and his
dunks over flair like you you know what I'm saying.
He he brought that physicality to it. Obviously more of
an endgame dunker. He brought that m J style dunk
with the with the tongue out and stuff like that
and he would just kind of modernize them a little bit.
So uh, Kobe, Yeah, he was. He was a game

(14:13):
dunker than me, and you think he was more. He
might have been the most physical guard dunker of the
era as far as just the body rival that.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think the next person that we're about to talk
about maybe the next little bit more physical d Wade Wade. Okay,
I think d Wade dunks with a little bit more
power and maybe because he has to. Yeah, you know
what I mean, he's six'. Four obviously he's taken off
a little bit further and he sacrificed his body a
little bit. MORE i Think kobe had longer arms so
he can get away with a little bit more uh

(14:42):
not for, ness he had a little bit more hang
time than D. WADE i think D wade was just like.
Body the body you.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
KNOW i think you are of that comes from D.
Wade obviously he was smaller than the guys h we
talked about so, far being six,' four but his game
was in, the paint like he couldn't shoot like. Those guys,
so yeah he was exhausting all options to get to,
the rim get to, the line and just no fear
of challenging any big at. The rim he might have
been like the FIRST guy i seen to do the

(15:11):
euro into, A dunk like, you know he got the
euro step and you're gonna finish with a. Crafty layup
he he was, extending WOW like i want.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
To say eight after he won. The finals eight was
really kind of crazy because he had came back from the.
Knee injury he had to come off the bench for the, You,
know olympics and he was just. Going crazy he spent
all that recovery Time With tim grover and he got
so explosive to a point where it would be a
spin into a two. Foot dunk he how did you

(15:45):
get from the three point line like a half dribbled
spin to take? It, off third hash catch nobody and one.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
He was, like here like what we See from, winby
now like that's not supposed to be. A, Dunk man
like you flat footed you're catching the rebec and that's
what Like d wade was that like somebody you start
to move and you kind of know what the finish
is supposed. To Be d wade would take off and
dunk it like that's, like you like, you said off
a spin move something.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And it was a lot of power off them steps
like that or and you know like you're not. ABOUT
to i mean they always talk About The anderson bears.
Y'all dunk yeah you KNOW what, I mean like that
is the one where it's just like That was.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Nash, special yeah one stat for you On d wade
and five six looking at my, notes here he had
one hundred and fifty two dunks in seventy five games
as a six. Four guard that's More than that's More,
Than kobe vince whoever else we're gonna, Talk about like
that's the that's that's up there. WITH bigs.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I feel i feel last season two for him to
have a history of bad knees and be that explosive
and want to dunk, that much that's a commitment to
the work he, put in but also the energy because
he paid. For it playing. Forty minutes he was getting in,
the line but he was dunking. Like crazy he's done
like A big when you talk about one hundred, something
dunks that's big man.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Like, stuff yeah, he paid BUT like, i said he
paid for it later in. His, CAREER yeah, i mean
all you all these dudes.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
That quote unquote played above the rim that dunk dunk?
For real they need.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Were shot you only got?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So, much yeah you only could do so much. In,
it uh Your guy, tracy, McGrady sir obviously he's he
could do. It all you Shoot. Camp rock he could
dunk with t Mac man Raptors.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
T Mac. T, MAC yeah i was in those locker
rooms with t Mac and vins at the, Same time
like my dad was on. That team so those two
were they had a little like a little friendly cousin
rivalry who was the like really ever who was the,
best player but who was the? BEST dunker i remember
being in the locker rooms and then arguing, About it,

(17:54):
OH yeah i got something for. You tonight like and
even after the dunk contesting two thousand, coming back t mac,
WAS always, i mean he was.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Up there if it Wasn't for vince m h he he.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Was kind, of overshadowed like he he would be up
there in the upper lesche line of dunkers, LIKE yeah I.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Mean i feel like to remove itself from the. Dunk,
later yeah a couple, Of, year yeah so he could
prove he had more, complete game but like he had
this signature like reverse dunk that was. So sweet he
would lean into it and it almost like kind of
a spider hanging after he get, the Rim and, i'm,
like yo mac mac. Has. Swagged man this stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Was effortless man like it, just, nonchalant effortless like he
was floating in. The AIR and i think that's why
so many kids gravitated to him and his game when
he when he was in, his prime like you just like, washing,
him dunk get to the get to, the, rim finish
and he was. So cool he would dunk on you
and he might have got to scream out of him
every once in, a while but he was.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Out there it was the smoothest, butter man just, out there.
Just whatever the.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Only thing was this the WAS do i consider him
a guard and and with SIDE but I but i looked.
At it he played the two for the most part
once he got away from the From.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
The, raptors yeah when he Got, to houston he became a.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Small, force yeah we played a lot. Of two just
looking at the lineups he, was with like he Was
With shane battye next to him at, the three.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
With a lot of stretch threes that was six eight. To,
sixteen yeah you KNOW what. I mean that spread the
floor for him to kind of operate and do. His
thing and a lot of these guys are long two,
guys too so he.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Didn't have the best showing in the. Two thousand like,
this question do you cause when you're making your top
five and were about to argue whatever, you consider you
weigh equally as far as in game dunks and dunk
contest dunks or what do you.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
It got it, gotta, be uh it gotta be in.
GAME game i count the, end GAME but i also
count creativity and style because it's a lot of guys
that just get dunks and they're just like typical tomahawk
one hand two, and like if you ain't got no
three sixties in, your bag you're probably gonna not be on.
My list so you're gonna, you know but.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
You like in, game dunks but it don't got to
be in traffic all. The, TIME no i ain't gotta be.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
On traffic it could be still, you know a poke
out or sometimes, YOU know, i mean if you get
a body, to body some of. Them work it's very
rare that it was a lot of guys that, was
Able Like Vince's Vince. Jason richardson then probably the two guys,
that right they separate from the pack and they got
like real like where they can absorb content and still do.
Something flashy the, other dudes they just gonna finish. The

(20:32):
dunk they're not gonna miss, the dunk you KNOW what.
I mean they gonna get. The contact they're gonna finish
the butter rim and you're gonna. Be Hyped But jason
richardson might still three sixty on You after you'll Be
Like vince carter might tap, his foot he might do a,
reverse dunk he might catch the lob look at you
dunk like, you know, like them.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
It's a different confidence where you like they know they
do this, like yeah it's like like.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
A dunk. You know you better off challenging me to shoot.
A three didn't. Then, ME actually i can close. MY
eye i can catch a lot of. Blind folded that's
how confident, they was. All right Speaking To, Jason richardson
Warrior grade BRUH two o three, you know back to,
back champ you KNOW what, i mean runner up and
oh for almost almost three pet you Know what. I'm Saying,

(21:18):
jason richardson dog off two feet, bow legged. CRAZY bounce
i remember. Walked up he did some like reverse windmill kind,
of situation reverse windmill backwards kind. Of thing he can
do the like walking. Through windmill he had a lot of,
YOU know I would i would buy a lot of

(21:40):
slam magazines around. THAT time, i say between ages sixteen through,
EIGHTEEN nineteen i was decking out my, room still and
EVERY time i see a slam up it looked like
he was just posing in, the air like he knew
the camera. Was there he's like he's standing in. Mid
air that's how high he, would jump and he'd be,
like Yo, j rich like he's on a. Different level

(22:01):
and anytime slam, dunk contest like we're more overly exposed
about who's actually going to be in or who denies or.
Who's accepting those were the moments where, you're, like hey
you Already Know jay rich gonna be, IN there vc
gonna be, In there mason gonna be.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
In there he one OF those i HAVE multiple i
USED to i used to pull the posters out and
take them to, my door, bathroom door bedroom door.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Or, whatever yeah and he's funny like all.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
These names there was multiple posters like like you said
it was made For the slam magazine like they was the.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Like shout outs to the cameraman that could actually, you know,
capture that you KNOW what, I mean AND like i
couldn't imagine watching. It live a lot of THESE games i,
didn't see you KNOW what, I MEAN like. I DIDN'T
now i have access have. EVERY channel i can watch you,
guys PLAY and i want To Watch golden State playing
charlotte on, late NIGHT or i want To watch philly versus, You,
KNOW houston i can just. Tune in but like, Them

(23:01):
games i'm LIKE as T and t Is a, sunday
game you KNOW what, i mean it's a playoff GAME
that i really got the bump. Like that but, You
know slam ups kept me up to date because it'd
be like those, frozen moments and those are the things
where you'd, be, LIKE man i remember you wore this
jersey with, those shoes and those are the fan moments
where you kind of still, think about you KNOW what,
i mean you had to.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Be there but getting Back To, jay rich like he
was a dunk, contest king like he was on him.
Dunk contest maybe the only one to me that can
rive With That vince card of. Two thousand he was, giving,
creativity creativity stuff you've never, seen before and it made it,
look easy like he wan of those One take drake

(23:43):
type like he's.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Giving you, you know it's not.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Multiple dunks he ain't tried it, multiple times like it's
that easy.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
For him but also he not about, to miss you
KNOW what, I mean like it's one of them guys, that's,
like hey this the net might splash like it's. A
jumper he's, that up you KNOW what, I mean LIKE when.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I got it. Ain't hard and then but when it
comes to his what separates him From the vince, for
me it's just. His endgame dunks ain't to that level he's,
to me he was a more of a show time
like and he. Has dunk let me, in traffic.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Get break you'll get a break on a, crazy lob
you Know what. I'm saying like those are his those are, His.
Things vince he don't care who.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
They're everywhere it don't.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Even matter if. You're there you just gonna get, dunk
though because you can't jump. With him you can't jump.
With him his arms, too long his vert, too high
you KNOW what? I mean like think about a six
seven guy jumping forty something with a wing span of probably.
Like sixteen, good luck, good luck. Good luck and the
Fact That vince carr was dunking all the way into. His,

(24:49):
forties yes.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
He just made it dunk like he just know how
to do it and it still looked good for.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
The, moment yeah it don't look up to the. Last,
yourself yeah so me are really rock with well.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
We ain't even got to the, little. Guys duncle but
it's hard to make when you that size and you're
along like that's hard to make dunks look as good
as the the. Smaller guys who Gonna who who's gonna get?
Into now but they, Did it Vincent j ridge did
it like they was up in the. Air forever and where?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Were you where were you at when you First Seen? Nate?
ROBINS uh I mean I was i was.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
MIDDLE school I MEAN i i might have seen him
a couple of times when he Was, At washington but
they like he was another one of, those dunkles not
scared small and made every day every dunky did look
better than it actually was because he would hang up
in the air like for that for forever and dunk

(25:46):
and in games he was scared to challenge the, bigs
either like he got a combination of dunk contests and
in game dunks that are that rival the best.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Of them is he the best pound? For Pound who
nate of the poundful for gotta?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Be?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
PROBLY yeah i think because he's just like so. Ridiculously
athletic like the First time i've Ever seen, nate play
my Childhood Friend bobby jones Was at University of washington
with Him And, brandon Roy and nate had came from the,
football field you Know what. I'm, saying SO LIKE i

(26:23):
i hain't Been. Watching bobby, YOU know i used to
try to catch his GAMES when, i could and we're a,
year Different so i'd, be like, All right i'm Gonna watch.
Bobby game And when nate would come over, from football
he just WAS just i remember he caught a body
against somebody and he leaned and. Dunked it, i'm like he's,
Five nine, like Okay he like when you're in college

(26:44):
or high, school whatever you're playing pick up when the
football guys, come in all of them. Got bounced, athletics
hell all of them getting can dunk on, the break
but they can't. Hoop like he reminded me OF when
i first, dunk though LIKE because i was around, that
HEIGHT but i wasn't dunking like as good as he

(27:04):
Dunking Like, vince carter like he catching a body, for
real for real at. That height it took for me
to get into, my like, all, right yo you, six
feet your arms is a. Little longer now you can catch.
A body i wasn't catching bodies at five eighty, five
dollars so to see and again five nine. Is generous
and he really did it, off bounce, off bounce AND
he i have a lot like do we really got

(27:27):
to bounce more bounced?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Than me or is he just longer like some of
these guys like the d ways he got, got bounced
but he got long ass arms so he can he
can get.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
From anywhere kind of. Stopped growing he probably should have
been six six. Sixty seven he can grow into his.
Full stature and that's that was. MY cheat i had.
LONG range i always had long orange my. Whole life
so the idea, OF it i don't think it was
solely on my jumping ability was. My arms LITERALLY once
i got over, the RIM and i CAN and i
also could palm. THE ball i was able to palm

(27:58):
the balls in. Sixth grade so like that part right
there was like, a CHEAT like i could do all
this AND then i can do that and not keep
seeing it get close to. The rim i'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Dunk it underrated part of duncan that you bring up
can you can you palm?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
The ball because all hands you might be teasing a
guy there six' six because you're not like understanding why
he can't DUNK.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Image because i don't remember, who it was but it's
one of, the best dunkers maybe somebody. On this list
but HE was, SAYING i can't i can't even, palm
The ball AND i'm.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And i can.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Do this type so it's like that's how big of
An advantage, That he's like i'll be ten times a
BETTER dunker if i could pick up the, ball with
ease LIKE somebody Like mj or events.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Or what like That's Him. And kawhi bro they can.
Off the table that is it goes bot and when,
it Does That. It's Kobe kobe kobe kobe is the
person Who, couldn't, pall.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Okay yeah because you can move the ball like when you're,
in the air you can instead of getting blocked and
you can move it an, inch or two get around
the shot blocker and they and. Dunk on him You know.
What i'm saying once, you get palmer you just. Got
to go you can't change directions with the, ball then.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah you literally might literally might slip. Out your hand
like it's. Kind of crazy that's kind Of wild that
kobe couldn't pull. On the ball when when you think
about as much As He mirrored, michael jordan's game. He
didn't remember craig hod just told us that. Was, the
difference yeah that was the difference between them two. Was the,
Hands Because again michael jordan could, just palm it, keep

(29:26):
it away do what he needed to do when he
had he just was in. So Much Control but nate,
robinson being, uh you know A Three time, dunk contest,
winner you. Know he stuck he made it his personality, at,
that point kryptonate YOU know. What i mean he ended
up defeating A Seventh. Sixteen dwight, HOWARD you, KNOW i
mean i was about to say seven foot but you
might as well. Call him that, and You know obviously

(29:48):
nike got got on board and made the flight posits
for him and certain things and had a theme, and
you know, HE was great I Mean in New, york
and chicago and his athleticism is still one of. The
most freakish uh this.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Game, IS scene yeah i think the dunk like he
took off obviously with like. He had to it was
kind of like his duty to go into dunk contest
every year once he started, one of them because that
was that was part, of his celebrity like his actual.
He could hoop now like it kind of took his
actual game and him being on contending teams and, being
a great good player kind of took a back seat

(30:24):
to him being a dunk contest winner and that that that's.
Kind of guy he is kind of like a what's
the what's?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
The white?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Dude two today?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Two?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Way guy now That just. The matt. McClung, matt McClung
yeah He was obviously NATE was, an nba, guy but
yeah people Only thought about nate as a dunk contest.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
As, a dunk guy and he could, literally go off
YOU know, what i mean and it. Wasn't a fluke,
he'd be like oh the roads? Sick, All, right yeah
yeah he really taking advantage of every opportunity got man
so Shouts. The day robinson This next guy alan, six,
feet again built built. With long arms stude has six five,

(31:05):
six six wingspan had a lot of dunks early on.
In his career didn't dunk too much as you got
later on because he. Was getting flat HE was getting
I don't like I don't like ai.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
In, this conversation Man, he not yeah he got he
dunts him him was. He's a sneak like, if you dunk,
if he dunked you're you're a little bit SURPRISED that whole,
i will.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Say rookie year he. Dunked, a lot yeah he.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Would GET the he i didn't get the highlights of
him catching off the off the glass or officer rebound
put backs where he dunked.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
On some people but again he would have tim we
we can we can admit YOU know, what i mean
basically omit him And Skip. To Baron davis baron davis
now is a different person, because you know obviously despite
the KNEE injury at U, c l a the knee INJURY,
in the nba like he got some, great bodyes kg
he got Just Kim Baby mutumbo andre carolinko is obviously

(31:57):
the dunk that everybody talks about where he takes jersey
y'all shows his uh his little waist trainer that, he
was wearing YOU know, what, I, mean crazy hey his back.
WAS messed up i think it was a back. Brace or,
something but, OVERALL you know b didd he, being sixty,
three you know more. Physical guard man he always played.
Above the rim that, was like literally YOU know, What

(32:18):
I mean like baron's a big, brother, Than me MAN
but like, I always looked i always wanted to like.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Play like him he's a power. POSTER type dunker i.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Never had the body bro like. And that's it he always.
Been like that, It wasn't wait he's just physically just,
gifted that way YOU know. What i mean and, he
had handled, he had, quickness you know he. Just overall
game but the fact that he could actually go above
the rim compared to some, of, these guys man it
just made it. Way, more exciting obviously he's part of

(32:50):
the one of the worst dunk contest contestants Ever To
the blindfold dunk and a, few others MAN But But,
b diddy man he definitely was was the one.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
He had the one where he would like he pulling
the hammer way back. Behind his head oh that. One,
finish him yeah that's.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Another.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Slam poster yeah So like we diddy, like his body he.
Got the body, you you look he was like stocky
big might have been over the, Way the time like
he ain't supposed to get. Up, like that well.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
How We Look at james harden is how We. Looked,
at baron yes and you'll be like that he, could
do that YOU know? What I, Mean like baron james
has some, big Body bounce but james. Has. Some, bounce
yeah yeah. It wasn't stopping that, wasn't stopping barn YOU know.
What I mean like baron's dunking on. Every single thing
so you know he might be the most you know

(33:43):
we Talked, About d wade baron might be the most
violent dunker.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
On this list another guy who paid the price for his. Style,
of PLAY yeah like i need to hold up.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's, the fact uh this is a kid and ryu
Of The, dunkers steve francis YOU know. What I mean
steve francis man, had a crossover but also you know
his dunks were.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Crazy for going one of my favorite one, of my
favorite like most exciting players to watch because.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's because, the crossover though. That's the thing it wasn't Just,
Stopping at oh i'm gonna. Make you silly i'm gonna,
make You silly and i'm Gonna dunk on you're.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Gonna, finish it yeah one of the only challenges to
events during that two. Thousand, dunk contests. Yeah he was, he,
Was special man like you're throwing one of his. Highlights
on YouTube he got some stuff like challenge you at
the rim on bigs. On Guards reversus just, stevie was

(34:41):
ferocious like attacked the attack the rim with aggression and,
like REAL anger which i like to see. Out of
guards his player Comp Might.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Be john moran job obviously didn't have the, handling you
know like the. Ball handling Skills It's. It's steve francis
but just the, Explosiveness, of what yeah how, high he's
jumping how high he's how hard he's? Finishing on guys
YOU know? What i mean like How big was steve
six four sixty? Three?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
SIXTY three okay i would Say him.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
And, bed are, like you know they're supposed to play
one on. ONE soon too i don't want, to see
it but they don't play one on one soon.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
We're talking about twenty. Twenty five Ones, yeah what.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah it's been going on. For a minute they've been
trying to. Set it up they've been talking trash because
because people have, been Comparing, them like.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Man they got to.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let it go but forty five to, see them, dudes
you know they get After Man and steve francis is,
actually you know obviously once he Got, traded to orlando
his career kind of went a little Different Way in
new york. And other Stints But, that houston rockets.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You got who you got? In Them ones be diddy and. Clean,
Him up.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah i'm going to Be because be didty's still playing
like he, ain't obviously himself but. He's still ACTIVE he
literally i literally talked. To him today he was. Playing
ones again He Played, Against Chris smith, jerr smith's brother. And.
BEAT him yeah i got to be the, no question.
Anyway All right stefan marber another high flying guard like
all that's what makes. Two. THOUSANDS fun especially i can

(36:11):
only imagine at that time when you were like in
middle school and WATCHING this, BECAUSE i said i was
so busy trying TO like PLAY au like i think.
IT wasn't, our i mean obviously IN the past aau they,
were PLAYING games but i felt like our year two
thousand to two, thousand and three that's when the, games
ramped UP, almost like nba like where we were playing

(36:33):
almost over one hundred games, between the summer So Going
playing spring league and. ALL that stuff i didn't get
a chance to really watch, every single GAME but when
i did turn, on the Highlights, It Be barren Steve
Francis and stefan, marber, getting dunks, crossovers three pointers whatever.
You possibly think they dropped fifties.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And these guards like this is obviously before the three
Point era of steph and all those guys came into
the league and there was no like they were just
there was no caution.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
To the win.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
They were reckless like It wasn't no i'm trying to
save MY body so i could play fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
In the league wasn't.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
No low management, I'm going hard SO like if i
got to beat my body up for a year OR
two and i get heard it is what it is
like they didn't know no better and that's how, they
all played And they was that's what made, It exciting
too like these guards they score first, GUARDS were tackled.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I, was gonna say and they're all. Six, to three
yeah You know. What i'm saying it ain't to A
point where marber six two ish. And a half but
it wasn't to a point where they had dunk so
much that it wasn't even. Sneaky, no more yeah YOU know.
What i mean, like, it's like hey they gonna get
that ninety raight on, a video game YOU know, What

(37:44):
i mean like. They literally dunk it might be a
glitch if they laying it up because they suposed to.
Dunk every time like that's how crazy those Dudes. Was in,
STARBURY of course i remember Him. Specifically in jersey that's
when he was dunking the most because he just was out.
Of this world he's taking these deep threes like you.

(38:05):
And your brother he was just crossing over. The first
thing he probably THE first person, i really, seen you
know Give kind of kobe and them to, work like
that You know, What i'm saying like that was like
a bro really trying to do. His own thing and
then Obviously him and iverson had that crazy comeback In
The all star.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Game about To Bring The all star game up like
he was on the floor With All those all, stars
And superstars and marbury took ten the stage like he
was he was.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
A musty team marbury is the reason, why we look
we have so Much Respect for new york cards because, we,
felt like hey all the guards gonna be like that.
Moving moving forward and they wasn't like they all, had
good handle but they Wasn't. Like, a marlbury, Marlburry like.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Literally, ML's that yeah what's The Joke On new? York
city guards? Handle can't shoot he, can't shoot once. They,
can't shoot yeah he's.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
And, it's. VERY rare man a lot of them dudes
come off shooting. Twenty. Some percent, man you know, on our,
end we finessed we. SAW we DON'T i Think i
think baron changed the trajectory of how people. Looked at us.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Baron telling remind Me Of A new. York city guard he.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Says that too he says a lot of people thought
he was from You know, What I'm, Saying new york
but He Played in Santa Monica, with austin krozer You know.
What I'm. Saying at Crossroads So even baron Davis Playing
against tashwn prince when They. Came to compton that was
his real. Coming out party like Everybodys Talking, About Tashawn
prince tuby smith's. In the crowd baron. COMES there drops

(39:40):
i want to say it was thirty, five or forty
but like everybody Got, familiar, with, baron like oh he
playing Over, there at, crossroads you know because everybody was
looking at it, all They saw But Baron's. From south
central he just. Had a scholarship he was playing over
there and changed the whole. Dynamic of it and, then
you KNOW obviously at ucla he's, dunking on everybody and
Then gets to charlotte and. Dunking on everybody so he

(40:03):
just he just changed the identity Of What A west
coast guard was because everybody thought we was like pretty
boy kind of Style Game Reality. Ali allen ray when,
you hear reality when, you hear reality, you, think about,
ah you know dunk he. Only Shoot threes. Milwaukee bucks reality.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
You think you think you Think Of the rey allen, that, won,
Championships Right Yes. Milwaukee bucks reality My, dad left charlotte
played with him. For a year he was athletic pick and.
Roll ray, IOUs he could i mean, shoot the ball
but getting to the rim He would pick he's another one,
with big hands would pick it up, off the ground, hold.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
It up finished dunk on.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You like quick more of a quick dunker like.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
He not really he's.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Not slowing fast and he had the fast, Twitch off
one i'm gonna beat you to the rim and and
that that. Type of dunker but. He had it his
athleticism as a youngster.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Was. RIGHT there yeah i think he figured. It out
quick and that's THE one thing i think he has
an advantage over his peers is that he knew he
was playing the longevity of what. HIS body was i
have a Funny. Story In milwaukee skip robinson was Working
for the bucks and, he was like This Is. What

(41:23):
brandon jennings, He was like brandon was a rookie and
This is The big Three Celtics and ray allen was
showing up just THE first time i ever seen somebody
show up. At three thirty and since he Played, for
The bucks the bucks organization was, kind, of like, hey
you know you can come in a little bit earlier.
Than everybody else so we got a chance to watch

(41:44):
him work out and he's just going through. His shooting,
routine mind you it's been, thirty minutes now it's. Like
an hour so he Kind Of like pat dries and
he sits there And talks to brandon for a little
bit and he, tells him, like YOU know Like. I
love milwaukee i never wanted to, GET you know i never.
Wanted To leave george. Carl traded me this is when

(42:05):
they Traded Him for Gary Payton. AND sam, casett i, Mean,
uh yeah gary They Traded, for gary payton AND that's
how i Ended. Up in seattle but, he, WAS like
man i wanted, to stay here man like. It was
great and he said the one thing about, as he
left he changed up. His entire routine and it was
THE first time i ever learned ABOUT like. An nba
died it was. At that time it's just two. Thousand

(42:28):
and nine he said he hadn't had a burger. In
ten years and it was so crazy TO me because i, was, just,
like what like so what do people? Want't doing? That?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Back?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Then nah nah and he was he. Was already there,
HE was like i don't really go to the basket
AS much unless, I Have to like i'm working on my,
Three Point shot like i'm getting my percentage up each year,
because you know when he was, in You, know in
Seattle him and kobe used to. Go at it But
like obviously kobe had the, more Sexier game but ray
would be out. There down here the volume of his threes.

(42:59):
Are going up he's, taking four.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Days not onely that HE was the i go for
a mile, Run every morning like that was just. Just,
thing too yeah out on the street running every day
so he can and that stuff translated.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Into his game that was.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Before, about the professionalism YOU know, What i, MEAN before
that i spend a million dollars on my body. Type,
type culture.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes YOU know. What i mean, and each story each
time we have a guest on or even we talk,
about these stories we think about the dedication to certain
players and why the. Longevity they played and again like
why he was able to Fit into a big three
Or go to miami and go play with them and
and adjust. And adapt egoists You know, what i'm saying
because that's a. Whole other thing, at that point he just.

(43:41):
Wanted to win he Experienced. It in boston, HE'S just
like i don't care. About no rivalry THIS is how.
I fit in i'm trying, To you know i'm trying
to win at, the best ability, and you know for
him to continue to be a, three point thread, and
you know it almost got to a point he shot
so many threes that then people forgot he, actually could
drive You know. What, I'm saying yeah so that's how

(44:01):
we even get into this conversation of a reflecting on
his his game. About a rim but he always had
a complete, game to, me.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Man always always have had this. Debate About Him first
klay thompson a bunch and, the people like, they don't see,
like you said they Can't See the ray allen that
was running, pick and roll that was handling the ball
to primary. Creator on offense they see him as that off,
off all ball, off ball, screens running around, spreading the
floor shooting. Nothing but threes he had a complete game Coming.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Out, of yukon, yeah all right moving over to the
Honorable Mention the mississippi bullet another guy six three more
more on, the layup.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Side, crazy layup package But, stupid, athlete like yeah his
game was, based on, Athleticism uh speed he did a.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Lot of teasing yeah where yeah jump and you think
he boy the dunk and He gonna lay he's gonna
lay you, nice like yeah You Know. From george gerbin
he get it to, The all right i'm gonna. Show
you how I'mnna put some, english on this use the
backboard and talk to the backboard. A little bit so
he he had one. Of, them DUDES yeah well i.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Think about him he had that he would do the
three sixty layup a bunch getting To The.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Fort john wall he definitely was doing a lot of
experimental layouts where that just threw me all. The way off? What?
Is Happening, Uh Fred jones freddy jones definitely has to be.
In this conversation dunker didn't play A lot, in indiana
sparingly but when it came to time to show up for,
a dunk contest he was gonna put. On the show

(45:36):
one one of, the dunk contests You know, what i'm
saying put on and more a lot. Of College Dunks
and fred jones, wasn't that tall so you gotta give
him a little. BIT more credit i think he was about.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Six y two sure he had a short window as a,
as a player like on the main stage on the scene,
as a dunker but his two. Years was special man,
like he was and he like what he kind of
made coming out party was after, the, dunk contest right, So,
he started yeah after the dunk contest and he. Got
a name then that kind of propelled him against some minutes,

(46:08):
in the league and he could show what he could do.
As a player people were buying.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Ticket thinking he was gonna. DUNK every game i think
that's the thing that happens when you actually played. For,
a team. WELL not anymore i don't think that even
kind of, results in that but that was. A, selling
POINT okay now i got all. E's on me can
you do? This thing again or what is he? Going
to DO that's how i Used. To, Watch spud well
I'll Be like spud web dunk that. FIVE to Seven
i know spug got another one in he You know.

(46:34):
What i'm, saying but again it would be your father
in law getting most. Of the minutes it'd be, You Know,
me Doc Rivers and doc rivers has, Some dunks too
but he wasn't like he didn't have to dunk knowing
That he Had spud and dominique. On his team You get.
What i'm saying he kind of, Like all right i'm
gonna get This assists or i'm gonna hit this KEY
jumper before, i YOU know or i can dump dump

(46:55):
It Off to kevin willison and they're gonna, get the
dunk so YOU know, what i mean like they had them. Type,
of teams man this has definitely been. A great topic
we're gonna take a quick break and when, we come
back we're in the name? Are top five two? Thousands guard,
dunkers all Right. WE'RE back dot i can't wait to.

(47:25):
Hear your five we. Have interesting criteria all these, guys
can dunk but everybody can't. Make the list so let us.
Hear you're, five, All.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Right MAN number Five I, got steve francis, like Number,
Four d, WADE number four i like to like some
stuff you've never seen before in games. At that size
with Special Number, three jason richardson.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
He just made.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
It look good and we talked. About the posters if you're,
on my walle you in, my top five if you
got multiple posters on my walle in. My top five
number two is My. Guy t mac you know you're
gonna find him. On the list and number one is
the the go To All Ghost Vince Carter End game
dunk contest dunker number One, In both yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I'm not mad i'm not mad, at that, List All
Right i'm i'm i'm gonna switch it up, a. Little
bit man. I'm gonna go, At number five i'm, gonna go, uh,
You Know. UH nate robinson i gotta give him his
credit man for being a, three time champ YOU know,
what i mean he did have some. In game, Dunks
at four i'm Gonna Go. With baron davis he's just

(48:39):
got some of the Nastiest dunks. That. I've seen, Uh
at three I'm Gonna. Go, jason, Richardson no actually i'm
Gonna go t. Mac At three t mac has, some
good dunks but he's more of a, better overall player
so his dunks kind of go to the wayside because
he was an early on dunker and this IS the

(49:00):
decade i need more body of. Work from Him Number.
Two jason richardson duncan is Once you once duncan is
your personality like, you a hooper, but your personality your,
archetype is dunker like you got to be in the.
Top for me, and then, obviously, You Know unanimously vince
carter YOU know, What, i mean like there's no one that.

(49:20):
HAS come, Close i mean. I'M still Waiting I liked
Zach Lavine, and Aaron Gordon but vince carter. IS just,
me i mean Look at, the rafters logo you know
the logo At it's his carter dunk, between the Legs
dunk the Raptors doing like it's that.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Speaks for. Itself, Man's, special yeah no That's That's that's
but I'm surprised know Kobe, In Either, Listnah No, kobe no,
KOBE because again I think of kobe as a.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Better basketball player he's the best basketball player. On this
list You get. WHAT i'm Saying I think ray allen
is the best basketball player. On this list like that.
Separates those guys.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
People have though man, He, had dunks no they, had.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Dunk yeah bodies but the thing is when you think,
About memorable.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Dunks i'm fighting i'm fighting. With, THIS one Man i
gotta I'M struggle BECAUSE i want. I wanted them i
wanted to fit him, in THE list but i.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Couldn't, do it man baron ak forty seven is a
top ten. Dunk all time and Not saying that kobe
don't possess, one Of Those but vince carter probably on this. List,
six times yeah do You know, what i'm saying like
to actually. Fit it in, and it's, Like All, right
jason richardson get a, Dunk, on there baron get a,
dunk on there YOU know? What i mean like certain
guys gonna get one dunk, on THAT list and i Just.

(50:39):
Don't think kobe maybe have maybe A few that i
can Think of that, I'm REALLY like, like I Said the,
vinson Yarbow Joint the, dwight howard joint but they're.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Not under the reverse under to the other, side that.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
One, That ONE too, like i said there's THREE dunks
that i, really think of but they don't overshadow guys
that actually dunk all. The time Time that's why kobe was,
a better player because he was just he did all
the other stuff that really mattered versus a guy putting
on a play and, they may lose YOU know. What
i mean That's that's why I'm that's why i'm still Weighing,

(51:12):
against The kobe because kobe was a better player. Than these. Guys,
this year, yeah all right we're. Gonna come back we're
gonna take. A quick break we're gonna do our favorite segment,
Of the pod Born In. The wrong era it Should
Be interested dot Born In. The wrong era i'm curious

(51:41):
to see who would actually thrive.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
In This era i'm i'm going chalk With him and
i'm Going to invest carter just because he should have
been playing in the social media. Clip TikTok era like
imagine Him in today's LIKE every night I was so
i was. Watching the games i'll watched him to watch, my,
pops play right and every night he was doing something

(52:04):
that would that would go viral. In today's era he
Was Like the, Blake griffin multiply like he was doing
the dunkle if it wasn't, dunking on somebody he was
getting a breakaway and between the legs and, the GAME order,
like i said the. Reverse three sixty he was doing
windmills in games, like those clips going, crazy every night
and he would have been a. BIGGER he, was i
mean obviously he, was a star but he would.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Have, been bigger yeah he would He probably had yeah
YOU know what i mean when you think about, because
that's honestly we don't really, account to that but that's
the true superstar popularity when you have to kind of
do the scale of have you broke the mode of
just playing basketball and being popular and you think about

(52:47):
who's the, most popular person who's the most, follow up
person because people have. To care enough like kids liked kids, think,
about it teammate.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
My favorite Player. KIDS like, Vince I mean team ac
a Lot more than. Vince back, Then you know vince
was the probably the better player early on.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
In the career mac just. Was cool man max is.
Just cool, man, that's It man cool max just knew
How to like vince the idea is in the marching
band and played, the you know Like he had he
had way too many. Like extracurricular things it was kind
Of like the Steve rkle bro he come in and
Change Into like clark kent and be able to put.

(53:25):
On something amazing but you'd Be Shocked that vince carter
is just so sharp and like such, a great guy
YOU know.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
What i mean he was getting his degree in the middle,
of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Like YOU know, What i mean like people, were actually questions,
That's my guy but.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
That's MY guy but i get.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It For, me steve, FRANCIS you know i talked about.
THE joh comp I Just think man francis would have
BEEN just because i still care. ABOUT the crossover i
don't see the crossover as much, in the league YOU know.
What i mean and it's not because of the carrying
calls or things. Of that nature guys just work. On
other things y'all got so many new things that are
more effective, than a crossover You know, What, i'm saying

(54:05):
like y'all not wasting your time trying. To DO that
but I Just think steve francis will be still playing around.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Like he wanted he brought the n one. To the
league one, of those guys one of the many guys
that brought put the.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
One style exists in. This current league.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
It's not efficient everything now, is about efficiency. Like doing,
it you know You.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
KNOW who LaMelo I feel like LaMelo plays very yo
yo loose on the string.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Street ball ish he PLAYS for the nba basketball and
that's why it's. A, bad rap yes, he does it
but he shoots so many three so that makes the
nerds and the yeah like him a. Little bit more
but he does some stuff, that's not, Effiicient not, necessary
like hell you want To, bounce past yeah he has

(54:55):
to have you have. To have fun and that's why,
people love him and that's why.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
People, hate him. Yeah. He's, Polarizing Yeah Absolutely, NOW steve francis. I,
THINK too yeah i definitely. He WOULD gamble, LIKE i
said I would be i would love him kill him in, the,
same Sentence bro because, i'd, be, Like hey man steve
fran you? See that, highlight but dog he went. Four
for nineteen he was trying to get out and they, Lost, By,

(55:20):
eight bro like What's Up? With, steve, FRANS like yeah
i can see. That, For sure man this has been.
A fun episode, took, me back man one of one
of my favorite. ERAS of basketball i call, it the
bling bling. Era of basketball a lot of A Lot Of,
nike free style a, lot of dunks a lot.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Of bring, the, posters back man kids bring back to. Bring,
BACK posters.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Hey i mean the, kids, gotta care man. They gotta
be they got to look, up to somebody You know.
WHAT i'm saying i think social media just kind of
took that away man to a point where now you
get to it's up the poster basically can.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Talk to you now, it's a video it's a it's a.
Five second clip instead of a instead of. A, freeze frame.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah it's, a valid, Point, All right doc where can?

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