July 31, 2025 • 55 mins
Today we’re showing love to the Big Dawgs who played in one of the last truly physical eras of the NBA. These giants had imposing physiques and were not afraid to turn their backs to the basket to overpower and demoralize opponents. Sure, they could shoot too and had range, but this elite list that we’re discussing today made their hay doing the dirty work and sending an overt message to whomever they faced: YOU CANNOT STOP ME. Tune in to find out which power forwards we think did it best.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Think about you dribbling and a guy pressing you full
court and you like, hey, set the screen. He usually
the guy laying them out, you know what I mean,
really having your back. And I don't know if it's
a lot of those you know what I mean, big fellas.
Now it's a lot of younger big fellas too, you
know what I mean, I don't even think there again,
maybe that is the thing. They're transitioning out to a
(00:21):
point where everybody not only doing the same thing, or
it's seemed that, like, Yo, you're not even there to
set screens no more. You're not there to just be
active in the paint, just to even just be Those
roads are diminishing, you know what I'm saying. It's just
how many points can you add to this team versus Yo?
You just made us tough. Yo, you just did the
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little things, you know what I mean, Like, hey, get
out of my paint. These seven rebounds is mine. I
don't even know if them conversations are still being had
because guards are coming down getting nine rebounds, ten rebounds,
getting their triple doubles, their double doubles, and it's just
a different conversation. Welcome back to another episode. The greatest
(01:06):
of their era.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
What up, Doc Trade? What up?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What up? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Got another week? Another episode? Got a good topic for today,
right man?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We got a great topic for today. Man, greatest power
forwards are the two thousands, and there was a lot
of bump on that block.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was it was this is like the golden age
of power forwards. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
From top to bottom you had this point of league.
Every team had a solid power forward you could go to,
and some of the greatest ones of all time was
playing in the two thousands. So it's gonna be fun
to dive into this topic and break down who with
a goat to the era?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah? Would you say that this era was like taking
a lot of the post players off the block and
kind of taking them beyond twenty feet and spreading the
floor and showing a little bit more versatility. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Absolutely, It's like it's kind of extinct these type of
powards that are playing in the two thousands. Like today,
you look out there in the league and that position
is not really there anymore. I feel like now in
the league you either have a small ball center. So
if you're a power for you either a small ball
center or you're like a wing. So like I think
the main three things that change from that era to
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now is one, I think the archetype. The body types
of the guys playing back then we're completely different. It's
usually bigger, stronger, physical power forwards. You either like six'
eight to seven foot with huge. Bodies now it's more
like lean skin of your. Type guys that are playing
the four like kind of like three four LIKE i,
Said or if you're a bigger, guy you're like a.
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Center other thing was like the role the role of
the guys in the league, now like with the spread
out offense and trying to get more shooting out. There
it's not you're not dumping it down to your power
forwards and having them play. Iceo and back to the. Basketball,
now if you're a, four you gotta spread the, floor
give your main your playmaker, space or you got to
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be like a you know What i'm, saying a physical defensive.
Guy so you got to get more of a more
of a specialist before in the last thing is because
of the roles and the archetype, change the skill set
of these guys have, changed, Right so it's like now
you got to you gotta be a more of a,
shooter you know What i'm.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Saying, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i. Mean and also when you really
think about you go through a lot of statistics and
accolades and things of that, nature you're, saying who was,
Better like a lot of guys didn't get a chance
to start On All star. TEAMS a lot of guys
didn't get a chance to Be ALL nba because it
was so, competitive specifically in The, west you know WHAT i,
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mean at that powerful, position you know WHAT i. Mean
so it was kind of like a heavy, debate you
know WHAT i. Mean like we talked About dirk, nowhiskey
one of your former teammates. Highly but then when you
think about the powerful, position you got to talk About
Tim duncan And Kevin. Garnett sometimes it's ONE, a ONE.
B so let's kick things off With Tim. Duncan, man
like see A hall Of, famer won three of his
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five titles in the two, thousands you, know won two
MVPs during that, decade fifteen Time All. STAR i, mean
the accolades go. Along the big fundamental was really like,
that and you, know arguably when the conversations are, happening
people say he's one of the greatest power for us
of all.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Time, yeah he was really the gold stander at the
fourth position for something once he stepped foot in the.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
League from day, one he was that guy at the powerful.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Position and this kind of shows, you like who the
powerful was back in the, day because right now he's
and even later on his career he was a. Center
SO i mean a lot of guys at this position
played with another traditional five, man so it was like
a four or five man the twin towers down there
holding holding the paint. Down And Tim duncan, WAS i,
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mean the big, fundamental like you, said had it all
on offense and. Defense and if he's on your on your,
roster you got the chance to win the.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Championship almost kind of consider him modern Day Bill, russell,
right you know WHAT i, mean because like even when
you think about, it he's so committed to, winning, Right
he's so committed to the. System, now obviously he flirted With.
Orlando we gotta, get we, got you, know we gotta.
Get you fought along here to talk about that one.
Day but the idea Of Tim duncan on The Eastern,
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conference what he would have, done like we always, say,
hey there's more skilled players Or, hey he didn't scored
like this and, That BUT i just think that he
just bought into the system so much that he cared about.
Winning and most of those guys are part of Those
spurs teams sacrificed a lot of their game for the
greater good Of you bring.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Up a good point, because like it's, hypothetical BUT i
wonder what would happen if he went to a different,
team because he kind of got drafted to a good
team already a solid. Team they had an off year
BECAUSE i Think David robinson got hurt the year before
which allowed him to get that number one. Pick but
he came into a system with, pop with other. Vets
with a guy Like David, robinson we learn from how
to be a. Pro if he goes to A i
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don't know That orlando or a younger, team is he
that same type of?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Guy know What i'm? Saying is he that?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Professional is he that that? Leader that that he that
we all know? Him Ut as, now like situation plays
a lot into, it and obviously he made the most
of his.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Situation speaking of, Situation Kevin, Garnett hall Of, famer high school,
Graduate you know WHAT i, mean came traits the league
when this was a very old, league you know WHAT i,
Mean they really wasn't rocking with young guys like. That
and he came in and did his. Thing uh won
his first only title in eight fifteen Times All Star
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Defensive player of The. Year probably one of the best
defensive players we've seen in the game, too because you
know he can guard top to. BOTTOM o THREE mvp In.
Minnesota what do you have to say ABOUT? Kg he
was one of my favorite players that that was non
guard at that time coming out of the. League, man
he had it. All. Man he could, Dribble, yeah he
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can post. Up he had a sweet jump, Shot like,
Man ticket was really like.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That WHEN i think OF, KG i think it's like
how fierce a competitive he. Was like when he's out
there on the, floor you could see it all over his,
face his body, language the way he, talked how bad
he wanted to, win how much he loved to, compete
and obviously he had the skill set to go with.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It he could do everything on both ends of the.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Floor obviously wanted that ONE mvp Winning Defensive player of The,
year one of the best defenders to ever step foot
on the. Floor and then the offensive skills. Set it's
nothing he couldn't. Do like he could, shoot he could
pass back to the, basket you know What i'm, saying
could play one on one and you see remember those
clips when he was. YOUNG i think you got an
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old like you think a lot of people who would
just watch him later on his career With boston when
he went back To, minnesota like he was a little slow.
Down he just kept a simple jab, shot pick and.
Pop but when he was, young he was getting to.
It he was he was playing one on. One he
can handle athletics. Allgether kind of reminded me of like Young.
Shaq people don't realize how athletic and Young shack. WAS
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kg got those same type of.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Qualities, yeah, absolutely AND i mean, again you. Stick you,
know these these are the type of, vets the type
of you, know, professionals the type Of hall of. Famers
they found out what worked for, them they stuck with,
It they mastered it and became the game's. Best they
didn't try to be anything outside of what they. Did
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obviously they owned those. Skills Like shack probably could have
been taking mid range jump, shots but it would have
been like a. Disadvantage you get What i'm, Saying, Like
i'm sure defenses will be, like, Whoof, like all, right
we ain't got a bang with this. Dude he's bailing
us out because he wants to prove that he can
do more than what he's great, at you know WHAT i.
Mean that's why that's the CONVERSATION i have About gianni's
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is like he's kind of helping everybody, out trying to
prove that he has more than what he. Possesses because
if he you know that that the year that he
actually he you, know went on those m V p
chaars was because he was inside, out you know WHAT i,
mean like and it was hard for people to you,
know guard. Him but once he tried to prove that
he had a, three you, know you're gonna miss some more,
(09:11):
Shots you're gonna take some plays. Off it's a it's
a little different. Man so this is kind of. Interesting
but you, KNOW i never Thought Kevin gardner got the
best Of Tim. DUNCAN i think he was more favorite
just because his personality won outside Of Tim duncan.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And his game was more.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
FLASHY i rather, watch even though he might not be
better Than.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tim i'd rather WATCH kg on a nightly, basis, Right, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yep he had the, Story he had the you, know
the cool shoes, screaming he talking before the. Game he
may use some, profanity you know WHAT i, mean he Will, Okay,
yeah HAS kg Any HAS kg said anything to you
during your junior.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Playing ABSOLUTELY i might have played against him for a
year two WHEN i got in the, League but absolutely
it wasn't nobody that was hid FROM kg when you
stepped on that, floor especially a young dude who he
didn't he didn't fully respect yet it didn't know much
about he was gonna test.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You AND.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I just remember being out there like he would get
he give me on the. Switch he talking before he
even get the, ball like he, talked and then when
he catches you probably talking. More and it WAS i
mean it. Was it's kind of like a right of
passes where you get in the league to get on
the floor with a guy LIKE. Kg same thing With Tim.
Duncan you just like you watch them and you kind
of got that reverence for, them but being out there
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on the, floor or do you understand that poise and
what they bring to the. Flight Tim duncan is the
opposite of A. Kg he's not gonna say a, word
but he gonna he gonna dominate you just as, much
just with his his skill set and cutting you up
on it on the. Floor BUT i, mean it, WAS i.
Was that's one of those things you get in the.
League you can't wait to get on the floor with
some of these.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Guys, YEAH i, Mean i'm pretty sure it's surreal like
the movie Like, mike And you're looking and its just, like,
oh this is really. Them and NOW i got to
kind of lock in Because i'm a part of this,
Now like it's no longer watching ON, tv it's no
longer playing on the video. Game i'm out here with.
Them and IF i don't do What i'm supposed to,
Do i'm gonna go to that bench or it's gonna
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be a long.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Night you can't be, scared Can't you can't be. Scared
you got to meet it with, force especially a guy LIKE.
Kg he probably like it and respect him. More if
you do talk back to, him you score on and
you say something to him, afterwards you might slow down
a little bit and show you some love. Afterwards BUT
i want to circle back to your point about the
mid range and these guys being able to shoot the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Off the ball like they could, have like you, said
they could have took a couple of.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Steps back and shot a few more, threes worked on
their game like they mastered that mid. Range AND i
mean that shows you the style of playback. Then but
also even a guy like Who Gonna Get it to
next In Dirt Dirt, dirt he's one of the best
shooters that ever stepped foot on the. Floor even he
was taking three four threes a, game he. Wasn't you
weren't forcing, It and so that shows these guys have
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been fine in today's league playing the stretch, five playing the,
four spreading the, floor shooting. Threes really their skills set
allowed them to do whatever they wanted to out.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
There.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah. ABSOLUTELY i mean it's all about, adjustment. Man what
you have to add to your. Game you, know every,
year like right, now you're working on your. Game you're
looking at ways to be, better you, know how to.
Improve new moves are being, developed new rules have been
changed to kind of benefit the, player and you adjust over.
Time the game is a. Justice since you've been in the,
league you know WHAT i, mean ten plus, years so
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you can kind of understand what it would be like
to change your game if you played in another era of, Like,
okay this is a style of PLAY i gotta adjust,
to and this is HOW i need to show. Up so,
honestly this is a hot. Take by the, Way Dirk
nowitzky has to move up probably number two because of you,
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know his journey and him doing it with one team
and him doing it with like you, know it's not
Against it's not a knock On Kevin, garnet But Kevin
garnett finally got over the hump With Paul pierson, reality
And dirk just kind of just stuck it. Out you.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Know that's part of The, yes that guy when he
won the, championship he was the main.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Guy he. Was he was the guy leading the. CHARGE.
Kg you can't say the same ABOUT i, mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Like he rolled with, Yeah, Paul, Yeah ray even A
rondo was better than anybody That dirk had on the
squad doing those runs and so like that mean, you
like you, said obviously doing it on both. ENDS kg
did more on both. Ends he's he was that dominant
defensive player too with the. Offense BUT i got love
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for for What dirk did sticking it out In, dallas
not complaining when he didn't have the rosters.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Or when he was, buying felt like he was by.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Himself it's just different when you were At homegrown and
he went it at Home it just is like it
not that that's part of the.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Story it was one of the toughest.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Roads it's also one of the toughest. Roads he had
to go through a lot of people to get, it
you know WHAT i. Mean and for him to beat
That miami, Team LIKE i JUST i look at it just, differently,
Man like you, know it's not about you, know, quantity
it's about quality for me on that, One AND i
just think that you, know shouts at the individual. Accolades
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yes he's A hall Of. Famer yes he's a twelve
Time ALL nba, guy you know WHAT i. Mean yes
he could you, know top three IN mvp. Voting you
know What i'm, SAYING mvp. Winner it's gonna happen when
you you, know you had these type of, teams you get.
Good but, overall like you, mentioned he's one of the
best shooting bigs of all. Time but just that loan
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road of, like, HEY i had great players that suited
up alongside. Me but they weren't Like hall Of fame.
Teammates he had The Michael finlings of the. World he
had The Steve nashville or even during that championship Run
Karan butler tears at a Clun.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
They weren't in that. Prime they were later.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
On these are like the ghost of some of these,
guys and he he maximized what they.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Do, yep, absolutely. Man so you know when we start
talking about our top, five man can get real. Interesting
you know when WHEN i When i'm bringing my team. Up,
Man Chris, bosh let's talk About Chris. Bosh. Uh you
know we Mentioned dirk. Nowhiskey Chris bosh was part of
The Big three In miami before he was with The
Big three With Toronto. Raptors he was a twenty ten
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guy before going over there and signing With. Miami AND
i feel, like you, know although he's A hall Of,
famer his season was cut short due to health. Issues
probably could have did way, More probably could have added
way more to the, resume could have helped many other,
teams and it's unfortunate how it went. Down but he still.
Decorated what do you have to say About Chris. BOSH
(15:54):
i know he gets like when we talk about big three,
stuff people always try to kick him in the back
and make you see like he wasn't good, man.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That he was.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Nice he was a top five six player in the
league when he went To, miami like he was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Legit he was a.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Problem and you look At Chris bos's career and that's
kind of like that shows you the evolution of the
power forward, position because when he was In, toronto he
was a legit power. Forward he was a guy you
could throw two on the block at the. Elbow he
was shooting a lot of mid. Ranges he was a power.
Forward when he went To miami and the league kind
of changed and bron and D wade needed more, space
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and that's the way the whole league was. Going where
he could he that had the transits to like a stretch,
five to make that team work and to go the
way the league was, going or he probably would, have
you know What i'm, saying career would have won a different,
way or the team wouldn't have been as.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Good so he made that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Adjustment he, started you know What i'm, Saying he started
spreading the, floor started playing the five, more stopped posting
up as, much started spreading the, floor and that that
he was kind of like the What Kevin love ended
up being for The Cleveland he was, like, yeah he
would have.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Been he was that four or, five but he kind
of just spread the floor for those.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Guys and it's LIKE i, said it's all about skill
set with, him but he could he could post, up shoot,
it past, it move and speak good enough on both
ends of the. Floor AND i, Mean Chris boston one
of the most underrated guys to this.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Day, YEAH i absolutely. Agree poll got. So, now remember
we talked about uh number one picks With Kwame. Brown
imagine If powell went number one that year and played with. Me,
YEAH i just think that nobody was willing to take
that chance yet on The european big h outside of,
(17:40):
dirt you know WHAT i, mean especially you Know paul
being In memphis at the time and then you, know
heading To Los angeles where you, know he got got
connected With Kobe bryant and you, know they became a great.
Tandem When powell actually got to The, lakers you, know
obviously the way mentions, it that's How big three even
(18:00):
kind of kicked off In miami because they felt like
those dudes were going to go on a three peat
and continue to.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Run they stole. Them first of, all he shouldn't even
been IN, la but coming in he was the fleece for.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah but pal like that's that's another example of the
twin towers him and buying them pals like a huge
four and you got buying him in. There he just
he had all the skills passed HIGH iq coming From,
europe like playing the right way and like he's he
was like he was like the perfect compliment to What
kobe needed at that, spot so that he could get
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on that. Elbow we could run the office through him
where you could pass it If kobe needed somebody else
to make some.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Plays and, UH i.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Mean he kind of took, Off LIKE i, said he
was a rookie of The year in two thousand and
two and In, memphis but he kind of took like,
said he took off when he got TO la and
got on the bright lights and started playing some playoff.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Basketball he was powers is another name that Might mike
sneak in that top.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Five, YEAH i, mean you, know and he was able
to ship that soft, title you know WHAT i mean
playing against Those celtics in the finals and and showing
up and playing, big you know WHAT i, mean because
a la media was killing. Him they was killing him
for a, minute man, like ah you scared you know? That?
Man and he has one PLAY i think where he
(19:17):
like either catches the live or he dumped on somebody
and he just yet lets out his like emotion and was,
like oh he. Here he really liked, that you know
WHAT i. Mean and then he also went on to
play In chicago and still have some good years, man
and and and still do his. Thing. Man So Shouston
parkersol in the career he, had, man because he could
have easily fizzled out, man and kind of and went
(19:38):
into that stereotype of you, Know european bigs being soft
and you, Know dirk being the lone guy that could
get it, done you know WHAT i. Mean like think
about The european, great, big big guys over sixteen that
we've gotten Since, dirk you know WHAT i, Mean you
got you, know you got the guy soul that That
(19:59):
Marc gasol's, yout The jokich's you know WHAT i, mean The.
PERSINGERS a lot of dudes could have like a bunch
two years an out and and they and they stuck it.
Out so you know WHAT i, mean that's a testament
to their. Career, Uh stack man standing tall and talented.
Man funny thing about march stdam Marsh stdamar almost came
(20:21):
to come To. Domingus he was about to play With
Tyson Chandler wow his senior. Year, yeah, man and something.
Happened i'm kind of glad it didn't, happen but it
would have been cool to watch, firsthand you know WHAT i,
mean as a sophomore in high, school because there was
so many guys trying to make our team and come
(20:42):
to our. Campus AND i don't know if our school
would have been able to Handle. Stack i'm just not
a guy from you, know The East, coast just just ego,
WISE i don't even. KNOW i just don't know how
that would have, worked you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Mean But, uh he had a lot of a lot
came with, HIM a lot of baggers came with him
coming out of the into the draft and coming out
of high.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
School but.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He went to a new high school every, year went
to a new high school every. Year but, man once
he once he got to the, league, man he he
proved that he was forced to be reckoned with and
him and him And nash that pick and. Roll, obviously
six Time All, star five Time ALL. Nba, uh he
didn't win a. Title that's not really admire. Him that's the,
(21:28):
knock you know WHAT i. Mean but like the good
thing about our pot, man we we we we show.
Love we respect what people, do you know WHAT i,
mean the craftsmanship of, it the actual you know things
because when you when you face these type of. People
and that's WHY i love when you and and and
our guests talk because you guys give us a real
(21:50):
feel versus what our eyes show. Us sometimes the eyes,
lie you know WHAT i, mean when you're out there
on the, floor you know the true effect of how
strong somebody. Is you know what type of. Personality we
can't hear. It you, know it's like a whole separation
y'all doing the dance out there and the world just
watching y'all, dance you know WHAT i. Mean so it's
just a different perspective. It And maari played with, fears
(22:14):
attacked the, rim he dunked on. Somebody it's just like you,
Know marbury got that one clip where he just like
does the frown if he dunked on somebody and it's
just still one of the nastiest dunks we've ever seen
in this.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
League the thing About mark so he was my WHEN
i got traded to The nets From. Philly uh for
half a year he was he was assistant over, there
SO i got to pick his brain a little. Bit
and like he's he don't have all the skills, Set
like he couldn't shoot as well some of the guys
we talked about past dribble he did what he, did
but his BASKETBALL q was. THERE i think he knew
when to slip into the. Pocket just talking to him
(22:46):
and being around him about the. Game he knew when
to slip into the. Pocket he knew when the pot,
right he knew the angles to set the screens For
Steve nash to get. Downhill like that type of thing
allowed him to be as good as he, was along
with the athleticism obviously and then and the, mentality but
just allow him to do what he did without the
high skill set of the other power forwards in that.
(23:08):
Era so JUST i, mean stat one of the smartest
Guys i've been. Around, like LIKE i, said being around
him as an assistant coach From. Brooklyn and that's another
thing about people's, Career like you don't they had some
really good. Teams they were really close to winning the,
championship like they were at, times a couple of breaks
don't go his. Way, see he don't win a championship
(23:28):
if they.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Do get over that. Hump we're talking.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
About Mari steve and all Those suns teams in a different, light,
Right so, yeah the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Conversation is way. Different and they just changed the. GAME i, mean,
De'antoni Sean, Marion, may the list goes. On when you
think about those type of, rosters you know WHAT i.
Mean but sometimes you run into those great teams and
those great teams with The San Antonio spurs and The
Los Angeles. Lakers, yeah and you know WHAT i, mean, like,
hey you just. Can't you can't beat, them. Man and it's.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Unfortunately there's a lot of, PEOPLE i, mean they getting
that win that championship put you in a different, light
put you in a different class of. Players so you
got a March stid of mine and this next guy
we're gonna talk. About we got rashie people with nacket
homes not being a, winner skilled and talented as all
as anybody in the. League but he couldn't win until
he got to you know What i'm. Saying he got
The detroit got over that, hump and all of a
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sudden he one of.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
The best winners and leaders and were talking about him.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Differently, Now, yeah, man She man's that's my og. Man
she can shoot with both, hands could spread the. Floor
like we talked about boring in the wrong, era that's
one of the dudes for, sure like probably the face
of the born in The wrong. Girl, obviously it's criminally
underrated when you think about four Time All star just
because the politics of the, game right when you really
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think about who were in these, positions like she played
on The.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
West, yeah like it's penciled, in so you got it's
like the planing Of it's like playing the point guard
position in the twenty tens With Steph russ cp at.
It you, know those three gonna make The All Star. Game,
yeah that's that's a. Lock, yeah it ain't too many
positions that you go get. Here, Yeah tim kg, dirt
they make An All Star, Game so who getting the other.
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Spot it's a bunch of people fighting for those last
one or two.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Spots we're gonna take a quick, break but when we come,
Back i'm gonna share a story about me And Rashie
wallace talking about Power Forward. University the one thing THAT
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i want to shout out For Rashie wallace and uh
this is when he was on The Detroit pistons coaching.
Staff he mentioned to me how he got all his
young young guys paid and he called it power Forward. University.
Right he Had Zach, randolph he Had jermaine, O'Neill he
Had Meir, johnson Uh Andre, drummond Greg My row all
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these guys and he told the same. Thing do what you,
do find out what your strength is and do it
for the rest of your career at the advant and
you're gonna get. Paid trust, me every single one of
those guys got. Paid Once jermaine O'Neil got traded To
Indiana blossom, One Zach randolph got To Memphis, blossom him
going To detroit actually playing with a team and not saying.
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That you, know he didn't play on talented, teams because
That Portland Trove blazers team possibly could have went to the,
finals but ran into A Los Angeles lakers, team you
know WHAT i. Mean So it wasn't like he wasn't
on good. Teams it's just that sometimes you ran into
good teams that were just. Better when he got to
This detroit business team in the middle Of february after a,
trade like he got traded in To, atlanta didn't even show,
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up ended up getting redirected To. Detroit gets, there people
are still, Saying, HEY i don't know if it's gonna.
Work he's this type of. Player. Man he fit right right,
in didn't try to fight back him And Ben wallace
became one of the tough front Court Chauncey billups And
Rip hamilton and then you Got Tayshaun prince on the other,
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side like they probably one of the greatest defensive teams. Assemble,
man they shut down That lakers. Team people thought that
was gonna be an automatic win for The lakers when
they Got Gary payton And carmelong even though they was
on the back. End but you just felt like that
team was quote unquote stacked and they changed that whole.
Trajectory and then you Know rashie going over To boston
And New. York he still was. Contributing but, again you
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run it to them teams that you just can't beat
and that kind of was the story Of Rashie wallace's.
Career So i'm kind of glad that he was able,
to you, know win a ring because he still can
go and put his feet on the table and, talk
you know WHAT i, Mean because if he's on the
outside looking, in we may are talking about him like
in The March DoD, tomar we may talking about him
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like you, know The Chris, webers you know WHAT i,
mean who are all great, Players but you, know it's
just like you, mentioned the light is. Different the light
ain't shine that's. Bright the commercials ain't, rolling the shoes ain't,
kicking they ain't selling like they're supposed to, sell you
know WHAT i, Mean because that's how we rate talent
and how we rank people in this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
League, nah some people just deserve to get a.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Ring you that good a, Player you sacrifice the right,
amount you play long, enough like some people should deserve
to win to tight. Them rushi one of those guys
to talk about you brought up power for, You like
that's the culture THAT i grew up in around the
league with my dad playing in and like WHAT i
love so much about the league is the real he
like a real o G. Right he's always pouring into younger,
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people giving them. GAME i REMEMBER i was At duke
playing in the summer programs out THERE a AND. T
i think it wasn't a lot like The duke guys
would come play pick up and playing these summer prom.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Games The carolina guys would be in in.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Him And Stackhouse Rashida stackhouse would always come and watch
games and just give game to, everybody not just The
carolina guy that do guy give game to us to
tell us all what we need to work, on tell
us about the, league and just be walk around the,
gym just be real. Ogs AND i think that's some
of the stuff that's missing in today's TODAY'S nba today
is just a culture of. Basketball just they asking for.
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Nothing they just give a game that the old heads
and the ogs gave. Them and that's WHY i got
a lot of love for guys like stack And, rashid.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Just veteran culture and how the game has just passed.
On why do you think you're seeing less and? Less
you know WHAT i? Mean obviously vets are getting a
little bit younger and they're still trying to figure. IT
i feel like that may be one thing, too the
vets are still trying to figure out their own, journey
right because they're coming into the league so so early
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that they're not even seasoned with experience enough to pass that.
Along but, also do you feel like a lot of
older guys are being say pushed, out but the roster,
spots spots are being you know kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
THING i think it's a trickle now.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Effects so we're in the stage now where like you
got guys and the vests didn't really have vets themselves
to teach them the way to do, it so they
don't have an example of how you should pass on
game to the younger guys because they didn't have that.
Themselves the second thing is, like, guys aren't the league
getting younger and they're always trying to replace? YOU i
mean it's always been the, case but it's even worse.
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Now so guys aren't necessarily as secure and then and
who they are as players and in their spots to
want to help and give. Game, Right, Guys i'm competing
even young guy come in and they're on your, Team
you're supposed to be helping them, out get get actimated
to the. League you're competing with that guy with that,
spot because as soon as he's good enough or close
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to good enough as, you you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know they can get you out of.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
There and they can because they could pay him less
or whatever because he's. Younger, Right so, YEAH i think
that's two main reasons is and why the vets are
kind of getting pushed out and the right things are
being taught in the locker. Room AND i think that
to come, back you GOTTA i THINK i saw On
twitter the other day like this might be a good,
idea but you. MIGHT i feel like every team has
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to have a spot or two for a guy that's
a ten year PLUS vet that's just good for the
league no matter. What like even these young teams with
a bunch of, eighteen nineteen twenty year, olds you need
a guy in of the, bitch even though he might
not play every. Night you need a guy that's going
to show them the right way to, work the right
way to act.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
On and off the.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Floor that's a ten plus YEAR vet that knows the
game and can be secure and helping these guys.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Out, Man i've been around the league so long THAT
i got a chance to be Around Cliff. Robinson that's
the piece And Kirk. Thomas. Right so these dudes usually
like tell, us we would be, Hyped, hey we're about
to go. OUT i want to do, This nah sick
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son out young, fellas you got this?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Person you, know it's, funny, Man i'm a lot of
these guys we talked about who like they were the
big and power, forward like this is the context we,
have but like most of them were power, forwards which is.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
IRONIC i don't they protected.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
It they literally ironically protected the young guys who happened
to be, guards you know WHAT i, mean someone really
think About think about you dribbling and a guy pressing
you full court and you, like, hey set the. Screen
he usually the guy laying, you laying them, out you
know WHAT i, mean really having your, back AND i.
DON'T i don't know if it's a lot of those
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you know WHAT i, mean big fellas you, know but
now it's a lot of younger big fellas, too you
know WHAT i, MEAN i don't even think There, again
maybe that is the thing they're transitioning out to a
point where everybody not only doing the same, thing or
it's seemed that like, yo you're not even there to
set screens no. More you're not there to just be
active in the, paint just to even just be those
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those roads are, diminishing you know What i'm. Saying it's
it's just what how many points can you add to
this team Versus? Yo you just made us. Tough, yo
you just did the little, thing you know WHAT i? Mean, Like,
hey get out of my. Paint these seven rebounds is.
MIND i don't even know if them conversations are still
being had because guards are coming down getting nine, rebounds ten,
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rebounds getting their triple, doubles their double, doubles and it's
just a different. Conversation, YEAH i think gms and teams
got to reward these guys for doing these things, though.
Too they feel, like, yeah if you're just a connector
screen set up, rebound they feel like they can replace
you easily, too instead of having you hang around and
coming to your own on that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Team and when new guys come in telling them the
way that the organization should be. Run that's, WHY i,
MEAN i think that's why he has had a good
run with, You donna's has. Them even though he wasn't
playing every night in his last few years and he got,
older he knew the right way to go about, things
and he kept rewarding him for being that guy in
the locker, room for being. Unselfish AND i think that's
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a blueprint the team should.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Follow look at the success of The Indiana. Pacers James.
Johnson that's. True he don't play. Much he may get
in a blowout game side of, reach you know WHAT i,
mean in those.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Situations but AND i saw a quote Carl they got
around trade deadline and the media Asked, carlile, like what
y'all gonna do With James.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Johnson he's not, playing gonna trade on With. CARLA i was,
like he's.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Secure he, here he ain't going, nowhere because we need
him just as much as we Need Haller burton And Myles.
Turner we Need James johnson for different.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Reasons, well when you when you look at most of
those when they interview quote unquote the, stars and they,
say man the, leadership it's always the unsung, hero the
guy that didn't, play that's the most, vocal that's getting
up every. Day you, know you played With Todd, gibson
you know what it is On, HEY i gotta get
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up every. Day i'm here working out All i'm on
the bike after the, game even THOUGH i didn't even
touch the. Floor, Hey i'm you, know staying being a
pro because they're showing the model of, it you know
WHAT i. Mean you gotta you get to them year, elevens,
year you, know year. Fourteens you know you're not about
to see them any. Minutes you just staying ready at this,
point but you got to keep it going and just the.
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Mentality SO i think that's just The vet. Conversation that's
just a whole another part in, itself and we're going
to the Greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Vets it's this bump right, here because it's the stuff
that the fans don't really.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Understand they don't get to see behind the. Scenes.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Absolutely MAN i Mentioned. Weber Chris weber obviously played with them, good,
great great Great Sacramento kings. Teams obviously he was the
young guy coming in When barkley was, dominating And barkley
had never seen nothing like. Him and when you really
hear about those conversations of who players looked Up Sea,
web it's usually that. Guy but in the shadows Of
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Tim duncan And Kevin, garnett it's just you run into
these type of, guys as you, mentioned some tickets are already.
Punched and sometimes you, know when you look at, IT
i remember the, conversation should See webb be A hall
Of And i'm, like of, course but then you gotta
go look at how do you get? In it took
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him a minute to get in because there was a
conversation five time all? Start is that? Enough and you,
know for for a decade, Plus, bro he was he
was killing back to the basket, man one of the best, passers,
skilled you know WHAT i, Mean like he had to
swag when you really think about, it you, know and
and not only he's A Basketball hall Of famer because
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what he done With, michigan you know What i'm, saying
and other contributions to the. League, Man so he was.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Consistent and four, like that's what he's gonna give. You
like you, said back to the, basket you can run
the offense through him at the elbow because he can shoot,
it he can pass it through the, floyd he can
bring it, up he can rebound and bring it up
just enough.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
To where he can start the.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Offense for you, See webb is a like it's like you,
said he's he's overshadowed all these Great fowards that he played.
Against but he he wasn't no. Scrub he was going
toe to toe with The lakers and almost knocked them
off a couple of.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Times. Yeah, Absolutely, again you run into them, teams, man
and that's the story for most of these. Guys Sean Mary,
dude when we talk About draymond and modern Day Sean
marion has to get some, love, Man LIKE i would
love to Have Sean marion as one of our guests
because he's six. Seven he played power. Forward he that's
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one of the most unorthodox shooting forms that we possibly
could think. Of but, again for a guy to go
get double doubles in a power forward era at, that mind,
you he's in two thousands in a power forward, era, leading, competing,
defending doing what you needed them to. Do we talked
about how special Those sons teams, were but again they
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ran into Those San Antonio spurs And Los Angeles lakers
and sometimes couldn't cut. It but he finally got anyone with.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Dirt, yeah he was you know WHAT i, Mean Swiss Army.
Knights he could do it like he's that kind of
to me kind of similar today's age Power forward where
he gonna he can guard any position on the, floor
more versatile one a great. Shooter was shot it enough
And i'm saying the way you can spread the floor
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so he can stand out there at the three point
line and you have to guard. Him, yeah he was
a but and another guy who was just ALL iq,
man just a smart player and unselfish on both.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
ENDS i mean the matrix. Man you gotta be cold
to have that type of, nickname but also too man
when you really think, about you, know like his his,
presence man like overall just being able to to set
up you mentioned he could play in this this. Era
like If i'm A Bruce, brown If i'm those that,
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Archetype i'm Watching Sean marion because of how effective he.
Was you know What i'm, saying you get so much
of a bang for your, book because, yeah, yep, yep
that's another but even even For aaron ag ag. Sixteen
so it's like he kind of. Fitted but like if
you like six,' six you Know what, i'm saying you,
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six eight you kind of hovering that line of Almost
small ford modern Day. Small ford IT'S like i don't
shoot the ball, that WELL but i can, YOU know
i can Do that i'm still strong ENOUGH and i
can make READS and i. Can Pass sean mary is
The person i'm probably watching, the most you KNOW what,
i mean because he played effective ball and he Was An.
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All STAR like, i said it, wasn't, like oh, you
know Four Time, all star Two TIME all nba and
a champ who doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Be, That yeah i'm wrolling.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
With, that, Yeah Okay, germaine ohio we mentioned powerful, university
alumni Six Time, all star Three TIME All Nba, Most
improved another high school guy who's drafted so soon that
like a lot of, older guys just kind of gave
him the. Cod shoulder he's still trying to figure, it
out you KNOW what. I mean played For that. Pacers
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team hopefully he get his jersey And the raptors, with
them but just he's Bossed before bosh, for, ME okay
i mean like he's Boshed before bosh because he could spread.
That floor he started getting more comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
His center is he a center or? Power forward like.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
He's a tweiner, O'Neill now BECAUSE he's i think earlier on. His,
career yeah maybe early in. His career he was definitely
a power For.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
The. Pacers years he was a he was a power
for it because they, you know they still had some
guys that they were using in. That mix and then
you know when he got To the warriors and even
more at his, heat years, he, was hey we can
kind of slide, you down you KNOW what, i mean
to be That five and he had no problem doing that,
as well you KNOW what, i mean because HE he
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i hear so many great Stories about jo being A
great vet around that, year fifteen, Year seventeen like how
instrumental he was in the, Locker room like they.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
First saying i'm just Talking to steph one his years With,
the warriors the want of his. Favorite teammates he's one
of those hold it down the locker room will come
in play twelve to, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Be solid BUT like, i said.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
He was a vet being, around him holding. Everybody accountable
had a ton of experience by the time he got
over There To golden state later in, his career and
he was all, about winning trying to win. Those championships,
So yeah jao, was Young young jo skilled as it
gets twenty and ten, every night and that shows you
the coach of the league back, there too with twin
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towers like you could play two centers kind of like
you was put them both on. The, block bang you
could just up your physicality as. A team as long
as one of them could shoot from, fifteen feet it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Could work and our Last guy i'm gonna give a
nod To Was elton brand before. The injuries man eb
just really like that man with the clippers and then,
you know doing this thing with, the bulls you KNOW what.
I mean like he did a lot of work for.
His size he wasn't a, big guy but one of
those twenty and. Ten guys man that just that just
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really just just, locked in you KNOW what. I mean
and obviously he's been in the front office position more
than he's. Playing NOW but.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I don't want to breeze by my Dude guy brand,
like this like, he was he was a problem. Long, career,
yeah no, absolutely quiet subtle but like dominant like after
twenty twenty four, and ten like twenty and ten machine
bro like. He was he was a problem six seven at,
six seven like like big thicks and skilled at the,
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same time HE was i mean low post score like protected.
The rim was a good shot blocker at, That size
like you got to show him some.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Love too. HE might i don't give. IT away i
think he in my. Top five i'm rolling.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
With, IT okay i, LOVE it i. LOVE it i.
Love it problem, he was he was on the borderline
a haul of. VERY good i wanted to make sure
that we shouted. Him out you Know what. I'M saying
i just know that there's some like, some locks just
like how you mentioned as far as, you know. Punching guys,
but again the beauty about the beauty about the top
five is that you get your. PERSONAL picks i.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Got a COUPLE of i don't know mentions too that
we got to. Talk about because this this era was
like loaded with. Power forwards you could. Hoop right so
You Got. Zach randolph we didn't even get.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
TO him i was gonna say twenty ten, just because.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But yeah he got some good two thousands years.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
He got we got Some good Portland stuff Portland And
new york.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
For Sure, Antoine jamison yes he is he two thousands
problem tweeter.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
TO me i still STILL still i still feel like
he has some strong small forty years and his power
forty years were like where he. Very crafty he's.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
A crash he could do it Move On kenyan martin,
two thousand number.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
One pick. YOU can't i Like.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
K mart I.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
LIKE kmart i. AIN'T mad i Like k mart Like
a is he a Baby Of? Mars Statamar?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Like NOAH because i mean the, THING is. I don't
i don't want To say kmart had many. POST moves
i felt like he was. MORE aerial i felt like
he was more. Defense first if he if he did
get the he didn't get many actions called for him
as far as like actual creates, creating things but like
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hustle man like setting. Them, up YEAH j k put
him in the best position. To, win absolutely does he
Possess that as far as what he could, have, DID
absolutely i just think that he just stuck with what he.
Did BEST so i don't want to just like draw
the line and say he. WASN'T skilled i just think
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that for his success rate playing with the point guards,
he had they put him in the. Best position that
that that made him who.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
He was and last one in, the mentions, uh car
those bulls. Are late he's a twiner late. TWO thousands
i like bo But, in, utah yes he was one
of the best in.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
THE league I like boobs again when you when you talk.
About gradings BUT like, I said i. RESPECT it i
respect it on a mentions because we're tipping. Our hats
we're basically tipping our hats to the work that. They
did it's just hard to be Even, at stephen pull up.
A chair the cafeteria is full, Right now dot he got.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
The plate i'm just covering all. My, bases man somebody.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Man, shout out shout outs to all the. Duke guys
you KNOW what. I mean but the cafeteria, is full
you KNOW what. I mean he might have to go
sit in another room on the outside, of, wait man
because all the seats. Is taken but the, power forwards
you KNOW what. I mean but respect to all. Those
guys they all. Did work they are respected by. Their peers,
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you know this Is a this is a place where
you get, the love you KNOW what, i mean and
you get the debate and if you, feel differently come
join the part so that you can stay. Your case
so why you deserve to be in to sit at
that sitting in the cafeteria with. The goats, all, Right
man we're gonna take a, quick break but when we,
come back this is gonna be a very interesting, top
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FIVE and i can't wait to.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Hear it, it's hurt, all right got, we're.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Back man we you know you're talking about these, dude
guys you talking about these, you know all these. OTHER
people i, was, really really really excited to hear your,
top five man of the greatest power for it to the. Two, Thousands,
man like this is gonna be a very tough one.
For me let's.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Get it i'm gonna, go first.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
NUMBER five i kind of gave it through it out,
there Already but i'm doing love for the, dude guys,
The brotherhood elton brand my number, five quiet it's kept
just solid throughout the, two thousands like twenty And ten
machine can give to you on the, block undersized, but
like couldn't nobody guard him in? This era nobody and
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he guarded AND like, i said he was a shot,
Blocker too so don't. Branded five. Number Four. CHRIS webber
i love, his, game skilled going TOTALLY like, i said
going told to Sold with Shaq and kobe And.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And, SACRAMENTO man i wanted him to win.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
So Bad But chris webber at my, number four and
then my top three is the BIG three kg, at
three one of my Favorite teammates dirk at Two And
tim duncan. At, one like that's just that's just the
high quality power forward play.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Right, THERE yeah i ain't mad, at, it man that's that's. That's.
Commendable man i'm Gonna go she. At, Five okay i'm
really rolling with she shots. To she he definitely deserves.
A Nod see web. At, FOUR yeah kg, At Three
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tim duncan. Had one you.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
SHOCKED me i thought you were GONNA go, Kg TWO
like i think most people WOULD have Kg two. Dirk
three BUT we i think we're in the same pain
as far as winning that Chip in dallas at home.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
As little to.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Your resume that Was our that was our. Early conversation
that just kind of just, you know it was the.
Build up it wasn't. The obvious it wasn't the. Obvious
thing so for our listeners to get to that point,
AND say i knew he was gonna put him, At, two,
like nah it. WASN'T that i really as we were talking,
ABOUT it i just had time to just, process, it
Right and i'm, just like, you, know no NOT. TO
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kg kg probably could have won one if he Stayed,
in minnesota you KNOW what. I mean i just, think that,
you know with exhaustion of like frustration of getting, knocked
out was his team's? Good enough he had one With
spree Well and cassel And The serbia acts Of, the
World the google OTAs the list. Goes on but, You
know dirk sticking, It out dirk having, you know maybe,
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tier three tier two teammates going through the run that
he went through is. Super commendable and that's just one of,
the hardest, you know HARDEST chips i have ever seen
in my, you know in my in my. Basketball LIFE
so i just had to tip my hat to. That
MAN so i definitely, had to, you know pay homage to,
that one and that might shake.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
The tables it's one of, the toughest toughest TOP fives
i had to put together because obviously You Got tim
dirk kg, in there but what order they're gonna. GO
in i had to think about other people gonna have some.
Other opinions and in the four, to five, IT'S like
i feel like, it's, six seven eight names that could
be in that four.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Or, five oh, it's interchangeable, because again do you, go
personal do you really think about it about who the,
respect level, you KNOW what, i, MEAN like i like
that you threw eb in there just because of, his
size mentioned about his, defensive ability you KNOW what? I
mean like what? He, like again his size plays a
huge role BECAUSE if i was to, BE greedy i
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probably would Have Added sean marry. Into, that yeah you
Know what. I'm SAYING if i DO five A, Five
B sean marion definitely deserves a nod just because of
the size and the things that he was able, to
accomplish you KNOW what?
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I mean and, THEN yeah, i say then he did
it at the highest level then in the Playoffs in Phoenix,
and dallas and we ain't talk about power and that
top five who did IT In la it's some NAMES
that i know some listeners going to be having that
top five and disagree.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
With, us yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Welcome it make sure you you you at the goat
POD on x and push back as much as. You
can we love to debate and hear why y'all claim
this person is, you know, top five uh and one
of the greatness of. That era, all, right man we're
gonna take another break and when we, come back we're
gonna go over our, favorite topic the. Wrong era, All,
(51:29):
Right dot i'm gonna just kick. Things off man born
in the. WRONG era i, Mentioned It, Rashie, wallace yeah
too easy shoot the three, two well shoots with, the
left shoots it with. The right match your problem on
the low block easily. Twenty ten guy in this era gonna,
talk cash probably gonna have, a swag lean into the social.
(51:49):
Media stuff, he gonna, you know be a hot commodity
because he's gonna get, them texts you KNOW what, i mean,
you know but he gonna be able to back, It
up that's, the thing. You KNOW and i just think
that he just benefits the most out of, this error
just because, you know just, the skill the skill.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Work skills the switchable defender. He can it's range and.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Modern science gonna work in. His favor you Know what.
I'm saying he's not getting suspended for we not, you
know just, being honestly not getting suspended.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
For that he loved the NEW.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Cb, a yeah all all this new stuff is all
working in. His, Favor man he's. Not losing he, got
endorsements the ball, don't lie the campaign is out. Of
here everything just checks off.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
The box he was before his time when it came.
To that who you got my born in the. WRONG
era i Got. LAMAR odom i don't even know if
he talked, about him but.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
He was he was on, mentioned.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Born around he was playing in today's age with his
skill set as a, point forward you Know what. I'm
saying he could bring the, ball up running your offense,
for you and then positionally like your guard that he
can guard a lot, of positions play a lot of positions,
on offense and you can just fit him into, any offense,
any team wherever you want them. To be and that's
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kind of like the mold that a lot of people
are looking for, today's game like he's the model power
forward that can play your three if you, need to
or play.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
You FIVE so i low is.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
My, Guy hey i'm not mad. At that pick, love it.
Love Love the goods again. Made ADJUSTMENT they i think
they used him at every possible position you possibly could.
Think of, you know he played a, little point he
played a, little three play, some four play, some five
the utility, guys man one of the unsung heroes man
(53:41):
and are really Rocking With goods man. For sure that's
one of the, you know the. Underrated people so this
has been, a, fun fun. Fun conversation obviously we got
a subtopic out. Of veterans we could have spent another
two hours on man and hopefully, we can, you know
do the greatest veterans of the era conversation man in.
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The future, but man this is this has been a.
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Think about you dribbling and a guy pressing you full
court and you like, hey, set the screen. He usually
the guy laying them out, you know what I mean,
really having your back. And I don't know if it's
a lot of those you know what I mean, big fellas.
Now it's a lot of younger big fellas too, you
know what I mean, I don't even think there again,
maybe that is the thing. They're transitioning out to a
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point where everybody not only doing the same thing, or
it's seemed that, like, Yo, you're not even there to
set screens no more. You're not there to just be
active in the paint, just to even just be Those
roads are diminishing, you know what I'm saying. It's just
how many points can you add to this team versus Yo?
You just made us tough. Yo, you just did the
(00:43):
little things, you know what I mean, Like, hey, get
out of my paint. These seven rebounds is mine. I
don't even know if them conversations are still being had
because guards are coming down getting nine rebounds, ten rebounds,
getting their triple doubles, their double doubles, and it's just
a different conversation. Welcome back to another episode. The greatest
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of their era.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
What up, Doc Trade? What up?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What up? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Got another week? Another episode? Got a good topic for today,
right man?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We got a great topic for today. Man, greatest power
forwards are the two thousands, and there was a lot
of bump on that block.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was it was this is like the golden age
of power forwards. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
From top to bottom you had this point of league.
Every team had a solid power forward you could go to,
and some of the greatest ones of all time was
playing in the two thousands. So it's gonna be fun
to dive into this topic and break down who with
a goat to the era?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah? Would you say that this era was like taking
a lot of the post players off the block and
kind of taking them beyond twenty feet and spreading the
floor and showing a little bit more versatility. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Absolutely, It's like it's kind of extinct these type of
powards that are playing in the two thousands. Like today,
you look out there in the league and that position
is not really there anymore. I feel like now in
the league you either have a small ball center. So
if you're a power for you either a small ball
center or you're like a wing. So like I think
the main three things that change from that era to
(02:18):
now is one, I think the archetype. The body types
of the guys playing back then we're completely different. It's
usually bigger, stronger, physical power forwards. You either like six'
eight to seven foot with huge. Bodies now it's more
like lean skin of your. Type guys that are playing
the four like kind of like three four LIKE i,
Said or if you're a bigger, guy you're like a.
(02:39):
Center other thing was like the role the role of
the guys in the league, now like with the spread
out offense and trying to get more shooting out. There
it's not you're not dumping it down to your power
forwards and having them play. Iceo and back to the. Basketball,
now if you're a, four you gotta spread the, floor
give your main your playmaker, space or you got to
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be like a you know What i'm, saying a physical defensive.
Guy so you got to get more of a more
of a specialist before in the last thing is because
of the roles and the archetype, change the skill set
of these guys have, changed, Right so it's like now
you got to you gotta be a more of a,
shooter you know What i'm.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Saying, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i. Mean and also when you really
think about you go through a lot of statistics and
accolades and things of that, nature you're, saying who was,
Better like a lot of guys didn't get a chance
to start On All star. TEAMS a lot of guys
didn't get a chance to Be ALL nba because it
was so, competitive specifically in The, west you know WHAT i,
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mean at that powerful, position you know WHAT i. Mean
so it was kind of like a heavy, debate you
know WHAT i. Mean like we talked About dirk, nowhiskey
one of your former teammates. Highly but then when you
think about the powerful, position you got to talk About
Tim duncan And Kevin. Garnett sometimes it's ONE, a ONE.
B so let's kick things off With Tim. Duncan, man
like see A hall Of, famer won three of his
(04:02):
five titles in the two, thousands you, know won two
MVPs during that, decade fifteen Time All. STAR i, mean
the accolades go. Along the big fundamental was really like,
that and you, know arguably when the conversations are, happening
people say he's one of the greatest power for us
of all.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Time, yeah he was really the gold stander at the
fourth position for something once he stepped foot in the.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
League from day, one he was that guy at the powerful.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Position and this kind of shows, you like who the
powerful was back in the, day because right now he's
and even later on his career he was a. Center
SO i mean a lot of guys at this position
played with another traditional five, man so it was like
a four or five man the twin towers down there
holding holding the paint. Down And Tim duncan, WAS i,
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mean the big, fundamental like you, said had it all
on offense and. Defense and if he's on your on your,
roster you got the chance to win the.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Championship almost kind of consider him modern Day Bill, russell,
right you know WHAT i, mean because like even when
you think about, it he's so committed to, winning, Right
he's so committed to the. System, now obviously he flirted With.
Orlando we gotta, get we, got you, know we gotta.
Get you fought along here to talk about that one.
Day but the idea Of Tim duncan on The Eastern,
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conference what he would have, done like we always, say,
hey there's more skilled players Or, hey he didn't scored
like this and, That BUT i just think that he
just bought into the system so much that he cared about.
Winning and most of those guys are part of Those
spurs teams sacrificed a lot of their game for the
greater good Of you bring.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Up a good point, because like it's, hypothetical BUT i
wonder what would happen if he went to a different,
team because he kind of got drafted to a good
team already a solid. Team they had an off year
BECAUSE i Think David robinson got hurt the year before
which allowed him to get that number one. Pick but
he came into a system with, pop with other. Vets
with a guy Like David, robinson we learn from how
to be a. Pro if he goes to A i
(06:03):
don't know That orlando or a younger, team is he
that same type of?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Guy know What i'm? Saying is he that?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Professional is he that that? Leader that that he that
we all know? Him Ut as, now like situation plays
a lot into, it and obviously he made the most
of his.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Situation speaking of, Situation Kevin, Garnett hall Of, famer high school,
Graduate you know WHAT i, mean came traits the league
when this was a very old, league you know WHAT i,
Mean they really wasn't rocking with young guys like. That
and he came in and did his. Thing uh won
his first only title in eight fifteen Times All Star
(06:41):
Defensive player of The. Year probably one of the best
defensive players we've seen in the game, too because you
know he can guard top to. BOTTOM o THREE mvp In.
Minnesota what do you have to say ABOUT? Kg he
was one of my favorite players that that was non
guard at that time coming out of the. League, man
he had it. All. Man he could, Dribble, yeah he
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can post. Up he had a sweet jump, Shot like,
Man ticket was really like.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That WHEN i think OF, KG i think it's like
how fierce a competitive he. Was like when he's out
there on the, floor you could see it all over his,
face his body, language the way he, talked how bad
he wanted to, win how much he loved to, compete
and obviously he had the skill set to go with.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It he could do everything on both ends of the.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Floor obviously wanted that ONE mvp Winning Defensive player of The,
year one of the best defenders to ever step foot
on the. Floor and then the offensive skills. Set it's
nothing he couldn't. Do like he could, shoot he could
pass back to the, basket you know What i'm, saying
could play one on one and you see remember those
clips when he was. YOUNG i think you got an
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old like you think a lot of people who would
just watch him later on his career With boston when
he went back To, minnesota like he was a little slow.
Down he just kept a simple jab, shot pick and.
Pop but when he was, young he was getting to.
It he was he was playing one on. One he
can handle athletics. Allgether kind of reminded me of like Young.
Shaq people don't realize how athletic and Young shack. WAS
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kg got those same type of.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Qualities, yeah, absolutely AND i mean, again you. Stick you,
know these these are the type of, vets the type
of you, know, professionals the type Of hall of. Famers
they found out what worked for, them they stuck with,
It they mastered it and became the game's. Best they
didn't try to be anything outside of what they. Did
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obviously they owned those. Skills Like shack probably could have
been taking mid range jump, shots but it would have
been like a. Disadvantage you get What i'm, Saying, Like
i'm sure defenses will be, like, Whoof, like all, right
we ain't got a bang with this. Dude he's bailing
us out because he wants to prove that he can
do more than what he's great, at you know WHAT i.
Mean that's why that's the CONVERSATION i have About gianni's
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is like he's kind of helping everybody, out trying to
prove that he has more than what he. Possesses because
if he you know that that the year that he
actually he you, know went on those m V p
chaars was because he was inside, out you know WHAT i,
mean like and it was hard for people to you,
know guard. Him but once he tried to prove that
he had a, three you, know you're gonna miss some more,
(09:11):
Shots you're gonna take some plays. Off it's a it's
a little different. Man so this is kind of. Interesting
but you, KNOW i never Thought Kevin gardner got the
best Of Tim. DUNCAN i think he was more favorite
just because his personality won outside Of Tim duncan.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And his game was more.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
FLASHY i rather, watch even though he might not be
better Than.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tim i'd rather WATCH kg on a nightly, basis, Right, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yep he had the, Story he had the you, know
the cool shoes, screaming he talking before the. Game he
may use some, profanity you know WHAT i, mean he Will, Okay,
yeah HAS kg Any HAS kg said anything to you
during your junior.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Playing ABSOLUTELY i might have played against him for a
year two WHEN i got in the, League but absolutely
it wasn't nobody that was hid FROM kg when you
stepped on that, floor especially a young dude who he
didn't he didn't fully respect yet it didn't know much
about he was gonna test.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You AND.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I just remember being out there like he would get
he give me on the. Switch he talking before he
even get the, ball like he, talked and then when
he catches you probably talking. More and it WAS i
mean it. Was it's kind of like a right of
passes where you get in the league to get on
the floor with a guy LIKE. Kg same thing With Tim.
Duncan you just like you watch them and you kind
of got that reverence for, them but being out there
(10:34):
on the, floor or do you understand that poise and
what they bring to the. Flight Tim duncan is the
opposite of A. Kg he's not gonna say a, word
but he gonna he gonna dominate you just as, much
just with his his skill set and cutting you up
on it on the. Floor BUT i, mean it, WAS i.
Was that's one of those things you get in the.
League you can't wait to get on the floor with
some of these.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Guys, YEAH i, Mean i'm pretty sure it's surreal like
the movie Like, mike And you're looking and its just, like,
oh this is really. Them and NOW i got to
kind of lock in Because i'm a part of this,
Now like it's no longer watching ON, tv it's no
longer playing on the video. Game i'm out here with.
Them and IF i don't do What i'm supposed to,
Do i'm gonna go to that bench or it's gonna
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be a long.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Night you can't be, scared Can't you can't be. Scared
you got to meet it with, force especially a guy LIKE.
Kg he probably like it and respect him. More if
you do talk back to, him you score on and
you say something to him, afterwards you might slow down
a little bit and show you some love. Afterwards BUT
i want to circle back to your point about the
mid range and these guys being able to shoot the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Off the ball like they could, have like you, said
they could have took a couple of.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Steps back and shot a few more, threes worked on
their game like they mastered that mid. Range AND i
mean that shows you the style of playback. Then but
also even a guy like Who Gonna Get it to
next In Dirt Dirt, dirt he's one of the best
shooters that ever stepped foot on the. Floor even he
was taking three four threes a, game he. Wasn't you
weren't forcing, It and so that shows these guys have
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been fine in today's league playing the stretch, five playing the,
four spreading the, floor shooting. Threes really their skills set
allowed them to do whatever they wanted to out.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
There.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah. ABSOLUTELY i mean it's all about, adjustment. Man what
you have to add to your. Game you, know every,
year like right, now you're working on your. Game you're
looking at ways to be, better you, know how to.
Improve new moves are being, developed new rules have been
changed to kind of benefit the, player and you adjust over.
Time the game is a. Justice since you've been in the,
league you know WHAT i, mean ten plus, years so
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you can kind of understand what it would be like
to change your game if you played in another era of, Like,
okay this is a style of PLAY i gotta adjust,
to and this is HOW i need to show. Up so,
honestly this is a hot. Take by the, Way Dirk
nowitzky has to move up probably number two because of you,
(12:55):
know his journey and him doing it with one team
and him doing it with like you, know it's not
Against it's not a knock On Kevin, garnet But Kevin
garnett finally got over the hump With Paul pierson, reality
And dirk just kind of just stuck it. Out you.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Know that's part of The, yes that guy when he
won the, championship he was the main.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Guy he. Was he was the guy leading the. CHARGE.
Kg you can't say the same ABOUT i, mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Like he rolled with, Yeah, Paul, Yeah ray even A
rondo was better than anybody That dirk had on the
squad doing those runs and so like that mean, you
like you, said obviously doing it on both. ENDS kg
did more on both. Ends he's he was that dominant
defensive player too with the. Offense BUT i got love
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for for What dirk did sticking it out In, dallas
not complaining when he didn't have the rosters.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Or when he was, buying felt like he was by.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Himself it's just different when you were At homegrown and
he went it at Home it just is like it
not that that's part of the.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Story it was one of the toughest.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Roads it's also one of the toughest. Roads he had
to go through a lot of people to get, it
you know WHAT i. Mean and for him to beat
That miami, Team LIKE i JUST i look at it just, differently,
Man like you, know it's not about you, know, quantity
it's about quality for me on that, One AND i
just think that you, know shouts at the individual. Accolades
(14:26):
yes he's A hall Of. Famer yes he's a twelve
Time ALL nba, guy you know WHAT i. Mean yes
he could you, know top three IN mvp. Voting you
know What i'm, SAYING mvp. Winner it's gonna happen when
you you, know you had these type of, teams you get.
Good but, overall like you, mentioned he's one of the
best shooting bigs of all. Time but just that loan
(14:46):
road of, like, HEY i had great players that suited
up alongside. Me but they weren't Like hall Of fame.
Teammates he had The Michael finlings of the. World he
had The Steve nashville or even during that championship Run
Karan butler tears at a Clun.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
They weren't in that. Prime they were later.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
On these are like the ghost of some of these,
guys and he he maximized what they.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Do, yep, absolutely. Man so you know when we start
talking about our top, five man can get real. Interesting
you know when WHEN i When i'm bringing my team. Up,
Man Chris, bosh let's talk About Chris. Bosh. Uh you
know we Mentioned dirk. Nowhiskey Chris bosh was part of
The Big three In miami before he was with The
Big three With Toronto. Raptors he was a twenty ten
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guy before going over there and signing With. Miami AND
i feel, like you, know although he's A hall Of,
famer his season was cut short due to health. Issues
probably could have did way, More probably could have added
way more to the, resume could have helped many other,
teams and it's unfortunate how it went. Down but he still.
Decorated what do you have to say About Chris. BOSH
(15:54):
i know he gets like when we talk about big three,
stuff people always try to kick him in the back
and make you see like he wasn't good, man.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That he was.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Nice he was a top five six player in the
league when he went To, miami like he was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Legit he was a.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Problem and you look At Chris bos's career and that's
kind of like that shows you the evolution of the
power forward, position because when he was In, toronto he
was a legit power. Forward he was a guy you
could throw two on the block at the. Elbow he
was shooting a lot of mid. Ranges he was a power.
Forward when he went To miami and the league kind
of changed and bron and D wade needed more, space
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and that's the way the whole league was. Going where
he could he that had the transits to like a stretch,
five to make that team work and to go the
way the league was, going or he probably would, have
you know What i'm, saying career would have won a different,
way or the team wouldn't have been as.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Good so he made that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Adjustment he, started you know What i'm, Saying he started
spreading the, floor started playing the five, more stopped posting
up as, much started spreading the, floor and that that
he was kind of like the What Kevin love ended
up being for The Cleveland he was, like, yeah he
would have.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Been he was that four or, five but he kind
of just spread the floor for those.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Guys and it's LIKE i, said it's all about skill
set with, him but he could he could post, up shoot,
it past, it move and speak good enough on both
ends of the. Floor AND i, Mean Chris boston one
of the most underrated guys to this.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Day, YEAH i absolutely. Agree poll got. So, now remember
we talked about uh number one picks With Kwame. Brown
imagine If powell went number one that year and played with. Me,
YEAH i just think that nobody was willing to take
that chance yet on The european big h outside of,
(17:40):
dirt you know WHAT i, mean especially you Know paul
being In memphis at the time and then you, know
heading To Los angeles where you, know he got got
connected With Kobe bryant and you, know they became a great.
Tandem When powell actually got to The, lakers you, know
obviously the way mentions, it that's How big three even
(18:00):
kind of kicked off In miami because they felt like
those dudes were going to go on a three peat
and continue to.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Run they stole. Them first of, all he shouldn't even
been IN, la but coming in he was the fleece for.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah but pal like that's that's another example of the
twin towers him and buying them pals like a huge
four and you got buying him in. There he just
he had all the skills passed HIGH iq coming From,
europe like playing the right way and like he's he
was like he was like the perfect compliment to What
kobe needed at that, spot so that he could get
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on that. Elbow we could run the office through him
where you could pass it If kobe needed somebody else
to make some.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Plays and, UH i.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Mean he kind of took, Off LIKE i, said he
was a rookie of The year in two thousand and
two and In, memphis but he kind of took like,
said he took off when he got TO la and
got on the bright lights and started playing some playoff.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Basketball he was powers is another name that Might mike
sneak in that top.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Five, YEAH i, mean you, know and he was able
to ship that soft, title you know WHAT i mean
playing against Those celtics in the finals and and showing
up and playing, big you know WHAT i, mean because
a la media was killing. Him they was killing him
for a, minute man, like ah you scared you know? That?
Man and he has one PLAY i think where he
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like either catches the live or he dumped on somebody
and he just yet lets out his like emotion and was,
like oh he. Here he really liked, that you know
WHAT i. Mean and then he also went on to
play In chicago and still have some good years, man
and and and still do his. Thing. Man So Shouston
parkersol in the career he, had, man because he could
have easily fizzled out, man and kind of and went
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into that stereotype of you, Know european bigs being soft
and you, Know dirk being the lone guy that could
get it, done you know WHAT i. Mean like think
about The european, great, big big guys over sixteen that
we've gotten Since, dirk you know WHAT i, Mean you
got you, know you got the guy soul that That
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Marc gasol's, yout The jokich's you know WHAT i, mean The.
PERSINGERS a lot of dudes could have like a bunch
two years an out and and they and they stuck it.
Out so you know WHAT i, mean that's a testament
to their. Career, Uh stack man standing tall and talented.
Man funny thing about march stdam Marsh stdamar almost came
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to come To. Domingus he was about to play With
Tyson Chandler wow his senior. Year, yeah, man and something.
Happened i'm kind of glad it didn't, happen but it
would have been cool to watch, firsthand you know WHAT i,
mean as a sophomore in high, school because there was
so many guys trying to make our team and come
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to our. Campus AND i don't know if our school
would have been able to Handle. Stack i'm just not
a guy from you, know The East, coast just just ego,
WISE i don't even. KNOW i just don't know how
that would have, worked you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Mean But, uh he had a lot of a lot
came with, HIM a lot of baggers came with him
coming out of the into the draft and coming out
of high.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
School but.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He went to a new high school every, year went
to a new high school every. Year but, man once
he once he got to the, league, man he he
proved that he was forced to be reckoned with and
him and him And nash that pick and. Roll, obviously
six Time All, star five Time ALL. Nba, uh he
didn't win a. Title that's not really admire. Him that's the,
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knock you know WHAT i. Mean but like the good
thing about our pot, man we we we we show.
Love we respect what people, do you know WHAT i,
mean the craftsmanship of, it the actual you know things
because when you when you face these type of. People
and that's WHY i love when you and and and
our guests talk because you guys give us a real
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feel versus what our eyes show. Us sometimes the eyes,
lie you know WHAT i, mean when you're out there
on the, floor you know the true effect of how
strong somebody. Is you know what type of. Personality we
can't hear. It you, know it's like a whole separation
y'all doing the dance out there and the world just
watching y'all, dance you know WHAT i. Mean so it's
just a different perspective. It And maari played with, fears
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attacked the, rim he dunked on. Somebody it's just like you,
Know marbury got that one clip where he just like
does the frown if he dunked on somebody and it's
just still one of the nastiest dunks we've ever seen
in this.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
League the thing About mark so he was my WHEN
i got traded to The nets From. Philly uh for
half a year he was he was assistant over, there
SO i got to pick his brain a little. Bit
and like he's he don't have all the skills, Set
like he couldn't shoot as well some of the guys
we talked about past dribble he did what he, did
but his BASKETBALL q was. THERE i think he knew
when to slip into the. Pocket just talking to him
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and being around him about the. Game he knew when
to slip into the. Pocket he knew when the pot,
right he knew the angles to set the screens For
Steve nash to get. Downhill like that type of thing
allowed him to be as good as he, was along
with the athleticism obviously and then and the, mentality but
just allow him to do what he did without the
high skill set of the other power forwards in that.
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Era so JUST i, mean stat one of the smartest
Guys i've been. Around, like LIKE i, said being around
him as an assistant coach From. Brooklyn and that's another
thing about people's, Career like you don't they had some
really good. Teams they were really close to winning the,
championship like they were at, times a couple of breaks
don't go his. Way, see he don't win a championship
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if they.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Do get over that. Hump we're talking.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
About Mari steve and all Those suns teams in a different, light,
Right so, yeah the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Conversation is way. Different and they just changed the. GAME i, mean,
De'antoni Sean, Marion, may the list goes. On when you
think about those type of, rosters you know WHAT i.
Mean but sometimes you run into those great teams and
those great teams with The San Antonio spurs and The
Los Angeles. Lakers, yeah and you know WHAT i, mean, like,
hey you just. Can't you can't beat, them. Man and it's.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Unfortunately there's a lot of, PEOPLE i, mean they getting
that win that championship put you in a different, light
put you in a different class of. Players so you
got a March stid of mine and this next guy
we're gonna talk. About we got rashie people with nacket
homes not being a, winner skilled and talented as all
as anybody in the. League but he couldn't win until
he got to you know What i'm. Saying he got
The detroit got over that, hump and all of a
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sudden he one of.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
The best winners and leaders and were talking about him.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Differently, Now, yeah, man She man's that's my og. Man
she can shoot with both, hands could spread the. Floor
like we talked about boring in the wrong, era that's
one of the dudes for, sure like probably the face
of the born in The wrong. Girl, obviously it's criminally
underrated when you think about four Time All star just
because the politics of the, game right when you really
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think about who were in these, positions like she played
on The.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
West, yeah like it's penciled, in so you got it's
like the planing Of it's like playing the point guard
position in the twenty tens With Steph russ cp at.
It you, know those three gonna make The All Star. Game,
yeah that's that's a. Lock, yeah it ain't too many
positions that you go get. Here, Yeah tim kg, dirt
they make An All Star, Game so who getting the other.
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Spot it's a bunch of people fighting for those last
one or two.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Spots we're gonna take a quick, break but when we come,
Back i'm gonna share a story about me And Rashie
wallace talking about Power Forward. University the one thing THAT
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i want to shout out For Rashie wallace and uh
this is when he was on The Detroit pistons coaching.
Staff he mentioned to me how he got all his
young young guys paid and he called it power Forward. University.
Right he Had Zach, randolph he Had jermaine, O'Neill he
Had Meir, johnson Uh Andre, drummond Greg My row all
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these guys and he told the same. Thing do what you,
do find out what your strength is and do it
for the rest of your career at the advant and
you're gonna get. Paid trust, me every single one of
those guys got. Paid Once jermaine O'Neil got traded To
Indiana blossom, One Zach randolph got To Memphis, blossom him
going To detroit actually playing with a team and not saying.
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That you, know he didn't play on talented, teams because
That Portland Trove blazers team possibly could have went to the,
finals but ran into A Los Angeles lakers, team you
know WHAT i. Mean So it wasn't like he wasn't
on good. Teams it's just that sometimes you ran into
good teams that were just. Better when he got to
This detroit business team in the middle Of february after a,
trade like he got traded in To, atlanta didn't even show,
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up ended up getting redirected To. Detroit gets, there people
are still, Saying, HEY i don't know if it's gonna.
Work he's this type of. Player. Man he fit right right,
in didn't try to fight back him And Ben wallace
became one of the tough front Court Chauncey billups And
Rip hamilton and then you Got Tayshaun prince on the other,
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side like they probably one of the greatest defensive teams. Assemble,
man they shut down That lakers. Team people thought that
was gonna be an automatic win for The lakers when
they Got Gary payton And carmelong even though they was
on the back. End but you just felt like that
team was quote unquote stacked and they changed that whole.
Trajectory and then you Know rashie going over To boston
And New. York he still was. Contributing but, again you
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run it to them teams that you just can't beat
and that kind of was the story Of Rashie wallace's.
Career So i'm kind of glad that he was able,
to you, know win a ring because he still can
go and put his feet on the table and, talk
you know WHAT i, Mean because if he's on the
outside looking, in we may are talking about him like
in The March DoD, tomar we may talking about him
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like you, know The Chris, webers you know WHAT i,
mean who are all great, Players but you, know it's
just like you, mentioned the light is. Different the light
ain't shine that's. Bright the commercials ain't, rolling the shoes ain't,
kicking they ain't selling like they're supposed to, sell you
know WHAT i, Mean because that's how we rate talent
and how we rank people in this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
League, nah some people just deserve to get a.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Ring you that good a, Player you sacrifice the right,
amount you play long, enough like some people should deserve
to win to tight. Them rushi one of those guys
to talk about you brought up power for, You like
that's the culture THAT i grew up in around the
league with my dad playing in and like WHAT i
love so much about the league is the real he
like a real o G. Right he's always pouring into younger,
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people giving them. GAME i REMEMBER i was At duke
playing in the summer programs out THERE a AND. T
i think it wasn't a lot like The duke guys
would come play pick up and playing these summer prom.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Games The carolina guys would be in in.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Him And Stackhouse Rashida stackhouse would always come and watch
games and just give game to, everybody not just The
carolina guy that do guy give game to us to
tell us all what we need to work, on tell
us about the, league and just be walk around the,
gym just be real. Ogs AND i think that's some
of the stuff that's missing in today's TODAY'S nba today
is just a culture of. Basketball just they asking for.
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Nothing they just give a game that the old heads
and the ogs gave. Them and that's WHY i got
a lot of love for guys like stack And, rashid.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Just veteran culture and how the game has just passed.
On why do you think you're seeing less and? Less
you know WHAT i? Mean obviously vets are getting a
little bit younger and they're still trying to figure. IT
i feel like that may be one thing, too the
vets are still trying to figure out their own, journey
right because they're coming into the league so so early
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that they're not even seasoned with experience enough to pass that.
Along but, also do you feel like a lot of
older guys are being say pushed, out but the roster,
spots spots are being you know kind of.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
THING i think it's a trickle now.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Effects so we're in the stage now where like you
got guys and the vests didn't really have vets themselves
to teach them the way to do, it so they
don't have an example of how you should pass on
game to the younger guys because they didn't have that.
Themselves the second thing is, like, guys aren't the league
getting younger and they're always trying to replace? YOU i
mean it's always been the, case but it's even worse.
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Now so guys aren't necessarily as secure and then and
who they are as players and in their spots to
want to help and give. Game, Right, Guys i'm competing
even young guy come in and they're on your, Team
you're supposed to be helping them, out get get actimated
to the. League you're competing with that guy with that,
spot because as soon as he's good enough or close
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to good enough as, you you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know they can get you out of.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
There and they can because they could pay him less
or whatever because he's. Younger, Right so, YEAH i think
that's two main reasons is and why the vets are
kind of getting pushed out and the right things are
being taught in the locker. Room AND i think that
to come, back you GOTTA i THINK i saw On
twitter the other day like this might be a good,
idea but you. MIGHT i feel like every team has
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to have a spot or two for a guy that's
a ten year PLUS vet that's just good for the
league no matter. What like even these young teams with
a bunch of, eighteen nineteen twenty year, olds you need
a guy in of the, bitch even though he might
not play every. Night you need a guy that's going
to show them the right way to, work the right
way to act.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
On and off the.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Floor that's a ten plus YEAR vet that knows the
game and can be secure and helping these guys.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Out, Man i've been around the league so long THAT
i got a chance to be Around Cliff. Robinson that's
the piece And Kirk. Thomas. Right so these dudes usually
like tell, us we would be, Hyped, hey we're about
to go. OUT i want to do, This nah sick
(31:51):
son out young, fellas you got this?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Person you, know it's, funny, Man i'm a lot of
these guys we talked about who like they were the
big and power, forward like this is the context we,
have but like most of them were power, forwards which is.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
IRONIC i don't they protected.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
It they literally ironically protected the young guys who happened
to be, guards you know WHAT i, mean someone really
think About think about you dribbling and a guy pressing
you full court and you, like, hey set the. Screen
he usually the guy laying, you laying them, out you
know WHAT i, mean really having your, back AND i.
DON'T i don't know if it's a lot of those
(32:27):
you know WHAT i, mean big fellas you, know but
now it's a lot of younger big fellas, too you
know WHAT i, MEAN i don't even think There, again
maybe that is the thing they're transitioning out to a
point where everybody not only doing the same, thing or
it's seemed that like, yo you're not even there to
set screens no. More you're not there to just be
active in the, paint just to even just be those
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those roads are, diminishing you know What i'm. Saying it's
it's just what how many points can you add to
this team Versus? Yo you just made us. Tough, yo
you just did the little, thing you know WHAT i? Mean, Like,
hey get out of my. Paint these seven rebounds is.
MIND i don't even know if them conversations are still
being had because guards are coming down getting nine, rebounds ten,
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rebounds getting their triple, doubles their double, doubles and it's
just a different. Conversation, YEAH i think gms and teams
got to reward these guys for doing these things, though.
Too they feel, like, yeah if you're just a connector
screen set up, rebound they feel like they can replace
you easily, too instead of having you hang around and
coming to your own on that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Team and when new guys come in telling them the
way that the organization should be. Run that's, WHY i,
MEAN i think that's why he has had a good
run with, You donna's has. Them even though he wasn't
playing every night in his last few years and he got,
older he knew the right way to go about, things
and he kept rewarding him for being that guy in
the locker, room for being. Unselfish AND i think that's
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a blueprint the team should.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Follow look at the success of The Indiana. Pacers James.
Johnson that's. True he don't play. Much he may get
in a blowout game side of, reach you know WHAT i,
mean in those.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Situations but AND i saw a quote Carl they got
around trade deadline and the media Asked, carlile, like what
y'all gonna do With James.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Johnson he's not, playing gonna trade on With. CARLA i was,
like he's.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Secure he, here he ain't going, nowhere because we need
him just as much as we Need Haller burton And Myles.
Turner we Need James johnson for different.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Reasons, well when you when you look at most of
those when they interview quote unquote the, stars and they,
say man the, leadership it's always the unsung, hero the
guy that didn't, play that's the most, vocal that's getting
up every. Day you, know you played With Todd, gibson
you know what it is On, HEY i gotta get
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up every. Day i'm here working out All i'm on
the bike after the, game even THOUGH i didn't even
touch the. Floor, Hey i'm you, know staying being a
pro because they're showing the model of, it you know
WHAT i. Mean you gotta you get to them year, elevens,
year you, know year. Fourteens you know you're not about
to see them any. Minutes you just staying ready at this,
point but you got to keep it going and just the.
(35:08):
Mentality SO i think that's just The vet. Conversation that's
just a whole another part in, itself and we're going
to the Greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Vets it's this bump right, here because it's the stuff
that the fans don't really.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Understand they don't get to see behind the. Scenes.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Absolutely MAN i Mentioned. Weber Chris weber obviously played with them, good,
great great Great Sacramento kings. Teams obviously he was the
young guy coming in When barkley was, dominating And barkley
had never seen nothing like. Him and when you really
hear about those conversations of who players looked Up Sea,
web it's usually that. Guy but in the shadows Of
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Tim duncan And Kevin, garnett it's just you run into
these type of, guys as you, mentioned some tickets are already.
Punched and sometimes you, know when you look at, IT
i remember the, conversation should See webb be A hall
Of And i'm, like of, course but then you gotta
go look at how do you get? In it took
(36:06):
him a minute to get in because there was a
conversation five time all? Start is that? Enough and you,
know for for a decade, Plus, bro he was he
was killing back to the basket, man one of the best, passers,
skilled you know WHAT i, Mean like he had to
swag when you really think about, it you, know and
and not only he's A Basketball hall Of famer because
(36:29):
what he done With, michigan you know What i'm, saying
and other contributions to the. League, Man so he was.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Consistent and four, like that's what he's gonna give. You
like you, said back to the, basket you can run
the offense through him at the elbow because he can shoot,
it he can pass it through the, floyd he can
bring it, up he can rebound and bring it up
just enough.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
To where he can start the.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Offense for you, See webb is a like it's like you,
said he's he's overshadowed all these Great fowards that he played.
Against but he he wasn't no. Scrub he was going
toe to toe with The lakers and almost knocked them
off a couple of.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Times. Yeah, Absolutely, again you run into them, teams, man
and that's the story for most of these. Guys Sean Mary,
dude when we talk About draymond and modern Day Sean
marion has to get some, love, Man LIKE i would
love to Have Sean marion as one of our guests
because he's six. Seven he played power. Forward he that's
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one of the most unorthodox shooting forms that we possibly
could think. Of but, again for a guy to go
get double doubles in a power forward era at, that mind,
you he's in two thousands in a power forward, era, leading, competing,
defending doing what you needed them to. Do we talked
about how special Those sons teams, were but again they
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ran into Those San Antonio spurs And Los Angeles lakers
and sometimes couldn't cut. It but he finally got anyone with.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Dirt, yeah he was you know WHAT i, Mean Swiss Army.
Knights he could do it like he's that kind of
to me kind of similar today's age Power forward where
he gonna he can guard any position on the, floor
more versatile one a great. Shooter was shot it enough
And i'm saying the way you can spread the floor
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so he can stand out there at the three point
line and you have to guard. Him, yeah he was
a but and another guy who was just ALL iq,
man just a smart player and unselfish on both.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
ENDS i mean the matrix. Man you gotta be cold
to have that type of, nickname but also too man
when you really think, about you, know like his his,
presence man like overall just being able to to set
up you mentioned he could play in this this. Era
like If i'm A Bruce, brown If i'm those that,
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Archetype i'm Watching Sean marion because of how effective he.
Was you know What i'm, saying you get so much
of a bang for your, book because, yeah, yep, yep
that's another but even even For aaron ag ag. Sixteen
so it's like he kind of. Fitted but like if
you like six,' six you Know what, i'm saying you,
(39:17):
six eight you kind of hovering that line of Almost
small ford modern Day. Small ford IT'S like i don't
shoot the ball, that WELL but i can, YOU know
i can Do that i'm still strong ENOUGH and i
can make READS and i. Can Pass sean mary is
The person i'm probably watching, the most you KNOW what,
i mean because he played effective ball and he Was An.
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All STAR like, i said it, wasn't, like oh, you
know Four Time, all star Two TIME all nba and
a champ who doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Be, That yeah i'm wrolling.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
With, that, Yeah Okay, germaine ohio we mentioned powerful, university
alumni Six Time, all star Three TIME All Nba, Most
improved another high school guy who's drafted so soon that
like a lot of, older guys just kind of gave
him the. Cod shoulder he's still trying to figure, it
out you KNOW what. I mean played For that. Pacers
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team hopefully he get his jersey And the raptors, with
them but just he's Bossed before bosh, for, ME okay
i mean like he's Boshed before bosh because he could spread.
That floor he started getting more comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
His center is he a center or? Power forward like.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
He's a tweiner, O'Neill now BECAUSE he's i think earlier on. His,
career yeah maybe early in. His career he was definitely
a power For.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
The. Pacers years he was a he was a power
for it because they, you know they still had some
guys that they were using in. That mix and then
you know when he got To the warriors and even
more at his, heat years, he, was hey we can
kind of slide, you down you KNOW what, i mean
to be That five and he had no problem doing that,
as well you KNOW what, i mean because HE he
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i hear so many great Stories about jo being A
great vet around that, year fifteen, Year seventeen like how
instrumental he was in the, Locker room like they.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
First saying i'm just Talking to steph one his years With,
the warriors the want of his. Favorite teammates he's one
of those hold it down the locker room will come
in play twelve to, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Be solid BUT like, i said.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
He was a vet being, around him holding. Everybody accountable
had a ton of experience by the time he got
over There To golden state later in, his career and
he was all, about winning trying to win. Those championships,
So yeah jao, was Young young jo skilled as it
gets twenty and ten, every night and that shows you
the coach of the league back, there too with twin
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towers like you could play two centers kind of like
you was put them both on. The, block bang you
could just up your physicality as. A team as long
as one of them could shoot from, fifteen feet it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Could work and our Last guy i'm gonna give a
nod To Was elton brand before. The injuries man eb
just really like that man with the clippers and then,
you know doing this thing with, the bulls you KNOW what.
I mean like he did a lot of work for.
His size he wasn't a, big guy but one of
those twenty and. Ten guys man that just that just
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really just just, locked in you KNOW what. I mean
and obviously he's been in the front office position more
than he's. Playing NOW but.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I don't want to breeze by my Dude guy brand,
like this like, he was he was a problem. Long, career,
yeah no, absolutely quiet subtle but like dominant like after
twenty twenty four, and ten like twenty and ten machine
bro like. He was he was a problem six seven at,
six seven like like big thicks and skilled at the,
(42:41):
same time HE was i mean low post score like protected.
The rim was a good shot blocker at, That size
like you got to show him some.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Love too. HE might i don't give. IT away i
think he in my. Top five i'm rolling.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
With, IT okay i, LOVE it i. LOVE it i.
Love it problem, he was he was on the borderline
a haul of. VERY good i wanted to make sure
that we shouted. Him out you Know what. I'M saying
i just know that there's some like, some locks just
like how you mentioned as far as, you know. Punching guys,
but again the beauty about the beauty about the top
five is that you get your. PERSONAL picks i.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Got a COUPLE of i don't know mentions too that
we got to. Talk about because this this era was
like loaded with. Power forwards you could. Hoop right so
You Got. Zach randolph we didn't even get.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
TO him i was gonna say twenty ten, just because.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But yeah he got some good two thousands years.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
He got we got Some good Portland stuff Portland And
new york.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
For Sure, Antoine jamison yes he is he two thousands
problem tweeter.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
TO me i still STILL still i still feel like
he has some strong small forty years and his power
forty years were like where he. Very crafty he's.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
A crash he could do it Move On kenyan martin,
two thousand number.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
One pick. YOU can't i Like.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
K mart I.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
LIKE kmart i. AIN'T mad i Like k mart Like
a is he a Baby Of? Mars Statamar?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Like NOAH because i mean the, THING is. I don't
i don't want To say kmart had many. POST moves
i felt like he was. MORE aerial i felt like
he was more. Defense first if he if he did
get the he didn't get many actions called for him
as far as like actual creates, creating things but like
(44:39):
hustle man like setting. Them, up YEAH j k put
him in the best position. To, win absolutely does he
Possess that as far as what he could, have, DID
absolutely i just think that he just stuck with what he.
Did BEST so i don't want to just like draw
the line and say he. WASN'T skilled i just think
(44:59):
that for his success rate playing with the point guards,
he had they put him in the. Best position that
that that made him who.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
He was and last one in, the mentions, uh car
those bulls. Are late he's a twiner late. TWO thousands
i like bo But, in, utah yes he was one
of the best in.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
THE league I like boobs again when you when you talk.
About gradings BUT like, I said i. RESPECT it i
respect it on a mentions because we're tipping. Our hats
we're basically tipping our hats to the work that. They
did it's just hard to be Even, at stephen pull up.
A chair the cafeteria is full, Right now dot he got.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
The plate i'm just covering all. My, bases man somebody.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Man, shout out shout outs to all the. Duke guys
you KNOW what. I mean but the cafeteria, is full
you KNOW what. I mean he might have to go
sit in another room on the outside, of, wait man
because all the seats. Is taken but the, power forwards
you KNOW what. I mean but respect to all. Those
guys they all. Did work they are respected by. Their peers,
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you know this Is a this is a place where
you get, the love you KNOW what, i mean and
you get the debate and if you, feel differently come
join the part so that you can stay. Your case
so why you deserve to be in to sit at
that sitting in the cafeteria with. The goats, all, Right
man we're gonna take a, quick break but when we,
come back this is gonna be a very interesting, top
(46:26):
FIVE and i can't wait to.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Hear it, it's hurt, all right got, we're.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Back man we you know you're talking about these, dude
guys you talking about these, you know all these. OTHER
people i, was, really really really excited to hear your,
top five man of the greatest power for it to the. Two, Thousands,
man like this is gonna be a very tough one.
For me let's.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Get it i'm gonna, go first.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
NUMBER five i kind of gave it through it out,
there Already but i'm doing love for the, dude guys,
The brotherhood elton brand my number, five quiet it's kept
just solid throughout the, two thousands like twenty And ten
machine can give to you on the, block undersized, but
like couldn't nobody guard him in? This era nobody and
(47:20):
he guarded AND like, i said he was a shot,
Blocker too so don't. Branded five. Number Four. CHRIS webber
i love, his, game skilled going TOTALLY like, i said
going told to Sold with Shaq and kobe And.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And, SACRAMENTO man i wanted him to win.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
So Bad But chris webber at my, number four and
then my top three is the BIG three kg, at
three one of my Favorite teammates dirk at Two And
tim duncan. At, one like that's just that's just the
high quality power forward play.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Right, THERE yeah i ain't mad, at, it man that's that's. That's.
Commendable man i'm Gonna go she. At, Five okay i'm
really rolling with she shots. To she he definitely deserves.
A Nod see web. At, FOUR yeah kg, At Three
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tim duncan. Had one you.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
SHOCKED me i thought you were GONNA go, Kg TWO
like i think most people WOULD have Kg two. Dirk
three BUT we i think we're in the same pain
as far as winning that Chip in dallas at home.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
As little to.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Your resume that Was our that was our. Early conversation
that just kind of just, you know it was the.
Build up it wasn't. The obvious it wasn't the. Obvious
thing so for our listeners to get to that point,
AND say i knew he was gonna put him, At, two,
like nah it. WASN'T that i really as we were talking,
ABOUT it i just had time to just, process, it
Right and i'm, just like, you, know no NOT. TO
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kg kg probably could have won one if he Stayed,
in minnesota you KNOW what. I mean i just, think that,
you know with exhaustion of like frustration of getting, knocked
out was his team's? Good enough he had one With
spree Well and cassel And The serbia acts Of, the
World the google OTAs the list. Goes on but, You
know dirk sticking, It out dirk having, you know maybe,
(49:16):
tier three tier two teammates going through the run that
he went through is. Super commendable and that's just one of,
the hardest, you know HARDEST chips i have ever seen
in my, you know in my in my. Basketball LIFE
so i just had to tip my hat to. That
MAN so i definitely, had to, you know pay homage to,
that one and that might shake.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
The tables it's one of, the toughest toughest TOP fives
i had to put together because obviously You Got tim
dirk kg, in there but what order they're gonna. GO
in i had to think about other people gonna have some.
Other opinions and in the four, to five, IT'S like
i feel like, it's, six seven eight names that could
be in that four.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Or, five oh, it's interchangeable, because again do you, go
personal do you really think about it about who the,
respect level, you KNOW what, i, MEAN like i like
that you threw eb in there just because of, his
size mentioned about his, defensive ability you KNOW what? I
mean like what? He, like again his size plays a
huge role BECAUSE if i was to, BE greedy i
(50:17):
probably would Have Added sean marry. Into, that yeah you
Know what. I'm SAYING if i DO five A, Five
B sean marion definitely deserves a nod just because of
the size and the things that he was able, to
accomplish you KNOW what?
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I mean and, THEN yeah, i say then he did
it at the highest level then in the Playoffs in Phoenix,
and dallas and we ain't talk about power and that
top five who did IT In la it's some NAMES
that i know some listeners going to be having that
top five and disagree.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
With, us yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Welcome it make sure you you you at the goat
POD on x and push back as much as. You
can we love to debate and hear why y'all claim
this person is, you know, top five uh and one
of the greatness of. That era, all, right man we're
gonna take another break and when we, come back we're
gonna go over our, favorite topic the. Wrong era, All,
(51:29):
Right dot i'm gonna just kick. Things off man born
in the. WRONG era i, Mentioned It, Rashie, wallace yeah
too easy shoot the three, two well shoots with, the
left shoots it with. The right match your problem on
the low block easily. Twenty ten guy in this era gonna,
talk cash probably gonna have, a swag lean into the social.
(51:49):
Media stuff, he gonna, you know be a hot commodity
because he's gonna get, them texts you KNOW what, i mean,
you know but he gonna be able to back, It
up that's, the thing. You KNOW and i just think
that he just benefits the most out of, this error
just because, you know just, the skill the skill.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Work skills the switchable defender. He can it's range and.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Modern science gonna work in. His favor you Know what.
I'm saying he's not getting suspended for we not, you
know just, being honestly not getting suspended.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
For that he loved the NEW.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Cb, a yeah all all this new stuff is all
working in. His, Favor man he's. Not losing he, got
endorsements the ball, don't lie the campaign is out. Of
here everything just checks off.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
The box he was before his time when it came.
To that who you got my born in the. WRONG
era i Got. LAMAR odom i don't even know if
he talked, about him but.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
He was he was on, mentioned.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Born around he was playing in today's age with his
skill set as a, point forward you Know what. I'm
saying he could bring the, ball up running your offense,
for you and then positionally like your guard that he
can guard a lot, of positions play a lot of positions,
on offense and you can just fit him into, any offense,
any team wherever you want them. To be and that's
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kind of like the mold that a lot of people
are looking for, today's game like he's the model power
forward that can play your three if you, need to
or play.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
You FIVE so i low is.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
My, Guy hey i'm not mad. At that pick, love it.
Love Love the goods again. Made ADJUSTMENT they i think
they used him at every possible position you possibly could.
Think of, you know he played a, little point he
played a, little three play, some four play, some five
the utility, guys man one of the unsung heroes man
(53:41):
and are really Rocking With goods man. For sure that's
one of the, you know the. Underrated people so this
has been, a, fun fun. Fun conversation obviously we got
a subtopic out. Of veterans we could have spent another
two hours on man and hopefully, we can, you know
do the greatest veterans of the era conversation man in.
(54:01):
The future, but man this is this has been a.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
Good.
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