May 2, 2024 • 52 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *Thor* from Season 2.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Episode two of season two, Yes four four which, by
the way, I have a nephew whose name is Thor,
but it's pronounced tour.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
If I said that, you should definitely not believe me.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But I'm telling you that.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I know you're telling me the truth, but I that
is insanity.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And we started on.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I was just in the bathroom and they had sugarcane
toilet see covers sugar cane.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm supposed to lick the toilet.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I ate one. It was sweet and delicious.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we we start out and Larry is meeting Jeff
at a hotel coffee shop, right, and clearly it's a hotel.
You could tell it's a hotel, right, And Jeff tells
Larry that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hold on, one second, here is it me? Or is
Larry wearing something? Because I made a note collar is huge.
I think it was me in that scene. I'm looking
at the shirt and the collar is so not even
of its time.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was just going to say, was that its time?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
No, it was you know you No collars were like
that since maybe the seventies, and it's gigantic and pointing
on the end.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, wardrobe is so important, right in all kinds
of shows.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, by the way our wardrobe person I just complimented
the other day about what you were wearing.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
If bar wardrop person, now, yeah, yes, chilling, leslie, brilliant.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, but by the way she actually is all your outfits,
you stop in your tracks and you go, what the fun.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You complimented her on that pearl outfit? I bet one
you just wore.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, because she clearly devised that outfit and you'll see
it obviously this season when it comes out, and it
was hilarious but subtle, but subtle exactly, no, but hilarious
and so subtle with your outfits.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
There are times in fittings when you know, we'll put
things together, and my fittings are very fun by the way.
I will put things together and we'll look at each
other and we'll say too much, and then we laugh
because it's like, is it ever too much for Susie,
and yes, it is sometimes too obvious exactly, you know,
so the subtlety is very I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wear early in this this season that just killed me.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I know what it was? What was It was true
out fit?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh yes, I mean that was like I was. I
couldn't even look at you without laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
All right, okay, so you inform Larry that you have
left Susie. Now what's interesting is why would we divorce
so early in the season. And the response is, I
didn't know that my character was going to be here
twelve seasons later.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well, by the way, this is the first true Susie moment.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well the lawyer in season one when the Fresh Air kid,
you know, robs our house.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, but by the way, anybody would with the other
set this one. You've kicked him out. You are furious
and you take it on Larry and he doesn't want
to do this. That's why it's the favor if you will.
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's starting to develop. But I was a day player.
I had no contract. I didn't know from season to
season if I was going to be in the show,
how many episodes I was going to be in. Not
until way way later, was that different.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, I think it was well thought out and well
planned that we would have at this point when he
wrote it, he knew it would be good for the episode,
and there was no thought. Okay, but you say day player,
like it could have ended. No, it was working clearly.
Larry is not stupid, you know, and so there was
(04:04):
no risk. It was like, let's try this. I think
it's hilarious, and it was. It was, And then that
flipped the dominoes. If you will for the way you
are all the way.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Through to today, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, by the way, can I also say I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Think that there was a plan in Larry's head that
you know, because every season we never knew we were
going to do another season never.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But also there wasn't this specific plan to where we've
ended up today. But he it was a spark in
his eye that he saw you. Yes, yes, but by
the way, I was thinking yesterday when we filmed that
scene by the staircase, and ultimately you tell him to
leave the house, he's still after all these years, loses it.
(04:47):
He can't control laughing. When you start saying that to him,
he just falls apart.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You then, how many times have I kicked him out
of the house, which is my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The first one I think was the house. If I'm
not mistaken, that was the first time where you said
get out that I remember, Well, we'll find out. These
are all well find out. But the fact that you
kill him on that all these years, because the first
time you did it he couldn't control himself.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Now he still laughs, he's really hard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, the fact that I make Larry laugh has given
me a job all these years. Yes, yes, So Jeff
and Susie are getting a divorce and Jeff is afraid
that Susie is going to tell people about his sexual pecadillos.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's a tone for the episode.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It does, and it's about sexual blackmail. Yeah, And it's
an interesting subject because I've experienced this where people have
told me sexual piccadillos about x's and I think it's
so wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh it is so wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh no, I've been the victim of that, in other words,
being told and you're like, no, don't tell me. If
a friend's cheating on his wife, do not tell me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I really like and respect enough I hate their wife.
I say, good for you, but most.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Of them you don't want the information.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
No, and even then you don't want the information. So
it's like, I really dig and respect your wife, I
don't want this information in my head when I talk
to her next time, because it's just gonna be pity.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Or I had I had somebody tell me once who
many many years ago, way before my husband Jimmy tell
me I started dating this guy in an ex girlfriend
of his told me intimate things about his sexuality, just
that it was cruel and it made me dislike her intensely.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh, by the way, how could you not so like?
You know, you always have this way too much information.
That's information that is unneess particularly wrong, pig baller wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But Jeff is afraid that Susie is going to turn
him in and sexual blackmail, and Larry says that's why
he's never done anything remotely kinky, and by the way
he's comput it on the bottom, it's the kinkiest he's
ever done.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But by the way in that conversation he is so
curious as to what I might be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, you you, I think your character in many episodes
acts out his fantasies for him most certainly, And then
you say to him, not even with your wife. He says,
I treat her like an acquaintance. She has nothing to
say at all.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I treat her like an aquaint by the way.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Richard Lewis, Larry David, they come up with this stuff,
where you go, where did that come from? Yea, you
know how did you? Yes? But I can't be amazed
that my own skill had Yeah, because I think I
said to the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Of the matter is all of us come up with with.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Stinga Where did you pull that out?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
What crevis was that pulled out of? I mean the
way what's her name is doing the show now.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I was just going to say that about vince
baughn you know, pull stuff out? Where does this come from?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Tracy God a couple of them being drunk and going
to the city council meeting and saying what I don't
want to tell you because I want you to no, no,
but I want them to watch it and be surprised
by it. But she says two things in the episode
we're working on two different scenes, no same scene. She says,
these two gems that I'm Larry and I were talking
(08:22):
about it laughing because it was like, wow, where did
that come from so specific, and she's delightful, as I'm
apt to add.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And it's not something you can teach.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
No, no, no, no, that you cannot teach. That's why
Larry and Richard where they come up with these phrases,
what were you playing cards with Mengola? Wasn't that from
last season when he was racist or something? Larry met
the guy on the beach the black yea, yeah, but
these are I treat her as an acquaintance. Hilarious, Hilario's
(08:57):
and he made it up in the moment. You know,
that's what you're like, What it's not in the script? Well? Nothing,
by the way, well now they're much longer, but back
in those days they were like seven pages long.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They were seven pages long.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. Now they're in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So now Jeff asks Larry to do him a huge
favor because Jeff is now living in the hotel and
he wants Larry to go pick up his clothes and
bring his clothes to the hotel and Larry Larry asks
if Susie will be home, and Jeff says yes. Larry's
shall lead me alive about Susie. I always love when
(09:36):
my character is talked about right.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That's gotta be fun.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I always enjoy that look at him.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sending out a message of the way he's going to
develop your character. When he says she'll eat me alive,
he's establishing what you're about to do. And that's what
I'm saying. The other appearance says you're angry at the
fresh Air Fund, but.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The other with my parents, you were very nice. And
it is this season later on when we'll get to
it in the double hall the moment. It's one of the.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Reasons why the Dollar is my favorite episode, because this
is when you really establish the fear that Jeff and
Larry they live in.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Huge fear, huge fear. We can't even speak in front
of you sometimes. And we even just found that. We
felt one yesterday. We got painted into a corner and
we didn't know what to do when we looked at
each other, and we had to come up with some
stupid bullsh and it's.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Always and I see right through you by the way.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You said that right away, and you've said that many
times before.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So Larry says he will do the favor, and Larry's
now home and Cheryl is, you know, they're they're sitting
around at breakfast or something eating and Cheryl is reading an.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Article about Triple A.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh yeah, and the political agenda of Triple A about
their environmental and I was definitely based on Larry's wife,
who was La, who was.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Not even based. I actually asked, that's fact. That was
fact at that time. I don't know what they are now,
but at that time that was factual information.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And Laurie was a huge environmental.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And Larry heard that exact information and.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
From Laura saying that Triple A, you know, destroys the
environment and they just want to get more members and
more people driving and pollution and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And Cheryl, you know, goes off on a tie rate
about this.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But but by the way he took it as if
she's going blo blah blah. He didn't even pay attention.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Didn't even pay attention because.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And something's wrong with Triple A. He's not going to
hang on every note of that information.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And then Cheryl's and he's not really responding, and then
Cheryl says to him.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Why are you so quiet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Think about sex?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
How are you talking about now.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Whenever you're quiet, you usually thinking about sex.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I'm not thinking about sex, You're not kind of not
thinking about your little afternoon sex or something.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'm just crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's kind of kinky. You think I'm kinky? Do you
think you're kinky? Well, you just said that's kind of kinky.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You think I'm kinky.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm not kinky.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I'm just saying, or you don't want to have sex
in the afternoons, kind.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Of I want to have sex in the afternoon?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Did I that's what you said?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Why do you say that going.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
On in there that you don't ever like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like sick things going on?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is that what you're sick?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Do you think there's sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Are there sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why are you so quiet? What are you thinking about?
Are you thinking about sex?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No? No, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because he's afraid of the sexual blackmail. We've already established that.
And then she says, are you thinking about afternoon sex.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What she clearly wants in this scene? Yes, and he
doesn't do it because he.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Was just she says to him, whenever you're quiet, you're
thinking about sex. And then she says the afternoon sex
kind of kinky, and she's saying that in the four
play kind of playful way, and right away he gets defensive,
I'm not kinky, I'm not kicky, and he gets like
fearful and defensive with his own wife. Cozy trees are
like in a quaint right, and Larry says, do you
think there are sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And he's thinking about you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Obviously that whole scene is so funny, and then he
goes to call Jason to talk about the show. And
this is where they established this whole thing. And Jason
asks Larry to come to his office.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right and well.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Which is in the valley, which we know Larry lives
on the west side, and it's far and it's studio city.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Is this when his tire goes out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Real, Yes, okay, And Larry's like, it's never in Larry's office.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He never has a meeting.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
He's never never, I'm always traveling and he's nonplus that
he has to schlep to Jason's office, but he does
because he's accommodating. And as he's driving to go meet
Jason in his office, he drives past Wanda doing a
power walk in the neighborhood and he yells out at
her quite innocently.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Il M, I know that tush anywhere, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Don't think he's being lecherous one iota. I mean it's
something I would say to somebody, a friend, and she
just keeps walking and just whatever. And then he's driving
along and there are kids in the back of a
station wagon.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
What kind of car was that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's an old one of those wooden panels, station wagoneer
or some I remember so well, sitting in the back
of the station wagon making faces out the back window.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean in my childhood. I remember that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
By the way, it brings up nausea, nausea to me.
Why I was in a car accident sitting in the back?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Can I can?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I just say to our audience, because some of you
might be young, Not only did we not have car
seats for kids, we didn't have seatbelts, which.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Were great because when your mom wanted to hit you
in the all over exactly freedom.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And but we would be just flailing around back there.
There was no seatbelt, just flailing around.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And so I was. I got into an accident, and
I remember I'd come from an ice cream place we
had crossed this intersection. We were hit. The back opened
up and my cousin and I flew out of the
back seat about maybe i'll say, fifty yards and landed
on pebble and so I had a lot of I
low you ten.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Uh huh, And I got.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Caught up pretty good, but I was fine. I remember
laying on the ground going, Mommy, I know. But what
I want to say is I even remember flying in
the air and seeing him flying in there next to me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Was okay, he was fine too. You're both but you
remember saying it was.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
All very It's all. It all stays with me, every detail.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Maybe that was the beginning, Jeff, of what whatever, What
the are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Some some kind of neurosis or some kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Oh, that's what you're talking about. And by the way,
is that a neurosis thinking about a car accident.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Some kind of fear, some kind of mommy issue, some
kind of I don't know, I'm just throwing it.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Out, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
All that didn't come to fruition until I was in
my twenties. And by the way, when I look back at.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
My repressed no, there was nothing really.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Repressed at that age. But starting in high school. It
became a lot of noise in my head and then later.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
On the pebbles.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
But you're hooking on this accident that that caused brain injury,
and that was different.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
We'll see a future episode.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
What do you keep saying? Well, see leave me alone?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So the three boys are in the back of the
station wagon making faces at Larry, and Larry starts to
play along with them, right, you know, making faces.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
But he sweet and he's enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He enjoying it, and then he but then he starts.
I forgot who started with the shooting. Larry starts with
the shooting, big shooting. All the kids did the kids? Okay,
kids start with the fake shooting. Larry starts with the
fake shooting, and all of a sudden, you see the
kid's face change.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They seem upset and they turn around.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You read it as they were getting their father to
be worked up to do something.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I don't think they were freaked out because he'd been
playing with them, But I think they're like, you know,
we're going to get this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, Braddy. Little kids.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And this is something that I noticed that I had
forgotten about the car stops and then we hear that
spaghetti western and we see when.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We see the cowboy boots.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And I didn't know that that spaghetti western music was
used because that then became my theme, right, So I
was a little upset by the way walking.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Towards the car. He was a big guy and obviously
well built when we filmed it, and obviously a nice man.
But that being said, when he first got out and
he's walking towards Larry, I'm like, is Larry ping in
his pants? This guy's gigantian.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, Larry rolls up the window. Yeah, he rolls up
the window like the coward that he is. And you know,
the cowardliness is such a comedic. You know, all the
way back to Bob Hope and Jack Benny and Woody Allen,
they all played that cowardly role, which is a comedic.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Goal.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, it is really funny.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And this guy long blonde.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Because I'm big and powerful and just a strong, strong,
imposing man doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Big and powerful, okay, imposing, And this guy long blonde hair,
you know, clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Buff, but he does look like a professional wrestler.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He does.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I think that's why we hired him. We looked at
a lot of people who, you know, Larry wanted to
establish the second we see him, like, oh, is this
guy a professional wrestler because the other guys were big whatever,
but they didn't have that groove like this, the.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Long hair, the whole thing, the Viking look, the whole Yeah. Yeah,
And he calls Larry a ball turd, and he tells
him he's gonna talking to him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, exactly, he's talking to him like, you know, Uh,
there's a guy named Gordon Solely when I was a
kid in Florida. You know, I'm Gordon Solely, and he'd
have a wrestler on each side of him arguing with
each other. And that was like taken straight from that.
It might have even been dialogue that he'd done before.
Oh really, I think, you know, not in real life,
(19:40):
but I'm saying in terms of.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
This guy wasn't really a wrestler? Was he the actor?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I think he was just a gentle love maker.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, one does not preclude the other.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So Larry's traumatized because this big man is threatening him
and he's going to stick his finger up his finger
and we move.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
On, Hold on, no, no, no, we don't move on. He
disappears behind the car the wrestler, and remember Larry's like, looking,
what did he possibly do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's right, that's that and we're about to find out.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Right, he disappears behind Larry's car and we don't know
what he did. But soon Larry hears a little rattling
sound and he's got a flat tire. Obviously this guy
let the air out slash his tires something, and Larry
then decides to call Triple A because what do you
do when you have a flat tire?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But Triple A has been canceled and.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
His apparently his wife canceled it, who she had no
authorization to cancel, and he tries to re up it
but he can't, so he decides he's gonna change his
own tire. He opens his trunk clueless, which he in
real life I believe would be yes.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, by the way he's told us about he's anything mechanical,
it's not a stretch to think he couldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And he's there's a whole scene, you know, different people
walk by, one of which was Dort, who is our
prop master at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
By the way, one of the recurring themes is someone
would give him a little piece of information.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You got to loosen the lug nuts more. You're gonna
bust your bumper.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Move on.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I never took a shop class. And then he starts
to offer people money, thirty five dollars five and then
just ten dollars for a verbal response. And it's just
on and on, and it's a hilarious scene and just
establishing the lariness of his life and and how he's
you know, his wife is sabotaging him. Then he shows
(21:32):
up at Jason's office and he's filthy from trying to
his face from trying to change, you know, change the dryer,
the tire. And Jason knows who this guy is because
he tells him about the license plate said Thor And
Jason said, oh, that's Thor Olsen.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He's a professional wrestler. He tells Larry.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And also then another important thing that's established. He sees
the ticket on Jason's desk, the ticket from the camera.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh yeah, He hands Larry that. What is that? I
hate taking pictures? This is the domino effect of Larry's
writing correct where it goes over and.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's the light camera. There's a camera on the light
by the way.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I had that before. Yeah, of course, I guess I
went through a red I did, otherwise it wouldn't take
my picture. I went through a red light and had
my picture sent to me.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And by the way, nobody looks really good in those.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, Jesus I'm fat when he looks at the picture.
This is a fantastic scene with Jason. Larry's all famished
from the tire and everything, and they're going to make
the meeting tomorrow, right, And then they go back and
forth about whose office they're going to have the meeting in.
And this is a Jason brilliant scene, I think, don't you.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
The way he plays in Associate And we made a plan.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And the plan didn't work, and so they said, you'll
come back and we'll do it first.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're going to do the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And it's back and forth and back and forth and back,
and it's just it's a brilliant little piece of improv scen.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
We made a plant plan. We said, we'll meet at
my office, right and we'll have a meeting. Yeah, that's
the plan that hasn't been accomplished. Let's accomplish that.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
That's all we attempted to have the meeting, but it was.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
A board and we failed. Let's have that meeting. Let's happen.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
We we're having that meeting right now.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is not a meeting about the show. This is
a meeting about having a meeting.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
I know. But the intention is the same, don't you understand.
I drove here with the same intention.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The driving is not the meeting.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
The driving is what we're driving is The driving is
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You keep coming back to this insane thing we're driving. Yes,
driving is not the issue, do we not? The driving
is a issue.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Plan We were gonna have a meeting, a meeting.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You can train it all the world.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's so this scene, here's my last episode. I gave
my fun fact thing and that's this scene. This scene
we started filming after lunch two thirty three o'clock in
the morning. We had shot the scene because it was
right outside of Jason's office where we did the tire thing,
which is where he was, so he'd done that earlier.
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And they're in the office and Larry couldn't control his laughing,
including Jason pointing out why he's dirty, Jason saying everything
he said to him. Larry was tickled. The scene started
out it's supposed to be day, but we went into
the night. It's the hardest I've ever seen Larry laugh
for an extended period. He cost us maybe two hours
(24:26):
of his laughing because he couldn't recover. It wasn't like
laugh and go back, which is normal for him, but
not like this, because he knew he loves when.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
They did not recover for many many takes.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Oh yes, but I'm telling you, Susie, this was beyond
anything I'd ever experienced with him. Yeah, so we had
to like the outside to look like day, yet it's
pitch blackout like it took that long. But Larry loves.
Here's you know, this is the thing with you. Larry
loves when other characters see the insaneness of what Larry's
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doing and pointed out to him, you know, so you
won't see this on camera, but off camera, Larry giggles
and he just loves that this was insanity. This was
actually people getting mad at him because it was like,
what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What the fuck? And I would say professional.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I would say to Larry, look at his forehead, don't
look at his face, you know, not that that's not
part of a face. All right, I hope that was
a fun fact for everyone. There might be future fun facts.
I'm not going to guarantee it. The only thing I
guarantee is that I don't remember the guarantee I made
less your money back, guarantee money back. But I'm what
of the Pomber.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But this scene in particular, this struck me as just
this is why we improvised this show.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yes, a thing of beauty. I love that scene so much.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If people out there watch that scene right and learn,
I don't know what you could learn because you don't
have Jason and Larry's brains.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But whatever, We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Tim Kazerinski an old friend of mine Second City saren
It Live. He was doing and has been on Curb
Yes as what's his name is, Hugh Hugh. He spoke
at Second City when I was a young improviser there
and all these improvisers were in a room hanging on
us everybody. This guy was on saren It Live. He
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had a huge part in Neighbors Anyhow, loved it. Someone
brings up they ask me about Eddie Murphy and he says,
let me tell you all something. There are no other
better improvisers, better actors, and all of you will never
come close. He said this, and I only wanted to
(26:54):
yell for I swear. This overcame me, but I didn't
do it, considering I have ADHD it was amazing. I
didn't do it, but I wanted to yell.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Oh I do I will?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know, And by the way, having done a movie
with Eddie Murphy, yes, I was in awe of his
talent where it made me think like, how the fuck
does he do that? But I held my own with him,
and you know the way he said that none of
you will come close.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know when I was before I started doing stand
up and I was lost. I was just had no
idea what I was supposed to do. I thought I
was wanted to be an actress and I would take
acting class and I was totally bored and no idea.
Somebody encouraged me to take an improv class. Oh really, yes,
And I took an improv class and it was like
revelatory to me. I was really good at it. I
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had no idea I was good at it. You know,
you do the freeze tag and I jump in and
was like, this is a whole part of myself.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I had no idea about it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Kay, you're saying this. Larry David told me yesterday that
he didn't realize he was funny at all.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was doing intege to college, right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Wow, I mean And for me, I knew I was
funny starting in nursery school, and by eleventh grade it
was what I was going to do and you couldn't
stop me. So every year it was a matter of
pride that I was the funniest kid in school.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah he was not that. No, not many of our.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Peers are that. I was lucky to know that I
was on a journey that was meant to be. It
would have been sad, by the way, if I was
one of those unfunny people and I had that. And
by the way, you know where I decided this is,
you know, maybe kind of lame, but kind of cool.
I knew that I was going to move forward and
do this, and I was meant to do this because
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after I saw the Blues Brothers, which moved me incredibly,
and I felt such a kinship and I recognize a
lot of Chicago and of course Beluci and Ackroyd and
I mean John Candy, you know who wants an orange
whip and an orange whip, which I've repeated that line
a million times. Anyhow, when I got in the car
and two guys that I'm still friends with, the Astro Brothers,
(29:00):
they said, what did you think of it? And I,
without hesitating, I said, I'm on a mission from God.
They go they laughed, and I go, no, no, no,
I'm being serious, which is a big line from the
movie We're on a mission from God and it becomes
an epiphany for Jake or Elwood. Elwood was acrod and
so in the car, I kept saying I'm on a
mission from God, and they said, what is it? Actually,
(29:22):
I said this, which I'm embarrassed about. I'm going to
be a famous comedian. And by the way, they didn't
laugh when I said that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So you had never done stand up at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
No, and very young. My friend Robin Siegel's mother, I
mean seventeen eighteen nineteen would encourage me to go up
and do stand up and that was really daunting the
idea of doing it. But I remember her as the
only person in my life that encouraged me. Not that
I was discouraged by people laughed at me, but she
(29:52):
was the only one.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Going, hey, hey, that's doing to do? Yeah, and I
listened to her finally, I hope you thanked her.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So now we're going to get back to the episode.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Oh well, now you're saying that, implying that I have
knocked the whole show off track.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Look at me, check, I walked at me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I thought, now, by the way, everybody's.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Did nice say to you yesterday that I like when
we go off on our tangents.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, but it didn't seem like you did. But right
now it seemed like, now, everybody, I'm going to get
him back on track. But guess what, miss reading, No,
I'm back on track now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Larry goes home and he yells at Cheryl about canceling
Triple A and then he says he's got to go
change because he's a mess looking from changing the tire
and go to Jeff's house to get his clothes. Then
Cheryl says him, why did you tell Wanda she has
a big ass? And I don't think he did tell
Wanda she had a big by.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The way, that's what it felt like to her what
she thought he was doing, which is what we live
with now. You know, they know you said, I'm not
talking about women, I'm talking about anybody who feels that
they have and abused in that way. So everyone assumes that,
and no, he meant it as a.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gentle Yes, it was a friendly remark.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I was being chummy, Yeah, he says, I was being
I like big asses, he says, and then they start
having a fight about ass size, and then Cheryl accuses
him of having an ass fetish, and then he gets
back to I'm not a devian, I'm not kinky, and
you know all of that stuff, and which goes back
to the original scene with you in the beginning about
the sexual blackmail. Right, He's very fearful of the sexual
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black mail. And then Wanta comes over and she, you know,
starts going after him.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's how you say hello, by the way she walked.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
In the door, and she announced herself, this is who
I am on the show. I will not change one
iota from this moment until many seasons later. Yeah, this
is what I bring and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Wanda, Oh, you know why I am Okay, So I
had to turn around show you my big ass.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
You completely completely misinterpret that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I didn't say big as, I.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Didn't say big as.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I was just saying hello. I was just trying. Is
that how you say hello?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Is that it?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Hey big ass?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Or hey?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Ask hey?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I know your asked?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
What what? What is that?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
That's not how you say hello with it? Perhaps not
so something about my ass has made you download and
you stored it in your memory.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
No, no, that's not so.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
That we were having this. Did you tell him how
wrong it is you say something like that. I told
you know, a woman's ass is very personal.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He was so obsessed with asses you.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
As a finished he finished, okay, obsessed with asses?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I'm not obsessed with okay?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
And what is that that ship all over you?
Speaker 5 (32:50):
What you've been doing scrounging around looking for asses all
under bleachers and saying all his ass?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Exactly? You're establishing that relationship there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But from the very beginning, boom, like what Cheryl's is
not the same? Yours wasn't the same? Wanda when she
comes in boom?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Okay, So then Larry goes to our house and I
answered the door.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Now, let me say something about my outfit here.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's not fully Susie Green yet, but it started to
develop that look that I had wanted. And I remember
saying to Wendy, who was our wardrobe person at the time,
what I wanted this woman to look like.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I had this idea, and she didn't fully get it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I wanted her to look like those Russian women in
Brighton Beach in Brooklyn, her dress in these kinds of
very outrageous, out there ways. And I remember Wendy saying
to me, where would I get those clothes? And I said,
the back room of Lomans, which no longer exists, and
I had to take her on a little field trip
to Lomans. She'd never heard of Lomans, so she didn't,
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well whatever. A lot of people haven't at this point.
But if you're my wage and you grew up in
New York, you know all about.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
The first episode and later on this season it is
glued and it is established. But this is the first
episode that Larry and I are scared of you, right,
and you hammer Larry about me and at Larry in
the classic Susie way. We know it's now classic, but
we have not said it is the one. You were
very nice and you're yeah with the fresh air fun
(34:24):
kid who brought us that that was deserved? Who wouldn't
be excited in a situation like that.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So this is where you start to see what a
crazy woman she is. Right and Anna asked if that
whole tyrant that I did was improvise.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yes, everything is improvised.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, everything is improvised on the show.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
There's a couple of things that will come up that
will tell you when they happen in later seasons that
were scripted for a reason.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But by the way, in terms of scripted, they're not
scripted at all. But there might be a line that
he writes down, and by the way, I get maybe
a half dozen lines a season, so I'll be damned
if I'm not going to deliver it perfect. And it's
usually a line not even you know, what do you mean?
(35:08):
There's a line Jeff says which rarely appears. So when
he writes that, I feel a sense of.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Duty to say that.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'll get lines like that where we'll be like Susie
tells Larry to go fuck himself. Those are the lines
that I get, which I usually do anyway. I answer
the door, Susie answers the door. Oh, Jeff's messenger boy
is here, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
From the top, right, from the top line from the top.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
We know what's going on, and you know, on and
on about your little bimbo actresses. You're getting blow drops
and I was like, no, no, and then I hand
Larry your porn stash and on the.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Porn stay comes up later.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yes, in another episode not even the season, right, and
that we focus on big ass Mama was in your well,
actually there was the porn stash in the porno Gill
episode to get it out.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yes, is that we already pass that? Yeah, yeah, we did, that, says.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I know that guy when my parents walk in.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, that's that. That was the odin Kirk that Karen.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I don't remember discussing that particular scene.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And by the way, there's some great things from Louis
in this episode.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Louis and I, oh yeah, yeah, well we get to
that the rotten I love the rut. You know, you're
into that big ass stuff. And no, I recognize that woman.
And then I go into this hall. How you defile
me and you violate me? You know what, Jeff does
I do the sexual blackmail?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What reaction?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
No, no, no, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Please, I beg of you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And while we're in the middle of this, who walks
in your parents?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
But it's not while we're in the middle. We go
down You go downstairs, Larry, you open the door and
there are your in laws, whose child you just kicked
out of your hand, doubt And but by the way
you're so kind to them.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, I have a relationship. What I'm saying that a position, yeah,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And Louis, Louis and I who plays your dad? I
don't know that we ever had names for them, did
we be your parents?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't remember mom and dad. We just called them
You've done something rotten.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But that's an opening line. And the way he says rotten,
by the way, I'm watching it now and I'm laughing,
laugh hard at the way he says rotten.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean he was great. I love and that
was great casting for him as your father. I told, right, yeah, yeah,
we loved him.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And then Mina wants to go with Larry right to
the hotel to see her little baby boy she's so
worried about.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And Louis stays with me, why did you have to
put those clothes of Jeff just throw them back?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Why did you throw them in the trunk on top
of a dirty old tire.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Why that's obviously something wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's the question that is wrong. Why would anybody do that?
Person wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I don't have a closet in my house. I'm just
used to throwing things.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Around like that and throwing them on the floor.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I throw them on the floor. That's how all my
clothes at home all on the floor. I don't even
have a bed. I sleep on a big pile of clothes.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Well, it's just disgusting.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I'm a disgusting man.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Who I can see that?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Why?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
She's in the car. She's hilarious with him in the car.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And he's doing his best to ignore.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Why did you throw those clothes on the floor?
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Why not his mother in law? And he still is
dealing with it in a way of like.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Kill me exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
And she is the mother in law terrific magic, you know.
And he says to her, but she's like why why?
He says, I'm a disgusting man, and.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
He starts playing with her questions.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
And then I forget why she wanted to look for
a pen? Do you remember why she wanted to look
for a pen?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
No, there was something.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
She saw a.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Sign, that's right.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
She wanted to write something down, so she wants to
look for a pin. So she turns around to go
into the back.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Larry tells her there's a pen in.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The backseat and her ass is in the air. While
she's rummaging around in the back seat, Larry makes.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Her face, having no idea where this is going.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This is going.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And then they get to the hotel and Larry uh,
he carries the clothes in and minded that your mother's
just rambling, rambling, rambling. And then he sees Thor in
the hotel. And Jason had established we hadn't said this,
that there was a wrestling match in town.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yes, big.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Also we're skipping that. In the parking lot when he parked.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He saw the car, the station wagon with Thor, And
again Jason had established it there's a big wrestling convention
or meat.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Or whatever they do.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It was a match, a.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Match, okay, and and minus cow beautiful hotel.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But she goes up to the room mute. Then you
come down.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
No, no, I don't go up them. I sent her
up with them.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's you meet them.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then you send her up to the hotel down
And then Larry spots Thor and he says, to you,
remember you said you owed me one. I'm going to
take you up on it. And you you know it's
a bizarre request. He wants you to let the air
out of the tires, right. I go to it now,
really very accommodating.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Because a word's a word, you know, and you.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Know also this is your relationship with him, you're best friends, manager, clients.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Mostly it's me getting him in trouble, but quite often
he gets me correct.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But it's a YouTube in codes always yeah, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Right back, stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
He tells you go do it now, and then he
watches Thor walk away, and he goes to talk to
the kids.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Which is that voice that he uses when he knows
he's full of shit, the nodding, the smile.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wrestling is fixed.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, your dad's an actor.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yes, the winners are predetermined.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And it also goes to show and I do agree
the kids don't recognize him because now he saw him
through the car. But I guarantee they do that to
a lot of people, you know, make the something because
they're entertained by their dad's reaction. But they're horrified he
has mit them, and even when he walks away, the
look on their faces is like.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well, they thought their dad was something, and now he's
telling their dad the dad about it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Now they're going to ask him about now what he's
not going to enjoy. However, you feel like, is he
going to walk in on Larry? Like there's tension there.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
There's a lot of tensions right there.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I was watching it even knowing what the ending is,
although I forget half the time what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
This was so long ago.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I was feeling him, the idea of him like turning
around and seeing him standing there right, you know it
was it was set up that way, but that's not
what happened. What happens is you are outside letting the
air out of the tires, and then we see those
cowboy boots, yeah, standing right.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
By the way. I thought, as I'm watching it, I
think it's wonderful that I'm silent.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Of course, I totally agree, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
May have done it in the scene. But one of
the things that I do on the show is when I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Caught hey hey, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And I'll talk to the person, you know, But I
didn't think it or or we kept it out.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think he was too intimidating to do that.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well. I think that I at least did one take
where I didn't say anything, and that's what they use.
That's quite often.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Quite often we give a varite well almost always, yeah,
we do. We give a variety of choices, and then
you see what you know in editing, it's a completely
different thing because you see the flow of something and
the the way.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
What's fun about us doing something different when most of
the guest actors that come on the show do the
same thing every take, So for us we can rely
on knowing that that pitch is coming, like they're gonna
say that, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Going to be read by something different.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I'm not thinking out of the time what I'm going
to say. I just know they're going to say that. Again.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
It's hard sometimes to say the same thing take after take.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Hard sometimes. That's been my problem doing stand up for
forty years. I did one, I did a few one
man shows in Chicago, so I did this one my show,
my first one, I Want Someone to Cheese With, and
it was very successful. It kept on moving to bigger theaters,
and I hated the sound of my voice. I had
so much trouble doing it the same way, so I
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began improvising, and by the end of the run, I
don't know what was even left from the beginning of
the run. Well, during this time, Jackie Mason was in
town doing a one man show, so I was invited
backstage and I tell him that I'm having trouble with
my show because I can't stay focused on the words.
I gotta change everything. And he says to me, what
(43:41):
are you a schmuck? You're a schmuck. You got a
hit show and you're messing around with it. You're a schmuck. Well,
for the rest of my career, I've continued to be
a schmuckcause he was all school, Jackie Mason, but also
very funny, brilliantly funny.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
And that first show he did, that first Way show
he did, was amazing. So one of the funniest things,
and one of the reasons why it was so brilliant
was because it was years and years and years of
material that he had honed. The subsequent shows were not
as good because it was they were still very funny.
But we were talking about this on set yesterday. Maybe
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you weren't there I forgot who I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You was Jack you Mason? I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, we weren't talking about Jacum Mason. We were talking
about different stand ups. And some stand ups when they
get on stage, they know exactly what they're going to
do and what order they're going to do. And I
used to know what my opening line was going to
be because I was too nervous not to know. But
that was all I ever knew. Beyond that, I never
knew an order. I never had a preconceived notion of
(44:43):
what I was going to do. It would just all
happen in that moment on stage. You and I worked
similarly in that way. A lot of comics worked our way,
and a lot of comics there's no right or wrong,
they're mutually different.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well, I'm actually envious of anyone who can do a
full an a to Z.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I tried it when I would have so much anxiety
doing stand up, and part of it was because of
the way I worked right And I thought, well, maybe
if I had a set set, I wouldn't feel so
anxious and it wouldn't be so stressful. And I tried
it that way, and I was incapable of doing it.
I was incapable. It just it wasn't interesting to me,
It wasn't creative to me. It just didn't work for me.
(45:21):
So you have to know who you are.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Why, by the way, do you know who set me
on the path of the structure of which I used today,
Don Rickles. I became friendly with.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Don, but I'll bet you he never had an a
to z No he.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Has from the approach. So we're at the toy Story
three dinner. There was a dinner before the movie came out,
and he actually requested for me to sit next to him,
and we weren't tight at this point, so I obviously
was so.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Of course I didn't even know what it was a kid.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I So I was like, really, I didn't believe it.
And I sat next to him. He was so happy,
and it was his wife and Marla was there. But
Marla knew sitting there that I was not going to
be available to her at any point during that meal.
And we talked and talked, and then he told me
the structure.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
That he uses, which is what I'm you.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Go up and you hit him hard. Jack Benny as
another piece of ice. Didn't give it to me, but
I heard it, and I follow that that's the only deviation.
You go out and hit him hard with the best
you got, then you do whatever you want, and you
end with your rabbi piece. By rabbi piece, he meant
a very sincere kind not well for me, not Maudlin.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
He could get a little more different period generation, but
I would get.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Every time I close my show now and I'm totally sincere,
I thank the audience how much they meant to me,
and I hope I've meant something to you, and then
my last line is all right, now back to my
life of shame and regret. Yeah, so that's a structure
I used. The one other thing that I took. There's
(47:07):
these comedy recordings with all the great comedians being interviewed.
Oh really, Jack Benny talked about he would watch comedians
and knew they were not going to go anywhere, and
he was asked why. He said, because they go up
and they go right into their act.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
When you go up, he doesn't feel. They don't feel
what the audience needs.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And the audience, by the way.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not even the audience. You want the audience, what
is the audience? They want the audience to get a
sense of you and where you're at on that particular,
get to know you just a little bit, see that
you're human, and then hit them with your hearts.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
But it's also you know, audiences are so interesting and
this is something we could talk about for hours. But
from the second you walk on the stage, the audience
has a feeling about you, from the way you take
the mic, from the way you stay. And for me,
it was always that you have to have comenfidence for
the minute you walk on that.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Smell it if you don't.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But the exception is if you're famous, they'll give you
about a minute. You got a minute of reprieve.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And by the way, sixty seconds is a long nine.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
But they'll give you that minute, which is very generous
because they dig you in whatever role you play. But
after that minute.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
You bet it will hurt your gun, that's right, you
bet it away.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
And you have to be in control.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's you have to be vulnerable and
confident at the same time. For me, you do.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
It's a hard job.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Okay, back to the show.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, back to the show. So we're almost done.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I mean, so we see you're letting the air out
of Thor's tires.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
He walks up. That's it. We don't we don't need
to know.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
If you beat the ship out of you, he's obviously
going to beat the shit out of you.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
And then Larry is at home, and you know the
whole thing about he and Jason can't decide where to meet.
And Cheryl goes through the mail and she says, are.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
You expecting something from the city?
Speaker 4 (49:00):
No, can I open it?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Oh my god, And there's the ticket with a camera
from the light, with Larry driving, and all you see
is your mother. Cheryl doesn't know, is your mother her
big fat ass sitting there.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Well by the way in that moment, because remember when
she first did it, he turned and he saw it,
and then he turned back and discussed. Of course the
picture was taking it at the moment when he turned
and he saw it. So she sees him looking at the.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Ass, and of course, in typical curve fashion, we have
already established the ash fetish ash fetish.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
But it all it starts somewhere you don't know where
it's going going, and then it's all tied up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And yet when you see it in retrospect, it's obvious
where it's going but it's not right.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Well, it wasn't for me back then. When I read
the outlines before the season started, I didn't know where
they were going to end. And sometimes I was like
blown away that I couldn't believe that he was smart
enough to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, the reading the outlines is an experience that most
people won't have. But when you read it, you just
marvel at it, like how did he get there? How
did he get there?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, and he's not a savant because off camera he's
supremely intelligent.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yes, yes, where does he pick this up?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
It's like this guy, at all times, comedically or personally,
is super intelligent. And I think I mentioned but we've
made about fifty bets over the years, and no exaggeration,
I've never won one of them.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Really, Oh no, no, this is he has won.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I will tell you the flip side. I'm always paying
for our valet parking and he's never paid me back,
like I give him money for his car.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And anyhow, I was just saying this always always intelligence.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But this is why I think Larry is a genius.
And I use that word very carefully because when I
read the outlines and I have comedy brain. You have
comedy brain. It's transcendent. I don't know how to don't comedy,
and the transcendence is what makes a genius.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, you don't. And we'll discuss it more next time.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
With that episode three, season two. And I said two
in a way that might not have sounded good to
our listeners. Too much of it on the tledge apologize
and don't forget. You have a money back guarantee if
the show irritates you at any point, which I'm assuming
everything I say, truly talk about a shame and regret.
(51:44):
You think I don't go home from these recordings and
fill with shame and regret.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Really, you see I don't feel that well of.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Course, because you're not disturbed like I am. I'm envious
of you.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
We'll see you next time, folks.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Thanks everybody.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Episode two of season two, Yes four four which, by
the way, I have a nephew whose name is Thor,
but it's pronounced tour.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
If I said that, you should definitely not believe me.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But I'm telling you that.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I know you're telling me the truth, but I that
is insanity.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And we started on.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I was just in the bathroom and they had sugarcane
toilet see covers sugar cane.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm supposed to lick the toilet.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I ate one. It was sweet and delicious.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we we start out and Larry is meeting Jeff
at a hotel coffee shop, right, and clearly it's a hotel.
You could tell it's a hotel, right, And Jeff tells
Larry that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hold on, one second, here is it me? Or is
Larry wearing something? Because I made a note collar is huge.
I think it was me in that scene. I'm looking
at the shirt and the collar is so not even
of its time.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was just going to say, was that its time?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
No, it was you know you No collars were like
that since maybe the seventies, and it's gigantic and pointing
on the end.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, wardrobe is so important, right in all kinds
of shows.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, by the way our wardrobe person I just complimented
the other day about what you were wearing.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
If bar wardrop person, now, yeah, yes, chilling, leslie, brilliant.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, but by the way she actually is all your outfits,
you stop in your tracks and you go, what the fun.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You complimented her on that pearl outfit? I bet one
you just wore.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, because she clearly devised that outfit and you'll see
it obviously this season when it comes out, and it
was hilarious but subtle, but subtle exactly, no, but hilarious
and so subtle with your outfits.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
There are times in fittings when you know, we'll put
things together, and my fittings are very fun by the way.
I will put things together and we'll look at each
other and we'll say too much, and then we laugh
because it's like, is it ever too much for Susie,
and yes, it is sometimes too obvious exactly, you know,
so the subtlety is very I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wear early in this this season that just killed me.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I know what it was? What was It was true
out fit?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh yes, I mean that was like I was. I
couldn't even look at you without laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
All right, okay, so you inform Larry that you have
left Susie. Now what's interesting is why would we divorce
so early in the season. And the response is, I
didn't know that my character was going to be here
twelve seasons later.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well, by the way, this is the first true Susie moment.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well the lawyer in season one when the Fresh Air kid,
you know, robs our house.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, but by the way, anybody would with the other
set this one. You've kicked him out. You are furious
and you take it on Larry and he doesn't want
to do this. That's why it's the favor if you will.
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's starting to develop. But I was a day player.
I had no contract. I didn't know from season to
season if I was going to be in the show,
how many episodes I was going to be in. Not
until way way later, was that different.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, I think it was well thought out and well
planned that we would have at this point when he
wrote it, he knew it would be good for the episode,
and there was no thought. Okay, but you say day player,
like it could have ended. No, it was working clearly.
Larry is not stupid, you know, and so there was
(04:04):
no risk. It was like, let's try this. I think
it's hilarious, and it was. It was, And then that
flipped the dominoes. If you will for the way you
are all the way.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Through to today, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, by the way, can I also say I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Think that there was a plan in Larry's head that
you know, because every season we never knew we were
going to do another season never.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But also there wasn't this specific plan to where we've
ended up today. But he it was a spark in
his eye that he saw you. Yes, yes, but by
the way, I was thinking yesterday when we filmed that
scene by the staircase, and ultimately you tell him to
leave the house, he's still after all these years, loses it.
(04:47):
He can't control laughing. When you start saying that to him,
he just falls apart.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You then, how many times have I kicked him out
of the house, which is my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The first one I think was the house. If I'm
not mistaken, that was the first time where you said
get out that I remember, Well, we'll find out. These
are all well find out. But the fact that you
kill him on that all these years, because the first
time you did it he couldn't control himself.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Now he still laughs, he's really hard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, the fact that I make Larry laugh has given
me a job all these years. Yes, yes, So Jeff
and Susie are getting a divorce and Jeff is afraid
that Susie is going to tell people about his sexual pecadillos.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's a tone for the episode.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It does, and it's about sexual blackmail. Yeah, And it's
an interesting subject because I've experienced this where people have
told me sexual piccadillos about x's and I think it's
so wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh it is so wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh no, I've been the victim of that, in other words,
being told and you're like, no, don't tell me. If
a friend's cheating on his wife, do not tell me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I really like and respect enough I hate their wife.
I say, good for you, but most.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Of them you don't want the information.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
No, and even then you don't want the information. So
it's like, I really dig and respect your wife, I
don't want this information in my head when I talk
to her next time, because it's just gonna be pity.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Or I had I had somebody tell me once who
many many years ago, way before my husband Jimmy tell
me I started dating this guy in an ex girlfriend
of his told me intimate things about his sexuality, just
that it was cruel and it made me dislike her intensely.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh, by the way, how could you not so like?
You know, you always have this way too much information.
That's information that is unneess particularly wrong, pig baller wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But Jeff is afraid that Susie is going to turn
him in and sexual blackmail, and Larry says that's why
he's never done anything remotely kinky, and by the way
he's comput it on the bottom, it's the kinkiest he's
ever done.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But by the way in that conversation he is so
curious as to what I might be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, you you, I think your character in many episodes
acts out his fantasies for him most certainly, And then
you say to him, not even with your wife. He says,
I treat her like an acquaintance. She has nothing to
say at all.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I treat her like an aquaint by the way.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Richard Lewis, Larry David, they come up with this stuff,
where you go, where did that come from? Yea, you
know how did you? Yes? But I can't be amazed
that my own skill had Yeah, because I think I
said to the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Of the matter is all of us come up with with.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Stinga Where did you pull that out?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
What crevis was that pulled out of? I mean the
way what's her name is doing the show now.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I was just going to say that about vince
baughn you know, pull stuff out? Where does this come from?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Tracy God a couple of them being drunk and going
to the city council meeting and saying what I don't
want to tell you because I want you to no, no,
but I want them to watch it and be surprised
by it. But she says two things in the episode
we're working on two different scenes, no same scene. She says,
these two gems that I'm Larry and I were talking
(08:22):
about it laughing because it was like, wow, where did
that come from so specific, and she's delightful, as I'm
apt to add.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And it's not something you can teach.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
No, no, no, no, that you cannot teach. That's why
Larry and Richard where they come up with these phrases,
what were you playing cards with Mengola? Wasn't that from
last season when he was racist or something? Larry met
the guy on the beach the black yea, yeah, but
these are I treat her as an acquaintance. Hilarious, Hilario's
(08:57):
and he made it up in the moment. You know,
that's what you're like, What it's not in the script? Well? Nothing,
by the way, well now they're much longer, but back
in those days they were like seven pages long.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They were seven pages long.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. Now they're in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So now Jeff asks Larry to do him a huge
favor because Jeff is now living in the hotel and
he wants Larry to go pick up his clothes and
bring his clothes to the hotel and Larry Larry asks
if Susie will be home, and Jeff says yes. Larry's
shall lead me alive about Susie. I always love when
(09:36):
my character is talked about right.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That's gotta be fun.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I always enjoy that look at him.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sending out a message of the way he's going to
develop your character. When he says she'll eat me alive,
he's establishing what you're about to do. And that's what
I'm saying. The other appearance says you're angry at the
fresh Air Fund, but.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The other with my parents, you were very nice. And
it is this season later on when we'll get to
it in the double hall the moment. It's one of the.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Reasons why the Dollar is my favorite episode, because this
is when you really establish the fear that Jeff and
Larry they live in.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Huge fear, huge fear. We can't even speak in front
of you sometimes. And we even just found that. We
felt one yesterday. We got painted into a corner and
we didn't know what to do when we looked at
each other, and we had to come up with some
stupid bullsh and it's.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Always and I see right through you by the way.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You said that right away, and you've said that many
times before.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So Larry says he will do the favor, and Larry's
now home and Cheryl is, you know, they're they're sitting
around at breakfast or something eating and Cheryl is reading an.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Article about Triple A.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh yeah, and the political agenda of Triple A about
their environmental and I was definitely based on Larry's wife,
who was La, who was.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Not even based. I actually asked, that's fact. That was
fact at that time. I don't know what they are now,
but at that time that was factual information.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And Laurie was a huge environmental.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And Larry heard that exact information and.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
From Laura saying that Triple A, you know, destroys the
environment and they just want to get more members and
more people driving and pollution and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And Cheryl, you know, goes off on a tie rate
about this.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But but by the way he took it as if
she's going blo blah blah. He didn't even pay attention.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Didn't even pay attention because.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And something's wrong with Triple A. He's not going to
hang on every note of that information.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And then Cheryl's and he's not really responding, and then
Cheryl says to him.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Why are you so quiet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Think about sex?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
How are you talking about now.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Whenever you're quiet, you usually thinking about sex.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I'm not thinking about sex, You're not kind of not
thinking about your little afternoon sex or something.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'm just crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's kind of kinky. You think I'm kinky? Do you
think you're kinky? Well, you just said that's kind of kinky.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You think I'm kinky.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm not kinky.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I'm just saying, or you don't want to have sex
in the afternoons, kind.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Of I want to have sex in the afternoon?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Did I that's what you said?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Why do you say that going.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
On in there that you don't ever like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like sick things going on?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is that what you're sick?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Do you think there's sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Are there sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why are you so quiet? What are you thinking about?
Are you thinking about sex?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No? No, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because he's afraid of the sexual blackmail. We've already established that.
And then she says, are you thinking about afternoon sex.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What she clearly wants in this scene? Yes, and he
doesn't do it because he.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Was just she says to him, whenever you're quiet, you're
thinking about sex. And then she says the afternoon sex
kind of kinky, and she's saying that in the four
play kind of playful way, and right away he gets defensive,
I'm not kinky, I'm not kicky, and he gets like
fearful and defensive with his own wife. Cozy trees are
like in a quaint right, and Larry says, do you
think there are sick twisted things going on?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And he's thinking about you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Obviously that whole scene is so funny, and then he
goes to call Jason to talk about the show. And
this is where they established this whole thing. And Jason
asks Larry to come to his office.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right and well.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Which is in the valley, which we know Larry lives
on the west side, and it's far and it's studio city.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Is this when his tire goes out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Real, Yes, okay, And Larry's like, it's never in Larry's office.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He never has a meeting.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
He's never never, I'm always traveling and he's nonplus that
he has to schlep to Jason's office, but he does
because he's accommodating. And as he's driving to go meet
Jason in his office, he drives past Wanda doing a
power walk in the neighborhood and he yells out at
her quite innocently.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Il M, I know that tush anywhere, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Don't think he's being lecherous one iota. I mean it's
something I would say to somebody, a friend, and she
just keeps walking and just whatever. And then he's driving
along and there are kids in the back of a
station wagon.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
What kind of car was that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's an old one of those wooden panels, station wagoneer
or some I remember so well, sitting in the back
of the station wagon making faces out the back window.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean in my childhood. I remember that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
By the way, it brings up nausea, nausea to me.
Why I was in a car accident sitting in the back?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Can I can?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I just say to our audience, because some of you
might be young, Not only did we not have car
seats for kids, we didn't have seatbelts, which.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Were great because when your mom wanted to hit you
in the all over exactly freedom.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And but we would be just flailing around back there.
There was no seatbelt, just flailing around.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And so I was. I got into an accident, and
I remember I'd come from an ice cream place we
had crossed this intersection. We were hit. The back opened
up and my cousin and I flew out of the
back seat about maybe i'll say, fifty yards and landed
on pebble and so I had a lot of I
low you ten.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Uh huh, And I got.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Caught up pretty good, but I was fine. I remember
laying on the ground going, Mommy, I know. But what
I want to say is I even remember flying in
the air and seeing him flying in there next to me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Was okay, he was fine too. You're both but you
remember saying it was.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
All very It's all. It all stays with me, every detail.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Maybe that was the beginning, Jeff, of what whatever, What
the are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Some some kind of neurosis or some kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Oh, that's what you're talking about. And by the way,
is that a neurosis thinking about a car accident.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Some kind of fear, some kind of mommy issue, some
kind of I don't know, I'm just throwing it.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Out, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
All that didn't come to fruition until I was in
my twenties. And by the way, when I look back at.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
My repressed no, there was nothing really.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Repressed at that age. But starting in high school. It
became a lot of noise in my head and then later.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
On the pebbles.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
But you're hooking on this accident that that caused brain injury,
and that was different.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
We'll see a future episode.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
What do you keep saying? Well, see leave me alone?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So the three boys are in the back of the
station wagon making faces at Larry, and Larry starts to
play along with them, right, you know, making faces.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
But he sweet and he's enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He enjoying it, and then he but then he starts.
I forgot who started with the shooting. Larry starts with
the shooting, big shooting. All the kids did the kids? Okay,
kids start with the fake shooting. Larry starts with the
fake shooting, and all of a sudden, you see the
kid's face change.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They seem upset and they turn around.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You read it as they were getting their father to
be worked up to do something.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I don't think they were freaked out because he'd been
playing with them, But I think they're like, you know,
we're going to get this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, Braddy. Little kids.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And this is something that I noticed that I had
forgotten about the car stops and then we hear that
spaghetti western and we see when.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We see the cowboy boots.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And I didn't know that that spaghetti western music was
used because that then became my theme, right, So I
was a little upset by the way walking.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Towards the car. He was a big guy and obviously
well built when we filmed it, and obviously a nice man.
But that being said, when he first got out and
he's walking towards Larry, I'm like, is Larry ping in
his pants? This guy's gigantian.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, Larry rolls up the window. Yeah, he rolls up
the window like the coward that he is. And you know,
the cowardliness is such a comedic. You know, all the
way back to Bob Hope and Jack Benny and Woody Allen,
they all played that cowardly role, which is a comedic.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Goal.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, it is really funny.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And this guy long blonde.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Because I'm big and powerful and just a strong, strong,
imposing man doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Big and powerful, okay, imposing, And this guy long blonde hair,
you know, clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Buff, but he does look like a professional wrestler.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He does.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I think that's why we hired him. We looked at
a lot of people who, you know, Larry wanted to
establish the second we see him, like, oh, is this
guy a professional wrestler because the other guys were big whatever,
but they didn't have that groove like this, the.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Long hair, the whole thing, the Viking look, the whole Yeah. Yeah,
And he calls Larry a ball turd, and he tells
him he's gonna talking to him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, exactly, he's talking to him like, you know, Uh,
there's a guy named Gordon Solely when I was a
kid in Florida. You know, I'm Gordon Solely, and he'd
have a wrestler on each side of him arguing with
each other. And that was like taken straight from that.
It might have even been dialogue that he'd done before.
Oh really, I think, you know, not in real life,
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but I'm saying in terms of.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
This guy wasn't really a wrestler? Was he the actor?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I think he was just a gentle love maker.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, one does not preclude the other.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So Larry's traumatized because this big man is threatening him
and he's going to stick his finger up his finger
and we move.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
On, Hold on, no, no, no, we don't move on. He
disappears behind the car the wrestler, and remember Larry's like, looking,
what did he possibly do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's right, that's that and we're about to find out.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Right, he disappears behind Larry's car and we don't know
what he did. But soon Larry hears a little rattling
sound and he's got a flat tire. Obviously this guy
let the air out slash his tires something, and Larry
then decides to call Triple A because what do you
do when you have a flat tire?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But Triple A has been canceled and.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
His apparently his wife canceled it, who she had no
authorization to cancel, and he tries to re up it
but he can't, so he decides he's gonna change his
own tire. He opens his trunk clueless, which he in
real life I believe would be yes.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, by the way he's told us about he's anything mechanical,
it's not a stretch to think he couldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And he's there's a whole scene, you know, different people
walk by, one of which was Dort, who is our
prop master at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
By the way, one of the recurring themes is someone
would give him a little piece of information.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You got to loosen the lug nuts more. You're gonna
bust your bumper.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Move on.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I never took a shop class. And then he starts
to offer people money, thirty five dollars five and then
just ten dollars for a verbal response. And it's just
on and on, and it's a hilarious scene and just
establishing the lariness of his life and and how he's
you know, his wife is sabotaging him. Then he shows
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up at Jason's office and he's filthy from trying to
his face from trying to change, you know, change the dryer,
the tire. And Jason knows who this guy is because
he tells him about the license plate said Thor And
Jason said, oh, that's Thor Olsen.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He's a professional wrestler. He tells Larry.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And also then another important thing that's established. He sees
the ticket on Jason's desk, the ticket from the camera.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh yeah, He hands Larry that. What is that? I
hate taking pictures? This is the domino effect of Larry's
writing correct where it goes over and.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's the light camera. There's a camera on the light
by the way.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I had that before. Yeah, of course, I guess I
went through a red I did, otherwise it wouldn't take
my picture. I went through a red light and had
my picture sent to me.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And by the way, nobody looks really good in those.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, Jesus I'm fat when he looks at the picture.
This is a fantastic scene with Jason. Larry's all famished
from the tire and everything, and they're going to make
the meeting tomorrow, right, And then they go back and
forth about whose office they're going to have the meeting in.
And this is a Jason brilliant scene, I think, don't you.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
The way he plays in Associate And we made a plan.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And the plan didn't work, and so they said, you'll
come back and we'll do it first.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're going to do the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And it's back and forth and back and forth and back,
and it's just it's a brilliant little piece of improv scen.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
We made a plant plan. We said, we'll meet at
my office, right and we'll have a meeting. Yeah, that's
the plan that hasn't been accomplished. Let's accomplish that.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
That's all we attempted to have the meeting, but it was.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
A board and we failed. Let's have that meeting. Let's happen.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
We we're having that meeting right now.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is not a meeting about the show. This is
a meeting about having a meeting.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
I know. But the intention is the same, don't you understand.
I drove here with the same intention.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The driving is not the meeting.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
The driving is what we're driving is The driving is
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You keep coming back to this insane thing we're driving. Yes,
driving is not the issue, do we not? The driving
is a issue.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Plan We were gonna have a meeting, a meeting.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You can train it all the world.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's so this scene, here's my last episode. I gave
my fun fact thing and that's this scene. This scene
we started filming after lunch two thirty three o'clock in
the morning. We had shot the scene because it was
right outside of Jason's office where we did the tire thing,
which is where he was, so he'd done that earlier.
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And they're in the office and Larry couldn't control his laughing,
including Jason pointing out why he's dirty, Jason saying everything
he said to him. Larry was tickled. The scene started
out it's supposed to be day, but we went into
the night. It's the hardest I've ever seen Larry laugh
for an extended period. He cost us maybe two hours
(24:26):
of his laughing because he couldn't recover. It wasn't like
laugh and go back, which is normal for him, but
not like this, because he knew he loves when.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
They did not recover for many many takes.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Oh yes, but I'm telling you, Susie, this was beyond
anything I'd ever experienced with him. Yeah, so we had
to like the outside to look like day, yet it's
pitch blackout like it took that long. But Larry loves.
Here's you know, this is the thing with you. Larry
loves when other characters see the insaneness of what Larry's
(25:02):
doing and pointed out to him, you know, so you
won't see this on camera, but off camera, Larry giggles
and he just loves that this was insanity. This was
actually people getting mad at him because it was like,
what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What the fuck? And I would say professional.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I would say to Larry, look at his forehead, don't
look at his face, you know, not that that's not
part of a face. All right, I hope that was
a fun fact for everyone. There might be future fun facts.
I'm not going to guarantee it. The only thing I
guarantee is that I don't remember the guarantee I made
less your money back, guarantee money back. But I'm what
of the Pomber.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But this scene in particular, this struck me as just
this is why we improvised this show.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yes, a thing of beauty. I love that scene so much.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If people out there watch that scene right and learn,
I don't know what you could learn because you don't
have Jason and Larry's brains.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But whatever, We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Tim Kazerinski an old friend of mine Second City saren
It Live. He was doing and has been on Curb
Yes as what's his name is, Hugh Hugh. He spoke
at Second City when I was a young improviser there
and all these improvisers were in a room hanging on
us everybody. This guy was on saren It Live. He
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had a huge part in Neighbors Anyhow, loved it. Someone
brings up they ask me about Eddie Murphy and he says,
let me tell you all something. There are no other
better improvisers, better actors, and all of you will never
come close. He said this, and I only wanted to
(26:54):
yell for I swear. This overcame me, but I didn't
do it, considering I have ADHD it was amazing. I
didn't do it, but I wanted to yell.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Oh I do I will?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know, And by the way, having done a movie
with Eddie Murphy, yes, I was in awe of his
talent where it made me think like, how the fuck
does he do that? But I held my own with him,
and you know the way he said that none of
you will come close.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know when I was before I started doing stand
up and I was lost. I was just had no
idea what I was supposed to do. I thought I
was wanted to be an actress and I would take
acting class and I was totally bored and no idea.
Somebody encouraged me to take an improv class. Oh really, yes,
And I took an improv class and it was like
revelatory to me. I was really good at it. I
(27:41):
had no idea I was good at it. You know,
you do the freeze tag and I jump in and
was like, this is a whole part of myself.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I had no idea about it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Kay, you're saying this. Larry David told me yesterday that
he didn't realize he was funny at all.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was doing intege to college, right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Wow, I mean And for me, I knew I was
funny starting in nursery school, and by eleventh grade it
was what I was going to do and you couldn't
stop me. So every year it was a matter of
pride that I was the funniest kid in school.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah he was not that. No, not many of our.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Peers are that. I was lucky to know that I
was on a journey that was meant to be. It
would have been sad, by the way, if I was
one of those unfunny people and I had that. And
by the way, you know where I decided this is,
you know, maybe kind of lame, but kind of cool.
I knew that I was going to move forward and
do this, and I was meant to do this because
(28:36):
after I saw the Blues Brothers, which moved me incredibly,
and I felt such a kinship and I recognize a
lot of Chicago and of course Beluci and Ackroyd and
I mean John Candy, you know who wants an orange
whip and an orange whip, which I've repeated that line
a million times. Anyhow, when I got in the car
and two guys that I'm still friends with, the Astro Brothers,
(29:00):
they said, what did you think of it? And I,
without hesitating, I said, I'm on a mission from God.
They go they laughed, and I go, no, no, no,
I'm being serious, which is a big line from the
movie We're on a mission from God and it becomes
an epiphany for Jake or Elwood. Elwood was acrod and
so in the car, I kept saying I'm on a
mission from God, and they said, what is it? Actually,
(29:22):
I said this, which I'm embarrassed about. I'm going to
be a famous comedian. And by the way, they didn't
laugh when I said that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So you had never done stand up at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
No, and very young. My friend Robin Siegel's mother, I
mean seventeen eighteen nineteen would encourage me to go up
and do stand up and that was really daunting the
idea of doing it. But I remember her as the
only person in my life that encouraged me. Not that
I was discouraged by people laughed at me, but she
(29:52):
was the only one.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Going, hey, hey, that's doing to do? Yeah, and I
listened to her finally, I hope you thanked her.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So now we're going to get back to the episode.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Oh well, now you're saying that, implying that I have
knocked the whole show off track.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Look at me, check, I walked at me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I thought, now, by the way, everybody's.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Did nice say to you yesterday that I like when
we go off on our tangents.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, but it didn't seem like you did. But right
now it seemed like, now, everybody, I'm going to get
him back on track. But guess what, miss reading, No,
I'm back on track now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Larry goes home and he yells at Cheryl about canceling
Triple A and then he says he's got to go
change because he's a mess looking from changing the tire
and go to Jeff's house to get his clothes. Then
Cheryl says him, why did you tell Wanda she has
a big ass? And I don't think he did tell
Wanda she had a big by.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The way, that's what it felt like to her what
she thought he was doing, which is what we live
with now. You know, they know you said, I'm not
talking about women, I'm talking about anybody who feels that
they have and abused in that way. So everyone assumes that,
and no, he meant it as a.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gentle Yes, it was a friendly remark.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I was being chummy, Yeah, he says, I was being
I like big asses, he says, and then they start
having a fight about ass size, and then Cheryl accuses
him of having an ass fetish, and then he gets
back to I'm not a devian, I'm not kinky, and
you know all of that stuff, and which goes back
to the original scene with you in the beginning about
the sexual blackmail. Right, He's very fearful of the sexual
(31:30):
black mail. And then Wanta comes over and she, you know,
starts going after him.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's how you say hello, by the way she walked.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
In the door, and she announced herself, this is who
I am on the show. I will not change one
iota from this moment until many seasons later. Yeah, this
is what I bring and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Wanda, Oh, you know why I am Okay, So I
had to turn around show you my big ass.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
You completely completely misinterpret that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I didn't say big as, I.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Didn't say big as.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I was just saying hello. I was just trying. Is
that how you say hello?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Is that it?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Hey big ass?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Or hey?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Ask hey?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I know your asked?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
What what? What is that?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
That's not how you say hello with it? Perhaps not
so something about my ass has made you download and
you stored it in your memory.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
No, no, that's not so.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
That we were having this. Did you tell him how
wrong it is you say something like that. I told
you know, a woman's ass is very personal.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He was so obsessed with asses you.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
As a finished he finished, okay, obsessed with asses?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I'm not obsessed with okay?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
And what is that that ship all over you?
Speaker 5 (32:50):
What you've been doing scrounging around looking for asses all
under bleachers and saying all his ass?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Exactly? You're establishing that relationship there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But from the very beginning, boom, like what Cheryl's is
not the same? Yours wasn't the same? Wanda when she
comes in boom?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Okay, So then Larry goes to our house and I
answered the door.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Now, let me say something about my outfit here.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's not fully Susie Green yet, but it started to
develop that look that I had wanted. And I remember
saying to Wendy, who was our wardrobe person at the time,
what I wanted this woman to look like.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I had this idea, and she didn't fully get it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I wanted her to look like those Russian women in
Brighton Beach in Brooklyn, her dress in these kinds of
very outrageous, out there ways. And I remember Wendy saying
to me, where would I get those clothes? And I said,
the back room of Lomans, which no longer exists, and
I had to take her on a little field trip
to Lomans. She'd never heard of Lomans, so she didn't,
(33:53):
well whatever. A lot of people haven't at this point.
But if you're my wage and you grew up in
New York, you know all about.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
The first episode and later on this season it is
glued and it is established. But this is the first
episode that Larry and I are scared of you, right,
and you hammer Larry about me and at Larry in
the classic Susie way. We know it's now classic, but
we have not said it is the one. You were
very nice and you're yeah with the fresh air fun
(34:24):
kid who brought us that that was deserved? Who wouldn't
be excited in a situation like that.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So this is where you start to see what a
crazy woman she is. Right and Anna asked if that
whole tyrant that I did was improvise.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yes, everything is improvised.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, everything is improvised on the show.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
There's a couple of things that will come up that
will tell you when they happen in later seasons that
were scripted for a reason.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
But by the way, in terms of scripted, they're not
scripted at all. But there might be a line that
he writes down, and by the way, I get maybe
a half dozen lines a season, so I'll be damned
if I'm not going to deliver it perfect. And it's
usually a line not even you know, what do you mean?
(35:08):
There's a line Jeff says which rarely appears. So when
he writes that, I feel a sense of.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Duty to say that.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'll get lines like that where we'll be like Susie
tells Larry to go fuck himself. Those are the lines
that I get, which I usually do anyway. I answer
the door, Susie answers the door. Oh, Jeff's messenger boy
is here, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
From the top, right, from the top line from the top.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
We know what's going on, and you know, on and
on about your little bimbo actresses. You're getting blow drops
and I was like, no, no, and then I hand
Larry your porn stash and on the.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Porn stay comes up later.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yes, in another episode not even the season, right, and
that we focus on big ass Mama was in your well,
actually there was the porn stash in the porno Gill
episode to get it out.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yes, is that we already pass that? Yeah, yeah, we did, that, says.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I know that guy when my parents walk in.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, that's that. That was the odin Kirk that Karen.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I don't remember discussing that particular scene.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And by the way, there's some great things from Louis
in this episode.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Louis and I, oh yeah, yeah, well we get to
that the rotten I love the rut. You know, you're
into that big ass stuff. And no, I recognize that woman.
And then I go into this hall. How you defile
me and you violate me? You know what, Jeff does
I do the sexual blackmail?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What reaction?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
No, no, no, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Please, I beg of you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And while we're in the middle of this, who walks
in your parents?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
But it's not while we're in the middle. We go
down You go downstairs, Larry, you open the door and
there are your in laws, whose child you just kicked
out of your hand, doubt And but by the way
you're so kind to them.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, I have a relationship. What I'm saying that a position, yeah,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And Louis, Louis and I who plays your dad? I
don't know that we ever had names for them, did
we be your parents?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't remember mom and dad. We just called them
You've done something rotten.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But that's an opening line. And the way he says rotten,
by the way, I'm watching it now and I'm laughing,
laugh hard at the way he says rotten.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean he was great. I love and that
was great casting for him as your father. I told, right, yeah, yeah,
we loved him.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And then Mina wants to go with Larry right to
the hotel to see her little baby boy she's so
worried about.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And Louis stays with me, why did you have to
put those clothes of Jeff just throw them back?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Why did you throw them in the trunk on top
of a dirty old tire.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Why that's obviously something wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's the question that is wrong. Why would anybody do that?
Person wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I don't have a closet in my house. I'm just
used to throwing things.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Around like that and throwing them on the floor.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I throw them on the floor. That's how all my
clothes at home all on the floor. I don't even
have a bed. I sleep on a big pile of clothes.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Well, it's just disgusting.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I'm a disgusting man.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Who I can see that?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Why?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
She's in the car. She's hilarious with him in the car.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And he's doing his best to ignore.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Why did you throw those clothes on the floor?
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Why not his mother in law? And he still is
dealing with it in a way of like.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Kill me exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
And she is the mother in law terrific magic, you know.
And he says to her, but she's like why why?
He says, I'm a disgusting man, and.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
He starts playing with her questions.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
And then I forget why she wanted to look for
a pen? Do you remember why she wanted to look
for a pen?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
No, there was something.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
She saw a.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Sign, that's right.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
She wanted to write something down, so she wants to
look for a pin. So she turns around to go
into the back.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Larry tells her there's a pen in.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The backseat and her ass is in the air. While
she's rummaging around in the back seat, Larry makes.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Her face, having no idea where this is going.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This is going.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And then they get to the hotel and Larry uh,
he carries the clothes in and minded that your mother's
just rambling, rambling, rambling. And then he sees Thor in
the hotel. And Jason had established we hadn't said this,
that there was a wrestling match in town.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yes, big.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Also we're skipping that. In the parking lot when he parked.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He saw the car, the station wagon with Thor, And
again Jason had established it there's a big wrestling convention
or meat.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Or whatever they do.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It was a match, a.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Match, okay, and and minus cow beautiful hotel.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But she goes up to the room mute. Then you
come down.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
No, no, I don't go up them. I sent her
up with them.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's you meet them.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then you send her up to the hotel down
And then Larry spots Thor and he says, to you,
remember you said you owed me one. I'm going to
take you up on it. And you you know it's
a bizarre request. He wants you to let the air
out of the tires, right. I go to it now,
really very accommodating.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Because a word's a word, you know, and you.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Know also this is your relationship with him, you're best friends, manager, clients.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Mostly it's me getting him in trouble, but quite often
he gets me correct.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But it's a YouTube in codes always yeah, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Right back, stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
He tells you go do it now, and then he
watches Thor walk away, and he goes to talk to
the kids.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Which is that voice that he uses when he knows
he's full of shit, the nodding, the smile.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wrestling is fixed.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, your dad's an actor.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yes, the winners are predetermined.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And it also goes to show and I do agree
the kids don't recognize him because now he saw him
through the car. But I guarantee they do that to
a lot of people, you know, make the something because
they're entertained by their dad's reaction. But they're horrified he
has mit them, and even when he walks away, the
look on their faces is like.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well, they thought their dad was something, and now he's
telling their dad the dad about it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Now they're going to ask him about now what he's
not going to enjoy. However, you feel like, is he
going to walk in on Larry? Like there's tension there.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
There's a lot of tensions right there.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I was watching it even knowing what the ending is,
although I forget half the time what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
This was so long ago.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I was feeling him, the idea of him like turning
around and seeing him standing there right, you know it
was it was set up that way, but that's not
what happened. What happens is you are outside letting the
air out of the tires, and then we see those
cowboy boots, yeah, standing right.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
By the way. I thought, as I'm watching it, I
think it's wonderful that I'm silent.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Of course, I totally agree, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
May have done it in the scene. But one of
the things that I do on the show is when I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Caught hey hey, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And I'll talk to the person, you know, But I
didn't think it or or we kept it out.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I think he was too intimidating to do that.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well. I think that I at least did one take
where I didn't say anything, and that's what they use.
That's quite often.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Quite often we give a varite well almost always, yeah,
we do. We give a variety of choices, and then
you see what you know in editing, it's a completely
different thing because you see the flow of something and
the the way.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
What's fun about us doing something different when most of
the guest actors that come on the show do the
same thing every take, So for us we can rely
on knowing that that pitch is coming, like they're gonna
say that, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Going to be read by something different.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I'm not thinking out of the time what I'm going
to say. I just know they're going to say that. Again.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
It's hard sometimes to say the same thing take after take.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Hard sometimes. That's been my problem doing stand up for
forty years. I did one, I did a few one
man shows in Chicago, so I did this one my show,
my first one, I Want Someone to Cheese With, and
it was very successful. It kept on moving to bigger theaters,
and I hated the sound of my voice. I had
so much trouble doing it the same way, so I
(43:19):
began improvising, and by the end of the run, I
don't know what was even left from the beginning of
the run. Well, during this time, Jackie Mason was in
town doing a one man show, so I was invited
backstage and I tell him that I'm having trouble with
my show because I can't stay focused on the words.
I gotta change everything. And he says to me, what
(43:41):
are you a schmuck? You're a schmuck. You got a
hit show and you're messing around with it. You're a schmuck. Well,
for the rest of my career, I've continued to be
a schmuckcause he was all school, Jackie Mason, but also
very funny, brilliantly funny.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
And that first show he did, that first Way show
he did, was amazing. So one of the funniest things,
and one of the reasons why it was so brilliant
was because it was years and years and years of
material that he had honed. The subsequent shows were not
as good because it was they were still very funny.
But we were talking about this on set yesterday. Maybe
(44:18):
you weren't there I forgot who I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You was Jack you Mason? I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, we weren't talking about Jacum Mason. We were talking
about different stand ups. And some stand ups when they
get on stage, they know exactly what they're going to
do and what order they're going to do. And I
used to know what my opening line was going to
be because I was too nervous not to know. But
that was all I ever knew. Beyond that, I never
knew an order. I never had a preconceived notion of
(44:43):
what I was going to do. It would just all
happen in that moment on stage. You and I worked
similarly in that way. A lot of comics worked our way,
and a lot of comics there's no right or wrong,
they're mutually different.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well, I'm actually envious of anyone who can do a
full an a to Z.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I tried it when I would have so much anxiety
doing stand up, and part of it was because of
the way I worked right And I thought, well, maybe
if I had a set set, I wouldn't feel so
anxious and it wouldn't be so stressful. And I tried
it that way, and I was incapable of doing it.
I was incapable. It just it wasn't interesting to me,
It wasn't creative to me. It just didn't work for me.
(45:21):
So you have to know who you are.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Why, by the way, do you know who set me
on the path of the structure of which I used today,
Don Rickles. I became friendly with.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Don, but I'll bet you he never had an a
to z No he.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Has from the approach. So we're at the toy Story
three dinner. There was a dinner before the movie came out,
and he actually requested for me to sit next to him,
and we weren't tight at this point, so I obviously
was so.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Of course I didn't even know what it was a kid.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I So I was like, really, I didn't believe it.
And I sat next to him. He was so happy,
and it was his wife and Marla was there. But
Marla knew sitting there that I was not going to
be available to her at any point during that meal.
And we talked and talked, and then he told me
the structure.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
That he uses, which is what I'm you.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Go up and you hit him hard. Jack Benny as
another piece of ice. Didn't give it to me, but
I heard it, and I follow that that's the only deviation.
You go out and hit him hard with the best
you got, then you do whatever you want, and you
end with your rabbi piece. By rabbi piece, he meant
a very sincere kind not well for me, not Maudlin.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
He could get a little more different period generation, but
I would get.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Every time I close my show now and I'm totally sincere,
I thank the audience how much they meant to me,
and I hope I've meant something to you, and then
my last line is all right, now back to my
life of shame and regret. Yeah, so that's a structure
I used. The one other thing that I took. There's
(47:07):
these comedy recordings with all the great comedians being interviewed.
Oh really, Jack Benny talked about he would watch comedians
and knew they were not going to go anywhere, and
he was asked why. He said, because they go up
and they go right into their act.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
When you go up, he doesn't feel. They don't feel
what the audience needs.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And the audience, by the way.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not even the audience. You want the audience, what
is the audience? They want the audience to get a
sense of you and where you're at on that particular,
get to know you just a little bit, see that
you're human, and then hit them with your hearts.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
But it's also you know, audiences are so interesting and
this is something we could talk about for hours. But
from the second you walk on the stage, the audience
has a feeling about you, from the way you take
the mic, from the way you stay. And for me,
it was always that you have to have comenfidence for
the minute you walk on that.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Smell it if you don't.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But the exception is if you're famous, they'll give you
about a minute. You got a minute of reprieve.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And by the way, sixty seconds is a long nine.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
But they'll give you that minute, which is very generous
because they dig you in whatever role you play. But
after that minute.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
You bet it will hurt your gun, that's right, you
bet it away.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
And you have to be in control.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's you have to be vulnerable and
confident at the same time. For me, you do.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
It's a hard job.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Okay, back to the show.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, back to the show. So we're almost done.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I mean, so we see you're letting the air out
of Thor's tires.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
He walks up. That's it. We don't we don't need
to know.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
If you beat the ship out of you, he's obviously
going to beat the shit out of you.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
And then Larry is at home, and you know the
whole thing about he and Jason can't decide where to meet.
And Cheryl goes through the mail and she says, are.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
You expecting something from the city?
Speaker 4 (49:00):
No, can I open it?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Oh my god, And there's the ticket with a camera
from the light, with Larry driving, and all you see
is your mother. Cheryl doesn't know, is your mother her
big fat ass sitting there.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Well by the way in that moment, because remember when
she first did it, he turned and he saw it,
and then he turned back and discussed. Of course the
picture was taking it at the moment when he turned
and he saw it. So she sees him looking at the.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Ass, and of course, in typical curve fashion, we have
already established the ash fetish ash fetish.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
But it all it starts somewhere you don't know where
it's going going, and then it's all tied up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And yet when you see it in retrospect, it's obvious
where it's going but it's not right.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Well, it wasn't for me back then. When I read
the outlines before the season started, I didn't know where
they were going to end. And sometimes I was like
blown away that I couldn't believe that he was smart
enough to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, the reading the outlines is an experience that most
people won't have. But when you read it, you just
marvel at it, like how did he get there? How
did he get there?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, and he's not a savant because off camera he's
supremely intelligent.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yes, yes, where does he pick this up?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
It's like this guy, at all times, comedically or personally,
is super intelligent. And I think I mentioned but we've
made about fifty bets over the years, and no exaggeration,
I've never won one of them.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Really, Oh no, no, this is he has won.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I will tell you the flip side. I'm always paying
for our valet parking and he's never paid me back,
like I give him money for his car.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And anyhow, I was just saying this always always intelligence.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But this is why I think Larry is a genius.
And I use that word very carefully because when I
read the outlines and I have comedy brain. You have
comedy brain. It's transcendent. I don't know how to don't comedy,
and the transcendence is what makes a genius.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, you don't. And we'll discuss it more next time.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
With that episode three, season two. And I said two
in a way that might not have sounded good to
our listeners. Too much of it on the tledge apologize
and don't forget. You have a money back guarantee if
the show irritates you at any point, which I'm assuming
everything I say, truly talk about a shame and regret.
(51:44):
You think I don't go home from these recordings and
fill with shame and regret.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Really, you see I don't feel that well of.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Course, because you're not disturbed like I am. I'm envious
of you.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
We'll see you next time, folks.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Thanks everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
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