May 29, 2025 • 30 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 2 (05/29) - John converses with USC Professor Michael Mische, who explains how California’s sky-high gas prices—and the looming $8.50 per gallon—are the direct result of CARB’s extreme regulations, refinery closures, and the absurdity of importing dirty fuel from overseas. Plus, John blasts the $1.3 billion wasted on empty homeless housing, recounts how California went from 30 refineries to just eight, and rips into the failed San Francisco “equity grading” experiment. Later, John reacts to Rick Caruso’s Palisades mall reopening and a Swiss village that was buried—then flooded—after a glacier collapse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John
Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app John Cobelt Show on demand.
We had a really good first hour and I'll tell
you more about that in a while, but you really
ought to listen to the first hour on the podcast
if you missed it. Now we're going to move on
to the California Air Resources Board and we're gonna get
Michael MChE On, the USC professor. We've had him on
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twice before and people are very interested in this. He
came out over the last few weeks with two studies.
One that said, in the last fifty years, most of
the California gas price increase and the difference between us
and the rest of the country, it's mostly due to
the government with their taxes and regulations. Second thing he
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came up with is since there are two major refineries
closing and the California Air Resources Board has a new
carbon standard, gas prices which are near five bucks now
a gallon are going to be closer to eight point
fifty a gallon, and that led well. Simultaneously, the California
Air Resources Board was called to the Assembly Utility and
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Energy Committee to explain themselves. There were three officials and
several Democrats were outwardly very skeptical the Air Resources Board
and these big price increases that were coming. They didn't
really understand why the regulations has forced these refineries out
of business and now we're going to take gas and
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oil and have it shipped from Saudi Arabia. That makes
no sense. It's extremely stupid. So let's let's get Michael
miche on.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Michael, welcome, Thanks Jean, how are you today.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, you actually got the California Air Resources Board to
basically agree to your agree with your analysis.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, big surprise there, right, And it was a big
surprise they did. You know, when you look at the
at the tape and you read the transcript, a couple
of things that really came out, and that is that
they agreed that there would be more emissions created by
the loss of two in state refineries due to the
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fact that we're going to have to import gatholine from
refineries that aren't in the same country as the United States.
They have lower lower environmental standards, lower labor standards, some instances,
human rights issues. We'll be putting that gasoline on a
tanker shipping it forty forty five days across the Pacific
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and getting it here, So.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Forty five days, forty five days. Can you imagine the
emissions from these tankers over forty five days to replace
twenty percent of our fuel supply?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Good lord, it's ludicrous that this is happening. It was
completely avoidable, it was inevitable given the states, you know,
literally adverse atmosphere for these refiners to operate in. And
I'm I'm not defending the refiners. I'm just I'm an economist.
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I'm sitting around looking for you know, what's causing these
prices to go up and what's causing these refineries to leave.
And it's it's in its policy, and it's the cost
of doing business in California.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
As one of the Assembly members said yesterday, she said, look,
if these refiners were doing you know, so great, you know,
making so much money in California, why would they leave
the state. I mean, they're leaving the state for a reason, right,
because they're not making money and it's costing too much money.
And then I thought it was really interesting when Vice
chair of the CEC Gunda said, oh yeah, well, basically
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we won't be able to do anything in California, So
you will have to import this gasoline from foreign sources.
Our dependency will go up on foreign sources. And oh
the price will go up because we're importing it on
foreign sources. So in a sense, I guess, I guess
you're right, John. You know, they completely.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Completely vindicated everything you've been telling, and you had the
News administration trying to smear you and and just claiming
you were connected to Saudi Arabia and you're not. And secondly,
Saudi Arabia is going to be benefiting from this ridiculous
policy that you're criticizing. They're the ones who are going
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to be selling us and shipping us all the oil
and gas.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, the question is where will California get California Special
blend gasoline. That's the question, all right. Typically we've looked
to Washington State, but they do not have the capacity
and make up for the lassity refineries. You might look
at the Golf States, but then you need a special
tanker that complies with the Jones Act, and most of
those are deployed going from the Golf Coast to the
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East coast. So the only places you can find this
gasoline will be in Asia, and that would be China,
which gets the majority of its oil stock from Iran
and Russia and Venezuela, so you could get gasoline made
from that oil. You could go to South Korea, which
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is pretty predominantly Saudi Arabian ohale.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And wait a second, Saudi Arabia ships into South Korea.
Then we could buy the oil from South Korea. Go
from South Saudi Arabia to South Korea to here.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, So what happens is the oil is produced in
Saudi Arabia, it's shipped to a son a South Korean refinery,
turned into gasoline and refinery there, and you're shipping gasoline
across the Pacific for consumption in California.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Or we could produce the oil here in California and
refine it into gas in California and then use it
in California. Instead, it's gonna be pumped out of Saudi Arabia,
shipped to South Korea, refine it to gas, and then
shipped again over here. Gee, I don't know which is
the more efficient system.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, one would wonder, but you're precisely right, one would wonder.
And there's ways that we could increase in state production
of both oil and gasoline, and providing centers for the
refiners to stay in state without being destructive to the environment,
and without providing extraordinary loopholes or so that some people
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think these mythical loopholes or this mythical profit that occurs
to the refiners, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The profit doesn't exists, and his crowd are making it up.
They're lying. They just lie. There is no profit. Because
that Democratic assembly woman was right. If they were making
so much profit, they wouldn't be packing up and leaving.
You got two major oil companies shutting down, two major refineries.
So they're not making a profit.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
They're not making anywhere near what the state claims they're
making or some of the pundents that speak for the state.
For example, the CEC does publish data on margins from
the refiners, but in general they publish gross profit margins
the gross level. They don't produce a lot of information
regarding the net profit level. And we know there's been
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times when the gross profit has been way up there,
like eighty to ninety cents gallon, but the net has
been a loss. You know, today with these oil prices, today,
these refiners aren't operating anywhere near high profitability if they're
making any money at all. And so given that and
the burden of the regulations and the new carbon fuel
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standard and all that stuff they're leaving.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Can you hang on for another second?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, our whole hold on. Michael Machet, professor at USC,
he's had the studies out about California for fifty years
that has had high gas prices because of the government's
relations and taxes, huge amounts of taxes. And secondly, he's
warning you that it could be eight to fifty a
gallon gas because there's two major refineries closing in the
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next year and a half and the California Air Resources
Board is slapping a fuel standard that'll raise the price
sixty five cents a gallon all by itself. Yesterday you
had leadership from the California Air Resources Board, the California
Energy Commission, and they had to testify before the Assembly,
and you had Assembly democrats getting impatient and getting hostile.
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And we'll talk about these people, and we'll talk with
Michael mache about these newly found converts to obvious common sense.
I hope they follow through. They better follow through, or
we're going to be in for a lot of hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
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Speaker 1 (08:51):
John Cobelt's show Voice Ligne is tomorrow twice in the
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back feature on the iHeartRadio app Michael Mischey continues with
us the USC professor who has correctly analyzed that over
the last fifty years, most of our price, our price
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differential between us and the rest of the country has
been because of California taxes and regulations. And secondly, he's
discovered that between the California Air Resources Board new standard
that's coming soon and two refineries closing, we really are
we really do have a good chance of paying eight
to fifty a gallon by the end of next year.
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And then you had the head of the California Air
Resources Board, Leanne Randolph, and the vice chair of the
California Energy Commission, Ceva Gunda, and another executive or two.
They all appeared before the largely Democratic Assembly Committee on
Utilities and Energy, but they got a lot of pushback
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and Michael, you there as I am I'm going to
read you some of the quotes from these democrats. A
couple of them were in that clip from Channel three
and Sacramento. But I think everybody should should hear who's
saying it. The Assembly Democrat David Alvarez says, I'm curious
and a little bit frustrated as I sat here during
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our special session for many hours listening to you here.
It's more than six hours after that, and we were
told to act with urgency because they're price gouging their
skyrocketing fuel costs, and I don't hear today any evidence
of that occurring. Quite the contrary. We have a crisis
on our hand that may have been self created by
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the actions perhaps taken by the state by regulators. And
he's looking at the regulators when he says this. Then
you had Assembly Member Kotty Petrie Norris, Democrat from Irvine,
and he interrupted one of the bureaucrats, Ty Milder, from
the Division of Petroleum Market and Kotti Petrie Norris said
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that if California companies were raking it in, why did
we have two refineries announced they're intent to close. I'm
not clear how you're asserting that they're making more money
here than around the country. If that were the case,
they would not have two refineries announced that they're closing.
Mike Gibson, a Democrat from La increasing in imports means
we have more vessels, more emissions, Is that correct? And
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he was told that, yes, he's correct. What do you
make of these Democrats now suddenly rising from the dead
on this issue.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, I think they read my report of MAYPIF and
I think they're starting to be more mindful and more
objective about what the situation is and the impact on
the California consumer. I'd like to think that. And I'll
tell you that basically, the guy that started all this
was probably Brian Jones, state Senator out of San Diego,
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who's who's been on this for a number of years.
And occasionally he would he would contact me or his
office would say are you working on this? Are you're
working on that? And I'd say yeah. You'd say, well, look,
we don't you know, we don't care what the results are.
What would you send them to us? You know? Do
you think they're going to go up? Yeah? Do you
think they're going to go down? Yeah, Well we don't
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really care. If you're upper downs, just give us your
best advice, give us your most independent perspective. So I
think now you're starting to have some mindful democrats who
are actually thinking independently, looking at the data and saying, well, gee, yeah,
if I lose twenty percent or twenty one percent of
my total production in state, how am I going to
make it up? And oh wow, if I ship it
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from as far away as India or even Saudi Arabia
from those refineries, yeah, I'm creating more greenhouse emissions footprint wise,
and it's going to cost me more to get it
on shore. And I think these are legit questions to ask.
But I think when you look at the tape or
you look at the video of that from k c
r A, it's it's amazing that honestly, all three of
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those executives really didn't have a plan. They didn't have
a clue as to ask to how to answer these
questions more coherently.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And that's amazing because these refiners have an ounce shutdowns,
you know in Phillip sixty six case back in October
and then Valero not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They don't care, they have this this this Kakamami theory.
You know, they're part of the climate religion, and so
they issue their directives and everyone's supposed to obey and salute,
and whatever happens happens. They don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, you might be right, I think I think maybe
ideological dogma has has replaced common sense and in common
sense business policy in the state. And also, you know,
there is a point of diminishing returns. You can legislate, legislate, legislate,
but how much better is the quality of air going
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to be when you're shipping over millions of gallons of
gasoline a day on an ocean ocean TANKERU. You know,
one really has to question that wisdom.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
How do they not know that we all share the
atmosphere around the world. Anything pumped into the atmosphere anywhere
in the world affects the entire globe. How do they
not know that?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh? Come on, John, you know the answer to that.
California is a bubble. We're special. We come on, you
know the answer to that. Okay, yeah, uh, there's this
mythical there's this mythical barrier you know offshore, you know,
the international boundary line. Yeah, you know, the emission state.
Air in California has its own its own pristine air.
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So so we know the answer to that question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, Michael, thank you for coming on again. And this
is great work you're doing. You're actually having an effect
that is very rare in this state. So keep it up.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I appreciate that, John at anytime. And and you know,
let's hope we can get these prices down because you're right.
You know, senior citizens, working class families, folks working through
three jobs, they get hit hard by these gas prices.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
All right, Michael, we're talking against Michael MChE from USC
professor there we've got. I got a few more things
to say about. This is actually pretty shocking to see
these democrats now telling off the California Air Resources Board.
Where have you been for twenty years?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I want you to listen to the one o'clock hour
is Jamie Page was on from the West Side Current
and she detailed how La City and County blew one
point three billion dollars buying up motels, hotels, and existing
apartment buildings new ones in some cases, and a majority
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of the units are vacant. They were supposed to be
for homeless people and they're empty and a lot of
the properties they bought are dilapidated, all busted up, and
they never fixed them. And that was a billion three
that they spent since twenty twenty. JB. Page has the story.
It's quite shocking. It's shocking and not shocking at the
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same time. So listen to that on the podcast, and
definitely if you're just joining us. Michael mcche was on
with us because from the USC he's the one who's
produced those studies on how the gas situation in this
state is entirely the fault of the government currently, Gavin
Newsom and the Democrats in the legislature. And what was
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really shocking today is several Assembly Democrats were giving the
head of the California Resources Board a hard time because
the gas prices are so high that you know, we're
going to be headed for eight point fifty a gallon,
and two refineries are closing, and we can't survive two
refineries closing. We used to have over forty We're down
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to eight major refineries that produced ninety six percent of
the gasoline. We're losing two, so we'll be down to six.
You realize the state drove out, let's say, thirty thirty
five or so refineries out of the state for the climate, religion,
nothing else. And we're paying five bucks a gallon and
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we're going to pay fifty. It's just unbelievable. You ever,
you ever wonder how people get by. I've read the
other day, like the median price was that in that study?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I was it eight hundred thousand? Was that the one?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The median price of a house is eight hundred thousand
roughly in California, nine hundred thousand in La County. And
the average salary is like seventy thousand.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And if you're made making one hundred thousand, that's kind
of considered just under just above poverty level.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Right for California.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So we probably have half the state making poverty wages
by this calculation. And and then then then these these
these jackasses and Sacramento come up with these this regulation
thicket that drives the price of gas to eight point fifty.
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How yesterday we were a lot of these statistics came
from Edward Ring, who's a researcher think tank guy, and
and he said eight and a half million people have
fled California in the last fifteen years, eight and a
half million, and nobody in Sacramento cares, and nobody in
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the media wants to investigate any of this or even
inform us of it. Why why is it We're playing
Ashley's Evalla five days a week from Saka or Mano.
We got channel two, Channel nine, Channel four, Channel seven,
Channel eleven, Channel three. We got six broadcast outlets with
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I think it's almost twenty four hours worth of news
every day. Right. You can get up at four in
the morning right through late at night and there's constant
news on.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And nothing we have, you, John, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I'm ready to fall over this.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Well, no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
This stuff really applies to people's lives. Right. We all
every day see the gas prices and we flinch, and
then we look at our bank accounts and go, how
am I getting through Friday?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I scratch my head every day. I have no idea.
I told you yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You know, my son, who actually makes pretty good money,
is living in Pennsylvania right now and is going to
get married in the next you know, two years possibly,
and he's not going to come back because of all
the problems that we face here in southern California.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's it's just terrible. And you hear the tone of
voice like this, this this Leanne Randolph. When she was
finally challenged, it's like, hey, you know we're going to
have all these shipping vessels bringing us gas from Saudi Arabia. Well,
that's going to be a lot more emissions. So she goes,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that will implicate air quality issues
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beyond state waters that we do not regulate. Well, you
don't regulate only the air in California. The air comes
in from all over and our air goes everywhere else.
So she wants to regulate the air for a brief
time as it passes over California, right as the winds
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blow let's say from west to east, you know there
there's there's a few minutes there where she gets to
regulate the air. You know what when Michael mache said,
I asked, I said, how, you know, how does this
work shipping in from other countries? And he said, they
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drove for the oil in Saudi Arabia, they ship it
to South Korea where it's refined into gas, and then
it's shipped here to California. Well, can you imagine the
monstrous cost of that and the monstrous amount of emissions
to send oil tankers. It takes forty five days to
cross the Pacific, forty five days to get here, and
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there's got to be two stops. There's got to be
Saudi Arabia to make the oil, and then South Korea
refined the gas, and we could all do it here
in Bakersfield if we wanted. You couldn't create a more
ridiculous system than what we have. It's impossible. Nobody would
believe it, you know. I can't imagine if people like
who were living here fifty years ago, like when they
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were in the prime of their life, and you told
them what the oil industry is going to become, that
we'd end up buying much of our oil from Saudi Arabia,
and they're going to ship the South Korea, and then
South Korea is going to ship the gasoline here, and
that would save us from air from greenhouse gases.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
There's one positive.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
So many people are going to be leaving LA because
they can't afford to live here, so then our commute
John will not be so bad anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's what's gonna happen. That's the only plus.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That is the bright side.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yes, I think I'm always looking at the bright side.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And if they're going to get out, if you're thinking
of getting out, would you get out now, yes, especially
to live east of Burbank or get out before Bank.
Oh wait, A.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Second summer is a little better because schools are out,
people are on vacation.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
So if you're going to do it, do it before
the fall.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
The Palisades opening up was a big deal. I know
all right now that the pch is open up. Yeah,
ten minutes off my cab.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I was going to say, is five ten minutes? Yeah,
you know, I mean it's it's better than nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Speaking of the Palisades, Uh, Elise Walker, you're probably more
familiar with this. She's got a designer fashion set of stores.
She's announced he is going to open and reopening Caruso's
Village in the Palisades. That's great summer of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, because Cruso is reopening.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, and that her her store is one of the
Marquee stores, and so they're gonna they're going to open it.
And I'm listening to Caruso say how impatient he is
and he wants to get this done and bring the
baalisades back, and uh, I remember when he put out
what he paid to put out the fire at his
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shopping center. And these these a whole critics, including some
TV anchors, in fact, one of them, if I ever
see him, boy, what are you going to do? I
don't know. I want to go crazy on him, because
he was really condescending, an accus accusatory of you know,
some people say, oh, he's like that. Some people say no, no, no,
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you say this, Okay, most people, if they had the money,
would put out the fire on their own shopping center.
I own a shopping center, right, It's definitely put out
my own fire.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You're an elitist.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I'm an elitist. And I'm so sick of successful
people being torn down. I'm so sick of people who
accomplished things being torn down. Of course, he was prepared.
However much money he has, the city has a lot
more than that, and he did what the city should
have done. He was prepared. His fire crew is in place,
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and they were able to protect the shopping center. That's
what the La City and La County fire departments should
have done if they were under proper management and proper
political direction. That's what Karen Bass should have done, should
have had La City fire department in place in the
Palisades and all the other all the other towns in
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the foothills. John Caruso, did.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Dude, do we know for sure if fireworks started the
fire in the Palace Dades.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
No, No, we don't.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Oh, we don't, Okay. I just wanted to what is
I forgot?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
I was thinking maybe you know I forgot or was
here and you made that, you know, declaration.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
What is it like one hundred and fifty days and
we still don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
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Speaker 1 (25:23):
The insane absurd progressives in San Francisco came up with
a new grading system that was lasted less than twenty
four hours. And we're going to talk about Richie Greenberg.
He's a writer and commentator and politically active in San Francisco.
Just to give you a quick idea, if you score
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twenty one on a test in the San Francisco School District,
at least this was the proposal, you'd still pass with
a twenty one, forty one gets you a C an
eighty or one hundred would both be an, So we'll
get to that. I always look for things that might
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frighten you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Why I have enough fear.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I don't know. I'm sick that way, and this is
due and I don't know if this will keep you
up at night. But in the Swiss Alps there's a
little village called Blattin, and for days the people in
Blattin were warned that you have an unstable glacier looming
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high above your homes. It could collapse, and so residents evacuated.
And a few days later, yesterday afternoon, the glacier collapse.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Oh well, good thing they left.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, everybody but one guy. One guy.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Is he dead?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well they're looking for him because three million cubic meters
of ice, rock, and mud fell on the town. Three
million cubic meters. That sounds like a lot. It broke
up under the weight of overlying rocks and buried the village.
It was a very pretty village. I'm sure you know.
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He had the glacier behind you in this rock formation,
and the debris stretched for more than a mile. A
few structures survived, but then they got flooded out because
after the glacier fell, it blocked a river that flows
through the village. So at the river blocked, it started
backing up and flooding what had been destroyed by the glacier.
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Ninety percent of the village buried. Oh high altitude snow melt.
It was part of it. But the precise trigger they
don't know. And there's one sixty four year old guy
can't find him.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
They that was the guy that didn't leave.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I guess, or he didn't run fast enough. I mean,
everyone else evacuated a few days before they had the warnings.
It's not like here in la where we don't get
the proper evacuation warnings.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Or we get the wrong ones.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Do we get the wrong ones? People in Altadena are
still waiting for a fire warning from January and they
never got it. So this guy is the only one
who didn't get it. It blocked the Lonza River, which
created the lake, and it just got it, just got
pushed down by overlying rocks.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
There's no safe place to really live.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, But what are the odds a glacier falls on
your head?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, that's really bad luck.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
He's the only guy I've ever heard of who got
crushed by a glacier.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It's just well, if he survives, he has something to
tell the grandkids.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I know it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It Apparently the rock, the facing of the rock was
encased in permafrost. It had degraded over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That's not how I would like to go. No, I mean,
I don't know how I would like to go.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
But that's flattened by glacier.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, you'd end up like one of those cartoon pancakes.
You'll just peel you up.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
That's how funny, John.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I know it's not funny. I feel terribly bad for
what happened to him.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Oh I can tell.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Hey, you left at this stuff too alight.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
We are a bad influence on me, as I've said
too many years working with you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I know. After three o'clock Richie Greenberg, he's a writer
and commentator and involved in politics up in San Francisco,
and we are going to have another good laugh over
San Francisco. Briefly considering having grading equity, grading equity where
if you get twenty one out of one hundred, you pass. Seriously,
(29:44):
this is progressive education. Hey, you've been listening to the
John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show
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We had a really good first hour and I'll tell
you more about that in a while, but you really
ought to listen to the first hour on the podcast
if you missed it. Now we're going to move on
to the California Air Resources Board and we're gonna get
Michael MChE On, the USC professor. We've had him on
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twice before and people are very interested in this. He
came out over the last few weeks with two studies.
One that said, in the last fifty years, most of
the California gas price increase and the difference between us
and the rest of the country, it's mostly due to
the government with their taxes and regulations. Second thing he
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came up with is since there are two major refineries
closing and the California Air Resources Board has a new
carbon standard, gas prices which are near five bucks now
a gallon are going to be closer to eight point
fifty a gallon, and that led well. Simultaneously, the California
Air Resources Board was called to the Assembly Utility and
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Energy Committee to explain themselves. There were three officials and
several Democrats were outwardly very skeptical the Air Resources Board
and these big price increases that were coming. They didn't
really understand why the regulations has forced these refineries out
of business and now we're going to take gas and
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oil and have it shipped from Saudi Arabia. That makes
no sense. It's extremely stupid. So let's let's get Michael
miche on.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Michael, welcome, Thanks Jean, how are you today.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, you actually got the California Air Resources Board to
basically agree to your agree with your analysis.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, big surprise there, right, And it was a big
surprise they did. You know, when you look at the
at the tape and you read the transcript, a couple
of things that really came out, and that is that
they agreed that there would be more emissions created by
the loss of two in state refineries due to the
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fact that we're going to have to import gatholine from
refineries that aren't in the same country as the United States.
They have lower lower environmental standards, lower labor standards, some instances,
human rights issues. We'll be putting that gasoline on a
tanker shipping it forty forty five days across the Pacific
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and getting it here, So.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Forty five days, forty five days. Can you imagine the
emissions from these tankers over forty five days to replace
twenty percent of our fuel supply?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Good lord, it's ludicrous that this is happening. It was
completely avoidable, it was inevitable given the states, you know,
literally adverse atmosphere for these refiners to operate in. And
I'm I'm not defending the refiners. I'm just I'm an economist.
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I'm sitting around looking for you know, what's causing these
prices to go up and what's causing these refineries to leave.
And it's it's in its policy, and it's the cost
of doing business in California.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
As one of the Assembly members said yesterday, she said, look,
if these refiners were doing you know, so great, you know,
making so much money in California, why would they leave
the state. I mean, they're leaving the state for a reason, right,
because they're not making money and it's costing too much money.
And then I thought it was really interesting when Vice
chair of the CEC Gunda said, oh yeah, well, basically
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we won't be able to do anything in California, So
you will have to import this gasoline from foreign sources.
Our dependency will go up on foreign sources. And oh
the price will go up because we're importing it on
foreign sources. So in a sense, I guess, I guess
you're right, John. You know, they completely.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Completely vindicated everything you've been telling, and you had the
News administration trying to smear you and and just claiming
you were connected to Saudi Arabia and you're not. And secondly,
Saudi Arabia is going to be benefiting from this ridiculous
policy that you're criticizing. They're the ones who are going
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to be selling us and shipping us all the oil
and gas.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, the question is where will California get California Special
blend gasoline. That's the question, all right. Typically we've looked
to Washington State, but they do not have the capacity
and make up for the lassity refineries. You might look
at the Golf States, but then you need a special
tanker that complies with the Jones Act, and most of
those are deployed going from the Golf Coast to the
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East coast. So the only places you can find this
gasoline will be in Asia, and that would be China,
which gets the majority of its oil stock from Iran
and Russia and Venezuela, so you could get gasoline made
from that oil. You could go to South Korea, which
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is pretty predominantly Saudi Arabian ohale.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And wait a second, Saudi Arabia ships into South Korea.
Then we could buy the oil from South Korea. Go
from South Saudi Arabia to South Korea to here.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, So what happens is the oil is produced in
Saudi Arabia, it's shipped to a son a South Korean refinery,
turned into gasoline and refinery there, and you're shipping gasoline
across the Pacific for consumption in California.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Or we could produce the oil here in California and
refine it into gas in California and then use it
in California. Instead, it's gonna be pumped out of Saudi Arabia,
shipped to South Korea, refine it to gas, and then
shipped again over here. Gee, I don't know which is
the more efficient system.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, one would wonder, but you're precisely right, one would wonder.
And there's ways that we could increase in state production
of both oil and gasoline, and providing centers for the
refiners to stay in state without being destructive to the environment,
and without providing extraordinary loopholes or so that some people
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think these mythical loopholes or this mythical profit that occurs
to the refiners, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The profit doesn't exists, and his crowd are making it up.
They're lying. They just lie. There is no profit. Because
that Democratic assembly woman was right. If they were making
so much profit, they wouldn't be packing up and leaving.
You got two major oil companies shutting down, two major refineries.
So they're not making a profit.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
They're not making anywhere near what the state claims they're
making or some of the pundents that speak for the state.
For example, the CEC does publish data on margins from
the refiners, but in general they publish gross profit margins
the gross level. They don't produce a lot of information
regarding the net profit level. And we know there's been
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times when the gross profit has been way up there,
like eighty to ninety cents gallon, but the net has
been a loss. You know, today with these oil prices, today,
these refiners aren't operating anywhere near high profitability if they're
making any money at all. And so given that and
the burden of the regulations and the new carbon fuel
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standard and all that stuff they're leaving.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Can you hang on for another second?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, our whole hold on. Michael Machet, professor at USC,
he's had the studies out about California for fifty years
that has had high gas prices because of the government's
relations and taxes, huge amounts of taxes. And secondly, he's
warning you that it could be eight to fifty a
gallon gas because there's two major refineries closing in the
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next year and a half and the California Air Resources
Board is slapping a fuel standard that'll raise the price
sixty five cents a gallon all by itself. Yesterday you
had leadership from the California Air Resources Board, the California
Energy Commission, and they had to testify before the Assembly,
and you had Assembly democrats getting impatient and getting hostile.
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And we'll talk about these people, and we'll talk with
Michael mache about these newly found converts to obvious common sense.
I hope they follow through. They better follow through, or
we're going to be in for a lot of hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
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Speaker 1 (08:51):
John Cobelt's show Voice Ligne is tomorrow twice in the
three o'clock hour eight seven seven moyst steady six eight
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back feature on the iHeartRadio app Michael Mischey continues with
us the USC professor who has correctly analyzed that over
the last fifty years, most of our price, our price
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differential between us and the rest of the country has
been because of California taxes and regulations. And secondly, he's
discovered that between the California Air Resources Board new standard
that's coming soon and two refineries closing, we really are
we really do have a good chance of paying eight
to fifty a gallon by the end of next year.
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And then you had the head of the California Air
Resources Board, Leanne Randolph, and the vice chair of the
California Energy Commission, Ceva Gunda, and another executive or two.
They all appeared before the largely Democratic Assembly Committee on
Utilities and Energy, but they got a lot of pushback
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and Michael, you there as I am I'm going to
read you some of the quotes from these democrats. A
couple of them were in that clip from Channel three
and Sacramento. But I think everybody should should hear who's
saying it. The Assembly Democrat David Alvarez says, I'm curious
and a little bit frustrated as I sat here during
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our special session for many hours listening to you here.
It's more than six hours after that, and we were
told to act with urgency because they're price gouging their
skyrocketing fuel costs, and I don't hear today any evidence
of that occurring. Quite the contrary. We have a crisis
on our hand that may have been self created by
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the actions perhaps taken by the state by regulators. And
he's looking at the regulators when he says this. Then
you had Assembly Member Kotty Petrie Norris, Democrat from Irvine,
and he interrupted one of the bureaucrats, Ty Milder, from
the Division of Petroleum Market and Kotti Petrie Norris said
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that if California companies were raking it in, why did
we have two refineries announced they're intent to close. I'm
not clear how you're asserting that they're making more money
here than around the country. If that were the case,
they would not have two refineries announced that they're closing.
Mike Gibson, a Democrat from La increasing in imports means
we have more vessels, more emissions, Is that correct? And
(11:30):
he was told that, yes, he's correct. What do you
make of these Democrats now suddenly rising from the dead
on this issue.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, I think they read my report of MAYPIF and
I think they're starting to be more mindful and more
objective about what the situation is and the impact on
the California consumer. I'd like to think that. And I'll
tell you that basically, the guy that started all this
was probably Brian Jones, state Senator out of San Diego,
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who's who's been on this for a number of years.
And occasionally he would he would contact me or his
office would say are you working on this? Are you're
working on that? And I'd say yeah. You'd say, well, look,
we don't you know, we don't care what the results are.
What would you send them to us? You know? Do
you think they're going to go up? Yeah? Do you
think they're going to go down? Yeah, Well we don't
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really care. If you're upper downs, just give us your
best advice, give us your most independent perspective. So I
think now you're starting to have some mindful democrats who
are actually thinking independently, looking at the data and saying, well, gee, yeah,
if I lose twenty percent or twenty one percent of
my total production in state, how am I going to
make it up? And oh wow, if I ship it
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from as far away as India or even Saudi Arabia
from those refineries, yeah, I'm creating more greenhouse emissions footprint wise,
and it's going to cost me more to get it
on shore. And I think these are legit questions to ask.
But I think when you look at the tape or
you look at the video of that from k c
r A, it's it's amazing that honestly, all three of
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those executives really didn't have a plan. They didn't have
a clue as to ask to how to answer these
questions more coherently.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And that's amazing because these refiners have an ounce shutdowns,
you know in Phillip sixty six case back in October
and then Valero not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They don't care, they have this this this Kakamami theory.
You know, they're part of the climate religion, and so
they issue their directives and everyone's supposed to obey and salute,
and whatever happens happens. They don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, you might be right, I think I think maybe
ideological dogma has has replaced common sense and in common
sense business policy in the state. And also, you know,
there is a point of diminishing returns. You can legislate, legislate, legislate,
but how much better is the quality of air going
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to be when you're shipping over millions of gallons of
gasoline a day on an ocean ocean TANKERU. You know,
one really has to question that wisdom.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
How do they not know that we all share the
atmosphere around the world. Anything pumped into the atmosphere anywhere
in the world affects the entire globe. How do they
not know that?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh? Come on, John, you know the answer to that.
California is a bubble. We're special. We come on, you
know the answer to that. Okay, yeah, uh, there's this
mythical there's this mythical barrier you know offshore, you know,
the international boundary line. Yeah, you know, the emission state.
Air in California has its own its own pristine air.
(14:45):
So so we know the answer to that question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, Michael, thank you for coming on again. And this
is great work you're doing. You're actually having an effect
that is very rare in this state. So keep it up.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I appreciate that, John at anytime. And and you know,
let's hope we can get these prices down because you're right.
You know, senior citizens, working class families, folks working through
three jobs, they get hit hard by these gas prices.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
All right, Michael, we're talking against Michael MChE from USC
professor there we've got. I got a few more things
to say about. This is actually pretty shocking to see
these democrats now telling off the California Air Resources Board.
Where have you been for twenty years?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I want you to listen to the one o'clock hour
is Jamie Page was on from the West Side Current
and she detailed how La City and County blew one
point three billion dollars buying up motels, hotels, and existing
apartment buildings new ones in some cases, and a majority
(16:01):
of the units are vacant. They were supposed to be
for homeless people and they're empty and a lot of
the properties they bought are dilapidated, all busted up, and
they never fixed them. And that was a billion three
that they spent since twenty twenty. JB. Page has the story.
It's quite shocking. It's shocking and not shocking at the
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same time. So listen to that on the podcast, and
definitely if you're just joining us. Michael mcche was on
with us because from the USC he's the one who's
produced those studies on how the gas situation in this
state is entirely the fault of the government currently, Gavin
Newsom and the Democrats in the legislature. And what was
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really shocking today is several Assembly Democrats were giving the
head of the California Resources Board a hard time because
the gas prices are so high that you know, we're
going to be headed for eight point fifty a gallon,
and two refineries are closing, and we can't survive two
refineries closing. We used to have over forty We're down
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to eight major refineries that produced ninety six percent of
the gasoline. We're losing two, so we'll be down to six.
You realize the state drove out, let's say, thirty thirty
five or so refineries out of the state for the climate, religion,
nothing else. And we're paying five bucks a gallon and
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we're going to pay fifty. It's just unbelievable. You ever,
you ever wonder how people get by. I've read the
other day, like the median price was that in that study?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I was it eight hundred thousand? Was that the one?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The median price of a house is eight hundred thousand
roughly in California, nine hundred thousand in La County. And
the average salary is like seventy thousand.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And if you're made making one hundred thousand, that's kind
of considered just under just above poverty level.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Right for California.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So we probably have half the state making poverty wages
by this calculation. And and then then then these these
these jackasses and Sacramento come up with these this regulation
thicket that drives the price of gas to eight point fifty.
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How yesterday we were a lot of these statistics came
from Edward Ring, who's a researcher think tank guy, and
and he said eight and a half million people have
fled California in the last fifteen years, eight and a
half million, and nobody in Sacramento cares, and nobody in
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the media wants to investigate any of this or even
inform us of it. Why why is it We're playing
Ashley's Evalla five days a week from Saka or Mano.
We got channel two, Channel nine, Channel four, Channel seven,
Channel eleven, Channel three. We got six broadcast outlets with
(19:12):
I think it's almost twenty four hours worth of news
every day. Right. You can get up at four in
the morning right through late at night and there's constant
news on.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And nothing we have, you, John, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I'm ready to fall over this.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Well, no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
This stuff really applies to people's lives. Right. We all
every day see the gas prices and we flinch, and
then we look at our bank accounts and go, how
am I getting through Friday?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I scratch my head every day. I have no idea.
I told you yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You know, my son, who actually makes pretty good money,
is living in Pennsylvania right now and is going to
get married in the next you know, two years possibly,
and he's not going to come back because of all
the problems that we face here in southern California.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's it's just terrible. And you hear the tone of
voice like this, this this Leanne Randolph. When she was
finally challenged, it's like, hey, you know we're going to
have all these shipping vessels bringing us gas from Saudi Arabia. Well,
that's going to be a lot more emissions. So she goes,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that will implicate air quality issues
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beyond state waters that we do not regulate. Well, you
don't regulate only the air in California. The air comes
in from all over and our air goes everywhere else.
So she wants to regulate the air for a brief
time as it passes over California, right as the winds
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blow let's say from west to east, you know there
there's there's a few minutes there where she gets to
regulate the air. You know what when Michael mache said,
I asked, I said, how, you know, how does this
work shipping in from other countries? And he said, they
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drove for the oil in Saudi Arabia, they ship it
to South Korea where it's refined into gas, and then
it's shipped here to California. Well, can you imagine the
monstrous cost of that and the monstrous amount of emissions
to send oil tankers. It takes forty five days to
cross the Pacific, forty five days to get here, and
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there's got to be two stops. There's got to be
Saudi Arabia to make the oil, and then South Korea
refined the gas, and we could all do it here
in Bakersfield if we wanted. You couldn't create a more
ridiculous system than what we have. It's impossible. Nobody would
believe it, you know. I can't imagine if people like
who were living here fifty years ago, like when they
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were in the prime of their life, and you told
them what the oil industry is going to become, that
we'd end up buying much of our oil from Saudi Arabia,
and they're going to ship the South Korea, and then
South Korea is going to ship the gasoline here, and
that would save us from air from greenhouse gases.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
There's one positive.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
So many people are going to be leaving LA because
they can't afford to live here, so then our commute
John will not be so bad anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's what's gonna happen. That's the only plus.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That is the bright side.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yes, I think I'm always looking at the bright side.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And if they're going to get out, if you're thinking
of getting out, would you get out now, yes, especially
to live east of Burbank or get out before Bank.
Oh wait, A.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Second summer is a little better because schools are out,
people are on vacation.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
So if you're going to do it, do it before
the fall.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
The Palisades opening up was a big deal. I know
all right now that the pch is open up. Yeah,
ten minutes off my cab.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I was going to say, is five ten minutes? Yeah,
you know, I mean it's it's better than nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Speaking of the Palisades, Uh, Elise Walker, you're probably more
familiar with this. She's got a designer fashion set of stores.
She's announced he is going to open and reopening Caruso's
Village in the Palisades. That's great summer of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, because Cruso is reopening.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, and that her her store is one of the
Marquee stores, and so they're gonna they're going to open it.
And I'm listening to Caruso say how impatient he is
and he wants to get this done and bring the
baalisades back, and uh, I remember when he put out
what he paid to put out the fire at his
(23:43):
shopping center. And these these a whole critics, including some
TV anchors, in fact, one of them, if I ever
see him, boy, what are you going to do? I
don't know. I want to go crazy on him, because
he was really condescending, an accus accusatory of you know,
some people say, oh, he's like that. Some people say no, no, no,
(24:04):
you say this, Okay, most people, if they had the money,
would put out the fire on their own shopping center.
I own a shopping center, right, It's definitely put out
my own fire.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You're an elitist.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I'm an elitist. And I'm so sick of successful
people being torn down. I'm so sick of people who
accomplished things being torn down. Of course, he was prepared.
However much money he has, the city has a lot
more than that, and he did what the city should
have done. He was prepared. His fire crew is in place,
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and they were able to protect the shopping center. That's
what the La City and La County fire departments should
have done if they were under proper management and proper
political direction. That's what Karen Bass should have done, should
have had La City fire department in place in the
Palisades and all the other all the other towns in
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the foothills. John Caruso, did.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Dude, do we know for sure if fireworks started the
fire in the Palace Dades.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
No, No, we don't.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Oh, we don't, Okay. I just wanted to what is
I forgot?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
I was thinking maybe you know I forgot or was
here and you made that, you know, declaration.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
What is it like one hundred and fifty days and
we still don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
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Speaker 1 (25:23):
The insane absurd progressives in San Francisco came up with
a new grading system that was lasted less than twenty
four hours. And we're going to talk about Richie Greenberg.
He's a writer and commentator and politically active in San Francisco.
Just to give you a quick idea, if you score
(25:45):
twenty one on a test in the San Francisco School District,
at least this was the proposal, you'd still pass with
a twenty one, forty one gets you a C an
eighty or one hundred would both be an, So we'll
get to that. I always look for things that might
(26:07):
frighten you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Why I have enough fear.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I don't know. I'm sick that way, and this is
due and I don't know if this will keep you
up at night. But in the Swiss Alps there's a
little village called Blattin, and for days the people in
Blattin were warned that you have an unstable glacier looming
(26:31):
high above your homes. It could collapse, and so residents evacuated.
And a few days later, yesterday afternoon, the glacier collapse.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Oh well, good thing they left.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, everybody but one guy. One guy.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Is he dead?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well they're looking for him because three million cubic meters
of ice, rock, and mud fell on the town. Three
million cubic meters. That sounds like a lot. It broke
up under the weight of overlying rocks and buried the village.
It was a very pretty village. I'm sure you know.
(27:09):
He had the glacier behind you in this rock formation,
and the debris stretched for more than a mile. A
few structures survived, but then they got flooded out because
after the glacier fell, it blocked a river that flows
through the village. So at the river blocked, it started
backing up and flooding what had been destroyed by the glacier.
(27:33):
Ninety percent of the village buried. Oh high altitude snow melt.
It was part of it. But the precise trigger they
don't know. And there's one sixty four year old guy
can't find him.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
They that was the guy that didn't leave.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I guess, or he didn't run fast enough. I mean,
everyone else evacuated a few days before they had the warnings.
It's not like here in la where we don't get
the proper evacuation warnings.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Or we get the wrong ones.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Do we get the wrong ones? People in Altadena are
still waiting for a fire warning from January and they
never got it. So this guy is the only one
who didn't get it. It blocked the Lonza River, which
created the lake, and it just got it, just got
pushed down by overlying rocks.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
There's no safe place to really live.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, But what are the odds a glacier falls on
your head?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, that's really bad luck.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
He's the only guy I've ever heard of who got
crushed by a glacier.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It's just well, if he survives, he has something to
tell the grandkids.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I know it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It Apparently the rock, the facing of the rock was
encased in permafrost. It had degraded over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That's not how I would like to go. No, I mean,
I don't know how I would like to go.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
But that's flattened by glacier.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, you'd end up like one of those cartoon pancakes.
You'll just peel you up.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
That's how funny, John.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I know it's not funny. I feel terribly bad for
what happened to him.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Oh I can tell.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Hey, you left at this stuff too alight.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
We are a bad influence on me, as I've said
too many years working with you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I know. After three o'clock Richie Greenberg, he's a writer
and commentator and involved in politics up in San Francisco,
and we are going to have another good laugh over
San Francisco. Briefly considering having grading equity, grading equity where
if you get twenty one out of one hundred, you pass. Seriously,
(29:44):
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