April 24, 2025 • 45 mins
Converting points at the rim, throughout the midrange, and deep from long distance, require different approaches, mechanics & skill sets. Being proficient at just one of those ranges alone can garner respect throughout the league in terms of accolades and defensive schemes thrown at you by opponents. But sometimes there are those unicorns, that rare species of BUCKET GETTERS who are prolific and DEADLY from scoring at every level on the court. They take whatever the defense gives them and rack up points just the same. The versatility, instincts, and IQ required for this type of offensive dominance is rarefied air. These are scorers’ scorers, and today we’re going to break down who were the best of the 2010’s.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we grew up.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
My dad used to if we walked in the gym
and he saw us throw up a three was the
first shot, he would be on the ass. He'd be hot, like,
start from inside the lane, get your form right, see
the ball go through the net a few times, warm
up like mentally, and then slowly back out to three.
His worst nightmare was walking into the gym and seeing
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kids first without warming up, just throwing up shots.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And why not listen to him? It worked out, that's
the thing. Why not listen to him?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
He got a clip.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm listening to everything he got us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We still do that to this day. You always see it.
You don't see it, come in and throwing stuff up.
We walked to the front of the room. See if
you go in, and then we get our workout started.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Welcome back, we're back. What's up leader, what's stood? My boy?
We're back at it another week.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I feel like every week you got a new accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I finished it off, right, man.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Finally finally got the three point percentage crown under my
under my name in a few years. I mean, I've
been in the top five a bunch of times throughout
my career, so it was cool to get that number
one spot solidified. I think it's a lot of people say, yeah, yeah,
TIMPs ain't up there with Steph and the high volume
guys and Edwards and those guys. But I'm gonna be
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honest with you, it might be harder to come off
that bench and shoot that percentage when you don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Got to make them shots, man, Gotta make them shots
when you can. And I think that's a testament to
being a specialist in this current era. I think that
you can, you know, still fill it up and looking
at the numbers compared to your pops when he did it,
you know, like, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's a hats off.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
That's people don't look at y'all, especially shooters as like
that dominant, but like y'all are defended a certain way,
so y'all won't catch the ball, you know what I'm saying.
And players are drawn up specifically for y'all. That's why
y'all considered, you know, most dangerous people on the court.
So I'm man, that's a hat talk to you, man,
And and the testament of the season that you had,
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you know what I mean, you can't I mean, that's
the mental grind too, you know what I mean, respect
to your teammates and everybody involved, but the idea of
dealing with all the injuries, a lot of young guys,
few bets on the team, new coach, that organization, the
fans showing up for you guys, but just staying you know,
mentally prepared, being ready engaged, because you could easily just clock.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Out, you know what I mean. So it's all the grind.
I appreciate it. It was tough and the last couple of
weeks because everybody kept bringing it up, like you're number one,
you need to you need a first, you need to qualify,
get get to get the amount of makes in there
to qualify for the list. And then people were saying,
like a couple of times the rest come up to me.
I ain't know they had all this information, but they
were coming up to me before the game like, oh,
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I see you number one, and three, people saying just finish.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It off, finish it off.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I'm like, damn, everybody hearing about this, and I
don't like thinking about that stuff during the game, Like
I'm not checking my status throughout the season to see
where I'm right.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Once you get to the the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, when they doing their scout tape and the
scout reports, they see oldest guys shooting forty five from threes,
and I'm one in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So that kind of heights that sence. It's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I had guys like the last game we played
the Sebjics at Drew Holiday, tracking me around top, locking
me in the corner. So I had to work a
little bit harder to get those attempts up.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hey, man, it's like you said, it's archetype.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Man, when you get the type of guy's guarding you
and put in a little bit more respect, no matter
what anybody on the outside is saying. It's some mutual
respect from your from the people in the league. Man,
and you were defended. Man, We're gonna take a blast
of the past.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Man. We got a fun show today.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Man, We're gonna talk about three level scores or the
twenty tens. This is a good one, man, because we're
gonna have to break down with a three level score
is most people think they know what it is, but
we're gonna get into it and really break down and explain.
Because you know, the fun part about this, we educate
on this pot but we also teach the game, and
we're real students of the game on here, so I'm
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really excited to talk about this. So just to even
kick things off, man, the twenty tens was full of
elite scorers when it comes to three level scoring, meaning
the ability to efficiently and consistently score at the rim,
in the mid range, and from the three. Only a
few players truly mastered all three. And we got a
whole week I want to say a whole list because
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it's tears to it, but we got a lot of
guys that could score from a lot of places on
the court, and we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But first of all, Dot, what is a three level score?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, this list we're gonna talk about is basically full
bucket getters everywhere on the floor.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You could score from every level on the floor.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like you said, it's the three point line, the mid range,
getting to your spots at the mid range, some even
a post, and then obviously getting to the rim.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You gotta be able to do all three.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Especially, I think this is kind of a throwback archetype,
throwback type of conversation because as we get into these
twenty twenties and the analytics coming into play and coach
is trying to tell you not to shoot the mid range.
We don't even you don't post up as much. It
might be a dying breed at three level scorer. So
when you see one of today's games, like, oh, he
do he nice, he do it all. So these are
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these are the real bucket.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You can throw the ball to and say whatever it takes,
get us, get us a get us a basket.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
We're just gonna jump right into it.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
We're gonna talk about our homie, your former teammate, Kevin Durant,
elite all three level score man, whether it's length skill,
he's a mid range assassin, shoots over fifty percent from
the field, and for much of the decade, you know
what I'm saying, closest thing to Mike, to me as
far as from the mid range, and then he could
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score off the dribble and he definitely can you know,
iso mid post. However you want it, tell us about
the things you've seen being Kevin Durant's teammate as a
Brooklyn net.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's a reason like he ultra talented. First and foremost,
the size, the skill of two guard being seven foot
I don't care what he said, seven foot, but when
you see the work he puts in on a daily
basis in practice, you see the reps he gets at
all three levels. Like obviously he's a fishing is all
get out, catch and shoot. But then you see in
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practice he's wrapping out one dribble, two dribble, pull ups,
like the boring stuff that that a lot of young
guys don't want to do anymore. Just I'm shooting fifty
right pull ups, get to my spot, shooting fifty going left,
fifty step backs, fifty face up jazz. Like that's the
type of monotonous reps that makes you that type of score,
and like he does it every day, so he makes
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it look easy. But he really a guy that takes
what the defense gives you. If it's a night where
you're gonna he's spotting up, be you're catching the shooting,
that's what he's doing that game. If it's a night
where he getting in too the MIDI he can shoot
over guys, he doing that and obviously, uh, he's gonna
get to the rim, finish at the rim at a
high level too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So he living up to the name.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, absolutely, man shoutouts the snipe. All right, we got
your brother here. Man known mostly for three point shooting,
but he's also elite around the rim, back.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Cuts, lay ups. I don't think a lot of people
if there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm sure somebody on the internet has made a highlight
tape of Steph's layups because they don't. They don't get
talked about enough.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's up there.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, so we got him him, And honestly, him and
Kyrie are similar to me in a lot of ways.
They do this stuff in different ways when you look
at it from a visual standpoint, like the flare. Obviously,
Kyrie got the flare once he gets inside the line
and at the rim, but they both finish as good
as any guard of all time at the rim, like
they can really finish the finished layers, floaters, everything you want.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
When you talk about Steph, right, the three point ability
is so green to a point that, like ball handling
is overlooked lay like a lot of stuff, right, And
it's almost like how they defend him. They don't want
him to take the three, but they also forget that
he got a floater, he got a MIDI, he gonna
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take all them shots man. Obviously he enjoys taking the
three man, but he's super efficient.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
When he first came into the league, he was shooting
a lot of midties, like two thousand and nine, ten eleven,
he was coming off screen.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That to Nash and Reggie Miller. Yeah, that was the game.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
He was coming off ball screens and he wasn't like
you're thinking of stopping at the line, You're thinking of
just getting an open shot. So he was getting into
the two shooting a lot of two point jump shots.
And I remember like the first year, I want to say,
like twenty thirteen, maybe he was before the preseason. He's like,
I'm gonna shoot ten threes a game this year. I'm like,
what shoot?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
One person shooting ten threes is insane. It was thought out.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I don't know who put it in his brain,
Like probably one of the coaching staff or somebody was like,
just up your three point attempts. So I'm like, no way,
you can't shoot ten threes a night. Now he's shooting
twelve thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I mean I want to say, yeah, I kind of
remember that because Barkley said something about like the style
of play, they would never win it all three point shooting.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, jump shot shooting teams or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, that reminds me of a story back in twenty
twenty twenty two when Steph, like I was talking about
taking it too far, shooting too many threes, and like
middle of the season, I've seen Steph like he kind
of totally erased the mid range from his game. He
usually like all he all threes or if you ran
him off the three, he was you knew he was
going to the rim with float or something. So I'm like,
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I'm watching him. He was kind of went through a
tough stretch. I'm like, you need to start shooting mid
ranges again, bro, Like when when teams run you off
the line, they know where to find you after After that,
like I he's not shooting at three, So I'm gonna
meet him at the rim. All my big gonna come
over and meet him at the rim, and it's gonna
make it a tough finish, right. So I'm like, we
when against good teams, games get tough, you gotta you
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gotta have that third level. So he started shooting them
more added to it. And if you watch go back
and watch some of the film through that run twenty
two when they wanted to went to the finals and
beat Boston. He was shooting some miitties at big time
moments when it counted, So Warriors fans can thank me
for that sit.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sitting in the ring.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This next time, we was about to talk about you know,
you think Steph Chuck did a lot this dude, James Harden. Yeah,
his MVP seasons and prior to and a little bit after,
he was making sixteen to three point attempts look normal.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You could tell, you know, it would thought out on
his part, like having Dan, Tony and Morey in his ear, like, ye,
shoot as many three.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you shoot twenty threes a night, that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, aggressiveness opens up the floor for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And you know, you know, obviously James has one of
the deadliest step back threes. He's a generational player, you
know what I mean, Like when you think about the Lucas,
the Austin Reeves of the world, a few other players
that played just like him. I mean, he's not mentioned
enough for how he's changed the game. And then obviously
you know they talk about Shay foul Baity, but James was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'll remember when it first happened. We was in the
drew league in twenty eleven, during the Lockouf season, he
did like a sweep through where he sticks his arm
out and then kind of wave up, and I was
everybody was confused in the gym, and the ref was
kind of like foul, so like they like you can't
touch him. And that's kind of got him to like
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getting comfortable with doing it in the league.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But like after that.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
He was getting to the line so much and then
the scoring start going up over like thirties, forties.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Fifties, sixty. Do you think it was taken too far?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Cause you tell you you know some of the stuff
when James, both of them came in the league, James
is shooting a lot of midies and cutting too the basket,
cutting to the basket move and playing without the ball.
Everything he was doing from three, he was really doing
a lot of from two. Do you think it was
taken too far? As far as too many threes? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You don't see the versatility in his game as much anymore. Yeah,
I think he just got comfortable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like, I think that was the thing that he kind
of relied on, especially like you guys are shooters doing
the kickout and y'all were rewarded so much like it's
a gift in the curse when you had a four
point play and you know you can get it. It's
kind of like and he was making it at a
hard clip, you know what I mean, Like he making
eight to ten, So it's like, oh, if I get
twenty five off threes alone, like and then I go
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to the line and go get ten more, ten to twelve, Like, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
This is my strategy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But it kind of was hurting him because like you know,
he got to Philly and then even that first year
with the Clippers, it was kind of like people were
questioning like dang, like is he good or he's not?
And this year he's kind of like got back to
like what he does best and getting back to like
his little movements and swags.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So like I feel like right now it's perfect for
his game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The battle I have is because you know, it's more
efficient like to shoot a lot of threes, try to
get foul, foult bit, whatever the case may be. But
as far as the esthetic point and watching the game,
I don't enjoy watching him play, like and even so
most people don't because Luca trying to get failed or
he's shooting a step back three. I know it's I mean,
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it's the right way to play analytically, but I don't
enjoy I don't like I said, I don't want to
watch that all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'd rather watch it who kawhi.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They have a buoker who's scoring, who just trying to
put the ball in the hole from anywhere on the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it gets interesting and and someone mentioned it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They threw it out.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
There's like lack of variety, I want to say with
Bomana Jones, right, because like although the high volume of
three is kicked off right and you can score or
you can get to the rack, so it's three, it's three,
it's three or three or layup right and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You take away the mid.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
The mid made it fun because there was different styles
of the med.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You got the fade away, you got the full speed
pull up, you got like just just a toughness of
a shot, and yeah, like so many different ways face ups, reverse,
you know, the pivot work was important. So it's a
little different, and I don't say it's taken away from it,
but like the possessions, like that All Star game, we
watched that one year where they had two hundred points, Like,
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I'm just like, I don't want to see this though, because.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like it's no need to play defense.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's like when you playing and open gym and you
know the game about to get sloppy and you'd rather
just walk off because nobody's really playing defense and they
just chucking it. You ain't gonna be on the You
ain't gonna be on the defensive end that long, you
know what I mean. So that's the thing to think
about when you think about that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you making your shots tonight or not?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Like where's the where's the tactical aspect of the game.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
At a point, I probably would consider that a four
level score when you could actually master get into the line. Yeah,
I really think about it because it ain't easy. If
it was easy, everybody would be doing it. It'd be nasty,
but it'd be everybody would make it, you know, because
your brother don't get no.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Call, No trust me, I've tried.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'll come in the seasons like I'm trying to get
fouled tonight a couple of games like I'm just gonna
I'm trying get to the line that.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Look as stupid feel it just don't work two for eight.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'm like, man, I ain't got no possessions in the
bag to be wasted trying to get foul.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's but that's another thing right there, all right, Moving
right along. Kobe Bryant, the late great Kobe Bryant, while
in his prime in the two thousands, he was foot
on the line long twos. But he man, he making
you work. He getting into that B line. He get
me and posts. He shooting three.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Ball like Duncan.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Those type of players, it's so unpredictable because, like you know,
the guys when they can't shoot.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You just packed the pain.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, when it's a guy that can shoot, you kind
of close out hard, but you're giving up the lay.
You better have like a big down there to kind
of like make him kind of move around a little
bit more, right, And Yeah, it's just it's gonna be
a long night. You just better hope they miss all
them three level scores.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They just get it going.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Man, depending on how you being guarded, you will You're
taking what the defense give you. It ain't like I'm
coming into the game doing one thing.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, I ain't working like that. I mean I consider
you a three level scorer at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You know what I mean, because like again, you have
to respect your three balls so much, but also you
know how to make a read and throw the floater.
You also know how to get to the line. You
know how to shoot the mid when you are missing threes,
and I think this is a lost art too. What
do you need to see for you to start taking
threes again? Not saying that you're gonna stop, but what
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do you need to get going?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what you can't value.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You can't put a value on seeing the ball go
through the hoop, whether that's a fifteen foot jump shot
or even a free throw like or a float or whatever.
Like if I can't make a shot tonight from three,
I'm like, let me go in, shoot a little pull up,
and I'm like, oh, I'm hot. Now I know what
it feels like to go in. I feel like my
three point gonna follow suit. So, like I said, we
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talk about analytics, it's hard. You see a lot of
these guys who just shoot threes have off nights to
go on for ten. You know what I'm saying is
you can't come back. You can't get your rhythm right
because you are you doing is in tough threes and
you're not seeing then easy one go through. So like
I said, you can't you can't quantify what that feels like.
Just put one in the basket from wherever.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, I look at lack of awareness.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think when you are still trying to get the
same shot, that's that's robot mode, when you're trying to
get workout shots.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, and also when in the playoffs, like all these
guys we talk about are playoff performers for the most part,
like they're up their game in the playoffs because everything scouted,
Like if you if you're a one level scorer, you
can you can be scouted out of your game on
some nights.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You know what this is Where to find them?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Take them, run them off the line or back up
off of them, don't let them get in the paint.
We continue a little bit more than a guy who's
willing to shoot whatever shot the defense gives them on
that possession. And these are, like I said, high playoff
performers who who no matter what what, they've seen it
all and they can they can figure out a way
to get it going. Like now I'll be watching I
go watch kids who man, they first first shot is
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a three?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, he checked.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I hate it, like my dad like we grew up,
so we grew up. My dad used to if if
we walked in the gym and he saw us throw
up a three was the first shot, he would be
on the ass. He'd be hot, like, start from inside
the lane, get your form right, see the ball go
through the go through the net a few times, warm
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up like mentally, and then slowly back out to three.
His worst nightmare was walking in the gym and seeing
kids first without warming up, just throwing up shots.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And why not listen to him? That's the thing. Why
not listen to him?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He got a clip.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I'm listening to everything he got to say.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
In fact, so I still do. We still do that
to this day. You always see it. We were walking in.
You don't see her come in and throwing stuff up.
We walked to the front of the room. See if
you go in and then we get our workout started.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because you can't. You can't just start off with
the first shot.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You got it. You gotta see it go through the net, all.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Right, Manwichael Jordan's man, you know what I Meanawichael Jordan
need a dude, man, you know I mean mid to late.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You haven't seen it. You done seen it?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Man? Straight up man.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, he got old school two thousands, two thousands, game
many monsters what you call him?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
He feel I feel like he was born to play
in the triangle offense. Catching on the elbow. I so
go to work. You can't get double like his sweet
throas is crazy, too crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He got it all.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It ranged my extro man, especially in the playoffs. He's
so efficient. Even when you think he shot about to
get blocked, he just get up there and it's just
like it's it's just a.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Perfect follow through.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
It's so textbook man, straight up and down.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And I think at first with Kawhi he was more
of a two level of guy to me that he
was in the paint and MIDI. But it's his career
got along. His three ball came to man.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He like I said, once he added the three ball,
he was tough to guard because it's handle to his
handle underrated it is, it's underrated like a.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Lot of people. He ain't got it.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Between the legs.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Did he go back and then.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Shoot from the MIDI he can shoot from three the
between tween step back.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But like you said, it's the mechanics. The mechanics so ingrained.
He don't break character. He's the same shot. He's shooting
the same shot sometow that's hard for a lot of
people to shoot the same shot. Like I gotta make
adjustment if I'm gonna shoot the mir range the same
he shoot the mirror range like he shoot the three
like the same for like the shot, Like I see
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nobody shoot like that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah he got Yeah kawhich like Kawhi Kobe JMJ. Like
you said, all very similar in the way they move.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, it's it's almost it's not stiff, but it's it's
like fact three seconds.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, the foot is the footwork. It's the footwork.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, you see has been drilled and they worked on
it so much. It's like I'm going with this muscle
memory at this point. I've done it so many times
in the gym by myself.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, no, for sure. All right.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This dude another guy that was your teammate, Kyrie Irving,
you talked about him on the previous show. Arguably one
of the best below the rim finishers of the decade.
Has a smooth mid range elite shock creation like I don't.
He might be the hardest player of the guard in
the league to me, and then you know, once he
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gets the three ball going, it's not much you really
can do. I don't think nobody Like when he missed layups,
it's really on him because he put too much English
on it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
He'd be having fun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He be trying stuff out there when it gets when
he get in the lane, like it's like I don't
want to. Sometimes I see him have the wide open
layer on the right side, and for whatever reason, I
feel like he just, oh, let me try to hang
between switch hands lefty for no reason, but he had
to have.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I think him and Kads similar though, because Kate don't
like going to the rim. He preferred going to mid
range because he just think that's just like it's.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The fun part of the game.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He feels like going to get a dunk is too
easy and most people might think that's like crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like it is, like he get bored out there sometimes.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta challenge yourself, man, And it's
not like all right, I mean I think it. I
think it paid off in the long run for k
because it's like longevity. He ain't got it paying his
body up against people. You know what I'm saying, He
straight up and down and get back.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I mean Kyrie, the last one of the fifty forty
ninety guys we we talked about just now, Steph KD. Kyrie,
the last one in this era of like the fifty
forty nineties where you got fifty from the Phil forty
from three ninety from the free throw line, like you're real,
You're a real shooter, like you can score from everywhere
at a high clip.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
We're gonna take a break, but when we come back,
we're gonna discuss some more names, and then me and
Dot's gonna give our top five, all right, Dot, Devin
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Booker Man, He's another one that reminds me of a
two thousand scuard, you know, gets to the MIDI, lives
and dies by the MIDI. I feel like, if you
shoot the midi, then your automatic lock for a three
level score, that is that's it. You gotta have it,
and it gota consistent. When your mid rings become a layup,
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that's that's when you know you the top percentile of
three level scoring.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He one of those ones where, like most of the
time throughout the season. You you walk into the the
film room and you get the scatty porty like we
want this team to shoot middies, like we're cool contest
the two point jump shots.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Book ain't one of those, like you let him get
to that too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Back you down and kind of pivot in and get
over the top because he shoots with a lot of elevation.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean. I've watched Book.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
You know, I got a chance to cover Book and
eighteen twenty nineteen, he does his routine is the duck walk,
and he does the duck walk and then he goes
right into the shot.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
He learned that from Dirt. Dirt is the first one
to start that. So it's like getting your legs into
your shot.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, it's so important.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
But you see all the shots that he's taking, those
over the top middies because they become so effective in
the game, and his change of speed to is underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Because he gets right on the top.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I had I was.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I was on him a little bit about not taking
a deep three. He seemed to added it to his
game in the last couple of years, but he would
not take it. He was hugging the line, which was
a little bit more efficient, but like teams could guard
him a little bit easier, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's the something I've worked on personally, like and still
to this day, Like creeping back a couple of steps
behind the line, Yeah, because I can do it. But
I feel so comfortable at the line, and even if
they run me off the line, feel comfortable shooting the
mid range a couple of steps in. It's like if
I if I go out there, and it might drop
my numbers a little bit if I shoot from a
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few steps behind the line, but it opens up everything
else in your game. Like you become like that, it's
another level, Like they gotta come out and guard you further.
Screens get set further, give you more lanes to drive
and get to where you want to go. So I
could feel why it could be tough for him because
he feels so comfortable at the line, and that's what
he's done his whole life.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm not gonna lie. I feel like I overstepped a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I gonna lie because I mean, at that point he
wasn't he was an all star because Dame got hurt. Yeah,
when he found out right and I was like, yo,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
It's kind of crazy for me to see.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Was this like in the press room or.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah yeah, because I would talk to him every game,
you know what I mean, we had that relationship. But
I was just kind of like, dude, you know, you
would be so much like difficult to guard if you
step back a little bit more and he gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Look at me.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But it was kind of like I kind of hear you.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But like like, dude, like relax, I got this and
he gonna act like that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But he respected because he probably he thought about it.
He probably thought about somebody else that told him.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Oh yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I used to give him a hard time. I wouldn't
ask the question live, but I'd be like, okay you
because he used to do this little pump fake and
one time he lost the game because he didn't like
time it right.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He did the upfake and then kind.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Of paused and shot it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And he made the shot, but it expired, and I
was like, shoot the first one, like you know what
I mean, like elevating, shoot the first one. But he
was overthinking it and we kind of joe. We walked
through the tunnel together back to the you know, cause
they had they had did the postgame thing. It was
like a national TV game and I was like, oh,
he respects me enough to hear me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
He like, no, you're right, like you know.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
So that's when I felt comfortable, thinking like I could
be like, yo, step back a little bit and shoot
the DP three. But it was kind of like yo, tray,
you wall and you too comfortable. This is the guy
right here, Damian little like Damien Liter When I think
about range, now, obviously your brother he be throwing it
from the tunnel and doing all those things.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But in game, Dame be shooting from the logo like
it's a mere range to me.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
To me, Dame is a he had two and a half,
like he got his three ranges are four point range,
the three point line, and then the paint like he
don't shoot a lot of To me, he he don't
love the MIDI, but he his range is extended so
far and it's so easy. Like talking about don't deform,
don't change. It seemed like the further he go out,
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the easier to shot get. Yeah, he's so strong, his
legs and his core so strong. It's like nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
A lot of people try to practice that shot that
you was a part of It's not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh yeah, the Bye Bye game and that's.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That shots not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I tried it.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
That shot not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's not an easy shot. Knew it wasn't easy. Paul George,
He's like, I'm letting shoot, Like, no.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Way, that's not an easy shot. It's easy to dame.
It's a high percent and shot for him, because again,
he's made so many deep threes to a point where
you gotta respect it, you know what I mean, Like
it's it's not one of those like you're you wallin
him and stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
They can have fun and be firing.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It up, but like barely coming past and watching about
that series that he was so confident, like that was
probably the eighth deep three he made that series, like
he was doing it consistently.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And look how much of the floor he opened up
by teams happening to come up, Like, you know, you
got to guard a guy like I've seen a clip
of Caitlyn Clark against the Iowa practice Iowa Boys practice.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That was crazy, And.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I'm looking through the comments and guys are like, oh
I would have did this, and I'm like, you can't
guard that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Picking up at the three point line.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
She could just let it go.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean them type of guards, Dame, the Caitlin's, the
Steps James, even Trey Young Gotta he's another one that
got a deep clip.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You think about they could pull up whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They might be going full speed to a point where
you think they about to beat you off the dribble,
and then they just rise up and you're like, there's
no way he's taking this because you look and you
see the paint from the half court longo and you like, nah,
and it's splash. So she she wanted the hardest to
guard because she could get shifty. And it's like if
she if she squared with the basket and her mechanics
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is she's so true to her mechanics that it's like.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It's just whether it's ten feet or forty feet, that
it's consistent.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And that's and that's a different level to the office.
Like if you if you got that range and you
can dribble, you unguardable.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, you ungib you unguardable.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You just gotta hope that the that that they miss,
that's it. That's the best way to just hope that
whatever little this worked the last time you you're hoping
in your mom that was the reason why they missed
and not because they leaned a little bit or they landed.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
On the wrong foot. Lebron James three way score Brons.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, he especially him, he's three now.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, he's developed it. That's like improvement from him.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Like he came into the league obviously getting to the
room unstoppable. He had the phase even in high school
and coming into the league, he had the post phase,
the midi phase felt like he was trying to be
like Jordan. But as he developed his own style he
is now, especially now in his career in the twenty
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but twenty tens, he still had games where he gets
high from three and he and he developed into a
three level guy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But will he make your goal five? Will the one
of the goats make your goal?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
You will not make my goal.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I'm telling you that now, Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Anthony, Yes, I'm telling you right now. He's made my
go five. He might be top two for me.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He's made I don't know where, but he making my
goal five.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Because so he got USA record for threes right one level.
We know what he do in the mid range, yep,
post work, elbow work all that, Like a lot of
people learn from from Mellow on that block as far
as posting up, shooting step back jump shots all over
the floor, and then he physical is all get out,
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he's gonna punish you and get to the rim, get
to the free throw line. Got some posters in his
collection like he doing it all. That's that's the definition
of a three level.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean, Mellow is so mean bro, like he's
one of the purest scores. But also when you think
about getting left out on that island, no help came
a legal defense, right, you got the jab step, you
got the fade away, you got to pull up.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You name it like it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And he's strong. Yeah, he's strong.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And he because he always could shoot the three.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, he always could shoot the three.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
It wasn't nothing like Oh, when you really think about
flaws and Mellow game, it's not many from a offensive perspective.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm gonna throw another name out there in that in
that Mellow round who a lot of people don't get
their respect to.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And that's Rudy Gay. Three levels, smooth.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Rudy Gay average nineteen with the Raptors one year, Right,
he was going crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
But Rudy Gay.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Kings, I mean, however you want to think about he was.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He was bumping dog.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
He like a baby Mellow obviously not as good, but
he got all the tools that Mellow had.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, three three, smooth game in the mid range.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He might be more athletic than Melos.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
That's good. Hey, Rudy could fly. Yeah, he was a
dunk contest guy. He could fly for real, for real. Yeah,
especially young Rudy, he could fly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And the elevation like these guys these another one of
those gotsh goot good elevations like long and tall, but
also get to your spot and just rise up like
that's a that's the key to to having all the
different levels.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Paul George.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, like these three you know the the Pokemon mean
where you see the three evolutions that chars are like,
that's these, Paul George, Rudy Gay Mellow like different versions
of the same same guy to me, like long wings, athletic,
great shooter, great shooters, but shooting the mid range composed
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like cant do it Lily, do it all?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Just long sixteen Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think that's the most underrated part about his game,
Like most people don't understand how tall Paul is and
and the things that he can do at his size.
And then obviously he loved to play defense, but you
know he got it cooking on offense. I remember the
classic Knicks series that most people talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But then you know his game was just so smooth.
He was cooking. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
See when he was in Indiana, he had those battles
with the Heatles and bron going toe to toe. You
thought you thought the pacer was gonna knock him off
because yeah, Paul George was hooping.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah. Nah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He used to hold his own Young PG Young PG.
Twenty four before he switched.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This to Catch twenty two with these dudes too, like
you got so many tools in your toolbox. Sometimes Paul
George is over complicated, like I wanna I want to
show my back too. I want to handle sometimes like
Mellow had like the perfect ballast, like I'm keeping it simple.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I got it all, but I'm gonna keep it simple.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He gonna post you like this, use his hip, do
all that. You know what I mean to get because
he just got you right in that little elevator.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Alright, I'm throw the Bama face up and if you
give me the jab jump shot, I'm shoot the jab
jump shot. But if I need to get in my
back and go to work, I need to. But if
you're gonna let me jab and shoot over you every time,
you gotta know you got all this like so you
got all the tools and all the weapons to use,
you just know when to use them.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
All right, I think it's time for us to hop
into our goat five. This has been a very challenging
one because we named so many different scores. I mean,
it's so many, so many people in the league that
get buckets. Man.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, before we give our goat, I gotta go my
honorable mention round because okay, tell me some buckets that
we're forgetting about. And I got to show him some
love because they they real scores. One Bradley Bell shouts
to bradbil three levels, my guy, CJ three, My got
CJ McCollum, and that Bradley Bell round. Adams twenty a
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game every year. I'm averaging twenty. And you don't do
that by by just shooting threes or whatever. He's getting
to his in his package and scoring from whatever and
then and d way the way he's he didn't love
the three ball, but I gotta put him in that
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three way conversation, and I want you to talk Russell
Westbrook with me real quick, right, Okay, So that's when
he was in his prime. The mid range was automatic,
full speed mid range. You could count it like full
speed transition. I might you backing up. I'm just gonna
stop at the elbow because that's a layup. That's how
Rush felt, yeah right.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I mean when he got it going, especially the MVP year,
I don't I mean, he was doing it all. I
still think about the fifty point game he had against
Denver with the game winner. He just was just so
he plays so hard, right, and obviously he still played hard.
I mean it almost kind of hurt him sometimes because
he keep playing one speed.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So like.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, it's his touch, like his body's going one way
and then it's the other way.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
It's like all right, bro, but I know where you going,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And it's not even a disrespect, but like, yeah, Russ's
one of them dudes. His first step is so crazy.
He might dunk on you, he might lay he might
get the mid going, and if he feeling good, he
might get that three going where you have to guard him.
He's obviously streaking streaky from the three. But don't tell
him he can't shoot it, because he will. He'll call
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you on his bluff. He's not scared to shoot the three.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's the word.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I was gonna go with a streaky like yeah, but yeah,
you backing up like he can he shot the three
because you back there, you're so scared of the rim
and even the pull up MIDI you were you were
willing to live with him making a couple of threes. Yeah,
So absolutely to throw those names out there, Nah, No, rightfully,
So man, that's my fault.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I mean, you know, I got to throw a nod
out there, and probably another one would be Klay Thompson.
But he's just not an ISO guy to me, So
I mean, I think that's the only reason why I
kept him out of this convo. But for the most part,
you know what Clay was able to do and such.
Let you know, he don't need a lot of dribbles
to be effective. I mean, I think that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
We don't think Clay Midi.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But when he first came out, he was he was
in that in that old school floppy system where I
was coming off Penn downs and I'll shoot the mid
range too. Now they that's like tap boo in the lead.
They frowned pin coming off of pin down and shooting
and catching shoot two. But he was when he was
doing that, they wererunn a floppy on the Mark Jackson
him coming off one side, steph coming off the Other's
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that keep.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You up at night? Definitely keep you up at night.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Man, all you hear is splash splash, splash splash.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
All right, Dot, it's time man, let me hear you.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Five man, my five, number five goat mid range scores
of the twenty tens. Number five, Kobe Bryant five, Kobe.
I mean it's older Kobe. If we was in a
different era, he might be number one. But Kobe number five,
number four, Kyrie Irving, Okay, he's like six foot two
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Kobe to me, okay, three Carmelo Anthony okay, Number two,
Kawhi Leonard and number one KD three number scores.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
All right, mind a little different man, Kai at the five, Yeah,
I got Kawhi at the four. Yeah, I got James
Harden at three. I got Katie at the two, and
Mellow at the one.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh, mellow one, Katie, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I had to put mellow there at the one because
he just was He's been like that his whole career.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
He ain't have to evolve, he just he just missed
the three level.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
To me, Yeah, my only GRT with you is is
James Harden at three? Yeah above kawhi Kai.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, I gotta give love. I mean, this is
the MVP level, MVP level he wanted.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Like I was talking, he one of those few that
took it too far with it with too many threes,
and he completely abandoned the two like he never came
back to it. If you're a B level guy, you
gotta you gotta have a relationship with every day.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I like, I like that argument, the three to two,
the lay the free throws. I guess you can erase
the midi and add the free throws in with him because.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, he get I like, I like that casecoring.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But yeah, dude, heh he's one of the ones, man,
like for real, when I when I think about it,
because just just going back and watching any of his
those rocket seasons is just ridiculous. I can't I can't
see nothing different than that man. It's just he's unguardable,
and I think that's just the toughest thing. He ain't
have many made range, but he definitely shot him. So yeah,
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that was one of the things I had to keep
him in the mix.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Stephen James got the same reason why they eat in
my top five. They pioneered the double digit three point
attempts per night and I need and I'm basing my
mind off a lot of eye tests. The numbers is
cool and all that, but I'm looking at when I
watch a game. Am I seeing you consistently shoot different
types of shots?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Dot, I think you with with your argument, I might
be in the knee and say you got me because
you made me think a little bit more about my
choices and what does it take to qualify as a goat.
And you made a great case. If you don't take
the midi, you can't be in the five. It is
what it is. You can't abandon the MIDI. And I
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know there's some players that our listeners are going to
be saying, what about this person and what about this person?
But again, in order to be a three level score,
you got to score from three different spots. Three the
mid and at the basket, and that's just it's a
rare company nowadays in this type of system of basketball team.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
When we come back, we're going to discuss born in
the wrong era?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yo, So dot Man, we went and talked about all
these good players, who do you think was born in
the wrong era and that would thrive in this current NBA.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
This might be a cop out, but I feel like
right now I'm putting everybody, every single one of these
players we brought up, Katie Steph, James, Kobe, Kawhi, every
one of them could play in every single era because
these are guys you throw the ball to and they
go get a bucket.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Like you put them in the eighties when it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Was all two point jump shots, they averaging twenty five
to thirty, you put them in the nineties, whereas physical
they're averaging twenty five thirty and obviously now you know
what they're doing. So every single one of these players
could have been born in any era and still be
who they are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I have no argument about that.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
But if I had to choose a player, yeah, give
me one. Honestly, say Kobe Bryant. I think Kobe would
thrive in today's game. Obviously, he's the one on this
list that is not still active. Most of these guys
are still active, so they got a chance to play
in this era, but a healthy Kobe in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Do you think Kobe would have left the Lakers if
he played in his era?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean I say yes, because a couple of times
during his there was he was pumped, faking and acting
like he was gonna leave, and he never never pulled
the trigger. But it's hard to stay with one group,
one team your whole career nowadays.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Also, if he joined another superstar, does he win?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think the.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Absolutely, Like you give him one other you give him
one other superstar, he got a great chance of winning
the chip.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Like, just give him a decent big.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Give Kobe Cat and they got a good chance. They
got a.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Chance to win. I like the chances with Kobe and
Cat for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Man, Yeah, all right.
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So we grew up.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
My dad used to if we walked in the gym
and he saw us throw up a three was the
first shot, he would be on the ass. He'd be hot, like,
start from inside the lane, get your form right, see
the ball go through the net a few times, warm
up like mentally, and then slowly back out to three.
His worst nightmare was walking into the gym and seeing
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kids first without warming up, just throwing up shots.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And why not listen to him? It worked out, that's
the thing. Why not listen to him?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
He got a clip.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm listening to everything he got us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We still do that to this day. You always see it.
You don't see it, come in and throwing stuff up.
We walked to the front of the room. See if
you go in, and then we get our workout started.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Welcome back, we're back. What's up leader, what's stood? My boy?
We're back at it another week.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I feel like every week you got a new accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I finished it off, right, man.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Finally finally got the three point percentage crown under my
under my name in a few years. I mean, I've
been in the top five a bunch of times throughout
my career, so it was cool to get that number
one spot solidified. I think it's a lot of people say, yeah, yeah,
TIMPs ain't up there with Steph and the high volume
guys and Edwards and those guys. But I'm gonna be
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honest with you, it might be harder to come off
that bench and shoot that percentage when you don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Got to make them shots, man, Gotta make them shots
when you can. And I think that's a testament to
being a specialist in this current era. I think that
you can, you know, still fill it up and looking
at the numbers compared to your pops when he did it,
you know, like, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's a hats off.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
That's people don't look at y'all, especially shooters as like
that dominant, but like y'all are defended a certain way,
so y'all won't catch the ball, you know what I'm saying.
And players are drawn up specifically for y'all. That's why
y'all considered, you know, most dangerous people on the court.
So I'm man, that's a hat talk to you, man,
And and the testament of the season that you had,
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you know what I mean, you can't I mean, that's
the mental grind too, you know what I mean, respect
to your teammates and everybody involved, but the idea of
dealing with all the injuries, a lot of young guys,
few bets on the team, new coach, that organization, the
fans showing up for you guys, but just staying you know,
mentally prepared, being ready engaged, because you could easily just clock.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Out, you know what I mean. So it's all the grind.
I appreciate it. It was tough and the last couple of
weeks because everybody kept bringing it up, like you're number one,
you need to you need a first, you need to qualify,
get get to get the amount of makes in there
to qualify for the list. And then people were saying,
like a couple of times the rest come up to me.
I ain't know they had all this information, but they
were coming up to me before the game like, oh,
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I see you number one, and three, people saying just finish.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It off, finish it off.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I'm like, damn, everybody hearing about this, and I
don't like thinking about that stuff during the game, Like
I'm not checking my status throughout the season to see
where I'm right.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Once you get to the the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, when they doing their scout tape and the
scout reports, they see oldest guys shooting forty five from threes,
and I'm one in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So that kind of heights that sence. It's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I had guys like the last game we played
the Sebjics at Drew Holiday, tracking me around top, locking
me in the corner. So I had to work a
little bit harder to get those attempts up.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hey, man, it's like you said, it's archetype.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Man, when you get the type of guy's guarding you
and put in a little bit more respect, no matter
what anybody on the outside is saying. It's some mutual
respect from your from the people in the league. Man,
and you were defended. Man, We're gonna take a blast
of the past.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Man. We got a fun show today.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Man, We're gonna talk about three level scores or the
twenty tens. This is a good one, man, because we're
gonna have to break down with a three level score
is most people think they know what it is, but
we're gonna get into it and really break down and explain.
Because you know, the fun part about this, we educate
on this pot but we also teach the game, and
we're real students of the game on here, so I'm
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really excited to talk about this. So just to even
kick things off, man, the twenty tens was full of
elite scorers when it comes to three level scoring, meaning
the ability to efficiently and consistently score at the rim,
in the mid range, and from the three. Only a
few players truly mastered all three. And we got a
whole week I want to say a whole list because
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it's tears to it, but we got a lot of
guys that could score from a lot of places on
the court, and we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But first of all, Dot, what is a three level score?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, this list we're gonna talk about is basically full
bucket getters everywhere on the floor.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You could score from every level on the floor.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like you said, it's the three point line, the mid range,
getting to your spots at the mid range, some even
a post, and then obviously getting to the rim.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You gotta be able to do all three.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Especially, I think this is kind of a throwback archetype,
throwback type of conversation because as we get into these
twenty twenties and the analytics coming into play and coach
is trying to tell you not to shoot the mid range.
We don't even you don't post up as much. It
might be a dying breed at three level scorer. So
when you see one of today's games, like, oh, he
do he nice, he do it all. So these are
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these are the real bucket.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You can throw the ball to and say whatever it takes,
get us, get us a get us a basket.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
We're just gonna jump right into it.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
We're gonna talk about our homie, your former teammate, Kevin Durant,
elite all three level score man, whether it's length skill,
he's a mid range assassin, shoots over fifty percent from
the field, and for much of the decade, you know
what I'm saying, closest thing to Mike, to me as
far as from the mid range, and then he could
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score off the dribble and he definitely can you know,
iso mid post. However you want it, tell us about
the things you've seen being Kevin Durant's teammate as a
Brooklyn net.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's a reason like he ultra talented. First and foremost,
the size, the skill of two guard being seven foot
I don't care what he said, seven foot, but when
you see the work he puts in on a daily
basis in practice, you see the reps he gets at
all three levels. Like obviously he's a fishing is all
get out, catch and shoot. But then you see in
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practice he's wrapping out one dribble, two dribble, pull ups,
like the boring stuff that that a lot of young
guys don't want to do anymore. Just I'm shooting fifty
right pull ups, get to my spot, shooting fifty going left,
fifty step backs, fifty face up jazz. Like that's the
type of monotonous reps that makes you that type of score,
and like he does it every day, so he makes
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it look easy. But he really a guy that takes
what the defense gives you. If it's a night where
you're gonna he's spotting up, be you're catching the shooting,
that's what he's doing that game. If it's a night
where he getting in too the MIDI he can shoot
over guys, he doing that and obviously, uh, he's gonna
get to the rim, finish at the rim at a
high level too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So he living up to the name.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, absolutely, man shoutouts the snipe. All right, we got
your brother here. Man known mostly for three point shooting,
but he's also elite around the rim, back.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Cuts, lay ups. I don't think a lot of people
if there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm sure somebody on the internet has made a highlight
tape of Steph's layups because they don't. They don't get
talked about enough.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's up there.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, so we got him him, And honestly, him and
Kyrie are similar to me in a lot of ways.
They do this stuff in different ways when you look
at it from a visual standpoint, like the flare. Obviously,
Kyrie got the flare once he gets inside the line
and at the rim, but they both finish as good
as any guard of all time at the rim, like
they can really finish the finished layers, floaters, everything you want.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
When you talk about Steph, right, the three point ability
is so green to a point that, like ball handling
is overlooked lay like a lot of stuff, right, And
it's almost like how they defend him. They don't want
him to take the three, but they also forget that
he got a floater, he got a MIDI, he gonna
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take all them shots man. Obviously he enjoys taking the
three man, but he's super efficient.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
When he first came into the league, he was shooting
a lot of midties, like two thousand and nine, ten eleven,
he was coming off screen.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That to Nash and Reggie Miller. Yeah, that was the game.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
He was coming off ball screens and he wasn't like
you're thinking of stopping at the line, You're thinking of
just getting an open shot. So he was getting into
the two shooting a lot of two point jump shots.
And I remember like the first year, I want to say,
like twenty thirteen, maybe he was before the preseason. He's like,
I'm gonna shoot ten threes a game this year. I'm like,
what shoot?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
One person shooting ten threes is insane. It was thought out.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I don't know who put it in his brain,
Like probably one of the coaching staff or somebody was like,
just up your three point attempts. So I'm like, no way,
you can't shoot ten threes a night. Now he's shooting
twelve thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I mean I want to say, yeah, I kind of
remember that because Barkley said something about like the style
of play, they would never win it all three point shooting.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, jump shot shooting teams or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, that reminds me of a story back in twenty
twenty twenty two when Steph, like I was talking about
taking it too far, shooting too many threes, and like
middle of the season, I've seen Steph like he kind
of totally erased the mid range from his game. He
usually like all he all threes or if you ran
him off the three, he was you knew he was
going to the rim with float or something. So I'm like,
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I'm watching him. He was kind of went through a
tough stretch. I'm like, you need to start shooting mid
ranges again, bro, Like when when teams run you off
the line, they know where to find you after After that,
like I he's not shooting at three, So I'm gonna
meet him at the rim. All my big gonna come
over and meet him at the rim, and it's gonna
make it a tough finish, right. So I'm like, we
when against good teams, games get tough, you gotta you
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gotta have that third level. So he started shooting them
more added to it. And if you watch go back
and watch some of the film through that run twenty
two when they wanted to went to the finals and
beat Boston. He was shooting some miitties at big time
moments when it counted, So Warriors fans can thank me
for that sit.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sitting in the ring.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This next time, we was about to talk about you know,
you think Steph Chuck did a lot this dude, James Harden. Yeah,
his MVP seasons and prior to and a little bit after,
he was making sixteen to three point attempts look normal.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You could tell, you know, it would thought out on
his part, like having Dan, Tony and Morey in his ear, like, ye,
shoot as many three.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you shoot twenty threes a night, that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, aggressiveness opens up the floor for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And you know, you know, obviously James has one of
the deadliest step back threes. He's a generational player, you
know what I mean, Like when you think about the Lucas,
the Austin Reeves of the world, a few other players
that played just like him. I mean, he's not mentioned
enough for how he's changed the game. And then obviously
you know they talk about Shay foul Baity, but James was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'll remember when it first happened. We was in the
drew league in twenty eleven, during the Lockouf season, he
did like a sweep through where he sticks his arm
out and then kind of wave up, and I was
everybody was confused in the gym, and the ref was
kind of like foul, so like they like you can't
touch him. And that's kind of got him to like
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getting comfortable with doing it in the league.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But like after that.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
He was getting to the line so much and then
the scoring start going up over like thirties, forties.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Fifties, sixty. Do you think it was taken too far?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Cause you tell you you know some of the stuff
when James, both of them came in the league, James
is shooting a lot of midies and cutting too the basket,
cutting to the basket move and playing without the ball.
Everything he was doing from three, he was really doing
a lot of from two. Do you think it was
taken too far? As far as too many threes? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You don't see the versatility in his game as much anymore. Yeah,
I think he just got comfortable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like, I think that was the thing that he kind
of relied on, especially like you guys are shooters doing
the kickout and y'all were rewarded so much like it's
a gift in the curse when you had a four
point play and you know you can get it. It's
kind of like and he was making it at a
hard clip, you know what I mean, Like he making
eight to ten, So it's like, oh, if I get
twenty five off threes alone, like and then I go
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to the line and go get ten more, ten to twelve, Like, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
This is my strategy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But it kind of was hurting him because like you know,
he got to Philly and then even that first year
with the Clippers, it was kind of like people were
questioning like dang, like is he good or he's not?
And this year he's kind of like got back to
like what he does best and getting back to like
his little movements and swags.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So like I feel like right now it's perfect for
his game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The battle I have is because you know, it's more
efficient like to shoot a lot of threes, try to
get foul, foult bit, whatever the case may be. But
as far as the esthetic point and watching the game,
I don't enjoy watching him play, like and even so
most people don't because Luca trying to get failed or
he's shooting a step back three. I know it's I mean,
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it's the right way to play analytically, but I don't
enjoy I don't like I said, I don't want to
watch that all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'd rather watch it who kawhi.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They have a buoker who's scoring, who just trying to
put the ball in the hole from anywhere on the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it gets interesting and and someone mentioned it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They threw it out.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
There's like lack of variety, I want to say with
Bomana Jones, right, because like although the high volume of
three is kicked off right and you can score or
you can get to the rack, so it's three, it's three,
it's three or three or layup right and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You take away the mid.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
The mid made it fun because there was different styles
of the med.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You got the fade away, you got the full speed
pull up, you got like just just a toughness of
a shot, and yeah, like so many different ways face ups, reverse,
you know, the pivot work was important. So it's a
little different, and I don't say it's taken away from it,
but like the possessions, like that All Star game, we
watched that one year where they had two hundred points, Like,
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I'm just like, I don't want to see this though, because.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like it's no need to play defense.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's like when you playing and open gym and you
know the game about to get sloppy and you'd rather
just walk off because nobody's really playing defense and they
just chucking it. You ain't gonna be on the You
ain't gonna be on the defensive end that long, you
know what I mean. So that's the thing to think
about when you think about that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you making your shots tonight or not?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Like where's the where's the tactical aspect of the game.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
At a point, I probably would consider that a four
level score when you could actually master get into the line. Yeah,
I really think about it because it ain't easy. If
it was easy, everybody would be doing it. It'd be nasty,
but it'd be everybody would make it, you know, because
your brother don't get no.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Call, No trust me, I've tried.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'll come in the seasons like I'm trying to get
fouled tonight a couple of games like I'm just gonna
I'm trying get to the line that.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Look as stupid feel it just don't work two for eight.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'm like, man, I ain't got no possessions in the
bag to be wasted trying to get foul.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's but that's another thing right there, all right, Moving
right along. Kobe Bryant, the late great Kobe Bryant, while
in his prime in the two thousands, he was foot
on the line long twos. But he man, he making
you work. He getting into that B line. He get
me and posts. He shooting three.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Ball like Duncan.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Those type of players, it's so unpredictable because, like you know,
the guys when they can't shoot.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You just packed the pain.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, when it's a guy that can shoot, you kind
of close out hard, but you're giving up the lay.
You better have like a big down there to kind
of like make him kind of move around a little
bit more, right, And Yeah, it's just it's gonna be
a long night. You just better hope they miss all
them three level scores.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They just get it going.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Man, depending on how you being guarded, you will You're
taking what the defense give you. It ain't like I'm
coming into the game doing one thing.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, I ain't working like that. I mean I consider
you a three level scorer at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You know what I mean, because like again, you have
to respect your three balls so much, but also you
know how to make a read and throw the floater.
You also know how to get to the line. You
know how to shoot the mid when you are missing threes,
and I think this is a lost art too. What
do you need to see for you to start taking
threes again? Not saying that you're gonna stop, but what
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do you need to get going?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what you can't value.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You can't put a value on seeing the ball go
through the hoop, whether that's a fifteen foot jump shot
or even a free throw like or a float or whatever.
Like if I can't make a shot tonight from three,
I'm like, let me go in, shoot a little pull up,
and I'm like, oh, I'm hot. Now I know what
it feels like to go in. I feel like my
three point gonna follow suit. So, like I said, we
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talk about analytics, it's hard. You see a lot of
these guys who just shoot threes have off nights to
go on for ten. You know what I'm saying is
you can't come back. You can't get your rhythm right
because you are you doing is in tough threes and
you're not seeing then easy one go through. So like
I said, you can't you can't quantify what that feels like.
Just put one in the basket from wherever.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, I look at lack of awareness.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think when you are still trying to get the
same shot, that's that's robot mode, when you're trying to
get workout shots.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, and also when in the playoffs, like all these
guys we talk about are playoff performers for the most part,
like they're up their game in the playoffs because everything scouted,
Like if you if you're a one level scorer, you
can you can be scouted out of your game on
some nights.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You know what this is Where to find them?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Take them, run them off the line or back up
off of them, don't let them get in the paint.
We continue a little bit more than a guy who's
willing to shoot whatever shot the defense gives them on
that possession. And these are, like I said, high playoff
performers who who no matter what what, they've seen it
all and they can they can figure out a way
to get it going. Like now I'll be watching I
go watch kids who man, they first first shot is
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a three?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, he checked.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I hate it, like my dad like we grew up,
so we grew up. My dad used to if if
we walked in the gym and he saw us throw
up a three was the first shot, he would be
on the ass. He'd be hot, like, start from inside
the lane, get your form right, see the ball go
through the go through the net a few times, warm
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up like mentally, and then slowly back out to three.
His worst nightmare was walking in the gym and seeing
kids first without warming up, just throwing up shots.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And why not listen to him? That's the thing. Why
not listen to him?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
He got a clip.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I'm listening to everything he got to say.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
In fact, so I still do. We still do that
to this day. You always see it. We were walking in.
You don't see her come in and throwing stuff up.
We walked to the front of the room. See if
you go in and then we get our workout started.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because you can't. You can't just start off with
the first shot.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You got it. You gotta see it go through the net, all.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Right, Manwichael Jordan's man, you know what I Meanawichael Jordan
need a dude, man, you know I mean mid to late.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You haven't seen it. You done seen it?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Man? Straight up man.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, he got old school two thousands, two thousands, game
many monsters what you call him?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
He feel I feel like he was born to play
in the triangle offense. Catching on the elbow. I so
go to work. You can't get double like his sweet
throas is crazy, too crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He got it all.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It ranged my extro man, especially in the playoffs. He's
so efficient. Even when you think he shot about to
get blocked, he just get up there and it's just
like it's it's just a.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Perfect follow through.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
It's so textbook man, straight up and down.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And I think at first with Kawhi he was more
of a two level of guy to me that he
was in the paint and MIDI. But it's his career
got along. His three ball came to man.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He like I said, once he added the three ball,
he was tough to guard because it's handle to his
handle underrated it is, it's underrated like a.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Lot of people. He ain't got it.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Between the legs.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Did he go back and then.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Shoot from the MIDI he can shoot from three the
between tween step back.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But like you said, it's the mechanics. The mechanics so ingrained.
He don't break character. He's the same shot. He's shooting
the same shot sometow that's hard for a lot of
people to shoot the same shot. Like I gotta make
adjustment if I'm gonna shoot the mir range the same
he shoot the mirror range like he shoot the three
like the same for like the shot, Like I see
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nobody shoot like that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah he got Yeah kawhich like Kawhi Kobe JMJ. Like
you said, all very similar in the way they move.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, it's it's almost it's not stiff, but it's it's
like fact three seconds.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, the foot is the footwork. It's the footwork.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, you see has been drilled and they worked on
it so much. It's like I'm going with this muscle
memory at this point. I've done it so many times
in the gym by myself.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, no, for sure. All right.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This dude another guy that was your teammate, Kyrie Irving,
you talked about him on the previous show. Arguably one
of the best below the rim finishers of the decade.
Has a smooth mid range elite shock creation like I don't.
He might be the hardest player of the guard in
the league to me, and then you know, once he
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gets the three ball going, it's not much you really
can do. I don't think nobody Like when he missed layups,
it's really on him because he put too much English
on it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
He'd be having fun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He be trying stuff out there when it gets when
he get in the lane, like it's like I don't
want to. Sometimes I see him have the wide open
layer on the right side, and for whatever reason, I
feel like he just, oh, let me try to hang
between switch hands lefty for no reason, but he had
to have.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I think him and Kads similar though, because Kate don't
like going to the rim. He preferred going to mid
range because he just think that's just like it's.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The fun part of the game.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He feels like going to get a dunk is too
easy and most people might think that's like crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like it is, like he get bored out there sometimes.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta challenge yourself, man, And it's
not like all right, I mean I think it. I
think it paid off in the long run for k
because it's like longevity. He ain't got it paying his
body up against people. You know what I'm saying, He
straight up and down and get back.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I mean Kyrie, the last one of the fifty forty
ninety guys we we talked about just now, Steph KD. Kyrie,
the last one in this era of like the fifty
forty nineties where you got fifty from the Phil forty
from three ninety from the free throw line, like you're real,
You're a real shooter, like you can score from everywhere
at a high clip.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
We're gonna take a break, but when we come back,
we're gonna discuss some more names, and then me and
Dot's gonna give our top five, all right, Dot, Devin
(23:05):
Booker Man, He's another one that reminds me of a
two thousand scuard, you know, gets to the MIDI, lives
and dies by the MIDI. I feel like, if you
shoot the midi, then your automatic lock for a three
level score, that is that's it. You gotta have it,
and it gota consistent. When your mid rings become a layup,
(23:27):
that's that's when you know you the top percentile of
three level scoring.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He one of those ones where, like most of the
time throughout the season. You you walk into the the
film room and you get the scatty porty like we
want this team to shoot middies, like we're cool contest
the two point jump shots.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Book ain't one of those, like you let him get
to that too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Back you down and kind of pivot in and get
over the top because he shoots with a lot of elevation.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean. I've watched Book.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
You know, I got a chance to cover Book and
eighteen twenty nineteen, he does his routine is the duck walk,
and he does the duck walk and then he goes
right into the shot.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
He learned that from Dirt. Dirt is the first one
to start that. So it's like getting your legs into
your shot.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, it's so important.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
But you see all the shots that he's taking, those
over the top middies because they become so effective in
the game, and his change of speed to is underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Because he gets right on the top.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I had I was.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I was on him a little bit about not taking
a deep three. He seemed to added it to his
game in the last couple of years, but he would
not take it. He was hugging the line, which was
a little bit more efficient, but like teams could guard
him a little bit easier, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's the something I've worked on personally, like and still
to this day, Like creeping back a couple of steps
behind the line, Yeah, because I can do it. But
I feel so comfortable at the line, and even if
they run me off the line, feel comfortable shooting the
mid range a couple of steps in. It's like if
I if I go out there, and it might drop
my numbers a little bit if I shoot from a
(25:06):
few steps behind the line, but it opens up everything
else in your game. Like you become like that, it's
another level, Like they gotta come out and guard you further.
Screens get set further, give you more lanes to drive
and get to where you want to go. So I
could feel why it could be tough for him because
he feels so comfortable at the line, and that's what
he's done his whole life.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm not gonna lie. I feel like I overstepped a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I gonna lie because I mean, at that point he
wasn't he was an all star because Dame got hurt. Yeah,
when he found out right and I was like, yo,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
It's kind of crazy for me to see.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Was this like in the press room or.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah yeah, because I would talk to him every game,
you know what I mean, we had that relationship. But
I was just kind of like, dude, you know, you
would be so much like difficult to guard if you
step back a little bit more and he gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Look at me.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But it was kind of like I kind of hear you.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But like like, dude, like relax, I got this and
he gonna act like that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But he respected because he probably he thought about it.
He probably thought about somebody else that told him.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Oh yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I used to give him a hard time. I wouldn't
ask the question live, but I'd be like, okay you
because he used to do this little pump fake and
one time he lost the game because he didn't like
time it right.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He did the upfake and then kind.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Of paused and shot it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And he made the shot, but it expired, and I
was like, shoot the first one, like you know what
I mean, like elevating, shoot the first one. But he
was overthinking it and we kind of joe. We walked
through the tunnel together back to the you know, cause
they had they had did the postgame thing. It was
like a national TV game and I was like, oh,
he respects me enough to hear me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
He like, no, you're right, like you know.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
So that's when I felt comfortable, thinking like I could
be like, yo, step back a little bit and shoot
the DP three. But it was kind of like yo, tray,
you wall and you too comfortable. This is the guy
right here, Damian little like Damien Liter When I think
about range, now, obviously your brother he be throwing it
from the tunnel and doing all those things.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But in game, Dame be shooting from the logo like
it's a mere range to me.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
To me, Dame is a he had two and a half,
like he got his three ranges are four point range,
the three point line, and then the paint like he
don't shoot a lot of To me, he he don't
love the MIDI, but he his range is extended so
far and it's so easy. Like talking about don't deform,
don't change. It seemed like the further he go out,
(27:36):
the easier to shot get. Yeah, he's so strong, his
legs and his core so strong. It's like nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
A lot of people try to practice that shot that
you was a part of It's not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh yeah, the Bye Bye game and that's.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That shots not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I tried it.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
That shot not easy.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's not an easy shot. Knew it wasn't easy. Paul George,
He's like, I'm letting shoot, Like, no.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Way, that's not an easy shot. It's easy to dame.
It's a high percent and shot for him, because again,
he's made so many deep threes to a point where
you gotta respect it, you know what I mean, Like
it's it's not one of those like you're you wallin
him and stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
They can have fun and be firing.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It up, but like barely coming past and watching about
that series that he was so confident, like that was
probably the eighth deep three he made that series, like
he was doing it consistently.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And look how much of the floor he opened up
by teams happening to come up, Like, you know, you
got to guard a guy like I've seen a clip
of Caitlyn Clark against the Iowa practice Iowa Boys practice.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That was crazy, And.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I'm looking through the comments and guys are like, oh
I would have did this, and I'm like, you can't
guard that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Picking up at the three point line.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
She could just let it go.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean them type of guards, Dame, the Caitlin's, the
Steps James, even Trey Young Gotta he's another one that
got a deep clip.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You think about they could pull up whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They might be going full speed to a point where
you think they about to beat you off the dribble,
and then they just rise up and you're like, there's
no way he's taking this because you look and you
see the paint from the half court longo and you like, nah,
and it's splash. So she she wanted the hardest to
guard because she could get shifty. And it's like if
she if she squared with the basket and her mechanics
(29:30):
is she's so true to her mechanics that it's like.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It's just whether it's ten feet or forty feet, that
it's consistent.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And that's and that's a different level to the office.
Like if you if you got that range and you
can dribble, you unguardable.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, you ungib you unguardable.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You just gotta hope that the that that they miss,
that's it. That's the best way to just hope that
whatever little this worked the last time you you're hoping
in your mom that was the reason why they missed
and not because they leaned a little bit or they landed.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
On the wrong foot. Lebron James three way score Brons.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, he especially him, he's three now.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, he's developed it. That's like improvement from him.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Like he came into the league obviously getting to the
room unstoppable. He had the phase even in high school
and coming into the league, he had the post phase,
the midi phase felt like he was trying to be
like Jordan. But as he developed his own style he
is now, especially now in his career in the twenty
(30:40):
but twenty tens, he still had games where he gets
high from three and he and he developed into a
three level guy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But will he make your goal five? Will the one
of the goats make your goal?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
You will not make my goal.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I'm telling you that now, Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Anthony, Yes, I'm telling you right now. He's made my
go five. He might be top two for me.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He's made I don't know where, but he making my
goal five.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Because so he got USA record for threes right one level.
We know what he do in the mid range, yep,
post work, elbow work all that, Like a lot of
people learn from from Mellow on that block as far
as posting up, shooting step back jump shots all over
the floor, and then he physical is all get out,
(31:28):
he's gonna punish you and get to the rim, get
to the free throw line. Got some posters in his
collection like he doing it all. That's that's the definition
of a three level.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean, Mellow is so mean bro, like he's
one of the purest scores. But also when you think
about getting left out on that island, no help came
a legal defense, right, you got the jab step, you
got the fade away, you got to pull up.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You name it like it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And he's strong. Yeah, he's strong.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And he because he always could shoot the three.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, he always could shoot the three.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
It wasn't nothing like Oh, when you really think about
flaws and Mellow game, it's not many from a offensive perspective.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm gonna throw another name out there in that in
that Mellow round who a lot of people don't get
their respect to.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And that's Rudy Gay. Three levels, smooth.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Rudy Gay average nineteen with the Raptors one year, Right,
he was going crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
But Rudy Gay.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Kings, I mean, however you want to think about he was.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He was bumping dog.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
He like a baby Mellow obviously not as good, but
he got all the tools that Mellow had.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, three three, smooth game in the mid range.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He might be more athletic than Melos.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
That's good. Hey, Rudy could fly. Yeah, he was a
dunk contest guy. He could fly for real, for real. Yeah,
especially young Rudy, he could fly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And the elevation like these guys these another one of
those gotsh goot good elevations like long and tall, but
also get to your spot and just rise up like
that's a that's the key to to having all the
different levels.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Paul George.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, like these three you know the the Pokemon mean
where you see the three evolutions that chars are like,
that's these, Paul George, Rudy Gay Mellow like different versions
of the same same guy to me, like long wings, athletic,
great shooter, great shooters, but shooting the mid range composed
(33:34):
like cant do it Lily, do it all?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Just long sixteen Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think that's the most underrated part about his game,
Like most people don't understand how tall Paul is and
and the things that he can do at his size.
And then obviously he loved to play defense, but you
know he got it cooking on offense. I remember the
classic Knicks series that most people talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But then you know his game was just so smooth.
He was cooking. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
See when he was in Indiana, he had those battles
with the Heatles and bron going toe to toe. You
thought you thought the pacer was gonna knock him off
because yeah, Paul George was hooping.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah. Nah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He used to hold his own Young PG Young PG.
Twenty four before he switched.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This to Catch twenty two with these dudes too, like
you got so many tools in your toolbox. Sometimes Paul
George is over complicated, like I wanna I want to
show my back too. I want to handle sometimes like
Mellow had like the perfect ballast, like I'm keeping it simple.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I got it all, but I'm gonna keep it simple.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He gonna post you like this, use his hip, do
all that. You know what I mean to get because
he just got you right in that little elevator.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Alright, I'm throw the Bama face up and if you
give me the jab jump shot, I'm shoot the jab
jump shot. But if I need to get in my
back and go to work, I need to. But if
you're gonna let me jab and shoot over you every time,
you gotta know you got all this like so you
got all the tools and all the weapons to use,
you just know when to use them.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
All right, I think it's time for us to hop
into our goat five. This has been a very challenging
one because we named so many different scores. I mean,
it's so many, so many people in the league that
get buckets. Man.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, before we give our goat, I gotta go my
honorable mention round because okay, tell me some buckets that
we're forgetting about. And I got to show him some
love because they they real scores. One Bradley Bell shouts
to bradbil three levels, my guy, CJ three, My got
CJ McCollum, and that Bradley Bell round. Adams twenty a
(35:31):
game every year. I'm averaging twenty. And you don't do
that by by just shooting threes or whatever. He's getting
to his in his package and scoring from whatever and
then and d way the way he's he didn't love
the three ball, but I gotta put him in that
(35:51):
three way conversation, and I want you to talk Russell
Westbrook with me real quick, right, Okay, So that's when
he was in his prime. The mid range was automatic,
full speed mid range. You could count it like full
speed transition. I might you backing up. I'm just gonna
stop at the elbow because that's a layup. That's how
Rush felt, yeah right.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I mean when he got it going, especially the MVP year,
I don't I mean, he was doing it all. I
still think about the fifty point game he had against
Denver with the game winner. He just was just so
he plays so hard, right, and obviously he still played hard.
I mean it almost kind of hurt him sometimes because
he keep playing one speed.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So like.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, it's his touch, like his body's going one way
and then it's the other way.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
It's like all right, bro, but I know where you going,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And it's not even a disrespect, but like, yeah, Russ's
one of them dudes. His first step is so crazy.
He might dunk on you, he might lay he might
get the mid going, and if he feeling good, he
might get that three going where you have to guard him.
He's obviously streaking streaky from the three. But don't tell
him he can't shoot it, because he will. He'll call
(37:06):
you on his bluff. He's not scared to shoot the three.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's the word.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I was gonna go with a streaky like yeah, but yeah,
you backing up like he can he shot the three
because you back there, you're so scared of the rim
and even the pull up MIDI you were you were
willing to live with him making a couple of threes. Yeah,
So absolutely to throw those names out there, Nah, No, rightfully,
So man, that's my fault.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I mean, you know, I got to throw a nod
out there, and probably another one would be Klay Thompson.
But he's just not an ISO guy to me, So
I mean, I think that's the only reason why I
kept him out of this convo. But for the most part,
you know what Clay was able to do and such.
Let you know, he don't need a lot of dribbles
to be effective. I mean, I think that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
We don't think Clay Midi.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But when he first came out, he was he was
in that in that old school floppy system where I
was coming off Penn downs and I'll shoot the mid
range too. Now they that's like tap boo in the lead.
They frowned pin coming off of pin down and shooting
and catching shoot two. But he was when he was
doing that, they wererunn a floppy on the Mark Jackson
him coming off one side, steph coming off the Other's
(38:11):
that keep.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You up at night? Definitely keep you up at night.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Man, all you hear is splash splash, splash splash.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
All right, Dot, it's time man, let me hear you.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Five man, my five, number five goat mid range scores
of the twenty tens. Number five, Kobe Bryant five, Kobe.
I mean it's older Kobe. If we was in a
different era, he might be number one. But Kobe number five,
number four, Kyrie Irving, Okay, he's like six foot two
(38:45):
Kobe to me, okay, three Carmelo Anthony okay, Number two,
Kawhi Leonard and number one KD three number scores.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
All right, mind a little different man, Kai at the five, Yeah,
I got Kawhi at the four. Yeah, I got James
Harden at three. I got Katie at the two, and
Mellow at the one.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh, mellow one, Katie, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I had to put mellow there at the one because
he just was He's been like that his whole career.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
He ain't have to evolve, he just he just missed
the three level.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
To me, Yeah, my only GRT with you is is
James Harden at three? Yeah above kawhi Kai.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, I gotta give love. I mean, this is
the MVP level, MVP level he wanted.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Like I was talking, he one of those few that
took it too far with it with too many threes,
and he completely abandoned the two like he never came
back to it. If you're a B level guy, you
gotta you gotta have a relationship with every day.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I like, I like that argument, the three to two,
the lay the free throws. I guess you can erase
the midi and add the free throws in with him because.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, he get I like, I like that casecoring.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But yeah, dude, heh he's one of the ones, man,
like for real, when I when I think about it,
because just just going back and watching any of his
those rocket seasons is just ridiculous. I can't I can't
see nothing different than that man. It's just he's unguardable,
and I think that's just the toughest thing. He ain't
have many made range, but he definitely shot him. So yeah,
(40:32):
that was one of the things I had to keep
him in the mix.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Stephen James got the same reason why they eat in
my top five. They pioneered the double digit three point
attempts per night and I need and I'm basing my
mind off a lot of eye tests. The numbers is
cool and all that, but I'm looking at when I
watch a game. Am I seeing you consistently shoot different
types of shots?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Dot, I think you with with your argument, I might
be in the knee and say you got me because
you made me think a little bit more about my
choices and what does it take to qualify as a goat.
And you made a great case. If you don't take
the midi, you can't be in the five. It is
what it is. You can't abandon the MIDI. And I
(41:17):
know there's some players that our listeners are going to
be saying, what about this person and what about this person?
But again, in order to be a three level score,
you got to score from three different spots. Three the
mid and at the basket, and that's just it's a
rare company nowadays in this type of system of basketball team.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
When we come back, we're going to discuss born in
the wrong era?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yo, So dot Man, we went and talked about all
these good players, who do you think was born in
the wrong era and that would thrive in this current NBA.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
This might be a cop out, but I feel like
right now I'm putting everybody, every single one of these
players we brought up, Katie Steph, James, Kobe, Kawhi, every
one of them could play in every single era because
these are guys you throw the ball to and they
go get a bucket.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Like you put them in the eighties when it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Was all two point jump shots, they averaging twenty five
to thirty, you put them in the nineties, whereas physical
they're averaging twenty five thirty and obviously now you know
what they're doing. So every single one of these players
could have been born in any era and still be
who they are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I have no argument about that.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
But if I had to choose a player, yeah, give
me one. Honestly, say Kobe Bryant. I think Kobe would
thrive in today's game. Obviously, he's the one on this
list that is not still active. Most of these guys
are still active, so they got a chance to play
in this era, but a healthy Kobe in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Do you think Kobe would have left the Lakers if
he played in his era?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean I say yes, because a couple of times
during his there was he was pumped, faking and acting
like he was gonna leave, and he never never pulled
the trigger. But it's hard to stay with one group,
one team your whole career nowadays.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Also, if he joined another superstar, does he win?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think the.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Absolutely, Like you give him one other you give him
one other superstar, he got a great chance of winning
the chip.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Like, just give him a decent big.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Give Kobe Cat and they got a good chance. They
got a.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Chance to win. I like the chances with Kobe and
Cat for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Man, Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
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Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's d O T Curry. That's Dot Curry. I'll let me.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
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