October 3, 2024 • 10 mins
The conversation explores Sam Darnold's career trajectory, focusing on his time with the New York Jets and the lack of support he received from the team. It highlights the challenges he faced as a young quarterback and how the Jets' decisions contributed to his struggles. The discussion also touches on his subsequent moves to the Panthers and Vikings, emphasizing the importance of team support in a quarterback's success.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
With Sam Donald going head to head with his former
team in London this week, the inevitable question was always
going to be asked. With Sam Donald's success this season
for the Minnesota Vikings, which he didn't achieve with the
Panthers or Jets, and didn't have an opportunity to achieve
(00:28):
with the forty nine Ers being the backup quarterback there.
He was asked the question if the New York Jets
failed him while he was on their roster, while he
was a player there, because that's where he was drafted,
and this was Sam Donald's response. He says, no, I
(00:51):
think I had a lot of opportunities in New York.
I always felt like I could have played better there.
A classic take the high road answer from Sam Darnold
as he prepares to play against the New York Jets
this season. Well, let's take a look at the facts
(01:13):
about his time with the New York Jets. Here's his
football stats. His rookie season seventeen touchdowns, fifteen picks, solid
rookie season, second season nineteen touchdowns, thirteen picks. Third season
nine touchdowns, eleven interceptions. So got worse and worse as
(01:38):
the years progressed for the New York Jets. I guess
his second season was his best and then his last season.
When you hoped that quarterback takes that extra step and
it becomes a superstar caliber quarterback in this league, never
took that step. Went from nineteen touchdowns to thirteen picks,
to nine touchdowns to eleven picks. So his third year
(02:02):
with the New York Jets was his worst season by far.
But let's take a look at the roster around him.
Not to mention that Adam Gase, who was his head
coach for the New York Jets, is the offensive coordinator
for the Miami Dolphins before that and has not had
a coaching opportunity. Maybe he's declined, who knows what the
(02:24):
situation is, but hasn't been a head coach or any
kind of coach in the NFL since he was a
coach with the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But here let's get to the real story.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, because Sam Donald was not given much to work
with at all with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Let's pull up the twenty eighteen roster leaders from the
New York Jets. Sam Donald QB one rushing Isaiah Crowell
thirteen games played, one hundred and forty three carries, six
hundred and eighty five yards. Okay, receiving Robbie Chosen, what's
(03:09):
the number one option? Fourteen games played, fifty receptions, seven
hundred and fifty two yards, six touchdowns. So this is
what you're giving your QB one who's immediately becoming the.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Starter with the Jets. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This is the roster that you brought Sam Darnold into
the NFL with.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You would think that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Common sense. You're bringing a rookiet quarterback, you want them
to be successful. What do you do? You form great
players around him to build his confidence, to get him
in a rhythm, to develop some kissing, to develop them
some consistency, to gather some belief Himselven from coaches, from teammates,
(04:03):
they bringing him in with Robbie Chosen, Chris Herndon Quincy,
any one knew Jermaine Curse, Terrell Prior Senior, who was
a quarterback in college. This is who the New York
Jets formed around Sam Darnold his rookie season. All right, well,
maybe that was just his rookie season. Let's take Let's
(04:24):
take a look at his second season, starting in the
League because this was his best statistical season with the Jets.
All right, running back Leveon Bell, Okay, former Pittsburgh Steeler,
had a good career with the Steelers, But I think
he had to sit out a year because you like
held out the entire year. But fifteen games played, two
hundred and forty five carries, seven hundred and eighty nine yards. Again,
(04:48):
not a single one hundred or not a single one
thousand yard rusher on the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Let's take a look their wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Jamison Crowder seventy eight he catches eight hundred and thirty
three yards. Robbie Chosen fifty two catches seven hundred and
seventy nine yards. Leveon Bell third interceptions, sixty six catches
four hundred and sixty one yards. Still no one hundred,
Still no one thousand yard wide receiver on the New
(05:21):
York Jets. In Sam Donald's second season starting, you would
think that, Okay, you know, we gave you a chance
to start well. This offseason, we're gonna get better players
around you, and you're gonna take off and you are
gonna be our franchise guy for the next ten to
fifteen years. In this league besides Leveon Bell who was
(05:44):
aging at that point, and a Damarus Thomas Rip who
wasn't nearly the same player than he was with the
Denver Broncos. Where did they add? Who did they add? Okay,
let's take a look at Sam Donald's final year. You know,
you would think you know you you know yea, yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Struggled to.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Uh develop players around him and and and and bring
guys in.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is the last hurrah for Sam Donald. He's got
one more year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
To be successful with the Jets. You give him one
more chance. He was QB one.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
All right, here we go Frank Gore. Oh my gosh,
Frank Gore? What how is he there? Leading running back?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
This is ridiculous what the New York Jets did to
Sam Donald's quarterback abuse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is Frank Gore's last season in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He was in the season. He was a rookie in
two thousand and five. This is twenty twenty. This is
who Sam Donald was surrounded by with the New York Jets.
Wide receivers Jamison Crowder fifty nine catches six hundred and
ninety nine yards.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Breshad Perriman, who.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thirty catches five hundred and five yards, Braxton Burrios thirty
seven catches three hundred and ninety four yards. This is
who Sam Donald was throwing the ball to for three
straight years with the New York Jets. And you would think, Okay,
you don't have great receivers, well, at least give me
a good running bag that can carry the load and
(07:34):
take some of the pressure off of me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, they had Frank Gore as.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The leading back when he was like eighty years old,
and the year before they had Leveon Bell. The New
York Jets set up Sam Donald to fail. And I
don't even know how you can argue any differently. Of course,
(08:00):
Sam Donald's gonna take the higher I had plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I always felt like I could have played better there.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But you know for a fact that behind the scenes,
Sam Donald is painting a different picture, as we all
would in that situation. You look at the situation objectively,
and who was Sam Donald throwing the ball to. Not
a single one thousand yard rusher, not a single one
(08:28):
thousand yard wide receiver. And this is supposed to be
your franchise superstar guy that you're.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Trying to build. I don't think I could think of.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
A worse plan than to throw out your rookie quarterback
onto the field, not in like a quiet area in
the NFL, like I don't know what's a good example, Saints,
it's a good example, maybe Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This is
(09:02):
New York, one of the most critical area's most pressured
places to play, and you're throwing out Sam Donald to
the Wolves. That's what the Jets did. They gave Sam
Donald to the Wolves. They set him up to fail terribly,
(09:23):
and so we did anyone to the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Not a much better.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, No, that situation, there wasn't a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He goes to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, now we're talking, and now he's landed with the
Minnesota Vikings. And if you're a coach with the Panthers
and with the Jets and you see what he's doing
with the Vikings, you point the finger at yourself and
realize what you surrounded Sam Donald with when he was
(09:58):
a quarterback the New York Jets. Because it is flat
out ridiculous, flat out QB abuse in the NFL
With Sam Donald going head to head with his former
team in London this week, the inevitable question was always
going to be asked. With Sam Donald's success this season
for the Minnesota Vikings, which he didn't achieve with the
Panthers or Jets, and didn't have an opportunity to achieve
(00:28):
with the forty nine Ers being the backup quarterback there.
He was asked the question if the New York Jets
failed him while he was on their roster, while he
was a player there, because that's where he was drafted,
and this was Sam Donald's response. He says, no, I
(00:51):
think I had a lot of opportunities in New York.
I always felt like I could have played better there.
A classic take the high road answer from Sam Darnold
as he prepares to play against the New York Jets
this season. Well, let's take a look at the facts
(01:13):
about his time with the New York Jets. Here's his
football stats. His rookie season seventeen touchdowns, fifteen picks, solid
rookie season, second season nineteen touchdowns, thirteen picks. Third season
nine touchdowns, eleven interceptions. So got worse and worse as
(01:38):
the years progressed for the New York Jets. I guess
his second season was his best and then his last season.
When you hoped that quarterback takes that extra step and
it becomes a superstar caliber quarterback in this league, never
took that step. Went from nineteen touchdowns to thirteen picks,
to nine touchdowns to eleven picks. So his third year
(02:02):
with the New York Jets was his worst season by far.
But let's take a look at the roster around him.
Not to mention that Adam Gase, who was his head
coach for the New York Jets, is the offensive coordinator
for the Miami Dolphins before that and has not had
a coaching opportunity. Maybe he's declined, who knows what the
(02:24):
situation is, but hasn't been a head coach or any
kind of coach in the NFL since he was a
coach with the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But here let's get to the real story.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, because Sam Donald was not given much to work
with at all with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Let's pull up the twenty eighteen roster leaders from the
New York Jets. Sam Donald QB one rushing Isaiah Crowell
thirteen games played, one hundred and forty three carries, six
hundred and eighty five yards. Okay, receiving Robbie Chosen, what's
(03:09):
the number one option? Fourteen games played, fifty receptions, seven
hundred and fifty two yards, six touchdowns. So this is
what you're giving your QB one who's immediately becoming the.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Starter with the Jets. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This is the roster that you brought Sam Darnold into
the NFL with.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You would think that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Common sense. You're bringing a rookiet quarterback, you want them
to be successful. What do you do? You form great
players around him to build his confidence, to get him
in a rhythm, to develop some kissing, to develop them
some consistency, to gather some belief Himselven from coaches, from teammates,
(04:03):
they bringing him in with Robbie Chosen, Chris Herndon Quincy,
any one knew Jermaine Curse, Terrell Prior Senior, who was
a quarterback in college. This is who the New York
Jets formed around Sam Darnold his rookie season. All right, well,
maybe that was just his rookie season. Let's take Let's
(04:24):
take a look at his second season, starting in the
League because this was his best statistical season with the Jets.
All right, running back Leveon Bell, Okay, former Pittsburgh Steeler,
had a good career with the Steelers, But I think
he had to sit out a year because you like
held out the entire year. But fifteen games played, two
hundred and forty five carries, seven hundred and eighty nine yards. Again,
(04:48):
not a single one hundred or not a single one
thousand yard rusher on the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Let's take a look their wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Jamison Crowder seventy eight he catches eight hundred and thirty
three yards. Robbie Chosen fifty two catches seven hundred and
seventy nine yards. Leveon Bell third interceptions, sixty six catches
four hundred and sixty one yards. Still no one hundred,
Still no one thousand yard wide receiver on the New
(05:21):
York Jets. In Sam Donald's second season starting, you would
think that, Okay, you know, we gave you a chance
to start well. This offseason, we're gonna get better players
around you, and you're gonna take off and you are
gonna be our franchise guy for the next ten to
fifteen years. In this league besides Leveon Bell who was
(05:44):
aging at that point, and a Damarus Thomas Rip who
wasn't nearly the same player than he was with the
Denver Broncos. Where did they add? Who did they add? Okay,
let's take a look at Sam Donald's final year. You know,
you would think you know you you know yea, yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Struggled to.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Uh develop players around him and and and and bring
guys in.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is the last hurrah for Sam Donald. He's got
one more year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
To be successful with the Jets. You give him one
more chance. He was QB one.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
All right, here we go Frank Gore. Oh my gosh,
Frank Gore? What how is he there? Leading running back?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
This is ridiculous what the New York Jets did to
Sam Donald's quarterback abuse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is Frank Gore's last season in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He was in the season. He was a rookie in
two thousand and five. This is twenty twenty. This is
who Sam Donald was surrounded by with the New York Jets.
Wide receivers Jamison Crowder fifty nine catches six hundred and
ninety nine yards.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Breshad Perriman, who.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thirty catches five hundred and five yards, Braxton Burrios thirty
seven catches three hundred and ninety four yards. This is
who Sam Donald was throwing the ball to for three
straight years with the New York Jets. And you would think, Okay,
you don't have great receivers, well, at least give me
a good running bag that can carry the load and
(07:34):
take some of the pressure off of me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, they had Frank Gore as.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The leading back when he was like eighty years old,
and the year before they had Leveon Bell. The New
York Jets set up Sam Donald to fail. And I
don't even know how you can argue any differently. Of course,
(08:00):
Sam Donald's gonna take the higher I had plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I always felt like I could have played better there.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But you know for a fact that behind the scenes,
Sam Donald is painting a different picture, as we all
would in that situation. You look at the situation objectively,
and who was Sam Donald throwing the ball to. Not
a single one thousand yard rusher, not a single one
(08:28):
thousand yard wide receiver. And this is supposed to be
your franchise superstar guy that you're.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Trying to build. I don't think I could think of.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
A worse plan than to throw out your rookie quarterback
onto the field, not in like a quiet area in
the NFL, like I don't know what's a good example, Saints,
it's a good example, maybe Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This is
(09:02):
New York, one of the most critical area's most pressured
places to play, and you're throwing out Sam Donald to
the Wolves. That's what the Jets did. They gave Sam
Donald to the Wolves. They set him up to fail terribly,
(09:23):
and so we did anyone to the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Not a much better.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, No, that situation, there wasn't a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He goes to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, now we're talking, and now he's landed with the
Minnesota Vikings. And if you're a coach with the Panthers
and with the Jets and you see what he's doing
with the Vikings, you point the finger at yourself and
realize what you surrounded Sam Donald with when he was
(09:58):
a quarterback the New York Jets. Because it is flat
out ridiculous, flat out QB abuse in the NFL
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