March 31, 2022 • 29 mins
Bobbi and Anjali are joined by famed Jewelry Designer and Instagram maven Jennifer Fisher. We'll hear all about how Jennifer balances her business and family, and how she still finds time for the important things.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
How many things are different since we met, since before
the pandemic, how my life has changed, and how things
that you didn't realize were so important are really the
important things. Right. It's not just your career, and it's
not just how you show up at work. It's really
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the words that come out of your mouth and how
you live your life. Hi, Bobby, Hi on Julie, how
are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good? Things? So,
our guests on the show is Jennifer Fisher. Who have
(00:50):
you ever met her? Now? I haven't, but I follow
her Instagram with interest. Yeah, she's very interesting. I've been
parallel career your path on many different times, you know,
but I hadn't met her up until I guess about
a year ago. I guess it was. I don't even
remember if it was before the pandemic. That's how you know,
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crazy this year and a half, two years has been.
But she was asking me on um d MS on Instagram.
That's how we connected, right, That's how I meet a
lot of people on Instagram. And we started talking and finally,
you know, I picked up the phone or she picked
up the phone, and we spoke on the phone, and
then eventually her and her husband came out to New
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Jersey and we had dinner with the four of us,
talked about business, career, family, and you know, I was
really interested. She's a total food nut, health food nut.
She's changed her life. I want to hear about what
she's eating. I'm really interested in her business. He was
a stylist before she was a jewelry designer, so she's
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got this crazy crazy olodics and you know, connections, and
all they do is wear her jewelry. I love that
you will find this not surprising at all since you
know me, Bobby. But the way I found Jennifer Fisher
was not through her amazing jewelry line, but through her
banana bread recipe. But I'm now a fan of her
line as well, but I did come to her through
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her food stuff. So I think just that, I think
it's really fun too that somebody as glamorous and as
talented as her also has this whole other side to
her that's really robust, and that she really is a
true multi hyphenet in that way. Well, I'm looking forward
to hopping on with Jennifer to get her recipes and
hears things. So I here goes and I hope you
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guys enjoy this conversation. Hey Jennifer, Hi Bobby, Hi Jennifer.
I'm good, Hi Hies, how are you? Thanks for having
me well, Jen, It's so good to meet you. I'm
a big avid follower of Jennifer fisher kitchen. You are,
(03:03):
Oh yeah. I was telling Bobby that the way I
found you was actually through your banana broad recipe, not
through your jewelry, which kind of tells you everything you
need to know about me is that that's that was
my entry point into the world or Jennifer Fisher. I
love that, and then I think we have friends in
common apart from Bobby, so I've I've heard a lot
about you over the years. It's really nice to meet you.
Proferably nice to meet you too. And Jennifer, the whole
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podcast is not just to talk about how you achieve
your success, but how you live your life. More So,
tell her briefly a little bit about you, because she
really learned about you from your food and didn't even
know you were a jewelry designer or a stylist. Bobby,
if I told you how many people a day DM
me that, they're like, wait, you're that jewel Oh my god,
you're the jewelry designer. Yeah, it's so crazy, It's it's insane.
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I mean, there's this, there's there's so many stories of
so many people. I mean a funny story too, is
a Monica Blunder, who's a friend of my name, is
a makeup artist. I guess I posted one of her
whatever things a while back and she was like, who
is this Jennifer Fisher kitchen person? I just sold like
fifty I just sold like fifty concealers or something and
they're like, who is this person? Who's like, Oh, it's
jewelry designer. So anyway, so you know, there's a lot
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of people that um somehow. You know, food has been
such a huge thing for people coming out of COVID,
and I think you know the search for well, first
of all, I'm Johnathan Fisher. I'm a jewelry designer. I
have been uh making jewelry for about fifteen years and
is that in jewelry? And before that I was a
wardroom stylist. So, um, you know, the jewelry thing happened
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by accident, happy accident. After I had my son Shane,
and I was giving people were giving the gifts to
represent him, and I didn't feel that they suited my
personal style or taste, and so I went out there
and I made my own and I wore this dog
tag necklace that had his full name on it, and
I would wear it on set when I was styling,
and I'd be on set at night, you know, with
like the grips and the gaffers, and it was this
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instant conversation piece, and everyone would say what does that say?
What is that? And I just automatically sparked, sparked so
many conversations. And the moment I told and what it was,
they were asking, Oh, my wife is gonna wank? Can
you make ones my wife? Um? You know, can you
make a star? Can make a heart? Can you make
a different shape? And that's how the jewelry business started.
I started selling direct consumer customizable find jewel rate online,
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um back in the day, and that's how it started.
And here we are. Then you started that you had
this clientele of celebrities and Kardashians and all of that, right,
didn't didn't you work with all those guys? Now? You know,
I worked with a lot of people. You know. It's
so funny that Kim Kardashian thing. I that was like,
that was like in the beginning of social media and like,
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you know, her and I did like a barter for
something like via text or something. I mean, I still
remember doing that with her. That was so long ago.
She's amazing. She was actually amazing to deal with it.
Such a smart business woman. I really have a lot
of respect for her and what she's become. Um, she's
a she's a class act. And her mother is an
absolutely incredible woman. UM. A lot of respect for that family. Um.
But you know, actually my first cover was actually by
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uh by chance. My end was a hairstylist working on
set with Uma Thurman, and she had requested a necklace
for me, and we made it for and we delivered
it the day that she was shooting a Glamor magazine
cover and she's like, I'm wearing it on the cover,
and so that's sort of you know, it was one
of those things where I just think it was just timing,
you know, the timing and life is so interesting how
everything happens. And it wasn't like it's not a paid thing.
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It wasn't you know, it's just interesting how things happen
and everything happens for a reason, and you can't plan it.
People always want to like, how do I do this?
I'm like, there's only one way to do it, which
is to do it. Agree and put your shoes on
and just do it. And it works. It doesn't work,
it shifts exactly. I get those messages from women every day.
They're like, I don't know how you do it? How
do you get up and do all of it every day?
It's such a daunting task, and it's like, it's really
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not if you just do it right. Well. I think
that's one of the things. It's so impressive about you,
and it comes across so clearly on your Instagram, which
again is sort of the main vehicle and which I
know you UM is following you because you're prolific on Instagram.
We all have to talk about that in a minute,
because you're so good on it and you're on it
all the time, and I don't know how you do it,
but you make it seems so easy and natural. Um
where people get such a peek into your day to
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day in a way that I think is incredible. But
then you're still running this company all the time. You're
doing all these amazing collaborations and doing all those cooking
and like all the salts, Like there's so many layers
and dimensions to what you're doing on a day to
day basis. That's super impressive. But I do think that
the thing that comes across so clearly is that you
just do it. You don't make excuses, you don't overthink it.
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You're just like, well, we're going to take this path,
and we're just going to go and do it. Yeah.
I think it's about just not just being direct about
things and sort of just like, why are we gonna
sit there and talk about it for twenty minutes. Let's
just get it done. We could have done twenty other
things by the time we're done talking about it, like
or or complaining about it. We're very similar, You're we're
very similar, So what we're friends, Jennifer and I are
very similar, and I'm learning how to work closely to
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people that are not like me, and it's it is
something definitely to be learned. But I do want to know,
since this podcast is called The Important Things, what has
changed or shifted for you since the pandemic? I mean
so much. You know, when the pandemic hit, you know,
it was terrifying for us for our business. Um, you know,
the first few days were like, oh my god, what
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are we gonna do? And you know, the one thing,
it's one of those things that I also feel like,
you know, we're so lucky that we had built this
infrastructure of internal you know, que seeing and shipping, so
we technically ship all of our products and you know, ourselves.
So we're a fulfillment house in New York City. Everything's
made in the United States, Q see it in house
and then shipped from from our offices in New York.
So when everything hit, no one could come to the office.
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So and suddenly everybody was like we are now on video.
Everyone was at this rectangle or square of their faces,
and everybody had to have food bearings everybody. It was
like insane like and someone had to ship them. So
I literally went in by myself and this is like,
you know, I've been so far removed before the pandemic,
you know, being the boss in my office, not really
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dealing with shipping or fulfillment, and suddenly I was the
only one that could go in and get these orders
out to customers. So I would go in every day
in my workout closed with my airpo is in with
my Justin Bieber playing. I mean, it was like and
I would just go in and I would shift hundreds
of packages by myself. I would say, I felt like
I was Will Smith in that that movie I Am
I Am Legend where the zombies were outside and it
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was like terrifying, there's no one outside. And Kevin would
drive me to work in the morning and he said,
God's weed, and I was, you know, me and the
UPS guys and the FedEx guys just trying to make
it work. So, you know, the things that have changed
is that you know, you you you can never be
grateful enough for the people that work for you and
make sure that your product is getting out and getting
delivered and you know your business is running. So you know,
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it's not that I didn't respect my my employees before,
but I have a new found level of respect for
what they do because I was doing most of their
jobs for a while by myself. I wonder if that experience,
I mean, I wouldn't even have thought of the reality
of war all in zoom and suddenly accessories really matter
and like what, like you know, you suddenly have everyone
looking at your earrings, like what a clever thing. I
thought of glasses, but I haven't thought about other accoupra
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mom around your around your body and your face. Um.
And it's it's super interesting because I your personal story
of how the line started after the birth of your son,
um connecting that back to why people are buying your
jewelry and this other moment in their life, like when
they're sort of everything's that's the chess board is sort
of been thrown up in the air, and now it's
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something to make you feel good about yourself, to sort
of differentiate yourself on a sea full of zooms of
zoom squares um, and that that accessory you can help
you maybe feel a little bit prettier in a really
difficult time and you know, just feel like you did
something for yourself. It's sort of a small luxury. And
I'm sure that really connected you back to your line
and why you do what you do in a different way.
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It did. I think people also, you know, during the pandemic,
I think a lot of people because they weren't traveling,
they weren't going to restaurants, and they're like, well, I'm
gonna buy something really nice for myself because right now
I don't know what's going on, So I'm going to
represent my family. So even just you know, the shorter
chime metasses and everyone to represent their family and what's
important to them and what we really started out doing.
You know, those things, we saw a huge uptick in
because everybody was suddenly like, well, I've got now. I
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couldn't buy that before and I'm not doing anything else,
so now I can buy that piece of jewelry that's
going to retain its value and have it forever and
pass it down to my kids. So there's a couple
of different things that went on during that, yeah, and
reflect the important things. You've always been the spokesperson, but
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you become the featured model in so much of your
social and half of the time you are pretty naked. Okay,
you don't many, you don't have a lot of clothes on.
You look freaking amazing because I don't think I could
say the word I really want to say, you look
freaking amazing. You and I have talked in our first
girl friendship was because we connected on Instagram about whatever
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your crackers you were making, or you know what to
eat and dr will call and all of this. So
tell everyone a little bit about your you know, your
journey with your health and wellness and these amazing recipes
that I think should be your next product line. But
go ahead. I know we need I need your help
doing that, Bobby, We've got to get on that, or
like I'm gonna have to talk to Bobby. Uh. So,
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you know, I for so many years, and I think
that's part of the reason why the kitchen account resonates
so much with so many people is that, you know,
I was always I grew up in you know, eighties
and nineties and terrible, horrible diet culture, really not taking
care of yourself, eating processed foods, counting calories, doing all
of the things that you really shouldn't do to be healthy.
And I, on top of that, have Hashimoto so I
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have an autoimmune disease UM. So I was always struggling
with that extra five pounds of swelling, inflammation, just brain fog, fatigue, uh,
so many things to go along with it. And I,
you know, I recently well, I cut out I cut
out gluten years ago, but I never really stuck to it,
and I always sort of like went back and forth
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like everybody does, Like oh, nam have French fries, and
pasta and I'm gonna go back tomorrow and then I'm
gonna eat a salad for six days. You know that's
just that really terrible sounds like me. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I don't know who does that? What are you talking about? Terrible?
Have it? So? You know? I I And this is
so when we opened my Beverly Hill store. You know,
we built a store in Beverly Hills during COVID and
we opened it in February UM of last year. And
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you know, at that time, we were having a quarantine
for ten days in Los Angeles, going back and forth.
So I was. I bought Will Cole's book, and I
was because I was always into you know, I never
really loved eating meat. Um, so I kind of just
wanted to see a new perspective. And someone had told
me about well I don't remember who it was, and
I read the book and that it's almost like this
crazy switch one off inside of my head and like
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why am I messing with my body like this? This
is so damaging to me. I'm fifty, I turned fifty
last may, you know, and I I'm just for me
to go into like perimenopause and menopause. I wanted to
go into all of those feelings as good as I
can and as healthy as I can. And I changed
the way that I stopped eating grains. I stopped eating
any gums, um, you know, any sugars, and it's it's
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kind of crazy what happened. I mean, I lost about
fifteen pounds of inflammation. What are gums? So there's like
war gums x anthem gum. If you go and read
your labels in your refrigerator, you will be floored everything
that you eat and drink like it's in It's in
almond milk. It's in everything, Yes it is, but you
could buy almond milk without it. So a lot of
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people are not schooled in that they're buying the ones
that are that are that the big commercial ones that
everybody's buying. It's it's healthy, organic, you know, blah blah blah,
and it's all you know. It's it's lying to you.
So gums are bad. Gums are bad? Gums are I
think gums are probably one of the main things that
really changed my body in terms of information, because I
didn't realize my hot sauce head gum in it. Everything
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has gums. Oh my god, I have not been on
the gums. My almond flower tortillas, I thought that we're
grain free were perfect has gums in it, and the
gums are like shelf stabilizers or something like that, right,
and that's why they put it in. It's shelf stable issers. Yeah,
it's nothing we should be eating, you know. And even
your your like broths have cane sugar in it, so
you know, it's all those simple things that you can
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do that if you're paying attention to the grocery store,
just take an extra second flip over whatever you're about
to buy and read what's on the in the ingredients
and if it has any of it, if it has to,
if you can't pronounce it, you shouldn't be putting your body. Yeah,
the hidden sugars is intense. It's in everything. I was
looking for almond milk. I was upstate and I was
choosing an almond milk that I thought I had used before,
and it seems you know, it was like fresh almond
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milk whatever, and it the back was like cane sugar
was a second ingredient. I was like, why was like
water cane sugar almonds? Like the other one. Yeah, it
just takes that extra second to look. But it's so
easy to get tricked by the labels because the picture
was just like pretty almonds, and so I thought, exactly,
You're like, it's clear getting yeah, no dairy. No dairy
is another big thing too. So you know all those
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things that changed my skin, it changed my body, it
changed everything. That's so cool. And you also did this
amazing collaboration with um CB two CB two CB two.
They're still selling it correct, Yeah, you know they they're
going to continue to sell a lot of it still too,
because I you know, it's done pretty well. I have
your martini glasses, which are inspired such good. I am
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wearing one of your necklaces. Like, I'm not that clueless.
I do understand that you are the same person now,
the jewelry designer and the food person, like I did
put it all together eventually. But the martini glasses Bobby have,
when you get these for you, they're amazing. Yeah they
don't spill, but they came from because I used to
always go to Mr we I used to drink a
ton of Lesia Martinis and Mr Chiles And you know,
when you get your martini it's always to the top,
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and then you go to take a sick it goes
down your arm YEP. I always have to like I
lean my head forward to sip it. It's so embarrassing.
I look like I'm a child, like sipping out of
my like my mother's cup or something. But how else
are you supposed to do it. I'm not that I
don't have stable hands like us, but yeah, your glasses
have made a huge difference. I do mind on the
rocks because then I keep adding more ice because then
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I drink less vodka. But I have a healthy version.
I've started um juicing my cucumbers and cucumbers and vodka,
so it is a diuretic. It's so good and you
feel and you're hydrated the next day. So no, that's
my news thing. My god, I love you so much.
That's amazing. Yeah, it's spa night, you know. It's okay,
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it's spa night. I need my cucumber juice to go
with my vodka. Okay, that's gonna be the TWEETA bowl
of this episode is Bobbies tip for healthy living is
the diuretic combination of cucumber and vodka. Vodka and cucumber well,
first of all, I'm fifteen years older than you, Jennifer,
and I have I have really learned that being in
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the moment, being with the people I love sometimes requires
me to go outside of my comfort level when it
comes to food, Like I do the best I can,
but I do kind of you know, you would think
I was totally off. You know, the walls. We were
in Paris at the same time. I ate cheese, I
ate bread, I ate French fries, I ate cheese, I bread,
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French fry, and martiniz I didn't. You didn't. I did. No,
you have to find like the luxury of like a
seafood tower, like that's so beautiful, and to eat all
of that fresh seafood instead of the instead of the
French fries and the bread and the butter and the cheese,
I mean I could. I actually, honestly, it was weird,
like I didn't even want it. And we were doing
like a major foodie version I Want with two of
my new girlfriends and a major foodie version of Paris.
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So we hit all the spots and I didn't do it,
and you were just fine, like you didn't care, because
I don't. I am very not that person who cannot
eat the cheese and the gin Martiniz and all them
me neither. You know what, I've been there so much
for work, Like I was like, you know what, I've
done this, Like I'm gonna do this my way now,
my new way. I just brought a bunch of stuff
and it was totally fun. And you do all the baking,
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all the cooking. You don't have a chefon. That's that's
one thing that kills me to They're like, where's the
secret housekeeper that's doing all your dishes. I'm like, it's
called meat. Like I work gloves. I'm like I can
tell you guys how to clean the pots and pans
because I do it all. I'm like, you know, baking
soda and lemon, Like I'm always giving people tips. Like
it's just me and my kitchen. Like I always say,
I don't go to therapy. I cook. It's like I think,
and I think it's resonates with the people that I
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really just I love doing it because like I can't
wait to get home at the end of my day
because the only time I really get to see my
kids is at the end of the day when they're
done with their steps because I've got you know, one
of my sons a junior, my daughter is a freshman,
and you know, they're both on totally different schedules, and
so it's really not like seven to nine o'clock time
that I get to see my kids. So if I'm
in the kitchen cooking where they're eating dinner, I'm around
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my kids when your family dinner is getting really really
hard to do, Yeah, because what do they eat? What
do you cook for them? They regular for my kids
eat gluten, My kids eat dairy, My kids eat so
I have all that stuff in my refrigerator. So are
you making everything? You're making like separate meals for Kevin,
for Keto Kevin, separate meals for you and for your kids.
I can't even how how do you find the hours
to do this? That's amazing. It's not I you prep
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run protein per night, So I prep a protein. My
kids don't love fish the way that I do. They'll
eat the shrimp when I make the shrimp. But if
I'm making like a salmon or something, I don't love it,
so I'll do like a steak or a chicken with
But it's really I do one protein per night. I
always make sure that I have rice or pasta made
for them. It's already ready to go. And it's really
like a lot of just reheating stuff. It's like it's
not you know, I'll like this morning, I made a
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big batch of baking because I knew it was Monday,
and Shane wants a bacon, egg and cheese every day
of the week, and so I'm not having to do
all this stuff. So I think it's just a matter
of kind of being organized and thoughtful about how you
a stock your refrigerator with stuff so you have everything
that you need, and then being just sort of doing
things in advance. Yeah, that seems to be the key.
I think that's what's Uh. Yeah, that's my takeaway from
this conversation so far as that I'm not organized, it's
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really what it got out. I'm much for a haphazard
I have a question. Do you ever have a need
to recharge? Do you get tired? I'm tired today. I
had a really bad night sleep last night. Yeah, But
for me recharging is different, Like for me, recharging is
sort of like I just need like time nuts, you know,
I do do TM me too, which I have. I
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love TM loved, but I haven't really been doing it lately,
to be completely honest, Um, but it's for me. It's
more of like you, Okay, I just have to sit
there and focus and re shift because there's so many
different things that I have to focus on every day.
It's like I'm the creative director of the brand. I
do all the designing myself. I do the creative direction
for all the all everything that we do. You know,
I've got my food, my kids, my family, my son.
We're starting to look at colleges. So it's just sort
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of like, you know, whatever is going on with our
business intern whatever I've got to you know, approve bad copy,
but like whatever needs to get done, I just need
to like take a second and reorganize myself sort of. Okay,
here we go again. I do a lot of breathing too,
and that's helpful. Also, you haven't taken a breath this
whole conversation. When does the breathing topic. I'm so inspired
by your energy. I'm gonna clean up my diet. I'm
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throwing everything out, like, let's start all over again. Wit
So when I don't believe you'll help you, We're going
to go out for cheese the first opportunity, you know.
Oh my god. So in your entire life, what do
you say are the important things, like from the time
you were born, Like what are those things? Uh? Well,
health is the most important thing, because if you don't
have that, we don't have anything. So I've really have
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come to appreciate that with all the things that I've
gone through through life. But also I think, um, you know,
work ethic is really really important, and I think people
you know, knowing that you're going to do the right
thing in business too, and do the right thing by people. Um.
You know that my father taught me that at a
very young age. My father was an entrepreneur. And you know,
always with every business that I had or did, there's
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a lot of them. Um, you know. I had started
my first fluttoneering business when they are in Vegas one
weekend with my babysitter called JJ Flettneers. But I was
like a serial entrepreneur, Like I was like I was
a kid. They would like go pick your flowers out
of your yard and make a bouquet and knock on
the door and but like to buy some flowers. Oh
my god, that's my kid. I'm gonna send my kid
over to you. She hasn't learned to cook. And yeah,
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you know, I think like integrity, you know, all those
things are really really important. Um, you know, also learning
to you know, I was reading through what we're going
to talk about in this and I was thinking about,
you know, the things that are really really important, and
it's it's so important to to learn how to listen
to yourself and your gut feelings and what you think
is right over what other people are chirping in your
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ear and telling you what they should do. Because no
one what you should do, because no one's been through
what you've been through. No one's doing what you're doing,
you know, so you need to listen to yourself and
what you think is right for you and your business
and your life. Well, then, who has been the greatest
impact in your life? Well, there's a few people. I
mean my parents, I mean, I have to say I
had amazing I have a very amazing parents. My mom
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taught me how to be self assured and confident. My
father taught me business um and how to hustle UM
at a very early age. And so those things really
make me who I am. And so you know, as
Kevin and I Kevin is also a very important person
in my life to my husband. I. You know, as
we parent our kids too and as they get older. Um,
(23:44):
those are sort of the things that I kind of
think about, you know, as they watch us and how
we behave and the things that we do to try
not to mess them up. You know, what can we
do that to instill part of what we think is
important in them so as they grow they are good humans?
You know, So we're doing our best. And what do
you struggle with on on day to day? You seem
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like everything is like I get up, I do this,
I do this, I have businesses. Like what do you
personally struggle with on a day to day? I struggle
with managing the stress of it all. You know, this morning,
I woke up pretty stressed because we have a lot happening,
and it's sort of I guess it's the it's the
not knowing sometimes as the hardest um for me. Um,
you know, I'm the type of person like I wanted
to give me a direction, I'll go, you know, so
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sometimes that that gray area for me is the hardest
of like I'm not sure what we should be doing.
I don't know if we should do this or this.
Those things are hard for me. I mean I said,
I'm like, Okay, we're gonna do this and we're gonna go.
So that gray area before I make a decision is stressful.
Um as a business founder, uh and as a boss
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that makes sense though, because you've got the team waiting
for a direction, right, Like you seem like a very
clear entrepreneur and when you uh what the theme is
definitely like when you are clear, you have no problem
just like false the wall, Like You're go in full
force and everybody will follow, So they might all be
kind of waiting for you to say this is what
we're doing. That's the thing though, and that's where I'm
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not good, and that's a fault of mind, and that's
something that I need to improve on, is my communication
skills that way, because for me, I'm like, oh, what
they're they're not reading my mind. You don't know what
I'm gonna do. You know what do you mean you're
not reading my mind? That you know exactly what I
wanted to be doing? And why are you ask me
this question? Don't you know? They answer that question? So
that that part of me needs definitely I need to
work on and I'm trying to get better. Kevin is
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helping me communicate better well. But the title of my
unwritten business book is called duh, Right, yeah, of course duh.
I mean, you know, I have a couple more wellness questions. So, um,
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just because I'm obsessed with how in it you are.
What do you think is the number one thing that
you picked up during the pandemic that you are a
habit that you're doing that you didn't do before, or
is there anything that you've changed since your home more? Well,
I started cooking more. I started doing more. But you
know it's so funny is during it. So this is
what's so interesting. And so during the pandemic, when I
started cooking on Instagram, it was before I was a ketoterian,
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so it's full it was it was gluten free products,
it was dairy and I get a lot of people
to complain to me now to this day saying like,
we miss your cheese recipes and I just sub it
with regular cheese. Then like, just do you know sub
it back to what it was? You know, I think
learning to cook. I mean I started to really put
myself out there a little bit more with food. But
I think I learned that, you know, you don't have to.
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I was making things a little more complicated in terms
of recipes before the pandemic, and then when you're in it,
you're like a shorter to cook for your family because
you're all stock at home. When you're having to make
three miles a day, and it's like, oh my god,
what kind of just throw together that's quickly. So I
think the ability to sort of do things faster and
easier with less ingredients is something that I kind of
picked up. Um, but now and now that I'm I'm
this way with my diet, um, it's so, I mean,
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I try. I think it's like most of my recipes
have like five or six things and not counting the seasonings.
But to go into it, I think if more people
ate that way, because a lot of people are like,
why don't you concern about your salt because you make
salting too much salt in your food, I'm like, well,
if you're not eating things that come out of a package,
stop opening your freezer to make your meals, you know,
and stop opening a package or a can or a
box to make your food. Start using starting with whole food.
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So start with a fresh protein. Yeah, and salt is
good for you, Like you need salt. You can't not
have salt, But you gotta salt your food, right, only
if the salt tastes good and your salt taste delicious. Yeah, delicious.
I'm on my second set. So I have a question
that's going to end up being our final question to everyone.
So um, it's it's called on my paper closing thought,
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which I love that. So one final thought, if you
could leave with us, if you could tell someone that's
listening one thing that could change the course of their
life for the better. According to Jennifer Fisher, what would
it be listen to yourself, not others. That's amazing. It's
so simple. It's so simple. And if I had done
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that earlier, I mean in my jewelry design career, in
my styling career, if I had not listened to other
opinions of what people thought I should be doing and
listen to that that the directions I was like, I
always like think like, oh my god, where would I
be now if I actually listened to myself and didn't
make that mistake. You're unstoppable as it is, so I
can't imagine if you had just listened to your own
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intuition the entire way through, and you have so many years,
so many decades ahead of you to become this, you know,
like major person in the food industry, and and you
know you're gonna be like the next Mrs Fields. I
don't know, you're gonna be something more than you want jewelry.
What I want, I hope, so thank you. What I
want is to help people not waste time the way
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that I did for so many years doing things wrong.
You know, I I just I ate incorrectly for so
many years. And it would have been such a simple
shift if I didn't mess around with so many other
things for so long, if I just simplified things, because
this is really all it is. It's just cutting stuff
out and simplifying things. I am so inspired. I cannot
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wait to go back on your website and start doing things.
And you know, maybe I can get my daughter in
Latta to make some of those recipes. But thank you
so much for talking to us, Thanks for being our
first guest, Thanks for having me and Jennifer. If I
see you on the streets of New York because we
live near each other, we don't mind me if I
have cost you for some banana bread, Oh my god,
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anytime
How many things are different since we met, since before
the pandemic, how my life has changed, and how things
that you didn't realize were so important are really the
important things. Right. It's not just your career, and it's
not just how you show up at work. It's really
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the words that come out of your mouth and how
you live your life. Hi, Bobby, Hi on Julie, how
are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good? Things? So,
our guests on the show is Jennifer Fisher. Who have
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you ever met her? Now? I haven't, but I follow
her Instagram with interest. Yeah, she's very interesting. I've been
parallel career your path on many different times, you know,
but I hadn't met her up until I guess about
a year ago. I guess it was. I don't even
remember if it was before the pandemic. That's how you know,
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crazy this year and a half, two years has been.
But she was asking me on um d MS on Instagram.
That's how we connected, right, That's how I meet a
lot of people on Instagram. And we started talking and finally,
you know, I picked up the phone or she picked
up the phone, and we spoke on the phone, and
then eventually her and her husband came out to New
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Jersey and we had dinner with the four of us,
talked about business, career, family, and you know, I was
really interested. She's a total food nut, health food nut.
She's changed her life. I want to hear about what
she's eating. I'm really interested in her business. He was
a stylist before she was a jewelry designer, so she's
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got this crazy crazy olodics and you know, connections, and
all they do is wear her jewelry. I love that
you will find this not surprising at all since you
know me, Bobby. But the way I found Jennifer Fisher
was not through her amazing jewelry line, but through her
banana bread recipe. But I'm now a fan of her
line as well, but I did come to her through
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her food stuff. So I think just that, I think
it's really fun too that somebody as glamorous and as
talented as her also has this whole other side to
her that's really robust, and that she really is a
true multi hyphenet in that way. Well, I'm looking forward
to hopping on with Jennifer to get her recipes and
hears things. So I here goes and I hope you
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guys enjoy this conversation. Hey Jennifer, Hi Bobby, Hi Jennifer.
I'm good, Hi Hies, how are you? Thanks for having
me well, Jen, It's so good to meet you. I'm
a big avid follower of Jennifer fisher kitchen. You are,
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Oh yeah. I was telling Bobby that the way I
found you was actually through your banana broad recipe, not
through your jewelry, which kind of tells you everything you
need to know about me is that that's that was
my entry point into the world or Jennifer Fisher. I
love that, and then I think we have friends in
common apart from Bobby, so I've I've heard a lot
about you over the years. It's really nice to meet you.
Proferably nice to meet you too. And Jennifer, the whole
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podcast is not just to talk about how you achieve
your success, but how you live your life. More So,
tell her briefly a little bit about you, because she
really learned about you from your food and didn't even
know you were a jewelry designer or a stylist. Bobby,
if I told you how many people a day DM
me that, they're like, wait, you're that jewel Oh my god,
you're the jewelry designer. Yeah, it's so crazy, It's it's insane.
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I mean, there's this, there's there's so many stories of
so many people. I mean a funny story too, is
a Monica Blunder, who's a friend of my name, is
a makeup artist. I guess I posted one of her
whatever things a while back and she was like, who
is this Jennifer Fisher kitchen person? I just sold like
fifty I just sold like fifty concealers or something and
they're like, who is this person? Who's like, Oh, it's
jewelry designer. So anyway, so you know, there's a lot
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of people that um somehow. You know, food has been
such a huge thing for people coming out of COVID,
and I think you know the search for well, first
of all, I'm Johnathan Fisher. I'm a jewelry designer. I
have been uh making jewelry for about fifteen years and
is that in jewelry? And before that I was a
wardroom stylist. So, um, you know, the jewelry thing happened
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by accident, happy accident. After I had my son Shane,
and I was giving people were giving the gifts to
represent him, and I didn't feel that they suited my
personal style or taste, and so I went out there
and I made my own and I wore this dog
tag necklace that had his full name on it, and
I would wear it on set when I was styling,
and I'd be on set at night, you know, with
like the grips and the gaffers, and it was this
(04:52):
instant conversation piece, and everyone would say what does that say?
What is that? And I just automatically sparked, sparked so
many conversations. And the moment I told and what it was,
they were asking, Oh, my wife is gonna wank? Can
you make ones my wife? Um? You know, can you
make a star? Can make a heart? Can you make
a different shape? And that's how the jewelry business started.
I started selling direct consumer customizable find jewel rate online,
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um back in the day, and that's how it started.
And here we are. Then you started that you had
this clientele of celebrities and Kardashians and all of that, right,
didn't didn't you work with all those guys? Now? You know,
I worked with a lot of people. You know. It's
so funny that Kim Kardashian thing. I that was like,
that was like in the beginning of social media and like,
(05:34):
you know, her and I did like a barter for
something like via text or something. I mean, I still
remember doing that with her. That was so long ago.
She's amazing. She was actually amazing to deal with it.
Such a smart business woman. I really have a lot
of respect for her and what she's become. Um, she's
a she's a class act. And her mother is an
absolutely incredible woman. UM. A lot of respect for that family. Um.
But you know, actually my first cover was actually by
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uh by chance. My end was a hairstylist working on
set with Uma Thurman, and she had requested a necklace
for me, and we made it for and we delivered
it the day that she was shooting a Glamor magazine
cover and she's like, I'm wearing it on the cover,
and so that's sort of you know, it was one
of those things where I just think it was just timing,
you know, the timing and life is so interesting how
everything happens. And it wasn't like it's not a paid thing.
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It wasn't you know, it's just interesting how things happen
and everything happens for a reason, and you can't plan it.
People always want to like, how do I do this?
I'm like, there's only one way to do it, which
is to do it. Agree and put your shoes on
and just do it. And it works. It doesn't work,
it shifts exactly. I get those messages from women every day.
They're like, I don't know how you do it? How
do you get up and do all of it every day?
It's such a daunting task, and it's like, it's really
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not if you just do it right. Well. I think
that's one of the things. It's so impressive about you,
and it comes across so clearly on your Instagram, which
again is sort of the main vehicle and which I
know you UM is following you because you're prolific on Instagram.
We all have to talk about that in a minute,
because you're so good on it and you're on it
all the time, and I don't know how you do it,
but you make it seems so easy and natural. Um
where people get such a peek into your day to
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day in a way that I think is incredible. But
then you're still running this company all the time. You're
doing all these amazing collaborations and doing all those cooking
and like all the salts, Like there's so many layers
and dimensions to what you're doing on a day to
day basis. That's super impressive. But I do think that
the thing that comes across so clearly is that you
just do it. You don't make excuses, you don't overthink it.
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You're just like, well, we're going to take this path,
and we're just going to go and do it. Yeah.
I think it's about just not just being direct about
things and sort of just like, why are we gonna
sit there and talk about it for twenty minutes. Let's
just get it done. We could have done twenty other
things by the time we're done talking about it, like
or or complaining about it. We're very similar, You're we're
very similar, So what we're friends, Jennifer and I are
very similar, and I'm learning how to work closely to
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people that are not like me, and it's it is
something definitely to be learned. But I do want to know,
since this podcast is called The Important Things, what has
changed or shifted for you since the pandemic? I mean
so much. You know, when the pandemic hit, you know,
it was terrifying for us for our business. Um, you know,
the first few days were like, oh my god, what
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are we gonna do? And you know, the one thing,
it's one of those things that I also feel like,
you know, we're so lucky that we had built this
infrastructure of internal you know, que seeing and shipping, so
we technically ship all of our products and you know, ourselves.
So we're a fulfillment house in New York City. Everything's
made in the United States, Q see it in house
and then shipped from from our offices in New York.
So when everything hit, no one could come to the office.
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So and suddenly everybody was like we are now on video.
Everyone was at this rectangle or square of their faces,
and everybody had to have food bearings everybody. It was
like insane like and someone had to ship them. So
I literally went in by myself and this is like,
you know, I've been so far removed before the pandemic,
you know, being the boss in my office, not really
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dealing with shipping or fulfillment, and suddenly I was the
only one that could go in and get these orders
out to customers. So I would go in every day
in my workout closed with my airpo is in with
my Justin Bieber playing. I mean, it was like and
I would just go in and I would shift hundreds
of packages by myself. I would say, I felt like
I was Will Smith in that that movie I Am
I Am Legend where the zombies were outside and it
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was like terrifying, there's no one outside. And Kevin would
drive me to work in the morning and he said,
God's weed, and I was, you know, me and the
UPS guys and the FedEx guys just trying to make
it work. So, you know, the things that have changed
is that you know, you you you can never be
grateful enough for the people that work for you and
make sure that your product is getting out and getting
delivered and you know your business is running. So you know,
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it's not that I didn't respect my my employees before,
but I have a new found level of respect for
what they do because I was doing most of their
jobs for a while by myself. I wonder if that experience,
I mean, I wouldn't even have thought of the reality
of war all in zoom and suddenly accessories really matter
and like what, like you know, you suddenly have everyone
looking at your earrings, like what a clever thing. I
thought of glasses, but I haven't thought about other accoupra
(09:54):
mom around your around your body and your face. Um.
And it's it's super interesting because I your personal story
of how the line started after the birth of your son,
um connecting that back to why people are buying your
jewelry and this other moment in their life, like when
they're sort of everything's that's the chess board is sort
of been thrown up in the air, and now it's
(10:15):
something to make you feel good about yourself, to sort
of differentiate yourself on a sea full of zooms of
zoom squares um, and that that accessory you can help
you maybe feel a little bit prettier in a really
difficult time and you know, just feel like you did
something for yourself. It's sort of a small luxury. And
I'm sure that really connected you back to your line
and why you do what you do in a different way.
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It did. I think people also, you know, during the pandemic,
I think a lot of people because they weren't traveling,
they weren't going to restaurants, and they're like, well, I'm
gonna buy something really nice for myself because right now
I don't know what's going on, So I'm going to
represent my family. So even just you know, the shorter
chime metasses and everyone to represent their family and what's
important to them and what we really started out doing.
You know, those things, we saw a huge uptick in
because everybody was suddenly like, well, I've got now. I
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couldn't buy that before and I'm not doing anything else,
so now I can buy that piece of jewelry that's
going to retain its value and have it forever and
pass it down to my kids. So there's a couple
of different things that went on during that, yeah, and
reflect the important things. You've always been the spokesperson, but
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you become the featured model in so much of your
social and half of the time you are pretty naked. Okay,
you don't many, you don't have a lot of clothes on.
You look freaking amazing because I don't think I could
say the word I really want to say, you look
freaking amazing. You and I have talked in our first
girl friendship was because we connected on Instagram about whatever
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your crackers you were making, or you know what to
eat and dr will call and all of this. So
tell everyone a little bit about your you know, your
journey with your health and wellness and these amazing recipes
that I think should be your next product line. But
go ahead. I know we need I need your help
doing that, Bobby, We've got to get on that, or
like I'm gonna have to talk to Bobby. Uh. So,
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you know, I for so many years, and I think
that's part of the reason why the kitchen account resonates
so much with so many people is that, you know,
I was always I grew up in you know, eighties
and nineties and terrible, horrible diet culture, really not taking
care of yourself, eating processed foods, counting calories, doing all
of the things that you really shouldn't do to be healthy.
And I, on top of that, have Hashimoto so I
(12:37):
have an autoimmune disease UM. So I was always struggling
with that extra five pounds of swelling, inflammation, just brain fog, fatigue, uh,
so many things to go along with it. And I,
you know, I recently well, I cut out I cut
out gluten years ago, but I never really stuck to it,
and I always sort of like went back and forth
(12:57):
like everybody does, Like oh, nam have French fries, and
pasta and I'm gonna go back tomorrow and then I'm
gonna eat a salad for six days. You know that's
just that really terrible sounds like me. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I don't know who does that? What are you talking about? Terrible?
Have it? So? You know? I I And this is
so when we opened my Beverly Hill store. You know,
we built a store in Beverly Hills during COVID and
we opened it in February UM of last year. And
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you know, at that time, we were having a quarantine
for ten days in Los Angeles, going back and forth.
So I was. I bought Will Cole's book, and I
was because I was always into you know, I never
really loved eating meat. Um, so I kind of just
wanted to see a new perspective. And someone had told
me about well I don't remember who it was, and
I read the book and that it's almost like this
crazy switch one off inside of my head and like
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why am I messing with my body like this? This
is so damaging to me. I'm fifty, I turned fifty
last may, you know, and I I'm just for me
to go into like perimenopause and menopause. I wanted to
go into all of those feelings as good as I
can and as healthy as I can. And I changed
the way that I stopped eating grains. I stopped eating
any gums, um, you know, any sugars, and it's it's
(14:04):
kind of crazy what happened. I mean, I lost about
fifteen pounds of inflammation. What are gums? So there's like
war gums x anthem gum. If you go and read
your labels in your refrigerator, you will be floored everything
that you eat and drink like it's in It's in
almond milk. It's in everything, Yes it is, but you
could buy almond milk without it. So a lot of
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people are not schooled in that they're buying the ones
that are that are that the big commercial ones that
everybody's buying. It's it's healthy, organic, you know, blah blah blah,
and it's all you know. It's it's lying to you.
So gums are bad. Gums are bad? Gums are I
think gums are probably one of the main things that
really changed my body in terms of information, because I
didn't realize my hot sauce head gum in it. Everything
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has gums. Oh my god, I have not been on
the gums. My almond flower tortillas, I thought that we're
grain free were perfect has gums in it, and the
gums are like shelf stabilizers or something like that, right,
and that's why they put it in. It's shelf stable issers. Yeah,
it's nothing we should be eating, you know. And even
your your like broths have cane sugar in it, so
you know, it's all those simple things that you can
(15:07):
do that if you're paying attention to the grocery store,
just take an extra second flip over whatever you're about
to buy and read what's on the in the ingredients
and if it has any of it, if it has to,
if you can't pronounce it, you shouldn't be putting your body. Yeah,
the hidden sugars is intense. It's in everything. I was
looking for almond milk. I was upstate and I was
choosing an almond milk that I thought I had used before,
and it seems you know, it was like fresh almond
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milk whatever, and it the back was like cane sugar
was a second ingredient. I was like, why was like
water cane sugar almonds? Like the other one. Yeah, it
just takes that extra second to look. But it's so
easy to get tricked by the labels because the picture
was just like pretty almonds, and so I thought, exactly,
You're like, it's clear getting yeah, no dairy. No dairy
is another big thing too. So you know all those
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things that changed my skin, it changed my body, it
changed everything. That's so cool. And you also did this
amazing collaboration with um CB two CB two CB two.
They're still selling it correct, Yeah, you know they they're
going to continue to sell a lot of it still too,
because I you know, it's done pretty well. I have
your martini glasses, which are inspired such good. I am
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wearing one of your necklaces. Like, I'm not that clueless.
I do understand that you are the same person now,
the jewelry designer and the food person, like I did
put it all together eventually. But the martini glasses Bobby have,
when you get these for you, they're amazing. Yeah they
don't spill, but they came from because I used to
always go to Mr we I used to drink a
ton of Lesia Martinis and Mr Chiles And you know,
when you get your martini it's always to the top,
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and then you go to take a sick it goes
down your arm YEP. I always have to like I
lean my head forward to sip it. It's so embarrassing.
I look like I'm a child, like sipping out of
my like my mother's cup or something. But how else
are you supposed to do it. I'm not that I
don't have stable hands like us, but yeah, your glasses
have made a huge difference. I do mind on the
rocks because then I keep adding more ice because then
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I drink less vodka. But I have a healthy version.
I've started um juicing my cucumbers and cucumbers and vodka,
so it is a diuretic. It's so good and you
feel and you're hydrated the next day. So no, that's
my news thing. My god, I love you so much.
That's amazing. Yeah, it's spa night, you know. It's okay,
(17:15):
it's spa night. I need my cucumber juice to go
with my vodka. Okay, that's gonna be the TWEETA bowl
of this episode is Bobbies tip for healthy living is
the diuretic combination of cucumber and vodka. Vodka and cucumber well,
first of all, I'm fifteen years older than you, Jennifer,
and I have I have really learned that being in
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the moment, being with the people I love sometimes requires
me to go outside of my comfort level when it
comes to food, Like I do the best I can,
but I do kind of you know, you would think
I was totally off. You know, the walls. We were
in Paris at the same time. I ate cheese, I
ate bread, I ate French fries, I ate cheese, I bread,
(17:59):
French fry, and martiniz I didn't. You didn't. I did. No,
you have to find like the luxury of like a
seafood tower, like that's so beautiful, and to eat all
of that fresh seafood instead of the instead of the
French fries and the bread and the butter and the cheese,
I mean I could. I actually, honestly, it was weird,
like I didn't even want it. And we were doing
like a major foodie version I Want with two of
my new girlfriends and a major foodie version of Paris.
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So we hit all the spots and I didn't do it,
and you were just fine, like you didn't care, because
I don't. I am very not that person who cannot
eat the cheese and the gin Martiniz and all them
me neither. You know what, I've been there so much
for work, Like I was like, you know what, I've
done this, Like I'm gonna do this my way now,
my new way. I just brought a bunch of stuff
and it was totally fun. And you do all the baking,
(18:44):
all the cooking. You don't have a chefon. That's that's
one thing that kills me to They're like, where's the
secret housekeeper that's doing all your dishes. I'm like, it's
called meat. Like I work gloves. I'm like I can
tell you guys how to clean the pots and pans
because I do it all. I'm like, you know, baking
soda and lemon, Like I'm always giving people tips. Like
it's just me and my kitchen. Like I always say,
I don't go to therapy. I cook. It's like I think,
and I think it's resonates with the people that I
(19:06):
really just I love doing it because like I can't
wait to get home at the end of my day
because the only time I really get to see my
kids is at the end of the day when they're
done with their steps because I've got you know, one
of my sons a junior, my daughter is a freshman,
and you know, they're both on totally different schedules, and
so it's really not like seven to nine o'clock time
that I get to see my kids. So if I'm
in the kitchen cooking where they're eating dinner, I'm around
(19:26):
my kids when your family dinner is getting really really
hard to do, Yeah, because what do they eat? What
do you cook for them? They regular for my kids
eat gluten, My kids eat dairy, My kids eat so
I have all that stuff in my refrigerator. So are
you making everything? You're making like separate meals for Kevin,
for Keto Kevin, separate meals for you and for your kids.
I can't even how how do you find the hours
to do this? That's amazing. It's not I you prep
(19:49):
run protein per night, So I prep a protein. My
kids don't love fish the way that I do. They'll
eat the shrimp when I make the shrimp. But if
I'm making like a salmon or something, I don't love it,
so I'll do like a steak or a chicken with
But it's really I do one protein per night. I
always make sure that I have rice or pasta made
for them. It's already ready to go. And it's really
like a lot of just reheating stuff. It's like it's
not you know, I'll like this morning, I made a
(20:10):
big batch of baking because I knew it was Monday,
and Shane wants a bacon, egg and cheese every day
of the week, and so I'm not having to do
all this stuff. So I think it's just a matter
of kind of being organized and thoughtful about how you
a stock your refrigerator with stuff so you have everything
that you need, and then being just sort of doing
things in advance. Yeah, that seems to be the key.
I think that's what's Uh. Yeah, that's my takeaway from
this conversation so far as that I'm not organized, it's
(20:32):
really what it got out. I'm much for a haphazard
I have a question. Do you ever have a need
to recharge? Do you get tired? I'm tired today. I
had a really bad night sleep last night. Yeah, But
for me recharging is different, Like for me, recharging is
sort of like I just need like time nuts, you know,
I do do TM me too, which I have. I
(20:53):
love TM loved, but I haven't really been doing it lately,
to be completely honest, Um, but it's for me. It's
more of like you, Okay, I just have to sit
there and focus and re shift because there's so many
different things that I have to focus on every day.
It's like I'm the creative director of the brand. I
do all the designing myself. I do the creative direction
for all the all everything that we do. You know,
I've got my food, my kids, my family, my son.
We're starting to look at colleges. So it's just sort
(21:14):
of like, you know, whatever is going on with our
business intern whatever I've got to you know, approve bad copy,
but like whatever needs to get done, I just need
to like take a second and reorganize myself sort of. Okay,
here we go again. I do a lot of breathing too,
and that's helpful. Also, you haven't taken a breath this
whole conversation. When does the breathing topic. I'm so inspired
by your energy. I'm gonna clean up my diet. I'm
(21:35):
throwing everything out, like, let's start all over again. Wit
So when I don't believe you'll help you, We're going
to go out for cheese the first opportunity, you know.
Oh my god. So in your entire life, what do
you say are the important things, like from the time
you were born, Like what are those things? Uh? Well,
health is the most important thing, because if you don't
have that, we don't have anything. So I've really have
(21:57):
come to appreciate that with all the things that I've
gone through through life. But also I think, um, you know,
work ethic is really really important, and I think people
you know, knowing that you're going to do the right
thing in business too, and do the right thing by people. Um.
You know that my father taught me that at a
very young age. My father was an entrepreneur. And you know,
always with every business that I had or did, there's
(22:18):
a lot of them. Um, you know. I had started
my first fluttoneering business when they are in Vegas one
weekend with my babysitter called JJ Flettneers. But I was
like a serial entrepreneur, Like I was like I was
a kid. They would like go pick your flowers out
of your yard and make a bouquet and knock on
the door and but like to buy some flowers. Oh
my god, that's my kid. I'm gonna send my kid
over to you. She hasn't learned to cook. And yeah,
(22:40):
you know, I think like integrity, you know, all those
things are really really important. Um, you know, also learning
to you know, I was reading through what we're going
to talk about in this and I was thinking about,
you know, the things that are really really important, and
it's it's so important to to learn how to listen
to yourself and your gut feelings and what you think
is right over what other people are chirping in your
(23:02):
ear and telling you what they should do. Because no
one what you should do, because no one's been through
what you've been through. No one's doing what you're doing,
you know, so you need to listen to yourself and
what you think is right for you and your business
and your life. Well, then, who has been the greatest
impact in your life? Well, there's a few people. I
mean my parents, I mean, I have to say I
had amazing I have a very amazing parents. My mom
(23:22):
taught me how to be self assured and confident. My
father taught me business um and how to hustle UM
at a very early age. And so those things really
make me who I am. And so you know, as
Kevin and I Kevin is also a very important person
in my life to my husband. I. You know, as
we parent our kids too and as they get older. Um,
(23:44):
those are sort of the things that I kind of
think about, you know, as they watch us and how
we behave and the things that we do to try
not to mess them up. You know, what can we
do that to instill part of what we think is
important in them so as they grow they are good humans?
You know, So we're doing our best. And what do
you struggle with on on day to day? You seem
(24:04):
like everything is like I get up, I do this,
I do this, I have businesses. Like what do you
personally struggle with on a day to day? I struggle
with managing the stress of it all. You know, this morning,
I woke up pretty stressed because we have a lot happening,
and it's sort of I guess it's the it's the
not knowing sometimes as the hardest um for me. Um,
you know, I'm the type of person like I wanted
to give me a direction, I'll go, you know, so
(24:26):
sometimes that that gray area for me is the hardest
of like I'm not sure what we should be doing.
I don't know if we should do this or this.
Those things are hard for me. I mean I said,
I'm like, Okay, we're gonna do this and we're gonna go.
So that gray area before I make a decision is stressful.
Um as a business founder, uh and as a boss
(24:48):
that makes sense though, because you've got the team waiting
for a direction, right, Like you seem like a very
clear entrepreneur and when you uh what the theme is
definitely like when you are clear, you have no problem
just like false the wall, Like You're go in full
force and everybody will follow, So they might all be
kind of waiting for you to say this is what
we're doing. That's the thing though, and that's where I'm
(25:09):
not good, and that's a fault of mind, and that's
something that I need to improve on, is my communication
skills that way, because for me, I'm like, oh, what
they're they're not reading my mind. You don't know what
I'm gonna do. You know what do you mean you're
not reading my mind? That you know exactly what I
wanted to be doing? And why are you ask me
this question? Don't you know? They answer that question? So
that that part of me needs definitely I need to
work on and I'm trying to get better. Kevin is
(25:29):
helping me communicate better well. But the title of my
unwritten business book is called duh, Right, yeah, of course duh.
I mean, you know, I have a couple more wellness questions. So, um,
(25:50):
just because I'm obsessed with how in it you are.
What do you think is the number one thing that
you picked up during the pandemic that you are a
habit that you're doing that you didn't do before, or
is there anything that you've changed since your home more? Well,
I started cooking more. I started doing more. But you
know it's so funny is during it. So this is
what's so interesting. And so during the pandemic, when I
started cooking on Instagram, it was before I was a ketoterian,
(26:12):
so it's full it was it was gluten free products,
it was dairy and I get a lot of people
to complain to me now to this day saying like,
we miss your cheese recipes and I just sub it
with regular cheese. Then like, just do you know sub
it back to what it was? You know, I think
learning to cook. I mean I started to really put
myself out there a little bit more with food. But
I think I learned that, you know, you don't have to.
(26:33):
I was making things a little more complicated in terms
of recipes before the pandemic, and then when you're in it,
you're like a shorter to cook for your family because
you're all stock at home. When you're having to make
three miles a day, and it's like, oh my god,
what kind of just throw together that's quickly. So I
think the ability to sort of do things faster and
easier with less ingredients is something that I kind of
picked up. Um, but now and now that I'm I'm
this way with my diet, um, it's so, I mean,
(26:55):
I try. I think it's like most of my recipes
have like five or six things and not counting the seasonings.
But to go into it, I think if more people
ate that way, because a lot of people are like,
why don't you concern about your salt because you make
salting too much salt in your food, I'm like, well,
if you're not eating things that come out of a package,
stop opening your freezer to make your meals, you know,
and stop opening a package or a can or a
box to make your food. Start using starting with whole food.
(27:17):
So start with a fresh protein. Yeah, and salt is
good for you, Like you need salt. You can't not
have salt, But you gotta salt your food, right, only
if the salt tastes good and your salt taste delicious. Yeah, delicious.
I'm on my second set. So I have a question
that's going to end up being our final question to everyone.
So um, it's it's called on my paper closing thought,
(27:41):
which I love that. So one final thought, if you
could leave with us, if you could tell someone that's
listening one thing that could change the course of their
life for the better. According to Jennifer Fisher, what would
it be listen to yourself, not others. That's amazing. It's
so simple. It's so simple. And if I had done
(28:02):
that earlier, I mean in my jewelry design career, in
my styling career, if I had not listened to other
opinions of what people thought I should be doing and
listen to that that the directions I was like, I
always like think like, oh my god, where would I
be now if I actually listened to myself and didn't
make that mistake. You're unstoppable as it is, so I
can't imagine if you had just listened to your own
(28:22):
intuition the entire way through, and you have so many years,
so many decades ahead of you to become this, you know,
like major person in the food industry, and and you
know you're gonna be like the next Mrs Fields. I
don't know, you're gonna be something more than you want jewelry.
What I want, I hope, so thank you. What I
want is to help people not waste time the way
(28:45):
that I did for so many years doing things wrong.
You know, I I just I ate incorrectly for so
many years. And it would have been such a simple
shift if I didn't mess around with so many other
things for so long, if I just simplified things, because
this is really all it is. It's just cutting stuff
out and simplifying things. I am so inspired. I cannot
(29:06):
wait to go back on your website and start doing things.
And you know, maybe I can get my daughter in
Latta to make some of those recipes. But thank you
so much for talking to us, Thanks for being our
first guest, Thanks for having me and Jennifer. If I
see you on the streets of New York because we
live near each other, we don't mind me if I
have cost you for some banana bread, Oh my god,
(29:27):
anytime
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