Greatest Shooting Guards of the 90's Featuring Dell Curry

Ladies and gentleman, we have a special episode upon our hands — highlighted by the most noteworthy guest. For us to break down the best shooting guards of the 90’s, it is only right that we bring on the progenitor of the Curry Brand, one of the original Leaders of the Long Range, Mr. Dell Curry himself! Now he’s known as Stephen and Seth’s dad, but in the 90’s Dell was known as that man with the arm cannon who you selected on NBA Jam — a deadly sniper who not only exploited the three-point line, but who also workshopped its origins in college. That’s right, we caught up with one of the true OG’s to not only break down the finer points of the Shooting Guard position throughout the 90’s era but also speak to the ongoing evolution of the nuanced position…and the league in general. You won’t want to miss all the jewels dropped in this enlightening trip down Memory Lane!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
How it's funny think you say you got to you
gotta train in your last few years.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I was long enough to remember that those days, and
it was always funny, y'all. Was he was coming to
the house, getting workouts in our personal gym, y'all, running
outside on the on the street.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
It was like like boot camp.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Not boot camp, but like basic workouts that today a
housewife would do or something like that to stay in ship.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's what you're doing for NBA season. It's completely different now.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Would we running miles? We running the hills?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, we lifting weights. We're doing uh, you know, chility drills.
He wasn't He wasn't a basketball guy. This guy's name
was Mitch Man. I like mits rebound for me, man.
I tell him we get we went on the court.
I tell him what I'm gonna do. You just rebound
for me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Man.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Welcome back to another episode of the Greatest of their era.
I'm your host, Trey Edwards, and I'm joined always by
my dog Seth Curry.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
What up? Goat what's going on? Man? Another week? Let's
do it.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
Man, it's a fun one. I'm excited, you know what
I mean. We got a special guest today. We ain't
had a guest in a minute, so you know, we're
gonna we're gonna take a you know, a trip down
memory lane and uh talk about some some good basketball
players you know from the past, but then also that
have influenced the present. So, uh, you know the greatest

(01:18):
shooting guards of the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes, sir, the shooting guards of the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I grew up in the nineties, watched a lot of
these hoops we're gonna talk about today, and that people
have been asking for a guest, so we're giving him
a good guest.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Today, Ladies and gentlemen, get ready to welcome a true
NBA legend to the stage. He's a sharp shooting icon
who lit up the league in the nineties. Charlotte Hornet's
all time great and one of the most lethal shooters
of his era. With a career spanning of sixteen seasons,
He's trained over twelve hundred and three pointers and became
a fan favorite for his clutch performances and smooth style.

(01:53):
You might also know him as the father of two
NBA players, Stephan and Seth Curry. But today we're going
to celebrate his own in creditable legacy. Give it up
for the one and only Dale Curry.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
All right, thanks Trey, Yo, I got a couple of
speaking engagements. Man, I gotta get you to intro me.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Hey man, I got you man for higher, I got
you for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Good stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I was the originator. O G Pops. I got it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Had to get him on the show early and often. Man,
he know all about the nineties. I grew up in
the nineties. So all these I only got spot memories.
But we're gonna learn a lot today about the shooting
guards in the nineties from from one of our own.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
So I wanted to start this off with and I'll
ask you deal, what is the criteria of a shooting
guard in the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Obviously, you got to be able to score the basketball.
That was first and foremost. You were counted, counted on
every single night to put the ball in the hole,
especially if you had a dominant center on your team.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And I played with a few dominant centers, Alonzo Flyy Devias,
those guys with jew double teams, and you had to
be able to score the ball to make teams pay
for that double team. So obviously you had you had
to find ways to score the ball. There was a
lot of sets that were run for you, so that's possessions,

(03:12):
that's on your back to put the ball in the hole.
So number first and foremost it was. It was to
score the ball. Obviously the two guards was around the league.
Every team you had to score the ball. So therefore
you had to defend your position as best you could
as well, So you had to expend a lot of
energy on that end, knowing that they were going to
go at you regardless of how good a defender you were,

(03:34):
because the other team, just like you, was expected to
score the basketball. So you had to be a two
way player, uh, first and foremost, and and then depending
on you know, how long you were in the league,
you had to be a leader of the team a vet.
Uh So there it was a it was a big
responsibility playing that two guard.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Back in the nineties, you talk about two way being
a two way guy in the league.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Back there was more of.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
A culture of because it as it's a lot of
cross matching going on. It's not always two guard guard too.
Guard point guard guard point guard usually put the best
defender on their best score. But it was it like
it seemed like in the nineties was more your guarding
your matchup, no matter what. Like you had to guard
most two guards every night, no matter what.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, today's NBA, you could just clarify guys
as guards. Yeah, back in the day, you were a
two guard. You could slide over play a little three
if you went small a little bit, but you were
you were strictly a two guard performer for your team.
So yeah, there was not a lot of crossover.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
I like that you like put emphasis on, you know,
being expected to score, right, because that position mainly is
to be selfish. Right, You relied on to not be overpassive,
you know. I mean you get the ball, especially as
a specialist, a three point specialist, to knock down that shot.
They made that extra pass just for you to shoot.

(04:57):
I felt like in the nineties, and we're gonna talk
about a lot of that you played against in yourself
as well, where most of those guys that started averaged
between fifteen to twenty five to twenty seven points per
game because they got a lot of shot attempts in
the offense was ran for them, like you said, calling
their number.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
You had a package of plays that was designed strictly
for you. So if you weren't aggressive and passive up
shots while you're in there, you know it's not your job,
especially for a guy like me six man. Coming off,
I knew I had a package of plays. Everybody on
my team knew those plays. They expected me to shoot
and make shots. So, yeah, you could not be passive

(05:37):
on the offensive end because the other two guards coming
right back at you on the defensive end. So you
got to carry away. You got it to some aspect
play defense on the offensive end to make that guy work,
knowing that he's got a package of plays he's gonna
have to guard that are designed specifically for you. So yeah,
if you're a passive on the offensive end back then

(06:00):
you wouldn't go to see you would You would not
be on the floor long because your teammates they're like,
what are you doing? You pass it up shot? These
plays are for you. You got to be aggressive, man,
You got to shoot the ball. So that was the
mindset every night.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, before we get into some of these names, we're
gonna talk about mostly guys that were in their prime
and the goats in the nineties, but ordered a couple
of shooting guards. You model your game after or you
looked at it, looked up to him and tried to
I don't know, necessarily play like but monitor game after
when you entered the league.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
You know, you gotta think when I grew up seventies
that went to college eighty two to eighty six, NBA
wasn't wasn't on TV like it is now. You had
a couple of games, you know that that came on
a week, so you made sure you were in the
spot where you watch those games. So we didn't get
a chance to see guys. Uh, they weren't as visible
as they are now. So I don't know if I,

(06:52):
you know, kind of polished my game after anybody.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
The guy who I saw most and was the best
was Doctor J.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
But he was My game is nothing like this, so
I wouldn't say I probably, you know, tried to emulate
or copy my game after anybody.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I just knew that two guards was counted on to
score the ball. So that's that's that was my mindset.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Now that's funny because Doc I was talking to Doc
Doc Rivers, and he's saying the same thing, like he
the first time he's seen a lot of the guys
he was compared to was when he saw him at
the McDonald's game, or at the draft.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Or in college or whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Like he was he here or heard about certain guys
who they said were the best in the country, but
he couldn't like watch film on them or see how
they played or learned stuff from him until he mashed
up with him in person.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, you like, I went through camps five Star, all
those those major camps, and we had Ernie Myers who
went to n C State. That's who you compared yourself
to the other me and myself the other top two
guards two guards, uh in that era in your class.
So those are that was my competition. That's who I
gotta I gotta I gotta play better, I gotta be

(07:57):
more aggressive. My goal is to be better than these
guys right here, Curtis Hunter that went to Carolina. It
was fun going up against those guys, and you made
sure in the summertime that you line your summers up
to get in those camps so that you could play
against the best.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
During that time. Did you think, you know, coming out
of college and going into these camps, that you had
a chance to make it to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Uh No, I'm from a small town man.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
And I just wanted to get to college and see
what I see, how good I could be. I really
didn't have My mind didn't transfer to maybe I could
play the NBA until after my sophomore year. I started
seeing some of the other guys that I played against
early in my college career playing the NBA, and I
went wow, I thought, I hold I could hold my
own against those guys. So that's when I thought, Okay,
maybe there's something here. Let me let me, you know,

(08:45):
buckle down, try to be the best. I can work
harder in the off season to come back and be
a better player. But yeah, the NBA wasn't on my
radar until after my sophomore year because I I played
baseball in college as well, so after basketball season, I
was looking forward to baseball. But after my sophomore year,

(09:06):
my mindset changed that the NBA could be a possibility.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
As far as you know, we talked about criteria earlier,
what was considered a lot of threes taken in the game,
like how many were you given? You know what I mean?
Because I made I made the quote, and now that
I think about it, it was probably a little little broad, right,
but overall, because you did more than shoot threes, you
know what I mean. As a shooting guard, you might
take the mid range, you might get to the basket,

(09:33):
but how many were you? Like your coach come to
you and say, all right, you know, I drew this
up for you. You get about three at ease? How many
were you given? You know a game?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
You know he would draw a play up and say,
this is your play. But it wasn't designed to shoot
a three. It was designed just to get a shot.
I kind of made it into a three because of
the range that I had. I could I could, you know,
expand the play, broaden the play and make it a
three point shot. So we drew a play up. It
was really just to get the best shot available for

(10:05):
me as as a three point shooter, a guy that
that was. That was one thing that I could do well.
If I took three a game, I'm good with that.
If I took five six a game, I better make three.
I better make half of them, or the coach and
the big guys gonna be looking at me like, yo,
what's going on? May get that ball inside. So a
lot of my threes came off of double teams. Linso

(10:28):
Larry Johnson Blottie. You know guys that created mismatches in
the post. You'd have to double and then I'd be
on that week's side, or a lot of time i'd
be the guy feeding the post and my guy would
take a peek.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So if you if you go back and look at.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Tape or games in the in the eighties nineties, everything
was played inside the three. Not a lot of guys
were playing outside the three. So if I took three
a game, that was a lot. The guy I work
with them, Eric Collins, he comes to the game every
night there and this on this game back in ninety two.

(11:05):
You know you you scored twenty one points. He'll he'll,
he'll test me. How many threes did you make in
that game? You made two? You know you were two
for five. You were hot that game.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
So these guys, you know they're taking individually. Now you
can take five or six a quarter. If I took
five a game, I was like, wow, I got him
up that night. So totally different aspect.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, I was really thinking about that too, of you know,
especially your son's being a part of like the high
volume club now at this point, right, and you got
a chance to play well until what was late to
early two thousands, oh too, return to after those two seasons,
so you kind of watched the game change a little

(11:47):
bit where it was going during that time. You know,
obviously a veteran coming off the bench sometimes you know,
how much did you see your three point attempts go
up a little bit more? And then it was considered like, okay,
shoot more? You know, as this role you know intended
how many more shots did you get a chance to

(12:08):
look at where you're watching his game change?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think I was around that three to five a
game my entire career. It really didn't change as much
because we were the league back then was was physical.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It was it was center dominant, it was paint dominant.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
It was getting get the best percentage shot on every possession.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
And there's there.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Weren't as many possessions in a game back then as
there is now. I mean, they're going up and down
the floor, so every possession, uh, you had to get
something out of it. And threes was not considered a
high percentage shot back then. So if you had a
guy like myself on a team that that was a
good three four percentage shoot it, you had an advantage

(12:49):
if you could get that guy a couple of you know,
two three shots a game, uh, and get three as
opposed to two. So I don't think the game really
changed much as far as, uh, the number of threes
that you were taking. My whole career, I started in
eighty six finishing O two maybe the last two or
three years. You know, I could, I could if the

(13:10):
shots were there or not forced. You know, I could
take six seven a game. But you know, very few
guys were allowed to take that many threes in the
realm of a game.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, because like, and I'm sure that was adjustment period
because you were kind of in the in the group
of guys that were testing out the three point line
when you were in college and coming to the league.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I were like trying to get used to the line.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Was there a point in your career where you, like,
because I always hear the thought like the same, if
you could shoot the ball, you could play forever. So
it was like a was it a time when as
a guard, like all my values going up because there's
a three point line now it's kind of spread, like
there's not a lot of guys who can shoot with
this type of range.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Did you ever feel like you're valuing up.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Oh, but no doubt that.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
That's the reason I played sixteen years because I was
a defender lockedown d is because I could put the
ball in the whole. I played one college game with
a three point line. They were experimenting to see whether
the three would work. I was four for seven and
we played at Cincinnati that one game. So I was like, Wow,

(14:14):
this says nothing. I shoot these shots all the time
for two and then now they go turn them into three.
So but if you had a guy like myself and
some of the guys we're gonna talk about that could
make a high percentage of threes, absolutely that was valuable.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
That was a valuable player.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Or if you had a guy that a team like
my guy couldn't go double, He couldn't ever go double
because I'm gonna be right open, and that would that
would cause the defense to rotate. You make the wrong decision,
you go leave a guy open. So absolutely, if you
had a guy that could make threes, or the other
teams had to defend against him not getting threes, you
were a valuable guy to be on the floor. Because

(14:53):
of Spacy, you had that big guy he just allowed
to work in More Space.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Sef told us a story on the pod that traumatized him. Right,
you got injured by a player, and I wanted to
know because I think you broke your nose. I think
it was kJ Yeah, okay, so I wanted to know. Obviously,
this play probably didn't happen off the rivalry, but did

(15:19):
you have any rivalries throughout your sixteen year career.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I broke my nose five times, once in college and
four times in the league, so I had some experience
wearing the mask, and the mask have come a long
way since back in the day. But the rivalry guys
guys that I liked going against, the guys that I
kind of evaluated my game was the guy who was
in my draft class, Ron Harper. Played against him in

(15:46):
college high draft pick, so I really liked going against
him because he was in my draft cast. Johnny Newman
another guy. He was more of a three, but he
was from Virginia. I think him and I played the
longest of the guy's takes in my draft class. I
played sixteen, but Ron Harper was the one guy that
tough to guard. Didn't shoot a lot of threes, but

(16:07):
he could make some threes. He was long, lanky, could
get to the rim, really good post player as well,
So he'd be the one guy that I'd say a
rivalry that.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wasn't Ron Harper one of those guys. He played a
little bit of point guard too.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Right, you can play a point. Yeah, he slipped over
and play some point. I actually played. I started probably
fifteen games that point one year, so we had some
point guys go down and our coach wanted to play
a bigger lineup. So yeah, back then, that's another good point.
Your two guard had to be able to slide over
and play a little point if need be, especially if
you wanted an extra shooter on the floor, a bigger guard,

(16:44):
maybe to guard Magic. Back then, Magic was a point
guard at six', nine you need a bigger guard on.
Him so depending on the, lineup that two guard had
to slide over and play a little point if need.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Be when we come, back we're going to break down
the greatest shooting guards of the nineteen, Nineties so let's

(17:18):
jump right into. It you Mentioned Hollywood harper right coded
with with the, calves, right.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah we're about to see his son next.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Year, yeah, yeah, yeah so you Know Hollywood. HARPER i
Mean seth's a little bit. Young he missed a little
bit of. This but before his knee, injury, right he
was up there one of the top, guards you, know
discussed up there With jordans of the world and the
rest of the guys that we're about to. Mention and you,

(17:48):
know his. EFFECTIVENESS i MEAN i, LOOKED i look at
some of his old stuff and obviously he was leaned
on his defense as he got, older you, know being
part of Those bulls and Those lakers, teams but he
may and on offense he was so explosive and the
way he just kind of showed, up you know WHAT i,
mean like and also in the dunk contest and things

(18:08):
of that. Nature he had that flare he definitely.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
DID i Mean miami Of, Ohio, YEAH i think it's
where and a lot of, people you, know back then
the college games were ON tv, again like THE nba
games like there new.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
So a lot of people like where's this guy and
why is he.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
You know in the school mid major like. That but
now he he had. Game, man he was a tough
cover against smart, player could like you, said defend very.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Long.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Uh he would fit perfect in TODAY'S nba as a
as a prototypical guy six y, six long arm, left
can shoot the three well enough where you got, to you,
know get out there and guard.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
It but if he put it on the floor and
get around, him he was.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Craft he could, finish, smart could drive and, kick draw
and kick find the open. Guy so, yeah he was
he was a handful of no doubt the time he
was in the.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
LEAGUE i don't Know Wheren harper from The bulls, like
uh slowed Down ron who was in the? Triangle no.
Athleticism but, uh the next guy we're gonna get, Into Clyde.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Drexli, Oh Clyde Big, strong he would he would probably
play more three in TODAY'S. Nba maybe he could slide
over and play some four in a smaller. Lineup, again
another guy jumped really high on his three point. Shot
strong could post you up if he at the two.

(19:34):
Guard if he posts you, up play back to the.
Basket you had to you better bring help because no
way anybody's going to stop him in the. Post so
there therefore you had to have another shooter on the
floor with him because he was going to bring. Help
but if you if also if he caught the ball
in the open, floor it was. Over if he got,
downhill with his, athleticism his leaping, ability the way he

(19:54):
could explode to the, rim if he had space and
transition to get to the get to the whole play,
downhill it was. OVER i, mean there's nothing you could.
Do so another guy at that two guard spot when
you showed up In portland Or, houston.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
You better be ready to.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Play you better ready to, guard and you better try
to give it back to him on the offensive end
as much as you can because he was coming every.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Night, NOW i know that was a short window of
like debate whether him OR mj was the best two
guard in the league right before they met in the.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Finals where you're buying any of that, hype.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Right, NO mj is in a league of his. Own
we're gonna keep. Him we're gonna keep him in a
different category over. There he is my. Goat, HEY i
get asked all the, time best player you played, Again
So i'm, like, OBVIOUSLY, mj no, QUESTION mj is the.
Guy but second on my list Is Joe. Jumars you,

(20:49):
KNOW i played in The Eastern conference every all fifteen
years except for my first year In. Utah But Joe
dumars was a, beast had handles, wide body couldn't get around,
him physical could shoot the three post, up clear him

(21:09):
out one on one free throw, shooter and he got
down in the stands on the other end as. Well
and he had great guys around. Him, so, Uh george
is the class of his. Own that's that's the goat
in my. Opinion And Joe dumars was the next guy
right behind. HIM i saw him the, most played against the.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Most he.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Was he was a, beast like you said, that because
they don't. Know we talked about on a couple of
positive uh. Earlier but for whatever, reason Those pistings teams
don't get to love that they do back back to
back championships in THE nba history kind Of oh, well
for whatever, reason the media doesn't give him that do
in that in that period in the nineties BECAUSE mj
was winning all those championships after that or. Whatever but

(21:48):
him And Isaiah, thomas they got to people gotta talk
about them.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
More no.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Doubt you Mentioned Joe dumar's, defense, like how good of
a defender he, Was like WHEN i WHEN i see,
IT i remember because He's actually WHEN i was a,
KID i was a diehard bulls, fan and he made me, cry,
right it made me cry because how they were Defending
jordan right when they had The jordan holes and things

(22:12):
of that, nature and they were very, physical AND i
just was, like this is just. Unfair BUT i felt,
like out of all the people that have may have
Defended Michael, jordan he made him. Work he made him,
work and not even on some like you, know most people, say,
oh all The pistons did was. Filed now he literally
was in his stuff every, time you know WHAT i.

(22:34):
Mean and Obviously michael being whoever you know who he
was at that, time he is an elite, player but
he had to still, work AND i felt Like Joe
dumars pushed him to get to that.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Point.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah joe strong upper, body stronger lower, body getting the,
stance quick, FEET i, mean his lateral quickness was just
as good defensively as he was on the offensive. End smart,
player he studied his, opponents studied the. Game. Uh and
he had like you, said he was of the bad.

(23:06):
Boys he was the nicest of the bad. Boys didn't
didn't talk a, Lot he just went about his business
and did his. Work but he took took on the
challenge of defending his position just as much as he
did scoring his position on the offensive, end and because
of his physicality on that, end you know he would

(23:27):
he would be his physical as officials allowed.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Allowed him to be against. Anybody he didn't take a night.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Off it's another thing he played regardless whether it Was
jordan Me, reggie whoever it. Was he came out and
defended with an attitude every single. Night but the guys
around him as. Well he had enough guys around, him
a Total pistons. Team you throw Du marsley at two
guard the spot and if a guy got buy, him
you knew you were going to meet, resistance you were

(23:53):
going to get, hit so you had that in the
back of your mind as.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, yeah that was kind of a culture in the nineties,
Too like you didn't a lot of guards didnt miss
games or players in. General like you look at some
of the game logs of like Horn A sack And
utah guys and OBVIOUSLY mj looking at they playing eighty
eighty two games every year unless they had a major,
injury and like today's, game you look at.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
It you gotta check the injury report every.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Night you might not you don't know who's playing on
the other, Team, like, oh it might get a little,
easier this guy might might miss a game or.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Two But i'm sure back then you knew who you
were playing.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
The whole other.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Show we can go right there talking about. That back
in the, eighties, man the, nineties you expected to play every.
Game you got paid to play every game unless you were.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Injured you were you, KNOW i mean.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Everybody's being everybody sore or feel a little. Hurt unless
you were, injured you were expect to lace them. Up
and that was the pride that everybody. Took you tried
to play as many games you. CAN i think three three,
years two three. YEARS i played eighty two. Games but
that was that was something that in the locker. Room
that was a pride.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Thing. MAN i come to play every single, night and
for the first five years in, LEAGUE i flew. Commercial
we flew.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Commercial if we had a back to, back we had
four o'clock wake ups to catch at six, o'clock seven
o'clock flight to the next city and played that. Night
so and you expected to lace them up and. Play so,
yeah back, then it's different. Mentality. Man we didn't have
the training, staff performance, staff the dietitians and all that
stuff was it was up to you to get yourself pretty.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Much ready to go every single.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Night we had one trainer who was a travel, guy one,
coach had a couple of.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Assistants but it was old school.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Basketball. MAN i loved it, because you, know it is
what it. Is that's how we grew up back. Then you,
know if you're able to, play you go out and.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Play, also you mentioned like. Accountability, yep again you're looking,
left you're looking to the, right and you're in the
battlefield with these guys right and you want to show,
up you know WHAT i. Mean, Like, also there's another,
guy because everybody got a family to feed that's waiting
for your. Spot so the idea of it is just
like whether you you Are All star and not, are you,

(26:01):
know depended on heavily that next person's trying to work
up that ladder of the depth chart to either stay
on this, team get more, minutes or you, know for
the next, job for the next.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Team, man that was everybody's. Mentality this rookie coming in
here trying to take my. Job, no that ain't, happening
that's not that's not how it's gonna. BE i REMEMBER
i learned that lesson. Quick WHEN i got To, utah.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
They had just. Changed Bobby hansen had become the.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Starter Dale griffith was coming off the, bench and here
Comes Dell curry, in you, know fifteenth pick. Man it
was hard for me to get into practice much less the.
GAME i learned quick like, yo the, rookies young, cats
you got to earn your.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Key so that was the.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Mentality every year you knew somebody was coming there and
trying to try to make your, job take your.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Job and obviously the money back then wasn't like it is.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Today you couldn't play two or three years to be.
Set you had To you had to play as long
as you can to try to earn that next year's.
Salary so, yeah that was part of being able to
play every, game wanting to play every.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Game you had to be. Available that WAS i say
that all the.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Time sometimes the best the ability of a players is being,
available the, availability and that was value back. Then if
you're a guy that was going to show up and
play you, know seventy five eighty two, games we can
find a spot for him on the.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Roster yeah you Mentioned Reggie. Miller oh, yeah you know
WHAT i. Mean, like obviously we had a conversation During
All star weekend With steph and how your boys like
kind of imitated they ordered your wristband and and all that.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Stuff you know WHAT i.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Mean but Also seth told us a story ABOUT i
think it's your sister and how they helped about you,
know when you guys competed against. Them tell us a
little bit more about.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
That reggie was another, guy big. Rivaly reggie was opposite
Of Joe.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Dumart he, Talked he talked moment he got off the
bus walking into the, gym.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
And, uh he's another.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Got he shot a lot of. Three they ran a
ton of plays for, him, obviously big. Guard so Obviously
reggie was the guy on that team and ran a
ton of. Plays he had the green light to shoot at,
whenever wherever he. Wanted and that's why he's in The
hall Of fame because he showed up and showed out
every single.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Game but he lets you know it as.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well AND i had four, sisters you, know they didn't
like him very much just because of his, cockiness his,
attitude his arrogance on the. Floor you got to play
with that chip on your. Shoulder in this. League if you,
don't it'll eat you. Up every player has got to
have an air of arrogance. Cockiness now they display it
in different. Ways some guys just keeping them in amongst.

(28:39):
Themselves they know that they're good and they expected they
don't lowed to. Talk But reggie will let you know.
It my sisters didn't like. That So i'm the baby the,
bunch youngest of. Five so they're, like, yo did you
picking up my brother will let you know all.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
That but it was all in.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
FUN i Heard seth say. Yeah they saw him in
the back of The All star. Game they flipped the.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Script man, like, yo this, rech let's get a. Picture i'm,
like what y'all talking all this? Tricks you want to?
Pick go? Ahead go, ahead go? Ahead hey v come over. Here.
Uh so you know it was different between the lines back.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Then everybody. Competed we had no. Friends we didn't shake
hands after the. Game but off the, floor game. Over
what's up?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Man how you doing a good? Game appreciate the. Competition
i'll see you next week next time we. Play, so
uh it. Was it was a good atmosphere on and
off the.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Floor y'all similar in a lot of ways y'all worked
off the, Ball LIKE i, know me And steph watched
a lot of a lot of tape and learned some
of the. Tricks you taught us some of the tricks
of how to get open off the, ball BECAUSE i,
remember like back, then y'all ran a lot of floppy
like floppies kind of extinct from THE nba, now just
you got screened on both. Sides you got to work
to get, opening whether it was a sneak push off

(29:50):
walk and act like you're going away and sharply turning
going the other. Way, yeah it's, funny. Y'all y'all, rocket
y'all did a lot of the same stuff and had
a lot of the same tricks to get your shots
off the.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Ball you know this league, is you, know it's a copycat.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
League and if you had a Guy reggie, Myself Alan,
houston you go down the line. Shooters every coach try
to run the same stuff you just turn you turned it.
Different the terminology was totally. Different uh and our terminology
would we run the same play but maybe call it
something different from game to game just because the other
team knew what you were gonna. Run we had Floppy

(30:24):
we had floppy, reverse floppy sixty six and all that
was just. Disguising you, know we're you're gonna come off the.
Screen but, yeah it was constant. Movement big guys would
set screens back, then especially if a shooter came off
of their, side knowing IF i set a, screen the
shooter gonna be, open somebody gonna. Rotate that Means i'm
gonna get the ball BECAUSE i set the. Screen so

(30:45):
our bigs understood. That Larry johnson probably one of the
best screeners for me THAT i played.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
With he In. Oakley Antonio davis was also a big.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
One.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Uh but, yeah it was constant. Movement we ran a
ton of. Sets not a lot of sets are running
THE nba.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Today we ran a play every single time if we
didn't have a transition, Opportunity so you had to have
a lot of. Movement you stop to start, speed you
had to change speeds whether you had the ball or.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Not.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Uh decoys start one, way go the. Other uh it.
Was it.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Was it was you had to trick your opponent as
much as you could because they knew it was, coming
but you just had to get to your spot in
a different.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Way just about every single.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Night, yeah how good was rock a Ka mitch rich.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Bo The mitch st six.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Five he was a Taller Joe dumar six, five stocky
bulk then again could shoot. Threes but he liked to
catch the ball in the, post you, know mid, range
and face you up and try to get get you
to lean one.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Way a couple of dribbles he pulling up for the mid. Range.
Uh getting to the hole he. Would. Uh mitch was,
tough tough.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Guard and then he was playing With Chris mullin all those. Guys,
man you got three guys on the, floor and you
gotta worry about guarding every single.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
One.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh and so you had to pick one. Guy you
had To you had to guard man the. Man you
couldn't send help to. Everybody and and whoever you said
to help to the other one knew its gonna be my.
Night But mitch tough, player man pretty.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Crying. Uh seemed like he never had an off.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Night.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Uh and and we get to the free throw line
anytime he wanted.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
TO i wanted to Consider Chris maulin for my goat,
file BUT i don't when you consider him a two or.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Three like he played, three he played more of a
three back, then Because bitch played the. Two mouley was
more of a, three more of a he would shoot
the three a little bit. More but crafty two. Man you,
Know lefty wasn't, quick but you couldn't speed him. Up
great ball. Fake all those guys at good ball.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Fakes this one guy comes out Of, Alabama latreill's. Free
how cold Was.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Spree spree's game was based on, speed, quickness and just
the ability to get. Downhill and he played with an
attitude that everybody was against. Him one of the first
guys in the league to, where you, know the dreads
in his.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Head back. Then the all the guys didn't do. That we're, like,
ooh he tough. Man he got he wearing he wearing
dreads corn.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Rolls But spree was another guy one on one you
couldn't stop it one on one because he was, quick,
fast explosive around the. Rim uh and he brought energy
every single. Night seemed like he had good, energy good
motor every single night and wanted to just kill whoever
is in front of.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Him that's One New York knicks. Guard BUT i got
two other That i'm gonna bring. Up And Alan Houston John. Starks,
yeah two of my favorite guards from the nineties THAT
i remember all those matchups going AGAINST mj in the,
garden some, epic, epic epic performances in the garden and
over the plane against those two guys.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Like Alan, houston, smooth AND i don't think people give
him credit for how good a shooter he really was
range another guy with, good good, height sixty six could
put it on the floor and create his own jump
over top of you and get his shot. Off great clutch.
Guy you show that that shot he made Against. Miami

(34:20):
bringing up all these, Names, man it's so many good
guards back, then and then you Got John, starks who
fought his way into the, league and then when he got,
there he played with the same. ATTITUDE i should have
been here all, along And i'm gonna show everybody y'all
made the wrong choice by taking me so long to
get to the. League another good friend of, mine But
john loved the competition that THE nba created every single,

(34:45):
night and especially playing In New. York he had A
New york. Mentality you see him, today you know The
knicks games on the, sidelines he was just like that
on the.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Floor.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Uh he was a nick nick mentality for day one
in the.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
League so another both of those guys real good, friends great,
competition great. Competitors, uh you love going against guys like
that because you know they were gonna they're gonna try
to knock your head.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Off every night you talk about the.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Competition one more THING i want to get into, IS
i know today a lot of guys getting in the
gym working out with each other in the. Summer every
player in THE nba now has our own trainer in
off season working out specific stuff they want to. Do
but what was the culture like back then in the off,
season like the job to get together play summer pick,
up work out with, trainers if you have to pick
out the guards' brains in the, offseason any of that.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Stuff it was, no it was it.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Was it was not a lot of.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
That you worked out with guys on your, Team, uh
and our strength and conditioning coach and the team would
have one a couple of the. Coaches, uh you know
at the facility in the off. Season, yeah you just
come in and work on work on your game. Individually
but there's not a lot of pick, up at least In.
Charlotte it Was charlotte back, then it was tough finding.
Games we'd have to go over to THE. Uncc there

(35:58):
was a good summer league, here but it wasn't a
lot OF nba guys getting, together as far AS i,
knew playing one on one or playing pick. Up Fred
whitfield had his charity event one of the best pickup
games of the. Summer, uh and we all tried to
get in on that.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Game but it was it Was it was.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Hard it was nothing like it is. Today nobody had
their own for the most, part had their own. Trainer
you trained in the off. Season late in my, CAREER
i had a trainer that just worked on my body
and my. Conditioning. Uh but not really a basketball. Guy
so again that's another thing that's totally totally. Different guys trained. Differently.

(36:38):
Uh we. Played we didn't take a lot of time.
Off you were doing something every single day in the off.
Season i'd take a couple of weeks, Off but then
you got to get right back in. It because he
had that attitude some rookie coming in trying to take.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
My job AND i.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Ain't that ain't.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
HAPPENING i got mouths with. FEED i got to get
in the, gym and it's on. Me it's not my,
trainer not going to call me to say this is
what we're. Doing today's up to you to get in
that gym and work out and make sure you're ready
for the next.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Year, yea, yeah he was training campus time to get in.
Shape so, yeah it's. Funny think you say you got
to you gotta train your last few. YEARS i was
long enough to remember that those. Days and it was always, funny.
Y'all was he was coming to the house getting workouts
in our personal, gym, y'all running outside on the on the.
Street it was like like boot, camp boot, camp but
like basic workouts that today a house, mom a housewife

(37:25):
would do or something like that to stay in.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Shape that's what you. Know FOR nba, season it's completely.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Different.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Now we would we running. Miles, yeah we running the. Hills,
yeah we lifting. Weights we're doing, uh you, know agility.
Drills he wasn't he wasn't a basketball. Guy, yeah this
guy's name Was Mitch. MAN i, Like, mitch rebound for, me.
MAN i tell him get we went on the, COURT
i tell him What i'm gonna. Do you just rebound for, me.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Man how good would of a Pastor mitch.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Was mitch is a baseball. Guy.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Man he went To howard or the baseball, scholarship so
he could pass a little.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Bit he could pass a little. Bit but, yeah the
workouts are totally.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Different but like says, said our training camp was a,
month so you just tried to be in the best
condition that you can. Be but knowing you had a
month to get in good basketball, condition and we played
eight exhibition games and everybody would top players would maybe
take a game off at the end of that, preseason

(38:24):
but everybody played the preseason as, well so you throw eighty,
two we're playing ninety games off the. Top we had
two weeks of two days leading right to the start
of the, season so we had plenty of time to
get in, shape unlike guys do. Now the first, practice you,
know you're putting in, offense, defense all. That at the
end of the, day end of that, practice you're, scrimmaging

(38:45):
you're going back to the, hotel you're getting, rest you're doing,
whatever and you're coming back for the night session and especially.
Scrimmage and that's the first two, weeks and then you.
Start after those two, weeks you have a preseason and
then you can tweak it a little. Bit you don't
have as many two days those last two, weeks but
the first two weeks is really where you amped up
and prepared yourself for the.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Season so this one, Player seth was pretty young when
he passed away in a car. Accident but how. GOOD
i always hear stories about this because our roughly was
around eight or nine years.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Old oh, man cool. Man we hated to see him
go so so so.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Good and he played straight. UP i mean you didn't
see him get the. Understands he just played straight. Up
but his ability to create shots was. Uncanny and you,
know we didn't have as Many european players in the
league as we do, now but they called Him jordan
of The europeans when he came.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Over this dude could use a screen like none.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
OTHER i actually studied his game a lot as a young,
player you, know watching him come off of, screens shouldered to.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Shoulder he's another.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Guy didn't you a lot of, threes but he kept
you off balanced because he was straight, up kind of herky,
jerky and he could get his shot off like, that
real quick.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Release another guy didn't say, anything just went about his.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Business but another guy that KNEW i had a ton
of plays that was going to be set up for
me to get, shots and he Used he used those
plays best of his.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Ability unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
SCORE a guy THAT i personally, like probably one of
my Favorite, lakers and obviously was A Hornet Eddie. Jones
did you ever play with?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
HIM i did not.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
KNOW i left The hornets when he came. Here eddie
PROBABLY i think he led the league in. Steals you
know a couple of. Years he just as good defender
as he was. Offensive offensive, guy great anticipation on the defensive.
End another guy that was, quick, lanky get to the,
hole you get him in the, break could could move chain,

(40:56):
speeds could toward his, body get away from any kind
of defender that was coming at, him see the play
before it. Developed he could tell what was gonna happen
before it actually. Did look he'd looked past his defender
to the next guy because he knows he's getting by
his tremendous player on both, ends maybe even a better
defender than the offensive.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Guy i'm want to get in this guy BECAUSE i
know you played with him for a couple of.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
YEARS i think he backed him up In, Charlotte Hersy
hawkins we talked ABOUT i know he.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Was he was a solid player for a long.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Time, yeah included me to talk about him real, Quick
but also any other two guards you personally played with
who who are really Good in the, Nineties.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Hawk was really. Good hawk could shooted, three great. Range
we had so much fun challenging each other in practice shooting.
Games you, know his sons that grew up here, Together AND.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I got to Give hawk.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Props hawk's one of the nicest Guys i've ever, Known
and WHEN i won six man a, year it was
because he kind of took a back. Seat he, started
BUT i played the bulk of the minutes AND i finished.
Games And hawk had no problem with. That such a nice,
guy great, teammate tremendous. Shooter another guy that had two

(42:07):
stints here In Charlotte Kendall, gill big body, guy fierce,
guy could dunk with his left better than his. Right
another guy too, dribble pull up, high, jumper shoot over
top of. You but really loved the defensive. End so
those two guys was the reason WHY i could stay
In charlotte for ten years Because kendall loved to play

(42:30):
the defensive. End wasn't that great of a, shooter SO
i got a lot of shots WHEN i was on
the floor that through the two guard and Then hersy
being such a great teammate that that sacrificed himself SO
i could.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Be on the.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Floor, YEAH i know you played with a Young ray.
Too this is the end of the.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
NINETIES i know you played ten years In, charlotte went
To milwaukee for one. YEAR i think it was ninety.
Eight Maybe, yep a Young Ray. Allen this Is Ray
allen that played pick and, roll off the, bounce getting
to the. Rim, athlete not the obviously not The miami
spread the Floor Ray. Alan but, YEAH i know he
was really.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Good Ray allen probably maybe the first two guard THAT
i played with, that like you, Said, seth that coaches
will put him in a pick and. Role, normally screening
roll was always a point guard with a big But
ray was probably the first guy that you put in
that pick and roll and he could make a play for.
You another, guy big, cast high, jumper high release point

(43:25):
on his three great, athlete never got.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Tired i'm, Like, ray why you didn't sweat when he?
Played cool at, man.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Good Looking ray Oh, Man jesus shuttles worse, man a,
tremendous tremendous, guy another good, teammate but probably, yeah the
first guy at that two guard position that played a
bulk of his, spots especially In milwaukee in a pick
and roll.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Scenario, yeah what was it like playing With Ray?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Milwaukee BECAUSE i remember those days going out To milwaukee
watching y'all play for that one year.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Together what was it like with?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Him it was so much.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Fun George carl was our coach. Man he could draw
a play up and get either one of us a.
Shot But, ray, Myself vinnie Del, negro we were all
on that. Team we went through the entire season and
never lost a shooting game in a shoot. Around they
threw everything at, us and when you guys came up To,

(44:20):
milwaukee y'all can joined in with.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Us we never lost a game a shoot.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Around So, Ray, Allen Bennie Del negro to the best
guys THAT i played was shot.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
With and somebody on That milwaukee team still owe me some.
MONEY i know who it. Is, uh.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Go get your, go get your. Chicken. Man so we
got one last PLAYER i wanted to talk, about Thunder.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Dame, yeah Thunder. Dan he was a three AND d.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Guy basically just a spot of three point, shooter but
a lockdown defender could defend, one two or. Three great role,
guy good rebounder at his height at six,' six a,
physical guy, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
White guy that could dunk, on you go to. The
hole he's. Gonna bring he was gonna bring. The noise
and love that. ABOUT him i Mean. Thunder dan uh.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
He didn't get that uh nickname you know about about just,
shooting layups but a great teammate, as well played big and.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Big.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Games uh You see phoenix when they made. That Run
thunder dandy had a lot to do.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
With it so love. The city the fans rallied. Around
him uh and and he embraced.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
All that another guy that, you know it's gonna be
a physical Night If dan marley is in front, of
you because he gonna he's gonna beat you up and
try to push you off your spot every.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Single possession now we're in The current you you watched
a lot, of basketball, you know Covering the hornets now
and you get to see all these. Young stars what
is the difference you see in the current shooting guard
position compared to when you played, the position and what
is missing from the game now that they could benefit from.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
All the guards. That play now got to be able
to play out of picking. Roll scenario they have to
be able to, do that or you have to be
a guy that can spread. The floor you see three
guys at the top of, the floor two guys in.
The corner the two and three's in the corner have
to be able to demand that the defense stays on
them to create space for the. Other guys so you

(46:25):
you absolutely have to be able to shoot the ball
or be a. Shooting threat if you're a two guard
or guard in the, LEAGUE today i don't think you
need to think as much about, what's happening what's. Going
on you have to, think about, you know what play
are we running? This time WHERE am i supposed to
be on? The floor you see guys running down, the

(46:45):
floor and if you don't have the ball on the
top of, the floor you're in the corners and you
just wait until your. Guy leaves if, He doesn't i've done.
My job i've created space because they're not. Leaving me
so it simplifies your job out there a, little bit
so you don't have to think.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
As, Much UH but i think that transitions to the
defensive end because you don't have.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
To think your mind's not. Locked in you get to the,
defensive end your mind is. Still wandering, you're thinking, all
right my job, is done and then all of, a
sudden you miss a defensive assignment the other. Team capitalizes
so the ability just to not have to really be
if you don't have the ball in, your hands to
be spotted up and not think about what's.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Going on, you know my guy leads them at the
ball and get.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
A shot on the, defensive end you gotta quickly transition
your mind back TO my i gotta what's my responsibility
on this? Defensive end and if you're not, locked in
you go cause your. Team points so that's that's the
biggest difference in.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
My, opinion yeah, today's game it's more of like guards
and then you, got wings and some of those wings consider.
Two guards back in, the day some teams have put
three four wings.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Out there on.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
The floor at the.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Same time it all kind of muddles up in, my
opinion like you don't really have that locked. In position like,
you said everybody Can be JUST like, i said you
either got a guard who can handle the ball and,
make plays or you got wings who stand in the
corner space, the floor, make shots cut if, you're open
and just go down. To defend when we come back,
from break we're gonna give our goat shooting guards.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Top five, all right trade, WERE.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Back popsa i'm gonna start, it off get my goat
top five shooting guards of. The nineties and obviously we
got a. Little disclaimer we're NOT leaving. MJ out mj
Is the bona five. Number one we don't need to
make that argument. Here TODAY so, mj one And then
i'm gonna get my top five out, the gate my
number five shooting guard of. The nineties They Got john

(48:52):
starks number five might be a might benefit From The
new york bump a, little bit you Know what, i'm
saying some of, Those Matchups But john, Starks Five jeff
Horni sec.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
NUMBER four i don't even know if we talked, about
Him But jeff.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Horni sec number four, for me like he did a
lot of Winning, in utah He Was all Star, in phoenix,
Number Three, joe, Dumars two clyde and number ONE. After
Mj reggie miller, for Me Just. Reggie miller he.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Was moved off.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The ball you Know what, i'm saying doing all the
all the off the ball stuff like we, talked about
BUT underrated iso, guy too and then The games io
he had to step, back right step. BACK left, I
mean i'll watched a lot of film, on him and
that's that's my number TWO behind mj in.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
The Nineties, All right i'm, gonna go and then We'll
have dale do the. Last one, All right so AT
five I Have ron. Harper again your pops are selling
me on a lot of. THESE players, I mean i
got a chance to watch THEM when i, Was younger
but like, you explaining certain things can't really be seen
with the WITH the, i right it's certain things that you,

(49:59):
just actually like when you're talking about how strong a,
player is that you can see it if you knock.
Somebody down that's the only way you can kind of.
Explain strength but you actually had to defend. This person
so a lot of these players that you kind of
basically gave us the fly on the wall treatment of
like How Strong joe dumars was Or A mitch richmond

(50:19):
and how they were trying to get it to. That
point so these kind of affected my my. My Choices
So ron harper, At Five joe dumars. AT four I
Got mitch richmond, at three and obviously you mentioned you
gave the DISCLAIMER of mj not being on. This LIST
so I Got clyde drestra, at two and, AT one

(50:40):
I Got. Reggie, miller okay.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
You Got mitch richmond. At three he didn't make, my
list but like he get he's Done the Hall. Of
fame obviously.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
He can he also was on the COVER Of, nba
live so.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's true, that, YEAH yeah, i.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Mean there's no there's no wrong answer. We got we.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
GOT guys i mean there's no wrong at for. Top
five and that's A hard, i mean all these guys
we talked about and we.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Got to pick five.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Top five it's it's. So difficult but here's here's. MY
five I Got mitch richmond. Number five played against all
these guys, as well teammates with one.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Of Them mitch richmond. AT five i Got Draws in
petrovitch number. Number four.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Just not enough film to see how good he is
without playing against him every single night when he was With.
THE nets I got ray, number Three Teammate jesus showsworth.
NUMBER three I got reggie. Number Two reggie miller, number
TWO and I Got joe dumars at.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Number, One, YEAH ray I mean ray more of a
two thousands got. TO me, i mean if you want
to put him in, the list he would have been in.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
The nineties he was a late.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Nineties guy so if we when we do our top
five from, Two, Thousands ray ray gonna be in the mix.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
For, sure yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
For sure the drive in thing like you're one of
many who played in the nineties and, remember him like
that's a common sentiment about driving petrovisch like he was
he one of.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Them ones he. Just OUs he was.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Cut short but everybody who saw him and played against
him during that time, give him give him, that props
like he one of the best two guards they've.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Ever, Seen, absolutely yeah he'd have been in the hall
had he had had the career that he was going.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
TO have i was thinking from a tweener perspective to Almost.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Mentioned sarunas, oh hm another, left guy left hand got tough.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Coming off, the bench knowing that, you know he know
what he in. There for put his, head down you
know he's.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Gonna DRIVE he, i mean he shoot a couple of
jumpers to keep. You honest but, you know he get
into the hole and he gonna find ways to score,
the basketball.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
No, doubt yeah definitely had to shout. Him out when we,
Come Back deil curry is gonna share the player that
he thinks is born in the wrong are? All right

(53:09):
this is our favorite topic of. The pod born in the.
Wrong area this is.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
A topic obviously we take a player we talked about
and say they were born in the wrong and they
could have played in today's era Or what, i'm saying
they had all the skills of what it takes to
play in. Today's Era but i'm actually. Flip it i'm
gonna Take a i'm gonna take a guy from this
from our current era and say he could have played
in the nineties because and This Is klay thompson, to
me like he's the prototypical two guard like that could

(53:38):
have played in. Any area he, Was perfect like he's
he's a shooting guard, six', six can shoot, come off
screens guard, guard, his position well.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Didn't play off the.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
BOUNCE a, ton i mean he was a fishing with
his one two dribbles moving and that's more of.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Like a two guard back in the. Nineties than me
like the.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Didn't over dribble so like when you think two guard to,
me GROWING up like i pictured a Guy Looking.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
LIKE klay, Thompson i agree clay his game is a little.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Bit like draws the way he moves off of screens
stop and start can bump you. SMART to defend i,
agree With that but i'm, Going, WITH.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Me okay i get. It on me that's a first played.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
The wrong era we're TALKING about what i. Would do today,
oh my goodness that's. A, good, point yeah ME. Myself
and i it's.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
A good point you're, getting up ten eight to twelve. Threes, a, NIGHT.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah yeah i, was forty, career you know two or. Three,
AT night yeah I told us i was talking about a.
Few WEEKS ago but i remember The first summer staph came.
Up to me, he was like i'mna shoot ten threes a.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Game.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
This year, watch i'm, like, no way bro there's no
way you can get up ten. Threes A game and
i don't know. He did it now it's normal and
a few players. Are doing it they're probably he's getting.
Up twelve now but that's like how how foreign it?
Was back then like he went from like seven nights
TO ten.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
And i say, this all one do you know how
how what kind of condition you got to be in
to get up ten. Threes a night that's mean you,
move in it especially if you got the ball.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
In your, hand if not.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
You moving constantly that's that's. Big in itself and then
you got to. Have the accomplidence your coach got. To
run you you got to get the opportunity to get
it get up ten. Threes a NIGHT the player I Have.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Is LATRELL spree Will i think spree would be pretty good.
In THIS era, like i, think you, know, speed wise,
power you know on, the offensive end can kind of.
Fill it up he'll have a lot of open floor,
to work with YOU know, what i mean especially with
the you know how the, defense is played you. Know

(55:49):
the offense he end up at the line a lot
and and being at twenty five points, per game average
YOU know, what i mean and talked about as one,
of the scores but also just, bringing you know his
style of play and he'll be. A fan favorite i
think his swag was Just, cold Ball, spree graid Spree.
Dre hit spree however we look at, it then, we'll

(56:10):
you know we can we can kind of lea lean
that in it as being a fan favorite and popularity. To,
THE mix yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I like them he kind of like a hit a
guard like HE don't really i look at him like
he doesn't necessarily have to.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Have, a position yeah he definitely can move up because
he's kind, of bigger too YOU know. What I, mean, all,
right well man it's definitely gonna have to be another
when we have to bring, you back again because we're
gonna have to talk about. Some, OTHER stuff man i was.
Already getting, hyped you know we only talked, about shooting
guards but you've seen a lot of basketball and obviously

(56:43):
played a lot of basketball and was able to speak on.
This era specifically and also we learned so much, about
certain players YOU know, what i mean from a from
a real time feel and also being in the essence
of just what game film. Can't tell us, so you
know we definitely love that you also had the answer
to pick you, as you know the player that's born

(57:05):
in the wrong, era because, again you know obviously people
know you, as their father but you. Really had game
thank you again. FOR joining us, i, appreciate it man.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It was fun i've been watching y'all y'all been, killing
it man.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
WORK you know i appreciate.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
You coming on we just want to respect the game,
the right.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
WAY that's. All i.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Think. THAT'S it man i think there's a lot of
pods and, respect to them but there's a nuance of
the game right now where there's a breakdown of a,
lot of disrespect YOU know. What i mean and we
want to make sure we highlight the players before and
after and that it continues to be passed along that
way and we can view the game as not so

(57:45):
simple but also the. Beauty.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
OF it, Yeah i mean i'm living. A, Great life
man i'm watching my sons playing.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
In this era, Uh you know i'm an, old school.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Guy, BUT hey man i feel like me AND the
guys i played against we set the table in the
foundation for the guys to be able to make the
money that they do now play the, way THEY do
and i get to still.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
ENJOY the game i get to call Games, for the.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Hornets watch, SETH so man i got nothing but love
for everybody that PLAYS. In the nba i'm so blessed
to still be, around the game to be able, to
watch it, talk to it, talk about it, celebrate the
guys not Only, on the hornets BUT just the nba.
As a whole so blessed to still be able.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
To do that so thank you guys. For having me let's.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Do, it, Again, yes, sir yes sir you said. YOU
coming ON i know i.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
LEARNED a lot i know that all these learned. Some
stuff too so tap in with Us online and i'm.
Hopping our mentions tell us who we forgot some of
your favorite players from, The nineties comments Subscribe.

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To the pie find me At, as dot curry.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
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On Social, Media mister.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Curry, i'm ON there But i just i'm wanted just to.

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(59:40):
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