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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Grind, a Minnesota sports podcast.
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If all our bosses could only be as generous as
the Chicago Bears boss Ryan Poll's contract extension a fifteen
and thirty six overall record as the Chicago Bears general manager.
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It says here in an Adam Schefter tweet. ESPN sources
the Bears and general manager Ryan Poles have reached agreement
on a contract extension that ties him to Chicago for
the next five years through the twenty twenty nine season.
Poles had two years remaining on his old deal, but
now the Bears have him and new head coach Ben
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Johnson both under contract for a matching five seasons. And yes,
this was a very generous contract extension given by the
Chicago Bears, and it does provide security for Ryan Puls,
But does it really sure he'll get paid for five
seasons regardless? But the NFL will literally extend a coach
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or a general manager for years to come and then
fire that guy the next offseason. And don't think that
the Bears will not fire Ryan Poles if Ben Johnson
is a complete disaster, because that's really what hinges and
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determines the future of Ryan Poles. If Ben Johnson is
a huge success, then the Chicago Bears will be good
and Ryan Poles will look like a genius in this
contract extension will be the greatest decision ever made. But
if Ben Johnson stinks and Caleb Williams does not take
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the next level in his game and becomes a bust,
and Pouls is gone, and we'll hardly make it two
years into this contract extension. All right, this is in
the Chicago Bears podcast. This is a Minnesota sports podcast,
and this is the grind. And it's been over twelve
thousand days since the Minnesota Twins won the World Series
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in nineteen ninety one, and we're grinding as sports fans.
We're grinding, cheering on our players in our favorite teams.
And yesterday the Twins, led by Nelly, announced a sellout
crowd of forty thousand, one hundred people, the first sellout
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of the season. Here's a Judd Zolgad tweet that says
for tonight's game against the Pirates, the past four home
games have drawn one hundred and thirty eight thousand, with
thirty thousand or.
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More for each.
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The Minnesota Twins, all of a sudden, have been winning
games again. This has to be the most inconsistent team
in Major League Baseball this year. You start out four
and ten, you win thirteen games in a row, and
then you'll lose nine of eleven, and now you're winning
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games again. You win this series against the Tampa Bay Rays,
who are a good club, and now you're beating the
Pittsburgh Pirates who threw out their all star pitcher. Or yeah,
Pittsburgh Pirates. Beat Chicago two out of three games, beat
Tampa two out of three games. Now beat Pittsburgh, and
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now the Twins are hovering right around five hundred. So
here's what the Twins plan needs to be. They need
to hire Nelly.
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As an official musical icon of the Minnesota Twins.
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Every home game he performs, sell out Crown, get the
players amped, get the team amped. The only problem with
that is I don't know how the Minnesota Twins aren't
going to pay Nelly his contract because they are low ballers.
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They low ball people, and they don't like to pay people.
So I guess we can scratch that idea. But the
topic that I really want to dive.
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Into today comes from ESPN.
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Seth Walder, who gave off season grades to every team
this offseason and gave his biggest move. HE liked move,
I disliked move. I liked biggest move, move, I liked
to move. I disliked biggest move, sticking with quarterback Jaj
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McCarthy as their starter move. I liked sticking with McCarthy
and the move. I disliked signing defensive tackle Jonathan Allen.
And I personally love reading these pieces that come from
objective minds, because sometimes what happens is when you only
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follow the Minnesota sports scene, you can get lost in
just how good the roster appears to be, because well,
we made this move, we signed this guy, or loading
up on the offensive and defensive line. There's nothing stopping
us now. So then when the piece like this comes
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from an objective writer that has really no obligation or
pull towards the Vikings, I enjoy reading him. He says
this what to do at quarterback was the biggest, most
important decision the Vikings had to make. There were essentially
three options, retained Aaron Rodgers or Star McCarthy, their first
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round pick from twenty twenty four. They chose the last option,
which I feel is correct. Donald was coming off a
career season but his performance was overrated by the win
loss record, despite having an elite player caller as head
coach and the league's best wide receiver, Donald took Donald
ranked fourteenth in QBR last season, a number that includes
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his disastrous Week eighteen game against the Lions but doesn't
factor in his similarly dreadful wild card game against the Ramps. Ultimately,
Donald's collapse made the choice easy, and the Vikings were
correct to pari interest from Rodgers. That's the one problem
with some of these articles, Pary Perry. I have no
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idea what that means, and I don't even know how
to pronounce it. Quit trying to sound so smart who
has not played well since twenty twenty one. Minnesota is
in a far different position than the Steelers, thinks to McCarthy.
The Vikings are also projected to gain a third round
compens tory pick for losing Darnold and a fourth round
for losing Daniel Jones per overthecap dot Com draft additions
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that are not trivial, but while approve of the biggest
choice this law season, I was less fond of many
of Minnesota's other decisions. And then he goes on with
the decisions that he disagreed with. Will Fries is a
promising guard, but handing him a five year deal that
averages over seventeen point five million per season with forty four.
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Million fully guaranteed per.
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Roster management system seems incredibly rich for a player who
has recorded average ish pass block win rates in each
of the last two seasons. Guards were hot, but as
has been mentioned earlier, several quality guards for ten million
per year or less. All right, so let's address this
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concern from Seth Walder. He does make a fair point
about will Fries recording average ish past blocking win rates,
and sure that's a concern. But here's where the national
media trying to cover the Minnesota Vikings don't catch every
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single angle.
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They bring a.
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Good perspective of objectiveness into the situation, but because they're
writing these offseason grades for every offseason team, for every
NFL team, they lose a perspective that we all know
as Vikings fans. And the perspective we know is the
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Vikings struggled running the ball in the red zone last
year and the year before. The Vikings previous right guard
has been a combination of Ed Ingram and Dalton Reisner
over the last two years which needed to change, and
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the Minnesota Vikings found will Fries in free agency and
paid him a boatload of money because the Vikings had
a boatload of money to spend, and they still have
like seventeen million dollars in cap space to spend if
they wanted to spend it.
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So fair point.
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Of average ish pass blocking win rates, forty four million
guaranteed might be a little rich, but it's worth it
because if will Fries can perform well at the guard spot,
that position is going to be a thousand times better.
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It is going to be upgraded from the combinations the
Vikings have had in previous years.
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So that's what he's missing.
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He's missing the upgrade from Reisner and Ingram. All right,
Next up, he says, Jonathan Allen is thirty and declining.
He had a below average eight percent pass rush win
rate as a defensive tackle last season, after being a
top ten player in the category a few seasons ago.
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Yet Minnesota paid him seventeen million per year on a
three year deal, albeit with only twenty three point three
million full of guaranteed per overthecap dot com. That is
pricier than the deal the Commanders cut Allen on and
makes me think the Vikings should have traded a conditional
seventh round pick to Washington and taken Allen's old contract.
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So he disagrees with the this decision to bring in
Jonathan Allen, and I think the idea behind the Minnesota
Vikings decision is that Jonathan Allen is not going to
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be required to be a defensive lineman that is, a
three down defensive lineman because of all of the pieces
they added throughout the offseason and the pieces that they
already have on their roster Andrew Van Ginkel, Jonathan Grenard,
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Javon Hargrave, they still have Harrison Phillips, got Jonathan Allen,
So I think the idea behind the.
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Vikings thinking is we will throw out Allen.
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On specific plays, but we are not going to ask
him to play every down defensively, but we are going
to keep them fresh, similar to their plan with Aaron Jones. Offensively,
the Vikings bringing in Jordan Mason was purposeful so that
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they can alleviate some of the pressure.
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On Aaron Jones.
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Aaron Jones cannot carry the load like he did in
prior seasons with the Packers, and even like he did
last year with the Vikings. We want to spread the
love around and we want to keep these players that
are aging as fresh as possible.
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And although Jonathan Allen is.
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Thirty and he had a below average eight percent past
rush win rate as a defensive tackle last season, the
Vikings are going to keep these players fresh by replacing them,
by subbing them, by taking them in and out of the.
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Lineup throughout the course of the game.
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So I think there's another piece that Seth Walder is missing. Yes,
the deal by itself does not look great a percent
passage run rate, twenty three point three million guaranteed, but
you've got a factor in everything. The Cats pace, the
players on the roster, the Vikings logic behind the decision,
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and that's where Seth Walder is missing.
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It continues.
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Andrew Van Giggle is coming off a great season and
clearly fits well with Brian Flores defense, but he never
exceeded six sacks before twenty twenty four, but Minnesota rewarded
him with a one year contract extension through twenty twenty
six that added twenty three million, almost all fully guaranteed.
Extending Van Hengel is fine, but it was a bit
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rich and didn't come with more upside from Minnesota, such
as non guaranteed years after twenty twenty six. Again, this
is a meaningless point because the Vikings had the money
to spend. If they didn't spend this, it would just
be sitting there in the bank account. Just like you
can't carry your money with you to heaven after you die,
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you can't carry your money with you into the following season. Okay,
I mean you can with cap seats. So I don't
really know where I was going with that point, But
the point that I was attempting to make is that
either the Vikings extend Andrew van Ginkel, or they just
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keep zillions of dollars in their cap space and just
keep it there for no particular reason. Spend it, use it,
and we'll have money later as well. Seth writes. Aaron
Jones Senior was long underrated because of his receiving skills,
but as now a thirty year old running back, yet
the team resigned him to a multi year deal with
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eleven one point five million fully guaranteed. Again, this decision
was made because of the fresh legs that they put
behind Aaron Jones. With Jordan Mason joining the team, some
of Minnesota moves are fine. Though, the Vikings resigned cornerback
Viron Murphy Junr. At three years and eighteen million per
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year and traded essentially a fifth round pick for running
back Jordan Mason, who recorded one point four yards over
expectation carry with the forty nine ers last season per
NFL next Gen Stats. Both moves seemed reasonable. And this
is so interesting because I've disagreed with everything that he
said so far because he's missed big point that he
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doesn't fully understand, because he doesn't know all the small
details on the Vikings roster, because he has to do
this for every NFL team, and you are bound to
miss details when you're writing these offseason greats for every
NFL team. I completely disagree with the Viron Murphy take
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eighteen millions per year. Remember Viron Murphy Junior got torch
and exposed against the Green Bay Packers in the first
matchup last year.
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They targeted him and he did.
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Have a pick I think at the end of that game,
which sealed the deal essentially. But they targeted viron Murphy Jr.
On purpose so that they could get back in that game.
And the sexy number about viron Murphy Junior is that
he had a career year in interceptions. I think he
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had six. But the problem with interceptions is that those
don't always translate to the following year. You can look
at his stats and think they're sexy, but I in
teas don't always translate from year to year. Remember who's
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Stefan Diggs's brother, Diggs Cowboys cornerback stats. Remember him the
twenty twenty three season. He plays for the Cowboys, But
he also had a pretty spectacular season defensively.
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Let's see here pulling them up.
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Interceptions, Yeah, interceptions. In twenty twenty one, he had eleven,
and he became the most talked about corner in the
league because he had eleven interceptions and he returned two
of those four touchdowns. Since his eleven interception year in
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twenty twenty one, he's combined in the next three seasons
to have six interceptions and zero interceptions for touchdowns. He
had two in twenty twenty four, one in twenty twenty three,
three in twenty twenty two, which is a combination of six.
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In twenty twenty.
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One, he had eleven alone. Interceptions. Is not astad that
translates from year to year. It's more about luck than
anything being in the right place at the right time.
A quarterback's terrible throw just happens to go right through
to you. So the one area defensively that Seth Walder
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loved was resigning Iron Murphy junior, and that's the one
move I disagree with.
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It seems a little rich for a player that had.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
One spectacular season for the Vikings with six picks and
then he finishes up.
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I was in a fan of their draft, though.
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No team needed to trade down more given Minnesota's darth
of picks. They have picked guard Donovan Jackson in Round one,
even though they had a good deal available from the
Giants and a great one from the Falcons, who traded
up for each of the next two picks behind Minnesota.
That was a major squandered opportunity. Maybe the Vikings could
have traded back and collected a larger amount of picks,
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but if they lose Donovan Jackson, who will be the
left guard starter, then that's a big whiff. And again,
what Seth Walder is missing is that the Vikings have
traded down in the past. Think Kyle Hamilton, they could
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have picked him. They trade down a ton of spots
and picked Lewis Scene big bust, So the Vikings have
a little PTSD from trading down in the past and
missing out on the best positional players in the league,
like safety. So the Vikings stay put drafted position of
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need while also filling in the depth pieces through free
agency with the.
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Money they could spend.
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So I completely disagree with all of the things that
he is saying in this article. The McCarthy point is fine,
but I disagree with the Jonathan Allen take, the offensive
line take because it lacks context. It lacks the details
of what the Vikings have suffered through these last few
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seasons in the areas of need that they replaced through
free agency. So that's the take for the day. Thank
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