September 7, 2022 • 47 mins
Jillian Michaels joins Bobbi with the secrets to healthy living!She’s got the recipes to living long and also how to walk the balancing act when it comes to your kids and junk food.It’s all about eating right, educating yourself and listening to your body.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I first met Gillian Michaels on address for Success Power Walk,
and of course, you know, I was so psyched. I
walked next to her and asked every single question that
I'm really looking forward to asking again because I'm very
curious about how to look better, how to feel better,
how to do all those things. I've had her on
my podcast before, and I've just watched her for a
(00:22):
long time. I just love how how direct and how
she believes in herself. So here goes my conversation with
Gillian Michaels. I have a lot of questions. Hello, how
are you. I'm good, How are you? It's been It's
been a long time. It had Oh my god, pre
COVID TACs. I know, I know everything is pre COVID.
(00:44):
It's like I think I'm three years younger or two
years younger. I didn't really get older the last couple
of years, but I did exactly what you mean. It's
like bc AD, it's like PC pre COVID. She everything.
I was like, how I relate to the world, I'm like,
oh man, that was pre COVID, wasn't it. How are
(01:04):
you good? But sometimes I want to go back for
twenty four hours like, you know, like, right, how did
you do? How did you do for the two years?
You know, honestly, COVID wasn't such a hard time for me.
I got very lucky. I had my ass kicked the
last two years. That had nothing to do with COVID,
So just life kicked my ass, Like I got a
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nice ass kicking from life. Like, what anything you want
to talk about, because oh my gosh, I mean just stuff,
sick friends. You know, it's just crazy, you know, tough
work situations, things that are just everybody kind of deals
with that. You like, you know, you can't can't really
(01:50):
prepare for it, you guys. You just roll with the
punches and you learn from what you can learn from
and and that's that's But yeah, I have she just
I swear to you the last couple of years, I'm like,
come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, life is
(02:10):
not the way we knew it, you know, so it's
ours to reinvent. But you know, you've been our teacher
for like decades. How long have you been in the
public eye. Gosh, uh dating the heck out of myself
here eighteen years? Okay, Well, you know what, if you
want to feel young I'm gonna make for somewhere between
(02:34):
thirty and forty years. HU been h been the top
top notch way longer than I have. So but then
I'm like, that could come off wrong. So I just said,
just just give you the dates. Yeah, but I I
I mean, just because it's printed everywhere. I am sixty
five years old. So it's like I just got so
much older than everyone else, Like how did that happen?
(02:55):
You know? I was at the same age and now
I'm like, okay, but you know, I mean, I'm make
the best of it. Put it that way. It's longevity
though it's actually, um such a huge testament to how
fantastic you are. And the reason you've got so much
older than everybody else is because it's a matter of attrition, right,
It's like the last man standing, and it has to
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do with how great you are, what you do. You know,
I don't feel my age. I don't think I look
my age. I don't do a whole lot to myself.
And you know, I am someone who's a fanatic about fitness,
a fanatic about wellness. I've been following you forever and
you know, how have you changed? Have you? Have you
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loosened up in your eighteen years god, which known as
a top one. It depends on what you're what you're
applying that to, you know, if it's if it's personally
or if it's professionally, um, fitness, fitness, food, you know,
the stuff that we all struggle with. To be honest
(03:58):
with you, this is so tough because in a world
where everyone has become so overwhelmingly fragile, and you know,
I find that people nowadays fight for their limitations more
than they ever have. It's it's fascinating. Like I I
was just answering. I was doing some TikTok questions and
(04:19):
I was answering one about a polycystical variant syndrome. And
I cannot tell you how many women come out of
the woodwork to just go crazy on me. And it's like, you, bitch,
you've no idea. I have pc U S. And then
I turned around and politely said, you know, I struggled
with pcos when I was in my teens and I
was able to reverse it completely, and I suggest, you know,
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these are the ways forward. But instead of saying, wow, really,
how did you do that? Maybe I can learn something here.
It's yeah, you know you you, you bitch, you liar,
and then you never hear for them again. So like,
I actually think that I in a time where people
are so attached to being a victim. It tends to
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make me digging a little bit deeper and just say no,
that that's not true. It doesn't have to be an
aggressive tone. But the messaging is just just I plant
myself firmly in the truth, and I do my homework
with the appropriate professionals so that I can be as
bullet proof as possible when I give that information. The
truth is, if you have pc US, you can be healthy.
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It is possible. It's not easy, but it can absolutely
be done, and it's worth doing, and anybody is capable
of it. And just one example, right, but nothing is easy,
and you know we are both understand that. Okay, So
let's just start at the most pressing question out there.
Do you eat bread? Oh? My God, of course I do. UM.
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I look, the areas where I have become crazy would
be supplementation. And I have the luxury of talking to
so many different researchers um in nutrition and so many
different doctors who specialize in now studying food is medicine.
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Whether it's Dr William Lee or Dr Rum And I
do like these. These are great minds, I mean brilliant,
brilliant people who are teaching me things about the Ariona
Barry and how it can help with the length of
our telomeres and talking to guys like Dan Butner from
the Blue Zones. This stuff fascinates me. I'll eat weird
stuff because I want to live to be a hundred
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and ten with a great quality of life. So I've
gotten a little weird that way. Anyways, what should we
be eating? What weird? Because i'd stuff? Okay, So so
first stuff I do eat bread, I eat all the
normal stuff. I just try to avoid and this I
think is is good advice for everybody, and I think
it's successful. Try to avoid fake food. You know, when
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you buy bread, try to buy an organic whole grain read.
If you can't tolerate aze heel bread, try to buy
Dave's Killer bread. You know it's it's a bit more
more palatable. Um, whole grain better for you. Options don't
get you know, the crappy processed white flower that's been bleak.
Everybody knows this. The common sense diet is what I follow, right,
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I eat real food. I don't overeat it, and I
try to remove chemicals and fake fats, fake sugars, fake flavors, preservatives,
as often as possible. It's not food. It's not so
that that should apply to everyone. So if you use
common sense with your food and you don't overeat, you
will actually be just fine. Okay, top notch with that said,
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because I'm a bit nuts with this information because I'm
passionate about it. I do look at food as medicine,
and I'm not suggesting it should replace medicine. I am
not a doctor, but there are foods that are very
powerful tools in helping to prevent disease. So whether I'm
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looking at maringa or ashwaganda or ariona berries or you know,
all cuman but with just the right amount of black pepper.
But then I'm taking I'm taking all kinds of crazy stuff.
And I'm a big supplement person, and um, I look
at Buddhist medicines. So whenever I eat something, I know
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that that's a choice, right And I'm like, this bite
can cure me or it can kill me, and I
try to make it the one that cures me, if
that makes any sense. So I will have all my
supplements be crill oil, vitamin D, the college and multi
college and peptides with MS and glucos, and me can
join in the greens powder with all the things, the
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organic greens powder with the mooringa and the ashwaganda and
that this, that the other, all the stuff that you'd
expect in it an organic reds powder. And then I
make my own blend of crazy crap with like ginger
and tumeric and black pepper and cinnamon, and I put
that in a coffee with adapted Jen's because I'm nuts.
This is where I get a little nuts. It's disgusting,
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it's gross. Uh and and green tea. So but each
one of these things helping inflammation or killing cancer cells.
So you asked me a little that parts a little nuts.
I'll go back to what I think is a bit
more relatable, which is used common sense and don't over
eat right and and der kids eat the way you do.
Or are they sneaking? Are they sneaking and junk? They
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don't because they do throw it. We know what we're
past the sneak. So with the kids, we're in the point.
You know their ten and twelve, and I just just
had this conversation with my daughter the other day because
she said something to me about like when she was
in l A with my my ex and co parents.
She's like, who's goes by mommy? I go by Mama
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and she's like, well, Mommy said I couldn't have that,
and I know that's not true. My x X and
I I've decided that we're both going to be like,
look to your body. We've told you all that we
can tell you, we've made recommendations to you. We do
what we do, but you're gonna do what you're gonna
do because we have the kind of kids that are
gonna do what they're gonna do. Now. Look, if it's drugs,
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if it's alcohol, if it's you know, sex at a
young age, obviously we're gonna do We're gonna get super
aggressive about protecting them. But with food, they'll just go
to camp, they'll just go to their friend's house, they'll
just go to the vending machine at school. And how
do I know, because they do and have. So we've
decided to just continue educating them and to try to
give them healthy food in the house, you know, like
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I don't carry blue gummy candy in my house. But
when my son goes to It's Sugar with his friend
and the friend's mom to go see a movie and
it comes home with his tongues blue. It's like, I'm
my buddy, come on, can't we do like the organic,
you know, yummy bears that stuff? And I told him
a yeah, and I'm like this, this stuff on your
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tongue is not food, but it does, but it does backfire.
When I was a kid, my mother was a health nut,
but she was a diet nut, and so I was
not allowed. I was a chubby kid. I know you
are too. I was now allowed to eat certain things
like I got I couldn't have cake or I couldn't
have anything, So that's bad. Idea. I had money in
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my pocket. My friends and I would be they'd buy
a thing, a candy, and I would buy twelve and
I'd be shoving them in my face, and you know what,
black fires, So you're doing us. It's it's you know,
when they're little, you try to give them these boundaries
of like, no, we're not going to eat a second
piece of cake. When I get this age, they're like,
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I do what I want. And they're both almost bigger.
Both of them are factually bigger than me now, you know,
and they have access to things. And this is where
the conversation just changes. It just does, especially with my
daughter who's five six huge and I don't wait. I mean,
the child is like solid muscle. She can get your ass.
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I mean, and it's under the point where I'm like, look,
I love you. I can only give you my best advice.
And you're gonna make these decisions. I hope you make
the best ones, or at least use common sense. You know,
we're gonna say it kinding. Yeah, And as someone who's
raised three kids, you know, three sons, you know, two
are married now one's about to have a baby. They're
all foodies. And these kids used to drive me crazy
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with the stuff that they would want to eat. They
are all foodies. They're all health people and you know
what they observe. So you know you're doing you're doing
a good job. Oh you're sweet. Oh so we shall see. Yeah,
now it's I know, I know, it's everything. I know.
You also grew up a chubby kid. Do you still
feel in your head or in your body that you're
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not amazing? Like I don't I don't have that issue
at all. But what I do understand um is how
and why people utilize food as a coping mechanism or
a defense mechanism UM or as a means of psychological survival. So,
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you know, food when somebody is overweight, and I'm not
talking like five pounds, ten pounds, fifteen pounds, you know,
I'm talking overweight right, plus pounds to lose depending upon
your size. I'm a little person. Pounds is a lot
on me. UM. This is not because somebody is weak
or lazy or just really enjoys pizza. It's because they
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are utilizing food, usually for reasons they are unconscious about.
For me, it was control, It was about comfort. It
was about finding a way to bond with my dad
because we didn't have a lot in common, and my
dad will love food. So one of the things we
would do together is eat. We would go get this
chicken storm other you know, we would always get and
then my mom would go to night school and then
my dad would make like this popcorn treat or he'd
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make homemade ice cream. It was how do I relate
to my daughter and how do I relate to my dad? Food? Food?
Food was how we connected. UM. So I understand all
of that. UM. And there are times when I find
myself easily right, I could easily slip back into and
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I see it and I know how to stop it. UM.
But food is comfort. Food is control. Finding ways to
bond with kids over food that I've had to really
really be careful about. Um. It's just like being sober.
You know, you can talk to an alcoholic who's like,
I'm an alcoholic, was sober alcoholic, but I am an alcoholic.
Same thing with food. For me, I want to talk fitness,
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and then I want to talk about your empire, because yeah,
your empire, and so fitness what like what do you do?
I mean you're you know, what do you what do
you personally do? Oh gosh? Um. It really depends on
what the heck is going on in my life. Like
I have not been home for the past two months.
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I finally got home. UM work at me away from
home for about six weeks, and then I was able
to go on my honeymoon, which was out of the country.
And so it depends in my ideal world where I'm
home with all the time in the world to workout.
I love a kickboxing class or mixed martial arts class.
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I love a spinning class. I love a yoga class.
On your apper in person, I love him in person
because I personally like to learn from other experts. And
I am not a jiu jitsu pro. I'm a black belt,
but not in ju jitsu. I am not an excellent yogi.
I look at fitness very much like like a doctor
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looks at medicine people subspecial lies. So there's yogi specialist,
there's an Olympic lifting specialist, there's These are not my
areas of expertise, and if I do put out content
in those areas, I go and find an individual who
I think is a top not yogi to help me
program that workout, whether it's yoga in front or Yoga
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meltdown or yoga programs in the app. But for example,
in the app, I'm adding Terra Styles to the app
because she's one of the best yogis in the world,
not me, so we're gonna start protting content in from her.
So I love to work with other coaches because I
think the best teacher is the best student. Um I
like to be I'm very type a inspire me, teach me,
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show me something. I don't know. I always want to learn,
I always want to grow. That would be my perfect world.
What actually happens of the time is I'm swamped out
of my mind and I'll say, all right, I'm gonna
jump rope for twenty minutes, and in between I'm gonna
work in body weight intervals. So that's what usually happens,
is like, all right, twenty lunges, twenty squads, twenty bush
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ups at twenty body rows with the TRX in the house,
and three minute rounds of jump rove in between. Because
I'm in a hurry, I have a million things to do.
It's easy and it's convenient. Are you doing it free
weights or no? Way? I mix it up. I mix
it up constantly because changing these variables, right, I call
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them factors of change with your workout is a few
of them are how many reps? How much weight? Uh,
there's two elements that you can change, obviously, levers. Right.
If you think about levers, for example, doing a lateral
raise with dumbbells in your hand with your elbows bent
is a shorter level. You straighten your arms, You've got
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a longer lever, so it's gonna be harder, right, um.
For me, I always extend levers. So that's not a
factor that I would use for an advanced athlete, but
for a beginner, you can progress them by saying, okay,
push ups on knees, okay, push up stands and feeds.
Things of that nature. Can make it a lot harder
by extending levers. So I'm always manipulating those factors so
that I'm challenging the body in different ways. And the
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reason for that is because the body is very effective
at adapting distress. That's what exercises. It's focused stress, and
the body adapts to that stress by making the bones
more debts right, or by conditioning the muscles, or by
improving the capacity of your cardiovascular system. So once the
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body adapts to a certain type of stress, it sort
of stops needing to work harder. So if you push
different factors of fitness like power, endurance, mobility, your body
is constantly having to adapt to these new stress stimuli
if you will, and you're constantly getting better results. So
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the key is truthfully with business consistency first, variety second,
and do you ever have stretches of time where you're
like in a funk, can have an exercise, like does
that happen to Jillian Michael's Because it sure happens to me.
I gotta I gotta get it um. When these things
happen to me, it's generally not a funk because I
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can make fitness. I don't want to say painless, but
totally manageable. And what I mean by that is even
when I'm not in the mood, if I tell myself, Okay,
I get that you'd rather be dead today, Jil, Like
I have these conversations like myself, I'd rather stick needles
in my eyes then go to the gym. What's palatable?
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You know what I'll do. I'll do fifteen minutes on
the step mill while answering my emails because I gotta
answer emails. So one, I just do it on the
step mill, and if I'm not miserable, I'll do another
five minutes to get to twenty minutes. And if I'm
not miserable, maybe I'll do some abs on the ground
so I can kind of manipulate myself into moving my body.
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What does happen is life can It's so crazy for
me sometimes and I hate to say it's it's not
even that I'm making excuses. It's just that I know
how to get around workout sessions with really clean eating
for extended periods of time. So when life gets really nuts,
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I tried to be more active overall, um, and I
manage my health with my food, and that's where I
really can kind of fall off the wagon. Like this
summer was just I had this crazy situation in Los
Angeles with this trial. It was a nightmare. This old
thing for work that's fourteen years old, but I had
to be present for it every single day, Like crap
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like that that just you can't You're barely able to
find the time. That's the stuff that really throws me
off right there. So what's clean eating for you? Then?
How do you adapt? Right? So, so all right, think
of it like I want you to think of food
first in two ways. Okay, You've got energy, so all
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food has an energy quotient and energy content in the
form of calories. Okay, and then food has nutrients, vitamins
and minerals. A lot of times people confuse these two
things and believe that if the food is really nutrient dense,
they can't gain weight off of it. They're like, why
I'm eating really good? What are you eating avocado? I
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mean that has a lot of energy and avocado. So
understanding those two things that's really important because they are
not one in the same. So the first thing with
clean eating when you're trying to manage your weight means
you're obviously eating foods that are nutrient dense but not
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high in calories. That's where the term empty right, empty calories?
What does that mean? It means a food that has
energy but no nutrients is totally empty. So you're spending
calories but you're not getting anything for it. So for me,
I know, okay, if Jillian doesn't get to the gym,
her body is going to burn around fift and sixty calories.
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Love the way I put myself in the third person
when I talk about my fitness. It's like, so if
I use myself as an example, I know the simple
math of sixty calories is what my body is using
in a day without exercise. Okay, that means I've got
fIF sixty calories to spend. So first off, I don't
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go over that. If I don't go over it, I'm
not getting bigger. Now. Health and size again a totally
different conversation. But if I do not eat over that,
I'm not going to get any bigger because fat is
simply stored energy. So specifically, do eat egg whites instead
of egg yolks? Do you like? I mean, like all
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those little silly things are what people want to hear, Like,
do I put one only? Okay? Okay. So so this
is how I need you to think about it. You've
got to make a choice. If you have fifteen and
sixty calories to spend, where do you want to spend them?
If I hate egg whites, I'm okay. I'll give you
a perfect example. Um, the other day, we were having
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breakfast and I decided to do egg whites because I
wanted cheese in the scramble. Now, if I didn't get cheese,
I would have had whole eggs. Was that the better
choice with regard to nutrition? No, not really, But I
wanted to spend my calories on cheese and not egg yellows.
So that's what I did. It's like dollars, where do
you want to spend your money? That's how I need
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you to think about calories. And it's personal. So for me,
I'm making these decisions right with things that I'm like
that's not worth the calories, it's not worth the money.
I think of it like that. So I eat foods
that are nutrient dense, obviously because I want to get
the most bang from my my calorie buck. I want
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the nutrition to optimize my health. But where I'm saving,
I'm not eating things like I don't eat cake, I
don't eat ice cream, I don't eat chocolate. Um. Not
because I'm some sort of badass that is immune to
those things. It's the opposite. It's because I would overeat
it if I did eat it, um, and I found
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avoiding it all together he's better for me. But where
I will spend those calories on foods that are less
nutrient densit that I might have that class of red
one because I love it. Am I having three? No?
Do I have to a day? No? I limit myself
to six a week maximum. And that's where I spend
those calories. UM. For me, I don't eat chemicals. I
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don't over eat, So on the days I work out,
I go from sixty to eight hundred and sixty. Right now,
I've got three hundred more glories to spend. Fantastic Tonight,
I'm going for Italian food I have wanted to go
back to this restaurant for the two months I have
been out of Miami. I can't wait, and I am
getting the unglapost I don't care. So you know what
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I'm not going to do tonight is add the wine
to the dinner because I don't have the calories to spend.
So instead of doing the artichoke salad with the salmon
on top and the glass of wine, tonight, I'm gonna
do the vungla. No glass of wine. Does that make
any sense? It does? It does? I would choose the vodka,
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but no. So a piece of a Zekiel toast with mustard,
tomato and turkey is probably a better lunch than the salad. No,
I's not going to fill me. Well, okay, that's okay.
So that's a different conversation though. So the reality is
that we all need complex carbohydrates, healthy fats, ideally polly
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unsaturated and mono unsaturated. And that's stuff like olive oil, walnuts.
You'll mega threes from wild cowfish. Everybody. Everybody seen that
episode of Doctor Oz right. Clean protein, and what I
mean by clean is no process lunch meat with nitrites
and nitrates and artificial color and hormones and antibiotics. We're
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talking about ideally, a piece of wild caught salmon, or
an organic piece of grass fed grass finished beef, or
organic eggs, organic dairy, some animal protein. You don't need
a ton of it. And by the way, you don't
have to have it if you're vegan and you're doing
plant protein. As long as you know how to get
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a complete protein with variety in your protein sources, you're fine.
All three macros are key for everybody. Now, some people
do better, and what I mean by do better is
they will feel fuller for longer and more satiated with
a different macro nutrient ratio. So here's what I mean
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by that. I want you to think about the rate
you turn your food into blood sugar. Okay, Now, food
inherently has a rate. We call it the glycemic index.
This food is higher on the index, and it's going
to turn it into sugar quicker, like white bread is
going to turn it into sugar way quicker than a cucumber,
which is on the bottom of the glycemic index. So
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food already has a rating, all right, But we ourselves
to have a unique biochemistry, and some of us already
are turning that food into energy faster than others. And
they believe this has to do with our microbiome, all
the little microbes in our gut. And the reason they
think that is one of the primary factors is because
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they've looked at identical twins and their insulin response to
certain foods has been vastly divergent and they're identical. So
the only factor or the primary factor that could be
different is their microbiome. Nevertheless, we all turn our food
into energy or bloodguer at a different pace. So a
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per scene that converts their food into energy more slowly,
or we would call them a slow oxidizer that oxidizes
their food into energy more slowly, is going to do
real bad on things that convert more slowly. So high
protein diets, high fat diets are gonna make them feel miserable, sluggish, tired,
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lethargic where and they'll do better on more complex carbohydrates,
more fruits, more vegetables, more whole grains with less fat,
less protein in their ratio. Okay, a person that breaks
things down very quickly, if they eat the bread, the fruit,
the veggies, the light, the rice, the fish, they're gonna
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be like Oh my god, they're gonna have a sugar
crash and they're gonna start because those things already convert
to energy more quickly, they convert them to energy more quickly.
In that combination is gonna mean it's hitting the bloodstream
like a freight train. Pancreas is gonna don'mp a bunch
of insulin clean the sugar out of the blood, and
they get a blood sugar crash. So I really don't
love to talk about this because it makes people think
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they get overwhelmed, they think they've got to start counting
their macros. The key is to really just listen to
your body, like you're talking about where you say, God, no,
I had five hundred calories of a shrimp salad and
I was freaking starving a few an hour and a
half later, But I had five calories of this mesa
platter with hummus and some beef skewer. Like more protein,
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more fat, and it helped me for four hours. Right.
If you pay attention to the foods that fill you
up for longer and sustain your energy, it will help
you decide what your balance of macro nutrients, protein, fat,
and carbons should be in every meal without accounting macros.
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None of that stuff matters. It only matters with regard
to your energy level and having sustained energy, and having
sustained energy will prevent you from overeating because you're feeling
fuller for longer, so that can be full. And I
actually wrote about that in a book, Oh God, like
fifteen years ago called making the Cut. And you can
take a little quiz. I even think it's on my
(30:08):
website called the Oxidizer type. You can google it. It's free,
it's in my blog, and it'll help you figure that out.
What about all this microbiome stuff, you know, because I'm
definitely someone that has always dealt with like gut stuff,
you know, So I feel really I felt I feel
better if I donate, like a smoothie will be better
than if I eat food. Sometimes it depends. It depends
(30:28):
what's going on, you know, in my life. So how
do you fix a microbiome? How do you know what
needs to be fixed? Or do you just start like
throwing in like sauerkraut. You know, I'll go, well, hold
hold on, um. The first thing is that if there's
something going on with your gut, obviously I would tell
anybody see a gastro and geologist. This is a specialist.
You've got to see a specialist. Um, don't even see
(30:50):
your internet's see a specialist. It drives me crazy when
Internet start of prescribing things like antidepressants or hormone medications.
Like antidepressants is a psychiatrist, formal medication is an endocrinologist.
Got health is a gastro intrologist. So to find a
(31:11):
specific imbalance, once again, I'm gonna refer you to this
gastro intrologist. She's in California and her name is Dr
Sabine Hassan. She actually wrote a book. Um, it's kind
of a funny title. I think poop is in the
in the title of it. But she's brilliant. And this
(31:31):
is gonna sound gross, But if you want to know
what's going on with your microbiome, you send in a
stool sample and she will tell you you have too
much of this, you don't have enough of that. Uh.
And that's very important because you don't know, like maybe
you have an overgrowth of something, maybe you have something
like seed if maybe you don't have enough of something.
So I hate looking at something and trying to solve
(31:56):
a problem. You don't know what you're solving, that can
create more issue is then not does that make sense?
Makes tonal sense, and it's a good advice for everyone
that's out there dealing with stuff to make sure you
have someone to help you and not just do it yourself.
Do not do that. You will make a mistake and
it could be a life threatening mistake. So uh, for example,
(32:18):
my I've almost said to me outside, my wife, Um
had a very young and healthy thirty seven stomach problems.
All of a sudden, out of the blue, She's like, acid.
I think it's acid. I think it's this. I think
it's that baby. You got to go to the doctor, Okay,
you know, to give her ant acid. I'm like, no,
not the doctor. Doctor, like a specialist doctor. Write this
(32:39):
long story short. She's been dealing with this for two years,
two years, taking probiotics, taking anto acids, doing this, going
to the finally one doctor. We go to see this
doctor and I'm both of us have a new doctor
in Miami, and I'm like, doc, there's poor guy. We're
sitting in the room together and I'm like, she's got
this thing with her stomach, and for the life of
(33:00):
we could not by the way, figure out what it is,
and like she's been she's been doing an internet, she's
tried this bah. He's like, okay, we're gonna ultrasound everything.
He finds gold stones that for two years is what
has been creating her problem, whether we're giving her aunt
acids and all this crap, this medication that has side effects,
and long story short, had one of those little gold
(33:24):
stones gotten in a bile duct. You're in real trouble,
not great. You can die from that. So they found it,
thank God, and all the holistic doctors in the world
and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty back together again.
We needed an ultrasop machine. Okay, it's so I can
sit here and be like, oh yeah, it's sure. Look,
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you know where should I take this probiotic Bobby? No, Mom,
you like, go to see a pro and do not
stop until there's something quantifiable. Now, Okay, I tried the
fod map diet and I started rulling out foods and
this isn't that obvious, Slee. You can take some time
to get to the bottom of it. Obviously, listen to
your body and if something makes it act up, that's
(34:05):
going to be a clue right of oh wow, I
eat high fat foods, I feel sick, well, you know
gall bladder. Okay, that makes some sense. It's to start
to give you some clues. But what was weird as
ever heard, was like it was acid stuff that was acidic,
So everybody was thinking, like ulcer, they're checking her for
h pylori. Anyway, the bottom line is don't stop until
(34:26):
you get some quantifiable answers when it comes to common
sense health. I can tell you what to do that
it's just good for you and you don't have to worry. Right.
So nurturing a healthy microbiome, they're gonna be three primary
places where you're gonna replenish these microbes. So you've got
food born strains of probiotics, and that would be fermented foods.
(34:49):
So kimchi key for Greek yogurt. Um, Oh my gosh,
the the to me, so uh, the list is pretty straightforward.
Ward um, eat it. But if you can and go
organic wherever you can incorporate those foods, don't go by
a hundred dollar probiotic. That literally says that's hold on.
(35:12):
Let me get to that in a second. So those
food worn strains are very easy to get, very cost effectively, right,
and they're more effective when you eat them because their
food board strains, So supplementing them is actually not going
to be ideal. Soil based strains are you know, a
lot of supplements because they are you quite honestly easier
(35:33):
to put in supplements because they don't need to be
refrigerated and all of that, so they're just easier. But
the truth is that soil based trains you should really
get from being outdoors hiking gardening. Ideally, you know, back
in the day when we used to drink well water
where we used to get food from the dirt that
wasn't loaded with pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and all that crap.
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You take a carrot out of the soil, wash it
in well water and get all those good microbes. So,
if there's a chance that you can go to a
farmer's market where they do organic farming, which I know
everybody's like, f you, Jill, like I barely have the
time to go to a drive through, I'm just telling you, like,
this would be ideal. Um, You're gonna get soil based
strains in those kinds of foods, and that would be great.
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The third one, or human residence strains, These are the
hardest to get. These are the things that we got
from our mom, the things we got from the birth canal,
the things we got from breast milk. UM, you know,
rub your kids. This also came from Dr Stephene his
on She's like, kiss your kids, get there, get their
bacteria all over you. They've got that good bacteria on
(36:38):
their face, like that healthy kid bacteria, right. Very that
was a very interesting Actually interviewed her on my podcast
about it. It It was fascinating. So human residence strains are
the ones that I would recommend supplementing because they're the
hardest to get. UM. I invested in a company that
has this, called the Lion Naturals, and I invested in it.
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So you do your on homework everybody out there, but
that's what I recommend. It's called a Lion Naturals, started
by a mommy of two with an autoimmune condition who
went on a hunt to figure out what was wrong
with her ended up starting this company. Are those those
supplements who squeeze in the water. No, These these are
in pill form um And then the next thing to
(37:20):
be careful of also with probiotics is when you see
things like a gazillion cf us, that's all marketing. The
body can't get hit with a freight train of microbes
like that. That's that's bolognay. And a lot of times
it's cheap strains like acid ov list that you're going
to get in the yogurt. So don't get tricked. Do
your homework before supplementing the product. And the truth is,
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what would be ideal is if you really think you've
got a microbiome and balance, you would go to a
gas trunt rollers who could test it. Because there's actually
no such thing as a good bacteria or a bad bacteria.
There's gut dis biosis, which means an imbalance. So actually
each pie Lori serves a purpose, but if it overgrows,
you've got a big problem. And the majority of these
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microbes that we understand need to exist but in balance.
It's when they're out of whack then you start to
get problems. And of course, don't take antibiotics unless you
absolutely need to avoid foods that are heavily sprayed with pesticides, urbosets,
and fungicides, because that's what they do. They kill microbes.
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And if you eat a bunch of chemicals in your food.
They're also going to to help you know, they're going
to contribute to damaging the health of these microbes. And
eat a lot of high fiber foods because the high
fiber foods are prebiotics. Right for that term, I'm sure
it's food for your microbes and you don't need to
supplement post biotics. That's a gimmick as well. Post biotics
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is um what happens when the good bacteria eat the prebiotics,
they create these postbiotics. So when you see something that
has post addicts and it you're getting scammed. You don't
need that, don't bother al waste the money. So you
have so much knowledge, doesn't your head like blow up sometimes?
But you know it's amazing. No, it's honestly amazing. So
(39:21):
I do want to hear just as you know, as
as boss lady to boss lady, like your empire, like
how do you how do you do what you do?
You're like your media empire, You're an author, you're Emmy nominated,
you name it, like everything, what do you spend most
of your time doing? And how do you run your business?
(39:41):
Like how many people work for you? Gosh, Okay, we
do try to keep keep things lean. I don't think
that having a really high overhead is beneficial. And um,
you know we've made that mistake before in the past.
So we have different branches of the company. So one
(40:02):
is is the I say we because I have a
business partner named John Carlo Chur said, who's great. We've
been working together since two dozen and six. And there's
the Jillian Michaels brand, and the Jillian Michaels brand now
focuses predominantly on the Fitness app because most things can
live in there. So if I create a new workout program,
it lives in the Fitness app. If there's meal plans,
(40:23):
they live in the Fitness app. If there's meditations, they
live in the Fitness app. And now we're adding other
trainers to the Fitness app. So or have added actually
and are continuing to add more in different areas um
of expertise than I have. As I mentioned, Tara Styles,
who's a yogi is coming to the platform. Um, we're
(40:44):
adding a woman named Megan Colosso who is an expert
in Olympic lifting. These are this is not my forte. Um,
we just added a gentleman named Ryan claren Back, who's
a calisthenics expert. So anywhere I'm not the consummate pro,
I look for people who I think are the foremost
expert and I add them to the platform so I
know people are getting the best coaching. So in that
(41:06):
app we probably have if you don't include outsourcing for
all the dev work, because we do a lot of outsourcing.
I'd say our core company is ten people, and then
we outsourced the dev work to a company called lolo Um.
We have a lot of outside people because we work
with different graphic artists, different videographer teams, different editors. That's
(41:33):
a lot of people. Uh, but it he does allow
us to get different talent on different things, which is
important UM. And then we invest in different companies like
Alle and Naturals, so we don't start the Jillian Michaels
supplement company. That's that's not what Jillian Michaels is going
to do. What I do like to do is find
(41:55):
better for you brands in wellness, whether it's food or fitness,
and say hey, look love what you're doing. I think
I can help you take it to the next level.
Where are you at? Where are you trying to go
and is there room for me to help you get there?
So we don't need a team. We bet on the
jockey there. So for example, like with the Lie of Naturals,
(42:17):
I bet on her and the guy that was running
all of her web because I was like, Wow, this
is a really intelligent guy. He got it to me
with on a shoestring budget. I believe in her, I
believe in the product UM. So it's it's it's tough
to say, but that's kind of how we manage it
(42:40):
without being so top heavy. You know, you just feel
like you can't be nimble and you're gonna drown and overhead.
So what do you have your name on besides your
books and your app and your media? Do you are they?
Aren't you on equipment? Don't you have equipment? We do?
And that did we do? So so what we have
under Jillian Michael's that's true. We do have an equipment
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line UM that's available in UH retail stores. So so yes,
we do have that UM and we do have a
we're just starting again with clothes under our our trademark
called Impact. It used to be a cham Art years
ago and then Kmar started having financial trouble uh, And
(43:23):
it was a lot of work for not a big return.
But now we're licensing the Mark two once again an
outside company that knows how to do this and knows
how to be efficient. So we're starting direct consumer next
year and then we'll go into retail. UM. We just
did a stock license for the same exact brand called
(43:44):
Impact that they're they're going out to retailers right now.
So the things that make make sense were having announced
this yet. But there is a wearable device UM that
will not have my name on it, but I will
be endorsing ah. And I don't love like the Jillian
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Michaels wearable is not that powerful, but Jillian Michaels four
A wearable is more powerful. Just like Lady Gaga headphones
probably not gonna work, but Lady Gaga for beats probably
gonna work. If that If that makes sense. And I
find that nowadays people are very afraid of I'd be
(44:28):
curious enough if you've had the same experience of a
talent driven products, because they're like, well, what if that
person gets a d u A, What if that person
gets canceled tomorrow? What if that? So it's very difficult
to start a business off of your name if people
think in any given second, you're gonna get canceled and
someone's gonna ruin your life. And whereas if you're giving
(44:50):
a halo effect of an endorsement in a product you
believe in or you've you've invested in, that's safer. I
think it's safe for people to put money in. It's
safer to sell that company. Um, then it makes more sense.
What is Gillian Michael's is Jillian Mikes Jillian Michael's Workouts
with Jillian Michael's Workouts, the Jillian Michael's Apple now is
(45:11):
the fitness app, But at that time it was it
was me. There's no getting around me being me. But
things that don't need to be me Gillian Michael's chips now,
but if I fall in love with a certain kind
of chip, I could invest in it and say, hey,
I really love this chip something like that, I buy that.
I buy that. So, Jillian, the last question I ask everyone.
(45:34):
You know this podcast is called The Important Things, But
if if people listening just get one little nugget of
advice from you that could literally change something in their life.
Whatever you think of, whatever first comes to your head,
whatever first comes to my head is trust your gut.
The worst mistakes I have ever made are the ones
where like, goddamn it, I knew it. I knew it,
(45:57):
and you know you. It could be health related, it
could be business advice, it could be legal advice, and
it's the one where you know it right, but you
don't want to be difficult, or you don't want to
be a page, or you don't want to rock the boat,
whether it's personal or professional. And if you have that
feeling in your gut, you need to listen to it
because the very the very finger free you're going to
(46:20):
create by listening to it. And it's like, I don't
want to create this rift. I don't want to create
these problems that I don't want to be difficult, I
don't want them to not work with me, or I
don't want to create this fight within the household is
going to happen when the thing goes wrong. So by
avoiding what you're afraid to deal with, you will create
it just by avoiding it, because you're that when that
(46:42):
voice talks to you, I've I've never been wrong for me,
not once, not once. It was all like, god, you know,
I have this feeling and it was just so wrong.
Never not freaking once. Trust your gut, trust your gut.
Thank you, thank you, thank you as always love talking
to love seeing you. You look amazing by the way
you look happy, you look beautiful, you look happy, and
(47:05):
hope to run into you sometime. And I've I've written
all sorts of notes. I've got some googling to do.
When we hang up, I'm at your at your back
and call. Anything you need. Feel free to reach out.
I think you have my information. Any questions or I
could put you in touch, but please reach out to
Dr Subpoenas on She's incredible. If you see it's a
profile thing, she'll find it. Oh yeah, I'm FedExing my
(47:27):
poop tomorrow, so ye all right, nice to talk to you. Likewise,
thank you for having me. Hi, Hi you guys, Thanks
for listening. Follow us on social at the Important Things
podcast on Instagram and just Bobby Brown on TikTok. See
you guys next time.
I first met Gillian Michaels on address for Success Power Walk,
and of course, you know, I was so psyched. I
walked next to her and asked every single question that
I'm really looking forward to asking again because I'm very
curious about how to look better, how to feel better,
how to do all those things. I've had her on
my podcast before, and I've just watched her for a
(00:22):
long time. I just love how how direct and how
she believes in herself. So here goes my conversation with
Gillian Michaels. I have a lot of questions. Hello, how
are you. I'm good, How are you? It's been It's
been a long time. It had Oh my god, pre
COVID TACs. I know, I know everything is pre COVID.
(00:44):
It's like I think I'm three years younger or two
years younger. I didn't really get older the last couple
of years, but I did exactly what you mean. It's
like bc AD, it's like PC pre COVID. She everything.
I was like, how I relate to the world, I'm like,
oh man, that was pre COVID, wasn't it. How are
(01:04):
you good? But sometimes I want to go back for
twenty four hours like, you know, like, right, how did
you do? How did you do for the two years?
You know, honestly, COVID wasn't such a hard time for me.
I got very lucky. I had my ass kicked the
last two years. That had nothing to do with COVID,
So just life kicked my ass, Like I got a
(01:28):
nice ass kicking from life. Like, what anything you want
to talk about, because oh my gosh, I mean just stuff,
sick friends. You know, it's just crazy, you know, tough
work situations, things that are just everybody kind of deals
with that. You like, you know, you can't can't really
(01:50):
prepare for it, you guys. You just roll with the
punches and you learn from what you can learn from
and and that's that's But yeah, I have she just
I swear to you the last couple of years, I'm like,
come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, life is
(02:10):
not the way we knew it, you know, so it's
ours to reinvent. But you know, you've been our teacher
for like decades. How long have you been in the
public eye. Gosh, uh dating the heck out of myself
here eighteen years? Okay, Well, you know what, if you
want to feel young I'm gonna make for somewhere between
(02:34):
thirty and forty years. HU been h been the top
top notch way longer than I have. So but then
I'm like, that could come off wrong. So I just said,
just just give you the dates. Yeah, but I I
I mean, just because it's printed everywhere. I am sixty
five years old. So it's like I just got so
much older than everyone else, Like how did that happen?
(02:55):
You know? I was at the same age and now
I'm like, okay, but you know, I mean, I'm make
the best of it. Put it that way. It's longevity
though it's actually, um such a huge testament to how
fantastic you are. And the reason you've got so much
older than everybody else is because it's a matter of attrition, right,
It's like the last man standing, and it has to
(03:16):
do with how great you are, what you do. You know,
I don't feel my age. I don't think I look
my age. I don't do a whole lot to myself.
And you know, I am someone who's a fanatic about fitness,
a fanatic about wellness. I've been following you forever and
you know, how have you changed? Have you? Have you
(03:37):
loosened up in your eighteen years god, which known as
a top one. It depends on what you're what you're
applying that to, you know, if it's if it's personally
or if it's professionally, um, fitness, fitness, food, you know,
the stuff that we all struggle with. To be honest
(03:58):
with you, this is so tough because in a world
where everyone has become so overwhelmingly fragile, and you know,
I find that people nowadays fight for their limitations more
than they ever have. It's it's fascinating. Like I I
was just answering. I was doing some TikTok questions and
(04:19):
I was answering one about a polycystical variant syndrome. And
I cannot tell you how many women come out of
the woodwork to just go crazy on me. And it's like, you, bitch,
you've no idea. I have pc U S. And then
I turned around and politely said, you know, I struggled
with pcos when I was in my teens and I
was able to reverse it completely, and I suggest, you know,
(04:42):
these are the ways forward. But instead of saying, wow, really,
how did you do that? Maybe I can learn something here.
It's yeah, you know you you, you bitch, you liar,
and then you never hear for them again. So like,
I actually think that I in a time where people
are so attached to being a victim. It tends to
(05:05):
make me digging a little bit deeper and just say no,
that that's not true. It doesn't have to be an
aggressive tone. But the messaging is just just I plant
myself firmly in the truth, and I do my homework
with the appropriate professionals so that I can be as
bullet proof as possible when I give that information. The
truth is, if you have pc US, you can be healthy.
(05:27):
It is possible. It's not easy, but it can absolutely
be done, and it's worth doing, and anybody is capable
of it. And just one example, right, but nothing is easy,
and you know we are both understand that. Okay, So
let's just start at the most pressing question out there.
Do you eat bread? Oh? My God, of course I do. UM.
(05:50):
I look, the areas where I have become crazy would
be supplementation. And I have the luxury of talking to
so many different researchers um in nutrition and so many
different doctors who specialize in now studying food is medicine.
(06:12):
Whether it's Dr William Lee or Dr Rum And I
do like these. These are great minds, I mean brilliant,
brilliant people who are teaching me things about the Ariona
Barry and how it can help with the length of
our telomeres and talking to guys like Dan Butner from
the Blue Zones. This stuff fascinates me. I'll eat weird
stuff because I want to live to be a hundred
(06:34):
and ten with a great quality of life. So I've
gotten a little weird that way. Anyways, what should we
be eating? What weird? Because i'd stuff? Okay, So so
first stuff I do eat bread, I eat all the
normal stuff. I just try to avoid and this I
think is is good advice for everybody, and I think
it's successful. Try to avoid fake food. You know, when
(06:57):
you buy bread, try to buy an organic whole grain read.
If you can't tolerate aze heel bread, try to buy
Dave's Killer bread. You know it's it's a bit more
more palatable. Um, whole grain better for you. Options don't
get you know, the crappy processed white flower that's been bleak.
Everybody knows this. The common sense diet is what I follow, right,
(07:19):
I eat real food. I don't overeat it, and I
try to remove chemicals and fake fats, fake sugars, fake flavors, preservatives,
as often as possible. It's not food. It's not so
that that should apply to everyone. So if you use
common sense with your food and you don't overeat, you
will actually be just fine. Okay, top notch with that said,
(07:43):
because I'm a bit nuts with this information because I'm
passionate about it. I do look at food as medicine,
and I'm not suggesting it should replace medicine. I am
not a doctor, but there are foods that are very
powerful tools in helping to prevent disease. So whether I'm
(08:06):
looking at maringa or ashwaganda or ariona berries or you know,
all cuman but with just the right amount of black pepper.
But then I'm taking I'm taking all kinds of crazy stuff.
And I'm a big supplement person, and um, I look
at Buddhist medicines. So whenever I eat something, I know
(08:28):
that that's a choice, right And I'm like, this bite
can cure me or it can kill me, and I
try to make it the one that cures me, if
that makes any sense. So I will have all my
supplements be crill oil, vitamin D, the college and multi
college and peptides with MS and glucos, and me can
join in the greens powder with all the things, the
(08:51):
organic greens powder with the mooringa and the ashwaganda and
that this, that the other, all the stuff that you'd
expect in it an organic reds powder. And then I
make my own blend of crazy crap with like ginger
and tumeric and black pepper and cinnamon, and I put
that in a coffee with adapted Jen's because I'm nuts.
This is where I get a little nuts. It's disgusting,
(09:13):
it's gross. Uh and and green tea. So but each
one of these things helping inflammation or killing cancer cells.
So you asked me a little that parts a little nuts.
I'll go back to what I think is a bit
more relatable, which is used common sense and don't over
eat right and and der kids eat the way you do.
Or are they sneaking? Are they sneaking and junk? They
(09:34):
don't because they do throw it. We know what we're
past the sneak. So with the kids, we're in the point.
You know their ten and twelve, and I just just
had this conversation with my daughter the other day because
she said something to me about like when she was
in l A with my my ex and co parents.
She's like, who's goes by mommy? I go by Mama
(09:56):
and she's like, well, Mommy said I couldn't have that,
and I know that's not true. My x X and
I I've decided that we're both going to be like,
look to your body. We've told you all that we
can tell you, we've made recommendations to you. We do
what we do, but you're gonna do what you're gonna
do because we have the kind of kids that are
gonna do what they're gonna do. Now. Look, if it's drugs,
(10:18):
if it's alcohol, if it's you know, sex at a
young age, obviously we're gonna do We're gonna get super
aggressive about protecting them. But with food, they'll just go
to camp, they'll just go to their friend's house, they'll
just go to the vending machine at school. And how
do I know, because they do and have. So we've
decided to just continue educating them and to try to
give them healthy food in the house, you know, like
(10:40):
I don't carry blue gummy candy in my house. But
when my son goes to It's Sugar with his friend
and the friend's mom to go see a movie and
it comes home with his tongues blue. It's like, I'm
my buddy, come on, can't we do like the organic,
you know, yummy bears that stuff? And I told him
a yeah, and I'm like this, this stuff on your
(11:01):
tongue is not food, but it does, but it does backfire.
When I was a kid, my mother was a health nut,
but she was a diet nut, and so I was
not allowed. I was a chubby kid. I know you
are too. I was now allowed to eat certain things
like I got I couldn't have cake or I couldn't
have anything, So that's bad. Idea. I had money in
(11:22):
my pocket. My friends and I would be they'd buy
a thing, a candy, and I would buy twelve and
I'd be shoving them in my face, and you know what,
black fires, So you're doing us. It's it's you know,
when they're little, you try to give them these boundaries
of like, no, we're not going to eat a second
piece of cake. When I get this age, they're like,
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I do what I want. And they're both almost bigger.
Both of them are factually bigger than me now, you know,
and they have access to things. And this is where
the conversation just changes. It just does, especially with my
daughter who's five six huge and I don't wait. I mean,
the child is like solid muscle. She can get your ass.
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I mean, and it's under the point where I'm like, look,
I love you. I can only give you my best advice.
And you're gonna make these decisions. I hope you make
the best ones, or at least use common sense. You know,
we're gonna say it kinding. Yeah, And as someone who's
raised three kids, you know, three sons, you know, two
are married now one's about to have a baby. They're
all foodies. And these kids used to drive me crazy
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with the stuff that they would want to eat. They
are all foodies. They're all health people and you know
what they observe. So you know you're doing you're doing
a good job. Oh you're sweet. Oh so we shall see. Yeah,
now it's I know, I know, it's everything. I know.
You also grew up a chubby kid. Do you still
feel in your head or in your body that you're
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not amazing? Like I don't I don't have that issue
at all. But what I do understand um is how
and why people utilize food as a coping mechanism or
a defense mechanism UM or as a means of psychological survival. So,
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you know, food when somebody is overweight, and I'm not
talking like five pounds, ten pounds, fifteen pounds, you know,
I'm talking overweight right, plus pounds to lose depending upon
your size. I'm a little person. Pounds is a lot
on me. UM. This is not because somebody is weak
or lazy or just really enjoys pizza. It's because they
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are utilizing food, usually for reasons they are unconscious about.
For me, it was control, It was about comfort. It
was about finding a way to bond with my dad
because we didn't have a lot in common, and my
dad will love food. So one of the things we
would do together is eat. We would go get this
chicken storm other you know, we would always get and
then my mom would go to night school and then
my dad would make like this popcorn treat or he'd
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make homemade ice cream. It was how do I relate
to my daughter and how do I relate to my dad? Food? Food?
Food was how we connected. UM. So I understand all
of that. UM. And there are times when I find
myself easily right, I could easily slip back into and
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I see it and I know how to stop it. UM.
But food is comfort. Food is control. Finding ways to
bond with kids over food that I've had to really
really be careful about. Um. It's just like being sober.
You know, you can talk to an alcoholic who's like,
I'm an alcoholic, was sober alcoholic, but I am an alcoholic.
Same thing with food. For me, I want to talk fitness,
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and then I want to talk about your empire, because yeah,
your empire, and so fitness what like what do you do?
I mean you're you know, what do you what do
you personally do? Oh gosh? Um. It really depends on
what the heck is going on in my life. Like
I have not been home for the past two months.
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I finally got home. UM work at me away from
home for about six weeks, and then I was able
to go on my honeymoon, which was out of the country.
And so it depends in my ideal world where I'm
home with all the time in the world to workout.
I love a kickboxing class or mixed martial arts class.
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I love a spinning class. I love a yoga class.
On your apper in person, I love him in person
because I personally like to learn from other experts. And
I am not a jiu jitsu pro. I'm a black belt,
but not in ju jitsu. I am not an excellent yogi.
I look at fitness very much like like a doctor
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looks at medicine people subspecial lies. So there's yogi specialist,
there's an Olympic lifting specialist, there's These are not my
areas of expertise, and if I do put out content
in those areas, I go and find an individual who
I think is a top not yogi to help me
program that workout, whether it's yoga in front or Yoga
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meltdown or yoga programs in the app. But for example,
in the app, I'm adding Terra Styles to the app
because she's one of the best yogis in the world,
not me, so we're gonna start protting content in from her.
So I love to work with other coaches because I
think the best teacher is the best student. Um I
like to be I'm very type a inspire me, teach me,
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show me something. I don't know. I always want to learn,
I always want to grow. That would be my perfect world.
What actually happens of the time is I'm swamped out
of my mind and I'll say, all right, I'm gonna
jump rope for twenty minutes, and in between I'm gonna
work in body weight intervals. So that's what usually happens,
is like, all right, twenty lunges, twenty squads, twenty bush
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ups at twenty body rows with the TRX in the house,
and three minute rounds of jump rove in between. Because
I'm in a hurry, I have a million things to do.
It's easy and it's convenient. Are you doing it free
weights or no? Way? I mix it up. I mix
it up constantly because changing these variables, right, I call
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them factors of change with your workout is a few
of them are how many reps? How much weight? Uh,
there's two elements that you can change, obviously, levers. Right.
If you think about levers, for example, doing a lateral
raise with dumbbells in your hand with your elbows bent
is a shorter level. You straighten your arms, You've got
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a longer lever, so it's gonna be harder, right, um.
For me, I always extend levers. So that's not a
factor that I would use for an advanced athlete, but
for a beginner, you can progress them by saying, okay,
push ups on knees, okay, push up stands and feeds.
Things of that nature. Can make it a lot harder
by extending levers. So I'm always manipulating those factors so
that I'm challenging the body in different ways. And the
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reason for that is because the body is very effective
at adapting distress. That's what exercises. It's focused stress, and
the body adapts to that stress by making the bones
more debts right, or by conditioning the muscles, or by
improving the capacity of your cardiovascular system. So once the
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body adapts to a certain type of stress, it sort
of stops needing to work harder. So if you push
different factors of fitness like power, endurance, mobility, your body
is constantly having to adapt to these new stress stimuli
if you will, and you're constantly getting better results. So
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the key is truthfully with business consistency first, variety second,
and do you ever have stretches of time where you're
like in a funk, can have an exercise, like does
that happen to Jillian Michael's Because it sure happens to me.
I gotta I gotta get it um. When these things
happen to me, it's generally not a funk because I
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can make fitness. I don't want to say painless, but
totally manageable. And what I mean by that is even
when I'm not in the mood, if I tell myself, Okay,
I get that you'd rather be dead today, Jil, Like
I have these conversations like myself, I'd rather stick needles
in my eyes then go to the gym. What's palatable?
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You know what I'll do. I'll do fifteen minutes on
the step mill while answering my emails because I gotta
answer emails. So one, I just do it on the
step mill, and if I'm not miserable, I'll do another
five minutes to get to twenty minutes. And if I'm
not miserable, maybe I'll do some abs on the ground
so I can kind of manipulate myself into moving my body.
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What does happen is life can It's so crazy for
me sometimes and I hate to say it's it's not
even that I'm making excuses. It's just that I know
how to get around workout sessions with really clean eating
for extended periods of time. So when life gets really nuts,
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I tried to be more active overall, um, and I
manage my health with my food, and that's where I
really can kind of fall off the wagon. Like this
summer was just I had this crazy situation in Los
Angeles with this trial. It was a nightmare. This old
thing for work that's fourteen years old, but I had
to be present for it every single day, Like crap
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like that that just you can't You're barely able to
find the time. That's the stuff that really throws me
off right there. So what's clean eating for you? Then?
How do you adapt? Right? So, so all right, think
of it like I want you to think of food
first in two ways. Okay, You've got energy, so all
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food has an energy quotient and energy content in the
form of calories. Okay, and then food has nutrients, vitamins
and minerals. A lot of times people confuse these two
things and believe that if the food is really nutrient dense,
they can't gain weight off of it. They're like, why
I'm eating really good? What are you eating avocado? I
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mean that has a lot of energy and avocado. So
understanding those two things that's really important because they are
not one in the same. So the first thing with
clean eating when you're trying to manage your weight means
you're obviously eating foods that are nutrient dense but not
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high in calories. That's where the term empty right, empty calories?
What does that mean? It means a food that has
energy but no nutrients is totally empty. So you're spending
calories but you're not getting anything for it. So for me,
I know, okay, if Jillian doesn't get to the gym,
her body is going to burn around fift and sixty calories.
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Love the way I put myself in the third person
when I talk about my fitness. It's like, so if
I use myself as an example, I know the simple
math of sixty calories is what my body is using
in a day without exercise. Okay, that means I've got
fIF sixty calories to spend. So first off, I don't
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go over that. If I don't go over it, I'm
not getting bigger. Now. Health and size again a totally
different conversation. But if I do not eat over that,
I'm not going to get any bigger because fat is
simply stored energy. So specifically, do eat egg whites instead
of egg yolks? Do you like? I mean, like all
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those little silly things are what people want to hear, Like,
do I put one only? Okay? Okay. So so this
is how I need you to think about it. You've
got to make a choice. If you have fifteen and
sixty calories to spend, where do you want to spend them?
If I hate egg whites, I'm okay. I'll give you
a perfect example. Um, the other day, we were having
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breakfast and I decided to do egg whites because I
wanted cheese in the scramble. Now, if I didn't get cheese,
I would have had whole eggs. Was that the better
choice with regard to nutrition? No, not really, But I
wanted to spend my calories on cheese and not egg yellows.
So that's what I did. It's like dollars, where do
you want to spend your money? That's how I need
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you to think about calories. And it's personal. So for me,
I'm making these decisions right with things that I'm like
that's not worth the calories, it's not worth the money.
I think of it like that. So I eat foods
that are nutrient dense, obviously because I want to get
the most bang from my my calorie buck. I want
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the nutrition to optimize my health. But where I'm saving,
I'm not eating things like I don't eat cake, I
don't eat ice cream, I don't eat chocolate. Um. Not
because I'm some sort of badass that is immune to
those things. It's the opposite. It's because I would overeat
it if I did eat it, um, and I found
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avoiding it all together he's better for me. But where
I will spend those calories on foods that are less
nutrient densit that I might have that class of red
one because I love it. Am I having three? No?
Do I have to a day? No? I limit myself
to six a week maximum. And that's where I spend
those calories. UM. For me, I don't eat chemicals. I
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don't over eat, So on the days I work out,
I go from sixty to eight hundred and sixty. Right now,
I've got three hundred more glories to spend. Fantastic Tonight,
I'm going for Italian food I have wanted to go
back to this restaurant for the two months I have
been out of Miami. I can't wait, and I am
getting the unglapost I don't care. So you know what
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I'm not going to do tonight is add the wine
to the dinner because I don't have the calories to spend.
So instead of doing the artichoke salad with the salmon
on top and the glass of wine, tonight, I'm gonna
do the vungla. No glass of wine. Does that make
any sense? It does? It does? I would choose the vodka,
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but no. So a piece of a Zekiel toast with mustard,
tomato and turkey is probably a better lunch than the salad. No,
I's not going to fill me. Well, okay, that's okay.
So that's a different conversation though. So the reality is
that we all need complex carbohydrates, healthy fats, ideally polly
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unsaturated and mono unsaturated. And that's stuff like olive oil, walnuts.
You'll mega threes from wild cowfish. Everybody. Everybody seen that
episode of Doctor Oz right. Clean protein, and what I
mean by clean is no process lunch meat with nitrites
and nitrates and artificial color and hormones and antibiotics. We're
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talking about ideally, a piece of wild caught salmon, or
an organic piece of grass fed grass finished beef, or
organic eggs, organic dairy, some animal protein. You don't need
a ton of it. And by the way, you don't
have to have it if you're vegan and you're doing
plant protein. As long as you know how to get
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a complete protein with variety in your protein sources, you're fine.
All three macros are key for everybody. Now, some people
do better, and what I mean by do better is
they will feel fuller for longer and more satiated with
a different macro nutrient ratio. So here's what I mean
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by that. I want you to think about the rate
you turn your food into blood sugar. Okay, Now, food
inherently has a rate. We call it the glycemic index.
This food is higher on the index, and it's going
to turn it into sugar quicker, like white bread is
going to turn it into sugar way quicker than a cucumber,
which is on the bottom of the glycemic index. So
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food already has a rating, all right, But we ourselves
to have a unique biochemistry, and some of us already
are turning that food into energy faster than others. And
they believe this has to do with our microbiome, all
the little microbes in our gut. And the reason they
think that is one of the primary factors is because
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they've looked at identical twins and their insulin response to
certain foods has been vastly divergent and they're identical. So
the only factor or the primary factor that could be
different is their microbiome. Nevertheless, we all turn our food
into energy or bloodguer at a different pace. So a
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per scene that converts their food into energy more slowly,
or we would call them a slow oxidizer that oxidizes
their food into energy more slowly, is going to do
real bad on things that convert more slowly. So high
protein diets, high fat diets are gonna make them feel miserable, sluggish, tired,
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lethargic where and they'll do better on more complex carbohydrates,
more fruits, more vegetables, more whole grains with less fat,
less protein in their ratio. Okay, a person that breaks
things down very quickly, if they eat the bread, the fruit,
the veggies, the light, the rice, the fish, they're gonna
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be like Oh my god, they're gonna have a sugar
crash and they're gonna start because those things already convert
to energy more quickly, they convert them to energy more quickly.
In that combination is gonna mean it's hitting the bloodstream
like a freight train. Pancreas is gonna don'mp a bunch
of insulin clean the sugar out of the blood, and
they get a blood sugar crash. So I really don't
love to talk about this because it makes people think
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they get overwhelmed, they think they've got to start counting
their macros. The key is to really just listen to
your body, like you're talking about where you say, God, no,
I had five hundred calories of a shrimp salad and
I was freaking starving a few an hour and a
half later, But I had five calories of this mesa
platter with hummus and some beef skewer. Like more protein,
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more fat, and it helped me for four hours. Right.
If you pay attention to the foods that fill you
up for longer and sustain your energy, it will help
you decide what your balance of macro nutrients, protein, fat,
and carbons should be in every meal without accounting macros.
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None of that stuff matters. It only matters with regard
to your energy level and having sustained energy, and having
sustained energy will prevent you from overeating because you're feeling
fuller for longer, so that can be full. And I
actually wrote about that in a book, Oh God, like
fifteen years ago called making the Cut. And you can
take a little quiz. I even think it's on my
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website called the Oxidizer type. You can google it. It's free,
it's in my blog, and it'll help you figure that out.
What about all this microbiome stuff, you know, because I'm
definitely someone that has always dealt with like gut stuff,
you know, So I feel really I felt I feel
better if I donate, like a smoothie will be better
than if I eat food. Sometimes it depends. It depends
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what's going on, you know, in my life. So how
do you fix a microbiome? How do you know what
needs to be fixed? Or do you just start like
throwing in like sauerkraut. You know, I'll go, well, hold
hold on, um. The first thing is that if there's
something going on with your gut, obviously I would tell
anybody see a gastro and geologist. This is a specialist.
You've got to see a specialist. Um, don't even see
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your internet's see a specialist. It drives me crazy when
Internet start of prescribing things like antidepressants or hormone medications.
Like antidepressants is a psychiatrist, formal medication is an endocrinologist.
Got health is a gastro intrologist. So to find a
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specific imbalance, once again, I'm gonna refer you to this
gastro intrologist. She's in California and her name is Dr
Sabine Hassan. She actually wrote a book. Um, it's kind
of a funny title. I think poop is in the
in the title of it. But she's brilliant. And this
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is gonna sound gross, But if you want to know
what's going on with your microbiome, you send in a
stool sample and she will tell you you have too
much of this, you don't have enough of that. Uh.
And that's very important because you don't know, like maybe
you have an overgrowth of something, maybe you have something
like seed if maybe you don't have enough of something.
So I hate looking at something and trying to solve
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a problem. You don't know what you're solving, that can
create more issue is then not does that make sense?
Makes tonal sense, and it's a good advice for everyone
that's out there dealing with stuff to make sure you
have someone to help you and not just do it yourself.
Do not do that. You will make a mistake and
it could be a life threatening mistake. So uh, for example,
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my I've almost said to me outside, my wife, Um
had a very young and healthy thirty seven stomach problems.
All of a sudden, out of the blue, She's like, acid.
I think it's acid. I think it's this. I think
it's that baby. You got to go to the doctor, Okay,
you know, to give her ant acid. I'm like, no,
not the doctor. Doctor, like a specialist doctor. Write this
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long story short. She's been dealing with this for two years,
two years, taking probiotics, taking anto acids, doing this, going
to the finally one doctor. We go to see this
doctor and I'm both of us have a new doctor
in Miami, and I'm like, doc, there's poor guy. We're
sitting in the room together and I'm like, she's got
this thing with her stomach, and for the life of
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we could not by the way, figure out what it is,
and like she's been she's been doing an internet, she's
tried this bah. He's like, okay, we're gonna ultrasound everything.
He finds gold stones that for two years is what
has been creating her problem, whether we're giving her aunt
acids and all this crap, this medication that has side effects,
and long story short, had one of those little gold
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stones gotten in a bile duct. You're in real trouble,
not great. You can die from that. So they found it,
thank God, and all the holistic doctors in the world
and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty back together again.
We needed an ultrasop machine. Okay, it's so I can
sit here and be like, oh yeah, it's sure. Look,
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you know where should I take this probiotic Bobby? No, Mom,
you like, go to see a pro and do not
stop until there's something quantifiable. Now, Okay, I tried the
fod map diet and I started rulling out foods and
this isn't that obvious, Slee. You can take some time
to get to the bottom of it. Obviously, listen to
your body and if something makes it act up, that's
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going to be a clue right of oh wow, I
eat high fat foods, I feel sick, well, you know
gall bladder. Okay, that makes some sense. It's to start
to give you some clues. But what was weird as
ever heard, was like it was acid stuff that was acidic,
So everybody was thinking, like ulcer, they're checking her for
h pylori. Anyway, the bottom line is don't stop until
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you get some quantifiable answers when it comes to common
sense health. I can tell you what to do that
it's just good for you and you don't have to worry. Right.
So nurturing a healthy microbiome, they're gonna be three primary
places where you're gonna replenish these microbes. So you've got
food born strains of probiotics, and that would be fermented foods.
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So kimchi key for Greek yogurt. Um, Oh my gosh,
the the to me, so uh, the list is pretty straightforward.
Ward um, eat it. But if you can and go
organic wherever you can incorporate those foods, don't go by
a hundred dollar probiotic. That literally says that's hold on.
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Let me get to that in a second. So those
food worn strains are very easy to get, very cost effectively, right,
and they're more effective when you eat them because their
food board strains, So supplementing them is actually not going
to be ideal. Soil based strains are you know, a
lot of supplements because they are you quite honestly easier
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to put in supplements because they don't need to be
refrigerated and all of that, so they're just easier. But
the truth is that soil based trains you should really
get from being outdoors hiking gardening. Ideally, you know, back
in the day when we used to drink well water
where we used to get food from the dirt that
wasn't loaded with pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and all that crap.
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You take a carrot out of the soil, wash it
in well water and get all those good microbes. So,
if there's a chance that you can go to a
farmer's market where they do organic farming, which I know
everybody's like, f you, Jill, like I barely have the
time to go to a drive through, I'm just telling you, like,
this would be ideal. Um, You're gonna get soil based
strains in those kinds of foods, and that would be great.
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The third one, or human residence strains, These are the
hardest to get. These are the things that we got
from our mom, the things we got from the birth canal,
the things we got from breast milk. UM, you know,
rub your kids. This also came from Dr Stephene his
on She's like, kiss your kids, get there, get their
bacteria all over you. They've got that good bacteria on
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their face, like that healthy kid bacteria, right. Very that
was a very interesting Actually interviewed her on my podcast
about it. It It was fascinating. So human residence strains are
the ones that I would recommend supplementing because they're the
hardest to get. UM. I invested in a company that
has this, called the Lion Naturals, and I invested in it.
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So you do your on homework everybody out there, but
that's what I recommend. It's called a Lion Naturals, started
by a mommy of two with an autoimmune condition who
went on a hunt to figure out what was wrong
with her ended up starting this company. Are those those
supplements who squeeze in the water. No, These these are
in pill form um And then the next thing to
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be careful of also with probiotics is when you see
things like a gazillion cf us, that's all marketing. The
body can't get hit with a freight train of microbes
like that. That's that's bolognay. And a lot of times
it's cheap strains like acid ov list that you're going
to get in the yogurt. So don't get tricked. Do
your homework before supplementing the product. And the truth is,
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what would be ideal is if you really think you've
got a microbiome and balance, you would go to a
gas trunt rollers who could test it. Because there's actually
no such thing as a good bacteria or a bad bacteria.
There's gut dis biosis, which means an imbalance. So actually
each pie Lori serves a purpose, but if it overgrows,
you've got a big problem. And the majority of these
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microbes that we understand need to exist but in balance.
It's when they're out of whack then you start to
get problems. And of course, don't take antibiotics unless you
absolutely need to avoid foods that are heavily sprayed with pesticides, urbosets,
and fungicides, because that's what they do. They kill microbes.
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And if you eat a bunch of chemicals in your food.
They're also going to to help you know, they're going
to contribute to damaging the health of these microbes. And
eat a lot of high fiber foods because the high
fiber foods are prebiotics. Right for that term, I'm sure
it's food for your microbes and you don't need to
supplement post biotics. That's a gimmick as well. Post biotics
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is um what happens when the good bacteria eat the prebiotics,
they create these postbiotics. So when you see something that
has post addicts and it you're getting scammed. You don't
need that, don't bother al waste the money. So you
have so much knowledge, doesn't your head like blow up sometimes?
But you know it's amazing. No, it's honestly amazing. So
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I do want to hear just as you know, as
as boss lady to boss lady, like your empire, like
how do you how do you do what you do?
You're like your media empire, You're an author, you're Emmy nominated,
you name it, like everything, what do you spend most
of your time doing? And how do you run your business?
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Like how many people work for you? Gosh, Okay, we
do try to keep keep things lean. I don't think
that having a really high overhead is beneficial. And um,
you know we've made that mistake before in the past.
So we have different branches of the company. So one
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is is the I say we because I have a
business partner named John Carlo Chur said, who's great. We've
been working together since two dozen and six. And there's
the Jillian Michaels brand, and the Jillian Michaels brand now
focuses predominantly on the Fitness app because most things can
live in there. So if I create a new workout program,
it lives in the Fitness app. If there's meal plans,
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they live in the Fitness app. If there's meditations, they
live in the Fitness app. And now we're adding other
trainers to the Fitness app. So or have added actually
and are continuing to add more in different areas um
of expertise than I have. As I mentioned, Tara Styles,
who's a yogi is coming to the platform. Um, we're
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adding a woman named Megan Colosso who is an expert
in Olympic lifting. These are this is not my forte. Um,
we just added a gentleman named Ryan claren Back, who's
a calisthenics expert. So anywhere I'm not the consummate pro,
I look for people who I think are the foremost
expert and I add them to the platform so I
know people are getting the best coaching. So in that
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app we probably have if you don't include outsourcing for
all the dev work, because we do a lot of outsourcing.
I'd say our core company is ten people, and then
we outsourced the dev work to a company called lolo Um.
We have a lot of outside people because we work
with different graphic artists, different videographer teams, different editors. That's
(41:33):
a lot of people. Uh, but it he does allow
us to get different talent on different things, which is
important UM. And then we invest in different companies like
Alle and Naturals, so we don't start the Jillian Michaels
supplement company. That's that's not what Jillian Michaels is going
to do. What I do like to do is find
(41:55):
better for you brands in wellness, whether it's food or fitness,
and say hey, look love what you're doing. I think
I can help you take it to the next level.
Where are you at? Where are you trying to go
and is there room for me to help you get there?
So we don't need a team. We bet on the
jockey there. So for example, like with the Lie of Naturals,
(42:17):
I bet on her and the guy that was running
all of her web because I was like, Wow, this
is a really intelligent guy. He got it to me
with on a shoestring budget. I believe in her, I
believe in the product UM. So it's it's it's tough
to say, but that's kind of how we manage it
(42:40):
without being so top heavy. You know, you just feel
like you can't be nimble and you're gonna drown and overhead.
So what do you have your name on besides your
books and your app and your media? Do you are they?
Aren't you on equipment? Don't you have equipment? We do?
And that did we do? So so what we have
under Jillian Michael's that's true. We do have an equipment
(43:01):
line UM that's available in UH retail stores. So so yes,
we do have that UM and we do have a
we're just starting again with clothes under our our trademark
called Impact. It used to be a cham Art years
ago and then Kmar started having financial trouble uh, And
(43:23):
it was a lot of work for not a big return.
But now we're licensing the Mark two once again an
outside company that knows how to do this and knows
how to be efficient. So we're starting direct consumer next
year and then we'll go into retail. UM. We just
did a stock license for the same exact brand called
(43:44):
Impact that they're they're going out to retailers right now.
So the things that make make sense were having announced
this yet. But there is a wearable device UM that
will not have my name on it, but I will
be endorsing ah. And I don't love like the Jillian
(44:04):
Michaels wearable is not that powerful, but Jillian Michaels four
A wearable is more powerful. Just like Lady Gaga headphones
probably not gonna work, but Lady Gaga for beats probably
gonna work. If that If that makes sense. And I
find that nowadays people are very afraid of I'd be
(44:28):
curious enough if you've had the same experience of a
talent driven products, because they're like, well, what if that
person gets a d u A, What if that person
gets canceled tomorrow? What if that? So it's very difficult
to start a business off of your name if people
think in any given second, you're gonna get canceled and
someone's gonna ruin your life. And whereas if you're giving
(44:50):
a halo effect of an endorsement in a product you
believe in or you've you've invested in, that's safer. I
think it's safe for people to put money in. It's
safer to sell that company. Um, then it makes more sense.
What is Gillian Michael's is Jillian Mikes Jillian Michael's Workouts
with Jillian Michael's Workouts, the Jillian Michael's Apple now is
(45:11):
the fitness app, But at that time it was it
was me. There's no getting around me being me. But
things that don't need to be me Gillian Michael's chips now,
but if I fall in love with a certain kind
of chip, I could invest in it and say, hey,
I really love this chip something like that, I buy that.
I buy that. So, Jillian, the last question I ask everyone.
(45:34):
You know this podcast is called The Important Things, But
if if people listening just get one little nugget of
advice from you that could literally change something in their life.
Whatever you think of, whatever first comes to your head,
whatever first comes to my head is trust your gut.
The worst mistakes I have ever made are the ones
where like, goddamn it, I knew it. I knew it,
(45:57):
and you know you. It could be health related, it
could be business advice, it could be legal advice, and
it's the one where you know it right, but you
don't want to be difficult, or you don't want to
be a page, or you don't want to rock the boat,
whether it's personal or professional. And if you have that
feeling in your gut, you need to listen to it
because the very the very finger free you're going to
(46:20):
create by listening to it. And it's like, I don't
want to create this rift. I don't want to create
these problems that I don't want to be difficult, I
don't want them to not work with me, or I
don't want to create this fight within the household is
going to happen when the thing goes wrong. So by
avoiding what you're afraid to deal with, you will create
it just by avoiding it, because you're that when that
(46:42):
voice talks to you, I've I've never been wrong for me,
not once, not once. It was all like, god, you know,
I have this feeling and it was just so wrong.
Never not freaking once. Trust your gut, trust your gut.
Thank you, thank you, thank you as always love talking
to love seeing you. You look amazing by the way
you look happy, you look beautiful, you look happy, and
(47:05):
hope to run into you sometime. And I've I've written
all sorts of notes. I've got some googling to do.
When we hang up, I'm at your at your back
and call. Anything you need. Feel free to reach out.
I think you have my information. Any questions or I
could put you in touch, but please reach out to
Dr Subpoenas on She's incredible. If you see it's a
profile thing, she'll find it. Oh yeah, I'm FedExing my
(47:27):
poop tomorrow, so ye all right, nice to talk to you. Likewise,
thank you for having me. Hi, Hi you guys, Thanks
for listening. Follow us on social at the Important Things
podcast on Instagram and just Bobby Brown on TikTok. See
you guys next time.
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