Greatest Beefs with Anthony Jeselnik

On the inaugural episode of The Greatest, Megan and C.J. welcome comedian Anthony Jeselnik to discuss, among other things, the greatest sports beefs of all time. From Reggie Miller and Spike Lee to Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding, along with some surprises thrown in that you may not expect, sports' greatest feuds, grievances, and disputes are broken down and debated.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. Alrighty,
Megan Gaily, how are you doing. I'm doing great. You
just let me use your deodorant. Thank you so much. Absolutely,
And this is my husband's c J. Tolrodano. I'm your husband. Yes,

(00:23):
I am your husband. Well no, it's just funny. You like,
thank me for using your using my deodorants, Like, of
course I have no choice. Well but I didn't. Well, yeah,
of course you have no choice in anything. So we
are We are a married couple. Um, and we are
hosting this new podcast that you're listening to called The
Greatest Because I don't know, people found us and they're like,
this is a very funny couple, I guess. And they

(00:45):
love sports and we we love sports. We love talking
about sports, we love arguing about school. When we first
started dating, everyone was like, what, oh, yeah, you like sports,
Like that's a whole reason to get married, and I
guess for us it was. It was the introduction to
us being romantic. I think, if anything, we've known each

(01:07):
other for ten years now. We started dating three years ago,
almost three years ago exactly, starting December five, which it's
already passed. Staring you down. I'm really like hitting me.
I've forgot about December. No, no, I don't forget about it,
but it's it is going to be our former anniversary. Anyways,
we and we've loved sports. We've been very good friends
over the years because of our love for sports and comedy. Um,

(01:31):
and you know, I think we find ourselves talking about
it so much that we have now somehow made a career.
We've crossed over into a career of sports and comedy
and whatever people think is a good mixture of the two.
So we're going to invite some of our favorite comedians, friends,
sports personalities and have a debate, the discussion and argument.

(01:54):
I think in the in the age of social media,
the discussion that is always happening is the goat dis gush.
And for anyone doesn't know the goat, goat stands for
greatest of all time. Everyone's you know that. I think
the most prominent one is always Jordan's versus lebron or
greatest team Warriors versus the Lakers or Patriots. Yeah, exactly.
And I feel like no one's ever going to get

(02:16):
a absolute, you know answer, definitive answer, definitive one. But
the journey to. It is always exciting. I think I'm
going to give the people. Well, I think that's why
it's very fun that you are hosting this because you
don't think you're ever wrong. I do think i'm wrong,
as I think I'm wrong a lot, but I do

(02:41):
think there's arguments to be made why I'm right. But
I say sorry, and I say I was wrong a lot,
a lot. Okay, you do, you do and I don't. So,
Actually I don't know why you're hosting this. I know
you're a very talented sports writer, sports creative, one of
the Mind's director highlights. I'm a director. Well don't you

(03:02):
should not interrupt me while I'm giving your credits. I
don't know if you guys heard me, right, A director
at House of Highlights. We have both worked for the NFL.
We worked in the NFL different years for The Checkdown,
which is a very fun brand over there. Um and yeah,
we we've we've worked in the NFL. You've worked for

(03:22):
You've written for the SPS for a couple of years. Um,
you've been in a bunch of really great sports pilots
that deserve to go. Recently wrote for Blake Griffin Rover
Blake Griffins. I hope you're doing well. Yeah, you've been
to how many Super Bowls? I've been to three, which
isn't a credit, but you know how many people have
gone to that many Super Bowls? How many white girls

(03:44):
named Megan? Maybe a lot? Yeah, probably I met some
other Megan's there. Um, but yeah, we we hope that.
You know, this is a podcast we're gonna bring on
our friends and we're gonna talk about, you know, the
greatest in every aspect of sports. And I think it's
you know, greatest players, greatest teams. Always the fun stuff
like greatest sports movies, greatest comebacks, greatest uniform greatest uniforms, um,

(04:06):
greatest sports commercials. The great thing about sports is that
there are so many little areas that we can discuss
and hopefully have healthy, um and heated arguments and debates.
You feel free to disagree with us, feel free to
yell in your car, you can tweet us when you
think we're wrong. Um, but we hope you enjoyed the podcast.

(04:26):
And here is the first episode of the Greatest alright,
should we get right into it. I like when there's
like a little top, you know, do you guys have
any do you have a plan. Yeah, we absolutely have
a plan and some of this we're going to be doing. See,
this is the thing. I like to introduce people right
away because I don't want people to have to sit
in silence. UM, so I will take it upon myself

(04:48):
to introduce our guests today. I love how you acted
like I wasn't doing that. Oh you were, God, I
was saying, move it along. speA can introduce our friend,
Anthony Jesselyn. I care, well, why did you just do it? Okay,
let's go okay. So I would like to say a friend,
a mentor. When I think about people that have bought
me meals in my life, it's my dad c J.

(05:11):
And our famous friend that's here today, Anthony jessel Nick.
Thank you. I wish you would added boss to that
currently not currently well, but I feel like it's a
hiatus boss. Yeah, so you could technically fire me like you.
We do have a boss employee relationship at all times,

(05:32):
even if I'm not paying you currently, I feel like
I have that with you, and I don't. My income
doesn't depend on you. See, I'm like when you guys
like our friend, I was just like, M like, it's
definitely it's definitely. Megan is like a good friend of mine.
Like when I say goodbye to Megan, I'm like, I
love you, have a good day. You're definitely one. Bet.

(05:53):
I like you a lot. I don't know that I
know what I know about you. I know from Megan. Listen.
I I emailed you, you didn't email back. I got it.
It was all good. When did that happen years ago?
I mean this is I told you this. We because
we thought we were like high one night and I'm
and c J mentioned this to me that he had

(06:14):
emailed you, but you were one of like twenty people
in the business. I was like, hey, you have a
show coming out? Can I write for it? You know?
I mean then I don't even get my email. I
opened for you for a week at a weekend in Milwaukee.
I just email Yeah, for a weekend of the week
turner or maybe maybe just like a night or two. Yeah,

(06:36):
I'm Milwaukee with a theater. Um. Yeah. I mean, I like,
I knew of you, but I did not remember the email.
And I got a lot of those. Yeah, I bet those.
So I hold no grudges towards you, and honestly, I'm
very grateful that you've employed. Megan, I would be shocked
if you held the gugg. I probably did, for like
open the podcast with it. But I've always liked you,
and I even told Megan earlier. I was like, Megan,

(06:58):
I like you so much that if I did not
think that c J was the man for you, I
would tell you like I would feel good. I would
be like, I have to, it's my responsibility. But I'm
such a fan of c J and your chemistry, and
I believe you. Guys, we married for like twenty years.
I think. I think a long time because I die
though right, not because something happens. I mean, I've obviously

(07:20):
wished for you to die instead of us getting divorced.
I would much prefer to be a widow. Yeah, you
got much more sympathy. But Megan, I would say, is volatile,
and as women in show business get older, they do
not get less crazy that. I just see the woman
that you're marrying in a month is going to go

(07:43):
through some changes. I've already seen it. She came in
here hot wearing all leopards, so I'm getting previous of it.
We're in the middle of Hollywood in this how she's
an actor I've known our producer for ten minutes and
I've had seven arguments with myself in front of him.
But good. I just think when you're working with someone,
it's good to let them know who you are. Yeah,

(08:04):
so we established sometimes yeah, sometimes their lawsuits involved, but yeah,
that's true. I would be the first woman who is
time's upped. I do think that may happen because I
act inappropriate two men all the time. Oh, I've said
it to you, like we've been in a car and
you'll be like like, like we'd stay at a hotel
where there's like a baseball team. I'm i gonna be like,

(08:25):
hey ballplayers, like you're getting married, Like stop this, Like
if I was, if you were, if I was with
you and you talked that way and you're like tweet
things like oh like this guy is like is like
so handsome? Yeah, I would give my body to Dwight
Freny kind of things that I'm like, don't you just
see this and get me? But the thing is the
people she picks. It's like Dwight Freeney like a baseball

(08:46):
like go have fun, do whatever you want. You'll be
with a baseball player. That's fine, Like you've made your choice,
you know what I mean, Like you've you've built your house.
We saw it, drews hell. But remember that he looked great.
Actually he didn't. He he did not look great. That's
why it was tough to figure out. He sounded great. Yeah,
that's how we figured it out because I was walking
to the bathroom and I heard his voice and I

(09:08):
was like, oh my god, it's him. But he looked
like he was preparing for a role that made him
like a normal I think I think he's just looked normal.
Like when you have to do the things people do
to their bodies to get ready for a nude scene
or a tight costume, is like insane that you can
look like complete crap and then two weeks later look

(09:30):
like an Olympic athlete. Yeah that's I mean, that's what
I'm trying to do for the wedding. Now, when this
comes out, we'll already be married, so we're pretending like
we're married. C G has promised he's not at the altar.
He says he's coming. I will be there. I'll be there.
We'll be there. Ye be here or there or there.
I'm still I'm still shocked at my uh, like in

(09:52):
a blackout. I bought you a wedding present, which I
used last night for the first time. It is very complicated.
I believe it. Yeah, that was very nice. You think
you're welcome. You're welcome. I like to I like to
just go I like the ball out and just get
like the best thing on the registry or something that's
comical in some way, like when our friend Mo Welch
had a had a baby shower. They had like one

(10:15):
of the things was a baby gate, and I got
them for baby gates. It was like that baby is
not going anything, but we don't even have roof of these.
Just it'll be funny to open this. And it was
a hit. But I not only did I get you
the wedding present, but I reserved the hotel and senator
rs v P Yeah, and sent the rs VP and
did it all correctly, like I've done that sometimes where

(10:36):
I wake up and I'm like I'm flying aware, like
I messed this up completely. My groom's been you rs VP.
Do you send a gift all before my groomsmen or
any of my close personal friends. I believe it, Like
I just I know if I don't do it right, away,
I'm going to forget, so I that's very nice. Now.
I put c J in charge of getting MO and
Sam a baby present, and I thought, he would, you know,

(10:57):
do like you did, go on the registry find something.
I was outside for five minutes and I come back
in and c J had purchased some Kyrie, some basketball
seekers because that's how I know Mo. You know, It's
like I don't. I kind of like, if I have
some backstory, I'm gonna lean more into that rather than
a list of things that they need, like relatives. People
who don't really know these people. They can do it

(11:19):
that way. I'd rather do. I think I agree. I
think we just with most specifically knowing her. I'm sure
she was thrilled with that. With that gift. I heard
someone was getting married had a registry and someone just
like like someone who's famous we would all know, bought
everything on the registry. Yeah, And I was just like,
it's a baller move, but you're screwing over every wedding guest.

(11:39):
He's like, well, now what do I do? Well? You
give money? I mean, I had an aunt text me
last week and she's like, we're having a discussion. Do
you want money or do you want a gift? And
I'm like I want money and she's like I knew it,
Like she was so proud of herself. Did you even
think about doing the thing where it's like the honeymoon?
That's like for some I remember my brother's no offense

(12:02):
they had, like you could buy the dog stuff. It's
like no, no, no, no, no, like you could give
money to the dog or I think the only if
you're like super rich and care about the world and
you want people to make donations whatever. But to be
like by us para sailing, that is embarrassing to me.
I kind of agree, but I'll just do whatever they want.
I'm just like, let me, let me make it easy,

(12:23):
let me hit a couple of buttons. Yeah, steer on
track here, Anthony. You're here because you're here to discuss
your topic. Is the greatest beefs now? Is there a
reason why you picked the greatest piece? Because we gave
you options, you give me two. Even this one just
seems very very on brand, And I help you take
that as a compliment. Um, yes, I mean it's not

(12:45):
definitely not an insult. Um. And I just had like
two things popped into my head, like Megan texted me
the two options. It was beefs and I figured out
the other one duos, and I was like, I don't
know that much about sports, but I do enjoy I mean,
I follow it, but I'm not like like Megan has
that joke of like, I'm not I'm a fan. I'm
not autistic, like the greatest duos makes me think basketball,

(13:09):
and I don't know that much about basketball, but I love, uh,
like the NBA off field drama. So I was like,
of course, of course, yeah, they play on a court. Sorry, no,
but I think that back Anthony periods. It's quarters because

(13:30):
you're from Pittsburgh and so I think of you as
a Steelers fan and a Penguins fan and probably Pirates third. Yeah. Yeah,
I think I've nailed that in order. I do always
think about that. Your sister dated Penguin Penguin, but it
was like not like when that partied. No, he was
like the one guy. I would hear all these crazy

(13:51):
stories that she would tell me that they would tell her,
and I was like, well, I'm coming home, let's go
hang out, and he's like, no, my boyfriend doesn't drink
or with the team ever. Was he a big was
he a big star that named I think I can
say his name. His name is Marty Sonenberg. He was
a really nice guy and he was like a year
older than my sister, so it wasn't like inappropriate. And
she was an ice skating teacher where the Penguins practice,

(14:13):
and like Yoger was trying to like get it take
her out, and it was like that's not happening. But
but Marty Sonenberg could come in. And he only played
for like a year or so and then was like, well,
you're graduating high school, come move with me back to
the family farm in Ottawa or wherever. And she was like, no,
no, no no, I'm going to college and I'm not doing that.

(14:33):
Ottawa is like best case scenario he could have been like,
it wasn't even Ottawa. It was like somewhere in Canada
that was like not someplace we've been Calgary, no offense. Um, alright,
so I have a I have a few beefs that
I've chosen. UM. C J and I have not shared
ours together. I don't know what you're picking. I tried

(14:55):
to tell you, and you like shut me down like
you don't want to at all. Well, I just I
like to save it for the pot. As they say,
I've heard the term seven for the pod like she
time I heard it, I was just like never again. Um,
so do you want to do? You want to lead
us off? How many do you have I brought into Okay? Awesome?

(15:15):
Then UM give us give us the one that you
think is in second place, second place in terms of
like the like the like, how famous the beef is,
or importance to you, significance. Um, the one that fascinates me.
I'll do the one that they I mean, they're both
kind of equal to me. But when I know less
about and I think you can help me with, So
I'll start with the one that I'm sure you guys

(15:37):
have no idea about. Doc Ellis was a picture for
the Pirates, most famous forth throwing a no no what
she claims on LST. Yes, great documentary about him. He's
no longer with us. But my favorite story about him
is that he once they were playing the Cincinnati Reds
in Cincinnati and he showed up at the ballpark and
security would not let him in for whatever reason. They

(15:58):
were just like, no, we don't believe you. And he
got so mad that when he pitched the next day.
He started off beinging every single red back. He hit
three in a row before they threw him out of
the game, like they realized what he was doing, and
Johnny Bench was coming up and we're not letting him
hit Johnny Bench and kicked him out. That I thought,

(16:18):
I've never heard of anything like this, of like a game.
Be damned, I'm gonna being every player on the team
because security didn't let me in. Then I thought that
was that was amazingly that's how do you know how
much longer he ended up playing after that game? I don't, John,
but it was like in the middle of and he
was playing during a time where it was like anything
goes type of type of deal that he was a

(16:39):
softened later in life, but during his playing days was
a monster, and like in the best way, not like
I heard recently that he was actually a very very
good guy, just had all of these wild things. There
was some sort I think it was high school. There
was um a player on the team who was racist
or was like doing racist things, and he doc else

(17:00):
was the best player, and he's like, if this guy's
on the team, I'm not playing. And so the guy
like got in line or they got him off. I
don't know specifics, but he was kind. And the LSD
story is so wild that yeah, they were at a
town and then he had to fly there. If you
haven't seen that, the I think it's called No No,
the Doc Ellis story. Definitely check it out. It's great

(17:21):
if you have a name like Doc, you've lived you know,
like that's like a good yeah, Megan. Also, because we're
watching a bunch of Clippers games now, whenever Doc Rivers,
you know Doc Rivers Anthony, I'm not. I don't know.
This is another guy who I think she'll leave me
for his Doc Rivers. Well, I so I did a

(17:42):
show recently just uh, it wasn't Illuminati. It was just
a golf tournament. But that's the vibes that had. And
Doc Rivers was there. He performed quote unquote right before me.
I was the only comedian and the only woman there,
and I like said on stage, like I love you,
I would I would leave my fiance honestly, the other

(18:03):
dirty crowd work. You know, you can't you can't be
mad about that status a little bit and c J
was like, do you think Doc would remember you if
you saw him? I'm like, oh, yeah, I made an impression.
You know, I think I lingered in Doc's mind. Um,
so my first one this is I'm thinking of this
one as sort of an honorable mention that just brought

(18:25):
me a lot of joy as a child and has
continued to. And I did look up at one point
list to make sure that other people thought this was
a beef and was valuable, because I didn't want to
be accused of being a total homer. Um. But this
is probably my favorite like feel good beef of all
time is Reggie Miller and Spike Lee. Yeah, that's a

(18:46):
great one. I don't see it as I don't see
that beef as like an unfriendly beef. I see it's
like celebrity versus like it was almost like good natured
in a way. But I do I'll consider that a uh.
I think it was like a beef for like a week.
Like I don't think it carried into the next season.
It was performative. It was like he is a performer,

(19:07):
Reggie as a performer. You know. I feel like early
on it may have been less romantic. I mean I
feel like through thirty for thirties. As of late, they
have made it a little bit more romantic. I think it. Yeah,
it was like competitive, competitively driven, um, but like people
in Indiana not to you know, shoot on your home please.
Do you know if you've seen that doc, it got racial.

(19:30):
It got like racial from the jump though, because we didn't. Yeah,
they wanted they wanted the white boy. Yeah, Steve Alfred,
they wanted him. I just think the Reggie Miller. And
maybe maybe this is I'm saying this out of ignorance,
but I would say if you were like, who was
one of the best trash talkers in the NBA of
all time? I would say I would just say Reggie

(19:51):
Miller right at the top of my head. I'm sure
there were people who were worse, but he just talked
so much. You know, Spike wants to run his mouth
on the sideline. I just think was like a like
a little bit of a dream team, you know. I
can't think of like like Nicholson was like was like heckling,
you know, it wouldn't have been as as cool a beef.
But Spike Lee versus Reggie Miller just like captured the

(20:13):
imagination and the racism of India. I think it could
honestly fall under Greatest duo too, because it was like, oh,
you wanted to see like if Spike wasn't there, you
were like, who's he gonna fight with Trump? You know,
like you wanted some New York funny person. But I
always think of it, like watching that documentary, I think
the duo would be Spike Lee and who's the nick

(20:37):
who like saved him in the next game. I'm not
start John Starks, John Starks, but that's yeah, yeah, who
got a check butt? But then in the next game
came and like if Starks hadn't had the game of
his life, the Pacers win that series and Spike Lee
is uh, Spike Lee's a pariah in New York. Yes,

(20:58):
I think people are goes back and forth that he's parioty,
like he has been distracting and whatnot. Now he's kind
of just like nobody. I don't even know if he
goes to the games as much. Well, I mean, he
won an Oscar, I wouldn't call him to nobody. Well,
I mean for the Knicks, which is insane. Again, Knicks
fans are insane because they're losing and they're just a
story by how it obsessed they are. And it's like

(21:19):
I don't care about the team. I'm just shocked at
how like expensive basketball tickets are. Like NBA was just
so expensive of your team is like like in the
in the preseason, they have no chance. Why would you
ever go see a game? Yeah? We we just got
done begging Megan's agency. I feel like I'm outing you

(21:39):
on so many times because I didn't want to pay
for it anymore. We wanted to go to the Christmas
Clippers Lakers game, and it's it's a thousand bucks to
be in the I did it a year a couple
of years ago. My brother was in town and I
was like, let's do something fun, and it was about
Lakers Clippers. I've I've been to an NBA game in
like fifteen twenty years almost. I went with my my
best friend, Greg was a big Celtics and we saw

(22:00):
Celtics Lakers. It was a great experience. And I went
with my brother and it was the same day. It
was Christmas Day. Both teams were pretty terrible. Clip was
a little better and they sat everyone and it was
like all families and it was right after the Steelers
had just beaten the Ravens and this like amazing game
to make the playoffs that we were just like so
pumped over that and then went to the game and
left in the third quarter and it was so expensive

(22:22):
and it was still just like I can't sit here
with all these families like Christmas Day games. I think
this year will be amazing, uh if if Kauai plays
um and everyone's healthy. But but I just I couldn't
stand it. I was like, I'll probably never go to
a basketball game again. Yeah. I think we're more so
going for the Instagram opportunities just taking pictures. I mean,
our friend is like, what is coming with us? So
when I emailed, I was like I need a wedding

(22:44):
present for c J. I need three tickets and it's
like who is that third person? Like, what is your
wedding present that includes another person? But you know what,
don't you thank you agents? I appreciate it. Do you
get me jobs? No? Do you get me tickets? Yes?
That's all that matters. I work a lot. You guys
do a great No. I was saying, no, you do

(23:04):
great work. I appreciate you. Okay jobs, say you've gotten
from me specifically versus your agents? Um? You know what
I would say over the last like three years. I
guess since I started opening for you, and those two
years I was opening for you, that was probably like
p of my income. And honestly, I remember when we

(23:28):
first started dating. She was you know, we had those conversations.
I'm sure all comedians do. It's just like I don't
know if I'm gonna work like consistently, like stuff pops
up here and there. I think when she started opening
for you, like she hasn't stopped working. So yeah, once
you filled that calendar, and once I got you that
Almand deal, yeah you got it, was like, guy's the limit.

(23:50):
And then I decided yesterday so I'm actually no longer
the almond person. There's a new commercial and I decided
yesterday that my character in the commercial died, and that's
why I have not carried on. We can shoot those,
we can shoot those as like posts you think Blue
Diamond Almond will be mad and they've been so kind.
I don't know if I want to do that to that.
Did you have to give back your sash? When when

(24:12):
they got the new girl? Did they tell you or
do you just saw the new commercial? And I just
saw the commercial and people I haven't seen it. People
start texting me and my dad's like, there's a new guy.
I think we're watching football in a camp and she
like just stood up. Is it a guy or is
it okay? So it's different. So maybe it's your husband, Yeah,
it's it's a it's a black man. Maybe you're in

(24:32):
the blue Diamond universe, yes, the shared universe. I mean,
I just think white women are already buying blue Diamond almonds,
So it's time for a black man to you know,
put it out to his own reach across the aisle.
Um c J, what is your first pick? Um? Mine?
Is Lebron and Delonte West? You guys familiar with those two? Yes,

(24:55):
of course Lebron Delonte West. I know the name, but
I'm not familiar with the In the I believe two
thou nine playoffs, the Calves were supposed to go all
the way. It was like, you know, they just had
to get to the East whatever and they'll be in
the finals. They lost his Celtics, and the rumor was
that and it's been confirmed I think by some insiders
that I know that Delonte West was sleeping with Lebron's mom.

(25:16):
And there is a twenty and uh you know, uh,
Gloria is older. And the thing is, like, I I know,
Lebron is is the greatest, He's he's my favorite, you know,
and um, I can't argue with that. But the things
that I stood in his way are his teammates sleeping

(25:37):
with his mother. Um, he wasn't a Celtic, this guy,
and he was kind of this unhinged guy who you know,
he's like a scrappy point guard who when you found
out that it was Delonte was, You're like, of course,
of course it was Delonte West, the one guy who
doesn't listen to Lebron, doesn't care who he is. Um,
And that rumor came out that summer, and I've talked

(25:58):
to Cleveland fans, have talked to people like who work
have worked for for Lebron. They're like, yeah, it was
a mess. It was a mess. And this is like
was true because it was in which I had learned
like five years after the fact that it was confirmed.
And then there's been stories. This is really sad, as
like d'lante West has been like seen, you know, working
like part time jobs at like retail stores, are like

(26:19):
begging for money, and I'm like Jesus Christ, like it's
just messy. That's always terrible. But I cannot imagine being
like the guy on the team and one of your
coworkers sleeping with your mother. It's the wild. It's worse
than wife. I think it's worse than wife. Mother. Yeah,
it's really very very disrespectful. I mean I'd be mad

(26:42):
at my mom. Yeah, absolutely, I think it's It's like
a lot of these NBA players love their moms like
they're like row to yelling at him, and it's like
looking at my mom, Hey, remember where I came from
that type of like speech. These are like pretty much
as vital as coaches in game seeing your mom and
being like this is for you, mom. Now he's looking
as mom, like you slept with my awful as backup

(27:06):
favorite teammate And was it just like a one time thing?
It was like a ongoing of that. I can't I
can't confirm that. I like to imagine. You know, we've
all been out sixth Street in Cleveland. Isn't like these
six and Euclid we've all had. We've all been overserved him,
you know, slept with someone's mom we weren't supposed to

(27:27):
and then let it continue. There's not a lot going
on in clevelandt you know, like, I'm sure Gloria found
him and was like, the deeds already done, let's keep
it going. I mean he was immediately off a team
that was already like maybe this is true. Um, and yeah,
I mean, uh yeah, it's just messy um. And he
was very he hasn't been like publicly. Well that's why

(27:47):
I don't know if it's a beef. It's more so
just like, man, I hate this guy and um, that
is like a running joke. Yeah, and Delante has fallen
so far that he can't really be a beef once
you're like begging for change. It's like lebron One. You know,
there's no one. There's no one like well, if you
look at it from this point of view, you know,
Delante got the better of him. I'm sure it's always
awkward at family events, but you know, she gets invited

(28:09):
to Taco Tuesday. But yeah, that go ahead reminds me
of what was the one with um you would know
all about there was a Pacers one too. There's a
Tony Parker. No, there's a Steve Nash when the son's one.
Wasn't there a guy who got in a car to
drive to go fight. That was Matt bar And I

(28:33):
heard this story recently. Matt Barnes was telling the story
on radio and he said they were together. They had
two kids. Matt Barnes and what does he think her name?
Maybe Glory too? But she was on Basketball Wives, which
is a show that was created by Shack's wife after
they got divorced, because she was mad atops just Basketball Wives.

(28:54):
Nor was his wife name who can um? And so
they were in the car. She had gone into a
store to get the kids food. The two kids are
in the car and her bluetooth was connected to the car,
and so text messages started being read in real time,
like I can't wait to see you baby, And he

(29:15):
said he could hear Derek Fisher's Like he said he
heard it and was Derek Fisher. I think it was
a phone call. You know when you get a phone
call and like within a certain range it still works.
And so like his twins were in the back watching
cartoons on there, you know whatever, like head rest TVs.
And then he's sitting there waiting for his wife and
he hears Derek Fisher, I got here. I think they

(29:37):
were on the Lakers together regardless like they are. Yeah,
he's hearing it unfold and he and then he ended
up driving ninety miles is what that Kanye song is about.
That's so funny because I always new, like, don't leave
your phone out in front of the yard significant other,
because like things could bad things can happen. But it
never occurred to me that you could just be like
get out of the car. Yeah, and you get back

(29:57):
in the car and they're like, but I know everything
the hot mic, like when you go to the bathroom,
like none of us have learned, you know, we haven't.
The man who did it, who killed all of his wives,
are like I still talk it on constantly. Will be
like someone like cover up there like the mic and
like talk and I'm like, why are you doing that?

(30:18):
Because everyone's listening. I'm like, what, like we don't care
about this, like this petty stuff we're talking about, but
they all do know they do. I'm gonna there's gonna
be a show of me someday, god willing, if it's
just subtitles of me being like I don't know why
she's thinking such a bitch today. That's all I do.
And I like that Okay, we're gonna take a quick
break and we'll be right back after these messages from

(30:40):
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here we are. And I have so I shared my
I shared my honorable mention, and now I have um

(31:02):
two that I'm almost positive you guys are not going
to have because we're skipping me the second round. Like,
I don't get because you have too and you have
one left and I have two left. So I thought,
maybe I do mind. You really have to get three
years that what you're saying, Well, yeah, I just have
extra ones. So I'm gonna say this and then and
then you'll be like the headliner. Okay, does that make sense?

(31:23):
I mean it makes sense that you're a bad host.
Of course that makes sense. You're you're hosting my show tonight. Though,
Yeah I am, okay, I mean am I I've you've
watched me host. It's I don't know, it's bad, it's unique.
I don't ever seen your host. I've but like, but
we've done to people. Do we ever do a two

(31:44):
person show at like a club? No? No, no, it's
you know when we talk about so I'll be like,
well they were opening for us, and I'm like they
were opening for Antha. I don't know why I'm adding
myself into that. Um, okay, so my have really torn. Okay,
I know which one I'm gonna do. Uh So this
one I just think has lasting ramifications and really honestly

(32:12):
like altered the course of someone's life. And that is
Pete Rose versus all of Major League Baseball? Do you
consider it all of Major League Baseball? Or versus the commissioner?
But it's it was like four I guess it was
three different commissioners that were like not what happened was
My understanding is the commissioner who banned him was beloved

(32:35):
like a beloved commissioner, and then died right after a
banned him. So when Bud Selig Celia came in was
the next one. Celia couldn't reverse it because it was like,
you can't, like if the president got assassinated, they wouldn't.
They couldn't like go and undo the last thing he did.
It's like too disrespectful that Rose was just screwed. I
thought Baseball I've always like kind of taken the opinion

(32:58):
like a Tony Kornerheiser of like you belong in the
Hall of Fame. I think put put an asterix on
the plaque if you need to, but you should be
and I think a lot of people felt that way
up until he was like, I'm coming clean about this.
I did run on Baseball by the way, by my book,
and everyone saw through it, and it was it was vicious,
but like the Baseball hate him. Well, So the agreement

(33:19):
that I knew, they were like, you are done, and
there was a commissioner that was leaving, and it may
have been that one. And the agreement that they came
to was tell us what happened, and we won't tell anybody,
but you need to tell us for the sake of
like trying to prevent this and how you did it
and going forward. And Baseball did keep that promise to him,

(33:40):
but in exchange for that like secrecy, they were like,
you're never going to be in the Hall of Fame
unless somebody comes in and reverses it. But we know
that they're not going to do that. So he sort
of outed himself in the same way that you're saying,
like he was like, here's all my secrets, by my book,
and it's like, Pete, we didn't need to know, but
also I don't. I'm not a professional athlete. I just

(34:03):
don't know if it's that bad what he did. And
I know that's terrible to say. I don't think you
bet your own team, but it's like you can't bet
on your own game, like that's that's just like you
just you cannot do that, and betting on baseball it's
a slippery slope. When what I heard it was like
he loved the Gable on everything, but he lost on

(34:23):
everything except baseball. Like he just knew baseball, but you
can't be a manager into it. He could have retired
and then bet on baseball all he wanted, but he
thought he could have it both ways. But you want
to see that guy in the Hall of Fame, like
you're telling me Ty Cobb was a better person than
Pete Rose, Like I just don't. I don't believe it.
But the way Pete Rose handled it was a terrible

(34:44):
Like I used to like it when he would show
up at the Hall of Fame and signed baseballs for people,
and now it just seems I don't know if he
still does it. I know what he's doing now. We
the last thing I worked on, we tried to get him,
and he at one of the Vegas casinos. He sits
and signs things all day, and they told us his
rate because they were like, you're going to have to

(35:04):
match or surpass this rate. And I was like, wow,
that's like good money daily and they were like, yeah,
that's because he's like indebted to the casino. And so
so I saw my mom moved to Vegas and I
was just like walking around Caesar's Mall and I saw him,
was like, well, it's kind of cool, like Pete Rose
is like, you know, I haven't seen that many famous athletes.
And then two years later I went back and I

(35:26):
saw him at the same place, sitting there, Pete Rose
signing autographs here, and so it's just like he's check,
he's like doing a shift and that's just like a man,
what a fall from grace for an incredible baseball player.
I think. I think the beef that I am acknowledging
is that he is not going to be in the
Hall of Fame and is obviously one of the greatest
baseball players of all time. I think he will get in.

(35:48):
I think that they will have to do something about
the steroid era. I think you can't keep Barry Bonds out,
you can't keep Clemens out forever. And then once that happens,
I think Pete Rose will. I think they'll just have
a wing of like the like disgrace players. I think
you want to see him. No one's at Cooper's Town
being like, I'm glad there's nothing here about Pete Rose.
No one. I think there are. But I think they're

(36:09):
going to die very soon because baseball is definitely the
one that the visitors to the Hall I want to
see one to see. I'd like to see some like
some MGM slips, you know, let's get let's get some.
I think guys who sucked who also took steroids need
to come out and be like, hey, it wasn't just
the steroids, it was the player, you know, like maybe

(36:33):
they need to add some significance to these guys name
that they just because I think McGuire hit those home runs,
also because he's a very talented baseball player. Of course,
steroids don't make you better at hitting the baseball, and
I think it helps you heal better, and I think
it was more of recovery than and being able to
last a long season. But if you're if the picture
is on steroids, is on h g H, and you're
on h H. Like then it's an even playing juice.

(36:55):
You don't put an asterix on that season because there
were way more home runs, Like it's it's fair for everyone.
I don't I don't see the I don't see the
huge deal. And of course, you know, Baseball encouraged it
until he didn't. I didn't see that. I don't see
that as a beef. I think you're wrong. Well, I
think Pete would be happy that I took this up
on his behalf. I think we're all propeed here. But

(37:18):
it reminds me that quote of Mickey Mantle, like the
saddest quote ever of like his like nightmare would be
like dying going to heaven and God being like, hey, sorry,
we can't let you in here, but before you go,
would you sign these baseballs? Oh God? And that was
like that's how much he hated signing autographs. Did you
see like a Mickey Manto signed baseball? I just make
it just like why would you want to own that?

(37:38):
Like why would you want a piece of Mickey Manto's agony?
Like he's my dad's favorite player, but I would never
get him a Mickey Mantill sign something, because it's just like, yes,
it took his life away. There's sometimes you see people
post like selfies that they've taken with Mega Mega Mega
stars and the famous people look angry at them, and
it's like, is that a good photo joke? Him? Know?

(38:00):
It was the bet he would always just be like
one eye closed, just like yeah, like in an airport.
I always loved those. Well, I was at the airport.
This is an hour ago. I saw a metal World
peace and we're at the uber lift shuttle area and
so it's just like I'm saying, it was the anniversary
of Malice at the Palace yesterday, and I'm seeing the
guy who was instrumental in that, and he is frustrated.

(38:21):
He's frustrated for the very same reason that we all are,
but he's still like holding it together and I'm like
that management work. And obviously he's one of the greatest
pacers ever. And I'm texting Megan, She's like, are you
gonna go over to him? Like, no, not gonna bother him. Yeah,
it's funny. Speaking of the Malice and the Palace, someone

(38:42):
was showing someone Patrick Keene sent me a clip because
We did a bit on my TV show Good Talk,
our TV show Good Talk you Uh, called is this
a real Turtle or Turtle from Montage And there's a
clip in the Mauice the Palace where a guy who
looks exactly like Turtle gets that that. We were for
a while we were like, Okay, he's in the front row,

(39:03):
so that could be Turtle, Like the Entourage was on
what like had started while this happened. But there's no way.
But there's no way that that he was in Indiana. No,
you learn and you would have heard about it would
have been like watch total gets smacked in the face.
You learn any short Italian like chubby dude with a
jersey on and looks like Turtle. Yeah, but it really

(39:24):
does look like Turtle. Like that was like a viral
video or caption that was going around yesterday. Um so
watch that. It's yeah. I love watching that because it's
one of those things where every time you watch it,
you you look at a different part of the screen
and you see a different you know, pocket fighting or
like children, You're like thinking about what the rest of
that kid's life is like now that he saw his hearing.

(39:45):
It's like a Renaissance pain. Yeah, it's an incredible I
thought about putting our test versus the Pistons on here,
and then I was like, that was a very short beef.
He sort of he won, and it wasn't a bunch
of the pistons. I mean that fan doesn't throw that
beer when he's on the table. None of that happened.
The Pacers maybe win the title that year. Uh c J,

(40:06):
do you have another one? Yeah? Um. I picked up
Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya harding Um for the Sheer. I mean,
it's just incredible how much it captured America in pop culture,
to the point where Nancy Kerrigan I remember, hosted SNL
and the monologue bit where it was just like people
you know, sort of kind of like the in the

(40:27):
crowd like Heckler sketch, they're using that structure. And then
it was the people who uh Farley was like impersonating
like the big bodyguard who like put the hit on her,
and it's just like she's probably hosting SNL because this
story got so big. And then later years later we
have a comedic take on it with Marto Robbie's movie,

(40:48):
and I'm just like, this is a beef that made
these people famous, and not ice skating, not the fact
that they were Olympians and they didn't even neither one
of them won that year. It's like it's I mean,
my sisters were figure skaters, one of them like an
excellent figure skater, the one who dated the hockey player.
So like my life, my childhood was around ice skating
a lot. Like We're in the car listening to my

(41:10):
sister's music and I'm like just furious. The smell of
an ice skating rink like makes me nauseous. Like hockey,
I love hockey, but but I just I hated it.
So when that happened, it was my whole world. Like
I usually you couldn't walk by a TV without my
family discussing it and everyone knowing all about it. And
I don't know if it's a beef in that after
watching the Margo Robbie movie that it seemed like she

(41:34):
didn't know about it and they were kind of rivals,
but it was like they were also friends and they
were just so different people kind of made them rivals.
And of course there's that attack, but I don't think
of it as like a beef so much, especially since
it wasn't like they were competing for the gold, you know. Uh,
Tanya kind of crapped out and Nancy got what third

(41:54):
or say one that year, I believe, and uh then
like turn fifteen and was no longer a Bible happen Um,
this was my number one. It was Nancy carragin An
Tania Harding And I agree with CJ, like it captured.

(42:16):
I remember as a child there were like news stories
that stand out. I remember o J. I remember the
bottle fucos and I remember this, and it just was
it transcended sports and it almost made them celebrities. It's
just insane and they got guys into but they never

(42:36):
took trash on each other. You know. It wasn't like
it was like they were just kind of like we
want to like because it's a very individual sport. It's like,
I'm just gonna go out and focus on my routine
and do my best. And Tony was of course denying
everything at the time that I don't see it as
a beef so much as a I mean, definitely a scandal,

(42:57):
but I don't know, I don't know about beef. So
maybe the beef you would say, is between Nancy Kerrigan
and Tanya's ex husband because he was the one who
did like I think I would like to imagine, especially
after seeing it Tania, which I think is a pretty
sympathetic um portrayal of Tanya Hardig. She had sympathetic that.

(43:21):
It was like it was like an insult to Nancy Carrigan, absolutely,
and like I left it being like, what did Nancy
think of that? Did not? Like no? And it's sometimes
this happens in true crime to like Cereal is a
good example of this, where it's like adding on, add on,
add on, and it's like a woman was murdered like that,
that's actually the core of the terrible thing that happened,

(43:43):
and and it had that kind of effect. I'm like,
I don't think the Carrigan's are into this movie. And
it made it so much about class, which I think
it was of like she's white trash and she's a
can like it was that's how they were pitted against
each other. But it did resolve in Tanya not being
able to ice skate, and that scene is like so

(44:04):
heartbreaking to watch her leaving this court and being like,
I'm banned from a sport. Very much in the same
way that Pete roses because of something and I wasn't
really even instrumental in making it happen. So maybe it's
like Tanya Harding versus like the IOC Tanya versus the
world that was the point of the movie. I guess,

(44:27):
I guess. I mean, and now she's boxing. I like,
if she was gonna be she boxed. She boxed like
once or twice. She was one of the first people
to get in the ring. But I don't think she
like she didn't make a career out of it. She
wasn't like no, no, no no. But I think if
she was going to be doing like a meet and
greet and it was like five minutes from my house,

(44:48):
I would go. If it was ten I don't think
I would, but if I could walk there, I would
be there. The movie made me like her. It did
not make me want to meet her. You know, I'm
not like, oh wow, I wouldn't know what to say, well,
because what would you say. I would be like listen, Tanya,
and I'm more of a Nancy unfortunately, um, but I
do feel for you and I'm on your side, Like

(45:10):
I'd rather meet Tanya's mom. Yeah, another hang with her.
She seemed she seemed like she had it together. Also
a oscar winning movie. Yeah, I think Alison Janny won
an Oscar for that. It's just funny to be an
abusive mother, abusive like white trash cigarette smoking mother and
also be super into figure skating. You know, it just

(45:31):
it just didn't it didn't seem to to add up.
They just live next to a rink, like how did
you how are you such a bad mom? And then
also commit like my sister had to get up at
like five in the morning and get driven to the
rink hours. Oh yeah, my parents used to drive. My
dad would drive to Cleveland from Pittsburgh to get her
skates sharpened because they were like, this is the guy who,

(45:54):
like you don't want to do it at the rink,
like this guy is one of the best. And it was.
It was insane. And the money, the money's bent was
like things that like that you would like do like
make a circle on the ice to practice with we
had that was like what is this but it's insanely expensive.
Were you the Tanya's mom in your sister's life? No,
I was probably I was probably the Jeff glu Like

(46:18):
I used to play hockey and then my my sister
was like excelling at ice skating. And then there was
one time that they would take us to free skates
and just be like kids, go skate for hours, and
my sister and I raced and I just barely beat her.
That I was like, I'm taking these skates off, like
I don't play hockey anymore. Lacrosse is my sport. You have,
you have figure skating. Okay, we're gonna take one last

(46:41):
quick break and then we'll be back with c J
and Anthony's number one greatest beef and we are back.
So c J and I are in agreements that Nancy
Carrigan Antonia Harding is a beef and I feel like

(47:03):
that was maybe my number one in terms of significance.
But this one I wanted to bring back up because
now that the Lakers are good again, like the everyone
keeps bringing back Kobe up, like you just keep talking
about it. But one of these stories that I heard
back in the day was how Kobe treated this guy,
Smush Parker. Do you guys ever hear about this Smudge
Parker only played in the league, I think three years,

(47:25):
but his first two years were on the Lakers and
he was a fan of Kobe, and he was talking
to Kobe, and Kobe said to him in practice, don't
talk to me. You're not good enough at basketball to
talk to me. So then he spent another year on there,
and his minutes significantly went down. And the thing is,
he was like a great college player, a legend. And
then I saw him recently reffing a game at West

(47:49):
for Street in New York, and I was like, I
think that's Smush Parker and then at the court at
the courts outside and I was like, I don't know
if that was I kept walking. And then a story
just came out last week that he is going to
REF school, which I think is great. Love that, but
it's like, man, Kobe must have ended so many people's careers.
I mean, that's why I kind of loved him, and
like he tried to have that kind of like redemption

(48:10):
tour where you like I would see these articles about
like this trainer talked about the one time like Kobe
like made him a sandwich, like that Onion article where
it was like Kobe tears up remembering all the times
like his teammates made mistakes, you know, like, uh that
I love Kobe. He is like, it's I don't I
don't like Kobe for you know, sort of ingrained reasons

(48:32):
that I that I can't separate from. But I do
find him to be very attractive, and I find like
his way about him is so visually he's so charming.
Like when he even was walking up to get that Oscar,
I was like, that's a movie star. Like that's like
he's just like a there is like a cool vibe
about him. I feel like like when you ever hear

(48:53):
like a story about Michael Jordan, you're like, God, damn,
Jordan was a musshole like that if if Kobe, if
they like switched era, you know, Kobe was just Kobe
was like a Jordan who talked more, you know, who
just didn't have the filter that you knew more about
Kobe that if you had really known about Michael Jordan's
I don't think he would have been nearly popular. He
just knew to be like, be silent and sell as

(49:13):
many Haines as you can, because that's like that's what
you're good at. That little that smile is fake, and
that's why they were so successful. They're also pre Twitter,
pre social media, totally and it's like that puts such
a pressure on athletes because it's like I tweet and
the same things all the time, not like you know,
that's just a lot. And it's like Kobe would have
said wild things and I just I mean it would

(49:36):
have been I never watched those like where Kobe breaks
down like a players on the ESPN Plus or something.
I've never watching. It is good, it's pretty good. Interesting, Yeah,
I mean, is he just like breaks down. It's him
as an analyst, and he knows way more about the
game than most of these analyst who's never you know,
stepped on the court. Like it just like highlights the player,
and like if you notice it, it's stuff you'll never
never doesn't make you like Kobe, Like Peyton's place, You're

(49:59):
like pay doing this to be likable, whereas this just
Kobe still being like black mom, but adds to his
his legend for sure that he was the smartest and
most talented basketball player ever. God um so, but you
think Kobe's greatest beef was between Smush, I mean good,
it was probably, yeah, I guess him and shock the

(50:22):
fact that Shack literally did a rap on camera asking
Kobe how his ass takes is so unbelievable to me,
Like I've never gotten over it. Like I just couldn't
believe that someone of shack stature, who's like in every
commercial it's a lovable guy ever like said that in

(50:45):
like a wrap he made up and then people moved
on with their life. Someone on Twitter said that Shack
is our Krusty the Clown, and I've never heard a
more perfect parallel. Like you think about there's every every
new Simpsons episode, it's Krusty with a new product, and
that is shock. Oh yeah. Someone said that Shack has
an overall deal where he has to do whatever product

(51:05):
that is under that deal. So it's like, hey, chopin set,
we don't even know what it is, and he has
to do a commercial for it. I would believe it.
I mean, there's no way he's friends with the general
love that's the one I believe. But he's somebody don't
judge in commercials. He looks he looks like he's having
a blast and just wandering around sets and just being
like hey gold Bond medicaid about it. You know, he
truly doesn't care. He's like citizens arrest and You're like what,

(51:27):
I just love I just love Shack now like every year.
And this could even be a like a minor beef
of like whenever like Barkley like like steps out of
bounds on Shack, Yeah, and I'll be like, Shack, you
and you're not a good fighter, and you just see
Shack like kind of implode inside. Uh. That I love
Whenever those who go at it, did they wrestle recently
or they boxing they wrestled, I think like my Shack

(51:49):
tripped on his mic pack or something. I mean that
that's a great That show is incredible because you get
no basketball analysis. You just get these old dudes like
just trying to talk to each other. It's it's awesome.
I don't even think watching the games, yeah, I would like, honestly,
I would. I enjoy watching that more than I enjoy
watching the actual games, watching them talk in between. Because
the NBA, unlike any other sports, you're allowed to criticize,

(52:11):
to be like these guys like this guy stinks he
should never be in the NBA, and like no one
gets mad about it, are you wan? Shack? Like Bully
the guy for like three or four years until Shack's
mom was like stopped doing this to him. Who was
the guy he kept doing that. It was when you
would do shocked in a fool and eventually like well,

(52:35):
like yeah, you're bullying me. Like this is like on
the network that we play who did you bully? Last year?
Who did he you? You? Jerry, Jared Dudley and Jared Well,
he said he doesn't belong on a team. Well, and
now he belongs on my favorite team. You were shocked
in a fool, Anthony. I gotta feel like I've got

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the best beef these ones that have been brought up.
This is the final beat is We've got pretty passionate
about ready for you. Because the secrecy around this beef
is what's fascinating to me that I didn't really know
about it until I think that like that Bad Boys documentary.
But like when I was a kid, I remember the
Dream Team, right, the greatest basketball team of all time?

(53:18):
I oh, and I remember the McDonald's cups. You know,
I don't And I don't remember Larry Bird being injured.
I remember like everyone just being like superstars. Of course,
the Charles Barkley dunk over. The guy I assumed Isaiah
Thomas was on that team. So my beef is Isaiah
Thomas versus and I'll make it the entire dream team
because it's clearly about Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson hated Isaiah Thomas.

(53:42):
They were great friends. And then when Magic came out
with as HIV positive, uh and I did. I did
not remember this interview at the time, but it just
in in the locker room is like I don't know
anyone straight who's gotten it. And not only did Magic
cut him out, Jordan he wasn't gonna play yeah, and
it was like team of Jordan has been like we're

(54:03):
getting Isaiah when he was like we're keeping Isaiah off
this team, and everyone else went along with it. No one,
no one on that team had Isaiah's back at all.
That I think that's the most fascinating beef is that
like did they ever talk about it, Like did they
ever like in Isaiah must haunt Isaiah to this day
that he was not on that I think it. I
think it changed his trajectory, like he's not even on

(54:26):
like the best basketball panels anymore. And I think it's
because he got pushed down and it hasn't recovered. I
think that Knicks his time with the Knicks and that
lawsuit that they insanely did not settle a lot. All
the details come out and that hurt him coach and
then having to be like a coach of of a
women's basketball team after that, You're like, this is insane.
He worked for the Pacers at once. I honestly cannot

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remember if he was GM or coach because I and
he was so bad and everyone hated him. But then
when I watched that, I watched The Bad Boys recently,
and I think i'd seen it, and then I like
refreshed it, and it's all it's a sympathetic portrayal of him,
Like you see them as like a team, and it's like, oh,
I guess everyone was so mean to him and mean

(55:08):
to them and hated them, and he was sort of
the face of it all. But they bring up and
they harp on when they walked off the court and
with like seven seconds left and didn't shake the bulls hands,
And it's like it seemed like even before that, Jordan
was like men funk with you. Yeah, but I think
that I think one of Isaiah Thomas had that baby
face that everyone wanted to love him, you know what

(55:29):
I mean. It's not like no one complains about Charles Oakley.
You know, it's like but but it was like it
was like a nightmare two people. But I just think
it's so fascinating that like the greatest players in the
world would cut out one of the other greatest players
and never talk about it. And because imagine now if
that would happened, like someone be on Twitter, like people
would break the story of like this is why Isaiah

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Thomas not on that team, Like this is what happened,
and get into detail, and I hopefully one day they
really break it down because it's fascinating to me. Well,
part of it too, is that Isaia's from Chicago, and
his whole entire upbringing was like this is a Chicago kid,
done good. And then Jordan came and he's Chicago even
though he was born in Brooklyn, moved North Carolina, Like

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that's Chicago, and Isaiah Thomas like what about me? I
won championships before Jordan's. I stopped Jordan from winning eight
champions Like it's it's crazy, and so like this is
a thing that's just probably just lingering in his head
probably to this day. Yeah, yeah, the Chicago thing really
really messed up as well it should Like I would
be annoyed. It was like, this is my hometown and now,
like when Kobe gets booed in Philly, you know, it's like,

(56:32):
I'm a hometown boy. Why are you Why do you
hate me so much? I'm a striving Chris. I forgot
he said that thing about well, he says he didn't
say it. He when they like show it back, Dennis
Rodman said if Bird was white, if Bird was black,
the one he would just be like another good player.
And then Isaiah sort of co signed it, like he

(56:53):
did do a pretty effective job of insulting every single
legend that was at that time. Yeah, but that was
so far before the dream Team thing, and Birds clearly
didn't care. I mean, he was so wrong about it
that like that no one had either one of their backs, uh,
and I love the thing was like in that documentary

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talked about it. They were like, listen, it's probably the
first time in Dennis Robin's life he's gotten tuned up
by a white So he was like he was in
his feelings about it. Robin was like basically a child
at the time. But Isaiah should have known. I mean,
he had his teammates back, like they said it was
a net positive for the team even though he had
to go. But his apology when he sits down next
to Bird and instead of if he would be like,

(57:35):
this is the baddest white boy to ever play the game.
I apologize. I have a good night, but like to
sit there and like if you listen, see that you
listened to that, that's me kind of smirk at the
smirk like that. It was just it was like he
was just drowning Isaiah just he can't get out of
his own way. But Bird, I don't. I don't think
he had the poll on that team, on the dream team,

(57:56):
the way that Jordan's and Magic and Magic was almost
aremonial on that team. I mean, he played well, but
he wasn't like one of the main guys. But he
must have been so beloved by everyone to completely cut out,
completely cut out Isaiah. Were any Pistons on that dream team?
I feel like Dumars was, which is insane. Yeah, I

(58:17):
think you're right. He's either on that one or the
second one that was like two or four years because
they do. Yeah, Dumars was on a dream team that
Magic and Isaiah are good now, right, I don't think
so there was something where they had kissed before a game,
didn't they do that? Was like, yeah, they may have
done a sitdown. But that's a great thing about Jordan

(58:38):
is he he has Like a lot of these players
will go on these tours just to be relevant again
and they will apologize just to make headlines. Jordan has
done that with nobody. He's almost he didn't he like
unfriended Charles Barker, which is funny, and those guys were
super tough. It wasn't like a good owner. He was like,
he's like, we're done. Uh that Jordan's And I don't
know how much of it is like thing where they

(59:00):
were saying that he's like a Jordan's Steph curR is
not a hall of Famer that they said if if
he had said Steph curR is a Hall of Famer
right now, he would have gotten fine for tampering. Interesting
And I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that.
I've heard that you can't compliment when you're an owner, no,
because it's like you're trying to woo the guy. Uh,
Like like when they were like, oh, I'd love to

(59:21):
have you know, the Greek freak on my team, and
they're like, yeah, you can't say that. Yeah, but we would,
but who wouldn't, Like that's insane. It's like we'd love
to win every game this season. You know it's a
competitive league. But yeah, that that's always uh, that's always
been just because I've never seen such secrecy around something. Yeah,
I I honestly did not realize that he was not

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on that team, which almost makes me feel worse for
Isaiah that none of us even realized, Like we didn't
even think about him. And that's not even like a
major point of that team. It's always just like they're amazing.
They were the greatest like Olympic team of all time,
and we don't never even like knowledge him. There was
a video when I was a kid that me and
my friends watched a million times where it was like

(01:00:04):
it was like music videos for each different player. You know.
It was like Charles Barkley had I'm not sure what
it was called, but like Charles Barkley had like like
I Need a Hero or like and it was like
pumped up so all their highlights that those people just
seemed like almost like the Avengers, you know that it
was of course they would all be on the dream
that was the dream Team to me that it's tough
to separate them, you know, being like Superman isn't on

(01:00:27):
the Avengers. It's like, no, it's a different comic book world.
I asked, I Wonder Woman was coming? What what did
we see coming? Uh? We saw Avengers and she was like,
I go, where's wonder Woman And he's like, well that's
not and I'm like what Then? I came because I
thought Wonder Woman was going to be in this ship.
Just bring her here like an audience member in the
comedy show, being like, you're being offensive and it's like, hey,

(01:00:48):
watch the trailer police movie. I just the thing is,
it's all made up. Anyways. Just throw me a wonder Woman.
Well I try to explain to her the Spiderman issues.
Well that's that was just like that it stops. All right,
Well I feel like we've solved it. Yeah, I'm going
to now plug my podcast. The only reason I'm here.

(01:01:09):
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(01:01:29):
they can watch your specials on Netflix. The show two
specials on Netflix, A Good Talk. I've already gotten time
it airs. It'll be fine. This must be a press
release this week. It's going to come out right after Thanksgiving.
Good Talk Season two well premiere spring. Yeah, and I
legitimately we we watched it. Um and I really love

(01:01:50):
that show. It's like as a and I get yelled
at for this constantly in our house. I'm just like
a comedy dork like just and I love the a
you talk to these comedians and like you know, pull
back or like archid Ball is footage and it's great.
It's just like people who are addicted to stand up.
This is a great show for you guys. You're basically
the target demo, like someone who is just like knows

(01:02:12):
enough about comedy that you get the inside baseball stuff
but also can enjoy watching two comics go back and forth.
It will be interesting to see who we get for
season two and uh, if there will be a season three,
if there will be a Comedy Central year. I thought
of I thought of a new segment last night for
season two. And then I was like, I wonder if
that would be too mean, and then I was like, no,

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