April 10, 2025 • 43 mins
We’re staying in the exciting 90’s era for a second week in a row to break down the trademark moves we all as fans came to love, adore, and try to emulate on the court. What makes a signature move? Some will claim it’s a move that only the individual player can pull off. While others argue it’s a move that lives beyond the player’s career and continues with others. But one thing is for certain: a true signature move is one that becomes immortalized as a silhouetted logo. With so many diverse skillsets and styles of play throughout the 90’s, this topic makes for a juicy debate of which signature moves were, in fact, the greatest of this era..
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mailman actually had the Mailman dunk right, put his hand
and behind his head and he man.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He done. I ain't a cap that dunk week.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is before your time. He was sponsored by Road Game.
He had a real endorsement, okay talking, and he had
like a Jerry curl right and the Jerry Girl. This
is why he had the bands because he would be
sweating like it was just running down his face. So
I'm pretty sure you gotta put some respect on the
points he scored because that probably the sweat probably added weight.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Burning his eyes, be constantly.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wiping his wiping his forehead because it was running. He
had to texturizer in his head, right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, this remind me of Tank.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Remember the Tank fight a couple of years ago when
he said that he got his hair done and the
product from his hair got in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So that's why he had to take a pause in
the middle of the fight that said that. Remonda is
all right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Welcome back to another episode of Go G O T
Greatest the Era.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's going on? Tright?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's up? Steph crossover?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's up? My boy? Uh? We're back with another episode.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Last week, were took a trip back to the nineties
talking about the greatest teams of the nineties. It was
some good some good banter in there, some good trip
down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And this week we're staying in the nineties. Were keeping
it here?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, man, Golden Era, Golden Ere, Yeah, for sure, have
to stay here. Man. I mean this is a fun one. Man.
You know the greatest signature moves of the nineteen nineties.
This is the where your imagination ran them up. You
were able to practice those moves and do those five
for three two one countdowns and uh man, we got
(01:42):
some great signature moves. But before we start that, man,
I want to know what's your signature move.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't really have like a signature type move. I
would say I got go to moves. I would say
the go to move will probably be the the has
he going right? I think all I think it's probably
if you talked that the coaches and people around the league,
they ask what's on the scout report for Seth Curry,
They'll probably say that that has he right if you
go into the rim or if you're going left, step
back left, one of those two.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But that's all stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean, I picked up a lot of stuff from
a lot of people's different games and stuff we're gonna
talk about today and try to implement it in my game.
But I ain't really a one on one type guy.
Throughout my career, I haven't played a lot of one
on one, so I can't I can't really put myself
in a category of having a signature move.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Let's talk about why we're here right now. Man, the nineties, man,
and we've all practiced these moves in the driveway, and
one of the moves that is currently still being used today.
It's been reinvented multiple times. Multiple people say, oh, this
person has the best one. But the Michael it's like iconic.
(02:51):
You know. Obviously Jordan stuck his tongue out when he
you know, when he was focused and how clutching and
the footwork is the underrated part of it, and the
elevation and body control because he could take that shot.
He was rare. Like most people forget that, Michael Jordan's
a shooting guard posting up. He's one of the best
post players in the game's history.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
In fact, how effective it was that move, It's like
you said, it's unstoppable. There's something you could they could
go to at any time in the game, and it's
really simple. You put put your shoulder into a turn,
turnover either shoulder and get your jay off. And it's
one of these signature move you got. You tell people
washing and emulated as they're coming up and growing older.
(03:34):
Because the amount of guards that came late nineties two
thousands that would they had to post fade in that game.
You got the Kobe's people, even people Jordan played against
due Clyde Dress, guys like that. The Pippins added to
that game. You know what I'm saying. A lot of
people were trying to add it to that game because
it was unstoppable, but nobody did it like Jordan. He
had the athleticism to see what I'm saying, hang in
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the air and and raise up. Sometimes he was still
floating when the def came down and he was he
was at the top of his heart getting shot off.
So it's one of those things that's literally you think
of Jordan, you're thinking one of the things the post faise.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now you grew up in a hornet's household, were you
allowed to practice the fadeaway jumper?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Absolutely, that's one of the things Jordan and his moves
is transcends rivalries. And you know what I'm saying, everybody
emulated Jordan. You watch the Come Fly with Me's and
all the all the different brandings. Jordan was okay in
every household.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was gonna say he might be the one player
despite rivalries. He was marketed throughout the world, you know
what I mean. Like, obviously guys were acting for autographs
during the you know, like during the dream Team era,
but then you really think about like just opposing players
actually for tennis shoes and things of that nature. Like
(04:49):
you know, obviously we talked about the goat of the
era and in the nineties. Obviously we're gonna have high praise
for Michael Jordan because that's where he solely dominated. Not
close or similar, but Hakeem Olga's dream shaking.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, that's one of the things he's he actually is.
He's dope because he actually tried to teach it, like
people would go to when he retired. You know, you
hear all the people Dwight Howard, who else went to
some of his he was like Johnny Kobe.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean a lot of guys. I mean the fact
that Kobe went to go see him. I think the
beauty of it is like he's almost like a ballerina
with his footwork, or a seven footer. I mean he
could type rope a line and just do what he
really wanted to do. Man. And like the fakes. If
you see the clips of Shock trying to guard him,
and Shock's just jumping everywhere, He's just torn with him.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Man, they gave you a shake the turnover either shoulder
if you're on that turn that turnover the right shoulder
he's stepping through.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He might give you a couple of punk fakes spin back. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Like talk about counters. He had counter on top of
counter on top of counter for the dream shake. So
like you said, they have those those life. I think
some of that you hear stories about him and and
interviews and things like his soccer background helped his footwork
in that sense, like light feed, Like you said, being
able to use pivots off either foot, which is it's
(06:10):
harder than it looks. Some people can only pivot off
they left foot, but being able to pivot off the
right just as good makes it even harder to guard.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, most people don't know how. They don't even know
about pivots, man reverse pivots, Like, that's all fundamentals though,
that's stuff that you really have to really have to
practice because people aren't thinking like how everybody else, like
actual basketball players are thinking. They're just like, now that's
a travel It's like you don't know the step throughs.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That's the basics.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it's the basic fundamentals that a lot of people
skipping over these days that allows you to do to
some of these high quality moves. Like I remember back
in the day, like what twenty when was twenty fourteen whatever,
when Steve Kerr was hired by the Warriors, and I
remember talking to Steph about their training camp. The first
we were just chopping up after the first week of
(06:57):
training camp. He's like, man, this guy got us in here.
The first twenty minutes of practice is lily basic elementary fundamentals,
like we with two dribbled jump stop pivot, pivot pivot,
two more dribbled jump stop pivot pivot pit.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's a dinosaur now.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, that was really the first Yeah, that was the
first fifteen to twenty minutes of every one of their
practices when Steve Kerr got there. Obviously that probably comes
from the there's days with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And plan of the you know what I'm saying. The
goat over.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There, But that's why it matters. I mean, that's why
they have so much success, you know what I mean.
It probably was annoying to the players, but at the
end of the day, like those moments just click in,
you know what I mean, to make the right place.
How many times that do the Warriors make costly turnovers?
You know what I mean, like a random player running
over for a charge. They're not doing that too often.
(07:48):
They're not leaving their feet to make passes, you know
what I'm saying. Like they're truly disciplined, a well oil
machine on how they go about things and take care
of the paull. So that makes sense. We're gonna take
a quick break, but when we'll get back, we're gonna
talk about some of the best crossovers.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Another signature move that's highlights all up and down in nineties,
the AI crossovers.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Right that that signature move was banned, like to the
point where they literally he for one. This is the
first time I like, I think got like teared up,
right Jordan versus Iverson right, I remember everybody was on
Irish and I couldn't stand iverson Bro like he was cool,
(08:41):
but Jordan's like it was nothing nobody could tell me.
So I'm watching the game. He hit Mike boom, then
he hit him again, and it just was like, I
don't know, Bro, I just watched my my, my hero
just like lose his first It's like lose your first
fight type thing, like oh he was undefeated. He finally
(09:04):
you know, like Jordan and them still won the game.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But Bro like, yeah, the city that that's the signature
moment of that game. Yeah, the double, the crossover on
his idol, you know what I'm saying, and doing it twice,
you know it's gonna work. And he was like he
had a down pass so bad, like he said, they
had a band. They made a rule against it, like
you couldn't carry anymore, couldn't put.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Your Kobe actually had had a great crossover too, man,
but he stopped using it after a while because again
like most of them do for getting high turnovers because
the older players. This is how much the haters hates
was right, guys, thirteen sixteen year pro they was not
feeling that, they was not feeling that at all Man
to a point where guys were just pawming it, like,
(09:44):
oh they pawming it. They like nah, you know what
I mean, Like because it was getting to that point
of like it was almost an advantage. It was something
they had never seen. And that's the infamus clip of
grand Hill crossing over Scottie Pippen and go on baseline
and Duncan Like a lot of them dudes was getting
hit with it. But could you imagine, like that's the
transition of the game and where it was going because
(10:04):
it was new blood entering the league.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And he was only one doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, Steve Francis, the Marlbury's, a lot of the guards.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We had to move, but a I was the one
who you think about when you think about the big
heavy wide carry type crossover.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now we're gonna talk about another crossover, right this move
right here, man and the Tim Hardaway you tab two
step the killer crossover, killer crossover, you know what I'm saying. Like, honestly,
this had multiple names. You know, it was called something
else in Chicago. I had a chance to talk to
Tim Hardaway Senior about it, like man, like he was
(10:43):
just like that was just a part of his game
and just getting open. But he was just getting people
like and then was joints that I used to just
like practice all the time alone, like just trying like
crossing my shadow because I just really wanted my game
type like that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But yeah, I still saw my work on like daily.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's one of the really the moves you work on
just to keep the handle tight, like between between cross
twin cross. It's one of the things just you see everybody.
It's one of the warm up drills that a lot
of kids go to. Yeah, and it was something like
they he did it so quick, he got so low
to the ground, did it so quick that it just
shocked the defender. Sometimes she was like to speed that
(11:24):
it worked with and he could get to a jump
shot with it or get to the rack.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Now it was ultimately effective, I mean enough for him
to get a signature shoe and be on the cover
of NBA Live and it's more stuff. Man, he was
He was really like that for real. Hey man. Speaking
of crossovers, I mean I'm looking on Instagram. Well actually
I was watching the game, but it looked better on clips,
you know what I mean, because the score differential was
(11:50):
a little different, but you kind of get you drunk. Somebody, Man,
what's up man? A lot of people think you just
a shooter. He man, what's going on on that play?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
A lot of people miss they can first and foremost.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So you watch my career, you know, I get to
it at all three levels a little bit, but later
in the day. I've been more of a spot up
guy this year, but every once in a while, you know,
I get to get to clear the floor a little
bit and get to get my bag a little bit.
It's one of those we talk about my go to
moves or whatever, and it's kind of a play off
the heavy and just just get into it. God thinks,
(12:24):
God thinks I'm going to the right head he quit
cross step back, and sometimes you get him at.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The right time.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I ain't think the move, honestly, I ain't think the
move is that crazy to where you're gonna fall.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I'm gonna take the highlight and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Did you like laugh did you try to hold it
in like as far as like, oh, because you know
them type of because of that, because of the like
the dynamic of the game, right, You're like you understand
the flow. You can't really go too crazy, you can't
really taunt, you can't do too much.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because we was down.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We weren't like it down out wasn't getting the flow
of the game. But it's just kind of still like
how do I hyped? Too hyped? But also like, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, the crazy thing about those moves where you kind
of dropped somebody or the crowds owing an eye, you
kind of it kind of like heightens your senses because
you're like, oh, now I got to make the shot.
Like it ain't it'll hit the same if you make
the move and you miss the shot. So they kind
of helped me lock into the shot a little bit more.
And then he was like kind of below me too,
so like it kind of scared me. I was in
(13:23):
the air jumping the shoot and he's below me. I
don't want to land twist my ankle, and he kind
of grabbed me a little bit. So I'm like I
got a land on one foot and it was dope
because I kind of got to play finish the and
one knocked down the free throw.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It all worked out, yeah, and you probably got some
cool points in the locker room. Man. A lot of
the young guys, not the young guy that A lot
of the young guys didn't expect that. You know, they
don't watch they don't watch games man.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So the lot of them don't know except from four
or five, six years ago either that was getting to
it of the dribble a lot. And and then you
know the young dude, especially our team full of young guys,
uh young, and they lived for the highlights.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They in the House of Highlights clip era.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So they wake up going to the gym hoping somebody
get dropped, to get dunked on, and that's all they're
gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That's definitely for me. A top five Hornets, Hornets season play.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And the top of all off.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I got Eric Collins, the Playboy play guy over there,
the best in the league, best in the league for
she asked to it. I saw him in the clip.
I was watching that. He was he bought right behind me.
Stands up, he pointing, he was into it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, he's the greatest salesman. Man. I I'm not gonna
lie I was bought. But yeah, man, we'll get that.
We'll get we'll get that new T shirts and the
merch printed up SETH crossover.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Okay, Shaquille O'Neill man power step, don't he made a song?
Don't the funk with a nasty dunk? He shacks size, agility,
you know, like in the nineties most people are right now,
(15:08):
they see shack and they think like, oh, he wasn't mobile,
like he was fast. And then also like when he
started to pick up weight, because he fluctuated with his
weight once he got to them the high two eighties
to three hundreds to three twenties, there was no chance
Chris Dudley, you know what I mean, not to mention
you like this Chris Dudley, but you know the infamous
(15:30):
where he dunks on him, he pushes him and then
Dudley gets up and throws the ball at him like
it's not too many people. And obviously people argue that
Dray would be able to defend him or you know,
like Robin is one of the best defenders we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No he shll had problem with him, Like nobody has
a chance. I don't care what era, No matter the size,
you have no chance. Because well one thing about Shaq
and we were talking about this earlier, but his footwork
was crazy, like people as always he he would pivot drops,
set you up, get a little angle, and then use
that size to to get to that drop step dunk,
(16:05):
and everybody was always looking for a way to stop it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So you see the bigs.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh that's a travel, that's a travel, the whole bench
screaming trying to get a travel call. But now his
footwork was impeccable to the point where he he had
a down pack, dropped one to boom pump fake pump, fake,
and just rise up over you and dunk on you.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And I don't think he really had to have. Him't
have to establish yourself like most people, right, he had
like once he once he parked up on the low post,
like if you ain't good good angle, you might as
well just get that off the neck because you either
gonna get kicked. Because that was just another thing too.
He he dunked it so hard that it became his
signature logo.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's what I was about to say, this is another category.
I was literally about to bring that up, because this
is another category. Becomes the signature moves, it becomes part
of your brandy, Like you get that silhouette and it
becomes your logo and put it on your shoes and
you see when you think of shock and you see
you see the silhouete of him hanging on the rim.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, it's Shack the most marketable big man of all time.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Oh by far. Yeah, I don't think it's close.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because I remember a lot of guards wanting big man
stuff like jersey sales, like shoes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
When it comes to shoes, bigs like my name might
as well not even be in the picture with Shaq
has had multiple signature shoes and he's still and retirement.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
He might have got more popular, like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, man from acting, I mean he's up there with
Michael Jordan for sure. Okay, so Carlmelong pick and roll finished.
This kind of goes in with Stockton as well. But
Mailman actually had the Mailman dunk right and behind his head,
and man, he.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Done ain't cap that dunk weak. But it's a weak dunk.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's so weak dunk. But it's also it's also cool
and instead, like that's ready to get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It was people thought it was dope and cool back then.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's like a tunt, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
that's how I look at it like you gotta make
it a week.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Is the big wrist bands he was wearing with it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh yeah, the sweat bands. He mustn't. But also you
gotta think about it before he this is before your time.
He was sponsored by Road Game. He had a real endorsement, okay,
and he had like a Jerry curl right and the
Jerry Girl. This is why he had the bands because
he would be sweating like it was just running down
his face. So I'm pretty sure you gotta put some
(18:34):
respect on the points he scored because that probably the
sweat probably added weight, constantly wiping his wiping his forehead
because it was running. He had the texturizer in his head.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, So remimmy of the Tank.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Remember the Tank fight a couple of weeks ago when
he said that he got his hair done and the
product from his hair got in his eyes, so that's
why he had to take a pause in the middle
of the fight.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I said that our mommy, that's that's a wild excuse.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Towards those finals against the Bulls, he was starting to
ball and then you know those top angles. Yeah, it
was showing. So he became the main face of roguae.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's crazy because people in my in my age group,
they all they all they see is Karl Malone with
the body they don't even know. Oh yeah you no
curls down. No there ain't really know baldy. They just
no body clean cut.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm surprised Rogaine didn't go out of business because he
went he was bald. He decided to transition and he
didn't work. Like it didn't work bro He did agent
seasons and he was just kind of like, all right,
I'm about to go to the Lakers. I'm really about
to ball this up. And it was it was just
so interesting, like I'm gonna show you a picture later
man of of Carl Malone man, especially when he did
(19:49):
the Restless Stint with Dennis Rodman, like he literally had
like a text riz of curl man. It was. It
was pretty crazy. Charles Roxley posted back then, acting actor.
Now you know there's an actual Barkley back down rule
because of this.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yep, you're going back down.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You only have your back to the basket dribbling the
ball for five seconds, right, Because he would he would
bring the ball up the court to clear the side
and back you down for like ten twelve seconds, like
the whole shot, Like just back down, turn back down.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
For context six four two seventy five. Yeah, so you're
not moving them. You're not moving them.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This was like point forward type, and he just had
a ball the whole possession on the side in his
back man. Because for context, this was like this was
illegal defense era, So you either had to come all
the way over and double or if you if you
sat in the lane or got to a point where
you weren't guarding your man, you weren't help and you
weren't guarding the man.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It was a legal defense.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So he was just over there dribbling, dribbling, reading to
the point, where are you coming to double? Or am
I really going to be able to play one on
one this whole possession? If you play one on one,
it was a bucket, right, So they kind of ain't
that rule to where you it was a turnover if
you back down for too long.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, Nah, seriously, I was I was thinking about that.
I was like, man, dude, I couldn't imagine. I've guarded
some like bigger guards and like you know, you active,
you're trying to be annoying. You're trying to like switch
it up and hope that the ball, but like this
dude is just like low ki kind of sitting on you.
I remember I told you a story about Andre Miller,
(21:24):
and it's like, I don't I couldn't recall trying to
guard the Charles Barkley bro Like I probably wouldn't even
be seen behind him. So, I mean Charles Barkley and
his his move I.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Know his teammates had to be mad at that. For
twenty seconds at the shot clock going over there space on.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The floor, you get the hot potato ball, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
And the shot clock I'm catching I finally get the
ball with two seconds on the clock.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
What you tell me to do?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You just you just posted up the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Possession, all right, this one you could speak to man,
I'm pretty sure this was This was religious and now
so the regiment off ball movement and quick release. Man,
how important was that for shooters, especially you being a
great shooter.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Now, this was like I remember being in the backyard
and my dad having me and Steff out there and
in the backyard or in the gym whatever, teaching us
the different tricks of the trade. So we would work
on different ways to get open off the ball. So
when you're a shooter, you obviously you score on the ball,
but off the ball it's a little bit easier. So
(22:28):
we would work on different Like there's a play called
floppy where you're where the guards and the paint and
you got to screen on either side.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You could come off either side.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So he was teaching us the tricks of the trade
as far as like hands laying knees, waiting, acting like
you're tired of a sudden he's taking off, running off
the screen, or when to push off or walk away
from the screen, all these different tricks in the trade
that Scotty, I mean that Reggie Miller had down pack,
Like you remember some of the push offs.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
He had.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Just that's he had all those those tricks and all
the old school vet moves to get a shot off
without making a move with the ball.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You mentioned the tips and tricks. What is still effective
to this day as far as getting open off a screen, A.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Lot of that's still effective.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's just are you in the system that allows it,
because like most today ninety teams run strictly ball screen
right unless you're in the system with like maybe the
heat the Warriors where you run a lot of off
ball stuff, like if you watch Steff play and he's
moving off the ball. Yeah, it looked like Reggie Miller,
like a six Street Reggie Miller like, Oh, you're gonna
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play on the top side, all right, I'm gonna let
you get on top of me and top lock me.
I'm just gonna walk you up and then split second
I'm taking off the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know what I'm saying. So good thing.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, it's a lot of deception and tricks and nasty
push offs that people think Reggie is dirty, but he
was doing what it takes to win it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah. Stuff you really got to watch to pick up.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
They still talk about the infamous push off to this day.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And the signature thing from Reggie was the leg kick.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh right right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Recently kind of got rid.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Of and the lead they changed it to the offensive file.
Yeah that's why I stopped doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, yep, I remember the first half of my career.
I was always turned sticking that leg out hoping somebody's
gonna clip me. That's three free throws, right or if
you didn't, if you didn't you thought about it, you
might foil me. So the contest was a little softer,
but now they kind of bandit you if you stick
that leg out, it could possibly be a officer foul.
So it ain't really it's not worth it anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
When did you stop doing it or stop like you
know what I mean? Were you getting called for too
many files or you felt like it was ineffective?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Not that something I had to consciously like remember work
on and like not to do.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I remember sometimes people see IM about to get a
shot out, they fled me so hard and I just
just it got like second answer to just stick that
leg out, hold the fall through a little longer, so
they clipped me and I might get a chance at
the foul. But like once they changed the rule, maybe
four or five years ago whatever, I had to constantly
think about not doing it because I did have a
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couple office and fouls called against me.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, I mean I used to get frustrated watching it
because I was like, go for the make first. Yeah,
you know you start you start hunting that. And now,
I mean I think a lot of people was watching
James Harden like that when getting frustrated little bit because
again it's part of the game.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
When you watch it, it's not fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, you hate it, especially like when it's against
your team or you do like you're not trying to
it's a nasty trick of the trade, and it's kind
of dangerous to be honest, because that's a whole nother play.
It can end up wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, but if you if you rely on it so much,
then you go away from the strengths that you have,
you know what I'm saying, And it becomes a handicap
for it.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Like you're not trying to make the shot, you're trying
to get fouled, and if you don't get the call,
you probably gonna miss.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So for sure, this next move, Penny hardaway, it's a
clip that floats around every so often, or Penny does
it like drible spin move. I think a couple guys
have like a empty it's been recreated, but just not
as smooth as that one.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Explain, Yeah, the spin and halfway through the spin, it's
like a step back.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, it's a spin step back yeah. Yeah, because he
had that that whole half fake spin type thing that
he picked up, but then he kind of added a
step back to it. How cold was Petty Hardaway?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh he had it all.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
He was like many To me, he reminded like many
t back playing the point before a teammate like six
seven handle shoot it good enough, athletic is all get out.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He was.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He was special and he was cold. He would have
been cold without the injuries. Yeah, Like it's one of
them what ifs. But to talk about this move specifically,
I haven't seen anybody really do it since.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah. I mean, like I said, I've seen clips where
people try to argue it, but it's just not as
smooth as this, you know what I mean. And he
did it so like like so casual into it like
boot and then and then also making the shot like
the shot was going in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Wasn't like the moves like it's so tough. It's like, oh,
I'll let you shoot that. Like wait, he was consistently making.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Man. So this move it's probably the west Man Detroit
Steve Smith Smith Smith. People still use that move to
this day.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that joint was the smitty was cold.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The half to explain the either going usually did a
lot on the baseline, but driving kind of like a
half spin and go back the way you you started
and came from, and it was it was a cold
move because Smitty was an underrated athlete, a little bit
of quickness and good size, and he could play with
the one or the two, like really all guard position.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So yeah, that Smitty was tough.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah. Man, that's one of the ones man, Like probably
didn't probably didn't get the mutt the love in the
nineties as much just because it was just you know,
obviously popular players and stuff like that. But I'm pretty
sure if you go back and watch the film or
you you look at you know, you know how it
is the same way how the young players on your
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team is looking at you. They looking at you know
how we looking at those videos and saying, oh he
had he had a little little, little little wiggle in
his game, you know what I'm saying. So I think
those are the things of how Smith he was bro
and how effective he was.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But this is what we need to educate. Like people
see that move, they don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, they think somebody else did it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, they don't know that's the Steve Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
All right. We gotta go on the defense end. We've
been talking about offensive players.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Man, one of my guys, rest in peace, my God.
The ken Bae Matumbo, the fingerwag astor Man.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That finger wag is one of the most codes celebrations
signature moves you ever could possibly think. First of all,
he getting three folk blocks, he cleaning everything, use glass cleaner.
He's shutting down the whole paint. You're not really getting there.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And then he was so cool he would block and
start a break and not even run back on offense,
just staying there, turns out and wag their.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Finger for you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Got to get the wag off before he moved.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Gotta get it off.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It was so hard, Like getting a wag off is crazy,
like because everybody else going, all the other coaches gonna
tell you like, hey, man, get.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Back, yeah run He like I'm getting there, yo.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You know. He done wag himself into many endorsements and
different commercials and things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Even I feel like it was a time later in
his career where they started cracking down on and giving
him text for it like it was tawny. Yeah, I
was one of the corniest things ever.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I mean, y'all can't even trash talk down, so I
can only imagine man like the frustration that was going on,
but that made it more marketable and fun, you know
what I'm saying, Like, imagine if current day, if a
big could like really trash or TNT or you know
what I'm saying, have something to be very intimidating because
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as a young guy coming into the league and you
say you hear about it, you see, you know what
I mean, Like that was Jordan whole thing. I'm gonna
get him Tumbo because it became such a signature thing.
Like the same way how people feel like, oh, I
want to dunk on Winby because he's tall. It's like, yo, nah,
this is the guy. You're not gonna get him. Like
think about the gambling odds of like if you could catch,
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if you could dunk on a Tumbo three times or
something like that, you know what i mean, Like ideally
in that situation, like it's like.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It was a taunt and that's that's what made the
nineties fun, right, you could shack t a shack signature
move dunking on you. He could dunk on you and
stare at you, you know what I'm saying, and get
away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean. Sean Camp pointed that ris gambling.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And Scottie Pippen standing over the dude they just dunked on,
pointing out the laughing and not even getting at Teck right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Those I mean those are the good times, man, because
they just let it roll. I mean there's a situation
going on in the league now, I mean players using
their fingers or whatever, but like it's very harmless if
nobody got hurt. You got to just keep it moving, man.
I mean we've reached to a point where the game
is becoming two PC and again again, I don't say
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it touches the competitiveness, but you know, when you in
the moment, you gotta let things happen.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, and when you cracking down celebrations, yeah, it hurts
the brandy Like you can't give Yeah they want to,
we can't. It's been the talk lately of the face
of the league and who's the face of the league
and whoere the stars that after bron and Katie and
Stephan Autumn retire. But you're not letting these guys show
their personality on the floor as much. That's that's one
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of the reasons why, like these guys need some signature
celebrations and things that they do on the floor that
people recognize them for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Absolutely, Man, Let let let players talk. Man, if you
want to fix the NBA, let us talk. Man, let
him talk, please let it let us talk again, man
for real? All right, display This is the last one
we're gonna cover. Man, And this one is still one
of the greatest moves of all time. You know what
I mean. You got a chance to to get to
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know this guy. You know what I mean. He's part
of your coaching staff when you play for the Dallas
Marriage God sham guys, god sham guy. See again, you
was to your providence even with the Wizard I mean,
well the Washington Bullets at the time. This guy, this
move is so crazy that it's been added, it's been recreated.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's my guy.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, and we need to bring him. We need to
have him on the pot to talk about this. I'm
with himself, Wady. He was with me for years and
in Dallas, literally my trainer for years, working me out
a lot of times in gym. And it's funny because, uh,
you here see all the people that come in and
look at my Look at my sham, guy, look at
my sham. Show me how to do it. He it's
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come funny because he do it a little different than
you see now days the way he first did it.
If he explained it to you, it's a little different,
and so everybody has their own touch on it, which
is which makes them move even doper.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But when we're in the games and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You see a guy like Kyrie do it or job,
some people do it in the game and the first
thing they do after they do it and make the
move and score, they look over to the bench and
like make a face of Sham. And that's just the
respect people have for him around the league, even though
he wasn't a guy who had a long NBA career.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Which which is dope.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like he he really made it, made it famous in
college and probably played a year or two in the league.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But you got some of the best guards of all.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Time, like Kobe and those guys coming to him try
to learn his signature move and learn how to handle
the ball, which is I mean, he's just here legend
in and of himself.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
He had it on the strength. Now I'm gonna age
myself right here. But do you know God Sham God's
name before he switched his name.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh I did, But I'm blinking right now what was it?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Sham god Wells, Sham god Wills, yep, sham got well Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
We're gonna have him on here to talk about the nineties,
talking about my bestball handlers or what because you got
we get him.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
On there for sure. All right, we're gonna go for
a break, but when we come back, we're gonna give
our coat. Top five of signature moves of nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
All right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I'ma started off man, I'm started off with my goat
top five like I usually do it, from five to one.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
All right, number five, we got to the Kimba finger wag.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean when I think of the nineties, I think
a defense, I think of that finger wag. So the
kimbay one of my favorite bigs of all time. Number four,
the dream shape, Number three, m J Fadeaway two, the
sham guy, because he did it in college, but it
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made his way to the pro the best, the best
guards of all time doing it and everybody adding their
own little sprinkle on it the way they do it,
So sham guy. My number two and number one goat
signature move of the nineties is to kill a crossover.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Tim Hardaway it's just something special about it. So tough.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I like that list, man, I like that list for real, Okay,
I mean we got some little similarities on there, man,
little similarities. I'm gonna start, you know, with the you know,
the fingerwave at five. It's very impactful still to this day.
You know what I mean. People do it non basketball related.
It's just cultural reference. At four, I got the Penny Spin.
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It's too pretty. It's too pretty to leave off the list.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Man, it's tough, but the longevity ain't there for me.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, the longevity ain't there. But it's just man, it's
just it's hard to duplicate, man. And you know, once
I see it, it just takes me to a good time.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I keep going.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
For three, I got the m J Fadeaway.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know they both got it at three. Yeah, that
one shock I.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Would love to man. But you know, I'm thinking about where, where,
what I actually used and what was truly effective. Man.
And I I personally didn't do too many faith aways
in my life.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So you gotta have some size to do that. You
gotta be you gotta be like at least like a
six or five.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Now I'm playing at the local fitness club or something
like that, and I got somebody five nine on me.
I might try to be guarded. I ain't gonna try
to be doing all that. But that two, I got
Irison's crossover, you know what I mean, Like, got to
get that in there, you know what I mean. It
was so nice that they you know, they they took
it and took out the carrying and added carrying. Called
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a pulman for that. And then number one we got
sham God. You know that's that's like one of the
goat moves. Man, It's literally I literally think that that's
the goat move. It's the goat move. It's it's been
done thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Bro, Like you know when you see it's like, oh,
that's a sham guy like it is, you know when
you see it in like a.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Favorite sham guy might be Westbrook because it because it
be yeah, it be so far out and he snatches
it back and it's like okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
West Man got a couple of tough and he and Diamond.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He might dive me like lay however man like legit. Yeah,
I didn't have Ai crossover on my list. I mean,
it's a tough list, But it's.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You have some good ones on there though.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I mean, you know, yeah, I like the dream you
ain't got the dream shake on there?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Which is which is another thing? I mean you can have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, I add that on it because like nobody does
it know what that's one of those, like a lot
of these moves other people have taken in and stolen.
Put there on spinner. But who tell me somebody else
who does a dream shape?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I wish y'an has picked it up.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He ain't got it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
He ain't got it, he ain't got it close. He
ain't close, man, I don't think he just move a
little spot a step slower. I don't think anybody but
everybody you see guy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Try to do it and they don't have it. It
don't look as good, bro, but it just don't. The
fluidity ain't there, the shoulder like he that thing was tough.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
All right, well y'all, y'all here our go, farve man,
give us a vote. I honestly think I won. But
Seth has a pretty good list, you know what I mean.
I'm not I'm not even mad at his list. I
think it's it's really good. But everybody love a sham god.
So man, make sure y'all sent us your votes, your comments,
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let us know who won uh and had the best
debate the filling. Now I'm gonna move on to Born
in the Wrong eerr segment. This is this is the
fun one, man, because again this makes you think really hard.
And for this one, since we're doing signature moves, but
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we've seen a few, which signature move would be the
most effective in this era.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's ironic because I didn't have it on my list,
but the AI crossover is my Born and the Wrong
Era because let's keep it, keep it a button. Now
you can you can break the rules now if it
looked good enough in today's NBA where they want a
lot of scoring, you can travel.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh you know you're in a couple of clips of traveling.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You can travel if the move look good enough to
let the rest let you get away with it, and
you definitely can carry It's some guys out there that
got a crazy crossover in the league right now where
that the AI crossover you can do it, so they
let you push off Carrie travel all that. And if
a I was in today's today's game where he could
get away with that he'll be a flat out bucket.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that.
I probably the dream shake Bro, Okay. I just think
that he would be cooking so much. But also he'd
just be a foul merchant, like he would be get
into the line so much too, just going up and under.
I don't think ideally he was trying to do that.
He just wanted the bucket and get back. But he played.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I think he said what I said he was he
was an ethical hooper.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, he ain't trying to do that. But
this time, I think Bro, he would be up there
in the Yokic conversations just just really filling the stat
sheet up because it'd be so many guys trying to
defend and leaving their feet like I love to see
Draymond trying to guard Bro, like you know.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, no chance, no chance, the full work. And he
was quick man, yeah quick.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I'll give Drake credit for, like, you know, discipline.
He ain't leaving his feet too much. He got quick
hands and things of that nature. But again, the size
the movement, and that's another thing people don't think about.
How when he in the post and how quick he spin. Yeah,
he might bang on you right then and there, or
he might just toy around and just go hoighever he
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wanted to and just laugh at you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You know what I'm saying now that I think of it,
the closest person that I've seen try to do a
dream shake was probably Theamorrow.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, Tomorrow will give you the old school.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Slow turn his back and he could pivot over eave
and he don't really work the shoulders as much, but
he could turn his back to you and he might
pivot right, he might pivot left. So now I'm trying
trying to think of somebody that that's gotten close to
having a dream shakedown.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I'm gonna give it to Theamorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah that's but see again, student of Kobe. Tomor spent
all that time with Kobe, and Kobe came back with that.
I'm pretty sure he probably gave gave dream fifty k
It's like, yo, let me teach me everything. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Word on the street was he was taxing.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
He was for sure taxes.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
He was six figures from what I heard.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know what I'm saying. He had to say say
the last dance classes, I ain't mad at it. Man,
get your money dream man. But yeah, not definitely, two
great moves that were transcend into the game. I think
that's it. I think we covered all in, all the moves,
then we leave anything out.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I think we covered it all. I mean, I'm sure
we probably did forget a couple. But if anybody to
listen to the pod and want to add a two cents,
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Mailman actually had the Mailman dunk right, put his hand
and behind his head and he man.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He done. I ain't a cap that dunk week.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is before your time. He was sponsored by Road Game.
He had a real endorsement, okay talking, and he had
like a Jerry curl right and the Jerry Girl. This
is why he had the bands because he would be
sweating like it was just running down his face. So
I'm pretty sure you gotta put some respect on the
points he scored because that probably the sweat probably added weight.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Burning his eyes, be constantly.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wiping his wiping his forehead because it was running. He
had to texturizer in his head, right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, this remind me of Tank.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Remember the Tank fight a couple of years ago when
he said that he got his hair done and the
product from his hair got in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So that's why he had to take a pause in
the middle of the fight that said that. Remonda is
all right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Welcome back to another episode of Go G O T
Greatest the Era.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's going on? Tright?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's up? Steph crossover?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's up? My boy? Uh? We're back with another episode.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Last week, were took a trip back to the nineties
talking about the greatest teams of the nineties. It was
some good some good banter in there, some good trip
down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And this week we're staying in the nineties. Were keeping
it here?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, man, Golden Era, Golden Ere, Yeah, for sure, have
to stay here. Man. I mean this is a fun one. Man.
You know the greatest signature moves of the nineteen nineties.
This is the where your imagination ran them up. You
were able to practice those moves and do those five
for three two one countdowns and uh man, we got
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some great signature moves. But before we start that, man,
I want to know what's your signature move.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't really have like a signature type move. I
would say I got go to moves. I would say
the go to move will probably be the the has
he going right? I think all I think it's probably
if you talked that the coaches and people around the league,
they ask what's on the scout report for Seth Curry,
They'll probably say that that has he right if you
go into the rim or if you're going left, step
back left, one of those two.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But that's all stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean, I picked up a lot of stuff from
a lot of people's different games and stuff we're gonna
talk about today and try to implement it in my game.
But I ain't really a one on one type guy.
Throughout my career, I haven't played a lot of one
on one, so I can't I can't really put myself
in a category of having a signature move.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Let's talk about why we're here right now. Man, the nineties, man,
and we've all practiced these moves in the driveway, and
one of the moves that is currently still being used today.
It's been reinvented multiple times. Multiple people say, oh, this
person has the best one. But the Michael it's like iconic.
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You know. Obviously Jordan stuck his tongue out when he
you know, when he was focused and how clutching and
the footwork is the underrated part of it, and the
elevation and body control because he could take that shot.
He was rare. Like most people forget that, Michael Jordan's
a shooting guard posting up. He's one of the best
post players in the game's history.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
In fact, how effective it was that move, It's like
you said, it's unstoppable. There's something you could they could
go to at any time in the game, and it's
really simple. You put put your shoulder into a turn,
turnover either shoulder and get your jay off. And it's
one of these signature move you got. You tell people
washing and emulated as they're coming up and growing older.
(03:34):
Because the amount of guards that came late nineties two
thousands that would they had to post fade in that game.
You got the Kobe's people, even people Jordan played against
due Clyde Dress, guys like that. The Pippins added to
that game. You know what I'm saying. A lot of
people were trying to add it to that game because
it was unstoppable, but nobody did it like Jordan. He
had the athleticism to see what I'm saying, hang in
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the air and and raise up. Sometimes he was still
floating when the def came down and he was he
was at the top of his heart getting shot off.
So it's one of those things that's literally you think
of Jordan, you're thinking one of the things the post faise.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now you grew up in a hornet's household, were you
allowed to practice the fadeaway jumper?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Absolutely, that's one of the things Jordan and his moves
is transcends rivalries. And you know what I'm saying, everybody
emulated Jordan. You watch the Come Fly with Me's and
all the all the different brandings. Jordan was okay in
every household.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was gonna say he might be the one player
despite rivalries. He was marketed throughout the world, you know
what I mean. Like, obviously guys were acting for autographs
during the you know, like during the dream Team era,
but then you really think about like just opposing players
actually for tennis shoes and things of that nature. Like
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you know, obviously we talked about the goat of the
era and in the nineties. Obviously we're gonna have high praise
for Michael Jordan because that's where he solely dominated. Not
close or similar, but Hakeem Olga's dream shaking.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, that's one of the things he's he actually is.
He's dope because he actually tried to teach it, like
people would go to when he retired. You know, you
hear all the people Dwight Howard, who else went to
some of his he was like Johnny Kobe.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean a lot of guys. I mean the fact
that Kobe went to go see him. I think the
beauty of it is like he's almost like a ballerina
with his footwork, or a seven footer. I mean he
could type rope a line and just do what he
really wanted to do. Man. And like the fakes. If
you see the clips of Shock trying to guard him,
and Shock's just jumping everywhere, He's just torn with him.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Man, they gave you a shake the turnover either shoulder
if you're on that turn that turnover the right shoulder
he's stepping through.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He might give you a couple of punk fakes spin back. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Like talk about counters. He had counter on top of
counter on top of counter for the dream shake. So
like you said, they have those those life. I think
some of that you hear stories about him and and
interviews and things like his soccer background helped his footwork
in that sense, like light feed, Like you said, being
able to use pivots off either foot, which is it's
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harder than it looks. Some people can only pivot off
they left foot, but being able to pivot off the
right just as good makes it even harder to guard.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, most people don't know how. They don't even know
about pivots, man reverse pivots, Like, that's all fundamentals though,
that's stuff that you really have to really have to
practice because people aren't thinking like how everybody else, like
actual basketball players are thinking. They're just like, now that's
a travel It's like you don't know the step throughs.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That's the basics.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it's the basic fundamentals that a lot of people
skipping over these days that allows you to do to
some of these high quality moves. Like I remember back
in the day, like what twenty when was twenty fourteen whatever,
when Steve Kerr was hired by the Warriors, and I
remember talking to Steph about their training camp. The first
we were just chopping up after the first week of
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training camp. He's like, man, this guy got us in here.
The first twenty minutes of practice is lily basic elementary fundamentals,
like we with two dribbled jump stop pivot, pivot pivot,
two more dribbled jump stop pivot pivot pit.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's a dinosaur now.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, that was really the first Yeah, that was the
first fifteen to twenty minutes of every one of their
practices when Steve Kerr got there. Obviously that probably comes
from the there's days with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And plan of the you know what I'm saying. The
goat over.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There, But that's why it matters. I mean, that's why
they have so much success, you know what I mean.
It probably was annoying to the players, but at the
end of the day, like those moments just click in,
you know what I mean, to make the right place.
How many times that do the Warriors make costly turnovers?
You know what I mean, like a random player running
over for a charge. They're not doing that too often.
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They're not leaving their feet to make passes, you know
what I'm saying. Like they're truly disciplined, a well oil
machine on how they go about things and take care
of the paull. So that makes sense. We're gonna take
a quick break, but when we'll get back, we're gonna
talk about some of the best crossovers.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Another signature move that's highlights all up and down in nineties,
the AI crossovers.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Right that that signature move was banned, like to the
point where they literally he for one. This is the
first time I like, I think got like teared up,
right Jordan versus Iverson right, I remember everybody was on
Irish and I couldn't stand iverson Bro like he was cool,
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but Jordan's like it was nothing nobody could tell me.
So I'm watching the game. He hit Mike boom, then
he hit him again, and it just was like, I
don't know, Bro, I just watched my my, my hero
just like lose his first It's like lose your first
fight type thing, like oh he was undefeated. He finally
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you know, like Jordan and them still won the game.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But Bro like, yeah, the city that that's the signature
moment of that game. Yeah, the double, the crossover on
his idol, you know what I'm saying, and doing it twice,
you know it's gonna work. And he was like he
had a down pass so bad, like he said, they
had a band. They made a rule against it, like
you couldn't carry anymore, couldn't put.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Your Kobe actually had had a great crossover too, man,
but he stopped using it after a while because again
like most of them do for getting high turnovers because
the older players. This is how much the haters hates
was right, guys, thirteen sixteen year pro they was not
feeling that, they was not feeling that at all Man
to a point where guys were just pawming it, like,
(09:44):
oh they pawming it. They like nah, you know what
I mean, Like because it was getting to that point
of like it was almost an advantage. It was something
they had never seen. And that's the infamus clip of
grand Hill crossing over Scottie Pippen and go on baseline
and Duncan Like a lot of them dudes was getting
hit with it. But could you imagine, like that's the
transition of the game and where it was going because
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it was new blood entering the league.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And he was only one doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, Steve Francis, the Marlbury's, a lot of the guards.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We had to move, but a I was the one
who you think about when you think about the big
heavy wide carry type crossover.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now we're gonna talk about another crossover, right this move
right here, man and the Tim Hardaway you tab two
step the killer crossover, killer crossover, you know what I'm saying. Like, honestly,
this had multiple names. You know, it was called something
else in Chicago. I had a chance to talk to
Tim Hardaway Senior about it, like man, like he was
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just like that was just a part of his game
and just getting open. But he was just getting people
like and then was joints that I used to just
like practice all the time alone, like just trying like
crossing my shadow because I just really wanted my game
type like that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But yeah, I still saw my work on like daily.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's one of the really the moves you work on
just to keep the handle tight, like between between cross
twin cross. It's one of the things just you see everybody.
It's one of the warm up drills that a lot
of kids go to. Yeah, and it was something like
they he did it so quick, he got so low
to the ground, did it so quick that it just
shocked the defender. Sometimes she was like to speed that
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it worked with and he could get to a jump
shot with it or get to the rack.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Now it was ultimately effective, I mean enough for him
to get a signature shoe and be on the cover
of NBA Live and it's more stuff. Man, he was
He was really like that for real. Hey man. Speaking
of crossovers, I mean I'm looking on Instagram. Well actually
I was watching the game, but it looked better on clips,
you know what I mean, because the score differential was
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a little different, but you kind of get you drunk. Somebody, Man,
what's up man? A lot of people think you just
a shooter. He man, what's going on on that play?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
A lot of people miss they can first and foremost.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So you watch my career, you know, I get to
it at all three levels a little bit, but later
in the day. I've been more of a spot up
guy this year, but every once in a while, you know,
I get to get to clear the floor a little
bit and get to get my bag a little bit.
It's one of those we talk about my go to
moves or whatever, and it's kind of a play off
the heavy and just just get into it. God thinks,
(12:24):
God thinks I'm going to the right head he quit
cross step back, and sometimes you get him at.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The right time.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I ain't think the move, honestly, I ain't think the
move is that crazy to where you're gonna fall.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I'm gonna take the highlight and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Did you like laugh did you try to hold it
in like as far as like, oh, because you know
them type of because of that, because of the like
the dynamic of the game, right, You're like you understand
the flow. You can't really go too crazy, you can't
really taunt, you can't do too much.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because we was down.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We weren't like it down out wasn't getting the flow
of the game. But it's just kind of still like
how do I hyped? Too hyped? But also like, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, the crazy thing about those moves where you kind
of dropped somebody or the crowds owing an eye, you
kind of it kind of like heightens your senses because
you're like, oh, now I got to make the shot.
Like it ain't it'll hit the same if you make
the move and you miss the shot. So they kind
of helped me lock into the shot a little bit more.
And then he was like kind of below me too,
so like it kind of scared me. I was in
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the air jumping the shoot and he's below me. I
don't want to land twist my ankle, and he kind
of grabbed me a little bit. So I'm like I
got a land on one foot and it was dope
because I kind of got to play finish the and
one knocked down the free throw.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It all worked out, yeah, and you probably got some
cool points in the locker room. Man. A lot of
the young guys, not the young guy that A lot
of the young guys didn't expect that. You know, they
don't watch they don't watch games man.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So the lot of them don't know except from four
or five, six years ago either that was getting to
it of the dribble a lot. And and then you
know the young dude, especially our team full of young guys,
uh young, and they lived for the highlights.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They in the House of Highlights clip era.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So they wake up going to the gym hoping somebody
get dropped, to get dunked on, and that's all they're
gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That's definitely for me. A top five Hornets, Hornets season play.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And the top of all off.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I got Eric Collins, the Playboy play guy over there,
the best in the league, best in the league for
she asked to it. I saw him in the clip.
I was watching that. He was he bought right behind me.
Stands up, he pointing, he was into it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, he's the greatest salesman. Man. I I'm not gonna
lie I was bought. But yeah, man, we'll get that.
We'll get we'll get that new T shirts and the
merch printed up SETH crossover.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Okay, Shaquille O'Neill man power step, don't he made a song?
Don't the funk with a nasty dunk? He shacks size, agility,
you know, like in the nineties most people are right now,
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they see shack and they think like, oh, he wasn't mobile,
like he was fast. And then also like when he
started to pick up weight, because he fluctuated with his
weight once he got to them the high two eighties
to three hundreds to three twenties, there was no chance
Chris Dudley, you know what I mean, not to mention
you like this Chris Dudley, but you know the infamous
(15:30):
where he dunks on him, he pushes him and then
Dudley gets up and throws the ball at him like
it's not too many people. And obviously people argue that
Dray would be able to defend him or you know,
like Robin is one of the best defenders we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No he shll had problem with him, Like nobody has
a chance. I don't care what era, No matter the size,
you have no chance. Because well one thing about Shaq
and we were talking about this earlier, but his footwork
was crazy, like people as always he he would pivot drops,
set you up, get a little angle, and then use
that size to to get to that drop step dunk,
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and everybody was always looking for a way to stop it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So you see the bigs.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh that's a travel, that's a travel, the whole bench
screaming trying to get a travel call. But now his
footwork was impeccable to the point where he he had
a down pack, dropped one to boom pump fake pump, fake,
and just rise up over you and dunk on you.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And I don't think he really had to have. Him't
have to establish yourself like most people, right, he had
like once he once he parked up on the low post,
like if you ain't good good angle, you might as
well just get that off the neck because you either
gonna get kicked. Because that was just another thing too.
He he dunked it so hard that it became his
signature logo.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's what I was about to say, this is another category.
I was literally about to bring that up, because this
is another category. Becomes the signature moves, it becomes part
of your brandy, Like you get that silhouette and it
becomes your logo and put it on your shoes and
you see when you think of shock and you see
you see the silhouete of him hanging on the rim.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, it's Shack the most marketable big man of all time.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Oh by far. Yeah, I don't think it's close.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because I remember a lot of guards wanting big man
stuff like jersey sales, like shoes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
When it comes to shoes, bigs like my name might
as well not even be in the picture with Shaq
has had multiple signature shoes and he's still and retirement.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
He might have got more popular, like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, man from acting, I mean he's up there with
Michael Jordan for sure. Okay, so Carlmelong pick and roll finished.
This kind of goes in with Stockton as well. But
Mailman actually had the Mailman dunk right and behind his head,
and man, he.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Done ain't cap that dunk weak. But it's a weak dunk.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's so weak dunk. But it's also it's also cool
and instead, like that's ready to get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It was people thought it was dope and cool back then.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's like a tunt, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
that's how I look at it like you gotta make
it a week.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Is the big wrist bands he was wearing with it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh yeah, the sweat bands. He mustn't. But also you
gotta think about it before he this is before your time.
He was sponsored by Road Game. He had a real endorsement, okay,
and he had like a Jerry curl right and the
Jerry Girl. This is why he had the bands because
he would be sweating like it was just running down
his face. So I'm pretty sure you gotta put some
(18:34):
respect on the points he scored because that probably the
sweat probably added weight, constantly wiping his wiping his forehead
because it was running. He had the texturizer in his head.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, So remimmy of the Tank.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Remember the Tank fight a couple of weeks ago when
he said that he got his hair done and the
product from his hair got in his eyes, so that's
why he had to take a pause in the middle
of the fight.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I said that our mommy, that's that's a wild excuse.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Towards those finals against the Bulls, he was starting to
ball and then you know those top angles. Yeah, it
was showing. So he became the main face of roguae.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's crazy because people in my in my age group,
they all they all they see is Karl Malone with
the body they don't even know. Oh yeah you no
curls down. No there ain't really know baldy. They just
no body clean cut.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm surprised Rogaine didn't go out of business because he
went he was bald. He decided to transition and he
didn't work. Like it didn't work bro He did agent
seasons and he was just kind of like, all right,
I'm about to go to the Lakers. I'm really about
to ball this up. And it was it was just
so interesting, like I'm gonna show you a picture later
man of of Carl Malone man, especially when he did
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the Restless Stint with Dennis Rodman, like he literally had
like a text riz of curl man. It was. It
was pretty crazy. Charles Roxley posted back then, acting actor.
Now you know there's an actual Barkley back down rule
because of this.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yep, you're going back down.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You only have your back to the basket dribbling the
ball for five seconds, right, Because he would he would
bring the ball up the court to clear the side
and back you down for like ten twelve seconds, like
the whole shot, Like just back down, turn back down.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
For context six four two seventy five. Yeah, so you're
not moving them. You're not moving them.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This was like point forward type, and he just had
a ball the whole possession on the side in his
back man. Because for context, this was like this was
illegal defense era, So you either had to come all
the way over and double or if you if you
sat in the lane or got to a point where
you weren't guarding your man, you weren't help and you
weren't guarding the man.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It was a legal defense.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So he was just over there dribbling, dribbling, reading to
the point, where are you coming to double? Or am
I really going to be able to play one on
one this whole possession? If you play one on one,
it was a bucket, right, So they kind of ain't
that rule to where you it was a turnover if
you back down for too long.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, Nah, seriously, I was I was thinking about that.
I was like, man, dude, I couldn't imagine. I've guarded
some like bigger guards and like you know, you active,
you're trying to be annoying. You're trying to like switch
it up and hope that the ball, but like this
dude is just like low ki kind of sitting on you.
I remember I told you a story about Andre Miller,
(21:24):
and it's like, I don't I couldn't recall trying to
guard the Charles Barkley bro Like I probably wouldn't even
be seen behind him. So, I mean Charles Barkley and
his his move I.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Know his teammates had to be mad at that. For
twenty seconds at the shot clock going over there space on.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The floor, you get the hot potato ball, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
And the shot clock I'm catching I finally get the
ball with two seconds on the clock.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
What you tell me to do?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You just you just posted up the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Possession, all right, this one you could speak to man,
I'm pretty sure this was This was religious and now
so the regiment off ball movement and quick release. Man,
how important was that for shooters, especially you being a
great shooter.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Now, this was like I remember being in the backyard
and my dad having me and Steff out there and
in the backyard or in the gym whatever, teaching us
the different tricks of the trade. So we would work
on different ways to get open off the ball. So
when you're a shooter, you obviously you score on the ball,
but off the ball it's a little bit easier. So
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we would work on different Like there's a play called
floppy where you're where the guards and the paint and
you got to screen on either side.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You could come off either side.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So he was teaching us the tricks of the trade
as far as like hands laying knees, waiting, acting like
you're tired of a sudden he's taking off, running off
the screen, or when to push off or walk away
from the screen, all these different tricks in the trade
that Scotty, I mean that Reggie Miller had down pack,
Like you remember some of the push offs.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
He had.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Just that's he had all those those tricks and all
the old school vet moves to get a shot off
without making a move with the ball.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You mentioned the tips and tricks. What is still effective
to this day as far as getting open off a screen, A.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Lot of that's still effective.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's just are you in the system that allows it,
because like most today ninety teams run strictly ball screen
right unless you're in the system with like maybe the
heat the Warriors where you run a lot of off
ball stuff, like if you watch Steff play and he's
moving off the ball. Yeah, it looked like Reggie Miller,
like a six Street Reggie Miller like, Oh, you're gonna
(23:34):
play on the top side, all right, I'm gonna let
you get on top of me and top lock me.
I'm just gonna walk you up and then split second
I'm taking off the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know what I'm saying. So good thing.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, it's a lot of deception and tricks and nasty
push offs that people think Reggie is dirty, but he
was doing what it takes to win it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah. Stuff you really got to watch to pick up.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
They still talk about the infamous push off to this day.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And the signature thing from Reggie was the leg kick.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh right right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Recently kind of got rid.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Of and the lead they changed it to the offensive file.
Yeah that's why I stopped doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, yep, I remember the first half of my career.
I was always turned sticking that leg out hoping somebody's
gonna clip me. That's three free throws, right or if
you didn't, if you didn't you thought about it, you
might foil me. So the contest was a little softer,
but now they kind of bandit you if you stick
that leg out, it could possibly be a officer foul.
So it ain't really it's not worth it anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
When did you stop doing it or stop like you
know what I mean? Were you getting called for too
many files or you felt like it was ineffective?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Not that something I had to consciously like remember work
on and like not to do.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I remember sometimes people see IM about to get a
shot out, they fled me so hard and I just
just it got like second answer to just stick that
leg out, hold the fall through a little longer, so
they clipped me and I might get a chance at
the foul. But like once they changed the rule, maybe
four or five years ago whatever, I had to constantly
think about not doing it because I did have a
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couple office and fouls called against me.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, I mean I used to get frustrated watching it
because I was like, go for the make first. Yeah,
you know you start you start hunting that. And now,
I mean I think a lot of people was watching
James Harden like that when getting frustrated little bit because
again it's part of the game.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
When you watch it, it's not fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, you hate it, especially like when it's against
your team or you do like you're not trying to
it's a nasty trick of the trade, and it's kind
of dangerous to be honest, because that's a whole nother play.
It can end up wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, but if you if you rely on it so much,
then you go away from the strengths that you have,
you know what I'm saying, And it becomes a handicap
for it.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Like you're not trying to make the shot, you're trying
to get fouled, and if you don't get the call,
you probably gonna miss.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So for sure, this next move, Penny hardaway, it's a
clip that floats around every so often, or Penny does
it like drible spin move. I think a couple guys
have like a empty it's been recreated, but just not
as smooth as that one.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Explain, Yeah, the spin and halfway through the spin, it's
like a step back.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, it's a spin step back yeah. Yeah, because he
had that that whole half fake spin type thing that
he picked up, but then he kind of added a
step back to it. How cold was Petty Hardaway?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh he had it all.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
He was like many To me, he reminded like many
t back playing the point before a teammate like six
seven handle shoot it good enough, athletic is all get out.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He was.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He was special and he was cold. He would have
been cold without the injuries. Yeah, Like it's one of
them what ifs. But to talk about this move specifically,
I haven't seen anybody really do it since.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah. I mean, like I said, I've seen clips where
people try to argue it, but it's just not as
smooth as this, you know what I mean. And he
did it so like like so casual into it like
boot and then and then also making the shot like
the shot was going in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Wasn't like the moves like it's so tough. It's like, oh,
I'll let you shoot that. Like wait, he was consistently making.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Man. So this move it's probably the west Man Detroit
Steve Smith Smith Smith. People still use that move to
this day.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that joint was the smitty was cold.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The half to explain the either going usually did a
lot on the baseline, but driving kind of like a
half spin and go back the way you you started
and came from, and it was it was a cold
move because Smitty was an underrated athlete, a little bit
of quickness and good size, and he could play with
the one or the two, like really all guard position.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So yeah, that Smitty was tough.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah. Man, that's one of the ones man, Like probably
didn't probably didn't get the mutt the love in the
nineties as much just because it was just you know,
obviously popular players and stuff like that. But I'm pretty
sure if you go back and watch the film or
you you look at you know, you know how it
is the same way how the young players on your
(28:09):
team is looking at you. They looking at you know
how we looking at those videos and saying, oh he
had he had a little little, little little wiggle in
his game, you know what I'm saying. So I think
those are the things of how Smith he was bro
and how effective he was.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But this is what we need to educate. Like people
see that move, they don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, they think somebody else did it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, they don't know that's the Steve Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
All right. We gotta go on the defense end. We've
been talking about offensive players.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Man, one of my guys, rest in peace, my God.
The ken Bae Matumbo, the fingerwag astor Man.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That finger wag is one of the most codes celebrations
signature moves you ever could possibly think. First of all,
he getting three folk blocks, he cleaning everything, use glass cleaner.
He's shutting down the whole paint. You're not really getting there.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And then he was so cool he would block and
start a break and not even run back on offense,
just staying there, turns out and wag their.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Finger for you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Got to get the wag off before he moved.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Gotta get it off.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It was so hard, Like getting a wag off is crazy,
like because everybody else going, all the other coaches gonna
tell you like, hey, man, get.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Back, yeah run He like I'm getting there, yo.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You know. He done wag himself into many endorsements and
different commercials and things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Even I feel like it was a time later in
his career where they started cracking down on and giving
him text for it like it was tawny. Yeah, I
was one of the corniest things ever.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I mean, y'all can't even trash talk down, so I
can only imagine man like the frustration that was going on,
but that made it more marketable and fun, you know
what I'm saying, Like, imagine if current day, if a
big could like really trash or TNT or you know
what I'm saying, have something to be very intimidating because
(29:57):
as a young guy coming into the league and you
say you hear about it, you see, you know what
I mean, Like that was Jordan whole thing. I'm gonna
get him Tumbo because it became such a signature thing.
Like the same way how people feel like, oh, I
want to dunk on Winby because he's tall. It's like, yo, nah,
this is the guy. You're not gonna get him. Like
think about the gambling odds of like if you could catch,
(30:21):
if you could dunk on a Tumbo three times or
something like that, you know what i mean, Like ideally
in that situation, like it's like.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It was a taunt and that's that's what made the
nineties fun, right, you could shack t a shack signature
move dunking on you. He could dunk on you and
stare at you, you know what I'm saying, and get
away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean. Sean Camp pointed that ris gambling.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And Scottie Pippen standing over the dude they just dunked on,
pointing out the laughing and not even getting at Teck right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Those I mean those are the good times, man, because
they just let it roll. I mean there's a situation
going on in the league now, I mean players using
their fingers or whatever, but like it's very harmless if
nobody got hurt. You got to just keep it moving, man.
I mean we've reached to a point where the game
is becoming two PC and again again, I don't say
(31:13):
it touches the competitiveness, but you know, when you in
the moment, you gotta let things happen.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, and when you cracking down celebrations, yeah, it hurts
the brandy Like you can't give Yeah they want to,
we can't. It's been the talk lately of the face
of the league and who's the face of the league
and whoere the stars that after bron and Katie and
Stephan Autumn retire. But you're not letting these guys show
their personality on the floor as much. That's that's one
(31:41):
of the reasons why, like these guys need some signature
celebrations and things that they do on the floor that
people recognize them for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Absolutely, Man, Let let let players talk. Man, if you
want to fix the NBA, let us talk. Man, let
him talk, please let it let us talk again, man
for real? All right, display This is the last one
we're gonna cover. Man, And this one is still one
of the greatest moves of all time. You know what
I mean. You got a chance to to get to
(32:12):
know this guy. You know what I mean. He's part
of your coaching staff when you play for the Dallas
Marriage God sham guys, god sham guy. See again, you
was to your providence even with the Wizard I mean,
well the Washington Bullets at the time. This guy, this
move is so crazy that it's been added, it's been recreated.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's my guy.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, and we need to bring him. We need to
have him on the pot to talk about this. I'm
with himself, Wady. He was with me for years and
in Dallas, literally my trainer for years, working me out
a lot of times in gym. And it's funny because, uh,
you here see all the people that come in and
look at my Look at my sham, guy, look at
my sham. Show me how to do it. He it's
(32:57):
come funny because he do it a little different than
you see now days the way he first did it.
If he explained it to you, it's a little different,
and so everybody has their own touch on it, which
is which makes them move even doper.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But when we're in the games and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You see a guy like Kyrie do it or job,
some people do it in the game and the first
thing they do after they do it and make the
move and score, they look over to the bench and
like make a face of Sham. And that's just the
respect people have for him around the league, even though
he wasn't a guy who had a long NBA career.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Which which is dope.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like he he really made it, made it famous in
college and probably played a year or two in the league.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But you got some of the best guards of all.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Time, like Kobe and those guys coming to him try
to learn his signature move and learn how to handle
the ball, which is I mean, he's just here legend
in and of himself.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
He had it on the strength. Now I'm gonna age
myself right here. But do you know God Sham God's
name before he switched his name.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh I did, But I'm blinking right now what was it?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Sham god Wells, Sham god Wills, yep, sham got well Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
We're gonna have him on here to talk about the nineties,
talking about my bestball handlers or what because you got
we get him.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
On there for sure. All right, we're gonna go for
a break, but when we come back, we're gonna give
our coat. Top five of signature moves of nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
All right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I'ma started off man, I'm started off with my goat
top five like I usually do it, from five to one.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
All right, number five, we got to the Kimba finger wag.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean when I think of the nineties, I think
a defense, I think of that finger wag. So the
kimbay one of my favorite bigs of all time. Number four,
the dream shape, Number three, m J Fadeaway two, the
sham guy, because he did it in college, but it
(35:15):
made his way to the pro the best, the best
guards of all time doing it and everybody adding their
own little sprinkle on it the way they do it,
So sham guy. My number two and number one goat
signature move of the nineties is to kill a crossover.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Tim Hardaway it's just something special about it. So tough.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I like that list, man, I like that list for real, Okay,
I mean we got some little similarities on there, man,
little similarities. I'm gonna start, you know, with the you know,
the fingerwave at five. It's very impactful still to this day.
You know what I mean. People do it non basketball related.
It's just cultural reference. At four, I got the Penny Spin.
(35:56):
It's too pretty. It's too pretty to leave off the list.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Man, it's tough, but the longevity ain't there for me.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, the longevity ain't there. But it's just man, it's
just it's hard to duplicate, man. And you know, once
I see it, it just takes me to a good time.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I keep going.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
For three, I got the m J Fadeaway.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know they both got it at three. Yeah, that
one shock I.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Would love to man. But you know, I'm thinking about where, where,
what I actually used and what was truly effective. Man.
And I I personally didn't do too many faith aways
in my life.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So you gotta have some size to do that. You
gotta be you gotta be like at least like a
six or five.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Now I'm playing at the local fitness club or something
like that, and I got somebody five nine on me.
I might try to be guarded. I ain't gonna try
to be doing all that. But that two, I got
Irison's crossover, you know what I mean, Like, got to
get that in there, you know what I mean. It
was so nice that they you know, they they took
it and took out the carrying and added carrying. Called
(36:56):
a pulman for that. And then number one we got
sham God. You know that's that's like one of the
goat moves. Man, It's literally I literally think that that's
the goat move. It's the goat move. It's it's been
done thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Bro, Like you know when you see it's like, oh,
that's a sham guy like it is, you know when
you see it in like a.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Favorite sham guy might be Westbrook because it because it
be yeah, it be so far out and he snatches
it back and it's like okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
West Man got a couple of tough and he and Diamond.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He might dive me like lay however man like legit. Yeah,
I didn't have Ai crossover on my list. I mean,
it's a tough list, But it's.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You have some good ones on there though.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I mean, you know, yeah, I like the dream you
ain't got the dream shake on there?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Which is which is another thing? I mean you can have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, I add that on it because like nobody does
it know what that's one of those, like a lot
of these moves other people have taken in and stolen.
Put there on spinner. But who tell me somebody else
who does a dream shape?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I wish y'an has picked it up.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He ain't got it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
He ain't got it, he ain't got it close. He
ain't close, man, I don't think he just move a
little spot a step slower. I don't think anybody but
everybody you see guy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Try to do it and they don't have it. It
don't look as good, bro, but it just don't. The
fluidity ain't there, the shoulder like he that thing was tough.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
All right, well y'all, y'all here our go, farve man,
give us a vote. I honestly think I won. But
Seth has a pretty good list, you know what I mean.
I'm not I'm not even mad at his list. I
think it's it's really good. But everybody love a sham god.
So man, make sure y'all sent us your votes, your comments,
(38:55):
let us know who won uh and had the best
debate the filling. Now I'm gonna move on to Born
in the Wrong eerr segment. This is this is the
fun one, man, because again this makes you think really hard.
And for this one, since we're doing signature moves, but
(39:17):
we've seen a few, which signature move would be the
most effective in this era.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's ironic because I didn't have it on my list,
but the AI crossover is my Born and the Wrong
Era because let's keep it, keep it a button. Now
you can you can break the rules now if it
looked good enough in today's NBA where they want a
lot of scoring, you can travel.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh you know you're in a couple of clips of traveling.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You can travel if the move look good enough to
let the rest let you get away with it, and
you definitely can carry It's some guys out there that
got a crazy crossover in the league right now where
that the AI crossover you can do it, so they
let you push off Carrie travel all that. And if
a I was in today's today's game where he could
get away with that he'll be a flat out bucket.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that.
I probably the dream shake Bro, Okay. I just think
that he would be cooking so much. But also he'd
just be a foul merchant, like he would be get
into the line so much too, just going up and under.
I don't think ideally he was trying to do that.
He just wanted the bucket and get back. But he played.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I think he said what I said he was he
was an ethical hooper.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, he ain't trying to do that. But
this time, I think Bro, he would be up there
in the Yokic conversations just just really filling the stat
sheet up because it'd be so many guys trying to
defend and leaving their feet like I love to see
Draymond trying to guard Bro, like you know.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, no chance, no chance, the full work. And he
was quick man, yeah quick.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, I'll give Drake credit for, like, you know, discipline.
He ain't leaving his feet too much. He got quick
hands and things of that nature. But again, the size
the movement, and that's another thing people don't think about.
How when he in the post and how quick he spin. Yeah,
he might bang on you right then and there, or
he might just toy around and just go hoighever he
(41:20):
wanted to and just laugh at you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You know what I'm saying now that I think of it,
the closest person that I've seen try to do a
dream shake was probably Theamorrow.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, Tomorrow will give you the old school.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Slow turn his back and he could pivot over eave
and he don't really work the shoulders as much, but
he could turn his back to you and he might
pivot right, he might pivot left. So now I'm trying
trying to think of somebody that that's gotten close to
having a dream shakedown.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I'm gonna give it to Theamorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah that's but see again, student of Kobe. Tomor spent
all that time with Kobe, and Kobe came back with that.
I'm pretty sure he probably gave gave dream fifty k
It's like, yo, let me teach me everything. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Word on the street was he was taxing.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
He was for sure taxes.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
He was six figures from what I heard.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know what I'm saying. He had to say say
the last dance classes, I ain't mad at it. Man,
get your money dream man. But yeah, not definitely, two
great moves that were transcend into the game. I think
that's it. I think we covered all in, all the moves,
then we leave anything out.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I think we covered it all. I mean, I'm sure
we probably did forget a couple. But if anybody to
listen to the pod and want to add a two cents,
let us know.
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