August 12, 2020 • 28 mins
Four members of the Wagner family are in prison, awaiting death penalty trials for allegedly murdering of eight members of the Rhoden family. Two other family members have been arrested for supposedly conspiring to pull off the crime.
In episode three, we talk to friends of the Rhodens who shed light on the victims’ lives in the months leading up to the murders. We’ll also explore the relationship between Hanna Rhoden and Jake Wagner, the custody battle that unfolded between the two in the months before the Rhoden family was murdered, and the tragic legacy left in its wake.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the piked In Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio
and Katie Studios, the bodies.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Of seven adults and one sixteen year old boy were
found in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Four different locations along a country road in Pine County.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
A small town nightmare comes to life in rural Ohio.
Eight members of the road and family gunned down in
cold blood in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Just a nightmare scenario.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
All of them shot in the head execution style is
absolutely shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The brutal murder spark a two and a half year
investigation comprising state, local, and federal authorities. Then Attorney General
Mike DeWine comments on what ends in a stunning series
of arrests.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
At the center of this case were members of the
Wagner family, whom we believe the avalanche will show conspired
together to kill these eight people.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's a crime that shocks a once quiet community and
leaves a haunting legacy that may lie at its very heart.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There are survivors and they are very young. We're talking
three children. One is is four days old, a six
month old baby, and a three year old. And when
the reporters were asking were all of them asleep at
the time, they said no.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This is the piked In Massacre, Episode three, Hannah and Jake.
Over the course of the first two episodes, we've covered
the details of the Rodin murders and learned about the
family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners. I'm Courtney Armstrong,
a producer at KATI Studios. With Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane,
(01:33):
we worked on a documentary about the Roden murders back
in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
If we're going to talk about the road in deaths,
then we also need to talk about their lives. So
often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes
about their murders and so little about who they were prior.
I all accounts, the Roden family was a very happy,
close knit family. In fact, they lived just miles from
one another.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
They were close enough that they all lived on the
same road, which speaks to just how tight knit they were.
And you know, this family went back generations in Pike County.
Everyone we talked to you pretty much said the same
thing about them. They were all very hard working, very kind,
and very generous. And we probably heard this the most
about the matrix of the family Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Here's one of Dana's oldest friends, Becky Ryder.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
She is a very nice person, just a great mother
and a great your wife to her husband.
Speaker 8 (02:26):
Yeah, she's just so wrong, a good person.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
As we listened to Becky described Dana Roadin, we began
to see a vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend,
a caring nurse at a nearby assisted living facility, and
a surrogate mother to some of the local kids. Brittany
was one of them, a lifelong friend of Dana's son,
Chris Junior. She reminisced about Dana with Stephanie.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
She had shorter brown hair. She always had the like
curly and sometimes she was put like purple streaks in
her hair, blonde streaks like I don't know. She liked
that kind of weird stuff slumps in here like. I
always looked at her, like, what are you doing to
your hair? See now I do that to my hair.
Speaker 9 (03:08):
She would be very proud of you, Yes she would.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
She'd laugh at me.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
And Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids.
She would kind of be the mama bear.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, one time we were all riding and I wasn't
on the four wheeler with Chris. Well, we were all
riding in I actually got in a wreck because the
four wheeler, like I don't know what happened to it,
Like it just completely messed up and we flipped down
the hill and Chris went and got his mom, and
his mom like came up in the woods. It was
(03:39):
like freaking out, and then she took care of me,
gave me some eyes, she gave me some water, you know,
being that whole.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Mom like are you okay?
Speaker 10 (03:47):
Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Do I need to call the ambulance? So that was
always a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Dana met her husband, Chris Rhoden Senior, when she was
in high school, and they fell in love immediately a
few years later they got married. Here again, as Becky
Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane, she remembered meeting Dana
as a young wife who had found the man of
for dreams.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Well, I met danae her and Chris was already married.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So they got married in high school.
Speaker 11 (04:12):
Then, Yeah, she got married really young.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Was that uncommon?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew that's the
man that she loved, and she knew she wanted to
be with him forever.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Stephane likns knew Chris Senior as a devoted family man
and a skilled craftsman. She spoke to our producer Jeff
about him.
Speaker 12 (04:33):
I tell you, if you could see some of the stuff,
some of the things that he built, like the decks.
He was an amazing carpenter. He built this one that
had all kinds of intricate you know, he designed them,
you know, just his imagination. You know he could if
(04:56):
you know, if they said money's no object, you would
be a at you know, the things that he could do.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Together. Dana and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah,
and Chris Junior, but after more than twenty years of marriage,
the relationship began to fall apart. Dana and Christina got divorced,
but they continued to live on the same property, working
together to take care of the children.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
They still had each other's back no matter what. Everything
was always for the kids.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior and Dana's
only daughter.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
She was great, She was funny, She was really funny.
She was really really nice. She knew everyone, Everyone knew her,
and she just like talked to everyone, but she wasn't
stuck up or anything like that, and she lived life
to the fullest.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But after her murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear
that Hannah's life and the events leading up to her
death were much more complicated than anyone I piked in
could have known. All of this starts six years earlier,
in the summer of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen,
and she starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner.
(06:13):
At the time, Jake was just shy of eighteen. The
relationship moves quickly. Three years later, Hannah and Jake begin
planning to start a family, and in November twenty thirteen,
Hannah gives birth to their baby girl, Sophia.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
She was a great mom like sometimes she would bring
her her baby to school like the She would always
come into minding Chris's class because we had American Government together,
and she would always bring the baby in there and
let our teacher, mister Krino, see the baby.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We talked to a relative of the Wagner family. She
asked us not to use her name, but shared her
thoughts on what Jake was like as a father to Sophia.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Jake was always very i mean hand on, like he
would always be playing like, hey be outside baby, you know,
non stop hand and he always kind of make sure
that she, you know, had what she needed. Just very
active with her and very protective of her. It seems like,
(07:12):
you know, the second that like if anything bad were
to happen, I guess he was on it. Like he
was there for her. He was ready to do whatever
needed to be done in order to make sure that
she was okay.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well. Raising a family is difficult for the young couple,
they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake
works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner.
The couple in Sophia split time between the Rodent and
the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario.
Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's
(07:50):
excited to be spending time with the newest addition to
her family.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
Her great children. They absolutely adored her. They left her.
They always wanted to, you know, go with her, and
she would go out of her way to make sure
that they were taking care of or, you know, on
the holidays that they thought you know anything that cod
you think she could give them and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Dana Rohden's friend Stefanne told our producer Jeff that Dana
was just as elated.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Was she excited to be a grandmother again?
Speaker 12 (08:18):
Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for
Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and
even had rings tattooed on their fingers.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Throughout that time, Hannah became very close with the Wagner family,
so much so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells
the press that Hannah was like a daughter to her
and her entire family. So if that's the case, what
could possibly have gone wrong?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
We have a little bit of insight into that thanks
to a signed affid David that Jake Wagner submitted, And
this is just from his perspective, but what he claims
is that he and Hannah split in April twenty fifteen,
which is a year before the murders. He claims that
Hannah actually was the one to break up with him
because she thought he was working too much, and his
(09:08):
perspective was that he wanted to stay at home wife
and a full time mother to Sophia, which Hannah was
just not ready to do.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Which, again, that is his account. We don't have the
benefit of having Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's
account either. We spoke with an anonymous Wagner family source
and they say that Jake just really wasn't ready to
throw in the towel on the relationship period.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
He was trying very hard to make sure that they
got back together. He still wanted to be with her.
He was trying to get back with her, just everything
that he could.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It's really hard to know what goes on in a
relationship behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt
as though she was being controlled by Jake or that
she was in over her head and couldn't get out
of the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken
heart was really the reason that his entire family allegedly
killed her entire family.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, again, going back to kind of figuring out like
the timeline and what might have happened, We're able to
kind of piece some of it together through social media.
We found a post from July of twenty fifteen where
she made a rather cryptic entry on Facebook, posting lyrics
to a song about domestic abuse, and the lyrics read,
(10:23):
he slowly isolates her from all of her friends. She
works really hard, but he takes all of it. She
ended the post with her own words, saying, en domestic violence,
live a happier life.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It is important to note that we don't know for
an absolute fact that these posts were about Jake. The
timeline certainly matches up, but if they were all about Jake,
it raises a number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a
controlling and abusive partner. Though we can't be sure about
what went on behind the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship,
(10:56):
we do know one thing. Hannah was eighteen years old
when she posted message, and she would be dead within
a year. We're going to take a quick break here.
We'll be back in a moment. Let's go back to
(11:21):
that summer of twenty fifteen. Just after Hannah and Jake
broke up. That May, she starts dating a guy named
Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's best friend and
the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly. Here's journalist Jeff Winkler,
there was.
Speaker 13 (11:35):
This period after Hannah May had broken things off with
Jake Wagner that when she got with Charlie, it was
sort of by what you would hope for, you know,
everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly, who you know, by
all accounts was very caring, very loving, very much liked
by the family.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Charlie is proud of his relationship with Hannah. He often
posts photos of he and Hannah kissing and proclaims his
love for her online. However, as fast as things heat up,
they fizzle out just as quickly, and by the end
of July twenty fifteen, the couple breaks up. Now, according
to that same Fit David that Jake Wagner signed, he
and Hannah continue a physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany
(12:20):
told Jeff Shane what she heard about Jake Wagner and
Hannah's fraud relationship from Hannah's brother, Chris Junior.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Chris would always come to school and talk to me
about it. What would he say, just that his sister
is in a shitty situation. He just treats her awfully
and she really can't do anything about it because she
has a kid with him. He was just saying that
it's a whole bunch of bs and that Jake would
just treat her like crap.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Ele Like, what did you think about that?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
At the time, that she needed to get out of
that relationship and not be associated with that family.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
At some point this same summer, Hannah falls for another
boy from piped in, Corey Holdron. According to our Wagner
family source, when Jake finds out he's.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
Crushed, he got extremely upset when he found out that
she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt. He
didn't understand, and every time that I got a chance
to talk to him, he would cry. He was like,
you know, I don't understand why she's why she's been
this way, why she you know, won't give me from
the chance to explain myself, Like we could work on it,
(13:30):
and it would because Lucia, we would be good to Yeah,
I mean, it was just always Yeah. He was very
very upset about that. So and after I think, after
after being upset and after that kind of war off,
I think it did turn to anger.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
In August twenty fifteen, hannah summer ends with a big shock.
She's pregnant. Unlike her first child, this one is unplanned,
adding to the anxiety, she doesn't know who the father is.
The potential fathers are Charlie Gilly, Corey Haldron, and Jake Wagner.
(14:12):
For Jake, the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I could just tell by talking to him that when
he did find out that Hannah was pregnant again that
it almost was like a sense of relief to him,
kind of. I think he thought that was going to
bring him back together. He as Hannah and was willing
to bear, you know, for the birth. He was acting,
you know, if she needed any help with anything with
(14:37):
the baby, like the child support, he was willing to
pay that He had gotten things for the baby at
one point on him and Angela had went and bought
a crib and just things like that for the child. Yeah,
and this was before he had any idea if it
was even his or not.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But behind the scenes, there are rumors that the once
amicable cope parenting situation between Hannah and Jake is beginning
to fall apart. According to Mike Gallon, attorney and legal
analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things soon reached a
boiling point.
Speaker 14 (15:10):
Two or three weeks prior to the murder, there's evidence
that Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hannah
rode and to sign some documents that related to custody
of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again, our Wagner
family member, there.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Was a custody battle. It's basically would have been able
to do. There was a custody battle between you know,
the the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see her
or any of the family to see her, and so
it kind of just it got out of hand at
that point. It just set him off to the point
where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple
(15:51):
of times, I mean, and I had to a couple
of people about this. I mean, he had made the comments,
you know, that he were going to kill her, and
he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm going
to I'm going to ever chill you like, you're not
going You're not gonna let me see the baby, then
you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake,
(16:12):
you can't say those things. Please just chill out and
of course. You know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh
my god, he's actually gonna consider that.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Right, People say stuff like that all the time, right.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
It's right, like, especially when I'm upset as he was.
I mean, he was just completely out of his mind.
It really really upset him.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst of the
couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a baby girl
named Kylie. On the birth certificate, she doesn't list anyone
as the father. Less than a week later, on April
twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her family are
found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life of baby
(16:58):
Kylie and her two cousin are spared. The brutal murderers
committed in front of these young children rattled everyone who
heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like then Attorney
General Mike DeWine.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I guess the worst thing I've ever seen. And when
you see a mother, young mother just gave worth four
days before and she's murdered right beside her child. Thank
God they did not harm the baby. But you know,
it doesn't get much worse than that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to make sense
of the killer's intentions.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
There was a conscious choice to leave every single young
child alive who basically couldn't identify them successfully. I mean,
that is probably the most.
Speaker 15 (17:44):
Shocking part of the whole ordeals, that there was a
conscious choice by these killers to spare the children, which
sort of displays the cold heartedness of decisions they were making.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder,
it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files
for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He
seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even
if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the
sisters could spend time together.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah, the whole Wagner family was pretty vocal at that
time about their need to have custody of these kids.
Angela Wagner told the press that Sophia and Kylie quote
unquote needed each other and that when they got older
enough to understand what happened to their mother, that they
will really need each other.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Right and custody is something as complicated and it varies
state by state, So Stephanie, I know you dug into
this quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to a family law
attorney in Ohio and you know, yes, if you're an
unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you. The father
does not have any parental rights unless he goes to
court and files accordingly. To that point, these papers for
custody were filed exactly one week after the murders. That's
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pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents together
in such a short amount of time. I know things
vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual to
have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports I've
indicated that that may mean that they had been going
through the process and that Jake and the Wagner family
were compiling documents in such prior to the murders. So
(19:34):
it is possible that because he didn't have any rights,
could that actually be reason enough to go through with
this crime.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen. He's a former prosecutor
and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio, and
he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings look
from a legal perspective.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
That's extremely strong evidence for the prosecution. I mean six days,
less than a week after the killings.
Speaker 14 (20:01):
To go ahead and file it can take.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more,
a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly
at all, and I think that that is going to
be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it
that quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
After the murders, Jake seems determined to be a father
to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout Hannah's pregnancy
and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly says there's
a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's so confident
that shortly after Kylie is born he checks her for
a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to
be there, so it was a very emotional time for him.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
So he really wanted to be a part of Hannah's
life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Absolutely, he was still willing, I guess, to help with
the child, help with you know, whatever Hannah would need.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the Rodent murders,
Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holtron all take paternity tests.
It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
With baby Kylie going to her father, Charlie Gilly, three
year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused,
which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events.
In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly
picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result,
Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was
(21:44):
that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does
that actually point to a larger plot?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, for example, if the Wagners indeed are the killers,
then on the very day Hannah and the rest of
the Rodents that they were celebrating the expected birth of
Kylie with the baby shower, the Wagoners were out shopping
at Walmart for items that the prosecutor plans to introduce
his evidence at their trial.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Right, That's an important trip to Walmart that becomes a
big piece of this case. We've seen those photographs too,
from the baby shower and everybody looks so happy. You know,
it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's dream was
to be a family again with Hannah. He was in
love with her. He wanted to keep his family together.
Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing your child?
(22:31):
It doesn't really totally make sense.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Journalists Jodi Barr analyze the potential motive.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
The older these kids get, the more they're going to
look like their moms and dads who are murdered. And
you want that connection, and these families are fighting over
that through the court system. And now on the back
end of this, you learned that Wait a minute, if
everything is true that these investigators have a ledge in
these charging documents, man, this goes much deeper, you know,
(22:58):
as far as the custody is involved here, if that
is truly what happened. But this is a case. I mean,
we're four years removed from this now. I think about
this every day in some respect. I mean, if it's
you know, you wonder about those kids, you know how
they're doing now? Is it gotten any easier to accept this?
Are those kids do they remember any part of this?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
It's a whole I mean it's generations of a family
wiped out.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
Yeah, then you think about, you know, in the back
end of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere.
What do you do with those children? What are they
telling them? You know, it's just like when you when
you think about the human end of this outside of
the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be
hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you
imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where
their mom and dad are or tell me about my
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mom and dad. And I mean they're going to get
on the internet one day, they're going to google it.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
I mean, you google Rodent.
Speaker 11 (23:52):
The worst news possible that any human could ever have
is going to come up, and you know, how do
you prepare them for that? This is a you know,
whatever happened that morning on Union Hill Road, you know
it impacted a lot more than just those eight people
who are killed. I mean, you've got their family members
and you've got people in that area are going to
remember this forever. This is never going away.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back
in a moment. The legacy still lingers on with Dana's
friend Stephane quite ashamed.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
You know that paina may you know, just just had
that baby and they you know, it's oh, it makes
me sick.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's really unimaginable.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
You know, no one deserves, no one deserves to die
the way that they did. And it breaks my heart.
It breaks my heart that they and I'll never see
her kids, you know, grow up to go to school,
get married, have their own children.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay to be emotional about it.
I mean, it is emotional. It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
On the one hand, you've heard I'm sure you've heard.
I've heard that like whoever did this, you know, had
like some sort of moral code that they wouldn't hurt
the children and they wouldn't you know, harm the kids.
But then on the other hand, it's like, but they
left all these kids without a family, and so like
that's almost worse in a way.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Yes, And I feel so sorry for the children. You
know that they will never get to know their parents,
you know, will never grow they'll grow up without their parents.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We know that the Wagoners are in prison awaiting trial
for these murders, but also that they've pled not guilty
to all charges. It's also important to remember that they
are innocent until proven guilty. So if somebody else other
than the Wagoners committed this crime, who was it and why.
(26:21):
During the ensuing investigation, information started to emerge that perhaps
there were several other theories that needed to be considered closely.
Here's reporter James Pilcher, who followed the story closely for years.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
On the surface, the Rodents appeared to be the salt
of the earth, all American, very close knit family, and
there were other things that led you to believe that
all was now as it seemed. There had been reports
of scuffles with other people in public, there had been
reports of run ins with law enforcement, and.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It wasn't long before authorities made a shocking discovery that
turned the case on its head. Here's the Attorney General,
Mike DeWine at a news conference a few days after
the murders took place.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Let me go ahead, and I think it's okay for
us to confirm that we did find marijuana in three
three locations.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
There's a grow operations.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Later, it was discovered that the Rodents had a pretty
sizeable crop of marijuana plants on their property. You know,
there were indications that they were involved in some drug deals,
in drug trade with marijuana. That obviously fueled even more
speculation that these were outside operators. Possibly was as a
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drug deal gone bad, or was somebody trying to take
over their turf. All kinds of rumors started flow after
that disclosure.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
More on that next week. Picked In Massacre there is
executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker and me Courtney Armstrong, editing
and sound design by executive producer Jared Aston, Additional producing
by Jeff Shane and Andrew Becker. The piked in Massacre
is a production of iHeartRadio and Kati Studios. For more
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Welcome to the piked In Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio
and Katie Studios, the bodies.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Of seven adults and one sixteen year old boy were
found in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Four different locations along a country road in Pine County.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
A small town nightmare comes to life in rural Ohio.
Eight members of the road and family gunned down in
cold blood in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Just a nightmare scenario.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
All of them shot in the head execution style is
absolutely shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The brutal murder spark a two and a half year
investigation comprising state, local, and federal authorities. Then Attorney General
Mike DeWine comments on what ends in a stunning series
of arrests.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
At the center of this case were members of the
Wagner family, whom we believe the avalanche will show conspired
together to kill these eight people.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's a crime that shocks a once quiet community and
leaves a haunting legacy that may lie at its very heart.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There are survivors and they are very young. We're talking
three children. One is is four days old, a six
month old baby, and a three year old. And when
the reporters were asking were all of them asleep at
the time, they said no.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This is the piked In Massacre, Episode three, Hannah and Jake.
Over the course of the first two episodes, we've covered
the details of the Rodin murders and learned about the
family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners. I'm Courtney Armstrong,
a producer at KATI Studios. With Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane,
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we worked on a documentary about the Roden murders back
in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
If we're going to talk about the road in deaths,
then we also need to talk about their lives. So
often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes
about their murders and so little about who they were prior.
I all accounts, the Roden family was a very happy,
close knit family. In fact, they lived just miles from
one another.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
They were close enough that they all lived on the
same road, which speaks to just how tight knit they were.
And you know, this family went back generations in Pike County.
Everyone we talked to you pretty much said the same
thing about them. They were all very hard working, very kind,
and very generous. And we probably heard this the most
about the matrix of the family Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Here's one of Dana's oldest friends, Becky Ryder.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
She is a very nice person, just a great mother
and a great your wife to her husband.
Speaker 8 (02:26):
Yeah, she's just so wrong, a good person.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
As we listened to Becky described Dana Roadin, we began
to see a vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend,
a caring nurse at a nearby assisted living facility, and
a surrogate mother to some of the local kids. Brittany
was one of them, a lifelong friend of Dana's son,
Chris Junior. She reminisced about Dana with Stephanie.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
She had shorter brown hair. She always had the like
curly and sometimes she was put like purple streaks in
her hair, blonde streaks like I don't know. She liked
that kind of weird stuff slumps in here like. I
always looked at her, like, what are you doing to
your hair? See now I do that to my hair.
Speaker 9 (03:08):
She would be very proud of you, Yes she would.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
She'd laugh at me.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
And Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids.
She would kind of be the mama bear.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, one time we were all riding and I wasn't
on the four wheeler with Chris. Well, we were all
riding in I actually got in a wreck because the
four wheeler, like I don't know what happened to it,
Like it just completely messed up and we flipped down
the hill and Chris went and got his mom, and
his mom like came up in the woods. It was
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like freaking out, and then she took care of me,
gave me some eyes, she gave me some water, you know,
being that whole.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Mom like are you okay?
Speaker 10 (03:47):
Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Do I need to call the ambulance? So that was
always a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Dana met her husband, Chris Rhoden Senior, when she was
in high school, and they fell in love immediately a
few years later they got married. Here again, as Becky
Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane, she remembered meeting Dana
as a young wife who had found the man of
for dreams.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Well, I met danae her and Chris was already married.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So they got married in high school.
Speaker 11 (04:12):
Then, Yeah, she got married really young.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Was that uncommon?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew that's the
man that she loved, and she knew she wanted to
be with him forever.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Stephane likns knew Chris Senior as a devoted family man
and a skilled craftsman. She spoke to our producer Jeff
about him.
Speaker 12 (04:33):
I tell you, if you could see some of the stuff,
some of the things that he built, like the decks.
He was an amazing carpenter. He built this one that
had all kinds of intricate you know, he designed them,
you know, just his imagination. You know he could if
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you know, if they said money's no object, you would
be a at you know, the things that he could do.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Together. Dana and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah,
and Chris Junior, but after more than twenty years of marriage,
the relationship began to fall apart. Dana and Christina got divorced,
but they continued to live on the same property, working
together to take care of the children.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
They still had each other's back no matter what. Everything
was always for the kids.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior and Dana's
only daughter.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
She was great, She was funny, She was really funny.
She was really really nice. She knew everyone, Everyone knew her,
and she just like talked to everyone, but she wasn't
stuck up or anything like that, and she lived life
to the fullest.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But after her murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear
that Hannah's life and the events leading up to her
death were much more complicated than anyone I piked in
could have known. All of this starts six years earlier,
in the summer of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen,
and she starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner.
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At the time, Jake was just shy of eighteen. The
relationship moves quickly. Three years later, Hannah and Jake begin
planning to start a family, and in November twenty thirteen,
Hannah gives birth to their baby girl, Sophia.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
She was a great mom like sometimes she would bring
her her baby to school like the She would always
come into minding Chris's class because we had American Government together,
and she would always bring the baby in there and
let our teacher, mister Krino, see the baby.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We talked to a relative of the Wagner family. She
asked us not to use her name, but shared her
thoughts on what Jake was like as a father to Sophia.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Jake was always very i mean hand on, like he
would always be playing like, hey be outside baby, you know,
non stop hand and he always kind of make sure
that she, you know, had what she needed. Just very
active with her and very protective of her. It seems like,
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you know, the second that like if anything bad were
to happen, I guess he was on it. Like he
was there for her. He was ready to do whatever
needed to be done in order to make sure that
she was okay.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well. Raising a family is difficult for the young couple,
they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake
works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner.
The couple in Sophia split time between the Rodent and
the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario.
Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's
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excited to be spending time with the newest addition to
her family.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
Her great children. They absolutely adored her. They left her.
They always wanted to, you know, go with her, and
she would go out of her way to make sure
that they were taking care of or, you know, on
the holidays that they thought you know anything that cod
you think she could give them and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Dana Rohden's friend Stefanne told our producer Jeff that Dana
was just as elated.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Was she excited to be a grandmother again?
Speaker 12 (08:18):
Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for
Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and
even had rings tattooed on their fingers.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Throughout that time, Hannah became very close with the Wagner family,
so much so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells
the press that Hannah was like a daughter to her
and her entire family. So if that's the case, what
could possibly have gone wrong?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
We have a little bit of insight into that thanks
to a signed affid David that Jake Wagner submitted, And
this is just from his perspective, but what he claims
is that he and Hannah split in April twenty fifteen,
which is a year before the murders. He claims that
Hannah actually was the one to break up with him
because she thought he was working too much, and his
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perspective was that he wanted to stay at home wife
and a full time mother to Sophia, which Hannah was
just not ready to do.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Which, again, that is his account. We don't have the
benefit of having Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's
account either. We spoke with an anonymous Wagner family source
and they say that Jake just really wasn't ready to
throw in the towel on the relationship period.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
He was trying very hard to make sure that they
got back together. He still wanted to be with her.
He was trying to get back with her, just everything
that he could.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It's really hard to know what goes on in a
relationship behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt
as though she was being controlled by Jake or that
she was in over her head and couldn't get out
of the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken
heart was really the reason that his entire family allegedly
killed her entire family.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, again, going back to kind of figuring out like
the timeline and what might have happened, We're able to
kind of piece some of it together through social media.
We found a post from July of twenty fifteen where
she made a rather cryptic entry on Facebook, posting lyrics
to a song about domestic abuse, and the lyrics read,
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he slowly isolates her from all of her friends. She
works really hard, but he takes all of it. She
ended the post with her own words, saying, en domestic violence,
live a happier life.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It is important to note that we don't know for
an absolute fact that these posts were about Jake. The
timeline certainly matches up, but if they were all about Jake,
it raises a number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a
controlling and abusive partner. Though we can't be sure about
what went on behind the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship,
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we do know one thing. Hannah was eighteen years old
when she posted message, and she would be dead within
a year. We're going to take a quick break here.
We'll be back in a moment. Let's go back to
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that summer of twenty fifteen. Just after Hannah and Jake
broke up. That May, she starts dating a guy named
Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's best friend and
the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly. Here's journalist Jeff Winkler,
there was.
Speaker 13 (11:35):
This period after Hannah May had broken things off with
Jake Wagner that when she got with Charlie, it was
sort of by what you would hope for, you know,
everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly, who you know, by
all accounts was very caring, very loving, very much liked
by the family.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Charlie is proud of his relationship with Hannah. He often
posts photos of he and Hannah kissing and proclaims his
love for her online. However, as fast as things heat up,
they fizzle out just as quickly, and by the end
of July twenty fifteen, the couple breaks up. Now, according
to that same Fit David that Jake Wagner signed, he
and Hannah continue a physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany
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told Jeff Shane what she heard about Jake Wagner and
Hannah's fraud relationship from Hannah's brother, Chris Junior.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Chris would always come to school and talk to me
about it. What would he say, just that his sister
is in a shitty situation. He just treats her awfully
and she really can't do anything about it because she
has a kid with him. He was just saying that
it's a whole bunch of bs and that Jake would
just treat her like crap.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Ele Like, what did you think about that?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
At the time, that she needed to get out of
that relationship and not be associated with that family.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
At some point this same summer, Hannah falls for another
boy from piped in, Corey Holdron. According to our Wagner
family source, when Jake finds out he's.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
Crushed, he got extremely upset when he found out that
she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt. He
didn't understand, and every time that I got a chance
to talk to him, he would cry. He was like,
you know, I don't understand why she's why she's been
this way, why she you know, won't give me from
the chance to explain myself, Like we could work on it,
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and it would because Lucia, we would be good to Yeah,
I mean, it was just always Yeah. He was very
very upset about that. So and after I think, after
after being upset and after that kind of war off,
I think it did turn to anger.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
In August twenty fifteen, hannah summer ends with a big shock.
She's pregnant. Unlike her first child, this one is unplanned,
adding to the anxiety, she doesn't know who the father is.
The potential fathers are Charlie Gilly, Corey Haldron, and Jake Wagner.
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For Jake, the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I could just tell by talking to him that when
he did find out that Hannah was pregnant again that
it almost was like a sense of relief to him,
kind of. I think he thought that was going to
bring him back together. He as Hannah and was willing
to bear, you know, for the birth. He was acting,
you know, if she needed any help with anything with
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the baby, like the child support, he was willing to
pay that He had gotten things for the baby at
one point on him and Angela had went and bought
a crib and just things like that for the child. Yeah,
and this was before he had any idea if it
was even his or not.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But behind the scenes, there are rumors that the once
amicable cope parenting situation between Hannah and Jake is beginning
to fall apart. According to Mike Gallon, attorney and legal
analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things soon reached a
boiling point.
Speaker 14 (15:10):
Two or three weeks prior to the murder, there's evidence
that Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hannah
rode and to sign some documents that related to custody
of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again, our Wagner
family member, there.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Was a custody battle. It's basically would have been able
to do. There was a custody battle between you know,
the the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see her
or any of the family to see her, and so
it kind of just it got out of hand at
that point. It just set him off to the point
where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple
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of times, I mean, and I had to a couple
of people about this. I mean, he had made the comments,
you know, that he were going to kill her, and
he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm going
to I'm going to ever chill you like, you're not
going You're not gonna let me see the baby, then
you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake,
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you can't say those things. Please just chill out and
of course. You know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh
my god, he's actually gonna consider that.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Right, People say stuff like that all the time, right.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
It's right, like, especially when I'm upset as he was.
I mean, he was just completely out of his mind.
It really really upset him.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst of the
couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a baby girl
named Kylie. On the birth certificate, she doesn't list anyone
as the father. Less than a week later, on April
twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her family are
found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life of baby
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Kylie and her two cousin are spared. The brutal murderers
committed in front of these young children rattled everyone who
heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like then Attorney
General Mike DeWine.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I guess the worst thing I've ever seen. And when
you see a mother, young mother just gave worth four
days before and she's murdered right beside her child. Thank
God they did not harm the baby. But you know,
it doesn't get much worse than that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to make sense
of the killer's intentions.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
There was a conscious choice to leave every single young
child alive who basically couldn't identify them successfully. I mean,
that is probably the most.
Speaker 15 (17:44):
Shocking part of the whole ordeals, that there was a
conscious choice by these killers to spare the children, which
sort of displays the cold heartedness of decisions they were making.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder,
it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files
for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He
seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even
if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the
sisters could spend time together.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah, the whole Wagner family was pretty vocal at that
time about their need to have custody of these kids.
Angela Wagner told the press that Sophia and Kylie quote
unquote needed each other and that when they got older
enough to understand what happened to their mother, that they
will really need each other.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Right and custody is something as complicated and it varies
state by state, So Stephanie, I know you dug into
this quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to a family law
attorney in Ohio and you know, yes, if you're an
unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you. The father
does not have any parental rights unless he goes to
court and files accordingly. To that point, these papers for
custody were filed exactly one week after the murders. That's
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pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents together
in such a short amount of time. I know things
vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual to
have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports I've
indicated that that may mean that they had been going
through the process and that Jake and the Wagner family
were compiling documents in such prior to the murders. So
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it is possible that because he didn't have any rights,
could that actually be reason enough to go through with
this crime.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen. He's a former prosecutor
and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio, and
he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings look
from a legal perspective.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
That's extremely strong evidence for the prosecution. I mean six days,
less than a week after the killings.
Speaker 14 (20:01):
To go ahead and file it can take.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more,
a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly
at all, and I think that that is going to
be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it
that quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
After the murders, Jake seems determined to be a father
to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout Hannah's pregnancy
and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly says there's
a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's so confident
that shortly after Kylie is born he checks her for
a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to
be there, so it was a very emotional time for him.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
So he really wanted to be a part of Hannah's
life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Absolutely, he was still willing, I guess, to help with
the child, help with you know, whatever Hannah would need.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the Rodent murders,
Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holtron all take paternity tests.
It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
With baby Kylie going to her father, Charlie Gilly, three
year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused,
which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events.
In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly
picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result,
Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was
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that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does
that actually point to a larger plot?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, for example, if the Wagners indeed are the killers,
then on the very day Hannah and the rest of
the Rodents that they were celebrating the expected birth of
Kylie with the baby shower, the Wagoners were out shopping
at Walmart for items that the prosecutor plans to introduce
his evidence at their trial.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Right, That's an important trip to Walmart that becomes a
big piece of this case. We've seen those photographs too,
from the baby shower and everybody looks so happy. You know,
it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's dream was
to be a family again with Hannah. He was in
love with her. He wanted to keep his family together.
Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing your child?
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It doesn't really totally make sense.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Journalists Jodi Barr analyze the potential motive.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
The older these kids get, the more they're going to
look like their moms and dads who are murdered. And
you want that connection, and these families are fighting over
that through the court system. And now on the back
end of this, you learned that Wait a minute, if
everything is true that these investigators have a ledge in
these charging documents, man, this goes much deeper, you know,
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as far as the custody is involved here, if that
is truly what happened. But this is a case. I mean,
we're four years removed from this now. I think about
this every day in some respect. I mean, if it's
you know, you wonder about those kids, you know how
they're doing now? Is it gotten any easier to accept this?
Are those kids do they remember any part of this?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
It's a whole I mean it's generations of a family
wiped out.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
Yeah, then you think about, you know, in the back
end of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere.
What do you do with those children? What are they
telling them? You know, it's just like when you when
you think about the human end of this outside of
the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be
hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you
imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where
their mom and dad are or tell me about my
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mom and dad. And I mean they're going to get
on the internet one day, they're going to google it.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
I mean, you google Rodent.
Speaker 11 (23:52):
The worst news possible that any human could ever have
is going to come up, and you know, how do
you prepare them for that? This is a you know,
whatever happened that morning on Union Hill Road, you know
it impacted a lot more than just those eight people
who are killed. I mean, you've got their family members
and you've got people in that area are going to
remember this forever. This is never going away.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back
in a moment. The legacy still lingers on with Dana's
friend Stephane quite ashamed.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
You know that paina may you know, just just had
that baby and they you know, it's oh, it makes
me sick.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's really unimaginable.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
You know, no one deserves, no one deserves to die
the way that they did. And it breaks my heart.
It breaks my heart that they and I'll never see
her kids, you know, grow up to go to school,
get married, have their own children.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay to be emotional about it.
I mean, it is emotional. It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
On the one hand, you've heard I'm sure you've heard.
I've heard that like whoever did this, you know, had
like some sort of moral code that they wouldn't hurt
the children and they wouldn't you know, harm the kids.
But then on the other hand, it's like, but they
left all these kids without a family, and so like
that's almost worse in a way.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Yes, And I feel so sorry for the children. You
know that they will never get to know their parents,
you know, will never grow they'll grow up without their parents.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We know that the Wagoners are in prison awaiting trial
for these murders, but also that they've pled not guilty
to all charges. It's also important to remember that they
are innocent until proven guilty. So if somebody else other
than the Wagoners committed this crime, who was it and why.
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During the ensuing investigation, information started to emerge that perhaps
there were several other theories that needed to be considered closely.
Here's reporter James Pilcher, who followed the story closely for years.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
On the surface, the Rodents appeared to be the salt
of the earth, all American, very close knit family, and
there were other things that led you to believe that
all was now as it seemed. There had been reports
of scuffles with other people in public, there had been
reports of run ins with law enforcement, and.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It wasn't long before authorities made a shocking discovery that
turned the case on its head. Here's the Attorney General,
Mike DeWine at a news conference a few days after
the murders took place.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Let me go ahead, and I think it's okay for
us to confirm that we did find marijuana in three
three locations.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
There's a grow operations.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Later, it was discovered that the Rodents had a pretty
sizeable crop of marijuana plants on their property. You know,
there were indications that they were involved in some drug deals,
in drug trade with marijuana. That obviously fueled even more
speculation that these were outside operators. Possibly was as a
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drug deal gone bad, or was somebody trying to take
over their turf. All kinds of rumors started flow after
that disclosure.
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executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker and me Courtney Armstrong, editing
and sound design by executive producer Jared Aston, Additional producing
by Jeff Shane and Andrew Becker. The piked in Massacre
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