May 8, 2025 • 39 mins
Dynamic guard play comes in many forms. But during an era when the backcourt king of the hill was a 6’9” guard from Lansing, MI, ”small” guards had to really bring it. While some believe the lack of height is a deficit, others can imagine how being lower to the ground as a primary ball handler and defender can become a strength for the right savvy player. Now mind you, “small” is all relative when we’re speaking of NBA players. In most cases they’d still tower over most at a high school reunion, at a regular job…anywhere really. But on occasion, there were those outlier players who were truly small by anyone’s standards yet left big impressions on the hardwood and in our hearts. Tune in as we give our flowers to some of the most determined players this league has ever seen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, Muggs is one of my favorite five to three.
Legit five to three and play fourteen years in the
NBA like crazy. And on top of that, he taught
us the game. We'll be over at his house a
lot as youngsters and he'd be on the backyard playing
one on one with us, Like me and Steph were
tall than him at like ten years old, which is crazy,
but never forget. Like I'm at his house, he taught
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me how to, like little trigger, how to steal the
ball from behind, like because before I used to always
like let a guy go buy me and reach over
the top behind him to try to steal the ball. Right,
He's like, nah, nah, young fella, when he go by,
you tap him on the left and then just underhand
tap the ball out from behind, tapping the front. When
of your teammates get it, you running out and you
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got an easy lay up. So he had all those type.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Of tricks in the trade. We are back. We are back.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome back to another episode of goat SEP's Good Trade.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What up Man? Another week another episode of so Let's
talk some hoops man.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's getting real good man. We're coming up with some
good topics and whatnot. So, man, let's just jump right
into it. Man, this episode is about the greatest guards
under sixty four of the nineteen nineties. Man, And you
know how we always start to show off we take
a trip down memory lane. So to identify the greatest
NBA guards under sixty four from the nineteen nineties, we'll
focus on players who primarily played as point guards to
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shooting guards during that decade, using their listed heights and
performance metrics like stats, accolades, and impact. The nineteen nineties
was a golden era for these type of guards, with
many smaller players making significant marks inside and outside the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, in the nineties, Man, it's interesting because it's a
physical era of basketball played under the more physical rules
with not a lot of space. It was tough on
them to get create space, and they had to be
crafty and creative and they really honestly, it was if
you were a guard back then, you were usually if
you were tall, you were big and stocky. Yeah, so
it kind of made you a big guard, so you
had to you kind of stood out when you were
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a small guard able to play in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now, you know from personal experience, being undersized at your position.
There's a huge expectation coming from your position as a
shooting guard. Right normally from a stature stage, you would
be considered an NBA point guard or a combo or
tweeer or whatever it is. How you know, obviously we've
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had previous episodes where you talked about, you know, being
deciding your role of what you were going to be
and how it actually worked out. Looking at these players
that come before you, how helpful have they been? I
guess opening the door for you in your in your
position that you're in now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It gives you confidence, gives you confidence that you can
do it. Watching a lot of these guards, watching the
tape on them. You know, at the end of the day,
basketball is a skilled game. So if you got the
skills that you worked on your game, you've been able
to apply them on the floor. You can shoot, dribble, pass,
and most portly. A lot of these guys have high IQs.
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That helps you on the defensive end, being able to
guard your position, being able to guard bigger guys, beat
them the spots, and just use your anticipation to get
steals and and be a good defender as well. You
gotta hold your own own defense. To be able to
do what you want to do in offense. That's that's
always the case. So I definitely took some stuff from
all these guards, even even back in the nineties, and
try to plumb to what I do.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I think that's the beauty of basketball because small,
small guy, big heart. And then also you're more relatable
to the average person walking around than most people, you
know what I mean. So I think that's another thing
that's that's the beauty of it. And watching you going
off for thirty points and you're standing next to a
person that just may be working as a banker or
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a grossing you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So now that's a good point because you think about
in the nineties or early two thousands, a lot of
these guards were in the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant mold
of six six is five long range g wing.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Type of guards.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But a lot of these people were going to talk
about to day that Tim Hardaways, the John Stockton's aisor whatever.
They stood out because they were small guards. And then
like you said, they relate to the fans in that
sense people want to watch them play.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, so you mention you mentioned standing out, this actual
player got a chance to hide like your brother in
the Olympics, Like people didn't recognize him because he was
so short. This is John Stockton. You taught Jazz floor
general man like led the Jazz to two NBA finals
in the late nineties. He also holds the all time
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NBA record for assists and steals and average thirteen point
five ten point five assists and two point two steals
per game in an entire decade. One thing about Stockton,
you look at him, he doesn't look like he can
do a lot. He wears short shorts. He's you know,
looks like in the average Joe man. And then out
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there most of the stories you've heard, he's feisty. He's
probably one of the most competitive people that you've ever
played against. And he could score, he can get it going,
and he just was just just fired up. Man. So
you know, like again, to hold a record that hasn't
been broken in almost thirty some years, man, it's just
super impressive, especially for what he was able to do.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Now he's a poster boy for some of the intangibles.
You gotta have to be a small guard in the NBA,
and the first thing is feisty, like you said, he's
a nasty dude man like he would do anything out
there to win, and similar to that Chris Paul Mole.
He'll give you a rib shot, you know what I'm saying,
grab your jersey, you know what I'm saying, give you
a shot to the shot to the gut. If you're
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not trying to get a rebound over him or post
him up or whatever it is. He doing whatever it
takes to get that ed. So I mean, you got
to respect the guy, like John Stocked him playing so
many years at that size and being one of the
best to do it, He's gonna be on a lot
of lists.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah. Absolutely. Next one, Alan Iris cultural Icon, entered the
league in nineteen ninety six a little bit mid nineties,
became a scoring phenom. Obviously, we've talked about him a
little bit on signature moves him crossing MJ. But despite
his size, he averaged twenty five point six points per game,
six point five assists per game, and two point three
steals per game. Iverson gets a knack for on ball defense,
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but he's one of those guards that you know playing
the pass and lane. He had arms like a six
to six guy. Overall, he didn't win a ring, but
he's still one of the most beloved players this game
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, he ain't gonna make my list just for the
fact he was drafted mid nineties, but he didn't make
his first All Star team and he didn't become like
one of the best in the league. I think till
like ninety nine, two thousand, like the last year of
the nineties. So I mean he's he's AI. Everybody know
what he did, and his name holds weight. But in
the nineties era, I think I don't think he's gonna
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make my list just simple he I don't view him
as a nineties guy.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I've viewed him as a two thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
When he's winning his MVPs and going to the finals
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I don't know how he would be perceived in this era,
right because he didn't win. He got to the finals
once he won an MVP, which is probably the biggest claim.
He didn't have a great shooting percentage. I think outside
of being quote unquote cool, I don't know if he
would be received as well or revered to the point
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of like a hero, you know what I mean. I
think he gets more, he's more loved by his coolness
than the actual play.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Sometimes I see it now like he's leading headlines on
all the talking head talk shows. Of all he's a
high volume score.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Not playing winning basketball per se.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know, even though he did take that team to
the finals himself, he taken all the shots he's gunning.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But that's I mean, that's his role. They put him.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They put a team around him, full of guys who
defended and got him the ball screen for him, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's that's called And that's also called creating a team
around your best player. How many how many gms and
teams doing that these days, like you got your best
one or two three players and instead of just stockpiling talent,
building a roster of a team that's gonna win. And
I think Ai benefited from that for a few years
while he was in Philly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's disrespect to his team saying
that he didn't have help, you know what I mean.
He had the defensive Player of the Year and the
Kimba Mutombo, he had the sixth Man of the Year,
and then also he played with some solid vets George Lynch.
You know what I mean Aaron, Yeah, you know what
I mean. So like those those type of players, you
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know what I mean, that actually benefits you know what
I mean for the bad games too, because like, yeah,
they didn't average twenty, but they were pretty much you know,
supportive in other ways that he needed to win those
ball games. So very very interesting, this guy right here,
when it comes to top three point guards all time,
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he has to be in the conversation, mister Isaiah Thomas.
His prime was the nineteen eighties, but you know he
played through nineteen ninety four. He won two titles in
eighty nine and ninety and then in the nineties he
averaged sixteen point nine and eight point two assists per game.
If he doesn't tear his achilles. Mind you, he tore
his achilles back then. It's such a like career ending
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thing back then. Like it's probably like not as common,
but you know, you tear your achilles at thirty two
years old, you tapped, and it was unfortunate because like
nobody wanted to touch him after that, you know. Obviously
that forced him into being an exec being a part
of the Toronto Raptors, and then also going and joining
the New York Knicks later on down the line. But
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how good was Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He wanted the people that this show was made for,
like he got to get his respect. One of the
best to have her do it at his size, like
an all time great finishing, you know, see like you
see him getting into the lane among the trees and
Orland Derby finished just with the right or whatever. And
like I said, taking these big guys on in a
physical area where they was trying to take your head
off when you got in the lane, Like there wasn't
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no flagrance getting getting you kicked out of the out
of the game out here, it was, oh that's a
that's a regular file. Take it out on the side.
So he was no fear type of guard, and his
handles were unmatched. Like if he was playing in today's area,
he'll be up there with the Kyrie Stephs, those guys
who elite ball.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Handless, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And getting into Joe Dumars now, like he could be
on this list too. It's kind of a bigger he's
right on the borderline of being concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And he did a great job on Michael Jordan when
during those Jordan Rules era years I think that that
was their whole identity, that backward between Isaiah and Joe
and how really good they were. I mean respect to Isaiah,
you know what I mean. I hate that, you know,
he was left off the Dream Team and most people
put that as a black cloud over the everything that
he's done, and he was really, really, really good. And
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Joe Dumars obviously had that jump shot that you know
that most people talk about, you know, his success.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Those two two like a smaller backcourt. That's another product
the great team building, right, you got the two smaller
backcourt with a team and the rest of the team
and the rest of the start of five a big
physical defenders and bigs who protect those guys for real.
So I mean you got those that smaller backcourt. You
got John Stockton and Jeff Corndersack another borderline smaller backcourt
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in the nineties who were some of the best teams
really of all time.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Absolutely, Tim Hardaware, Tim Bug another guard out of Chicago,
dynamic point guard that started in Golden State and also
played in Miami, known for this killer crossover. Average nineteen
point four points and nine assists per game. Five All
Star appearances and five All NBA selections. Tim bug is
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like one of the ones, another guard that never won
the title, but very good and very loved, you know
what I mean, Like he was he was really competitive.
He made those Nicks first heat matchups really fun. He
really brought his a game when he had to, you
know what I mean, Like they made the point guard
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like position really fun. You know what I mean when
you really think about ay, they're not just passing and
being floor generals, like they're scoring and they're leading their
team in scoring and really tearing their team up. And
he also had signature shoes with Nike and things of
that nature that really helped him be marketed and advertise
the way that he was supposed to be. But how
good was Tim Hardaway.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He one of those ones who brought the electricity to
the to the floor, like you wanted to watch him play.
Obviously with the killer crossover, he could he can handle it.
He could shoot, pass, I mean he wanted. He ain't
had no weakness offensively as a guard and strong enough
to play through physicality when he got into pain. So
he one of those like just going on with spark
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plugs on the on the floor who could put up
high numbers.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
He can get you ten assists if you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And he kind of moved around on different teams here
and there too, so that kind of affects what team
you look at him, like, who was he tied to
when you talk about his legacy and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, I mean when you think about getting Miami, getting
free agents to Miami, it was because of Tim Hardaway.
He brought them to relevance, you know what I mean
before they even got the you know, all the other
players and eventually won titles with d Wade and them
in the future. But there's there's no sexiness about the
heat without you know, Tim Hardaway. Before Lebron, there was
another guard, Mark Price, and that's six feet Mark Price
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was one of them, dudes. Man sharpshooter average fifteen points
per game and six point eight assists in the nineties,
thirty nine percent from the three He made three All
Star teams in that decade. It was a key part
in the Cavs playoff runs. Obviously they had to play
against Michael Jordans so and get a chance to reach
the highest peak in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But you can say that about a lot of people. Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Mike shut it down. But his claim is his free
throw shooting ninety point four percent ranks third all time
in the NBA history. You talk about Stockton and Mark Price,
they're also they're often compared, not just because they're short,
white guys, but they really were tough guards man, and
they can fill it up and get it going whenever.
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Mark was the better shooter, and you know those classic
matchups for bulls versus calves. Man, like he was a
thorn in aside as a little kid watching him hoop.
But I can appreciate him now as an adult.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always love him like one of those just skilled
could shoot it. And it's funny now like I look
at my doing my career and I see all the
three point lists and the free throw shooting list that
I'm trying to be a part of, like all time
three point percentages, and I see his name everywhere, like
he's just a pure shooter, knockdown from all all areas
on the floor, like one of those fifty forty ninety guys,
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like you said in the Around, really in Around with
Steph KD Kyrie, just Steve Nash's ultimate shooters. Like so
I gain he's criminally underrated in my opinion, man, Like
he got to be talked about more.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I think it's really cool that you acknowledge that too,
to you know, I mean most people wouldn't hear it
like that. He is one of the players that did
it before you and also a great place in your
career of where you want to be sitting at, like
the type of table that you want to be respectful
to and get to. And Mark Price is one of
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those players that have earned it, and you know when
people bring up his name, people respect him.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, Like he was a model of efficiency before efficiency
was talked about. Yeah, and that's just because he could
really shoot it. Like, I'm sure he wasn't out there
thinking about affective field goal percentage and wor none of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He was. He was just hooping like everybody did back then.
But he made a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, when we come back from break, STEP's gonna tell
his great story about Kevin Johnson KJJ. How cold is
(16:18):
kJ kJ is actually one of my favorite cards. Man.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I gotta I'm like scarred when I talk about Kevin Johnson,
And I'm gona tell you why. I got a quick
quick story. I was my dad was like in the nineties.
I'm probably four or five six something like that. My
dad's playing in Charlotte. I think kJ was playing for
the Sons maybe, And so it's like a weekday and
we're not allowed to go to the games during the week.
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We got schooled the next day. So we're watching the
Hornets game put versus Sons at home and next thing
you know, my dad gets popped in the nose, nose bleeding,
he breaks his nose. So basically, Kevin Johnson done some
shoot to the something and comes down elbows my pops
in the nose, breaks his nose, my mom panicking, I'm crying,
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like my mom is leaving for going on and check
on my dad at the hospital. All that get his
nose fixed. But I mean, I'm a forever scarred, and
Kevin Johnson is the dude who broke my dad's nose
when I was a little kid and made me cry
in the living room.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So, dang man, Kevin Johnson a boogie man. That's a
great story, man. I think that's the I think that's
the different viewpoint when you really look at it from
a very close perspective. Right, your dad's in the NBA
your kid. You're watching the game, you see your dad bleed,
so for one show on his humanside, and then secondly
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you got to watch the guy. Did he do it
on purpose or he didn't? Right, Yeah, that's another viewpoint
that you're looking at it like you're.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, like a lot of people in my family, like
I told the Reg Miller story earlier, like he was
a little nasty. You see the guys my pops competed with,
and a lot of people in my family don't like him,
like Kevin Johnson another one of those people.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
They think they think he did it on purpose. Oh man,
that nasty wha.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Man. We're gonna we're gonna talk a little positive about
him on this one. So you know, he was eighteen
point three points per game, eight point nine as sists
per game in nineties with a twenty one point zero
player efficiency rate. We just talked about efficiency and he
led the Sun to ninety three finals and earned three
All Star nods. He also has that nasty dunk on
the Lojawan just you know, stained in my brain. One
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of the best plays is because I just liked small
guards dunking on big man. So that was one of
those things. But Yeah, he's the type of player to
give players fits and also is known as the villain
now on this pod.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now a big time scorer though, Yeah, you look back
on his career, he would be I mean, he would
be one of those in today's league.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I mean, I don't want to say he couldn't be
a starter, but he like the perfect six man off
the bench, Jordan Clarkson type, coming in just average eighteen
to twenty off the bench. For you, it's like six
to one, like you said, having hops like that, could
shoot it from all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
He was cold man.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, let's go all the way to the midwest. Milwaukee,
Wisconsin Representative Terry Porter. Terry Porter was a key piece
for the Portland Trail Blazers, averaging fifteen point two points
per game and six point seven iss ist per game.
In the nineties. He led the Blazers to nineteen ninety
two finals, earning two All Star appearances, and then also
during his peak of nineteen ninety ninety ninety three, he
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had an efficient shooting split of forty seven point two,
forty point two and eighty five point six. So playing
alongside Clyde Drexler, Cliff Robinson, you know what I mean.
And other players that were on that team, Jerome Cursey
rest in peace. You know. Terry Porter was one of
those guards that you've seen that you know, was super effective, solid,
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did what he had to do. I got a chance
to watch him when I was a kid, but then
also watching him become a coach in Phoenix and you know,
seeing him go around. He had that infamous leather knee
brace that was a that was a different look. I
don't know if it nasty, if it helped on the performance,
but yeah, man, Terry Porter was one of them dudes.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I learned about Terry Porter when I want to when
I went and signed with the Blazers, like in twenty nineteen.
I went out there, so I'm on the phone with
the equipment guy, like, you know, I'm signing with the
signing one number.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You one?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You gotta ask me that. I'm like, you know, I
want thirty, Like you can't have it? Like why just retired?
Who out there is I know Rashid who I'm Rashid player?
Who Who's them at thirty in Portland? Terry Porter? So
I had to do my research. He was a bucket.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He was cold.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, go get that thirty one move off my way.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Me has it?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I couldn't get it. Nah. Yeah, Terry Porter, bigger guard
like six three, but like size. You know what I'm saying,
strong guard who could score the ball.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I promise I didn't do this on purpose.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
The next person I'm actually wearing his shirt, Man, Kenny Anderson. Man,
you know what I'm saying. Kenny Anderson, point guard for
the Nets and Celtics point guard the average fifteen point
eight points per game, seven point four assists per game.
In the nineties. He made one All Star team, but
his game is it's talked about still to this day.
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When you think about certain players. You got the Brandon Jennings,
you got the Toad Peedifirst, you got the Malik Monks
of the world. Different guards. That was very shifty. One
of the most popular guards out of New York. You
know what I mean. He actually if Nio existed, Kenny
Kenny Anderson have all that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like New York's finals, Like this.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is a park shirt, Like you got to think about
this a park shirt and people they recreated it. That's
how crazy Kenny's buzz was in the city.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Went to Georgia Tech did his thing, but just just
really you know, outside of making that All Star appearance
with Derrick Coleman with the new Jersey nets, Kenny Anderson
is one of those dudes that really put on man
and one of my favorite point guards of the nineties.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
He was stopper.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He one of those you could tell where he learned
who like outside in the park just getting up and
down handle flashy could finish.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He's his only downfall. He couldn't really shoot the ball
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So if he had a high level jump shot, he
would be one of the best to be ever talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like he can pass. True point guard type type of guy.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
This guy right here, man, this is my one of
my guys. We gotta get him on the show. Nick
van Ashen my favorite Laker of all time. Most people
say Kobe, most people say Shack, most people say Eddie Jones.
Nick vanax is my guy, bro. He had me getting
the slashes in the eyebrow. He was lefty. He used
to do like the you know, like the bounce. He
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used to do this. Yeah, really has swag out there, bro.
And then when he got traded from the Lakers, he
just his whole swag was there. His Dallas like you
know what I mean, his Dallas Maverick years, Warriors years,
like he worked thirty seven with Golden State.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He had a good old head run like when he
got older and he lost a step.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Two races in high socks with the headband swag.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He held on. He was a bucket man. He could
hoop like Lefty. I always say lefties look better everything
they do look better when you were Lefty, And that's
the case with him, Like Flashy kind of he just
more a little bit more polished than Kenny Anderson, like
just more fundamentals and sound, but kind of younger, younger guard,
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kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Obviously, he could shoot a little better.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Like in the nineties he averaged fifteen point two points
per game, seven point three assists per game, and he
shot thirty six from the three. And you know, like
Nick the Quick was really like that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, that's high quality, right.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
High quality, high quality. This next dude, man, he I
feel like outside of your dad, bro. If he don't exist,
I don't know if this game, y'all type of play
wouldn't be in factor. Chris Jackson aka Mark Mood, I'll
do rauf like Chris Jackson is so code. Shaq was
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the second option.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, like he like the first light skinn assassin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like really think about that, Like Shaq was second option
in college to him here thirty five points per game
in college.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Shooting with the range like he was one just taking
unnecessary shots from deep, like stretching the stretching the limits
of where his range is at, like coming up the
floor dancing with it, like you had to guard as
soon as he crossed half court. One of those guys,
what like what his career could have been if he
ain't faced some of the stuff he did.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean sixteen points per game, three point eight
assists per game, forty four from the field, and his
shots were very tough, you know what I mean. You
watch his documentary and you watched them his highlights. You like, man,
you taking some tough ones, dog and played but the
rim two at six to one. So he was really
like that. You know, he dealt with turetts and that
was another challenge. And then obviously he had al sands
(25:00):
that you know, may have may not got him out
the league early, but at the end of the day,
like man, he's one of the goats to be mentioned
in this point guard discussion under six four man. He
was really like that for real.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that's what out of question.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I know this one is this. This player is a
special player to you. Muggsy bogues Man five to three,
one of the best defenders this game of scene. Definitely speed.
You know, it's the infamous picture of Michael Jordan posting
him up, you know what I mean, and most people like,
what is he supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
He averaged an eight eight point five points per game,
eight point eight assists per game, one point six steals
per game. He was a fan favorite and a defensive pest,
helping the Hornets become a playoff team in the mid
nineties with Zoe Larry Johnson and Dale Curry.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, Muggs is one of my favorite five to three
legit five to three and played fourteen years in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Like, I can't explain how that's done. To be honest,
he was.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
He was unreal, like people scared to pick to dribble
the ball around him picking up ninety four feet like
you're looking around. The old the old famous tale is
if you don't see Muggs pick the ball up because
he's somewhere behind you about to steal it. The ultimate
point guard running the team, getting got at the ball
in their positions, could score quick, all that type of stuff.
So mugs playing, like I said, playing fourteen years in
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the NBA at five to three is a story that
needs to be told more and really one of those
inspirational stories that he the reason a lot of people
played in college got to the NBA, Like you can
really do anything you want with the right skill level
of the right work ethic.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Muggs. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And on top of that, you gotta give him credit
for help him, Like he taught us the game. We'll
be over at his house a lot as youngsters and
he'd be on the backyard playing one on one with us,
Like me and Steph were tall than him at like
ten years old, which is crazy, But.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He taught us the game. Ta taught me a lot
of different tricks. He was one. He taught me how
to like steal the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I never forget, Like I'm at his house playing one
on one with him and his son blactually playing twenty
one if y'all know what that game is. He taught
me how to, like little trigger, how to steal the
ball from from behind, like because before I used to
always like let a guy go by me and reach
over the top behind him to try to steal the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Right, He's like, nah, nah, young fella.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
When he go by, you tap him on the lefl
and then just underhand tap the ball out from behind,
tapping the front when of your teammates get it, you
running out and you got an easy lay up. So
he had all those type of tricks in the trade.
And that's one of the reasons you could play so
long at that size.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I watched his high school doc two of like how
good he was on offense. Now, obviously you get to
the NBA, you have to go into your role and
you got to sacrifice your game. But when you see
mugs like again, y'all was almost taller than him at ten.
So the idea not only are you feeling motivated that
you can make the NBA, because you're kind of like
not even like, oh he's this height and he can
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you know, I feel I can can play. But it's
just like you also see him the night and night
and basis being big players six four six three six feet,
you know, and he's there like to a point where
you can't even leave the ball around, you know what
I mean. And that's to his advantage. And obviously I'm
glad that he got a chance to be in Space
GM too, because they grew his brand a little bit
(28:17):
more on the popular side, because you know, he was
really like that man. And I never met Muggsy in person,
but like you know, he definitely was an inspiration because
I used to read his stats on the back of
his card and I was like five three, so I went,
I would be measuring myself. I'm like, man, I can
make it to the NBA or like, you know what
(28:38):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But it just showed a lot like yeah, we talked
about him and spoiled web to the both of those
guys is like you watch the game up.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Why don't they just post them up? Oh you can't
do it? No, they strong as him, They strong as hell.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
They they try, You try it once or twice, and
then they go away from it because you know that's
not the formula.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
He not in his era, but Earl Boykins was like that.
Earl Boykins five five and a bench press four hundred pounds,
super strong. You're not getting to your spot.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
If you want to scoring them, you got to shoot
a tough fade away from mid range and then you
ain't getting all way to the rim.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I love those type of archetypes. Man, we don't get
them no more. We had the Drew Lavenders, the Isaiah Thomas,
a few other guys, but it's not too many even I.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You see how small Isaiah Thomas, the second Isaiah Thomas.
You see how small he is out on the floor
at five to nine muggets. That's six inches tall than mugs.
Yeah sane, Yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
For real when you really think about that, and he
looks little so mugs in today's game, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't again, I don't have no I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I don't have no sympathy, man, I don't have no
sympathy for a player that can't defend. And I just
don't like averaging eight and eight in that era that's
supposed to be physical and tough.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The last player we want to talk about, man, special
person to my heart got me into basketball, ironically, Terrell Brandon, Portland, Organson.
I got a chance to go to his basketball camp
when I was ten. I got sent to Portland because
I was being bad and my uncle was like, Yo,
your cousin Bruce, he's going to this basketball camp you're
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going to. I really didn't care about the NBA like that.
I wasn't really tripping. Terrell was doing this free basketball camp,
you know what I mean, in Portland and Northeast Portland.
And I pulled up, got some free shoes, got a
T shirt, and I really had the time of my
life man, and I got a chance to meet TV.
TV also had a barbershop right there on Alberta, which
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was pretty cool, and he had a limos.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Every NBA player in the nineties had a barbershop.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think that was probably the hand
all of the restaurant. But him being from Portland, man,
and just baking it. And then also I still was short,
but like him being five to eleven, he just looked
like just normal to me, you know what I mean, Like, Yo,
you out here playing like you know what I mean,
like just one of the coolest things.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He had swag too. Man, he had the middle park
and you know, just was really rapping high you rep man.
But yeah, TV two time All Star. I remember they
had this one article. Man, it's him in the Cleveland CAF,
Jersey best point guard in the NBA, the light Blue
Junk Yeah, Hard Hard.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I'm like, ooh, he the.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Best, like and I know him, so it was like
one of the cool things of like, you know, I
sound got his number, but I'm like, I met this dude, bro,
Like he ain't Jordan, but he the best at his position,
so I gotta be hyped about it. He averaged fourteen
point two points per game, five point eight per assists
per game, one point seven steals per game, and shot
forty six from the field. His impact all around helped
(31:49):
the cast reach the playoffs, Man, and he earned ty
praise from his peers. Man, it's one of the most
underrated guards of that decade. Man, And you know he
was great and Soda with KG. I think he helped
k get to that next level, Man, to get to
the play where he was supposed to be. Man, I
really love TV.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, he was solid.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just had a shorter run of being like one of
the best point guards in the league, but just solid
all the way around.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
For I mean, it's a good career. I can't really
add much to what you just added. It's a good story.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, Man, love TV. Man must respect to TV man
Pete Town. All right, man, we're gonna take another break,
but when we come back, we're gonna give our goat
top five.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, Trey, another week, another top five. Last week
I had a good five. But let's keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
You mean go first?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, please do? All right?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
My top five goat small guards of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Number five, and you knew he was making my list.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Muggsy Bogus like just the story, the skill playing fourteen years,
number five, Muggsy Bogues, number four, Kevin Johnson a bucket,
number three, my god Mark Price, just efficiency. That's like
his middle name is fifty forty ninety. Number two John
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Stockton and my number one best guard in the nineteen nineties,
Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Okay, alright, I like it. I like it man, So
I'm gonna start off at number five. Got my dog TV.
He got me into the hoops, so gotta put TV
on there. To real Brandon at four. Got my colleague
Rod Strickland, half a Rod on there at four. You
know what I mean. He is one of the only
(33:48):
guys to never make an All Star but have All
Star numbers. Number three Mike moved out. Duro just too
cold to leave off my list. Number two Stockton one
of the goats, literally and out of this list. You know,
I gotta be Isaiah Thomas Man. We mutually agreed on
that one, you know, man, Lord Zeke Man, he's one
(34:11):
of one of the ones man out of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, the top two got to be unanimous. But after that,
your your listen a little nuts. You gotta you got
a lot of a lot of like you got some
memories with those three, Yeah, that's what you were with.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I can't those three.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's a personal list, man.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, which it's cool, but there ain't a lot of
all stars in those three. All right.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Our favorite segment of the pod Born in the Wrong Era.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Mike move out. I think that's the easiest choice. I
think he would cook. He would cook with high grease
in this era. Like whether it's the long ball, whether
it's just getting to his shot, somebody just like giving
him to go ahead. He can get going at any time.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And I think whether he got a good or bad team,
he gonna he gonna lead. He gonna leave the league
top five and scoring for show.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I feel you.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I feel like he made for this era for sure,
I like that one. Like mine, I'm going with Tim
Hardaway kill a crossover crazy handle. He could shoot it
good enough, and like I feel like in today's era,
with today's space and the less physicality and the rules
and the way the game played, like he would be
nice just playing with that freedom, like using that handle,
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even more playing without two bigs in the lane, Like,
I feel like he would be a great spark plug
on any team. Like I said, just without the physicality,
he could really get in his bag and show. He
probably add a couple more dribbles to the to the repertoire.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, I mean, I ain't mad it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Tim Hardaway was definitely one of them type of players
that just can really get after it, man like scoring
and yeah, I mean he he would definitely be cracking
and he'd be talking a lot of trash. You got he,
I know you have a lot. He'd lead a lot
of lead league in a lot of texts.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In fact, you can do it back then, you can
get away with it. You can't today's era.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Trying to send some Tim Hardaway right now would probably
be crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's happen.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I don't know if I'm with it, man, and then
I don't know how I mean I mentioned my move.
I mean at the end of the day, like from
a political stance, maybe he gets away with it, you
know what I mean, he gets the social support. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Nah, that's a good point too. Yeah he would. No,
he would definitely would.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I mean, like I think everybody would probably be more
understanding and kind of shame like put a little pressure
on the NBA to kind of you know, he.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Takes some I mean obviously Twitter, he would take some
heat from certain people like everybody do. But it wouldn't
be one of those things where it's hurting the image
of the league or yeah they want him out of there.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
No, I think some brands would get behind him and
he would have some proper campaigning that wouldn't affected him. Man,
he probably would be playing a little bit longer if
his body could withstand everything.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It might make him more popular, to be honest, might
might have helped him.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's a whole nother tap market, you know what I mean.
We don't have too many players doing that, bro, Because
you gotta live. You gotta live. You got to walk
that whole straight line and he did it. He did
it to a point where he ain't you know, he
ain't trying to fix it that and nothing. He's just like,
all right, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, I'm standing on it.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So respect to him. Man, there's not too many players
that's doing that, man. But uh yeah, man, it's been
a great episode obviously. I really love this topic, man,
because we just had some personal memories and relatability as
far as hip and play. And you know, it's some
real hitters on that list, man.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Honestly, they've got we gotta circle this one back with
a with a guest.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
On it. This might be a part three like part
two part three, because you know, we this this is
one where you you know, you bring these type of
players up and you come back to these and you
look at it and you say, dang, like, how'd you fare?
What do you think about this guy? Because I mean,
now that's a different conversation. You you get a chance
to talk about them and go on about that. So
(37:56):
I would love to hear that for sure. You know, man,
we gotta we gotta come to an end, man, and
get ready for the next one. Any closing thoughts, man,
before before we send them.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
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Yeah, Muggs is one of my favorite five to three.
Legit five to three and play fourteen years in the
NBA like crazy. And on top of that, he taught
us the game. We'll be over at his house a
lot as youngsters and he'd be on the backyard playing
one on one with us, Like me and Steph were
tall than him at like ten years old, which is crazy,
but never forget. Like I'm at his house, he taught
(00:21):
me how to, like little trigger, how to steal the
ball from behind, like because before I used to always
like let a guy go buy me and reach over
the top behind him to try to steal the ball. Right,
He's like, nah, nah, young fella, when he go by,
you tap him on the left and then just underhand
tap the ball out from behind, tapping the front. When
of your teammates get it, you running out and you
(00:41):
got an easy lay up. So he had all those type.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Of tricks in the trade. We are back. We are back.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome back to another episode of goat SEP's Good Trade.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What up Man? Another week another episode of so Let's
talk some hoops man.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's getting real good man. We're coming up with some
good topics and whatnot. So, man, let's just jump right
into it. Man, this episode is about the greatest guards
under sixty four of the nineteen nineties. Man, And you
know how we always start to show off we take
a trip down memory lane. So to identify the greatest
NBA guards under sixty four from the nineteen nineties, we'll
focus on players who primarily played as point guards to
(01:25):
shooting guards during that decade, using their listed heights and
performance metrics like stats, accolades, and impact. The nineteen nineties
was a golden era for these type of guards, with
many smaller players making significant marks inside and outside the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, in the nineties, Man, it's interesting because it's a
physical era of basketball played under the more physical rules
with not a lot of space. It was tough on
them to get create space, and they had to be
crafty and creative and they really honestly, it was if
you were a guard back then, you were usually if
you were tall, you were big and stocky. Yeah, so
it kind of made you a big guard, so you
had to you kind of stood out when you were
(02:03):
a small guard able to play in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now, you know from personal experience, being undersized at your position.
There's a huge expectation coming from your position as a
shooting guard. Right normally from a stature stage, you would
be considered an NBA point guard or a combo or
tweeer or whatever it is. How you know, obviously we've
(02:27):
had previous episodes where you talked about, you know, being
deciding your role of what you were going to be
and how it actually worked out. Looking at these players
that come before you, how helpful have they been? I
guess opening the door for you in your in your
position that you're in now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It gives you confidence, gives you confidence that you can
do it. Watching a lot of these guards, watching the
tape on them. You know, at the end of the day,
basketball is a skilled game. So if you got the
skills that you worked on your game, you've been able
to apply them on the floor. You can shoot, dribble, pass,
and most portly. A lot of these guys have high IQs.
(03:05):
That helps you on the defensive end, being able to
guard your position, being able to guard bigger guys, beat
them the spots, and just use your anticipation to get
steals and and be a good defender as well. You
gotta hold your own own defense. To be able to
do what you want to do in offense. That's that's
always the case. So I definitely took some stuff from
all these guards, even even back in the nineties, and
try to plumb to what I do.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I think that's the beauty of basketball because small,
small guy, big heart. And then also you're more relatable
to the average person walking around than most people, you
know what I mean. So I think that's another thing
that's that's the beauty of it. And watching you going
off for thirty points and you're standing next to a
person that just may be working as a banker or
(03:47):
a grossing you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So now that's a good point because you think about
in the nineties or early two thousands, a lot of
these guards were in the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant mold
of six six is five long range g wing.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Type of guards.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But a lot of these people were going to talk
about to day that Tim Hardaways, the John Stockton's aisor whatever.
They stood out because they were small guards. And then
like you said, they relate to the fans in that
sense people want to watch them play.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, so you mention you mentioned standing out, this actual
player got a chance to hide like your brother in
the Olympics, Like people didn't recognize him because he was
so short. This is John Stockton. You taught Jazz floor
general man like led the Jazz to two NBA finals
in the late nineties. He also holds the all time
(04:36):
NBA record for assists and steals and average thirteen point
five ten point five assists and two point two steals
per game in an entire decade. One thing about Stockton,
you look at him, he doesn't look like he can
do a lot. He wears short shorts. He's you know,
looks like in the average Joe man. And then out
(04:56):
there most of the stories you've heard, he's feisty. He's
probably one of the most competitive people that you've ever
played against. And he could score, he can get it going,
and he just was just just fired up. Man. So
you know, like again, to hold a record that hasn't
been broken in almost thirty some years, man, it's just
super impressive, especially for what he was able to do.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Now he's a poster boy for some of the intangibles.
You gotta have to be a small guard in the NBA,
and the first thing is feisty, like you said, he's
a nasty dude man like he would do anything out
there to win, and similar to that Chris Paul Mole.
He'll give you a rib shot, you know what I'm saying,
grab your jersey, you know what I'm saying, give you
a shot to the shot to the gut. If you're
(05:40):
not trying to get a rebound over him or post
him up or whatever it is. He doing whatever it
takes to get that ed. So I mean, you got
to respect the guy, like John Stocked him playing so
many years at that size and being one of the
best to do it, He's gonna be on a lot
of lists.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah. Absolutely. Next one, Alan Iris cultural Icon, entered the
league in nineteen ninety six a little bit mid nineties,
became a scoring phenom. Obviously, we've talked about him a
little bit on signature moves him crossing MJ. But despite
his size, he averaged twenty five point six points per game,
six point five assists per game, and two point three
steals per game. Iverson gets a knack for on ball defense,
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but he's one of those guards that you know playing
the pass and lane. He had arms like a six
to six guy. Overall, he didn't win a ring, but
he's still one of the most beloved players this game
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, he ain't gonna make my list just for the
fact he was drafted mid nineties, but he didn't make
his first All Star team and he didn't become like
one of the best in the league. I think till
like ninety nine, two thousand, like the last year of
the nineties. So I mean he's he's AI. Everybody know
what he did, and his name holds weight. But in
the nineties era, I think I don't think he's gonna
(06:51):
make my list just simple he I don't view him
as a nineties guy.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I've viewed him as a two thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
When he's winning his MVPs and going to the finals
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I don't know how he would be perceived in this era,
right because he didn't win. He got to the finals
once he won an MVP, which is probably the biggest claim.
He didn't have a great shooting percentage. I think outside
of being quote unquote cool, I don't know if he
would be received as well or revered to the point
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of like a hero, you know what I mean. I
think he gets more, he's more loved by his coolness
than the actual play.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Sometimes I see it now like he's leading headlines on
all the talking head talk shows. Of all he's a
high volume score.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Not playing winning basketball per se.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know, even though he did take that team to
the finals himself, he taken all the shots he's gunning.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But that's I mean, that's his role. They put him.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They put a team around him, full of guys who
defended and got him the ball screen for him, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's that's called And that's also called creating a team
around your best player. How many how many gms and
teams doing that these days, like you got your best
one or two three players and instead of just stockpiling talent,
building a roster of a team that's gonna win. And
I think Ai benefited from that for a few years
while he was in Philly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's disrespect to his team saying
that he didn't have help, you know what I mean.
He had the defensive Player of the Year and the
Kimba Mutombo, he had the sixth Man of the Year,
and then also he played with some solid vets George Lynch.
You know what I mean Aaron, Yeah, you know what
I mean. So like those those type of players, you
(08:37):
know what I mean, that actually benefits you know what
I mean for the bad games too, because like, yeah,
they didn't average twenty, but they were pretty much you know,
supportive in other ways that he needed to win those
ball games. So very very interesting, this guy right here,
when it comes to top three point guards all time,
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he has to be in the conversation, mister Isaiah Thomas.
His prime was the nineteen eighties, but you know he
played through nineteen ninety four. He won two titles in
eighty nine and ninety and then in the nineties he
averaged sixteen point nine and eight point two assists per game.
If he doesn't tear his achilles. Mind you, he tore
his achilles back then. It's such a like career ending
(09:24):
thing back then. Like it's probably like not as common,
but you know, you tear your achilles at thirty two
years old, you tapped, and it was unfortunate because like
nobody wanted to touch him after that, you know. Obviously
that forced him into being an exec being a part
of the Toronto Raptors, and then also going and joining
the New York Knicks later on down the line. But
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how good was Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He wanted the people that this show was made for,
like he got to get his respect. One of the
best to have her do it at his size, like
an all time great finishing, you know, see like you
see him getting into the lane among the trees and
Orland Derby finished just with the right or whatever. And
like I said, taking these big guys on in a
physical area where they was trying to take your head
off when you got in the lane, Like there wasn't
(10:08):
no flagrance getting getting you kicked out of the out
of the game out here, it was, oh that's a
that's a regular file. Take it out on the side.
So he was no fear type of guard, and his
handles were unmatched. Like if he was playing in today's area,
he'll be up there with the Kyrie Stephs, those guys
who elite ball.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Handless, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And getting into Joe Dumars now, like he could be
on this list too. It's kind of a bigger he's
right on the borderline of being concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And he did a great job on Michael Jordan when
during those Jordan Rules era years I think that that
was their whole identity, that backward between Isaiah and Joe
and how really good they were. I mean respect to Isaiah,
you know what I mean. I hate that, you know,
he was left off the Dream Team and most people
put that as a black cloud over the everything that
he's done, and he was really, really, really good. And
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Joe Dumars obviously had that jump shot that you know
that most people talk about, you know, his success.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Those two two like a smaller backcourt. That's another product
the great team building, right, you got the two smaller
backcourt with a team and the rest of the team
and the rest of the start of five a big
physical defenders and bigs who protect those guys for real.
So I mean you got those that smaller backcourt. You
got John Stockton and Jeff Corndersack another borderline smaller backcourt
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in the nineties who were some of the best teams
really of all time.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Absolutely, Tim Hardaware, Tim Bug another guard out of Chicago,
dynamic point guard that started in Golden State and also
played in Miami, known for this killer crossover. Average nineteen
point four points and nine assists per game. Five All
Star appearances and five All NBA selections. Tim bug is
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like one of the ones, another guard that never won
the title, but very good and very loved, you know
what I mean, Like he was he was really competitive.
He made those Nicks first heat matchups really fun. He
really brought his a game when he had to, you
know what I mean, Like they made the point guard
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like position really fun. You know what I mean when
you really think about ay, they're not just passing and
being floor generals, like they're scoring and they're leading their
team in scoring and really tearing their team up. And
he also had signature shoes with Nike and things of
that nature that really helped him be marketed and advertise
the way that he was supposed to be. But how
good was Tim Hardaway.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He one of those ones who brought the electricity to
the to the floor, like you wanted to watch him play.
Obviously with the killer crossover, he could he can handle it.
He could shoot, pass, I mean he wanted. He ain't
had no weakness offensively as a guard and strong enough
to play through physicality when he got into pain. So
he one of those like just going on with spark
(12:56):
plugs on the on the floor who could put up
high numbers.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
He can get you ten assists if you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And he kind of moved around on different teams here
and there too, so that kind of affects what team
you look at him, like, who was he tied to
when you talk about his legacy and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, I mean when you think about getting Miami, getting
free agents to Miami, it was because of Tim Hardaway.
He brought them to relevance, you know what I mean
before they even got the you know, all the other
players and eventually won titles with d Wade and them
in the future. But there's there's no sexiness about the
heat without you know, Tim Hardaway. Before Lebron, there was
another guard, Mark Price, and that's six feet Mark Price
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was one of them, dudes. Man sharpshooter average fifteen points
per game and six point eight assists in the nineties,
thirty nine percent from the three He made three All
Star teams in that decade. It was a key part
in the Cavs playoff runs. Obviously they had to play
against Michael Jordans so and get a chance to reach
the highest peak in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But you can say that about a lot of people. Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Mike shut it down. But his claim is his free
throw shooting ninety point four percent ranks third all time
in the NBA history. You talk about Stockton and Mark Price,
they're also they're often compared, not just because they're short,
white guys, but they really were tough guards man, and
they can fill it up and get it going whenever.
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Mark was the better shooter, and you know those classic
matchups for bulls versus calves. Man, like he was a
thorn in aside as a little kid watching him hoop.
But I can appreciate him now as an adult.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always love him like one of those just skilled
could shoot it. And it's funny now like I look
at my doing my career and I see all the
three point lists and the free throw shooting list that
I'm trying to be a part of, like all time
three point percentages, and I see his name everywhere, like
he's just a pure shooter, knockdown from all all areas
on the floor, like one of those fifty forty ninety guys,
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like you said in the Around, really in Around with
Steph KD Kyrie, just Steve Nash's ultimate shooters. Like so
I gain he's criminally underrated in my opinion, man, Like
he got to be talked about more.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I think it's really cool that you acknowledge that too,
to you know, I mean most people wouldn't hear it
like that. He is one of the players that did
it before you and also a great place in your
career of where you want to be sitting at, like
the type of table that you want to be respectful
to and get to. And Mark Price is one of
(15:28):
those players that have earned it, and you know when
people bring up his name, people respect him.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, Like he was a model of efficiency before efficiency
was talked about. Yeah, and that's just because he could
really shoot it. Like, I'm sure he wasn't out there
thinking about affective field goal percentage and wor none of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He was. He was just hooping like everybody did back then.
But he made a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, when we come back from break, STEP's gonna tell
his great story about Kevin Johnson KJJ. How cold is
(16:18):
kJ kJ is actually one of my favorite cards. Man.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I gotta I'm like scarred when I talk about Kevin Johnson,
And I'm gona tell you why. I got a quick
quick story. I was my dad was like in the nineties.
I'm probably four or five six something like that. My
dad's playing in Charlotte. I think kJ was playing for
the Sons maybe, And so it's like a weekday and
we're not allowed to go to the games during the week.
(16:41):
We got schooled the next day. So we're watching the
Hornets game put versus Sons at home and next thing
you know, my dad gets popped in the nose, nose bleeding,
he breaks his nose. So basically, Kevin Johnson done some
shoot to the something and comes down elbows my pops
in the nose, breaks his nose, my mom panicking, I'm crying,
(17:04):
like my mom is leaving for going on and check
on my dad at the hospital. All that get his
nose fixed. But I mean, I'm a forever scarred, and
Kevin Johnson is the dude who broke my dad's nose
when I was a little kid and made me cry
in the living room.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So, dang man, Kevin Johnson a boogie man. That's a
great story, man. I think that's the I think that's
the different viewpoint when you really look at it from
a very close perspective. Right, your dad's in the NBA
your kid. You're watching the game, you see your dad bleed,
so for one show on his humanside, and then secondly
(17:38):
you got to watch the guy. Did he do it
on purpose or he didn't? Right, Yeah, that's another viewpoint
that you're looking at it like you're.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, like a lot of people in my family, like
I told the Reg Miller story earlier, like he was
a little nasty. You see the guys my pops competed with,
and a lot of people in my family don't like him,
like Kevin Johnson another one of those people.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
They think they think he did it on purpose. Oh man,
that nasty wha.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Man. We're gonna we're gonna talk a little positive about
him on this one. So you know, he was eighteen
point three points per game, eight point nine as sists
per game in nineties with a twenty one point zero
player efficiency rate. We just talked about efficiency and he
led the Sun to ninety three finals and earned three
All Star nods. He also has that nasty dunk on
the Lojawan just you know, stained in my brain. One
(18:25):
of the best plays is because I just liked small
guards dunking on big man. So that was one of
those things. But Yeah, he's the type of player to
give players fits and also is known as the villain
now on this pod.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now a big time scorer though, Yeah, you look back
on his career, he would be I mean, he would
be one of those in today's league.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I mean, I don't want to say he couldn't be
a starter, but he like the perfect six man off
the bench, Jordan Clarkson type, coming in just average eighteen
to twenty off the bench. For you, it's like six
to one, like you said, having hops like that, could
shoot it from all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
He was cold man.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, let's go all the way to the midwest. Milwaukee,
Wisconsin Representative Terry Porter. Terry Porter was a key piece
for the Portland Trail Blazers, averaging fifteen point two points
per game and six point seven iss ist per game.
In the nineties. He led the Blazers to nineteen ninety
two finals, earning two All Star appearances, and then also
during his peak of nineteen ninety ninety ninety three, he
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had an efficient shooting split of forty seven point two,
forty point two and eighty five point six. So playing
alongside Clyde Drexler, Cliff Robinson, you know what I mean.
And other players that were on that team, Jerome Cursey
rest in peace. You know. Terry Porter was one of
those guards that you've seen that you know, was super effective, solid,
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did what he had to do. I got a chance
to watch him when I was a kid, but then
also watching him become a coach in Phoenix and you know,
seeing him go around. He had that infamous leather knee
brace that was a that was a different look. I
don't know if it nasty, if it helped on the performance,
but yeah, man, Terry Porter was one of them dudes.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I learned about Terry Porter when I want to when
I went and signed with the Blazers, like in twenty nineteen.
I went out there, so I'm on the phone with
the equipment guy, like, you know, I'm signing with the
signing one number.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You one?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You gotta ask me that. I'm like, you know, I
want thirty, Like you can't have it? Like why just retired?
Who out there is I know Rashid who I'm Rashid player?
Who Who's them at thirty in Portland? Terry Porter? So
I had to do my research. He was a bucket.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He was cold.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, go get that thirty one move off my way.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Me has it?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I couldn't get it. Nah. Yeah, Terry Porter, bigger guard
like six three, but like size. You know what I'm saying,
strong guard who could score the ball.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I promise I didn't do this on purpose.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
The next person I'm actually wearing his shirt, Man, Kenny Anderson. Man,
you know what I'm saying. Kenny Anderson, point guard for
the Nets and Celtics point guard the average fifteen point
eight points per game, seven point four assists per game.
In the nineties. He made one All Star team, but
his game is it's talked about still to this day.
(21:16):
When you think about certain players. You got the Brandon Jennings,
you got the Toad Peedifirst, you got the Malik Monks
of the world. Different guards. That was very shifty. One
of the most popular guards out of New York. You
know what I mean. He actually if Nio existed, Kenny
Kenny Anderson have all that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like New York's finals, Like this.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is a park shirt, Like you got to think about
this a park shirt and people they recreated it. That's
how crazy Kenny's buzz was in the city.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Went to Georgia Tech did his thing, but just just
really you know, outside of making that All Star appearance
with Derrick Coleman with the new Jersey nets, Kenny Anderson
is one of those dudes that really put on man
and one of my favorite point guards of the nineties.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
He was stopper.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
He one of those you could tell where he learned
who like outside in the park just getting up and
down handle flashy could finish.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He's his only downfall. He couldn't really shoot the ball
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So if he had a high level jump shot, he
would be one of the best to be ever talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like he can pass. True point guard type type of guy.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
This guy right here, man, this is my one of
my guys. We gotta get him on the show. Nick
van Ashen my favorite Laker of all time. Most people
say Kobe, most people say Shack, most people say Eddie Jones.
Nick vanax is my guy, bro. He had me getting
the slashes in the eyebrow. He was lefty. He used
to do like the you know, like the bounce. He
(22:43):
used to do this. Yeah, really has swag out there, bro.
And then when he got traded from the Lakers, he
just his whole swag was there. His Dallas like you
know what I mean, his Dallas Maverick years, Warriors years,
like he worked thirty seven with Golden State.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He had a good old head run like when he
got older and he lost a step.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Two races in high socks with the headband swag.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He held on. He was a bucket man. He could
hoop like Lefty. I always say lefties look better everything
they do look better when you were Lefty, And that's
the case with him, Like Flashy kind of he just
more a little bit more polished than Kenny Anderson, like
just more fundamentals and sound, but kind of younger, younger guard,
(23:31):
kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Obviously, he could shoot a little better.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Like in the nineties he averaged fifteen point two points
per game, seven point three assists per game, and he
shot thirty six from the three. And you know, like
Nick the Quick was really like that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, that's high quality, right.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
High quality, high quality. This next dude, man, he I
feel like outside of your dad, bro. If he don't exist,
I don't know if this game, y'all type of play
wouldn't be in factor. Chris Jackson aka Mark Mood, I'll
do rauf like Chris Jackson is so code. Shaq was
(24:06):
the second option.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, like he like the first light skinn assassin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like really think about that, Like Shaq was second option
in college to him here thirty five points per game
in college.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Shooting with the range like he was one just taking
unnecessary shots from deep, like stretching the stretching the limits
of where his range is at, like coming up the
floor dancing with it, like you had to guard as
soon as he crossed half court. One of those guys,
what like what his career could have been if he
ain't faced some of the stuff he did.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean sixteen points per game, three point eight
assists per game, forty four from the field, and his
shots were very tough, you know what I mean. You
watch his documentary and you watched them his highlights. You like, man,
you taking some tough ones, dog and played but the
rim two at six to one. So he was really
like that. You know, he dealt with turetts and that
was another challenge. And then obviously he had al sands
(25:00):
that you know, may have may not got him out
the league early, but at the end of the day,
like man, he's one of the goats to be mentioned
in this point guard discussion under six four man. He
was really like that for real.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that's what out of question.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I know this one is this. This player is a
special player to you. Muggsy bogues Man five to three,
one of the best defenders this game of scene. Definitely speed.
You know, it's the infamous picture of Michael Jordan posting
him up, you know what I mean, and most people like,
what is he supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
He averaged an eight eight point five points per game,
eight point eight assists per game, one point six steals
per game. He was a fan favorite and a defensive pest,
helping the Hornets become a playoff team in the mid
nineties with Zoe Larry Johnson and Dale Curry.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, Muggs is one of my favorite five to three
legit five to three and played fourteen years in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Like, I can't explain how that's done. To be honest,
he was.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
He was unreal, like people scared to pick to dribble
the ball around him picking up ninety four feet like
you're looking around. The old the old famous tale is
if you don't see Muggs pick the ball up because
he's somewhere behind you about to steal it. The ultimate
point guard running the team, getting got at the ball
in their positions, could score quick, all that type of stuff.
So mugs playing, like I said, playing fourteen years in
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the NBA at five to three is a story that
needs to be told more and really one of those
inspirational stories that he the reason a lot of people
played in college got to the NBA, Like you can
really do anything you want with the right skill level
of the right work ethic.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Muggs. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And on top of that, you gotta give him credit
for help him, Like he taught us the game. We'll
be over at his house a lot as youngsters and
he'd be on the backyard playing one on one with us,
Like me and Steph were tall than him at like
ten years old, which is crazy, But.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He taught us the game. Ta taught me a lot
of different tricks. He was one. He taught me how
to like steal the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I never forget, Like I'm at his house playing one
on one with him and his son blactually playing twenty
one if y'all know what that game is. He taught
me how to, like little trigger, how to steal the
ball from from behind, like because before I used to
always like let a guy go by me and reach
over the top behind him to try to steal the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Right, He's like, nah, nah, young fella.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
When he go by, you tap him on the lefl
and then just underhand tap the ball out from behind,
tapping the front when of your teammates get it, you
running out and you got an easy lay up. So
he had all those type of tricks in the trade.
And that's one of the reasons you could play so
long at that size.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I watched his high school doc two of like how
good he was on offense. Now, obviously you get to
the NBA, you have to go into your role and
you got to sacrifice your game. But when you see
mugs like again, y'all was almost taller than him at ten.
So the idea not only are you feeling motivated that
you can make the NBA, because you're kind of like
not even like, oh he's this height and he can
(27:55):
you know, I feel I can can play. But it's
just like you also see him the night and night
and basis being big players six four six three six feet,
you know, and he's there like to a point where
you can't even leave the ball around, you know what
I mean. And that's to his advantage. And obviously I'm
glad that he got a chance to be in Space
GM too, because they grew his brand a little bit
(28:17):
more on the popular side, because you know, he was
really like that man. And I never met Muggsy in person,
but like you know, he definitely was an inspiration because
I used to read his stats on the back of
his card and I was like five three, so I went,
I would be measuring myself. I'm like, man, I can
make it to the NBA or like, you know what
(28:38):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But it just showed a lot like yeah, we talked
about him and spoiled web to the both of those
guys is like you watch the game up.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Why don't they just post them up? Oh you can't
do it? No, they strong as him, They strong as hell.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
They they try, You try it once or twice, and
then they go away from it because you know that's
not the formula.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
He not in his era, but Earl Boykins was like that.
Earl Boykins five five and a bench press four hundred pounds,
super strong. You're not getting to your spot.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
If you want to scoring them, you got to shoot
a tough fade away from mid range and then you
ain't getting all way to the rim.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I love those type of archetypes. Man, we don't get
them no more. We had the Drew Lavenders, the Isaiah Thomas,
a few other guys, but it's not too many even I.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You see how small Isaiah Thomas, the second Isaiah Thomas.
You see how small he is out on the floor
at five to nine muggets. That's six inches tall than mugs.
Yeah sane, Yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
For real when you really think about that, and he
looks little so mugs in today's game, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't again, I don't have no I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I don't have no sympathy, man, I don't have no
sympathy for a player that can't defend. And I just
don't like averaging eight and eight in that era that's
supposed to be physical and tough.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The last player we want to talk about, man, special
person to my heart got me into basketball, ironically, Terrell Brandon, Portland, Organson.
I got a chance to go to his basketball camp
when I was ten. I got sent to Portland because
I was being bad and my uncle was like, Yo,
your cousin Bruce, he's going to this basketball camp you're
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going to. I really didn't care about the NBA like that.
I wasn't really tripping. Terrell was doing this free basketball camp,
you know what I mean, in Portland and Northeast Portland.
And I pulled up, got some free shoes, got a
T shirt, and I really had the time of my
life man, and I got a chance to meet TV.
TV also had a barbershop right there on Alberta, which
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was pretty cool, and he had a limos.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Every NBA player in the nineties had a barbershop.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think that was probably the hand
all of the restaurant. But him being from Portland, man,
and just baking it. And then also I still was short,
but like him being five to eleven, he just looked
like just normal to me, you know what I mean, Like, Yo,
you out here playing like you know what I mean,
like just one of the coolest things.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He had swag too. Man, he had the middle park
and you know, just was really rapping high you rep man.
But yeah, TV two time All Star. I remember they
had this one article. Man, it's him in the Cleveland CAF,
Jersey best point guard in the NBA, the light Blue
Junk Yeah, Hard Hard.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I'm like, ooh, he the.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Best, like and I know him, so it was like
one of the cool things of like, you know, I
sound got his number, but I'm like, I met this dude, bro,
Like he ain't Jordan, but he the best at his position,
so I gotta be hyped about it. He averaged fourteen
point two points per game, five point eight per assists
per game, one point seven steals per game, and shot
forty six from the field. His impact all around helped
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the cast reach the playoffs, Man, and he earned ty
praise from his peers. Man, it's one of the most
underrated guards of that decade. Man, And you know he
was great and Soda with KG. I think he helped
k get to that next level, Man, to get to
the play where he was supposed to be. Man, I
really love TV.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, he was solid.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just had a shorter run of being like one of
the best point guards in the league, but just solid
all the way around.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
For I mean, it's a good career. I can't really
add much to what you just added. It's a good story.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, Man, love TV. Man must respect to TV man
Pete Town. All right, man, we're gonna take another break,
but when we come back, we're gonna give our goat
top five.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, Trey, another week, another top five. Last week
I had a good five. But let's keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
You mean go first?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, please do? All right?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
My top five goat small guards of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Number five, and you knew he was making my list.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Muggsy Bogus like just the story, the skill playing fourteen years,
number five, Muggsy Bogues, number four, Kevin Johnson a bucket,
number three, my god Mark Price, just efficiency. That's like
his middle name is fifty forty ninety. Number two John
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Stockton and my number one best guard in the nineteen nineties,
Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Okay, alright, I like it. I like it man, So
I'm gonna start off at number five. Got my dog TV.
He got me into the hoops, so gotta put TV
on there. To real Brandon at four. Got my colleague
Rod Strickland, half a Rod on there at four. You
know what I mean. He is one of the only
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guys to never make an All Star but have All
Star numbers. Number three Mike moved out. Duro just too
cold to leave off my list. Number two Stockton one
of the goats, literally and out of this list. You know,
I gotta be Isaiah Thomas Man. We mutually agreed on
that one, you know, man, Lord Zeke Man, he's one
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of one of the ones man out of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, the top two got to be unanimous. But after that,
your your listen a little nuts. You gotta you got
a lot of a lot of like you got some
memories with those three, Yeah, that's what you were with.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I can't those three.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's a personal list, man.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, which it's cool, but there ain't a lot of
all stars in those three. All right.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Our favorite segment of the pod Born in the Wrong Era.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Mike move out. I think that's the easiest choice. I
think he would cook. He would cook with high grease
in this era. Like whether it's the long ball, whether
it's just getting to his shot, somebody just like giving
him to go ahead. He can get going at any time.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And I think whether he got a good or bad team,
he gonna he gonna lead. He gonna leave the league
top five and scoring for show.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I feel you.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I feel like he made for this era for sure,
I like that one. Like mine, I'm going with Tim
Hardaway kill a crossover crazy handle. He could shoot it
good enough, and like I feel like in today's era,
with today's space and the less physicality and the rules
and the way the game played, like he would be
nice just playing with that freedom, like using that handle,
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even more playing without two bigs in the lane, Like,
I feel like he would be a great spark plug
on any team. Like I said, just without the physicality,
he could really get in his bag and show. He
probably add a couple more dribbles to the to the repertoire.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, I mean, I ain't mad it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Tim Hardaway was definitely one of them type of players
that just can really get after it, man like scoring
and yeah, I mean he he would definitely be cracking
and he'd be talking a lot of trash. You got he,
I know you have a lot. He'd lead a lot
of lead league in a lot of texts.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In fact, you can do it back then, you can
get away with it. You can't today's era.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Trying to send some Tim Hardaway right now would probably
be crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's happen.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I don't know if I'm with it, man, and then
I don't know how I mean I mentioned my move.
I mean at the end of the day, like from
a political stance, maybe he gets away with it, you
know what I mean, he gets the social support. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Nah, that's a good point too. Yeah he would. No,
he would definitely would.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I mean, like I think everybody would probably be more
understanding and kind of shame like put a little pressure
on the NBA to kind of you know, he.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Takes some I mean obviously Twitter, he would take some
heat from certain people like everybody do. But it wouldn't
be one of those things where it's hurting the image
of the league or yeah they want him out of there.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
No, I think some brands would get behind him and
he would have some proper campaigning that wouldn't affected him. Man,
he probably would be playing a little bit longer if
his body could withstand everything.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It might make him more popular, to be honest, might
might have helped him.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's a whole nother tap market, you know what I mean.
We don't have too many players doing that, bro, Because
you gotta live. You gotta live. You got to walk
that whole straight line and he did it. He did
it to a point where he ain't you know, he
ain't trying to fix it that and nothing. He's just like,
all right, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, I'm standing on it.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So respect to him. Man, there's not too many players
that's doing that, man. But uh yeah, man, it's been
a great episode obviously. I really love this topic, man,
because we just had some personal memories and relatability as
far as hip and play. And you know, it's some
real hitters on that list, man.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Honestly, they've got we gotta circle this one back with
a with a guest.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
On it. This might be a part three like part
two part three, because you know, we this this is
one where you you know, you bring these type of
players up and you come back to these and you
look at it and you say, dang, like, how'd you fare?
What do you think about this guy? Because I mean,
now that's a different conversation. You you get a chance
to talk about them and go on about that. So
(37:56):
I would love to hear that for sure. You know, man,
we gotta we gotta come to an end, man, and
get ready for the next one. Any closing thoughts, man,
before before we send them.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Off another good topic, another good week. Just tap in
with us on the socials. Let us know who we're forgetting.
Who you rocking away to the small guards in the nineties.
Uh find me at s dot Curry.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Where are you at Trey, at Trey and at trevaughn
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game the right way and respect the legends. But as
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Doc Curry and Trey, we are out go go. This
has been a Unnamous Media original. Goat was produced by
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iHeart Podcasts and Unanimous Media. It was hosted by Me,
Travon Edwards, and step Kirk. Executive produced by Stephen Curry
and Eric Katon. Co executive producer Klenna Maria Cutney. The
executive producers at iHeart Podcasts are Sean Titone and Jason English.
This series was produced by Derek Jennings and Peter Kutcher.
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Co producer Kurt Redden, original music by Jesse Woodard, Special
thanks to Stephen Curry and Will Pearson. Goat is a
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