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June 11, 2025 • 38 mins

In this episode, we look at the sprawling career and casework of Gloria Allred. She’s an icon who’s been involved in so many major legal cases, OJ, Bill Cosby, the fight for gay marriage, priest abuse cases and AIDS discrimination. She’s seen it all. She’s been practicing law for nearly fifty years, and in that time she’s been a hero, a villain, and everything in between. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Diversion audio.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A note this episode contains mature content and descriptions of
sexual violence that may be disturbing for some listeners. Please
take care and listening. It was a warm spring morning
in nineteen eighty five, Ronda da Costa read a copy

(00:32):
of the Pasadena Star News and she was furious. A
year earlier, Ronda used sex work to support herself and
her young child. A man named Daniel Zebuski picked her
up and she agreed to have oral sex with him
for thirty dollars. Instead, he raped, sodomized, and robbed her.

(00:59):
Many people people don't report it after something like that happens.
Some are too traumatized to even tell someone close to them,
let alone speak about it in front of a whole
court room full of strangers. But Ronda knew that she
deserved justice. Then the judge who was supposed to preside

(01:20):
over her trial decided it wasn't worth his time. He
dismissed the case, saying that the court was not responsible
for resolving quote the contractual dispute between a whore and
her trick. Then he actually apologized to the jury for

(01:40):
wasting their time, as if all that wasn't bad enough
He then gave an interview with a local paper that
made his views on the case even clearer. This is
a quote. The law was set up to protect good people, you,
my wife, my daughters, my granddaughters. It doesn't protect a

(02:04):
street walking prostitute from a contract gone awry. This case
shouldn't have been filed. A whore is a whore is
a whore. I don't know about you, but a statement
like this one is what would keep me from reporting
an assault to family. The unstated policy that a victim

(02:25):
has to have not deserved it to get justice, that
would give me pause about whether the case should be filed,
even though, to use the judge's own verbiage against him,
a crime is a crime is a crime, which is
part of the reason why our judicial system is broken. Anyway,

(02:46):
Rhonda must have known that there were people in the
American criminal justice system who didn't respect the rights of
sex workers, but seeing it in writing on written record
like that must have been shocking. Ronda needed someone to

(03:09):
fight for her, to prove to the world that sex
workers had the same rights as anybody else, and eventually
she did find someone to make that case. Ronda found
Gloria Allred Welcome to the greatest true crime stories ever told.

(03:47):
I'm Mary Kay mcbraer. Today's episode, we're calling Gloria Allred,
sexual assault survivor turned powerhouse attorney. The press loves to
paint a picture of Gloria all Read as a flinty
female lawyer standing in front of a bank of cameras
pretending to care about her client's crocodile tears. But the

(04:09):
real Gloria is obviously much more complicated. She's an icon
who's been involved in so many major legal cases oj
Bill Cosby, the fight for gay marriage, priest abuse cases,
and AIDS discrimination. She's seen it all. She's been practicing
law for nearly fifty years, and in that time she's

(04:31):
been a hero, a villain, and everything in between. More
after the break. It's common to hear about how fame

(04:56):
corrupts people, makes them prioritize their image more than their humanity.
We often think of it in vanity metrics, how many
followers will you lose if you post a political pig?
But there are practical concerns too. Will your sponsors pull
their ads because they don't want to be associated with
the grim reality you need to share? And if so,

(05:20):
what does that look like in your everyday life, not
only with monetary concerns like can you afford your mortgage now?
But can you go out to eat with your kids
without getting harassed even if you are in the right. Basically,
if your persona affects the perception of you publicly, especially
on a big scale, then what you say matters, especially

(05:45):
because the public can turn so quickly from lauding someone
to canceling them. Gloria eventually went on to file a
civil suit against Ronda's attacker and an official complaint against
the judge who dropped her case. Sadly, Ronda died in

(06:08):
a car accident before she could go to trial. But
just getting the case filed was a big step in itself.
I mean, it shouldn't have been. It shouldn't be that
hard to prosecute a rapist just because of the profession
of the person whom he assaulted, But it was. These
are the kinds of cases that Gloria took on throughout
her career. Cases that are, as Gloria puts it, not

(06:32):
even about justice. Justice would be that they had never
been raped or abused or fired. There are cases that
shouldn't have been groundbreaking, but they were because we have
a long way to go. Let's go back to the beginning,
or rather Gloria's beginning, before she fought for women's rights

(07:04):
in the courtroom. Gloria Alread was Gloria Rachel Bloom, a
kid growing up in a working class Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia.
Her father was a door to door salesman and her
mother was a stay at home mom. Though the family
was poor, they seemed like they were genuinely happy. Gloria's
parents doated on her. Neither one of them ever made

(07:25):
it past the eighth grade, and they wanted their daughter
to have all the opportunities they never got. Gloria graduated
from an all girls high school with a partial scholarship
to the University of Pennsylvania. She seemed to be on
the right track for becoming a high powered, influential lawyer.
But then Gloria picked Peyton Bray. Peyton was the kind

(07:47):
of guy who seemed too good to be true, because
he usually is too good to be true. They met
in Gloria's first week of college and were married a
year later. She was pregnant by the age of night.
Gloria's carefully planned future was starting to veer off course.

(08:11):
Peyton entered the military after college, and then he dropped
out of boot camp after a bipolar episode. One evening,
while cooking, Peyton burned something on the stove, and he
threw the pan of hot food across the room. Gloria
must have told herself that this was just a one
time thing, that he wouldn't do it again, But then

(08:32):
he did again and again. In nineteen sixty two, the
pair divorced and Gloria moved back in with her parents.
She took a job at Gimbal Brothers department store, where
she worked long, difficult hours and made fifteen dollars less
per week than a man in the same position. Gloria's
first step towards getting out of that slump was to

(08:54):
go back to school. Twice a week, she commuted to
grad school in New York. She also took a job
teaching at a low income high school in Philadelphia. The
Gloria already who worked at Benjamin Franklin High was very
different from the outspoken force of nature we know today.
For one thing, she was a lot less political. In

(09:16):
one of her NYU classes, she remembers a professor asking
her if she ever thought about women's rights. Gloria asked,
what rights don't women have? In nineteen sixty six, Gloria
took a job at a low income school in East

(09:36):
la It wasn't much different than the job she had
in Philadelphia, but as she put it, I figured, if
I was going to be poor, then I'd be poor
where it was warm. Gloria was surprised and appalled by
the conditions of the schools and watts. She had students
in the eleventh grade who didn't know how to read.
But in spite of the overcrowding and underfunding, Gloria loved

(09:59):
being a teacher. She might have continued to teach if
not for the trip to Acapulco. Gloria was on vacation
with a friend when a doctor asked her out. The
man told Gloria that before they could go to dinner,

(10:20):
he needed to check on a patient in the hospital.
She waited for him at his clinic. Afterward, he said
he had one more stop at another patient's hotel who
had already checked out of the hospital, to make sure
they were recuperating all right. Again, Gloria followed along. When
they got to the hotel, there was no one in

(10:42):
the room. She turned around to ask the doctor what
was going on and saw that he had a gun
pointed at her. The man raped her. Gloria felt powerless.
She couldn't go to the police. Why would they believe
her over the word of a respected doctor. More importantly,
she didn't want to tell anyone. Something horrible happened, and

(11:04):
all she wanted to do was put it behind her.
In the documentary, seeing All Read, the interviewer asked Gloria
if the rape was the worst thing that ever happened
to her. Gloria smiles slightly and shakes her head. The
worst moment of her life came after when Gloria got
back to the United States, she discovered that she was pregnant.

(11:26):
This was seven years before Roe versus Wade, and in California,
abortion was still illegal, so Gloria got an abortion from
an unlicensed provider. When she started hemorrhaging after the procedure,
she called the man who performed the operation. He told her,
we did what you paid for. Were not responsible for

(11:49):
what happens afterwards. Back then, as opposed to now, women
weren't being penalized for getting abortions, only the people who
provided them were penalized, but Gloria didn't know that, so
she was afraid to seek care. It wasn't until she
had a one hundred and six degree fever and was

(12:09):
on the verge of bleeding to death that Gloria went
to a special ward for women who had botched abortions.
The doctors covered her in ice to bring down her fever.
A nurse looked down at her and said, this will
teach you a lesson. Gloria couldn't stop rape from happening,
but she could and would work all her life to

(12:31):
change the systems that punished its victims. More about that.
After the break, Gloria was still a single mom who

(12:53):
needed to make a living. She taught high school and
Watts for two more years. Then in nineteen six twenty eight,
she took a job as the first full time female
staffer for the Los Angeles Teachers Organization. Chicano parents and
students were fed up with the quality of education in
their schools. Mexican American students were experiencing a sixty percent

(13:18):
dropout rate, largely due to the racism they experienced from
school administrators. Some teachers banned students from speaking Spanish and
purposefully funneled Chicano students into vocational programs rather than encouraging
them to pursue further education. In March of nineteen sixty eight,

(13:38):
more than fifteen thousand students walked out of East LA
schools and protests. Gloria organized a teaching but perhaps most importantly,
she saw firsthand the profound impact that a well organized
protest can have. Eventually, Gloria made community protests a key

(13:58):
tool in her future playbook for winning cases. Gloria had
long been interested in becoming a lawyer. Back in Pennsylvania.
She even looked into law school, but the cost was
just too much. Now, her experiences as an educator and
organizer brought law school back up again, and in nineteen

(14:19):
sixty eight, she met someone who would solve her money problems.
For good William Alred was handsome and charming. Most importantly,
he saw Gloria for the strong, dynamic woman she was,

(14:40):
even when she couldn't see herself that way. They married
in nineteen sixty eight, and Bill encouraged her dream of
going to law school by paying for her education. He was,
by the way, a multi millionaire who owned an aircraft
parts manufacturing company. Gloria gradu duated from Loyola Law School

(15:02):
in nineteen seventy five. With two other lawyers and the
support of her adoring husband, she started her own law firm.
It was clear from the beginning that as a lawyer,
Gloria had two qualities that stood out. Her flare for
the dramatic in her sense of what was right. Gloria

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and her partners started out with criminal defense work, but
they quickly switched over to civil cases involving racial and
sexual discrimination. In the late seventies, Gloria started volunteering with
the National Organization for Women, and it was through them
that she held her first press conference. Governor Jerry Brown

(15:43):
made a campaign promise to appoint more women judges, but
he failed to follow through. Gloria read a prepared statement
for the cameras. A few weeks after the conference, Governor
Brown did appoint more female judges, and then when Gloria
hosted another conference several months later, he appointed more. The

(16:05):
lesson Gloria took from this was clear press conferences worked
for Gloria. These were good times. Her money problems were
a thing of the past. She had a happy marriage

(16:26):
with a supportive husband who believed in her, and she
was making a difference. Over the next decade, she had
impressive wins. She sued a drug store for separating toys
by gender. Then she sued a restaurant that had a
special unpriced menu for women eating with men, because obviously

(16:46):
the man would be paying. Next, she sued the sheriff
of Los Angeles County on behalf of women forced to
give birth in chains. Sorry listeners, As a first time
new mother, I need to die a tribe here real quick.
Imagine a mother who is actively in labor, shackled to
a bed so she doesn't run away. First of all,

(17:11):
anyone who's been pregnant knows that you can't run period. Dude.
Pregnancy is miserable, and if someone says it's not, they're
either straight up lying or their brain chemistry has tricked
them into forgetting that their pelvis was a jigsaw puzzle
and their lungs were compressed for weeks. Just to illustrate
for those who are not convinced that giving birth and

(17:31):
chains is preposterous, look, if you're in labor, well, first
of all, if you get any drugs, then you physically
cannot walk if you don't have any drugs. The moment
you try to stand, even if it's just to stagger
to the bathroom, you get a debilitating contraction. So the

(17:51):
idea of running away during labor is absurd. And if
you're thinking, but what about after the baby is born.
As a person who felt better immediately after giving birth,
I can still assure you no, your uterus is contracting
in a period cramp like never before because it was
just holding a violent little angel, and now it has

(18:12):
to contract back to the size of one ounce starting
right now, or you'll hemorrhage and potentially bleed to death.
So you're not running away then either. And I'm not
even addressing the instance that you could need surgical stitches
to prepare the damage to your vagina and rectum. You
might hover for a moment to transition from a bed

(18:33):
to a wheelchair, but you can't push it yourself, and
you definitely can't push the wheelchair you're in while holding
the newborn. And have you ever tried to run in
an adult diaper?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Fuck you. So, in conclusion, chaining a woman to the
childbirth bed is solely for fucked up optics. But thanks
to Gloria's nineteen eighty lawsuit, it won't happen anymore, at
least not in Los Angeles. All through the eighties, the
hits kept. Gloria testified at a hearing where a conservative

(19:03):
senator proposed banning abortion and putting limits on birth control.
She ended her testimony by presenting him with a black
leather chastity belt. She represented a lesbian couple who were
sent away from a restaurant for sitting in a booth
reserved for romantic couples, and a man kicked out of
a nail salon after the receptionist learned he had aids.

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One favorite is when she forced the Friars Club, a
social club for showbiz professionals, to accept female members. Part
of her strategy included bursting into their steam room reporters
in tow wearing an eighteen ninety swimsuit, holding a tape measure,
and singing the Peggy Lee hit Is That All There Is?

(19:47):
I Love the drama. But not all of her cases
were quite so fun. One of Gloria's most groundbreaking cases
from the nineteen eighties was on behalf of a then
twenty two two year old Latina woman named Rita Mia.

(20:15):
Growing up, Rita loved going to church. She sang in
the choir, helped teach Sunday school, and had dreams of
someday becoming a nun. Rita was sixteen when the abuse began.
Father Tamayo reached through a broken confessional panel to fondle
her breast. He told her that he needed her to

(20:37):
help him, and she obeyed. She continued to obey for
two years, then when she turned eighteen, he took her
to an abandoned house to have sex. On another night,
he took her to an hourly motel. He started bringing
in other priests as well, seven in all. Eventually, Rita

(21:00):
became pregnant. When she told Tomayo, he suggested she get
an abortion, but she would not, so instead, Tomayo sent
her to stay with his brother in the Philippines. The
plan was that she would have the baby there and
then give it up for adoption. Rita agreed because Tomayo

(21:22):
told her that this was what she needed to do
to protect the church. But once she reached the Philippines,
Rita felt as if the church abandoned her. During the
seven months she was there, she lived on less than
four hundred and fifty dollars. She became malnourished and sick.

(21:43):
During the pregnancy, she suffered from acclampsia, which is a
severe condition that caused her to have seizures and pass out.
I mean, you know you've seen downton abbe. At one point,
a priest was called to perform her last writes. While
she recovered in the hospital, Rita decided not to give
the baby up for adoption. When she returned to California,

(22:05):
she contacted Bishop John Ward of the Los Angeles Archdiocese
and told him everything that happened to her. He told
her not to worry, that he would investigate. All she
needed to do was wait and don't say anything to anyone.
Four months passed before he finally claimed there was nothing

(22:28):
he could do. Then Rita found Gloria. In nineteen eighty four,
Gloria filed a lawsuit against the Catholic Archdiocese in Los Angeles,

(22:49):
and Gloria called a press conference. The interview was a success,
but what Rita and Gloria didn't know was that as
camera bulbs flashed and reporters yelled questions, seven priests slipped
out of the city. Each of the men named in
the lawsuit disappeared without a trace. Rita's lawsuit reached a

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point of stagnation. All seven of the priests she named disappeared,
and the Los Angeles Archdiocese refused to provide addresses for them,
and the church went on attack against Rita. Later that year,
a prominent bishop gave a television interview where he claimed

(23:38):
that Rita had a bad reputation for fraternizing with the
altar boys. Rita had never kissed a boy before she
was abused by father Tamayo, but that didn't matter. In
nineteen eighty seven, the court ruled that the church was
not responsible for the abuse. Rita waited too long before filing,

(24:00):
and the statute of limitations ran out. Part of the
reason was that church officials had told Rita to wait
while they investigated, but it didn't matter. Rita's case would
never go to trial. Things were at a low point
for the case and for Gloria's personal life as well.

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In nineteen eighty five, the US government began investigating Gloria's husband, Bill,
for selling counterfeit airplane parts. The criticism she received up
until this was from people angry that she challenged the
status quo that she could handle now because of something
her husband did. She wasn't the wrong for Gloria, his

(24:50):
ethical lapse was a complete betrayal. Soon after the investigation began,
the couple separated. Initially, it was mostly to protect Gloria's
public image as well as the couple's assets, but after
Bill was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the US government,
the separation became a very real divorce. After the end

(25:19):
of her marriage, Gloria threw herself into her work. Though
the case against the Los Angeles Archdiocese was thrown out,
there was still something she could get for Rita, the
identity of her child's father. In nineteen ninety one, Father
Tamayo returned to Los Angeles and contacted Gloria directly. His

(25:42):
conscience finally got the better of him and he was
ready to come clean. The press conference was held in
Gloria's office. Father Tomayo took a seat in front of

(26:03):
the colorful tapestry and shifted under the heat of the
bright lights as he spoke. He said his superiors ordered
his silence. They told him and the other priests to
leave the country. In fact, the church paid to Mayo
to flee to the Philippines. In nineteen eighty seven, Tomayo

(26:24):
wanted to return to Los Angeles, but once again the
Church told him to stay away. Finally, Father to Mayo
suffered a series of strokes. Perhaps seeing that the end
of his life could be near, Tomayo seized the urge
to repent. He returned to Los Angeles against the church's orders,

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and he brought with him extensive documentation of everything the
church did to cover up Rita's abuse. It would be
eleven more years before Rito would finally see something close
to justice. In two thousand and two, a California legislature
extended the statute of limitations for victims of abuse by

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clergy members. Rita went on to win a five hundred
thousand dollars settlement from the court, and perhaps more importantly,
she learned the identity of her child's father. After over
a decade, Gloria successfully tracked down the two priests slash
rapists who were most likely to be the father of

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Rita's child. They served one of the men with a
paternity suit and conclusively established that he was her child's
biological father. By then, Rita's daughter Jackie was twenty years
old in starting her own family. The results of the
test might not change much for them, but it did

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provide a sense of closure. By two thousand and two,
Gloria started taking on some very high profile cases. She
represented Nicole Brown's parents in their civil case against O. J. Simpson,

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and she filed multiple complaints about Michael Jackson with Child
Protective Services. She represented Dote Fayette's fiance who sued Fayed
for breach of marital contract after his affair with Princess
Diana became public. Gloria also defended Rachel Uchito, one of
Tiger Wood's mistresses, who was being sued by Woods for

(28:33):
breaking her NDA, and she advised a former porn star
during a House of Representative's Ethics Committee investigation for her
part in the sexting scandal involving then Congressman Anthony Weiner.
These women fell under the same umbrella of judgment as
Ronda da Costa the story at the top of this episode,

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Though the circumstances were, of course very different, mistresses and
porn stars did not constitute what the press considered deserving protagonists. Listeners,
you and I know better, and so did Gloria the
press observed that she just wanted to chime in on
any subject that attracted attention. Everyone deserves justice, but people

(29:22):
contain multitudes. Gloria represented people who deserve justice and attracted attention.
At one point, she even starred in a courtroom reality
TV show called We the People. With Gloria already, the
public was catching on to her tactics. Gloria became known

(29:42):
as the Queen of the press conference, a woman with
a talent for manipulating the press and positioning herself as
a heroic defender of the oppressed. I don't really mind
that myself, I mean, why not do both? But the
public was turning on her, and it showed was the
butt of every joke.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Look, and there's nothing there's no greater definition of stupid
or liar than Gloria allread well. Notwithstanding that, Gloria already
got her hooks into Amber and we've seen that show
many times now and Saturday Night Live, Karen from Boston asks,
I saw your latest freak show press conference with Ms Diaz,

(30:25):
and I have to ask, is there anything you.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Won't do to push your butt ugly mug in front
of a camera. Another good question, Karen, I have to
think about that, but I guess my answer would.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Be no, even the Simpson's gotta dig, shut up both.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Of you or else Sue.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'll save it for your next book, you little snitch.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's a salt. That is a salt.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Maybe defending a woman who got fired after having a
boob job isn't the most important case in the world,
doesn't make it unimportant, and representing her certainly doesn't negate
all the very important good work she did, like defending
six migrant farm workers who were denied employment because of

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their gender, or representing the first same sex couple to
be married in California. Gloria might chase exciting cases, but
she takes plenty of modest ones too. Whose fault is
it really if we're more interested in hearing about famous
mistresses than exploited farm workers. Up until twenty seventeen, that

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was pretty much the story behind Gloria alread a good
woman who got a bad rap. But twenty seventeen is
the twist That summer two reporters investigating the crimes of

(31:57):
Harvey Weinstein came up cross a damning letter from the
lawyer defending him. That lawyer was Lisa Bloom, Gloria's daughter.
Like her mother, Lisa grew up to become an advocate
for women's rights and known for taking on powerful predators.
She played a key role in cases against Donald Trump

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and Bill O'Reilly. But now she agreed to defend Harvey Weinstein,
as in famed sexual predator Harvey Weinstein. Perhaps part of
Lisa's motivation was the fact that Weinstein was going to
be making her book into a film, or that he
was paying her a fifty thousand dollars retainer and an

(32:41):
eight hundred and ninety five dollars hourly fee. But back
to that letter. It was a query letter explaining what
Lisa would do for Harvey once he hired her, and
it was bad. She writes about Rose McGowan, who was
accusing him of rape. Quote, I feel equipped to help
you against the Roses of the world because I have

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represented so many of them. They start out as impressive,
bold women, but the more one presses for evidence, the
weaknesses and lies are revealed. She doesn't seem to have
much going on these days except her rapidly escalating identity
as a feminist warrior. After that, there's a list of

(33:23):
tactics she'd use on Weinstein's behalf, things like quote come
out publicly in a preemptive interview where you talk about
evolving on women's issues, prompted by the death of your
mother and maybe nasty, unfounded, hurtful rumors about you, and
quote place an article regarding her becoming increasingly unglued, so

(33:45):
that when someone googles her, this is what pops up.
She was using the tactics she learned defending women to
discredit them, and as the two journalists investigated further, they
discovered that Gloria herself had also played in covering up
Weinstein's crimes. In two thousand and four, a young dancer

(34:16):
named Ashley Maddow contacted Gloria's firm about an incident where
Harvey nearly raped her. Gloria was unavailable at the time,
but one of the partners at her firm took the case.
He told Ashley that she wasn't strong enough to go
up against a producer like Harvey. He said her best

(34:36):
option was to sign an NDA in exchange for money,
of which the law firm would take a forty percent cut. Later,
when Ashley saw all the harm that Weinstein caused she
called Gloria to see if there was a way for
her to break her NDA. She recalled Gloria saying that

(34:57):
she was lucky to get her on the phone. Gloria
usually only talked to very important people. When she asked
about the NDA, Gloria basically told Ashley that she was
too poor to break anything. The firm bought a woman's silence,
and it wasn't the only time they'd done it. Gloria

(35:17):
herself also helped facilitate similar deals for victims of Bill
O'Reilly and ex gymnastics coach Larry Nasser. You could argue
that Gloria's firm was just doing what was best for
their client. Maybe they really believed that Ashley wouldn't hold
up to the life ruining scrutiny that comes with accusing
a powerful man of rape. If that was true, then

(35:40):
taking the money was the best way for her to
get anything out of a really traumatic event in her life.
Or maybe they thought that sixty percent of the NDA's
payoff was life changing money. Maybe she wasn't the prototype
of a deserving protagonist, so she could help herself, But
for what whatever reason, her case might not help other

(36:02):
women Any of these things could be true, but I
do know that no matter how you slice it, that
was Ashley's decision to make. So I don't know is
Gloria a hero, an ambulance chasing fame junkie or a
villain wearing the thin disguise of a women's rights crusader.

(36:35):
When she started out, Gloria wanted to change the systems
that hurt her. But that meant working inside them. And
we all know what happens when you gaze long into
the abyss, the abyss gazes back into you. Thank you

(37:07):
to Gloria Allread for her autobiography, Fight Back and Win,
My thirty year fight against Injustice and how you can
win your own battles. It was a great help in
writing this episode. Other sources include the film Seeing all
Read in several news articles. All of these sources are
linked in our show notes. If you want to learn more,

(37:29):
join me next week on the Greatest True Crime Stories
Ever told for the tragic story of Sinadu Taedessa, a
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