Greatest PG's of the 2000's

Every team needs a floor general — a player who thinks like a coach on the court and runs the offense. Someone who not only knows their role, but the role of every position on the floor, and holds everyone accountable on both sides of the court. This player must handle the ball well, have excellent court vision, and high situational awareness. Usually, an effective team finds that in the form of a Point Guard. In today’s episode, we’re going to unpack the “Point Gods” of the 2000’s to determine who brought the rock up the court best...

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fun fact. Andre Miller is a great roller skater. He
literally goes, he goes looking for skating rinks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That's his thing, literally skating rinks. He said he knows
like all the NBA moms and everything because like he
when he's in cities he goes and hits up the
skating rinks and does all that.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
So shoutston d going the NBA moms is crazy. I mean,
at this point forty something we're doing. But yeah, everybody
know Dre Miller Man for.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Shure, he was going on, everybody is Seth Curry.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Here another episode of Goat g Ote greatest up there
era here with my guy Trevn Edwards.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
What's going on? Tree?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
What's going on? Man? I'm hyped about this episode. I
can't lie.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I think he's got a good one here. This
one one of my favorite eras of basketball for sure.
We're gonna talk about the two thousand point guards Gay
era hoops right here, got all different types of point guards.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hey, in the word to Jay z Man, who's the best,
who's the best of them? Ceeds? We talking about who's
the best PGS CP three D, will Tony Parker or Rondo.
I mean in the list goes on, it's so many
killers in this era.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, so many bring up and this is really had
to have matchups.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
This is the era when you really have pgs guarding
pgs primetime matchups. And it was on the floor they
were settling out who's the best. So let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So let's take a trip down memory lane to two thousands.
It's the exciting decade for the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
We had to a one mixtape going on, and you know,
we had the NBA doing the street ball and things
of that nature. But also we had the Shaq and
Kobe dynasty. We had the rise of Tim Duncan and
the Spurs, the Upset, the Great Upset, the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons. I wish Betton was around back then.
Well it was Beton, but you know, I wish it
was going on, the prize picks and all those other things.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
So I could have been a part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Because that way you say, you called that one, I
did not call that one, but I was.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I was a Lakers hater.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So you was gonna lie to us on.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, no, no, no, we're telling the truth on this show.
But I'm saying I was a Laker hater, so by
default I would have won some money.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Then we got the you know, the Lebron James era
in two thousand and three, which kicked off his long career.
And then we had the Miami Heat, the emergency of
Dwayne Wade and a older Shack, and we had the
Big Three, the creation of the Big Three in Boston,
Kobe Bryant, uh and Powell got so, you know, starting
their thing. And then we got the intro to Kevin

(02:36):
Durant and then the changing of the guard, right Michael
Jordan says goodbye, And then we get the new versions
of guards. Your guy comes in t MAC and the
rest of those two thousand scoring guards, and then the
rise of the international players to cap it off.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
When you run it through the eras you're talking about
these different teams, it was every team had a different
style of point guard, and you had I feel like
it was the era of shooting guards and bigs more
than point guards. But a couple of those teams you
brought up had finals MVPs that were the point guard,
so they definitely played their part.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, man, so I think it was just a
jump right into it. Man.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
What's your favorite part about the point guards of this era.
I think for me this is more the point guards
of the two thousands, kind of the transition era to
where we are now with point guards, where it was
a good mix of your pure past first point guards
and a good and in the mix of the score
first point guards, you kind of you kind of had to.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Have a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
It wasn't one or the other, because I feel like
in the past, before this era, it was kind of tabboo.
To be a score first point guard, you had to
get your teammates involved, share the ball. I think a
great example of adds Chris Paul and Darren Williams, who
did a little bit of both. They were orchestrating the offense,
running the team. I think I would have considered I mean,
I definitely consider Chris Paul passed first, but Darren was

(03:56):
at the same time. But a lot of times the
fans that coaches that the teams would urging them to
score a little bit more and find that balance of
being a pass versus as far as a point guard
running the team.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, it was a little bit more role reversal.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right, in the nineties, you had the guys that were
in the offense, but then they had some guys that
filled it up to They scored some points and things
of that nature, but it wasn't as sexy. The two
thousands was more of a freedom, right you're going out there,
you know, being creative, scoring the ball. You don't have
to you know, make entry passes to Biggs. The game
is changing, you know what I mean. The power forward

(04:31):
is the year of the power forward as well. So
a lot of point guards were able to you know,
they're dunking on people, they're doing them. You know, they're
more expression. It was more expression era, I mean, I
think that's the freedom of what the game was transitioning to.
And then now in the current era of what you
talked about is that the past versut guys are usually.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
The back of point guard.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
They're keeping the flow, they're making sure that they don't
lose the lead, you know what I mean. Like they'll
hit a three every once in a while and they
kick back or something like that, but they're not being
as aggressive.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's very it's very.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Rare that you have a two guys that both fill
them up you know what I mean. You got to
have somebody to kind of control the pace while your.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Guy gets a breather.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
So seth as a undersized combo guard, like when your
career was starting up and you just knew like, hey,
I'm just I'm not growing anymore. I'm choosing a score
I'm gonna keep this style of play like when when?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
When? When did that happen for you?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
It was a battle I faced within myself, and I
had different coaches telling me different things. I had the
NBA scouts telling me I had to work work on
your poor guard skills, work on your hand or work
on your passing. You're not gonna be able to play
in the NBA six to two being a score first guy.
I mean being in high school and college in the
two mid of the two thousands or late two thousands,
I should say, it was kind of represented that struggle

(05:49):
of what you wanted in a guard for me, Like
I remember not getting drafted, going to the to the
G League at the time. It wasn't even it was
it wasn't the G League at the time. Was the
D League at the time, And I really went out
there played forty minutes of point guard worrying about it
if I was shooting too much, trying to play the
pick and roll, trying to, like I say, get my
teammates involved, learn how to be a point guard. But

(06:11):
I eventually settled on and something my dad was telling
me all along, would just be yourself. Eventually settled on
being a score first guard. I feel like I was
always a guy who could play the point guard. But
when I'm on the floor, I'm thinking score. They can
knock down shots, score the ball, and if got two
on me, then I'm gonna make the simple pass. But
I think it's like I said, it was taboo back
then to be an undersized guy and not be a

(06:33):
pass first point guard. But I think guys like I
want to say Steph and other I mean, obviously James Harden,
Gilbert Areenis those score first point guards are small. Even
smaller guys just made them more comfortable, allow me to
find a role in the league.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I remember showing up on campus and my first time
playing point right. Yeah, And I played for an analytical
college coach, so he was just kind of like, oh,
you don't shoot forty, you don't shoot you know, thirty
five and above, So like I don't want you to shoot.
He literally told me that I don't want you to shoot.
You run the offense, you do what I tell You're
gonna play minutes. If not, you're gonna sit next to me.

(07:14):
And I took it too literal, so it got to
a point where I wasn't even looking at the rim.
But my assist turnover ratio was like nine to one,
you know what I mean. So, but it hurt me
in the growth of my professional career because I didn't
know how to be selfish anymore, you know what I mean. So,
like you said in that limbo of you were in
the complete opposite, like damn, am I shooting too much?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I'm not shooting enough? And people are like, shoot the ball.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know what I mean, Like why are you working
on a thousand shots and you're not shooting the game?
So it was very confusing to me because I used
to just think, like, this is going to be transferable
to the league or wherever I was going to play.
And meanwhile, you know overseas you gotta shoot the ball,
especially being American. It's over like they don't want none
of that. Are you going home? And it was a
few times where I just had to get greedy or

(08:01):
I was gonna get sent home.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So it was definitely a reality check.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But watching it now and just seeing and we're going
to talk about Born in the Wrong Era a little later,
but certain things I just looked at, like, man, maybe
I would have been if I would have came out
like the mid nineties, I would have probably been a
decent guard.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I don't know if you agree, But a lot of
these point guards Chris Pallas had, Darren Williams, Sam Cousell,
the Mike Babies, wrong, whoever we bring up later in
the show as we go down the list and talk
about them, I feel like they suppressed some of their offense,
that's scoring to be that pass first point guard. Like
if they play later and they wanted to be scored,
they could average I don't know, twenty plus a lot

(08:40):
of them. Yeah, Like this is some of the best
best scorers they had. And even in college and they
got to the league, they had, like I said, they
had to spread their wealth, get guys the ball. They
have vets telling them I need a ball on my spots,
and like I said, that's the push pool of finding
your way in the league.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Absolutely, So when we're talking before we even name these players,
we're talking about criteria. What is the criteria of a
scoring guard For the people that's.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Listening, that's what you gotta.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
You gotta have handle to get to your spots, to
be able to get your shot off and have some creativity,
I mean, the scoring gud. You're gonna be guarded by
guys taller, longer than you, so you gotta be able
to have that footwork that that that creativity and was
just skilled to get to a bucket. You gotta be
able to shoot the ball at some point, like if
you can score, you gotta, you gotta. In the two
thousands of the three was coming more get more popular,

(09:29):
so you got to have the three ball.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
But a lot of these guys.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Worked in the mid range and and got to the
got to their spots, and some of them will even
post post up point guards. You know, that's that's never
seen in today's NBA. But a lot of these guys
ran to the post, walk their man down, and scored
on the block sometimes too.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
So there was a lot of versatility in the way
God scored back in that day.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I feel the criteria for a pass, first point guard
as the second coach on the floor, take care of
the ball. Runs the offense you know, isn't going to
do too much, you know what I mean. Make sure
that everybody's eating out there. You feed the big speed,
the wings that's running hard, just doing the right things

(10:08):
of whatever it's supposed to do to get the you know,
to get the win. And then shoot the ball when
you're when you know, when you're open, you know what
I mean, You're not You're not just out there gunning.
But there is a different balance where you have to
shoot because you're that open because of how you defend it.
So there is some scoring involved. So like it's it's
not like you're not scoring at all, but your your

(10:30):
role is to get the ball to better scorers.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
And you got to be able to fill the game. Yes,
you gotta know you control the tempo.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, control the tempo. If it's getting too fast for
your team, slow it down. If you need to push
to pay some more, push it, force the issue some more.
And the thing I like about a guy like Chris
Paul who throughout the game, most of his career, throughout
the game, he was feeling it out trying to get
to that tennis sist Mark racking up the stats, but
when it got nut crunching time and got real in

(10:58):
the fourth quarter, in the clutch, he was going, Yeah,
he had a ball in his hands, he was getting
to his spots, and he kind of transitions into who
he was from past versus I'm trying to score the ball,
get to a bucket, and finish the game with the
ball in my hands. So, like I said, you got
to have that feel for the game and know what
your team needs at different times.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Absolutely, So let's just let's let's go on to these
key players. So Jason Kings and Jason Kidd's like one
of my.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Goats, man like six', four speedy, rebound didn't care to
like shoot the ball that.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Much obviously developed a three later on in his, career
but just known for the triple double in the current
era outside of you, know we Treated Oscar robertson.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like a myth right because we weren't. Live we didn't
get to see.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It he averaged a triple, double and the only PERSON
i really thought could do it at the time Before
Russell westbrook did it Was Jason kidd And. LEBRON i was,
Like lebron's gonna be the person to do it because he,
selfish he, big he can get the. Rebound But Jason
kidd was, fast you, know he looked he threw the best,
life you know WHAT i. Mean sometimes he could score on.

(12:03):
You and this is the thing about just more so.
Aggressiveness you Mentioned Darren. WILLIAMS i feel Like Darren williams
took a bit of his game From Jason, kidd but
then also put a twist on his own game and
kind of came up that. Way but what's your thoughts
On Jason kidd as a.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Player, yeah he was the point guard who had the
side so he could see over the. Defense he can
make he can make any pass on the. Floor but
he brought that. Flair like you, said he was getting
out when he was. Younger he was getting out and
tran and throwing the. Lives when he was playing With Richard,
Jefferson Vince, carter that was something they had a highlight every,
night it seemed. Like and he's a one of the

(12:38):
HIGHEST iq guys on the. List he was my coach
for a little bit In, dallas and you could just
tell he's a basketball. Savant he sometimes he as a,
coach he was talking over guyshusin as far as that's
how much he knows the. Game he was, like you
see him go back into that player. Mode IF i
was in the game when he's breaking down, film IF
i was in the, game this was. Me i'll be doing, this,

(12:58):
that and the. Other sometimes you don't have the guys
with that skill set on your team to be able
to do. It so you're definitely being around you learn
a lot from and you can see why he has
the mental and why he was one of the greatest
to ever do.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It in your career so, far you've played for a
few coaches that also played point. Guard if you think
that point guards make great, COACHES i.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
DO i do it because you got To you kind
of got to be a, Coach like you were saying
earlier the criteria for a point. Guard you kind of
got to be a coach on the floor doing your playing,
career so it's kind of easier to transition into and
to seeing the game that. Way and also when you're
breaking down film as a, player you got to know
all five. Physicians you got to know the place from
every perspective and that's just natural for. You want you

(13:41):
if you want to go into, coaching that's that's natural for.
You could you be doing your whole. Career we're going to.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Take a quick break here and when we come, back
we're going to talk about The great DEBATE cp three
VERS D WILL I know you are part of The

(14:08):
great Debate Chris paul versus will You know? Two at
that time one and, two literally one and.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Two the younger kids probably won't believe like that this
was a real debate back in the.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Day who was?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Better, yes, Absolutely like if this came, out it would
be talked about every single, day like it is literally
The lebron Versus mellow debate for point. Guards crazy like
at that. Point so which side were you?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
ON i?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
WAS i was always in The Chris paul side really always,
Always and it was primetime every time they massed. Up
it was PRIMETIME, espn the main main. Game and whoever
had the better night that, night whoever was on west,
side it was the D will, fans THE cp, fans
whoever they thought was the.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Best you're gonna hear it the next.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
DAY i told you that's my, guy that's he's better
than so and, so and they had some good, battles
AND i, think, honestly when they went ahead to HEAD
i think D will got the best of them most
of the. Time but throughout the YEAR cep was putting
was always a little bit. More to, me he a
little a little more. FLASHY i think he just did.
More HE i, hated AND i hated seeing D will

(15:20):
that in That utah, offense LIKE i wanted him to
have a little bit more freedom doing his. THING i
feel like if he would have been in the offense
LIKE cp or he didn't have, to you, know play
the Old utah, side pick and, roll walk it up
half court type offense every, night he might have he
might have got the edge a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
MORE i think the thing that's most underrated is they
actually guarded each, other you know WHAT i, Mean like
they guarded each. Other so that's why it was really
kind of a serious, debate like we didn't have no
one getting on and switching and all.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
That they both took pride in this. Situation BUT i have.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
A D will trying to walk him down to the
block every time he had a chance clear out the.
Side i'm trying to take you down to the. Block
i'm big than, You cep pushing the pace.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
On him in and. OUTS i, mean and it was
AND i was always the deal with when you were
when you were a D will.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Guy he's, bigger he can't, see he can't guard, Him
he's he's a he's, bullying and he's. Bullying that's that
was the. Thing BUT cp was always my. Guy it
might be That North carolina BIAS i have for D.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Will was just his.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Swag was there for, me, man and then the like
the aggressive drive and then he did The stetar step
and then he's boom boom and he either dunk or
AND i liked it that he like could. Dunk like
he was just a bigger guard, obviously you know WHAT i.
Mean like he just was just making his presence. Felt
BUT i have a stat.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Here they matched up twenty five, times and the record
is D will, Seventeen Chris paul.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Eight, SEE i knew. IT i KNEW i knew Dee
will had to add.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
And they never. Met they never met in the.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Playoffs, yeah so this was all regular this is all
regular season.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Bump yeah it, was and every one of them was prime.
Time LIKE i, said all eyes on that. MATCHUP i
remember playing with D will my first year In, dallas
and he still he. Was he was getting a little,
older he had some, injuries but he still had that
crazy wiggle like matching up with him and uh and
practice things like.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
That he was the.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Craziest has he crossed over you ever see lawyer to
sleep about pop quick burst step? Back he still had
it When i'm playing with. Him he was probably mid
thirties at that, time dealing with some knee, injuries but
he was a Truth.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah absolute truth. Man shouts a D will one of my.
Faiths you, Know Chris paul obviously still doing. It shouts
To Chris. Paul he just became second all time H.
Instills but, yeah one of the one of THE i,
mean if not one of the, goats for sure he.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Is he the go to this era and when you
can't and when you talk About Chris, paul he honestly
you got to give him a lot of credit for
the batch of guards you've seen TODAY'S. Nba he's had
His Chris paul camp THAT i went to two or
three times WHEN i was in, college AND i feel
like every guard FROM i don't know twenty ten on
went to his camp and he he is not one

(18:06):
of those camp were's just got his name on. It
he's there compete with us every, day playing one on,
one playing five on, Five and once you go to
one of those, camps he kind of takes you under
his wing as a mentor and give you the. GAME
i know he gave myself the game WHEN i was
in college When steph came out his rookie, Year steph
went on, him went on a family trip with him
for about a, week two weeks and worked.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Out with him every.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Day AND i, Know, stephan all those younger, guys younger
guards that came up after, him gave him a lot
of credit for.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Passing on his. Knowledge SO i think that's part of CP's.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Legacy, MAN i think you you being. Biased, Man That Tobacco,
Road North carolina biased right.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
There that's maybe that's the mecca mecca hoops point. Guards for.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Sure we'll have another conversation about. That But, STEVE i don't.
KNOW i, MEAN i THINK i might have loosely said
go too fast Because Steve nash is bad, bro two TIME,
mvp one of the greatest passers we've ever, seen the most,
dynamic you, know WHAT i, mean like what and and
your brother and you attested, to you, know him being

(19:09):
one of your favorite. PLAYERS i, mean, Man nash was. Cold,
bro that was.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Cold and he was another one of my former head.
Coaches but he he Had he's not one of those
guys who had a whole system revolve around him and
his skill. Set LIKE i think he might have been
the first of the era as far as give him
the ball and he gonna make all the decisions out
there on the.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Floor he gonna call the.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Plays he's gonna get the guys to the ball to
the guys where it needs to, go and you don't
really have to look over to the sideline and D'Antoni
at times throughout the game to call call plays for.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Him he was he was orchestrating.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Everything and those two, MVPs although a little, controversial he's
one of those.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Guys, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i mean that, dude that dude was.
TOUGH i don't know if this person's, underrated But Chauncey,
billums mister big. Shot obviously FINALS mvp led The Detroit
pistons on the is that considered an. Upset i'm sure
it's upset because The lakers were considered the favorites at that,
time said he's one of the, elite you, know like

(20:13):
point guards of that. Era you know WHAT i mean
when you really think about, it as far as The
Detroit pistons and what they brought to The Eastern, conference
you know WHAT i. Mean they were going taking trips
to The Eastern conference finals constantly and slowing Up lebron
during those. Times so tell me a little bit About
chauncey right, now who's also the head coach of The
Portland Trail, Blazers Steve national's head.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Coach you see the theme going on, Here, yeah you
seen the. Theme But chauncey just a regular, season steady.
Guy then why are you with the? Numbers but you
knew when the playoffs? Came you knew when the fourth quarter.
Came he put fear in some guy's, hearts BECAUSE i
mean that's where you get the nickname Big shot. From
so one of the main guys in this class of
two thousands point.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Guards, yeah, Absolutely and he had his own shoe too
back in the. Day it's kind of, crazy did He.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
YEAH i missed that. One, yeah he's With. Adidas he
was riding they rolled it. Out he got, one one signature,
shoe one signature. Shoe this one right, here, man he
might be to me one of the greatest international point
GUARDS Tp Tony.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Park he never went left and nobody can stop. Him
never never went, left never in and out right.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Curl you, knew you.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Knew he had three patent plays with the spurs that
got him all to his right hand, down he'll float his.
Layups and he was a six one six foot point guard.
Yep quick but scored all on the paint every. Year
he was in the top, five top ten and points
in the paint as a, guard and that's hard to.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Do he didn't that.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Job John morant realm as far As i'm a, guard
But i'm up there with the bigs and the points
in the paint. Category so one of a con type,
guard and he did it in the international. State was
playing every SUMMER yep fourteen For france out there and
just really a, killer a quiet killer out.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
There you just reminded me THAT i had to shout
Off Steve nash playing With, canada another international guard.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
That most people probably forget that He's.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Canadian you know WHAT i, mean because he's been on
OUR tv screen for so long and been holding it
down In. America so nods to the international point.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Guards you, Know i'm biased right.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Here this is my godfather right, Here this is the
point godfather.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Be D bed was cold bro like boom.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Dizzl he the first PERSON i ever seen come To
domingus and just really do his, Thing like he came
and played Against Kenny bruner Aka Bad santa and just
handled him In jashawn like really was just the Goods
and then going over To, CHARLOTTE i mean To New, orleans,
sorry and then he played a little Bit charlotte, Too

(22:50):
Charlotte Fort charlotte for a little bit. Yep and then
just you know WHAT i, mean just having his career
with The warriors and his effectiveness at The Golden Say,
warriors one of the memorable upset against The Dallas, mavericks
who was a one seed at that. Time do we
Believe WARRIORS bd is he would technically qualify for the
later segment for.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Sure that dude's. Tough you, know big, body shoot the
three dunk on you whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
You, want pass, candle all all the recipe that you
need for a type of point guard that you, need flair,
style all that.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Stuff one of my FAVORITE la.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Guards, yeah he seemed like one of.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Those and one he watched a lot of an one
mixtape just handles crazy athletics can be in.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Physical, yeah so sure Bet iddy was be It idy
Was MUSTY. Tv.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
YEAH i MEAN i just couldn't have imagined night, in night,
Out like we've been going through some. Names if you
were a point guard during this time and you Had
Steve nash one, Night Chauncey billis the next, Night Tony
parker the next, Night Baron davis the next like you
really get you really was earning your. Check it's no night.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Off SO i felt you had.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
To you had to show up.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Everything you don't have to do it on the offensive.
End you got to show.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Up you got to show every and the and the
crazy thing about this everyone has a different style of.
Play it wasn't like they were all, yes three point,
shooters all Pick it was pick and, roll picking. Roll
some of them took you to the, block some of
you had a guard one on one in the. Io
some were just pushing the, pace getting getting their teammates,
involved trying to get ten twelve sis the.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Night it was all something, Different so you had to
show up.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Just, overall, man we got to get bead on the
show bed definitely can he gonna break some news on,
here SO i know he got some funny stories about.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
HEIGHT i still love the.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Conversation the one story when he said he uh got
a chance to play Against Michael jordan and he said
he was so close he was smelling his.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Cologne he just wanted to know what he was. Wearing
and he's just, like, dude this Is Michael, Jordan like
you know WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Mean but, yeah, BD bd is a character, man one
of one of the one of the best to do.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
It taking a quick.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Break when we, RETURNED i got a crazy Hundred miller.
Story and when we matched up in the, Summer Andre,
miller ANOTHER la guard heard out Of.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Watch we called Him yogi.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Talk about a hooper.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
MAN i feel like WHEN i was younger IN, la
every TIME i walked in the, GYM i Saw Andre
miller in that. Hooper he never crazy think About Andre.
Miller he told me this. STORY i don't know if
it's public or, not but he never worked on his,
Game like he never had a workout in the. Offseason
he was never in one of those guys going to the.
Gym i'm going to the, gym get up two hundred, shots
work on my, handle.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Dribble.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Nah he just played pick up basketball wherever he, could
every single, day and that's how he stayed in. Shape
that's how he kept, sharp and that's THAT'S i, mean
that's another way of working on your, game. Honestly but
when you talk about, hooper Andre miller's on that.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
LIST a funny. Story so two thousand and, five a
soft redshirt.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
SOPHOMORE i come home AND i, mean Wats my cousin's, Like,
yo we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hoop in this. Tournament it's for.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Cash i'm not supposed to be playing in, it you,
know at this TIME anca. Rules So i'm, like all,
right cool. Whatever And Andre miller's playing for The clippers
at this. Time he's playing for The. Clippers he comes
in the gym And i'm, like, yo It's Andre. Miller
Now i've never Seen Andre miller up like close and
personal and like he's solid six,', two solid but like.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Just Strong so i'm scoring. On him we, Matched up.
I'm scoring i'm.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Feeling good but this is also not a flex because
it's Not Like andre miller's known.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
For defense he's just letting me.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Get Off like i'm feeling, Like okay, Like damn i'm,
All right i'm not feeling pretty GOOD when i say
that fourth quarter he walked, me down walk, me down
WALK a i ain't.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
NEVER been i ain't never been walked down eighty four.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Like that every possession give it and he got drake y'all,
get here.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Get. OFF boys i, just like oh, my god he walking.
ME down.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I wouldn't i.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Honestly say he probably had twenty two or twenty four
and Their fourth oh me just Straight up THERE'S nothing i.
Could do there WAS nothing i can do.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
In.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It yeah late in his career when he was in,
the gym he was giving everybody problem slow like he
can't think he ever.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
He got fifty Two of Portland. With. No, no three taking.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Giving people problems, like slow, methodical, spin wonder double spin to,
my spot, pull up just.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Couldn't go, In.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Fact andre miller is a great. Roller skater he literally
goes he goes looking for. Skating rings that's, his thing literally.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Skating rinks he said he knows like ALL the nba
moms and everything because like he when he's, in cities
he goes.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
And hits up the skating rinks and does. All that so.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
SHOUTING the nba moms. Is crazy at, this point he.
Forty something, but yeah everybody know for sure we're.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Gonna talk we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
TALK archetypes i got a good Archetype For andjre milk IN.
Today's nba I'm going I'M going tj McConnell because the
mid range backup. Point guard but if, you know, you
know and everybody in the league got a lot of
respect FOR what tj. McConnell does get into a spot
in the, mid range and if you let him do that,
all night he gonna give you twenty in eighteen minutes

(28:28):
without even breaking. The sweat so they had a similar
type of games. To me never shot, the three but
as soon as they got inside that three, point line
it was it.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Was cash now WE mentioned cp Versus, D will i
am the delusional person That had rondo better than both.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Of, them yeah that's that's that's.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Pure DELUSION and i just Relate to rondo just FROM an,
iq PERSPECTIVE like i am. Very cerebral That's why, I've
coached i've done all. The things that's why we are
here because people have respect FOR how i look at.
The game i'm looking at the game As if i'm
in a film session and just seeing plays before.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
It happened rondo's one of.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Those guys like he's literally out there playing whatever, it
is and, he's stubborn and he arguing with.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
The coach he thinks he knows.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
It all i've been in those situations BEFORE where I
think i'm smarter than.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The coach but.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
He really showed what type of player he was Beyond the,
big three right when he had to step up and.
MAKE plays i Remember that bull series where he dove
and his arm bent all kind of crazy and showed.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
His toughness he popped it back again and. Came back,
but like you just never.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Knew what Type of rondo you was, gonna get and
he's just he's one of the Smartest players i've. Ever
seen outside of that, bath here you know his, Career,
half yeah his half A, year ben.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
We're wiping that from the. History Books didn't he never
played Him in dallas, to me But. NOT rondo i
didn't get around them until about probably, twenty fourteen, twenty
fifteen when we Were in.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Sack together the one guy about that. AIN'T ever, I know.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I get rondo a LOT of I get rondo a
lot of credit for teaching me how to to really.
Watch film like we'd be playing a game on, the
road have a back to back on, the flight and,
you know mostly trying to get. Some sleep rono's every,
Single flight ronald's on there with the iPad from the
video guy or the or the laptop at the time
for the, video guy and. He's pulling, he's calling waking

(30:24):
guys up in the middle of, the flight Called, hey
seth come, Watch This, hey boogie come. Watch This, Hey, Rudy,
Rudy rudy, hey man we need to do. This tomorrow
like he was literally talking about a coach on. The
floor he was coaching and sometimes He got that's why
he got into it with coaches that he played for,
at times because he was trying to. Take over he
was so smart and he knew the game, so well

(30:45):
and he watched just. As much it's not more film than.
The coaches he had certain game plans and things he
wanted to play on the floor that the coaches kind
of clashed. With him AND like, i said he taught
me how to, watch film taught me how to study,
the game and he gonna be a hell of a coach.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
One day rondo is one of those dudes and what
we meant to the second coach on. The floor if
you were watching film and you're seeing things that the coaches,
and seeing that's when you kind of like a quarterback
and you're making audibles and different things in. Real time
feel because we always yell as basketball players and coaches
a sad it's more so don't be, a robot because
that's not how the game is. Going to actually things

(31:20):
break down all. The time so you might get an
open back cut just because somebody, fell asleep or, you
know you might get a, quick flare whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
It is you Know what.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm saying so you just you just got to, you
know especially when you're playing with a Guy like rondo
who can actually find you and.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
See IT and i know teammates from him is all
around the league can relate. To this he made shoot
arounds and walk through twice as long because after the
coaches went over the plays the other team and what
we were going to do in. Such situations he always had.
A question i always had a little tweet of something
he wanted. To do, i'm, like yo we need let's
get out. Of here i'm trying to get off, my feet,
get rest and now he's trying to walk through every.

(31:55):
Single scenario so, he was and, THAT'S why, i mean
that's what he relyed ON his iq even lay lay in.
The game he saw plays before it happened offensively.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
And, DEFENSIVELY yeah i still think they should have threw
one more chance at Him, in phoenix that one at,
one time so, you know to get him. In There
gilbert arenas man obviously. The podcaster, Now Kids gilbert arenas
used to.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Be, very tough, Very Tough hibachi agent zero like whatever
you want to. Call. Him bro he was pulling up.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
From deep like obviously We Know steph curry from shooting,
for deep We Know damian lillard from shooting. From Deep
But gilbert arenas And my Mood abdu raouf were two
of the guys that could just have unlimited.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Range buckets and you know there's no question if they
passed first or. Score first they out there to score. The,
ball yeah right?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Or, wrong, yeah man Gil gil man one of my,
favorite games JUST because i was just Such a. Laker
haters when he dropped sixty On. The LAKERS i'll i
was loving it in some of the ugliest jerseys of.
All time But in staples it took.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
A bout you remember the Year when gibber was a
sneaker free agent and he could. Wear whatever he was.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Out, there yes and he had he had To sneaker gallay.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
And some wild. Designer kicks getting.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
A bucket he pooped In a Doce and gabana dresses
like he was trying. It all and his swag was,
so nasty no. Show socks he just out there at
the knee brace just getting buckets.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Into it and then he had a tough Pat leather
adidas joints, that yeah we we had on the circuit
for a.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Little.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Bit, yeah man he was definitely one of the ones
bro like one of My favorite again, he's uh he
falls into our what if category right because he had
a three year run it felt like five. Or six
he had strong three years and very dominant at, twenty four,
twenty five and twenty six years old before messing up
his knee and then. The suspensions but in that small

(33:56):
circuit he was able to make that much of an
impact that we were talking about him today.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
And we had those good matchups With bron kas when
with The young bron and them going ahead the head With.
THE wizards i Mean though bron kind of handle him easy, in, four,
five six every time it was it was a lot closer.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
To that and heat and and they had some who
had the disc track on the On. The wizards he, Was,
Playing Oh, Shawn Stevenson. Sean, stevenson yeah they took it off.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
The floor that's when whole. Came out would blow. The,
whistle see this is the thing basketball. Was that that's
how much cracking. Basketball was the series was so crazy
That The shawn stevenson had got, dis BOCKED. Jay z
bro that was a.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Different era that's.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
How crazy that's a. Different, Era man we'll never see
nothing like that. Ever Again, bro like and.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You think, that's honestly it feels like that moment feels
like it. Would happen that was A first was? That
Crazy if?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I'm wrong that was a first. Round series it felt
like it was, The, final yes you Know what. I'm
saying heating it felt like it was.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
The finals it was that he and they, were, like
man they were, having Fun, bro like they thought they
was gonna, you know obviously give, were choked but, dangn
man like that was that was a.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
FUN series i don't know if we can, get that get.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
That.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Heated man we need some, rappers involved man to make.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
It hard to get back. To it we got To
get toronto back in, The, playoffs.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, Yeah Absolutely mike Bibby bro by Shot Some.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Mike Bibby mike bibby had all the light skinned players shaving.
Their heads he had white boys shaving, their heads you
KNOW what.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I mean he was cooking up.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Speaking, of yeah this was this was back when they
was going bad voluntarily before they had when they had
had voluntarily, gone bad was.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Just insane but that was.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
The baby was tearing Up the lakers like it was
something they had. Never seen he was giving all their guards.
The blues in, the playoffs, like Obviously the lakers came.
Out victorious and there's a controversial series if you want
to bring it up and look it up on, your
OWN but i loved it again this this this episode

(36:03):
might be just Changed to tray Being a laker HATER
because i just enjoyed it. So much Anybody those Portland trope,
Blazers Teams sacramento.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Kings like Whoever gave kobe and. THEM fits i was just.
ENJOYING it i. Loved it dog like one of The.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Coaches mike he and and my. Goats here but he
got to be discussed when you talk.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
About.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
This absolutely, he, yeah he he just needs to be
mentioned in that because he definitely put.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
In work he did, his thing and.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
He's respected moving On to sam, and, Sales sales sam,
Can sale broamn god game used to photos.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Shot guy you Know what. I'm saying old school.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Really, my guy and he coached me a couple of
years And in Philly. Under doc they're one of my
CLOSEST coaches i ever had talked to him all the
time till to, this day and he got better as
he AIGs.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
LIKE he i feel like he he made His.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
First all Star IN all nba at the age of
Thirty for clippers With the clippers. Or whatnot, but yeah
he was and and really old man game throughout. His
career slow one of those guys you see at the
wh just walking, you down getting. You buckets don't know
how he, did it but never never, sped up really
walking you down to. The POST fadeaway midi he you

(37:19):
can see you can see a Lot Of. SHAE gillers
i was there in. His game you could tell he
Was around shade when he was a rookie In uh
la With. The clippers and that's really getting to. YOUR
spy a slight, push off, step back bond over and over.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
And over and he. Was tough he, was tough underrated
point guard.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Of there you don't have to say goats or anything,
like that but he's respected by, the goats you KNOW what.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I mean and, that name you KNOW what. I mean he's.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So, affected Yeah and jay you Know even Jada Kids
shoutedy mount in.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
The song you KNOW what. I mean that's that's how
that's how killer, he was you Know what. I'm saying Even,
in Milwaukee, LIKE sam i cansell you KNOW what. I mean,
like overall and then.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
He transitioned you you brought up the point the point
early in the pot about guys off the bench being
passed first in. Today's age he trained this late in
his career to be in one of those vets who
came off the bench for. Championship TEAMS and i think
it Was in boston where he used to coming off
the bench running. The team BEING a vet but still
has some big. Time games, oh yeah his point guard.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
For hiring that's what you got point guard for higher
like those the guy that you Know like rono became
that where you, just, know, like hey we bought to
go on our, championship.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Run go get them because they ain't.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Tripping off starting baby was one of Them. In miami YOU. Got,
gp yeah all the guys.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
When, you age if you can still do what, you
do you know you got. Championship pedigree you're gonna. Get
signed just be Ready For april. May gym give me rest.
Your body we're gonna we're gonna sign you During The
Bio martin March first, march first you're.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Joining us just, stay, READY man i don't know what you've.
Been doing.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
You ready we need you to back up such and
such a young fella and be in, his ear tell
him the stuff that that's that's.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
To come keeping ready and.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's it and now you see why his success and
and That's Why sam cansell and And the bibby's and
The the rondo's of the world were, able to, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Be successful and guess what another coach another, coach.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Again it's just it just, lines, up Man point guards make.
Great Coaches. Steve francis he has an, unbelievable, Story Man,
Steve francis he's up There with baron, to me like
when you Think about flair and one style street style
kind of, Game FREE like i still think about how
He Made troy hudson touch, the ground like no Disrespect To,

(39:38):
troy hudson Shots To. Troy hudson but that play is
one of the Craziest plays i've seen where he, just like,
Come here bob bop pop and then hit it with
the jumper and then he's just fly, so, HIGH man
i Love.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Point guards that just dunked like.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It seemed like he was out there too for. The
highlight that's he was.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Out There Houston rockets era was crazy before he got
traded For t.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Mac crazy he played with, y'all right so he was.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes with him and yeah he thought him they thought
him and y'all were, a duo OR that i was
gonna bring a Chip, to houston which it says. A,
lot man it says, a lot says a Lot Him,
catino mobley you KNOW what.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I mean that list, goes on, But Yeah steve francis
is recognized to one of one of my favorites of.
The era and then lastly We Got.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Starburry So cold starbreks sure one one of the one
of the rare ones to average twenty with eight assists
consecutively for. Eight seasons that's tough. To.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Do yeah one of his highlights to ME were i
think IT was i FORGOT who i was talking, to About,
maybe steph but his his show he put on During
That All star game back in the day when he
was he was on the Floor with kobe two thousand and,
One Kg tim duncan WHAT it's O One All star
game and he had. The ball he was running the
show like it was. His show that he was the

(40:55):
guy on. That floor and when you get In An
All star game and you get around, those guys they
know when it's ended, the game they know who to
get a. Ball to they showed their respect by who's
taking over the game at the end.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Of it and he was.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
THE guy i was running the show and he was
doing it all and he wasn't passing nobody straight get
to a bucket In The All.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Star game it was a. Special.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Moment, Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
What About Derek fisher when you think about, this era
and how many Championship the lakers winning? This era it
went five in, the era and they had the same
point guard in, every, Championship Right, derek fisher where's? His
place and go point guards of the, Two thousands.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
He's not my, Top FIVE but i will, say This
the lakers don't win these titles Without, the fish you
KNOW what?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I mean from point four to, his leadership, his.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Availability and he was the best man for. THE job
i couldn't picture anyone Being a lakers point guard doing. Those,
runs yeah he.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
WAS steady i THINK we, I mean i'm gonna, BE
honest i think he was one of twenty to twenty
five if you're ranking point guards in the. Two thousands
but there's something to be said about. That steady, every
Time Uh phil jackson looked up down, the roster, he
knew he knew whose point. Guard was He Knew derri

(42:07):
fish was gonna get him in spots and if you left,
him open he was gonna knock it down in the. Biggest,
MOMENTS so, I mean i don't think anybody have minutes
and then the goat tier as far as compete with
some of, the hot most talented guys in, this era
but he got the hard way to show, for It
and kobe.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Trusted him that was. His guy, SO yeah i feel
he got to be. Brought up BUT.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
He i don't think he's cracking the top five list
on it on anybody's when you talk about.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
This, era, yeah no but respect The. Dee fish yeah.
For sure when we come back, from break we're going
to give our coat.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Top, five hey stay. WITH us i got a. Good list.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I've been waiting for. This man, you know We we
we've been talking about a lot of great. Point guards
but only five can make. Our list and, you know
obviously there's a certain criteria to make.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
This list we went through the. Criteria earlier it's. Top
five i'm curious to see what five, you have SE
because i know WHAT five. I got i wrote.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
MINE down i know that your. Five first, all right,
All right i'll. Do it i'm that excited. About It
so i'm gonna start, at five you KNOW what. I
mean I Got chris paul, At, FIVE okay I Got
tony parker.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
AT four I Got rojeon rondo.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
At, THREE ooh I Got steve nash at Two And
jake kidd.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
At.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
One Okay the rondo one is where we're gonna have
a little a.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Little discrepancy, then Okay well i'm run off my five
and we'll get into it. My five, AT five i
Got d WILL four, Cp THREE so i got the
two young guys of the era at five. And four,
AT three i got two TIME Finals Mvp tony parker
At Two jason kidd And one steve nash the TWO.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Time mvp literally He.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
He steve nashy that one because he was doing all
this he never had a top tier LIKE all nba
type running made.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
With him he kind of orchestrated the whole offense in
That air.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Bob something he WAS winning Mvp Over shack's, kobe's teammates
like he was that guy in. The ERA so i
gotta give nash is. My one how you get what
made You put rondo it in at?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Number?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Three man you heard my praise all, through it like that's, my,
Guy MAN and i just took it, as that you
KNOW what? I, MEAN overall i just Felt like rondo
was just one of. Those players, i'm biased, but definitely,
you know he came in late in, that scenario you
KNOW what, i mean probably like three years of that
window so he definitely could probably, Get BUMPED but.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I just i just stayed biased. With it man and
No d willian list all past.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
First guys you KNOW what? I mean as, you could
as you could tell why Is d will not? On
there YOU would d will you At d WILL over cp,
THREE guy, I DEFINITELY but i mean. THE consistency i
looked at, the numbers, the Consistency And chris paul deserved
that spot to. Belong There UH but i know we
had a interchangeable at one and Two, at NASH but

(45:23):
I Got jake kidd who went to the. Finals twice
and also just, the numbers AND obviously i know THAT
the MVPs kind of. Outweigh that, You know nash never
got a chance to.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
DO that i Feel like Nash.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Gotta na's got some tough breaks in. THOSE playoffs i
feel like he's he was he was hooped In the
robberson regular season and WINNING, the MVPs but when he
got to, the playoffs he was just, as good if.
Not better but he cast her got some tough breaks
with some, questionable suspensions some seriously should have been.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
One OF those mvp should Have. Been kobe's but into
that we have another debate for.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
That man but And Then tony parker three is after the.
NATIONAL kid I Think tony parker was a guy.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
That, air yeah he's He's Like tom brady, to me
you KNOW what, I mean like he's kind of a
quarterback in.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
That thing and and we could, ONLY imagine, i mean
we only got like a Blink Of tony parker on
another Roster To.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Charlotte HORNETS but i don't count we don't really.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Count that, but Overall If tony parker would have played
some free, hoops somewhere he probably would have been more
of a score than what he was used As In.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
San, antonio yeah he.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Sacrificed some of who he was for the betterment of
the team. For championships so you gotta add that. In
THERE and I definitely and when you got the, playoff
time he upped. His level every single, playoff run he upped,
His level his stats, went up the impact. Went up
and when you got all time Greats and Kawhi And

(46:53):
TIM duncan jenoblei Deferned To tony parker in the playoffs
when it means the most that That, means.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Listen, you Guys hurd our five send us, your comments
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Speaker 1 (47:10):
Today's debate on, that end it's our favorite time of
the part Born in who Do?

Speaker 4 (47:20):
You have born In The?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Wrong era i'm rolling with My Guy, darren williams and
he's in the somebody he reminds me of Is, k, cunningham.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Big, big guard a bit with.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
GREAT size i d will six four, Six five kate
a little, bit taller but he was like a monster
down there at the point. Guard position AND like i,
said EARLIER had i would like to see him in
this age more spread pick, and roll getting up, and
down more freedom than he had in that, jazz offense
WHERE like, i said he had a set play every.

(47:54):
Single time so with him in spread pick, and roll
getting them more threes with, MORE freedom i feel like
his numbers would have went up and he would be
looked at it in a. DIFFERENT light i feel like
he was held back a little bit by having to
run at that offense he was.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Drafted into For.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
My born In the wrong, eral player it's going To
Be baron davis playing AND Simple, b diddy you KNOW what? I,
mean like he definitely would have been. A terror he
would have been, a terror and his three pointers would
have been his three point attempts would have. Been higher
he would have been hard, To guard he would have
been posting, guys up he would have.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Been, finishing yeah with the medical technology they, have now
they would have got his. Knee right it just would
have been just taken, care of you KNOW what. I,
MEAN like i just THINK That b diddy would have
been one of, the ones.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Like straight up from a skill, SET Perspective d WILL
And b diddy a lot of like in, My, book
yeah outside OF The d will was obviously a more,
willing passer a little bit, better PASSER and I Mean
b diddy was more scoring but similar similar skill sets.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
To, me, YEAH well i mean, this one, THIS one
i feel like this could have been like a three.
Hour pod i'm not. GONNA lie i mean.

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the cut and, you know we'll just have to say
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