Jenkins and Jonez - The Roast of Rudy Gobert

The guys are joined by musician and NBA writer Claire de Lune to discuss Nikola Jokic absolutely destroying Rudy Gobert (5:00), the Knicks dominating the Pacers (32:00), the Lakers coaching search later (44:00), and more. #volume

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Ins of Jones podcast. We are joined tonight by a

(01:43):
very special guest, cleaiar dalon Legitimate Rockstars slash Basketball Writer,
which is like the weirdest combination of things to do ever, Claire.
You can listen to Claire at Tiny Deaths on all
streaming services, and she's also NBA writer for The Guardian. Claire,
thank you so much for hopping on with us. We appreciate.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Oh my god, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
I'm so excited, especially once I found out that this
was an official Rudy Gobert roast.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
I was like, I'm so ready, born ready.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
The stars.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
They really did.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Uh, that's Dragonfly Jones. That's the Jefro Jenkins. I'm Guardy
b reproduced as always by Jackson. But let's just jump
into it. I want to start with the game, and
the game is this. Who hates Rudy Gobert the most
of the four of us? I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I don't know if I necessarily hate the guy.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
I don't feel like the word I do hate.

Speaker 7 (02:35):
It's okay to hate because I hate this life. We
can't hate them guys.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
But yeah, I mean, I'm not someone who I'm above
hating people. I just don't hate Rudy. I do think
that the fraud allegations have some merit to them.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Let's let's put it that way.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Here's what I would say.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
What we've learned in the last few weeks in the
discourse is that if you're gonna say you hate someone,
you better be ready to fucking hate them with your
whole chest, and you better be ready to release like
seven different songs over the course of three weeks about
how much you hate them. And I'm just not ready
to sit in front of the congregation today and say
that I hate capital h hate Rudy Gobert, I jolly

(03:10):
dislike him. Yes, do I think that he is not
deserving of all of his deepoys?

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Also?

Speaker 7 (03:16):
Yes, do you.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Okay, that's a bigger indictment on him than actually hating him, Like, bro,
I'm you, don't you know, you don't strike anything in
me enough to hate you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You're just there and you're just.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Kind of annoying, and you know you're kind of frustrat me,
But you don't strike any any deep emotion at me.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like That's how I feel about Rude.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
It's like the Don Draper meme, like the like I
feel sorry about you, Like I.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Don't think about you at all, exactly that.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Rudy Gobert seventy two first place votes. Defensive Player of
the Year Victor Webbin Yama nineteen first place votes, BAM three,
Anthony Davis four, Rudy go Bear seventy two first place deputes.
Is it me or was your clearly trying to drink

(04:05):
his bone marrow on national TV.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
To trying actively drinking?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:11):
That in the mug Rudy Gobar bone broth in this bitch,
he was like, this is my lunch. Yeah, that was crazy,
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't say we do have to kind of shield
go bear something that's playing the world, Like, no, we don't.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
We've seen him get cooked in playoffs before every playoff
he gets exposed. And I don't really hate him either,
Like I don't. It's very it's it's really hard for
me to hate anybody in this world. But like, I
don't need a person that can't play basketball, who's in
the NBA before because of their height, to get rewarded
for that.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
That't far.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
I don't think I would say he can't play basketball,
like that's a step far even for me.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Someone who's like an avowed Rudy Gobert, he.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Can't play at all, like we're in the group chat
like you're you're you're drink. And he was efficient because
he knows enough to not like to not run off
his front, but he has turnovers where he like he's
got a six foot five defender on him and he
brings the ball down below his waist where you're like,
this is like first year ship.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Like and eleven tonight. I mean he was.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I don't take a second leading.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Scorer on the timber. I'm just like he I think
he there's two things that are true to me.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
One, I don't think anybody in the world can stop
Nikol Jokic when he wants to win a basketball game,
when he's like put all of his force and energy
into winning a basketball game. I think he's literally unbeatable.
Right now, I think they're going to repeat spoiler alert.
But I also think that Rudy Gobert would not be
my choice to guard him, Like he wouldn't even be
you know, top five probably choices.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
So those are both I mean, but you know, I
person like eighty is the best defended league and hell,
he once against a D two, Like you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
The dude is inevitable. He's unstoppable. And like I said, I.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Feel like we have to shoot Gobert a little bit
of bail here because I think that you can't stop Yokus.
You can only hope to slow him down, right, And
Gobert has not been slowing Yokis down this series at all,
Like you know, I mean, I think that's a valid
criticism here.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
But we've seen him win Defensive Player of the Year
and get cooked by not the MVP like every playoffs.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
It seems like he's proven to.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Be the weak link on the defensive end, and we've seen,
like we're talking about getting hard of you know, a
pick and rolls and it'll be on an island with
the guard and that's hard for a seven foot guy, right.
But we're seeing him get his you know, get cooked
at his home where he's supposed to be the most effective, get.

Speaker 7 (06:41):
Fucking smacked, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And I don't even I don't expect you to stop,
you know what I'm saying, the MVP, the best player
in the world, I don't expect that.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
But slow down. Somewhat he looked like food. They were
making fun of fun of him, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
On bro.

Speaker 7 (06:58):
He was like, dude, like, that's not and that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, bro, like for any player to lick their lips
when they see you in the paint, you, how are
you the defensive.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Player to year facts?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
That's what I'm saying. And then like can't get eight
to eleven to night.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
But like we see him on the offensive end, the
dude is like has no feel for the game. If
he was not seven, he needs every fucking inch to
be to be a basketball player. If he was fucking
six to eleven, he wouldn't be in the NBA, he'd
be overseas.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Like I think the biggest indictment on Rudy is like
he's consistently ranked in those player strapholes as the number
one most overrated player in the NBA, like year over year,
it just keeps happening. And I'm like, if anybody knows basketball,
it's NBA players, Like they know who, they respect them.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
They all feel that way.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
And they all feel that way like unanimously. And it's
not just I don't think it's xenophobia. I genuinely think
that these guys are like, you can't touch me, Like
I don't know if anybody in the league is scared
of Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
No, And I think the issue with it is like
you guys mentioned like we've seen him get cooked by
wings where they're looking for the switch and they know
he can't play out to the perimeter. But then we've
also seen that like a lot of the best centers
in the league play better when they play against him.
So what is the specialty is help side blocks because
of the wingspan? You know what I mean? Like, I

(08:18):
just don't understand and again you talk about Wemby had
like double every stat that he had. I know the
Spurs suck, but like what would they what would they
have done worse against thet I think.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Rudy is an exemplary regular season player. I think that
you can't really deny that in the regular season he
elevates his team's defense. He does, you know, get his numbers,
get his stats, what have you? On the defensive end,
I have yet to see a year where Rudy Gobert
puts any kind of fear in anyone past April period.
And if you're if I'm going to respect somebody on

(08:53):
like a you've won Defensive Player of the Year, you know,
among the highest echelon of players who have won that
number of that, or you have to scare me April
and beyond period. Like at a certain point, the jig
is up, you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, I think the voters have made it very clear
that they are just going to consider, as in Rudy's case,
for whatever reason, They're just going to consider Defensive Player
the Year regular season award. I mean, we saw that
man get cooked by fucking Reggie Jackson and Terrence Man Bro,
and he's won like two Defensive Player of the Year
since then.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know what I'm saying. We saw the Jazz get
their season ended by those two dudes.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Playing tech and tag on that guy just hunting for
the switch, and he still has one Defensive Player of
the Awards at that So I think people are voters
are for sure just like Bro, we're just going to
keep it a regular season, a war. Where do you
think there's merit to that? You know, that's a whole
other discussion, but I mean, it's it's it is a
very odd thing about how he just goes into the

(09:50):
postseason and he looks like food. And like you said, Claire,
he for sure elevates defenses during the regular season, but
it does not seem to translate in the postseason.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
But just as for Anthony Davis, because if we're talking
about the regular season, like to me, nobody has and
I've talked about this ad nauseum, so like, forgive me
for going off, but like, nobody has a heavier defensive
and offensive load on any given team every single night
than Anthony Davis.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
And because you.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Know, we're judging people on like Minnesota was the number
one defense Lakers are, you know, bottom of the league
and defense for the second half of the year. Like
the rest of the team is kind of dragging him
down in that sense. But like if you ask, like
you know, an NBA player, like who they'd rather get
into the post against Rudy Gobert or Anthony Davis, Like,
I don't think it's even an argument.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
That's a ninety five percent go bear. I feel like, right,
I mean, that's it. Like, do y'all get the sense
because it feels a little it feels a little like
jo Kids takes something about it personally. I don't know
if it's that he does not like Rudy Gobert personally.
I don't know if it's the because he's got the DPOY,

(10:58):
it's just how he's psyching himself up. But it looked
like he enjoys cooking Gobert more than he enjoys getting
a drop step around Nasriy, Like do you feel that?
Like it looks to me like he's really having fun
picking apart Rudy Gobert on national team.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I mean, I feel like we have it on record.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
There is footage of Jamal Murray telling that story when
when Jokic was cooking Go Beart and Go Bear got
a bucket of talk shit, and Nicholas said, my friend,
I have forty seven, right, like I think I don't
need you know, we talk about how we can't necessarily
hate Rudy. I don't see Nicola as a dude who
hates anyone, right, like you need to kill guy?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
He cares enough?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
He's a very job and I think he for sure,
you know, has a you know, get a load of
this fucking guy when he goes up against Rudy.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Really accurate, it's the get aload of this fucking guy.
It's not I hate you, it's like, can you believe
this guy I thinks he can guard me?

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Like I roll? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
I don't know if it's that he hates him or
like enjoys going up against him, or like has a
personal vendetta as much as he's just like path of
least resistance, Like this guy can't stop me, Sny can't
stop me.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
I'm gonna go out him every time.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Right that being said, let's talk about Jokic did something
tonight forty points I think it was was a forty
points tennis zero turnovers. Chris Paul is the only other
player to have done that in the playoffs, and he
did it one time. I took at the cup tonight too,
and I thought, we've seen some incredible games from Yokich.

(12:27):
I thought this was right up there as, if not
the best, among the very best, because you just felt
the walk down in the third quarter like a four
hundred meter race of like, Nope, we're gonna run it
through me. Every possession, I'm gonna score or it's gonna
be a layup or dunk open for a teammate every possession.
What can we say about this dude that we that

(12:49):
we haven't said Claire.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
I mean, I'm looking at his box score right now,
like fifteen for twenty two, sixty eight percent from the field.
I think it's the efficiency too, It's like the ease
with which he's doing it.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I mean, we've seen guys get it out the mud.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
We've seen Anthony Verwards get it out the mud in
this series, and he looked like a superhero, but he
also looked like he was exerting every ounce of energy
and willpower that he possibly had to do that like
and it like a Nikola Yokic forty point game. Looks
so different than a forty point game from really anybody
else in the league. He just makes it look so easy.
He makes it look so effortless. It's like another day

(13:24):
hit the office, you know, and he you can watch.
It's so fascinating. It's like, really, it's like some beautiful
mind shit. Like watching him pick apart the game. You know,
He's like it took him, you know, a game or two,
you know, took him two games, I guess against these Timberwolves.
Like I feel like the first game it wasn't really
him like picking them apart. It was more just like
they didn't really come ready. I feel like the Nuggets

(13:45):
phoned in the first five games with their postseason, or
I mean first six games of their postseason, and then
Game two, I think that they got sucker punched. And
then I think Joki is smart enough to be like, Okay,
I know we're not going to win this one because
we got punched in the face. So let me like observe,
let me learn, and let me like upload this to
my supercomputer brain for the rest of the series. But
it's been so fascinating to watch him just like figure

(14:07):
out exactly what it is they do and just pick
it apart with such.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Precision and efficacy.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
And to me, I was I compared him, I think
in a tweet to like watching a lion in a hunt.
It's like he's so calm and collected and he's just
watching his prey and like watching like how they want
to move and what they want to do, and then
he just pounces, like when you just when you think
you're comfy, when you think you're up to zero, you know,
like I doubted Denver in this series, the dumbest fucking

(14:34):
call I've ever made in my life. I thought Minnesota
was gonna win the series after going up to nothing.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
But I mean, I think he's world. Did you feel me?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like, yeah, yeah, we're all dumb for sure, We're all dumb.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Like why do we ever doubt this guy? This is
one of the I think he's going to go down
as you know, one of the greatest to ever play
the game. And like it's to me, it's the like
the watching his mind work is so fast to me
because he's really sort of just like hacked into the
mainframe of basketball in a way that's really fascinating to watch.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, incredible basketball mine, And going back to like what
you said, Like the first seven games of this postseason
for the Nuggets, it was like, hey, they.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Look pretty vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I don't know, man, but you know after seeing the
performance the last two games, Bro, they weren't vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
They were just bored.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now they're locked in, and now you know that back
to back is inevitable. It looks like to me, and
it's gonna be so wild to me because I do
think that they're going to end this and six. So
Minnesota is going to start their postseason winning sixth straight
and losing four straight to end it.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
That is wild, bro.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
But and so I know Claire has roots in Minnesota,
so I wanted to bring that up because we mentioned
that Minnesota, the whole state is haunted in sports on
the last podcast, and my friend who's from Minnesota texted me,
you put all the stats together. I didn't realize how
dramatic it was. In the last thirty three years, not
one trip to the finals in any of the four

(15:58):
major sports, even though they have all four major sports,
not one trip to the finals.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Except for the Links. Put some respect on the Links.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yes, yes, but of the of the of this of
the curse sports like whenever people do that. I always say,
if women's sports aren't cursed like.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
The men, they are letting down the people of Minnesota
for one.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Hundred, one hundred percent. But like and then on top
of that, there the whole state is crazy about hockey,
and their hockey team moved to Texas and won a championship,
which would be like a Texas football team winning the
Idaho and winning a championship. It's like, that's like, you're Minnesota,
You're the hockey team, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
I mean, the Wild had definitely been I think the
most successful of all the like men's major sports there,
so they still do have like a hockey team to
root for. But I mean, lord knows, the Vikings, the Twins,
and the Timberwolves have historically not been had a stellar
stellar record. I mean, like all you need, the only
fact you need to know about the Timberwolves is that
this is their first time getting to the second round
since Kevin Garnett was there. So I mean, like that's

(16:54):
abysmal as far as a track record goes. My thing is,
I do think I you know, I I think that
Minnesota fans should be really proud of this team. Still,
I do agree with you that I think Denver will
take care of business. I think this is going to
be over in six games personally, and that's coming from
someone who thought Minnesota was gonna win this series. But
I think just seeing this version of jokicen, the fact

(17:16):
that Jamal Murray looks like pretty much back to himself now,
I think is a game changer. But they should still
be really proud of, like having such an incredible regular season,
Like Anthony Edwards is twenty two, I think he's one
of the best leaders in sports, like in the NBA already,
Like he galvanizes his team unlike many other players in
the league. So you have an incredible leader who like

(17:38):
looks like the second coming of MJ on his best nights,
and he's twenty two years old.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
You have, you know, like I.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Think you have space to move Kat this summer if
that's what you're planning to do to get some more offense.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
And yeah, the future is bright.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
So I don't think they should hang their heads, but
I do think, like it does feel real Minnesota sports
to go up to nothing and then lose four games
in overall, what.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
It's timely for to win six straight and then lose four,
and I mean, it's just it's team.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Can we be honest, Can we be honest honest about Phoenix?
Like the beating themselves a little bit like that was
that was pretty That was hard to watch.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I thought they were slowing down Joker.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
That's why we thought they could win, right, because they
were giving Joker trouble at this point. You know what
I'm saying, We had never seen that before.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
He was beating up Joker.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
He shook, he looked panicked, and I've never seen him
look panic before. But that's the thing about his his
basketball brain is he's so even keeled. He can be like,
oh I got my ass whip and he's like, all right,
how do I never do that again? You know?

Speaker 5 (18:42):
So I think that's to me.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
I was like posting about this last night, like I
think the Denver Nuggets superpower and their Achilles Hill are
one and the same, which is that they do not
get rattled really and sometimes like getting rattled is sort
of what the moment calls for, Like sometimes you really
need somebody, you know, on that bench being like we're
not going to fucking go out like this, Like we're
not gonna let Minnesota whoop our ass, And I don't

(19:04):
know if they really have somebody like that.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
However, that even.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Keeledness and that innate calm is what enabled them to
go down two in that fashion and then come back
and win three three straight games. They never got they
never lost sense of who they were. They never got
fully like thrown off their axis. And that's I think
a credit to Jokic. Like I think that's just the
kind of guy he is, Like he's never gonna get
too high or too low in any circumstance.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think Michael Lohane's coaching his ass off too, man,
you know what I mean? That double team has aunt frustrated.
His body language today, yeah, was. I mean, I don't
know if I've seen Ant have that type of body
language and the playoffs definitely not, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
He was.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
He was completely you know, frustrated. That double team hasn't frustrated.
But yeah, and then like Joker reminds me of bron
and how involved he is in everything. Yes, on the offense,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like everything that was good,
like during like the run they had when they like
stretched out, everything was going through Joker. The last time
I've seen that was Lebron Jacks.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, you feel makes reads from there, everything goes through you.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Feel me, and so like, i'ven't seen that since Lebron,
So I mean he's I mean, he's just a special player.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
And he looked incredible tonight.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
But I mean, like I said, it's just weird seeing
defensive Player of the Year look like, you know, like
all this joking, you know what I mean, Rudy's on
me again, you feel.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, that's like I tweet it right before we hopped
on like that. You know, Jokic is in native to America,
so he's not up on all our customs. He didn't
know we give barbecue chicken Defensive Player of the Year
every year, Like that's he where he comes from. Defensive
Player of the Year probably goes to a guy who
plays defense and intimidates you or makes you makes it.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Harder, at least uncomfortable, and would at least make you
uncomfortable in some way.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
You feel me.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Claire mentioned that the supercomputer on jokicch and I love
that because I do feel like he's he's like one
of the like comic book villains who like can see
see you do something one time and just boo boop,
like straight into the brain. And there was a stretch
in the third quarter. I think Reggie Miller actually caught
it out where it almost felt intentional, like he was
doing the dream shake and then he was doing the skyhook,

(21:15):
and then he was getting a shack, you know, forty
foot long drop step around the bottom of naseria like
it he did. He went through such a succession of
moves on consecutive possessions, and he did tonight. What I
what to me is his signature offensive move, which is
to get the fuck out of here three pointer with
point five seconds left of the shot, climbing the soccer

(21:37):
throw is throw shot?

Speaker 7 (21:39):
Isn't that shit?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
To Anthony Davis and literally broke my brain that Like
it was just like, all right, fuck this, bro I tweet.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
About I tweeted about this tonight.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
But that shot looks like when they picked someone out
of the crowd at Staples Center to try and make
a half court shot for one hundred thousand dollars. Like
his form on that is just like Steve from section
two ten. But it goes in every time and I
never doubt it either. Like the second he goes like this,
I'm like, oh, that's cash, Like I don't. It's the
ugliest jump shot I've ever seen in my life. And

(22:09):
I'm never not even jump shot. It's the ugliest, like
just long range shocks. I don't even think he really
jumps on it, but like I never have a question
about I'm shocked when it doesn't go in. And a
few times in game two when he missed a couple
of those, I was like, what, I didn't even know
you could miss that.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
That's automatic.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
You can't block it because he's shooting it from behind
his head, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
It's unblockable.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I can't wait to go down to like the Park
this summer and just like that.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
All the trainers in Southern California, that's what they should be.
Give me a thousand dollars. I'll teach your son bullshit like.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Philip Seymour Hoffman and along King Polly.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, Rain, all right.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
What a special player though, What a fucking special seriously,
you know what I mean. Like, as much as I'm
rooting for the Timberwolves, you know, I just love Aunt.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
I wanted to see them, you know, pull it off.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
You just get caught up in the beauty of Joker,
you know what I mean, Like in the and like,
oh my god, this is unbelievable. You feel me like
I'm I was bombed watching because I was like, dam
I didn't wanthim to go out like this, you know,
going one hundred miles an hour, winning six in a
row and it ain't a brick wall and losing four
in a row is rough, you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (23:24):
But which is what we think is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But uh, I mean, yah, what he's doing is justh
I gave up.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I gave up tonight rooting it. I'm just rooting for
the Nuggets at this point. I'm just rooting for them
to embarrass the Celtics as like aggressively as possible. That's me.
That's the remains.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
They definitely will, oh, they definitely will, definitely will. The
thing I know is that Anthony Edwards is definitely gonna
win a championship at some point, and he's definitely gonna
win an MVP at some point.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
I feel so certain about that fact.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
I mean even ten years from now, he'll be thirty two,
you know what I'm saying, So like that shit is
gonna happen. And I I really do think it's an
important part of your villain origin story to run into
one of the greatest of all time at the absolute
peak of his powers. I think every great player has
had that happen to them.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
So Pistons, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Yeah, everyone has had that. So I think it's it's
going to be important to his development. And I have
no doubt that he's the kind of like basketball sicko
that's just going to use it as motivation. He's going
to get in the lab this summer and he's going
to come back even better, which is a terrifying idea,
like an even better Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
He's already so so good.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
But I think you made a great point that I
wanted to touch on with him again on leadership. Kat
played like a different guy this year with the Anthony origin.
I think he's had that effect on people who are
older than him. It's kind of insane that he's been
able to do that at twenty two years old. But
I think I think you're exactly right. Like this series,
you he sees the limitations of that you can turn

(24:55):
someone into the best version of themselves for X amount
of time, but you're going to run into an a
opponent where you can't turn them into a different person.
And that's what it feels like happened to me in
this series, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
No for sure, And I think to me, I've spoken
on this before, but I think the most impressive thing
about Anthony Edwards is his leadership. You know, I think
all the other stuff that he's obviously a freak athlete,
I think he's actually his basketball. Like we've watched it grow,
even in this postseason. I've watched it grow. He's an
incredible basketball player. But like you listen to him in
those postgame press conferences and the way his emotional intelligence

(25:31):
when he's like trying to bring the best out of
his team and his teammates, and like it's really it
would be amazing at any age really, and for a
twenty two year old, it's like mind boggling, honestly. So
so impressed with him.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So authentic.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
He's not the lead with cliches type dude. Like like
you mentioned in this post game, he had Cat right beside.
He's like, Cat, what I'll tell you? I stop, Falon,
Ain't that what I told you? Like, you know what
I'm saying, and it was like he was trying to
put a more spot of though under the bus. You
can tell that was a private conversation he had where
he was coaching them up and they would have having
you, you know, a laugh about it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So yeah, I'm very.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Much impressed with this leadership as well, because, like I said,
it's so genuine, and for him to be that genuine,
like I said, had that emotional intelligence at such a
young age.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
He was so smart in that same press conference too,
because on the one hand, he made sure to call
out Kat publicly about the fouling, but then he said,
because it's so important for you to be on the
floor because you're our best offensive player, so we need
you out there and they can't stop you when you're
out there. And like any of us who've worked with people,
forget in basketball anywhere, knows like that is brilliant to

(26:33):
like Couch that feedback with a compliment and with building
him up in that way so that you don't you
make sure he doesn't lose that confidence, and to have
that emotional intelligence at twenty two is just like incredible.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I didn't know about the compliment Sandwich when I was
twenty two years old, you know what I mean. I mean,
if you could do this and then hey, because we
need you to you know, yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Isn't really offensive player, Like that's not even true, dude,
I mean you.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Got yeah, yeah, it was a little bit of a lie.
But he but it sound very believable. So even if
he's not telling the truth, it.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Sounds did.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
And believe that when he heard it, oh for so
absolutely believed it.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Yeah, I mean, and he knows his personnel, like he
knows who he's working with, Like you know, he was
like when Denver one Game three, you know, Ant was
on the sidelines being like it's a series, guys, it's
a series. Like we're good, We're good. I'm not worried.
Like you know, he wasn't melting down. He wasn't sitting
there with his head in his hands like shaking his head,
you know, like his body language was still like super
on point. And I just like, to me, you know,

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athleticism aside, like basketball, I Q aside, like the sky's
the limit for a kid that age with those leadership qualities,
Like I really think that the sky is the roof
for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
The sky was not the limit for the Indiana Pacers tonight.
I think we were all hoping for a much better
game than what we got that Nick won by thirty points. Uh,
it was too too Game five of person that you know,
team that wins, that is usually winning the series. I
feel like every time I looked at my group chat,
it was just a bunch of people screaming, why is
Tyrese Halibert not understanding what moment this game is in

(28:14):
his career. Took nine shots tonight, five of nine for
thirteen points in a must win Game five on the road.
Jalen Brunson not his most efficient scoring night, but clearly
understood the moment. Took thirty five shots to score forty
four points.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
How disappointing was this guy? I really was hoping for
a lot more from the running gun Pacers and the
pace that they've played with than to put up this
kind of a performance.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Well, I'm personally just so in love with this next
team that it's really coloring my analysis of the series
because I've just fallen, like head over heels in love
with this team. I don't know how you couldn't unless
you're already a Pacers fan, like they're everything that's good
about basketball. They play so hard, they play for each other.
They're like such a team, you know what I mean,
Like the obviously Jayleen Brunson is transit, but it's really

(29:00):
not even just about his transcendence, Like there's such a
team and they play for each other, and they do
all the little stuff and like the dirty work. They're
diving on the ground for loose balls, like they're so
New York too, Like it's just, oh, it's beautiful. Knicks
fans deserve this, Like we were talking about how tortured
Timberwolves fans are, like Knicks fans are right there as
far as like not having a whole lot to cheer
for in the last couple decades. So I'm really happy

(29:23):
for them, and I do think, yeah, part of it
is the Pacers did not rise to the moment, and
Tyre's Halliburton doesn't seem like he understands that, like he
needs to be aggressive for them to be good, period,
Like that's that's the formula. Yeah, But then I also
think the Knicks just like we knew they weren't going
to go out like that, like they weren't going to
get embarrassed, like that and come back and not put
on like an incredible performance.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
So that was my take home for sure.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, they're such a tough team, Like I feel like
they're Obituary's written like three or four times this postseason already,
and they come back and just fight and claw and
scratch the next game and get a win every freaking time.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
And it's just like, you know, like you said that,
they're just so New York.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
They're just so tough, they're so gretty, They're they're like
like I've seen next fans saying this is their favorite
next team that they've seen, and they're like wow, And
I completely understand.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Because they embody so much of what Knicks basketball is.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
They're pretty, they're tough, they're fearless, like you know Dante
and you know Dante Miles Turner about to go out
of Dante wasn't scared of at all, Like Bro says,
he was confused, like really.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
They're so fearless.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
He called the man a bitch and he's a foot
tall than him. It was like, like you know what
I'm saying, Like it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But for so for ty Ree is interesting though, because
we had like had taken two shots like in the
middle of the closet at the end of the.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Second, like you were going to throw your phone. He's
taking shots.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
I've been talking about this all series.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
You know what I mean, Like when when ty Reese
is I mean, they can't They're at their best when
ty Reese is aggressive, period.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
You know, I mean they got out work tonight. They
got out work tonight, period. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think like, like, uh, there was what's what's the
big man? Hart and Son Hard Thi Hertenstein had had
more offensive rebounds and they had rebounds at one point
in the game. You feel what I'm saying, Like they
just got they got they got out work tonight.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
But like Tyree's at minimum you have to be aggressive
for them to win.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
They have no chances.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
He's not aggressive, and so it's just odd to see
a player have, like as good as he is to
be so passive in a moment like this.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
You just you mentioned the rebounding stat We've talked a
lot about how demoralizing it is to have that offensive
rebound margin. The Nicks.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
You have eleven offensive rebounds.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
The Knicks to night had Yeah, he had twelve. The
Knicks to Night had twenty, Hartenstein had twelve. They had
twenty offensive rebounds to twenty nine total rebounds by the Pacers.
That's funny.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
You're not gonna win a game that way, especially not
Massive Square Garden. I thought it was similar. Actually it
was like a similar sort of young person in learning
curve moment. The way the Pacers responded to that blowout
game and how they came out in the next game,
and the timberwol same thing after game two, how they
came out in game three. Like I think that there
is something to like not having been there before, like

(32:14):
that youth and inexperience to thinking like shit, sweet after
you blow a team out and embarrass them and then
you come back the next game and like you forget
that these are not only NBA players, but NBA players
in the second round of the playoffs. Like you're not
gonna cakewalk anywhere in the playoffs, Like you have to.
It's zero zero every single game. That's the only way
you can approach it.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Jackson just texted me there's a quote from Dante DiVincenzo
after the game. They're trying to be tough guys. That's
not their identity.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
I believe Bro.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I know Dante is a foot shorter and turner, but
Dante seemed more believable in that situation, you know what
I mean, I also gonna turner like you really a
you know, like it seemed like a hold me backshit.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
And I'm not saying any I don't notice.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Man.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know, he might be like that you feeling, but
the energy I was getting it made it made sense
for him to say that, you know what I mean,
in that altercation. But if you were talking about them
like feeling like shits sweet, I kind of feel like
that Timberwolves did the same thing. But timber Wolves the
first two games out work, you know what I'm saying.
The Nuggets point blank.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
You feel me.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
They were I mean, they were to national defense.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
They put so much pressure you know what I'm saying
on offense and then they got comfortable.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well versus yeah, versus. You listen to what Kid said
after the game tonight, And one of the unfortunate things
about sports is that like the like coach speak is true, right,
like and jo Kic after the game, they're like, oh,
you know, you guys played with desperation and he cut
the interview. He was like, we're still desperate. Our back
is still against the wall where they get like and

(33:49):
and it's not alone Michael. He's not bullshitting you.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Know, no, no, no, But I think he doesn't like
people call him.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Mic right because he embarrassed Cassidy Hubbers on TV. I
think it was in the bubble. She was like, yeah,
like coach Mike Malone. He's like, it's Michael. And I'm like,
you could have done that off TV. You didn't need
to do that, you.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Could have done off TV. And also we had a
lot of fun with him at that point, clear because
it's like, who wants to be a Michael like? And
I it's like I've never known and I actually he
seems like obviously a great coach, he seems like a
good dude, but like, I've never known a person in
real life who wanted to be called by Michael who
is not an just an enormous asshole. Yeah, but yeah,

(34:32):
I don't know. I think that's like you can see
Jokic really believes that he's not just saying it because
he heard his coach say, he knows it. He's really
saying no, no, no, no, they woke us up. We were
down oh two, and we're not gonna feel like we're
not desperate until halfway through the parade. Like that's just
where they're going to be coming from. And you know
that there's a genuine power to that. And I agree

(34:54):
with you. It feels like the Knicks are very tapped
into that right now. And I hope they get it done.
I hope they can give this self the series. But
you know, the Celtics limp right into the fucking thresher.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
That is the nugget.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
That's fine with me too.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, I mean, I honestly think the Knicks would have
I think the Knicks would be in the finals this
year if they had og and Obi and Mitchell Robinson. Like,
I don't have any faith in the Celtics team. I've
been banging that, like seeing that from the rooftops all
year long. I think that they you know, when when
things are going well, when they're front running, when they
get off lead, they play incredible and they look unstoppable.

(35:29):
At the first sign of adversity, they completely abandoned everything
that makes them good. They play dumb iso ball. I
was telling some friends tonight. Like to me, the Celtics
look like the absolute best guys at the y playing
pick up, like they're all really good, really good. Sorry,
I like them so disgusted by them that I.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Like you threw up in your mouth a little talking
about the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Office made you gag.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Truly, No, I'm gonna just start doing that when we're
talking about the Celtics. I'm gonna I love that. That
was awesome.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
But they they really do just look like a bunch
of very talented guys playing together versus like the Knicks,
like I said, are like a capital T team, And
I really think the Knicks could have taken them at
full strength even with Krisaps if Kris Sabs was there.
I would take the Knicks fully healthy in a seven
game series against the Celtics, fully healthy. Not because of talent,
because obviously the Celtics are the more talented team in
that case, but just because, like when the going gets tough,

(36:28):
when the other team is like the grittier, tougher team,
the Celtics have shown time and time again that they
will abandon what works.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
So I don't trust him.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
I think May had him like I think when e
was coaching.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
He gave him that grittiness, you know what I mean, Like,
I think he like Jason Tatum.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
You know he's like, yo, bro, like funk all that
cute shit.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Jason Tatum was the biggest loser of E May being
a freaky frog. You know what I'm saying, Like Jason Tatum,
what's the what's the biggest loser?

Speaker 7 (37:00):
For sure, I'm just saying like I'm just saying, bro.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like I mean, a man, a man was moving real real,
real nasty, you know what I mean, were real nasty.

Speaker 7 (37:11):
But anyway, Yeah, I think Jason because.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Losing Jason Tatum's whole legacy, Bro, I mean he might
they might have had a dynasty at this point, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Like if Jason Tatum like was playing tough like and
big moments, you know, that'd be that'd be crazy. So
but yeah, man, but yeah, I agree with they're just
when when when the ship you know, when the ship
gets hot, bro, they just they just crumble.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
We have got to talk about because I know all
four of us are painfully invested in the Lakers coaching search,
which officially hit today.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Coach K.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, so coach K is on as a consultant.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Did he coach again? Sorry I can't remember. I don't
want to refresh my memory.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
There he coached Sam Cassell? I think? Didn't he coach
Sam Cassell? Claire? I think was it you who tweeted
out the video of Broun's hypothetical So yes that this
is so funny? Claire tweeted out on their podcast Bron
asking JJ Reddick hypothetically like when you're coaching your kids,

(38:28):
do you like more threes or do you like I mean,
but he even was doing his fucking bron face of like, yeah,
I'm so cute, Like this is gonna be so funny
when you end up being the head coach of the
Lakers in two months.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
And there was between coaching your kids, like hypothetically, when
you're coaching your kids, teach your kids, And then JJ
just started like hysterically laughing because it was the most unsubtle. Yeah,
that was awesome. I love their podcast for the record,
but it's really good.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Are you excited to watch eighty two games of it
next year? Well?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
I mean I end up covering like so I'm technically
a national writer, but I end up covering like a
lot of Lakers, just because like I live in LA
right and so I will be I'm sure attending you know,
forty something JJ Reddick postgame press conferences next year. I
think I'm of of the available coaches. Honestly, I think

(39:24):
it's the best choice. I really do, like, without a
shred of irony, I don't I don't think. I don't
think you need like a super experienced coach in this role.
I think you need a guy that these guys respect
and that they're going to listen to, and that has
a good basketball mind. And also the most important thing,
which I do think he's smart enough and self aware
enough to know, is like when to reverse course, when

(39:47):
to humble yourself, and.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
You know, take advice.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
And if he has a great supporting coaching staff around
him and he's willing to listen to like what the
players think, Like I do think that's you have one
of the greatest basketball minds in all time and Lebron
James like on your team. I don't think you need
to be like Spoe to be a competent coach for
this team. I think you need to be able to
make in game adjustments. I think you need to be

(40:11):
able to detect who your best five players are more,
pay them, play them more than the other players who
aren't as good and aren't making as much money. And
I think you need to understand your personnel and understand like,
you know, I think Darvin had a coaching philosophy that
was he was very you know, it was very committed to,
and I don't think he had the personnel that match

(40:31):
that philosophy, and instead of adjusting to his personnel, he
tried to adjust the personnel to the philosophy. Like I
think he's just about guards who can run fast. I
think that's what he wants to see on the court,
and that's what he believes in. And the Lakers strength
was always the bigger that those lineups were, the better
they were.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
So I.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Think with Bron, he wants a coach who is on
the same page with him. He doesn't want to coach
to lead him or to teach him. He wants a
coach who sees the game the same way he does.
And I think came in JJC the game the same
way and he knows that, you know, because we remember
that moment where it was after a Lakers lost the
season and Bron, you know, was about to answer question,
but he said no, no, I'm gonna stop myself right

(41:12):
there because he knew the answer. He knew what should
have been done in that game, right. But Darvin Hanf
for whatever reason, was not on the same page with him.
So Bron isn't looking for someone out there to give
him guy and sort of be a teacher. He's looking
for someone to be on the same page. And I
think him and JJ are for showing the same page.
And I think jj'ss guy. And I've said that ever
since the dots started connecting on why he started.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
That podcast with him?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, that whole podcast has just been one big piece
of campaign material.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Bro, Yes, brilliantly.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Jason Gallagher the best campaign manager out there. Galler Gallagher
for the successful campaign managing of the JJ Reddick twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
I'm the president of the Jason Gallagher Fan Club.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I think I think Jackson's the vice president. We all
love Jason for sure. It's just funny. It's like it's
genuinely such a great podcast. But it does increase, like yeah,
like the QVC, like did you like this podcast called
one eight hundred JJ Reddick to order him as your coach? Tonight, Like,
oh my god.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
The other one I think is an important I just
want to say real quick while we're still on the
Lakers coaching topic, Like the other thing I think is
really important for a coach of specifically the Lakers and
also just a Lebron James team in general. To be
that Darvinham was not is like willing to fall on
the sword, even if it's not even if you don't
actually believe it's your fault, Like you have to be
willing to take some accountability. It's just the nature of

(42:34):
the job, especially especially the Lakers. Honestly, with anyone on it,
without Lebron, it's such a high profile franchise, and Darvin
was always so reticent to accept any responsibility and it
was always like deflecting blame and like oh we just
when we get whole, or like oh we need to
play with more energy, or oh just tip your cap
to the other team.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
They're just better tonight, you know.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
And so I think JJ's media savvy, he's smart, he
knows how to work a press conference, and I think
that's a really important, like understand quality of Lakers head coach.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
I think Darvin always knew his head was on a
chopping block.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Though, you know what I mean, Well, he was over
I think he was in over his head and he.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Was always was trying to project really could do though,
By the way, I just feel like I should say
that as I'm like sitting on h rightly, huge.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Fan of him as a prayer We said that, we
said that when we did our celebration balloons Dropping podcast
that he got fired. It was like, I think he's
a great guy. His life story is unbelievable. Yeah, A
big fan of him as a person. It just has
nothing to do with being the head coach of the
Lakers with a due respect, right, So.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
How do you feel about JJ Mike, how do you feel?
I know we've been talking about we want to frame.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, so I wanted jj Reddick, as we all discussed,
would not have been that experiment, would not be how
I would want the next couple of years ago. I
don't I'm personally I would be very happy if they
hired Sam Kassel jj Reddick. I think to Claire's point,
I don't disagree that he would not necessarily be the

(43:56):
best option number one. First off, he keeps Lebron and
he keeps Lebron happy. There. They're all in on that
at this point, right, there's no version of this team
that I'm excited to watch next year. That's just not
it's just not the way things currently look. That being said,
this is the story of the Lakers in the last
couple of decades is they get up to the plate,

(44:16):
they do not watch strikes. They swing as hard as
they can and they are gonna hit a home run
or they are gonna strike out and miss the ball
by two feet in one direction or another. Steve Nash
and Dwight Howard obviously bringing in bron ad is great
the baby Lakers with the Braby, but then you bring
in Russell Westbrook, big strikeout, you know you you go, Okay,

(44:39):
we're gonna give this guy. I mean, think about really
how crazy it is to give Darvin Ham his first
shot at being an NBA head coach, potentially with potentially
the end of Lebron James's career, Like you know what
I mean, Like that, really that's a big swing and
it didn't work out. He was not necessarily like in
the position or ready for that job. So jj Reddick,

(45:02):
he could be pat Riley, I mean, like that's the
best case scenario, or he could be another guy where
it's a second time in a row you try to
give someone their first head coaching job with liberty the
tail end of Lebron James's career. I'm at this point,
I'm sort of resigned to that until the Lakers become
owned by the Guggenheim group that owns the Dodgers and

(45:22):
everything else in LA, that runs everything off of an
AI model that's correct about everything. This is what the
Lakers are. It's gonna be big swings and fuck it
like it'll be interesting, is never boring.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
What I've heard.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
What I've heard that is heartening is that they're willing
to when they entered this coaching search, they were willing
to pay whatever for like the best candidate possible. And
that was really heartening to me because obviously, I think
the Russ move was the worst mistake they've made, and
I mean it was one of the worst NBA like
front office mistakes ever honestly, like historically. But I think
the second worst mistake they've made in Lebron's tenure was

(45:58):
not was like, uh, giving Tyler an offensively low offer
like low Tyler and making him and and because honestly,
Like I really believe in my heart of hearts that
if Tyler had been the Lakers coach this whole time,
they would have multiple championships, Like I really, I think

(46:18):
that's kind of just objective fact, honestly.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
And you wouldn't have let them get rid of KCP.
He would have like he would have grabbed himself around
kcp's leg and been like no, so.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Many things wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
And also he wouldn't have lost the locker room.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
That was because that was Frank Vogel's biggest downfall is
that he lost locker room. Same thing obviously happened in Phoenix.
It's not that Frank Vogel is not an excellent NBA
head coach, but the problem is, like managing egos and
managing superstars is a huge part of coaching beside like
x's and O's aside, and he lost that locker room,
and I like, just knowing TYLERU, he would not like,
that's not Tyler's bag, Like if he's going to do anything,

(46:55):
he's going to have these guys respect. So that to
me is like shaking fist at Sky the Lakers for
not paying that man, because I don't think that they're
going to lure him away from the Clippers. I think
Steve Balmer is gonna throw whatever bag he needs to
at him to keep him.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
We made him an extra couple million dollars with the Clippers.
I feel like that's what we.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Did basically, and he deserves every penny's.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Wait, well, yeah, you're you're, you're you're tapping into a
lot of well worn storylines on this podcast. Okay, a
couple of non basketball things to talk about. Did you
guys see this portal that they opened from New York
to Dublin.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Why did they do that?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
We want immediately they opened they opened this it's like
a big circular screen with a live camera in I
don't know if it was Times Square somewhere else, like
you know, dense in a densely populated part of New York,
and it was just on a live camera to Dublin.
So people in Ireland and people in New York could

(47:54):
go and like someone in Dublin put up a picture
on their phone and held it up to the camera.
Nine to eleven, someone in New York flashed the woman
flashed her chest at the people in Dublin I think
it made it like sixteen hours before they shut it down,
and we're like human beings.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
The woman who in New York who flashed her chest
asked them, how do you like these potatoes?

Speaker 8 (48:17):
I am not making that up. That is exactly what
she said. There's footy you can check for yourself. Ever,
I respect, I respect people.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Who trust human beings enough to put something up like this.
I just don't understand them.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
I just how are you a New Yorker who trusts
human beings?

Speaker 4 (48:36):
That?

Speaker 5 (48:37):
That's what I don't understand. How have you lived in
New York City?

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Like you have to keep your head on a swivel
at all times in New York like nobody trusts anybody there.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
I don't know they revealed the purpose? Have they revealed
the purpose of this? It was just like a fun
little experiment. Let's just see what happens time show.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
That's what they said when they made Jurassic Park.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
So it kind of was a sick Parks, yeah situation. Okay.
The last thing was, did y'all see the graduation speech
that Harrison Butker gave the Chiefs the chiefs punter.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Of it?

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Okay, I think I saw like a little snippet that
did y'all drop that in the group to was y'all
or that another one?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
I think? So Harrison Bucker went into his barber first
of all and said, give me the most obnoxious ship
on the on the fucking charts at the moment. But yeah,
one hundred percent. But it's like you can see what
he was seeing in his head of like, this is

(49:44):
the day I launched my eventual presidential candidacy by going
on stage and talking about how women should not have
careers and how men have been lied to about masculinity
being toxic. What's was this, Bennett dick Kine College? I
do believe that? Okay, yeah, I don't know, Tyler. What

(50:07):
was your reaction to Harrison Bucker's graduation speech?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
First thing I saw? I thought, when I saw this, buddy,
we are about to do some kicker shaming. Like that
was my very first thought, and that has been the
direct point of attack that everyone's coming with. Like I
saw someone say, we're having a kicker preach to us
about what the peak of.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Masculinity is, and like, I think that's all that needs
to be said here. Yeah, man, like you're a kicker,
That's it.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
You're like the You're like the pansiest like football player
that there are.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Like your coworkers don't even respect you, Bro.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
No NFL players feel about kickers the way NBA players
feel about Rudy Gobert. That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
That's that's fact. Even the good ones.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Iran Meyer, old ass was abusing a kicker, like they
said he would just run up to the kicker and
just kick him in his shins, like sixty year old
Urban Meyer thought you was some need to just steal
off all.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
You're literally you're playing like the most violent high contact
sport on Earth, and you're the only player who is
guaranteed that no one can lay a finger on you.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Like that's soft as ship.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I mean, not allowed to touch him. You can't do
it anyway. I had to make fun of Harrison Butker
also a bad name. It looks like a type of Butler.
Every time I see it, I think someone missed type
of butler.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yeah, I hope he gets waved for saying that stuff.
He probably won't because you know football, but I he
shouldn't be allowed to because he that was I mean,
he said so many incredibly out of pocket things that
I won't repeat. But yeah, in any like respectable job
in America, forget like sports, just anywhere like publicly saying

(51:48):
on the record all the stuff he said today should
get you fired.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
So with this face, God, yes, you've been lied to.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
He took like three yaig bombs then not on stage,
just said the dumbest stuff that anyone's ever said.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
He wrote it out too, that.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
You're gonna be discussed disgusted for sure. I gotta see
that face just imitated it, just had.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
They just it's every time these guys do this fucking
like alpha male ship, it's they just have this face
like you can see that they're picturing what they look
like on TV, you know what I mean. That's like
I said, like whether it's he wants to be president
or he wants to be Joe Rogan or whatever, it's
just like you can see him like this is my moment.
I'm gonna tell the truth. That's so true. It cracks

(52:43):
the world in half. That's what you're saying, stupid ship.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
What were people in the crowd saying?

Speaker 5 (52:49):
What were they like stunned silence? I think mostly oh
really it was yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
He a kicker there at the school or something like,
why did they invite this? He seems like an idiot.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
I'm looking at I'm doing some I'm doing some Benedictine
College googling.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Also, this is a side note, but why you know
what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Those guys always look like so proud of themselves and
like he got the dumbest haircut and he could tally
felt really good about it. Am my tripping are only
always sun burnt too. I feel like those guys just
always are like just like a little red and like
they're just like they look flushed, but in a way
that's like they decided not to wear SPF the day before.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really that deer antler in
their veins. I know what I'm saying that Joe Rogan
told them to buy.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
You feel me got the like the sixteen year old
Golden Retriever face, you know when they get old, like
they get a little pale around as and shit, that's.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
What they'd be looking like.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Yeah, Jackson just told us what. It's a small school
in Kansas.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
Yeah, it's possible to some people.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, I don't think it was. I don't think it
was poorly received by Benedictine college. But uh, and I'm
looking at their oh, I'm looking at their logo. They
put a cross in the letter B.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
That was branding.

Speaker 7 (54:02):
I kind of feel like they might have loved it.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
You know, we get we could get a real froggy
on Kansas right now. This is a city called Atkinson, Kansas,
population ten eighty five. So here here's so here's what
they felt. They felt does not register as a statistically
significant emotion. That's what they felt.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
What was that thing from succession like no real person
involved or whatever?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, that's a
student's two thought. Hold on, there's two thousand students and
they're calling this a college. Bro, that's half as many
people as went to my high school. Dog Vinnie is
going to a middle school with eighteen hundred kids next year.
There's two thousand people at this college. God damn it.
I feel like now I feel like we got caught

(54:53):
by the engagement farming. You know what I mean. We
are talking right now to more people, like more people
listening to us, say this, then go to that college.
Give us a thirty seven million dollars in down moon,
God damn it. All right, Okay, that's all the time
we got Claire. Thank you so much to Claire to
Loom for hopping on with us again. Tiny desk lippetite

(55:16):
di morte, Is that right? Yeah? Okay, all on all streaming, sir,
I don't know how to do French, but on all
streaming services. You can also find her at Claire mpls
on Twitter, where she is trapped with the rest of
the Lunatics, including the three hosts of this show. But Claire,
thank you so much for hopping out with us. That
was awesome.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Thanks for having me this much fun.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
All right, y'all, we will be back at a date
that we are going to discuss right after we get off,
and we will see all that. Bye bye

Speaker 7 (55:50):
The Volume