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November 25, 2025 29 mins

The John Kobylt Show Hour 3 (11/25) - CA State Senator Tony Strickland comes on the show to talk about the DOJ suing the state of California over their mask ban for federal law enforcement agents. More on how California has an overspending problem. CA State Assemblyman Carl DeMaio says that a "vehicle mileage tax" is going to be hidden in your mortgage. California's new expensive 9-1-1 system is being scrapped because of how bad it is. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:02):
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on the iHeart app John Cobelt Show on Demand. All Right,
we're gonna you may have heard that the Trump Department
of Justice is suing Calia for its idiotic law telling
the federal government that the ice agents can't wear masks.
Still they're obsessed with the masks. So we're going to

(01:16):
talk with State Senator Tony Strickland about this lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Tony, how are you I'm good, John, how are you.
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I would think it's obvious common sense that a state
can't tell the federal government had address its law enforcement officers.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, I said that, if you remember, John, I said
that at the time, we have no jurisdiction over federal authorities,
and Governor knew some of these folks exempted the CHD
of which they do have jurisdiction over. So now it's
just a recavoc on our sheriffs and our police chiefs

(01:56):
at a time when we're having a hard time getting
people into law enforcement and field and all this does
it's a reckless piece of legislation. All it does is
allow those to harass and do what they can to
law enforcement agencies when they're just trying to do their job.
It's a reckless piece of legislation.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Are any state or local law enforcement officers actually trying
to enforce this against ice agents?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean, I haven't heard that anybody's tried.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't think they.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Look. I think Governor Newsom is all about running for
president to headline for him, and he doesn't really care
about what the outcome is on this stuff. I just
think that it's a reckless piece of legislation. We know,
as state legislators we have no authority over the federal government,
and they knew that when they're passed this legislation. I

(02:48):
think these folks are out of step with reality. And
when they passed the bill, again I reiterate, they exempted
the safety of what we do have jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Over right, so CHP can wear masks.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yes, yes, were the law. They exempted the HP. The
law exempted them. And again now now it applies, it
applies to undercover and folks in your your police chiefs
and your and your sheriffs. And and again I've been
active in public policy for now over over a decade,

(03:24):
I've never seen more opposition from law enforcement on a
peace of legislation than this one.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, it's dangerous for obvious reasons. I mean, there really
is a lot of docs and going on.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
If it's their families at risk, And as we talked
about it, when this passed, look at the skyrocketing assault
on ice agents. It almost gives them the government saying
it's okay to go after ice agents, which is totally unacceptable.
They're just doing their job.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, you know this, this this should prevail easily in court.
I think think it's it's like an absolute fact that
federal law trump's state law, and that no state can
tell the Feds what to do in a case like yours.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Of course your law student would understand that.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
So they I mean, and they know this. I mean,
certainly Rob Bonton, the Attorney General knows this.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Uh, and and.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
And so on purpose, they're they're just make their grand standing.
They're just making a political statement to manipulate the emotions
of the people who vote for these losers.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
But there's there's almost it's almost like they're encouraging people
to go after ICE agents.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
And that's why you know, right now assaults on ICE
agents are skyrocketing, and it's just totally unacceptable. These people
are just doing their job and they have a right
to go home to their families without being harassed. And
that's why they want to do it. They want to
identify these folks and they want to go after them
when they're off duty, and it puts them in harms

(04:58):
way as well as their families.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and there's a lot of people in the state
who don't understand that they are bad. They got badly
out voted in the twenty twenty four election. I mean,
you take California's numbers out of the national election cycle
and that the national election totals Trump won by a
very large amount both in.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
It and a big reason I say this to my
friends all the time, The big reason why he's in
the White House is he said he's going to he's
going to do whatever he can to curb the legal
immigration problem that we have here in this country. He's
going to close the border and he's going to get
the people out who commit crime, who come from other countries.
He said this pain on that issue.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
He said this, and he said it clearly. It was
his number one issue.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
He said it loudly, He said it as as as
as angrily as a person could. It was the first
issue he announced back in twenty fifteen when he came
down the escalator.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
So that too, he is shocked to nobody that he's
working to enforce our federal imigration laws again because there's
a correstone of his campaign.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
So Rick, you know, somebody ought to go online, do
the math.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Take the California votes out of the system, just look
at the other forty nine states and see how much
Trump won by across the country.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Or even in California. Take out Los Angeles County and
take out San Francisco and you'll see a different result.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I want to talk to you about the Legislative Analyst
Office up in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
They're supposed to be nonpartisan.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So they have an annual fiscal forecast for the Sacramento budget,
and there's an eighteen billion dollar budget deficit, and that's
much higher than originally predicted. A lot of this has
to do with illegal alien healthcare spending.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Talk about this, Oh, we're spending billions on a legal
alien healthcare. But you know it's to be shocked to
nobody when you spend more money than you take in
over a long period of time, just like any family budget.
We're and we bat maxed out our credit cards, John,
I mean, we borrowed thirty three billion dollars already, and

(07:06):
we don't get our physical house in order. We spend
money on things like the high streed rail a billion
dollars a year. We just spent three billion on a
new unaccountable agency called the Climate Agency. We keep spending
wasting dollars. California doesn't have a revenue problem as a
wasteful spending problem when when we're wasting dollars on things
like that in those programs and healthcare for illegals, but

(07:28):
now we're also not funding essential services, the basics. We're
not funding our infrastructure, We're not funding Pop thirty six
to keep us safe across the state of California. We're
not funding the basics that people expect from government, but
we're doing these ancillary things like funding healthcare for illegals
and spending billions of wasting billions of dollars on things
like the High Street rail.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
How long can this go on? I mean, I've read that.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I thought I thought we were passing tipicly a while ago. John,
It can't sustaining itself. It just can't because you can't
keep taxing. Because what happens is the wealthier folks have
the ability to leave, and a lot of them are.
It's the first time since California, in California, since the
gold Rush, more people are leaving the state of California
than coming in. Think about that since the gold Rush.

(08:17):
We're set to lose four to five House seats in
twenty thirty because people and their jobs are leading and
fleeing the State of California. Not because we don't have
the best weather in the world. We live in the
best place in the world. But it's a bad policy
from Gavin Newsom in the California legislature that are driving
these jobs away from the state of California. We have
an affordability crisis and a lot of it comes from

(08:39):
these unaccountable boarding agencies like California Air Resources Board, the
Coastal Commission. They're driving the cost of doing anything here
in California and so people can't afford it, and they're
leading to states like Montana that are frozen three months
a year.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
All right, Tony Strickland, State Centator, thank you for coming on.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Thanks for as always I really appreciate. Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
And to follow up what Toy said, when we come back,
I got to tell you about Gavin Newsom's billionaire tax.
He wants to text the two hundred and twenty billionaires
living in California, and it would be based on their
individual wealth, not their income. Their wealth and if they

(09:24):
try to leave next year after this tax passes, they're
going to be taxed on the wealth they had here
in twenty twenty five. With all this seems like ridiculously unconstitutional,
but then again, so is telling the federal government how
to address its ice officers. We'll talk about that when
we come back.

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You can be a cost on the show with me
sometime next year. All right, we just had Tony Strickland
on and he was talking about how the wild budget
deficit that Gavin Newsom has created.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You know, since Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Took over as governor, he's increased spending one hundred and
twenty four billion dollars a year. One hundred and twenty
four billion dollars. That is more money than Schwartzenegger's last
budget was. Schwartzenegger's last budget was about one hundred billion dollars.
Now Newsom's increase is one hundred and twenty four billion,

(11:34):
So they're way short of tax money. So they're they're
gonna need to raise taxes, and Newsom is pushing a
billionaire's tax on two hundred and twenty billionaires that were
living in California in twenty twenty five. The SEIU, the
Union is supporting this, and it would impose a five

(11:57):
percent tax on individual wealth that exceeds a billion dollars,
and it would be based on twenty twenty six net worth,
but it would apply to any billionaire who lived in
California in twenty twenty five. So if they passed the
tax and everybody wants to move out right away, they're
still supposed to pay because they were they lived here

(12:19):
last year.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I can't imagine that's legal, constitutional, or any of it.
And what do you think these people are gonna do.
They're going to move out. None of them have to
live here. It's incredibly stupid, incredibly stupid. I am some

(12:43):
irritated by people who go after billionaires, after successful people.
Jeff Beizos has too much money. Yeah, why didn't you
start Amazon? You lazy ass? Laid on the couch Guslin beer,
chomping on Doritos. This guy built Amazon. What did you do,
smart ass? Nothing? Same thing with most all right, you

(13:10):
send rockets up into orbit.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Go ahead, let me see it.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
You put together the only successful electric car company. Let's say, hey,
I about brain chips. Of course, Musk's brain chips wouldn't
help these people. They're so stupid. I just don't understand it.
You can't do anything that they do, but you want
to steal their money. Why is that they can't keep

(13:36):
the money they earned with their work, their inventions, their
businesses they built. Somehow you're supposed to get it, because
why because of all the beer you can drink on
a Sunday afternoon watching football. I don't I really don't
get it. And of course you know the union wants.
You know, this is government workers in this union, so

(13:58):
their professional parason. Katie Grimes in the California Globe said
that here are the states that residents have been fleeing
to for many years in great numbers because of low
tax or no income tax. Florida, Texas, Arizona, Idaho, Tennessee,
South Carolina, Nevada. Even Washington State, as liberal as it is,

(14:21):
has a much lower tax than we do.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
That's eight states. That's where they're going.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Chevron has moved out X, Twitter, SpaceX, Oracle, Hewlett Packard,
Charles Schwab, Toyota, Nissan. I can actually go through hundreds
and hundreds of companies that left. Listen to this statistic.
California loses a taxpayer every one minute in forty four seconds.

(14:50):
Every minute forty four a taxpayer leaves in New York
every two minutes and twenty three seconds. Low or no
income tax states gained three hundred and ninety one billion
dollars from California just during the first three years that

(15:11):
Newsom was governor. Rich people move, they take their companies
with them. It's one of the perks of being a billionaire,
and that's what they'll do. These things never work out.
Can't possibly be constitutional?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
All right?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
When we come back, Oh, there's a Oh Carl Demyo,
we're going to play you a clip that he posted.
There's another tax. This one isn't aimed at you, No,
this one is aimed at you. The billionaire's taxes at billionaires.
This one is aimed at you, and they're going to
hide it in your mortgage when you buy a new house,
based on how many miles they think you're going to

(15:52):
travel to work. Yeah, really shaking your head at that one.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And maybe maybe yeah, I'll sing you happy birthday.

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Carl Demile. We just told you how the Sacramento they're
way out of budget again even though they have record
tax revenues by far, and they want to pass a

(16:53):
billionaire's tax and take five percent of the wealth the
existing wealth of every billionaire above one billion dollars. And
there's two hundred and twenty billionaires who live in California,
and many of them are going to leave. In fact,
they know that they're going to leave the gavendusum because

(17:15):
the provision is this will pass in twenty twenty six,
but they have to pay the tax for what they
for what their net worth was in twenty twenty five.
So you can't move out in twenty twenty six and
avoid the tax because it's based on what you were
worth in twenty twenty five. And so they even if
they just get that one time hitting twenty twenty five,

(17:37):
you know they're going to take that. Then they're taxing
the rest of us. Instead of raising the gas tax,
they buried something called a Vehicle miles traveled Housing Tax
v MT.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It could add a significant.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Extra cost to any new home or apartment that you
buy starting in twenty twenty six. Carl Demiel the Assembly
and explain this in a post on x A VMT.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Now, you, as a driver, are not going to be
charged the mileage tax directly. Instead, they're going to start
increasing the cost of housing in California by charging every
developer who builds a house or housing project a mileage tax. Yeah,
you're saying, what, Carl, Houses don't drive on the road,

(18:40):
I know, unless you're an RV. They're basically saying is
that houses create drivers, and drivers therefore should.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Be paying for it.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
But we really don't have the guts now that people
like Demayo are out there causing a ruckus about the
direct approach to a mileage tax. Well, what if we
hit it in their mortgage payment? Do you understand how dishonest, sneaky,
corrupt these politicians are. Are you seeing it now? They
don't want you to know that they're robbing you blind.

(19:13):
So instead of charging you a mileage tax directly, they're
charging you a mileage tacks indirectly.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
They're saying, oh, it's the developer's fault.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
They're overpricing the home. The estimate three hundred and twenty
four thousand dollars per home or apartment built.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Three hundred and twenty.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Four thousand dollars per apartment unit or house built. That
is the price of a house in some states, in
most states, actually that's about the average for the nationwide average.
Into all of this, you wonder why California has a
cost of living crisis. The Transparency Foundation study shows living

(19:54):
in California imposes a twenty eight thousand and thirty seven
dollars and twenty eight cent cost of living penalty on
tipple typical middle class family. I. When you go down
to housing costs, the cost for housing is one hundred
and eight percent higher for homeowners, forty seven percent higher
for renters. You impose a three hundred thousand plus per
unit mileage tax that then has to be rolled into

(20:18):
the rent or the mortgage. And you were talking about
two hundred percent higher for homeowners and easily almost one
hundred percent higher for renters. Look at our gas costs
about forty seven per gas per per gallon higher. You
had a mileage tax onto that of six hundred and
nine or dollars per driver per year for fifteen thousand miles.

(20:40):
We're talking easily two to two fifty. These people that
they're they're robbers and thief.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's Carl Demile explaining a vehicle mileage tax that has
been embedded in a bill.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
It'll be embedded in your mortgage.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
You follow that, so you buy a house, you buy
a condo, and with you, you know, there's a long
list of payments and fees and this and that embedded
in there is a VMT eight vehicle miles traveled. So
we're going to talk more about this in the coming weeks.

(21:21):
This is supposed to hit on January first, twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
It could end up.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course
of your mortgage. There, I guess somehow going to figure
out how much mileage you're going to travel now based
on where you bought the house.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
See, they made.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
It complicated, so it's hard to explain. It's also so
shocking your brain doesn't want to accept it.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
But what Carl is saying is that they wouldn't charge
us a direct gas tax because there would be so
much public resistance. So they buried it in a mortgage tax,
figuring nobody was gonna notice, nobody was gonna understand it,
nobody was going to investigate it, nobody was going to
cover it in the media because they don't understand this stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
So how they got to the number who knows. But
the concept is, hey, you bought a house and now
you're going to be driving around to go places. Well
we're going to tax you for that driving around.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Originally they wanted to track your odometer and send you
a bill for the miles that young you rang up
on the odometer, but I guess that seems too intrusive
right now people get upset. So now they're just going
to say, oh, you're living there and you're working here,
Well we'll hide it in your mortgage payment. That's really
bad that's really evil. So will that's something to discuss

(22:48):
too when we come back. All right, you want to yes,
all right, how about just Alie, No birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Deborah, Happy birthday
to you.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yay.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
That was lovely, John, Thank you so much. I feel
so honored because he hates to sing.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know if that was singing exactly.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Wait, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
That made my whole day. It's the only the only
time ever I'm not singing ever again. Wow, John, I
have to say, no, no, you're not playing that back.
I have a recording, no not, but we're gonna be.
We can't even burn recordings anymore, John, Thank you.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
John brought me four vegan cupcakes. He did eat one
and he enjoyed it. And he brought me French fries
from in and Out and he sang, I mean, wow, now, no.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
More than's been a nice friend. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
You're listening to John Cobbels on demand from KFI Am sixty.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
So I want to we cover this hour.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
We covered this hour was that California has got another
massive budget deficit coming up for twenty twenty six, that
that Newsom has a tax for billionaires based on their wealth.
Taxing the wealth, not even their income for the year,
but their current total wealth, and that they have snuck

(24:21):
in some kind of vehicle miles traveled tax, which is
going to appear when you buy a house or a condo.
It's going to be part of your mortgage. They're going
to calculate how many miles you're going to be traveling
from that new house or apartment seriously, and then here's

(24:43):
what they spend the money on. In twenty eighteen, they
started a plan to build a new nine to one
to one system for the whole state. If you remember,
that was the camp fire. That was the fire that
ripped through Paradise. Eighty five people died, wiped out cell towers,

(25:06):
emergency communication and was shut off. So they worked on
a new nine to one one system and between twenty
nineteen and twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
This is.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Seven years, California paid four technology companies over four hundred
and fifty million dollars. It's called the next generation nine
to one to one system, a more advanced emergency communications tool,
enhanced location services, and new ways for the public to

(25:40):
communicate with first responders. Then the time came to turn
the system on. It doesn't work. Really, it doesn't work.
They switched on the new technology and they ran into
all kinds of disruptions. They stopped the rollout. The guy

(26:03):
who led the project is a man named Budge Courier, Yes,
a grown man named Budge.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
He has quit the agency.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
This is California OES Office of Emergency Services cal OES. Ultimately,
the agency decided to scrap the plan and go back
to the drawing board. This is after blowing four hundred

(26:32):
and fifty million dollars. They are now looking for new proposals.
They're going to listen to other vendors to build out
a second version of the system. It's going to cost
hundreds of millions of dollars. First one cost four hundred
and fifty million and it didn't work. So now they're
going to spend probably over five hundred million. Listen to

(26:56):
these quotes the Office of Emergency Services Chief Deputy Lisa Mangett.
I'll be the first to tell you that we don't
always get it right. But the status quo is not
an option. We don't always get it right. Seven years,
four hundred and fifty million. Here's another one. A spokeshole

(27:19):
named Anita Gore. Like any large scale, complex infrastructure project,
especially one that must maintain uninterrupted nine to one one
service for forty million Californians, we've encountered challenges that require
us to proceed thoughtfully and deliberately.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Boy, isn't that a pile of horse manure.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
We're taking the time to get this right, working closely
with our public safety partners to ensure the system meets
the high standards Californians deserve. We're taking our time to
get it right. It was seven years and four hundred
and fifty million, and they're going to be redoing exactly
what they've already built.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I'm not making this up. So who got wealthy?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Who are the companies who designed the first system that
didn't work? They took hundreds of millions of dollars. They're
laughing their asses off. The money is gone, and we
don't have the new nine to one to one system.
We still have the one from twenty eighteen, which didn't
work at least not for up Paradise. It's hard to believe,

(28:31):
but it's easy to believe. Everything is just corrupt out there,
and no investigations will be done into the people who
own those companies and spent the money and what their
political connections were. All right, we're done for the day.
Mark Thompson's coming in right for Conway. Louke Penrose will
be in tomorrow here and we'll see on Monday. We

(28:53):
got reruns during Thanksgiving, so you know you'll be entertained.
And you got the podcast. Oh yeah, listen to the
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. It's going to be released
in a matter of minutes and the first hour and
a half. It's about the State Parks Department admitting in
documents that they gave the Palisades attorneys that their policy

(29:15):
was to let a fire burn in Topanga State Park,
just north of the Palisades. The fire started in Topanga.
The policy was to let it burn, not making it up.
You listen to the show on the podcast. We've got
Michael Krazer live in the CAFI twenty four hour newsroom.

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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.

Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

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