August 1, 2024 • 43 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss “The Benadryl Brownie” from Season 3 with a special appearance from Jon Hayman.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can watch the original episode we'll be discussing in
every other episode of HBO's Curby Your Enthusiasm, including the
new and final season, on Max. You can also watch
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the episode description. We're here today with John Haymen.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello. Hello, is a writer on Curby Your Enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Producer, an resulting producer. I consult, but if you have
a problem, you come to me and I consult.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
By the way you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Do, he does great, But for our purposes for season three,
he was not a producer.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He was an actor.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
He was I was.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I was an actor on two episodes, The Rare Opportunity
and by the way, having watched it, you're excellent. Okay, character, No,
let's get this straight.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, shut up at Yale. Stop stop stop.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
We'll discuss it when we get to your part.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But you were young and handsome and you were good.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
See I'm not buying into the young and handsome point.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was he came on in the street. Oh look
at the young John.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, No, he was young, not gonna say handsome, but
he wasn't ugly and also was handsome, and also to me,
it's more concerned with how great he did.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Can I just introduce for on season three, episode two,
the Benadrue Brownie and you are Jeff Garlin and I
am Susie Esmond and you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Are I know this. I know this John Haymon.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And Jeff is with us wearing a red Sox I mean,
I'm sorry, a white Sox cap. Yeah, and a Clippers sweatshirt,
which is kind of a mixed metaphor.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know here the white Sox hat. You know,
I'm a big Sox fan. I like the Socks. I'm
you know, the Cubs fans don't hate the socks.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
The socks, we don't when.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
They're yelling at each other. I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's pretty Johnny, you'll agree with me. We don't hate
the Mets. No, I like the Mets hate us. Yes,
we have no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Verse nationally americanly American. Anyhow, this hat represents for me
when I was a big Socks fan, which was the
very early seventies, and they had a player named Dick Gallen.
It was a player named Bill Milton, don't I remember.
You can't call it, by the way, Dick Gallen was
a badass, just a badass, and our listeners, I'm sure
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really curious anyhow the clipper shirt is I'm a I'm
a Clippers fanc He's holding the clippers.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
By the way. I have to say, yeah, no offense.
Although this will offend you. I think that's a violation
of wearing two teams. I wouldn't wear a Yankee hatta
violation of what of you like I'm wearing a black
Hawk's shirt. I'm not going to wear a Yankee hat
with it. I mean, what is No, you're showing one
thing that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The way I'm wearing crocs today, I have pants on crops,
are you Yeah, I'm went crocs and its basically called
I threw on what I wanted to throw on, which
was easy because I barely slept last night and I'm
happy to be here. Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And can I just say that Hayman is wearing sunglasses
for two reasons. One he forgot his regular glasses and
two it's an homage to our dearly departed friend Richard Belzer.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh okay, yeah it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, did he wear glasses all the time?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
He was very light sensitive, weren't he and Richard Lewis
argue about who invented wore the black because they both
wore black all the time. Yea, and I think there
was a bone of contentent, you know Lewis And yeah,
Lewis thinks everybody steals every time.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I know there's a comedian that he thinks stole his rhythms.
But Richard, I think was one of the great originals,
that's what he was. I think he saw Belzer and
went I'm gonna wear black.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that I wasn't taking sides.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think that they could have thought of it simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That you enjoy. All Right, So we started, we start away.
There's nothing worse than chit chat. It's like when I
listen to Howard Stern and the chit chat, I hate it.
I don't get what the program. All right, Susie, why are.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You holding it up unless it's entertaining? Okay?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So we start out the episode at the cell.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Depot, dating, dating, dating, and speaking of dating, Richard Lewis
tells Larry.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That he thinks he found his soulmate for the five.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Even then it was a ten thousand season two.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Exactly season three, and Larry's like, is this the one,
and Richard starts carrying on about how he loves her soul,
her looks, or around.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It gives one key piece of information, one of the
only downside I think of this color kin like, huh,
it's too blue lashy.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, she's a Christian scientist, and what it's a Christian
scientist is a Christian scientist.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And I'm and it's did you say, oh dear, I
don't think you've ever said that in your entire No one.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Ever told me any Christian scientists before, if.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Anything, I ever called for an oh dear Christian scientist.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
She's a Christian Christian scientist. And it's not about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Think of a worse thing for Richard the combo. That's why.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's just the hypochondriac that he is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah with you and he'll take whatever it takes, which
is the premise of this episode.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Right and Larry. When he says she's a Christian scientist,
Larry says, oh, dear.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I love that. I didn't even notice that, because I
love when I hear something, I either say oh God
or oh my, usually oh my.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, well, Richard comments on it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He says, I never, I've never heard you say oh
dear in my life, by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I can't. I've never heard I've never heard him say
oh dear, except for this moment. I'm not. I don't
think he's just used the word deer referring to an
animal or as a word of affection.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't think he's never said deer in the headlights,
for example. I've actually heard him say oh dear. Oh, yeah,
he said it before, okay, but I don't know if
he said it before this. And then Larry starts discussing
the Christian science issues right with him, like she won't
bring him medicine if he needs it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
She doesn't even have a medicine cabinet. Lewis says, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Richard's really funny in this episode.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He's really fine, and he looks amazing. He looks so handsome.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Not as handsome as the young John.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
All right, nothing of that, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And then he gets the phone, the XR seventy one.
Richard has the same phone, and these these early cell phones,
it's just so funny to see the technology and the
whole thing, and it goes out on occasion.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's the only problem with it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's and I think Larry did what we all did
back then, very excited about the first call your cell phone,
the first call, my first sec these phones, these flip phones.
What was before flip phones were those giant walkie talking
talking Vietnam looking things, you know, like you're calling in
an air strike.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know, I know, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So Richard then brings up to Larry that he wants
him to watch his special, and Larry says, come over
to our house for dinner with Deborah, your soulmate.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And then Larry then calls Cheryl to see.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh it's working, and rich is going to come over
for dinner and call Ted and we'll get Randy, the
chef played by young handsome John Hayman, to cater the dinner.
And then Richard says, she's allergic to peanuts. She's allergic peanuts,
and can Jeff come because you're his manager, obviously, And
Larry tells Cheryl she's allergic to peanuts.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
On the phone, very in a very serious, very serious tone.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And then you know, Larry says, my friends for a change,
because you know, we were talking about this on the
car right over here, about your ex girlfriend's friends and Jez, well,
we've had so many episodes up until this point where
you know immediately it's Cheryl's friends. They're out to dinner,
you know Meiyl's friends.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, And let me add this on the bonus thing.
My lovely ex wife Marla, I don't recall ever in
twenty five years of marriage, and I'm talking about ever
where it was a group of my friends that we
had done. Now, not to say we didn't go out
for dinner sometimes with my friends, but when she had
people over.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not my friends, always her friends, all nice.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
People, but not my friend.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also as comedians, you know, we're Carnie folk. We
understand each other and these were all people who were
not Carnie folk. So you and I talk about that
all the time. You gotta see so is so funny,
and it's usually something we hate. And ye, you know
the Morty Gunty isn't fun Well, I go pro Morty Gunty.
Are you pro Morty Gunty? That's based on the name.
(08:39):
Anything he says. Anything he said I was good. He
was Mordy Gunty and the Funny Company or something. No,
either way, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Mordy Gunty was actually a funny guy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He was Mordy Gunty for those who don't know, which
is almost everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I brought it. I brought him up.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Porsch Belt comedian.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
He used to work the mountains, the Catskills and why
Bell used to write for him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yes, I used to write jokes. It's seven bucks a pop.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
How long did you go out with Bill Bogs? For?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
With Bill?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh my god, I'm sored.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Then we're at the dinner part, Yeah, and it's Jeff,
Richard Lewis, Deborah, Larry and Cheryl and everybody's having fun
and they're enjoying themselves there laughing, and Richard and DEBRAA
tell them that they're going to the Emmys, and Deborah
had a dress made from Armando in Beverly Hills, and
Cheryl is having an Emmy party, and everybody's old jolly,
And then Jeff asks for ketchup because he can't eat
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steak without ketchup.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Right, I actually like ketchup with steak.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A lot of people do, but I have to say, look,
I really don't eat steak anymore. An occasional skirt steak.
You know, I'm primarily a vegetarian. Primarily, you know, I'll
have fish, I'll have meat, chicken. But anyhow, no one
gives a shit anyhow. The point being is metch.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And I think you're pretty much not vegetat look it
up and an occasional misteak, I.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Said, mostly. I mean I'm not talking about I have
meat every fucking week even all right. Anyhow, meat that
sucks or is mediocre, you gotta have a whole fucking
bottle of ketchup and smother that thing. But if it's
a good piece of meat, that's really insulting to.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This very rarely, but I do like a little ketchup
with my steak. Sorry, and playing the chef. Larry says,
you can't ask a chef for ketchup.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right, everybody's not agreement. And it is Chicago. Don't ever
say you're putting ketchup on your hot dog.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's a crime a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
My mother used to do that and drive me nuts
to go. What do you do in Chicago? That's like
a Chicago joke. You go to any hot dog stand
and you ask for ketchup, you're gonna get ship. There's many, many, hundreds,
thousands of hot dog stands in Chicago. You gotta get mustard.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well, I would only get mustard if I would eat.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
By the way, I took a friend of mine and
his daughter to a Bears game, and the hot dog
guy is coming to you know, and his daughter, and
everyone heard this as from they live in North Carolina.
Can I have some ketchup? And we all started booing
her and I stood up, how dare you with my
friend's daughter? Where do you get off? And everyone was
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screaming at her. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I really used to put ketchup on spaghetti that so
she would give.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was horrible. It was horrible. It was horrible. Those
famous spaghetti places. I forget what it's called.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, no, it's it's a skyline and it's chili, right, ketchup,
But they put ketchup in there too, I believe I
know it's chili.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's crazy anyway, So then ketchup is insulting, Larry says,
and enter chef Randy, a young handsome John Hayman, and
they all say the food is great, the food is great,
and so now tell us about Randy, John.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
How'd you get the part?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, well, this is now we know you go way
back with Larry's far back for the back than we do.
And you wrote on Seinfeld, correct, And for how many
seasons did you write?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Just one?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Just one? And uh, I just I knew Larry when
we were in his apartment, the real apartment Kenny Kramer
lived across.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Across the hall when.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Lived in Manhattan Plaza on in the studio apartment.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You would look and exactly, I know it's not a
show about Seinfeld obviously, or a podcast about Seinfeld, but
when I look back on it, you know, both doors
would be open. They lived across from each other, across
the hall, and I'd be sitting there with Larry and
I usually bring a sandwich from Carnegey or something, watch
the Nick game or whatever, and Kenny Kramer would come
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across in a bathrobe and not even looking at Larry,
go what's the score. Larry would be writing actually on
a yellow pad and not look up and tell him
the score. Kenny Crane would open the refrigerator, drink some milk,
shut it, and then walk over. And that was the
start of a cottage industry.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
We'll be right back, stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And so anyhow, yes, we go way back and pre Seinfeld,
pre everything, and he said, come in for this part
and I went, of course, I come in and I'm
sitting outside the office, which is where the auditions were
they used to be, and Grant Heslov, who is now
a quite well known producer and partner of George Clooney,
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but was an actor originally, is a really good actor
who I knew because he had been on Peter Melman's show.
It's like you know, and he was really good, so
good as a matter of fact, that we wrote an
episode just to get him back in and bring the
character back. And he knew that. He was very friendly
and one of these people you know, you just naturally
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laugh with. And he's a great act and a really
good improv actor. What are you reading for? He's reading
for the same part. And I go, well, why is
he calling? Why is Larry calling me in for this?
He's got Grant Haslov here. Why are you doing that?
So I go in, I go in before Grant and
go in and it's just Larry and Larry Charles, who
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directed the I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Really I don't believe you were. I sat quietly witnessing
the greatness of John.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Hell anyhow, So it's everyone I know. I didn't know Alison,
but everyone I know, it's not really like an audition.
Didn't cast then she didn't know whoever it was, and
so Allison.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was cast Alson Jones best comedy casting director in Hollywood,
and she came on later. She was my first choice.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
What season did Chikima? Do you remember for?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Maybe? Okay, you know she's the best there is.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right, Well, whoever it was was just sitting there, So
it wasn't it was Geene Rayburn's daughter, keep going, Oh
that's right, said the long microphone. He wondered about that.
So it wasn't almost like I was an audition. I mean,
I know all these people, and I said before I started,
I said, Larry, you got Grant Heslov out there. That
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does well. So I said, look, you're going to give
him the part. He's much better he chef.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I wonder why you got the part.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well that's the upshot of it. I mean, I kept saying,
just hire him. I'll do something else, and he's right
there and I know, and Larry Charleston and I both went, yeah,
that's it, that's what we want. I didn't even actually audition.
I just said give it to Grant Heslov, and they
gave me the part and He knew it because I
ran into him later and told him the story, and
the few times I would run into him, he would
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always give me shit and I go, well, it turned
out okay for you, pal, I mean, so that's how
I got the part saying I wasn't they should not
hire me for the part I don't feel right, which
is it turns out and I didn't know at the
time because you just get like two lines you know
of the outline for what the chef is that that
is exactly what the chef is. So that's why I
got the bart.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Did you do an improfit all or no?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
All I said was, actually, that's not true. I did
a little bit of an improv. Larry set behind his
desk and I don't know, he said, just argue with me.
I go, oh, it's not the most difficult thing in
the world. And I think I maybe did it for
twenty seconds, and he just cut it off. He went, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got it. I had to go outside and there's
Grant waiting to.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Go on, but knowing damn well, he had no chance.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
No chance against the young John, a young chance. So
then they are going.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh, no, I'm sorry. By the way before that scene,
I was in another scene that got cut, and it
was one I don't know why they even had the scene.
It was Cheryl and I in the kitchen, and I
think she may have even mentioned, don't put the in
the scene. No, she doesn't mention no nuts because Randy
doesn't know. I forget what we were doing. But that
scene got cut. And also what I remember is Larry.
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It was Larry Charles first directing job.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
No it wasn't. I think it wasn't because he directed
season one. No he didn't directed directed Larry. I said
to Larry, might have been season two. I said, can
we bring Larry Charles on as an executive producer?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Great idea boom, you know?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But he but here, I.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Know he directed. He directed me up.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
As aali that I was like, and I also needed
somebody a compadre, and he became the.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I thought it was because I remember he.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thought it was Alison Jones. And you don't know if
I was in the room.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Tesla wasn't even the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Maybe you're making that ship up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, So go to they go to watch the
special and Deborah is scarfing down the brownies that Susie
made that. Jeff went to pick up Sammy and took
the brownies from that. Later, Well, no, you said, you said,
I dropped off Sammy and bought the brownies, okay, and
she said that the best brownie she's ever had, and
she's eating them eating.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Can I direct just for one second because of that
scene with the ketchup. I don't know if he was
doing it as part of the scene or if he
was just doing it, but somehow they were talking about statins,
you know, this stuff you take at the table, yeah,
for you know, to lower your cholesterol, and Richard is
talking about it. Oh, this stuff is great. He goes,
look at this, I can eat a thing of butter,
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and he took a bite of like a slab of
butter at the table. I can't believe it wasn't in
unless it was unless they were just doing No. I
know it wasn't in what happened, but it may have
been just he was talking to Larry, like right before
the scene, like you guys do a lot. But I
was like, what the fuck is No.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I think that had nothing to do with Larry or
a conversation. I think he just did it. That's that's
Lewis the magician, keep going okay.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So then we there's so many remotes. There's a million,
like ten remotes.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And they have this guy Mike who fixes it and
he comes in every week to fix it. And Cheryl's
like upset that she's got an Emmy party this Sunday
and you have to fire Mike.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Larry says, I can't fire Mike. He's black.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And Larry's trying every remote and Cheryl wants one remote.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh, by the way, the three women with Cheryl or
her actual three friends just you know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh is that true?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and the remote's not working. Richard Lewis says, let's
play twister, Let's.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Go to my house. And then Dev's like, I don't
feel well.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Non is this word that Larry's trying to put in
the videotape of Richard Special.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
No, they're trying to uh, they're trying to watch It's special. Yeah,
they're trying to way, but it's not a tape. It's right,
that's for the Emmys.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So then Deborah says she doesn't feel well, and she
asked if there's any peanuts in the brownies, you know,
any peanuts in the dinner and I told you on
the phone, and Cheryl didn't hear it. Then we find
out that the call dropped out. Cheryl didn't hear about
the peanuts and his dropouts on that prone and Debraah
says all she could do is wait it out, and
Richard says, can't you take a nap?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And why don't you just drive? Then Richard says, you
want to? I don't really fool comfortable driving myself.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
She needs you to take her home, you know, I mean, now,
all right, we're going.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's a fucking idiot. How can you do this? She's not, like, yeah,
we'll watch it, don't worry.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I love to play scrabble, I said.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I kind of got in the mood.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Let's get it.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Really you want to play?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I'm all over, absolutely, Okay, you don't need to play.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It's better with two give me milk.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That was fucking well by the way, I'm watching it,
and I'm actually kind of angry at his character. And
I don't know if he would do that in real life,
but it was literally how it affected him was so narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes, you know that's why she just can't you drive yourself?
Take your nap, drive yourself home, and she will not.
We we have been rude.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And by the way, for the one time with Larry
standing with Ryl and I forget oh and myself, we're
all saying go. But Larry is in that moment. It's
a rare moment where he's not saying take her home
to make his life.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Better, thinking of her.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, he's like going, this is fucked up.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know so well.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You could see that she's in distress and she won't
take a benadryl. She won't take medication because she's a
Christian scientist. Then Jeff and Mike, Mike is the cable
fixer guy. They're att O groats and Larry fires Mike,
and Mike says, to just be honest.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Man, because I'm black, right right? What we couldn't be crazier? Crazy?
Why did I hire you? That was over the phone? Man?
You didn't know I was black at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
By the way. That's played by Anthony Griffith. Uh huh,
a friend of mine, a comedian and actor from Chicago.
He was a wonderful stand up I used to see him.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
In play, terrific in this also great.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He's a great actor.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
All right, there you go, and let's just discuss that
because I'm a black issue.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well, that's a recurring mode theme with Larry, and it's
Fascinating's the same dynamic. He doesn't want to appear bigoted
in any way, and he's so overly concerned about out
it anytime in the show. We're talking about anytime he
has any interaction well a person.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Of color, but yeah, it could be anything that he
doesn't want them to feel bad that he's using that reason.
And by the way, he's never firing anyone for that reason.
And he gets called out because everyone thinks it is
that reason.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Right. Larry says, I hired you over the phone.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I didn't know you were black, and he blames it
on Cheryl, and Mike says that the check comes that
Larry's like, well, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Mike says, I'll leave the tip.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'll leave the tip, and Mike is pissed off and
he walks out because Larry just fired him for really
no cause, as we find out, but he thinks his cause.
And Larry sees the tip and he sees that there's
not really enough there, and he goes back and he
adds a couple of dollars and he sees Wanda is
at another table glaring at him.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yes, and she has a scowl on her face, glat yes,
and there will be a price to pay always. By
the way, lake Bell was the other end, okay, and
that TV show she was. But the thing is someone
at home might be going, oh, I want to know,
and they might be upset with you, Susie for dismissing me.
Keep going.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When we get the mail from our viewers, I will.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm sure there's a lot of male coming from viewers handwritten.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So next next week, Larry Western Union. Larry goes to
the door, knocks on the door, and a woman answers,
and we find out that that's Deborah's mother, and he's
at Deborah's mother's house.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She's with her mother.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I cannot remember the actress's name, but I was excited
to have her because she was in Peewee's Big Adventure.
They were like sitting in the dinosaur looking at the
sky and she was really good in the movie.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yes, so I was really good in this that she's great,
And she says to Larry, are you here for the
prayer group?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Which we know he's.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Not Diane Salager as Deborah's mother, and Larry says something about,
you know, he's sorry about Deborah and Diane Salagart, Deborah's
mother says, we're all responsible for our own lives, which
is very profound and very true.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yes, no, we're not. You got to give up control and.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
She she then brings ld into the group, but then
he gets out, right, he gets out. So Larry goes
into Deborah's room and there's a black man there fixing
the cable, which is not Mike. It's a different black man,
cable fixer. And then Richard and Deborah in the room,
and Deborah's like, you know, I'll be fine to go
to the Emmy's.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And now we never see her face.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Which is so much better than prosthetics.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Put prosthetics, and we looked at her horror. I mean
to use your imagination of how swollen an man case
must look. I just right from the get go, I thought,
I remember, we didn't show that that was brilliant.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And whose choice was that? Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well, Larry's Larry's okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And also we didn't have a good budget back to budget,
so the prosthetics would have been expensive.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That's right, DeBras, I'll be fine, and Larry's I'm so
sorry about the peanuts, and Deborah is insistent ongoing to
the Emmys, and Larry's like, take a bit of a drill,
and Debrah says, it's a betrayal of my faith. And
he has if the cable guy is any good and
the remotes. He goes off on that, and then Larry
leaves and he's drawn into the prayer circle.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
This is when he's doing the pinkies.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, he's not gonna hold hands, and but not only
is he doing the pinkies, he's trying to break free
with his pinkys.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Right, and Larry is saying, you know, he can't.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Pray for Deborah because he's got bad calma and she'll
end up even sicker, which we fold the scene like
that yesterday, and of course yes, and of course he
joins hands. He ends up with two men, which is,
you know, like he tried to make it boy girl,
but he ends up with two men her husband, yeah, yeah,
and it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And then his phone goes off and what is the
ring tone?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't go you know for somebody it's Larry's personal life,
but he's not really He's proud to be a Jew,
but he's so not religious, do you know what I mean?
And so but he uses so much Jewish comedy.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Because that's how he was brought up. Even to me,
it's a cultural thing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But I'm saying, he just he does it. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, we'll be right back, stay tuned.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So there the Havanah gill is going off in the
middle of the prayer group, the Christian Science prayer group,
and then we see Larry and Richard leave, and Richard's like,
I'm going to be humiliated. I can't bring it to
the Emmys. I'm going to be humiliated. It's all your fault.
And if they go into the whole peanut versus the
cell phone, and Larry says, I thought you didn't give
a shit about how she looks.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, you love her soul.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know which, even if Richard did love his soul,
her soul, yeah, love herself, why does he want to
be seen with you?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And also to go it to the Emmys with her
head swollen?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That so unsettling.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And then they get into at no point do either
Larry or Richard show any concern for what this woman
is suffering.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It's just all about that.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Jo and they do.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They want her to take the Benadryl and get better.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
They can't believe it's just he doesn't look like that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's primarily for the Emmys. It's all about that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Even if she just even if it had nothing to
do with the Emmies, they would just be like, take
a fucking benadrulle.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It'll knock it right out, and it would. I know,
I had an.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Allergy attack the other day.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was sitting under some tree that I was just
and I went home and I took a ben adol
and I was fine under some tree in an outdoor cafe. Yeah,
and I had an analogy attack. Okay, but she's hell
bent ongoing. She won't take the benadryl. Richard says a
typical Richard.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
No, it would match your head address made of you know,
turnips and blood. So they're going to try to like
give her a shot. Then they come up with the
brilliant idea. She loved those brownies. Put it in a brownie, right,
She'd never know And Larry says he's going to get
the recipe from Susie Sheryl bake it. Next thing, you know,
(28:18):
he knocks on our door, Jeff, and I answered the
door with a new character introduced.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh yeah, Oscar, Yes, you know, I watched it with
Sari last night. She goes, you guys had a dog, Yeah,
Oscars many seasons.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, he was a great dog. That was actually two dogs.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It was Hunter and Rhett with the two dogs that
played Nperilla. I don't recall that now, but they were
beautiful German shepherds, gorgeous dogs.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
And I said that I got Oscar because now that can.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Say I never noticed it was, I swear until right now,
I had no idea it was two dogs. I thought
it was always one dog because they look exact.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh that's hilarious, like nine lassies or something like that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, somebody, well they have to it's a door.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
By the way. They had numerous gentle bends.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bart the bear who's in this cocaine bear thing. Now
there's a bear called I think it's Bart, who's been
in every single thing that that involves a real live
bear for the last fifteen years. Oh he must be
rich by now. Oh, he's loaded.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's loaded. If you did about a bear.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's what this movie is based on about. In real life,
in nineteen eighty five, a drug plane crashed and a
bear found this like ton of cocaine that the movie
is based on, right, and I had a joke about it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I remember that in the old days, I catch a
rizing store.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Okay, So Larry comes to our house and I answered
the phone looking quite young as well.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I have to no.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I turned to Sari and she read. I said, God,
doesn't Susie look beautiful? And I told sariy I go.
I was friends with their fifteen years earlier. She was gorgeous,
thank you to yeah, but less and less gorgeous over
the years. And now I'm fucking with you. Keep going
You're so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But you know what can I say?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I love you? I tell you yesterday how pretty you look?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
But the one thing about TV and you have to admit,
you see yourself twenty five years ago and it's like.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
You we were young.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hold on for yet, even young Sarah has a complete
disconnect watching me because I am so heavy and what's
the word cherubically? I had an angel you a cherubic
flip face. Yeah, and when I watch it, I get sad.
She watches it, she.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Looks get sad because you think about how sad it
must have been that you were that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That, you know, I remember how I felt, and I
feel bad for that guy. Yeah, I feel so bad
for that guy. And if that guy only knew the
ridiculously horrible things that were on their way. I'm wonderful things, yes,
of course, But I'm saying in terms of my health,
it's been a festival of shit. I mean, by the way,
(31:05):
if you're listening watching whatever, I'm very healthy and I
never had cancer. I'm not remits like I'm very healthy.
But the amount of times I've been punched in the
face with serious illness, I've lost count. I'm gonna be honest.
So I look at that guy and I think of
what happened after, and I look at the guy and
it's really sad.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
That was actually after the stroke. Yeah, that was post stroke.
I had a stroke. We've talked about it. Yeah, another
bing bang boom. The only one that I'm not strokey
is the hour Pilot per Se. That's that's pre stroke.
It was shortly that's nineteen ninety nine. Two, yeah, ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So he comes to a house and I'm like, what
are you doing? You don't call and then he tells
me about the brownies. And then Jeff stole the brownies
from his child's mouth, which bar the wayman and stole
his little girl's brownies, and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You're just there's no thing to calm you at this point.
Now it just is building and building to where you're
screaming at each other, which is we just filmed some
of that yesterday, and by the way, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
We weren't really screaming though Brownie yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yesterday. No, it's just like its own art form, its
own thing. Yesterday. I thought that was the best argument
you've ever had with Larry, Oh, I said to Jeff Shaeffer.
I go, I think this is Susie and Larry at
their best in terms of arguing. And Jeff Shaeffer said, yeah,
I think. So he walked away, and at the end
of the day he goes it was he goes, I.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Think I thought it was a little too hot.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Okay, but in this scene he says, well, it's a
testament to the brownies.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You know, he's buttering me up. In that way that
he likes to do, which never really works.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
No, no, forget, it never really works.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Here are the two things. He will say things to
you that you feel good about. Oh, really like he'll
compliment you whatever, but that last three seconds three second, yes,
but you do react post.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Then he asked me for the recipe and I tell
him I can't give it. It's a secret family recipe.
And he says, well, I'm known for keeping a secret,
which we know is bullshit. And then he tells me
that he said, I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You, by the way in real life, by the way,
he's one of the best people. He is the best.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
He's a very good secret keeper in.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Terms of my friends. He is number one on the.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Secret that he is. I love it when he when
he does stuff like that, and he goes, I'm known
for and it's some obscure it's trade, you know, I'm
known for being on time, and then goes Ask anyone.
They will tell you that Larry David is always on time.
It's no matter what the thing is. If he's in
an argument, he's known for whatever the thing is.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
By the way, can I say I don't recall him
ever being late, you know, for anything? Yeah, some for work.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So he decides to tell me a secret to gain
my trust.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A delicious sun and he tells me, I'll tell you
a secret.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
How about that nobody knows, not even Cheryl. Well, if
he'd like to tell me, I might. I might be
losing a testicle. Yeah, it's not definite. The point is
I'm telling you. I'm sharing something with you because I
trust you, just the way I know you could trust me.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Larry, I cannot give you the recume.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
My grandmother okay, makes you rest in peace and trusted
that brownie recipe to me, And you're asking me to
break a sacred confidence.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's not a Manhattan project, you know. It's just a
little recipe.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Go get a mix or something. You're asking too much,
You ask way too much. I can't ask her.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Con I just told you I'm going to lose a ball.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Which, by the way, early on we saw where he's
desperate to have Cheryl not go but he's trying to
hold her to like have sex with her.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
What episode is that? Oh that was the massage.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Massage And then he tells her he has a lump,
he has to say, where he just goes, I have
a lump. I have a lump. You don't want to
go when I have a lump. And so here Ray
go right to the things be.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Losing your testicle, and I find that very interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But he's asking me to break a sacred confidence and
I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, by the way, here's the thing about it. Get
a mix, yes, But the point being is when he
presents his case the way you're acting, you think you're
gonna give him the recipe, and then when we get
to you, you just go off on at your grandma's recipe.
He has getting it, which makes it funnier because you.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Think because he says, I just told you I'm going
to lose a ball, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't give a shit.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
You make it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Ask me to break a sacred confidence. Go get a mix.
And then we cut to Larry and Cheryl and Richard
and they're begging Cheryl to put the benadryll in the
brownie mix.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And Cheryl, she plays this great.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Cheryl says, you don't.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Want to take her and Richard says, I wanted to
get better, which is, you know, bullshit.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But Bobby, Cheryl does the perfect amount of pushing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That's right, yeah, perfect, like it's her.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Her performance on the show is so subtle and perfect.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And Jeff and I have said in the past, she's
really the only person that could do this with Larry
right with one word.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
When she's fed up, she says, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
All right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
The other day and I said to her, how many
times have you said that?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, another actress, Michael, that's enough?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But she said, and by the way, playing against all
these insane that's bo's perfect, She's completely perfect. All right,
went over this.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
No, don't you know anything about tampering? Huh do you
know anything about tampering? Well, you can't do that because
the brownie will fall apart.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And she says, well, why don't you bacon? I don't
know how to bacon?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
What was tampering? What was his meaning of tampering?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well, because he's putting the he's tampering, she's saying the benefit.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
She knows nothing of tampering. I didn't pick it up.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Doesn't good? Doesn't Lewis? I think it's Lewis. Maybe it's
Larry appeal to her because it's a humanitarian.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They both do.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And Richard says, my heart is breaking for her big head,
and Cheryl's reluctant, and.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Oh, he says something about it. It's a carnival.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
She looks like a carnival show. And Cheryl gives in,
and Larry says, can you bake?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
She's never done it up until then, which, by the way,
Larry David, that would never be a qualification that someone
could cook or bake. I can't see that being on
his list. I gotta find a woman that cooks and
bakes now.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And then they go back to Deborah's mother's house with
the brownies Richard and Larry, and Larry says, my wife
got the recipe, and Deborah takes a bite. They're not
the same because they they're the mix and they're just
not as good, and she's like, adamant, they are definitely
not the same.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Brain but forget the same brownies. They had to have
tasted good. She is adamant that she's not going to
eat them. So the guys are do.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You think she's suspicious at all?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
No, she really doesn't like them.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
She really doesn't like the other one who.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Says they are horrible.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Give them back you no, I know, But Larry says,
here I'll leave them, and she sayes, what do you
want me to do? And she actually hands them back
to him.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, she was disgusted by the Brownies and then she
saw something then there. Well, then she says, what time
are you picking me up tomorrow for the Emmys? And
then we see Cheryl on the sofa with her three
friends and Wanda the three people. You said, I'm not
that one to sell her friend, but Wanda was a
hired actress at that point, a hired friend, a hired friend.
And they're getting ready to watch the Emmys. They're getting
(38:33):
to watch the East Coast, the East Coast field correct,
and they're all fucking with the remote, look at the directions.
They can't get the satellite to go on, you know,
and they are upset because they're missing Joan and Melissa
for the pre show and all of that, watching the
New York feet And then Larry walks in and Wanda says,
what was that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Business I saw you yesterday at the coffee shop? Business?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
The business with the black guy?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You fix the tip?
Speaker 7 (39:00):
What happened ship? You don't know?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Larry's a Larry's a tip profiler, fixed the black mask tip?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
What are you trying to get the NAACP.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I know.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
It wasn't a racial thing.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Why you do the tip? But then watch your tiptoe
behind his back. It becomes a whole causal love between them.
And then Larry storms out in the huff I fired him,
and she's watch you fire the black man. Arrys like, oh,
the black man can't do anything wrong, can't get fired,
can't get fired. And then Wanda gets up and turns
on the satellite on the TV exactly and that was
(39:36):
all that was wrong with it the whole time. And
then we see Joan, which was a little startling to me.
I have to say, to see Joan and the back.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Stuff, I love Joan Rivers so much. Yeah, and by
the way, what I loved her as a person. She's
just so nice. And I actually did her show. She
had a podcast with a video podcast of in Bed
with Joan Rivers and it's actually in her room. You
get in bed, wow, and you enter from her, which
is really funny. And then we had the best conversation.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
She just as lovely, you know John.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
As we've been doing this show now we're on season three,
it's like we're this is from you know, two thousand
and one, two three, and people keep coming up who
are dead.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
You know, And it's like it's startling to us. I
think it's so. There was Joan and.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
She's talking about Chelsey Grammar and she calls.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
It, oh, Richard Lewis, and she calls over Richard.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Richard.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, And she calls over Richard and she's Chelsey.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Gramma, ladies and gentlemen, one of the.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Rights of our community.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Oh my god, there's Richard Lewis.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Richard, don't we Richard Richard, come out.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Swear, just get it's so good to say, Oh my god,
I've seen better faces on a hemorrhoid.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
When he called home, did you pick up the phone?
How are things a love nest?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
And there we go.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's the end, the end of the end.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
No, I mean, and by the way, very unusual for
it to end on Richard Lewis and or any of us,
for us to be the end of the show. I
remember doing one thing once that it was the end
of the show. I don't remember what that was, but
that's rare. It usually ends on Larry Ye.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Where was that film, the Joan Rivers thing?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh, it was a parking lot. It was a parking
lot near the beach. It was a parking lot literally
right by the ocean. It was actually it was one
of those parking lots.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's off probably by over there because we filmed there before.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yes, but but south of Casta del Mar and one
of the parking lots over there, and we set up
all around it. That looked good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I was wondering though, because it's obviously cut off, like
and I guess what we did that scene? Now with
one of those theaters in Westwood, we probably would have
done it. You don't like a real movie theater. I
don't know if you were there. Were you there to
make it look like an Awards?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I love how I'm giving you a look and you
keep selling it to me.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well, that's why I keep telling it, because he.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Went, Jeffrey, are you there that day?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
What's the Joan Rivers? Actually I had to have been
because I know where we filmed.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, so those must have been her lines. Oh, they're
typically right lines.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And by the way, I'm sure she improvised those lines
in the moment.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah, they're very Joe, very very We're done here. We're
done here, Johnny, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But for this episode what was you?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Thank them both episodes. Yes, all right, John for this episode.
Your effort up until now delightful. Well, thank you for
can an effort be delightful? Hey? Can I come back
ya hoop? On next week We're going to be back
with more with Jihan Hayman. Please tune in.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
You could come every week as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
We love you so please all right.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
The history of car Enthusiasm is the production of Lying
Arm Radio Kiss from my radio, visit the Idhar Radio,
a podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
You can watch the original episode we'll be discussing in
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello. Hello, is a writer on Curby Your Enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Producer, an resulting producer. I consult, but if you have
a problem, you come to me and I consult.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
By the way you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Do, he does great, But for our purposes for season three,
he was not a producer.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He was an actor.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
He was I was.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I was an actor on two episodes, The Rare Opportunity
and by the way, having watched it, you're excellent. Okay, character, No,
let's get this straight.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, shut up at Yale. Stop stop stop.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
We'll discuss it when we get to your part.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But you were young and handsome and you were good.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
See I'm not buying into the young and handsome point.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was he came on in the street. Oh look
at the young John.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, No, he was young, not gonna say handsome, but
he wasn't ugly and also was handsome, and also to me,
it's more concerned with how great he did.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Can I just introduce for on season three, episode two,
the Benadrue Brownie and you are Jeff Garlin and I
am Susie Esmond and you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Are I know this. I know this John Haymon.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And Jeff is with us wearing a red Sox I mean,
I'm sorry, a white Sox cap. Yeah, and a Clippers sweatshirt,
which is kind of a mixed metaphor.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know here the white Sox hat. You know,
I'm a big Sox fan. I like the Socks. I'm
you know, the Cubs fans don't hate the socks.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
The socks, we don't when.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
They're yelling at each other. I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's pretty Johnny, you'll agree with me. We don't hate
the Mets. No, I like the Mets hate us. Yes,
we have no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Verse nationally americanly American. Anyhow, this hat represents for me
when I was a big Socks fan, which was the
very early seventies, and they had a player named Dick Gallen.
It was a player named Bill Milton, don't I remember.
You can't call it, by the way, Dick Gallen was
a badass, just a badass, and our listeners, I'm sure
(02:32):
really curious anyhow the clipper shirt is I'm a I'm
a Clippers fanc He's holding the clippers.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
By the way. I have to say, yeah, no offense.
Although this will offend you. I think that's a violation
of wearing two teams. I wouldn't wear a Yankee hatta
violation of what of you like I'm wearing a black
Hawk's shirt. I'm not going to wear a Yankee hat
with it. I mean, what is No, you're showing one
thing that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The way I'm wearing crocs today, I have pants on crops,
are you Yeah, I'm went crocs and its basically called
I threw on what I wanted to throw on, which
was easy because I barely slept last night and I'm
happy to be here. Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And can I just say that Hayman is wearing sunglasses
for two reasons. One he forgot his regular glasses and
two it's an homage to our dearly departed friend Richard Belzer.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh okay, yeah it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, did he wear glasses all the time?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
He was very light sensitive, weren't he and Richard Lewis
argue about who invented wore the black because they both
wore black all the time. Yea, and I think there
was a bone of contentent, you know Lewis And yeah,
Lewis thinks everybody steals every time.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I know there's a comedian that he thinks stole his rhythms.
But Richard, I think was one of the great originals,
that's what he was. I think he saw Belzer and
went I'm gonna wear black.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that I wasn't taking sides.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think that they could have thought of it simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That you enjoy. All Right, So we started, we start away.
There's nothing worse than chit chat. It's like when I
listen to Howard Stern and the chit chat, I hate it.
I don't get what the program. All right, Susie, why are.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You holding it up unless it's entertaining? Okay?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So we start out the episode at the cell.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Depot, dating, dating, dating, and speaking of dating, Richard Lewis
tells Larry.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That he thinks he found his soulmate for the five.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Even then it was a ten thousand season two.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Exactly season three, and Larry's like, is this the one,
and Richard starts carrying on about how he loves her soul,
her looks, or around.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It gives one key piece of information, one of the
only downside I think of this color kin like, huh,
it's too blue lashy.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, she's a Christian scientist, and what it's a Christian
scientist is a Christian scientist.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And I'm and it's did you say, oh dear, I
don't think you've ever said that in your entire No one.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Ever told me any Christian scientists before, if.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Anything, I ever called for an oh dear Christian scientist.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
She's a Christian Christian scientist. And it's not about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Think of a worse thing for Richard the combo. That's why.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's just the hypochondriac that he is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah with you and he'll take whatever it takes, which
is the premise of this episode.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Right and Larry. When he says she's a Christian scientist,
Larry says, oh, dear.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I love that. I didn't even notice that, because I
love when I hear something, I either say oh God
or oh my, usually oh my.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, well, Richard comments on it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He says, I never, I've never heard you say oh
dear in my life, by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I can't. I've never heard I've never heard him say
oh dear, except for this moment. I'm not. I don't
think he's just used the word deer referring to an
animal or as a word of affection.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't think he's never said deer in the headlights,
for example. I've actually heard him say oh dear. Oh, yeah,
he said it before, okay, but I don't know if
he said it before this. And then Larry starts discussing
the Christian science issues right with him, like she won't
bring him medicine if he needs it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
She doesn't even have a medicine cabinet. Lewis says, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Richard's really funny in this episode.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He's really fine, and he looks amazing. He looks so handsome.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Not as handsome as the young John.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
All right, nothing of that, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And then he gets the phone, the XR seventy one.
Richard has the same phone, and these these early cell phones,
it's just so funny to see the technology and the
whole thing, and it goes out on occasion.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's the only problem with it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's and I think Larry did what we all did
back then, very excited about the first call your cell phone,
the first call, my first sec these phones, these flip phones.
What was before flip phones were those giant walkie talking
talking Vietnam looking things, you know, like you're calling in
an air strike.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know, I know, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So Richard then brings up to Larry that he wants
him to watch his special, and Larry says, come over
to our house for dinner with Deborah, your soulmate.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And then Larry then calls Cheryl to see.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh it's working, and rich is going to come over
for dinner and call Ted and we'll get Randy, the
chef played by young handsome John Hayman, to cater the dinner.
And then Richard says, she's allergic to peanuts. She's allergic peanuts,
and can Jeff come because you're his manager, obviously, And
Larry tells Cheryl she's allergic to peanuts.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
On the phone, very in a very serious, very serious tone.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And then you know, Larry says, my friends for a change,
because you know, we were talking about this on the
car right over here, about your ex girlfriend's friends and Jez, well,
we've had so many episodes up until this point where
you know immediately it's Cheryl's friends. They're out to dinner,
you know Meiyl's friends.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, And let me add this on the bonus thing.
My lovely ex wife Marla, I don't recall ever in
twenty five years of marriage, and I'm talking about ever
where it was a group of my friends that we
had done. Now, not to say we didn't go out
for dinner sometimes with my friends, but when she had
people over.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not my friends, always her friends, all nice.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
People, but not my friend.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also as comedians, you know, we're Carnie folk. We
understand each other and these were all people who were
not Carnie folk. So you and I talk about that
all the time. You gotta see so is so funny,
and it's usually something we hate. And ye, you know
the Morty Gunty isn't fun Well, I go pro Morty Gunty.
Are you pro Morty Gunty? That's based on the name.
(08:39):
Anything he says. Anything he said I was good. He
was Mordy Gunty and the Funny Company or something. No,
either way, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Mordy Gunty was actually a funny guy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He was Mordy Gunty for those who don't know, which
is almost everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I brought it. I brought him up.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Porsch Belt comedian.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
He used to work the mountains, the Catskills and why
Bell used to write for him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yes, I used to write jokes. It's seven bucks a pop.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
How long did you go out with Bill Bogs? For?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
With Bill?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh my god, I'm sored.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Then we're at the dinner part, Yeah, and it's Jeff,
Richard Lewis, Deborah, Larry and Cheryl and everybody's having fun
and they're enjoying themselves there laughing, and Richard and DEBRAA
tell them that they're going to the Emmys, and Deborah
had a dress made from Armando in Beverly Hills, and
Cheryl is having an Emmy party, and everybody's old jolly,
And then Jeff asks for ketchup because he can't eat
(09:29):
steak without ketchup.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Right, I actually like ketchup with steak.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A lot of people do, but I have to say, look,
I really don't eat steak anymore. An occasional skirt steak.
You know, I'm primarily a vegetarian. Primarily, you know, I'll
have fish, I'll have meat, chicken. But anyhow, no one
gives a shit anyhow. The point being is metch.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And I think you're pretty much not vegetat look it
up and an occasional misteak, I.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Said, mostly. I mean I'm not talking about I have
meat every fucking week even all right. Anyhow, meat that
sucks or is mediocre, you gotta have a whole fucking
bottle of ketchup and smother that thing. But if it's
a good piece of meat, that's really insulting to.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This very rarely, but I do like a little ketchup
with my steak. Sorry, and playing the chef. Larry says,
you can't ask a chef for ketchup.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right, everybody's not agreement. And it is Chicago. Don't ever
say you're putting ketchup on your hot dog.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's a crime a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
My mother used to do that and drive me nuts
to go. What do you do in Chicago? That's like
a Chicago joke. You go to any hot dog stand
and you ask for ketchup, you're gonna get ship. There's many, many, hundreds,
thousands of hot dog stands in Chicago. You gotta get mustard.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well, I would only get mustard if I would eat.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
By the way, I took a friend of mine and
his daughter to a Bears game, and the hot dog
guy is coming to you know, and his daughter, and
everyone heard this as from they live in North Carolina.
Can I have some ketchup? And we all started booing
her and I stood up, how dare you with my
friend's daughter? Where do you get off? And everyone was
(11:15):
screaming at her. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I really used to put ketchup on spaghetti that so
she would give.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was horrible. It was horrible. It was horrible. Those
famous spaghetti places. I forget what it's called.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, no, it's it's a skyline and it's chili, right, ketchup,
But they put ketchup in there too, I believe I
know it's chili.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's crazy anyway, So then ketchup is insulting, Larry says,
and enter chef Randy, a young handsome John Hayman, and
they all say the food is great, the food is great,
and so now tell us about Randy, John.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
How'd you get the part?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, well, this is now we know you go way
back with Larry's far back for the back than we do.
And you wrote on Seinfeld, correct, And for how many
seasons did you write?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Just one?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Just one? And uh, I just I knew Larry when
we were in his apartment, the real apartment Kenny Kramer
lived across.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Across the hall when.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Lived in Manhattan Plaza on in the studio apartment.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You would look and exactly, I know it's not a
show about Seinfeld obviously, or a podcast about Seinfeld, but
when I look back on it, you know, both doors
would be open. They lived across from each other, across
the hall, and I'd be sitting there with Larry and
I usually bring a sandwich from Carnegey or something, watch
the Nick game or whatever, and Kenny Kramer would come
(12:41):
across in a bathrobe and not even looking at Larry,
go what's the score. Larry would be writing actually on
a yellow pad and not look up and tell him
the score. Kenny Crane would open the refrigerator, drink some milk,
shut it, and then walk over. And that was the
start of a cottage industry.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
We'll be right back, stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And so anyhow, yes, we go way back and pre Seinfeld,
pre everything, and he said, come in for this part
and I went, of course, I come in and I'm
sitting outside the office, which is where the auditions were
they used to be, and Grant Heslov, who is now
a quite well known producer and partner of George Clooney,
(13:38):
but was an actor originally, is a really good actor
who I knew because he had been on Peter Melman's show.
It's like you know, and he was really good, so
good as a matter of fact, that we wrote an
episode just to get him back in and bring the
character back. And he knew that. He was very friendly
and one of these people you know, you just naturally
(13:58):
laugh with. And he's a great act and a really
good improv actor. What are you reading for? He's reading
for the same part. And I go, well, why is
he calling? Why is Larry calling me in for this?
He's got Grant Haslov here. Why are you doing that?
So I go in, I go in before Grant and
go in and it's just Larry and Larry Charles, who
(14:19):
directed the I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Really I don't believe you were. I sat quietly witnessing
the greatness of John.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Hell anyhow, So it's everyone I know. I didn't know Alison,
but everyone I know, it's not really like an audition.
Didn't cast then she didn't know whoever it was, and
so Allison.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was cast Alson Jones best comedy casting director in Hollywood,
and she came on later. She was my first choice.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
What season did Chikima? Do you remember for?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Maybe? Okay, you know she's the best there is.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right, Well, whoever it was was just sitting there, So
it wasn't it was Geene Rayburn's daughter, keep going, Oh
that's right, said the long microphone. He wondered about that.
So it wasn't almost like I was an audition. I mean,
I know all these people, and I said before I started,
I said, Larry, you got Grant Heslov out there. That
(15:14):
does well. So I said, look, you're going to give
him the part. He's much better he chef.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I wonder why you got the part.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well that's the upshot of it. I mean, I kept saying,
just hire him. I'll do something else, and he's right
there and I know, and Larry Charleston and I both went, yeah,
that's it, that's what we want. I didn't even actually audition.
I just said give it to Grant Heslov, and they
gave me the part and He knew it because I
ran into him later and told him the story, and
the few times I would run into him, he would
(15:46):
always give me shit and I go, well, it turned
out okay for you, pal, I mean, so that's how
I got the part saying I wasn't they should not
hire me for the part I don't feel right, which
is it turns out and I didn't know at the
time because you just get like two lines you know
of the outline for what the chef is that that
is exactly what the chef is. So that's why I
got the bart.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Did you do an improfit all or no?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
All I said was, actually, that's not true. I did
a little bit of an improv. Larry set behind his
desk and I don't know, he said, just argue with me.
I go, oh, it's not the most difficult thing in
the world. And I think I maybe did it for
twenty seconds, and he just cut it off. He went, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got it. I had to go outside and there's
Grant waiting to.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Go on, but knowing damn well, he had no chance.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
No chance against the young John, a young chance. So
then they are going.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh, no, I'm sorry. By the way before that scene,
I was in another scene that got cut, and it
was one I don't know why they even had the scene.
It was Cheryl and I in the kitchen, and I
think she may have even mentioned, don't put the in
the scene. No, she doesn't mention no nuts because Randy
doesn't know. I forget what we were doing. But that
scene got cut. And also what I remember is Larry.
(16:59):
It was Larry Charles first directing job.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
No it wasn't. I think it wasn't because he directed
season one. No he didn't directed directed Larry. I said
to Larry, might have been season two. I said, can
we bring Larry Charles on as an executive producer?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Great idea boom, you know?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But he but here, I.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Know he directed. He directed me up.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
As aali that I was like, and I also needed
somebody a compadre, and he became the.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I thought it was because I remember he.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thought it was Alison Jones. And you don't know if
I was in the room.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Tesla wasn't even the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Maybe you're making that ship up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, So go to they go to watch the
special and Deborah is scarfing down the brownies that Susie
made that. Jeff went to pick up Sammy and took
the brownies from that. Later, Well, no, you said, you said,
I dropped off Sammy and bought the brownies, okay, and
she said that the best brownie she's ever had, and
she's eating them eating.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Can I direct just for one second because of that
scene with the ketchup. I don't know if he was
doing it as part of the scene or if he
was just doing it, but somehow they were talking about statins,
you know, this stuff you take at the table, yeah,
for you know, to lower your cholesterol, and Richard is
talking about it. Oh, this stuff is great. He goes,
look at this, I can eat a thing of butter,
(18:21):
and he took a bite of like a slab of
butter at the table. I can't believe it wasn't in
unless it was unless they were just doing No. I
know it wasn't in what happened, but it may have
been just he was talking to Larry, like right before
the scene, like you guys do a lot. But I
was like, what the fuck is No.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I think that had nothing to do with Larry or
a conversation. I think he just did it. That's that's
Lewis the magician, keep going okay.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So then we there's so many remotes. There's a million,
like ten remotes.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And they have this guy Mike who fixes it and
he comes in every week to fix it. And Cheryl's
like upset that she's got an Emmy party this Sunday
and you have to fire Mike.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Larry says, I can't fire Mike. He's black.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And Larry's trying every remote and Cheryl wants one remote.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh, by the way, the three women with Cheryl or
her actual three friends just you know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh is that true?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and the remote's not working. Richard Lewis says, let's
play twister, Let's.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Go to my house. And then Dev's like, I don't
feel well.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Non is this word that Larry's trying to put in
the videotape of Richard Special.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
No, they're trying to uh, they're trying to watch It's special. Yeah,
they're trying to way, but it's not a tape. It's right,
that's for the Emmys.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So then Deborah says she doesn't feel well, and she
asked if there's any peanuts in the brownies, you know,
any peanuts in the dinner and I told you on
the phone, and Cheryl didn't hear it. Then we find
out that the call dropped out. Cheryl didn't hear about
the peanuts and his dropouts on that prone and Debraah
says all she could do is wait it out, and
Richard says, can't you take a nap?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And why don't you just drive? Then Richard says, you
want to? I don't really fool comfortable driving myself.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
She needs you to take her home, you know, I mean, now,
all right, we're going.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's a fucking idiot. How can you do this? She's not, like, yeah,
we'll watch it, don't worry.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I love to play scrabble, I said.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I kind of got in the mood.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Let's get it.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Really you want to play?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I'm all over, absolutely, Okay, you don't need to play.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It's better with two give me milk.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That was fucking well by the way, I'm watching it,
and I'm actually kind of angry at his character. And
I don't know if he would do that in real life,
but it was literally how it affected him was so narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes, you know that's why she just can't you drive yourself?
Take your nap, drive yourself home, and she will not.
We we have been rude.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And by the way, for the one time with Larry
standing with Ryl and I forget oh and myself, we're
all saying go. But Larry is in that moment. It's
a rare moment where he's not saying take her home
to make his life.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Better, thinking of her.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, he's like going, this is fucked up.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know so well.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You could see that she's in distress and she won't
take a benadryl. She won't take medication because she's a
Christian scientist. Then Jeff and Mike, Mike is the cable
fixer guy. They're att O groats and Larry fires Mike,
and Mike says, to just be honest.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Man, because I'm black, right right? What we couldn't be crazier? Crazy?
Why did I hire you? That was over the phone? Man?
You didn't know I was black at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
By the way. That's played by Anthony Griffith. Uh huh,
a friend of mine, a comedian and actor from Chicago.
He was a wonderful stand up I used to see him.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
In play, terrific in this also great.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He's a great actor.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
All right, there you go, and let's just discuss that
because I'm a black issue.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well, that's a recurring mode theme with Larry, and it's
Fascinating's the same dynamic. He doesn't want to appear bigoted
in any way, and he's so overly concerned about out
it anytime in the show. We're talking about anytime he
has any interaction well a person.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Of color, but yeah, it could be anything that he
doesn't want them to feel bad that he's using that reason.
And by the way, he's never firing anyone for that reason.
And he gets called out because everyone thinks it is
that reason.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Right. Larry says, I hired you over the phone.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I didn't know you were black, and he blames it
on Cheryl, and Mike says that the check comes that
Larry's like, well, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Mike says, I'll leave the tip.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'll leave the tip, and Mike is pissed off and
he walks out because Larry just fired him for really
no cause, as we find out, but he thinks his cause.
And Larry sees the tip and he sees that there's
not really enough there, and he goes back and he
adds a couple of dollars and he sees Wanda is
at another table glaring at him.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yes, and she has a scowl on her face, glat yes,
and there will be a price to pay always. By
the way, lake Bell was the other end, okay, and
that TV show she was. But the thing is someone
at home might be going, oh, I want to know,
and they might be upset with you, Susie for dismissing me.
Keep going.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When we get the mail from our viewers, I will.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm sure there's a lot of male coming from viewers handwritten.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So next next week, Larry Western Union. Larry goes to
the door, knocks on the door, and a woman answers,
and we find out that that's Deborah's mother, and he's
at Deborah's mother's house.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She's with her mother.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I cannot remember the actress's name, but I was excited
to have her because she was in Peewee's Big Adventure.
They were like sitting in the dinosaur looking at the
sky and she was really good in the movie.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yes, so I was really good in this that she's great,
And she says to Larry, are you here for the
prayer group?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Which we know he's.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Not Diane Salager as Deborah's mother, and Larry says something about,
you know, he's sorry about Deborah and Diane Salagart, Deborah's
mother says, we're all responsible for our own lives, which
is very profound and very true.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yes, no, we're not. You got to give up control and.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
She she then brings ld into the group, but then
he gets out, right, he gets out. So Larry goes
into Deborah's room and there's a black man there fixing
the cable, which is not Mike. It's a different black man,
cable fixer. And then Richard and Deborah in the room,
and Deborah's like, you know, I'll be fine to go
to the Emmy's.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And now we never see her face.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Which is so much better than prosthetics.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Put prosthetics, and we looked at her horror. I mean
to use your imagination of how swollen an man case
must look. I just right from the get go, I thought,
I remember, we didn't show that that was brilliant.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And whose choice was that? Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well, Larry's Larry's okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And also we didn't have a good budget back to budget,
so the prosthetics would have been expensive.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That's right, DeBras, I'll be fine, and Larry's I'm so
sorry about the peanuts, and Deborah is insistent ongoing to
the Emmys, and Larry's like, take a bit of a drill,
and Debrah says, it's a betrayal of my faith. And
he has if the cable guy is any good and
the remotes. He goes off on that, and then Larry
leaves and he's drawn into the prayer circle.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
This is when he's doing the pinkies.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, he's not gonna hold hands, and but not only
is he doing the pinkies, he's trying to break free
with his pinkys.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Right, and Larry is saying, you know, he can't.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Pray for Deborah because he's got bad calma and she'll
end up even sicker, which we fold the scene like
that yesterday, and of course yes, and of course he
joins hands. He ends up with two men, which is,
you know, like he tried to make it boy girl,
but he ends up with two men her husband, yeah, yeah,
and it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And then his phone goes off and what is the
ring tone?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't go you know for somebody it's Larry's personal life,
but he's not really He's proud to be a Jew,
but he's so not religious, do you know what I mean?
And so but he uses so much Jewish comedy.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Because that's how he was brought up. Even to me,
it's a cultural thing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But I'm saying, he just he does it. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, we'll be right back, stay tuned.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So there the Havanah gill is going off in the
middle of the prayer group, the Christian Science prayer group,
and then we see Larry and Richard leave, and Richard's like,
I'm going to be humiliated. I can't bring it to
the Emmys. I'm going to be humiliated. It's all your fault.
And if they go into the whole peanut versus the
cell phone, and Larry says, I thought you didn't give
a shit about how she looks.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, you love her soul.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know which, even if Richard did love his soul,
her soul, yeah, love herself, why does he want to
be seen with you?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And also to go it to the Emmys with her
head swollen?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That so unsettling.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And then they get into at no point do either
Larry or Richard show any concern for what this woman
is suffering.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It's just all about that.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Jo and they do.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They want her to take the Benadryl and get better.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
They can't believe it's just he doesn't look like that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's primarily for the Emmys. It's all about that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Even if she just even if it had nothing to
do with the Emmies, they would just be like, take
a fucking benadrulle.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It'll knock it right out, and it would. I know,
I had an.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Allergy attack the other day.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was sitting under some tree that I was just
and I went home and I took a ben adol
and I was fine under some tree in an outdoor cafe. Yeah,
and I had an analogy attack. Okay, but she's hell
bent ongoing. She won't take the benadryl. Richard says a
typical Richard.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
No, it would match your head address made of you know,
turnips and blood. So they're going to try to like
give her a shot. Then they come up with the
brilliant idea. She loved those brownies. Put it in a brownie, right,
She'd never know And Larry says he's going to get
the recipe from Susie Sheryl bake it. Next thing, you know,
(28:18):
he knocks on our door, Jeff, and I answered the
door with a new character introduced.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh yeah, Oscar, Yes, you know, I watched it with
Sari last night. She goes, you guys had a dog, Yeah,
Oscars many seasons.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, he was a great dog. That was actually two dogs.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It was Hunter and Rhett with the two dogs that
played Nperilla. I don't recall that now, but they were
beautiful German shepherds, gorgeous dogs.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
And I said that I got Oscar because now that can.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Say I never noticed it was, I swear until right now,
I had no idea it was two dogs. I thought
it was always one dog because they look exact.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh that's hilarious, like nine lassies or something like that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, somebody, well they have to it's a door.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
By the way. They had numerous gentle bends.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bart the bear who's in this cocaine bear thing. Now
there's a bear called I think it's Bart, who's been
in every single thing that that involves a real live
bear for the last fifteen years. Oh he must be
rich by now. Oh, he's loaded.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's loaded. If you did about a bear.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's what this movie is based on about. In real life,
in nineteen eighty five, a drug plane crashed and a
bear found this like ton of cocaine that the movie
is based on, right, and I had a joke about it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I remember that in the old days, I catch a
rizing store.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Okay, So Larry comes to our house and I answered
the phone looking quite young as well.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I have to no.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I turned to Sari and she read. I said, God,
doesn't Susie look beautiful? And I told sariy I go.
I was friends with their fifteen years earlier. She was gorgeous,
thank you to yeah, but less and less gorgeous over
the years. And now I'm fucking with you. Keep going
You're so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But you know what can I say?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I love you? I tell you yesterday how pretty you look?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
But the one thing about TV and you have to admit,
you see yourself twenty five years ago and it's like.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
You we were young.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hold on for yet, even young Sarah has a complete
disconnect watching me because I am so heavy and what's
the word cherubically? I had an angel you a cherubic
flip face. Yeah, and when I watch it, I get sad.
She watches it, she.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Looks get sad because you think about how sad it
must have been that you were that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That, you know, I remember how I felt, and I
feel bad for that guy. Yeah, I feel so bad
for that guy. And if that guy only knew the
ridiculously horrible things that were on their way. I'm wonderful things, yes,
of course, But I'm saying in terms of my health,
it's been a festival of shit. I mean, by the way,
(31:05):
if you're listening watching whatever, I'm very healthy and I
never had cancer. I'm not remits like I'm very healthy.
But the amount of times I've been punched in the
face with serious illness, I've lost count. I'm gonna be honest.
So I look at that guy and I think of
what happened after, and I look at the guy and
it's really sad.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
That was actually after the stroke. Yeah, that was post stroke.
I had a stroke. We've talked about it. Yeah, another
bing bang boom. The only one that I'm not strokey
is the hour Pilot per Se. That's that's pre stroke.
It was shortly that's nineteen ninety nine. Two, yeah, ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So he comes to a house and I'm like, what
are you doing? You don't call and then he tells
me about the brownies. And then Jeff stole the brownies
from his child's mouth, which bar the wayman and stole
his little girl's brownies, and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You're just there's no thing to calm you at this point.
Now it just is building and building to where you're
screaming at each other, which is we just filmed some
of that yesterday, and by the way, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
We weren't really screaming though Brownie yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yesterday. No, it's just like its own art form, its
own thing. Yesterday. I thought that was the best argument
you've ever had with Larry, Oh, I said to Jeff Shaeffer.
I go, I think this is Susie and Larry at
their best in terms of arguing. And Jeff Shaeffer said, yeah,
I think. So he walked away, and at the end
of the day he goes it was he goes, I.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Think I thought it was a little too hot.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Okay, but in this scene he says, well, it's a
testament to the brownies.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You know, he's buttering me up. In that way that
he likes to do, which never really works.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
No, no, forget, it never really works.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Here are the two things. He will say things to
you that you feel good about. Oh, really like he'll
compliment you whatever, but that last three seconds three second, yes,
but you do react post.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Then he asked me for the recipe and I tell
him I can't give it. It's a secret family recipe.
And he says, well, I'm known for keeping a secret,
which we know is bullshit. And then he tells me
that he said, I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You, by the way in real life, by the way,
he's one of the best people. He is the best.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
He's a very good secret keeper in.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Terms of my friends. He is number one on the.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Secret that he is. I love it when he when
he does stuff like that, and he goes, I'm known
for and it's some obscure it's trade, you know, I'm
known for being on time, and then goes Ask anyone.
They will tell you that Larry David is always on time.
It's no matter what the thing is. If he's in
an argument, he's known for whatever the thing is.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
By the way, can I say I don't recall him
ever being late, you know, for anything? Yeah, some for work.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So he decides to tell me a secret to gain
my trust.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A delicious sun and he tells me, I'll tell you
a secret.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
How about that nobody knows, not even Cheryl. Well, if
he'd like to tell me, I might. I might be
losing a testicle. Yeah, it's not definite. The point is
I'm telling you. I'm sharing something with you because I
trust you, just the way I know you could trust me.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Larry, I cannot give you the recume.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
My grandmother okay, makes you rest in peace and trusted
that brownie recipe to me, And you're asking me to
break a sacred confidence.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's not a Manhattan project, you know. It's just a
little recipe.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Go get a mix or something. You're asking too much,
You ask way too much. I can't ask her.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Con I just told you I'm going to lose a ball.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Which, by the way, early on we saw where he's
desperate to have Cheryl not go but he's trying to
hold her to like have sex with her.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
What episode is that? Oh that was the massage.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Massage And then he tells her he has a lump,
he has to say, where he just goes, I have
a lump. I have a lump. You don't want to
go when I have a lump. And so here Ray
go right to the things be.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Losing your testicle, and I find that very interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But he's asking me to break a sacred confidence and
I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, by the way, here's the thing about it. Get
a mix, yes, But the point being is when he
presents his case the way you're acting, you think you're
gonna give him the recipe, and then when we get
to you, you just go off on at your grandma's recipe.
He has getting it, which makes it funnier because you.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Think because he says, I just told you I'm going
to lose a ball, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't give a shit.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
You make it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Ask me to break a sacred confidence. Go get a mix.
And then we cut to Larry and Cheryl and Richard
and they're begging Cheryl to put the benadryll in the
brownie mix.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
And Cheryl, she plays this great.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Cheryl says, you don't.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Want to take her and Richard says, I wanted to
get better, which is, you know, bullshit.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But Bobby, Cheryl does the perfect amount of pushing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That's right, yeah, perfect, like it's her.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Her performance on the show is so subtle and perfect.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And Jeff and I have said in the past, she's
really the only person that could do this with Larry
right with one word.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
When she's fed up, she says, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
All right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
The other day and I said to her, how many
times have you said that?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, another actress, Michael, that's enough?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But she said, and by the way, playing against all
these insane that's bo's perfect, She's completely perfect. All right,
went over this.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
No, don't you know anything about tampering? Huh do you
know anything about tampering? Well, you can't do that because
the brownie will fall apart.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And she says, well, why don't you bacon? I don't
know how to bacon?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
What was tampering? What was his meaning of tampering?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well, because he's putting the he's tampering, she's saying the benefit.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
She knows nothing of tampering. I didn't pick it up.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Doesn't good? Doesn't Lewis? I think it's Lewis. Maybe it's
Larry appeal to her because it's a humanitarian.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They both do.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And Richard says, my heart is breaking for her big head,
and Cheryl's reluctant, and.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Oh, he says something about it. It's a carnival.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
She looks like a carnival show. And Cheryl gives in,
and Larry says, can you bake?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
She's never done it up until then, which, by the way,
Larry David, that would never be a qualification that someone
could cook or bake. I can't see that being on
his list. I gotta find a woman that cooks and
bakes now.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And then they go back to Deborah's mother's house with
the brownies Richard and Larry, and Larry says, my wife
got the recipe, and Deborah takes a bite. They're not
the same because they they're the mix and they're just
not as good, and she's like, adamant, they are definitely
not the same.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Brain but forget the same brownies. They had to have
tasted good. She is adamant that she's not going to
eat them. So the guys are do.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You think she's suspicious at all?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
No, she really doesn't like them.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
She really doesn't like the other one who.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Says they are horrible.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Give them back you no, I know, But Larry says,
here I'll leave them, and she sayes, what do you
want me to do? And she actually hands them back
to him.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, she was disgusted by the Brownies and then she
saw something then there. Well, then she says, what time
are you picking me up tomorrow for the Emmys? And
then we see Cheryl on the sofa with her three
friends and Wanda the three people. You said, I'm not
that one to sell her friend, but Wanda was a
hired actress at that point, a hired friend, a hired friend.
And they're getting ready to watch the Emmys. They're getting
(38:33):
to watch the East Coast, the East Coast field correct,
and they're all fucking with the remote, look at the directions.
They can't get the satellite to go on, you know,
and they are upset because they're missing Joan and Melissa
for the pre show and all of that, watching the
New York feet And then Larry walks in and Wanda says,
what was that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Business I saw you yesterday at the coffee shop? Business?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
The business with the black guy?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You fix the tip?
Speaker 7 (39:00):
What happened ship? You don't know?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Larry's a Larry's a tip profiler, fixed the black mask tip?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
What are you trying to get the NAACP.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I know.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
It wasn't a racial thing.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Why you do the tip? But then watch your tiptoe
behind his back. It becomes a whole causal love between them.
And then Larry storms out in the huff I fired him,
and she's watch you fire the black man. Arrys like, oh,
the black man can't do anything wrong, can't get fired,
can't get fired. And then Wanda gets up and turns
on the satellite on the TV exactly and that was
(39:36):
all that was wrong with it the whole time. And
then we see Joan, which was a little startling to me.
I have to say, to see Joan and the back.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Stuff, I love Joan Rivers so much. Yeah, and by
the way, what I loved her as a person. She's
just so nice. And I actually did her show. She
had a podcast with a video podcast of in Bed
with Joan Rivers and it's actually in her room. You
get in bed, wow, and you enter from her, which
is really funny. And then we had the best conversation.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
She just as lovely, you know John.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
As we've been doing this show now we're on season three,
it's like we're this is from you know, two thousand
and one, two three, and people keep coming up who
are dead.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
You know, And it's like it's startling to us. I
think it's so. There was Joan and.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
She's talking about Chelsey Grammar and she calls.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
It, oh, Richard Lewis, and she calls over Richard.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Richard.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, And she calls over Richard and she's Chelsey.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Gramma, ladies and gentlemen, one of the.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Rights of our community.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Oh my god, there's Richard Lewis.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Richard, don't we Richard Richard, come out.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Swear, just get it's so good to say, Oh my god,
I've seen better faces on a hemorrhoid.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
When he called home, did you pick up the phone?
How are things a love nest?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
And there we go.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's the end, the end of the end.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
No, I mean, and by the way, very unusual for
it to end on Richard Lewis and or any of us,
for us to be the end of the show. I
remember doing one thing once that it was the end
of the show. I don't remember what that was, but
that's rare. It usually ends on Larry Ye.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Where was that film, the Joan Rivers thing?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh, it was a parking lot. It was a parking
lot near the beach. It was a parking lot literally
right by the ocean. It was actually it was one
of those parking lots.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's off probably by over there because we filmed there before.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yes, but but south of Casta del Mar and one
of the parking lots over there, and we set up
all around it. That looked good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I was wondering though, because it's obviously cut off, like
and I guess what we did that scene? Now with
one of those theaters in Westwood, we probably would have
done it. You don't like a real movie theater. I
don't know if you were there. Were you there to
make it look like an Awards?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I love how I'm giving you a look and you
keep selling it to me.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well, that's why I keep telling it, because he.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Went, Jeffrey, are you there that day?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
What's the Joan Rivers? Actually I had to have been
because I know where we filmed.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, so those must have been her lines. Oh, they're
typically right lines.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And by the way, I'm sure she improvised those lines
in the moment.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah, they're very Joe, very very We're done here. We're
done here, Johnny, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But for this episode what was you?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Thank them both episodes. Yes, all right, John for this episode.
Your effort up until now delightful. Well, thank you for
can an effort be delightful? Hey? Can I come back
ya hoop? On next week We're going to be back
with more with Jihan Hayman. Please tune in.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
You could come every week as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
We love you so please all right.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
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