Meet Pastor John Dunn of Legacy Church in Visalia

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be a really fun show. Today. We have Pastor John Dunn from the

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South Valley Legacy Church. I thinkwhat's happening and what's what what America is
morphed into is not what our familyfathers, fathers wanted, so and we're
going to discuss that. I thinkyou're right, Jody, Good morning,
guys. My take on it issimple and it's also complex. But you
have to remember, Jody, we'vebeen dumbed down as a people systematically,

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haven't we? Yes, we have, and most people lack the ability to
do any critical thinking. And nowI think blind obedience is the new intelligence
and it seems to rule the day. What do you think? Yeah,
you know, I was in aservice with at Legacy a few weeks ago
and Pastor John had some some politiciansin there and they were talking up on

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stage and and just kind of andthey we're kind of saying, how you
know, we need God back intoa lot of things. And you know,
when I heard Pastor John give asermon after they spoke, it really
hit me. It really really gotme. And I went up to him
and I asked him, you know, hey, would you come on my

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show and kind of expand that.And he was more willing to do that,
and I appreciate it, you know. And right now we're going to
bring you on, Pastor John.How are you. I'm doing very well?
Thank you for having me. Good. So you've heard us talk about
all this, you know, andI heard your take on it, So
let's expand on it. Okay,Well, we all know that the bill

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of right starts with the First Amendment, and that it's what's called the establishment
costs. There's free speech, butthen there's also the establishment that the government
or Congress shall make no shall notestablish a religion, which actually means that
they shall not choose a denomination ora certain religion that would have control over
the government. They're not saying thatthey didn't want any Christians or any religious

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people in government to affect government bytheir faith, because all of them,
the founding fathers, they were almostall believers. They're almost all Christians,
and a lot of them had seminarydegrees, and it was obvious that they
used scripture and the word of Godto infiltrate the whole government with all the

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laws and the separation of powers andall that. So they weren't saying that
we don't want any people of faithin here, but they were saying that
one denomination of one sect was notgoing to control the whole government. So
you don't have to worry about that. And so the separation of church and
state, all that's become mainstream andthat phrase and whatnot, that is actually
not in the Constitution or the Declarationof Independence. It actually comes from a

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letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to theBaptist church in Danbury, Connecticut. And
basically he's saying, Hey, youguys don't need to worry. This is
a one way wall. The governmentwill not come and tell you what to
do as a church. He wasnot saying that you as a church should
not be involved in government. He'ssaying the government is not going to come
affect you or tell you what todo as a church. And I think

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that's super important because it's been twistedby it's really evil what's going on now.
And you know, with good peoplelike you and some of these candidates,
this trying to get into office rightnow. And let's be frank,
a lot of them that's in officeare believers. You know that they believe

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in God, They believe in inyou know, the morality of God.
Yeah, I got a question foryou, pastor. I see a faith.
My faith is my belief structure.Basically a religion or a faith is
the hallmarks of it are basically abelief structure. And I believe that we've

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supplanted Christianity with other de facto religions, one of them secular humanism. I
believe is a religion because it's abelief structure not steeped in science, but
steeped in people just basically believing init. Climate change another religion, not
backed up by any measure of science, but a consensus of opinion. And

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what the gaggle of intellectuals tells us, gender politics definitely a new religion.
And I believe we've been we're nowforced to worship. We've seen the Inquisition
and we speak of it at ill. We've also seen the First Amendment,
which was because we wanted to havefreedom of religion, not from religion.

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But it seems as though today weare once again coming full circle and forced
to swallow their new religion whole clothand not question it. What do you
think? I mean? I totallyagree when you take God out, when
you take God out of the schools, when you take God out of politics
and culture in general, and saynope, you can't talk about God,

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which is it's actually only towards theGod of Christians or the God of the
Jews. Because my mother in lawwas to me the story the other day.
She used to work in a publicschool in Federal Ay, Washington,
and we know that whole area inSeattle, Tacoma. It's it's super liberal,
and uh, you can't pray aChristian prayer in there. But they
had Muslims all all the time.They came in there and they would interrupt

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whatever meeting was going on. Ifthe time came, they would go out
in the hallway and they would puttheir mats down and they pray toward Mecca,
you know. And that's totally fine. So it's it's a it's a
it's a double standard. It's it'sit's a one way thing where it's just
Christians. And and this has beengoing on for centuries with the Jews.
I mean, the Jews have beenpersecuted. And now because we believe in

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Jesus, we believe in in theOne God, yeah, of Abraham.
Uh, were Christians are starting tobe in America at least are starting to
be persecuted, I mean Christians,Christian nationalists. Did you hear that?
Yeah? I mean that's just that'sjust a term that that you like to
throw out, that which equals racism, am I right? I don't know

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if it's racism, it's just it'sreligion persecution, right, right. And
so when you take God out,then everyone gets to do what they want
to do, and we can definewords the way we want to define them,
you know, like like the wordinsurrection right right, you know that
it's ridiculous the January sixth night hasan insurrection. I mean, if that

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was the insurrection that the Founding Fathersdid against Britain, we still be drinking
drinking tea and cookies. Right.It was none of the burning down of
cities, you know, just afew months before that, you know what
I mean, it wasn't nothing ofthat. You know, that wasn't breaking
down America. That was no insurrectionthat. There's just nothing to see there,
right. Or take the word marriage, I mean when was that.

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In twenty fourteen the Supreme Court ruledthat anybody, anybody could get married.
And so now what you have isthe slippery slope. When God is the
one who defined marriage, and wehave marriage defined in the Bible, a
man shall leave his father and motherand cling to his wife. It's it's
a man and woman. It's oneman and one woman. And now it
can be a man and a man, a woman and a woman, or

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a man and two women. Imean, it's going down the hill to
where it's going to be a dogand a man, and a dog and
a woman. I mean, anybodycan get married, and so the word
loses its value, it loses itsdefinition. It's happening. I saw last
week with the Transgender Visibility Day superimposedupon Easter, and we talk about things

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losing meaning, and I totally getit. But I question theologically, do
you think that they defiled Easter ordo you think they simply defiled themselves in
the presence of Easter, because Ithink Easter is inviolate. Yeah, I
mean, obviously you have across theworld over two billion people gathering. I

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mean, this is a lot ofpeople gathering for Easter, celebrating the resurrection
of Jesus. So you're not goingto defile Easter. Nobody in the rest
of the world cared, right,you know, It's just it's just a
sitting president's decides to do. It'sI think embras himself. Well he did,
and it's just an attack. Werealized, Okay, now, this
is a spiritual war. This isnot this is not nothing to do with

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transgenders. It's just promoting an ideology, promoting it's really an anti christ spirit
that is that's sitting in the WhiteHouse saying whatever he wants to say to
disparage Christians. It's it's really,you know, an attack on Christians,
so you know, and and hemade it on specific day. So so
and Easter is on a different dayevery year because of the equinox, you

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know, that passover and everything.So you know, it just made him
look stupid, you know. AndI'm not convinced he picked he picked that
day. They picked that day onpurpose, you know, and we all
know that. But I agree withyou, pastor John. Uh, It's
it's where we're at today. It'sit's more of a I want to say

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this, right, it's more ofideology and and it is is almost a
religion that they're trying to push oneverybody. And Christians has been prosecuted,
prosecuted for forever, I mean sincethe dawn of time. And we all
know that. And it's what makeseveryone think it's going to change. It's

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not going to change. But Christianshas always fought, They fought for the
right things, and it's not goingto stop now just because they're trying to
push their ideology on us and theAmerican people. That's what America was built
on, right, I mean,you're you're totally right, and we have,

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as Christians in this country have escapedpersecution for the last couple of hundred
years because of the way a countrywas founded, because of freedom of religion,
because it was founded on the Wordof God and scripture was infused.
And they want the persecution of Americanpeople. They wanted all the American people
to worship the Lord and not bepersecuted. Yeah, I think the Founding

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fathers would roll over their grave ifthey knew the freedom of religion had been
taken this far to say anything andeverything goes. I think they that would
that would really offend them. Butthey were actually coming to America. I
mean, the reason we had coloniesand all the things was to escape religious
persecution back in England. They knewwhat they were doing when they were writing.

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They sure did. They sure did. And so it's not like to
concur with what you're saying. Persecutionfor Christians is not a foreign thing.
I think the foreign thing for believersis the last two hundred years here in
America where we haven't been persecuted becauseof the structure that was put in place
by very bye by I believe spiritinspired Founding Fathers of putting this government in

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place. So, but when youthe further you get away from God,
the more you're going to what you'recalling secular humanism, it's really worship at
the altar of me. Absolutely,that's what it is. It's it's do
whatever I want to do. TheBook of Judges talked about it, and
you get to play God, andnow you can disrupt the natural order of
things and we blindly obey. Hey, Pastor John, can we pick up
on that when we come back frombreak because I would like to discuss a

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Talk ninety six seven and AM fourteenhundred. Hey, welcome back, h
On, go ahead and pick upwhere you left off. And that was
some good stuff. Well, wellwe talked about I mentioned the Book of
Judges and that once you take Godout and you start living for yourself,
and that we're worshiping the altar ofourselves or secular humanism because we don't want

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anybody telling us what to do,which is where the ancient Jews, the
Israelites found themselves time and time again. You have seven or eight different cycles
of this in the Book of Judges, and the frequent phrase was everyone did
what was right in their own eyes. Everyone starts doing what's right in their
own eyes, which is why youcan say, hey, I think I'm
going to be a woman today.I think that I feel like I was

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born in the wrong body and thatI'm going to do something about it.
And so the definition of the wordman becomes deluded, the definition of the
word woman becomes deluded. It's likethe two most basic words that we could
ever have man and woman that havebeen from the very beginning are now like
being questioned like what is a man? What is a woman? I love

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Matt Walsh's documentary because it really exposedthe foolishness and the insanity of that argument,
and so really what it is,and we've talked about this, but
it's an attack on God and God'sway of doing things. From Genesis one
said he created humankind male and female, and it's only two and anybody who

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looks around can kind of see that. But it's really an agenda that's really
attack on God. It's the enemycoming against the people of God, and
it affects everything because now we cando whatever the heck we want to do
without any consequence, without whatever wethink. But you know, God,
God gives us over to our ownsins, which means that if we don't

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follow his way, the effect ofour sin will have its toll on us.
You know, if we drink,like he says, don't get drunk,
Okay, if we get drunk toomany times, hey, we're going
to be addicted to alcohol, andthe effect of that will have it It
has its own impact, and weget to face the consequences of our own
sin. So that's kind of wherewhere we're at now, and that's where
we're headed unless, like we wementioned during break that we need God to

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pour out of spirit. We needrevival, and churches need to be revived
and because if they are, thenthey will affect the world around them.
Too many times we've been deceived intothinking, hey, here's the spiritual realm,
here's the natural realm, and thetwo shouldn't mix. They shouldn't com
mingle. And what we do insidethe four walls of the church is great,
but it shouldn't have its impact outside. And it's totally the furthest thing

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from the truth. The church needsto be involved in the church, but
also outside the church, in everyarena, in politics and media and sports,
and it should be infused into thewhole, our whole nature, a
whole community. So it's almost likeeven when athletes, you know, when
you hear a lot of the mattera game that they'll interview them, they'll

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say, hey, first off,I want to thank the Lord and my
you know, Jesus Christ, mysavior, and people's like, oh,
you know, but you hear alot more of that lately, which is
great. It is great, SoI think that. And why do you
think they say it's good versus evil? You hear that a lot now,
and because it really is, itreally is good versus evil. It's it's

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the devil's trying to rear his uglyhead. And you know it's what is
the devil? Deception? Right?Well, hundre percent deception, And and
what's happening right now? We're beingit's that's exactly what's going on right We're
being deceived and every in everything,And if you go vote, if you
look at a bill, it's notwhat it what it means. If you

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look in the in the depth ofthe bill, if you do a deeper
dive, it is not what itsays. Almost one hundred times out of
one hundred it will not be whatit actually is doing, or they'll hide
a whole bunch of stuff in there. So what is that? That deception?
You know who's who's the master ofdeceptions? The devil? You know?
So? And and I truly believethat, I truly believe that the

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devil's out in the open today andnobody's in everybody's still keeping their eyes shut.
Yeah, if they open their eyes, they'll see him. In a
lot of places. Yeah, Imean the you know, the Enlightenment and
the Industrial Revolution and all that happened, and then we thought we could figure
this out ourselves, and our attentionwent away from the Lord does rationalize everything.

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Let's naturalize everything. There's no roomfor the supernatural and all that,
and and this was like, Ithis is the first time in history in
the last two hundred years where thathas come to play every and you go
into the other cultures. Other culturesare fine with the supernatural. They know
there's the demonic realm, they knowthere's this, and we're going to rationalize

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everything. And so so even let'slet's talk in the in the medical realm,
because I believe that the love ofmoney is the root of all kinds
of evil. Absolutely, we haven'tmentioned this yet, but a lot of
stuff we're talking about is pushed.The catalyst is the love of money and
power and control. And so youtalk, let's talk about the pharmaceutical industry

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or the medical industry. You know, if a doctor can diagnose it,
he can subscribe something, right,and there's no cure. There's no cure
trying to cure you, right,So let's talk let's talk depression or anxiety
or fear. The Bible mentions thesespecifically that these you don't have to worry,
you don't have to be anxious,live one day at a time,
trust the Lord for your daily breadand all this, and you don't have
to be anxious. Jesus warn't specificallyagainst a worry, and we're experiencing,

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especially since COVID, an outbreak offear that leads to anxiety and depression and
all these meds that are just makingpeople zombies. Trying to fix a spiritual
problem with a chemical remedy, andit won't work. It will never work.
Depression, anxiety are spiritual issues.They're not they're not they're not medical

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issues. They're not natural issues.And so what happens is we try to
fix spiritual problems with natural remedies andit never works. It only goes downhill.
And and people are making loads ofmoney off of this, oh loads
of money. You know. Ilike what you said during break about voting,
you know, getting the Christians outto vote. You know, I
want you, I want you totell everybody kind of what you what you

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told me and Frank Frank and Iabout about that. So like I said,
we try to keep the stuff inchurch, and then that's the spiritual
realm, and then there's either thenaturalm or political realm, and church and
politics. We've been fed this deceptionand lie that those two shouldn't mix.
I mean, if all true believersvoted their their values, if they looked

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at issues and non a personalities.You mentioned, you mentioned, you mentioned
Trump, and Trump is the isthe one guy everybody looks to. Man,
he's he has a ton of flaws. Okay, nobody's gonna I'm not
gonna argue that he has a tonof flaws. But the platform that he
stands on, the ideologies which he'she embraces for the most part are swing

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whatever you want to say conservative,I mean we use the term liberal,
and conservative I would say are morefamily values or even biblical values. And
he proved that during his first term. And so I have a pastor who
always says, until Jesus comes back, we're going to be voting for the
lesser of two evils. Okay,until he comes back, until you're running
as a conservative or neither one,he's going to be. He has the

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he I mean, he has akingdom. So we're not we're not used
to that. We don't get avote. No, we don't get a
vote in his kingdom. Right,So until he comes back, let's vote
for biblical values. Let's vote theright way. I mean, it is
so clear today, Like you goback thirty years ago, you have the
Democrats and Republicans and they they justdiffered on social some social social issues,

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but not on the majors. Likein nineteen ninety four, I believe it
was Bill Clinton, a Democrat,signed the Defensive Marriage Act, right,
which says that which says that manand marriage is between man and a woman.
And he was a Democrat and itwas totally unanimously supported in Congress.
And now you have one party thathas swunk of our like just slit up,

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went off a cliff, yeah,and totally literally have respect for marriage
Act now, which says that,hey, we're basically repealing what we signed
back in nineteen ninety four. You'lllisten to most of these Democrats right now,
that's that's been in their seat fora super long time, and you
listen to what they said twenty yearsago, the exact opposite of what they're

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saying right now. Right, Well, Joe, do you think their views
are evolving. Yeah, yeah,this I put this in my notes for
today, is that you know they'recalled progressives, right, yes, and
actually what's going on and we've seenthis if you go to the Bible,
you'll see this over and over again, that it's actually regressive. They're regressing
into ways that have that have goneover and over and over again that have

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led to the destruction of their cultureor civilization. You can go back and
study Rome. You go back andstudy the Israelites. I mean every forty
to eighty to one hundred years theywere being taken over by more nation.
Why because they started serving the othernation's gods. And so when you start
doing that, when you take theOne true God out of the marketplace,

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out of culture, out of theschools, out of you know, trying
to even get him out of churches, and churches will let it. We'll
let it because we got to obeythat. They go go to Romans thirteen.
We got to submit to the government. It's like, come on,
people, China, China's underground churchthat is flourishing because they are not obeying
the government, right, you know, and so many churches shut down during

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COVID. They just blink acquiesced.It's like, who do you serve?
Right? I have to I haveto be honest, because you know,
nobody, none of us had everbeen through this before. I certainly hadn't
ever been through anything like that.It was brand new. It was you
know, the phrase was two weeksto slow the curtain, right, that
was the phrase too. So wewent online only for three months, and

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then we're like, we saw theriots and everything in La and different places,
and we're like, okay, sothis isn't about safety, this isn't
about getting people. Well, thisis a this is an agenda. It's
nefarious. So we opened right backup in June and stayed open and and
and stayed open from that point on. And then when Governor Newsom said,

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uh, three weeks after that,hey, you guys shouldn't sing in church,
We're like, oh heck no,dude, we're we're seeing we're singing
more, you know, and justjust stayed and just stayed open the rest
of the time. And I tellour congregation all the time, uh,
we are never we learned our lesson. We are never shutting the doors.
The church is essential. I wasactually in at in church with you and

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you were giving a giving a sermonabout that, and you said, you
know, the whole church started clappingand and because ay man, and it
was great. Yeah, because werealize, hey, this is not what
it seemed to be. There wasa it was a mirage, you know,
it really was. It was anotherdeception. Yeah, you know,

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and again I believe with all myheart and soul that it's the devil.
The devil is bringing all this about. However, you know, Christianity will
always be there will no one willever defeat Jesus Christ. He is the
one true God. I believe that, and I believe that America was built

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on the values of Christianity. Theydon't want the persecution of of someone that
wants to worship. That's why ourfounding fathers will we talked earlier, they
didn't want one religion controlling the church. Although we have to admit that Christianity

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is what everything was built on.That's a fact, right, That's a
fact, and that's not something tobe ashamed of. Yeah, that's a
fact, something to be proud of. Absolutely, be proud that you're a
Christian, Be proud that you loveGod, be proud that you love you
know, your neighbor, your family, and that it's that it's it's ingrined
and intertwined with the Lord in hisword. Be proud of that. Don't

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be ashamed. No, the otherside would love to shame us for that,
but they are not ashamed of theirbelief structure. Absolutely, Why should
I be? Look at who's tryingto shame me? And ask myself in
Unfortunately, I wish we could justkeep going and going and going pastor John,
but we're gonna have to wrap thisup. But you know, I
want you to kind of let everybodyknow when your services are. Okay,

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Yeah, our services right now areat ten am and we're at the We're
in Vicelia at the southeast corner ofLover's Lane and called well it's thirty eight
ninety south Lover's Lane and Vicelia andso yeah, if you if you're in
the area and want to stop byat ten am on Sunday mornings, we
usually have a packed house or we'reprobably gonna have to go to two services
in the fall, but we're tryingto hold off as long as possible.

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We did two services for Easter.That's awesome. Both pretty full. That's
awesome. So yeah, so we'retrying to get that worked out. But
anyway, we'd love to see youat church experience the presence of God and
truth. So absolutely, Pastor John, thank you very much for joining us.
It was an absolute pleasure having youon and discussing this with you.
Thank you, guys, Thanks forhaving me. All right, that will

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do it, guys, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you,
Pastor John. Good things and Godbless God, bless you, and God
bless America.