June 19, 2025 • 31 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 3 (06/19) - Jaime Paige comes on the show to talk about the federal trial about LA's homeless problem and why librarians don't feel safe lately. More on why librarians don't feel safely lately.
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everywhere else. All right, let's get Jamie Page on. These
are two interesting stories. Westside Current dot com a good
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local news site, are on the West side of LA,
but it actually reverberates all over southern California with the
issues they cover, the incidents they cover. First thing we're
going to talk to Jamie about. Let's get her on.
How are you? I'm goodo oh, thank you very much so.
The lawsuit that we've been discussing for weeks now. This
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is a group of citizens and businesses called La Alliance
for Human Rights, and they've been after the city of
Los Angeles for at least five years to get the
homeless people finally off the streets and into some kind
of shelter. And the city never lives up to its promises.
There's been two settlements. The city has violated both settlements,
and now the federal judge in the case, David Carter,
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has held a trial and he's going to decide whether
to turn over the homeless bureaucracy here in La to
an outside receiver. Where are we with this?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yesterday was the final day that the legal filings could
be submitted for this case, and then Judge Carter will
be looking over the filings, and of course we had
that evidentiary hearing leading up to this in early June,
and then he will make his decision on the receivership.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I do want to say, though, we shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Get our whole up, because it was very clear during
those hearings that, however the judge decides, well, I should say,
if the judge decides for receivership, they're going to appeal
that to the Ninth Circuit, right, So.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's going to go through the whole appeals court process
here in California, it will Actually it's a federal judge, right,
so it would go, yeah, ninth Circuit, the ninth Circuit. Okay,
well he I mean, I mean he authorized this audit
that a company called Alvarez and Marsal did, and he
has accepted the findings of the audit that the city
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failed to track billions of dollars in homelessness over a
five year period and they don't know where a lot
of the money has gone. That is that the really
the beginning and end of the case here is they
They never really defended themselves or explain this, did they, Well, the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Audit was because the city kept not living up to
the settlement agreements and so fine, and he was frustrated
with that because they were suppot to hit a milestone
they didn't. They had an excuse, they as in the city.
So finally the judge said, okay, let's audit this. This
is what the La Alliance has been asking for, and
now I'm going to grant it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But have they explained it all where the billions of
dollars went? Did they say, oh, okay, we found it,
We've discovered the paperwork. I was in a computer file.
As far as I know, they never presented where the
money went after all this. In fact, they hired eleven
lawyers to make sure Karen Bass didn't have to testify
and answer any questions about it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was just going to say that not only can
we not find that billion dollars, we spent another million
defending the fact that we can't find the billion dollars,
which is how the city seems to be operating and
running these days. Yes, no, there's no accountability and it
was brought up over and over again during the hearings.
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Matt Zevos was on the stand for four days and
we went through a lot of contracts and receipts, and
I mean he testified over and over again that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
The city trailed failed to track the money.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And did anyone offer why they didn't track the money?
I mean, I had my theories, but what were what
were what was their reason?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So there wasn't a reason, although I judge Carter did
ask over and over again that how and why and
has the city gone after that money? A lot of
these are unpaid contracts or receipts we don't have, so
we asked them. You know, when I when I can't
find something, I look for it. Have you, as a
city looked for this? No answer was given under oath,
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but good questions from the judge about something that seems
very common sense.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, he seems very smart and down to earth on
this uh and asking the obvious questions and not getting
the answers. It also seems like he was getting impatient
with the whole mess.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Very impatient.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's exactly what I was going to say, is it
felt like he was at a point and he was
not during this evidentiary hearing because it was very obvious
again that the city was going to appeal. There was
over two thousand objections within the week and a half
time of this trial. I mean there were every time
a question was asked, there was an objection. I think
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one day there was we counted three hundred objections by
the city's attorneys.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And most overruled.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It came to the point where I think the people
who were listening and in the audience were also saying, overworld,
under our.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Abrupt can you possibly follow a conversation when one side
is objecting three hundred times? I mean, I mean, I
don't understand why that's permitted where where you where a
judge will just say, okay, you're abusing the process here,
this is excessive.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't have an answer for that, although I do
have to say I wouldn't. I had to go back
and read the transcripts just to wrap my head around
what was happening throughout the process. Again, because as I
don't know if you've saddened these, but there's an objection,
then we go back and forth and figure out and
he sometimes would consult about whether he could overrule, so
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there was a lot of down time figuring that out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
He was the only he's the only one judging this.
I mean, there's no jury, so there's no jury, right,
there's no jurors getting hopelessly confused because they don't have
any background in how the law works and what the
legal procedures are. It's just him and I think he's
around eighty years old, isn't he, So I'm assuming he
is seen and heard at all by now.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He has And I was just making that point because
those of us were trying to follow the case. I mean,
that's our job, right to make sure that we get
the facts right. And I should say that they the
lawyers were dragging this out on taxpayer dimes. We're talking
about nine attorneys twelve hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I believe there's a.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Million dollar cap or nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Still, that's our money in that.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Front, right, is the our money. That's an outside law firm.
And then Bass had a couple of city attorneys there
as well. So there's at least eleven attorneys. And it
seems primarily just to follow up the case so that
the judge can't understand what the testimony is and that
Karen Bass never has to sit there and tell the
truth under oath. I guess that's what you need to
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need eleven of them.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It was a very long process, very long process.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, so he could issue a decision anytime between now
and the end of June.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's what we've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I talked to LA Alliance yesterday and that was the
time frame that they gave me. They think in a
couple of weeks time we should hear something.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
How are they feeling about how they were able to
present the case and the way the judge treated their arguments.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Again, the judge didn't treat it anyway there during this
last hearing, although he did get frustrated, and it feels
like he sided with them when he did call for
this evidentiary hearing.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think they put on a good case.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, again, there's a lot of evidence to show
that the city failed, that there's a billion dollars missing
just the city alone. I mean there's also that same
figure for the County Losa loss receipts you count in
more than once, and that was under oath that that
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during a time that Lassa would sometimes make up numbers
and make the mayor look good, so that he was
part of a testimony. So a lot of information came
to light that we would not have had if it
wasn't for this case in La Alliance.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Do you know if there's federal money involved in what
BASS and Loss of spends.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I don't know. That's a good question because Phillis.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Saley said he was going to do the EUS attorney
was going to do an investigation and if there's any
federal money that he's going to find out if there's
something criminal federal crimes that can be charged.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, I do know that too, and that's a good question.
I know some of the beds were counting HUD money
was used for that, so that very well could be
something that plays out because all of those beds are
evidence in this court hearing.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Can you hang on another segment? I want to talk
to you about the librarians at the librarians who are
frightened to work in the library now because of all
the crazy people, the vagrants and the mental patients, and
the drug addicts and the lunatics and the pedophiles who
now inhabit libraries and the surrounding areas. All right, more
with Jamie Page from Westside Current dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
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the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. We continue with that.
Jamie Page from Westside Current dot Com just were talking
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about the lawsuit that a citizen and business group launched
against the city, demanding to know where the billions of
dollars went for homeless and so far even after an audit,
no one can explain it, and city officials are admitting
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they didn't even look. They lost billions of dollars and
didn't bother to find out where it all went. Now,
second story that Jamie co wrote here in the Westside
Current with Rachel Gaudiassi is about librarians suddenly saying they're
not safe. They don't feel safe. There's all kinds of
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really scary incidents happening. Jamie, why don't you tell us
about a couple of the story that you encountered.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It first got my attention when the librarians. I was
sitting in on a city council and the meeting last October,
and several of them had taken time during public comment
to talk about how scary it was going to work.
One librarian even said that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She was fearful somebody was going to die.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They were talking about trespassing, robbery incidents where there were
sexual alleged sexual assaults that could have taken place. So
we started looking into this. The first thing we did
was file from nine to one one request from LAPD.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We just got those logs back. But just two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Ago I talked to a woman who went in to
go check out a book, ended up having her car
smashed in by somebody who was having a.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Breakdown or an episode outside.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
She went back inside and the librarians begged her to
call nine, saying this happens all the time. We need
people to call the police so that somebody listens.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You write that. At the West La Branch eleven three
sixty Santa Monica Boulevard, the LNPD responded to ninety eight
emergency calls in two years at a library violent disturbances, overdoses, narcotics, robbery,
sexual assault, child endangerment, apparent mental illness, intoxication, and even
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printed a list of the calls.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's one page of three by the way, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Tiny print here. I mean yeah, one hundred, almost one
hundred calls in two years at one library location.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The list goes on, yes, yes, seventy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Nine calls at the Woodland Hills Branch on Ventura Boulevard, trespassing, robbery, disturbances,
seventy nine calls, I guess in two years. And you
have you have other libraries and other similar statistics.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When you take the calendar day, you know they have holidays,
it's all of these.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
When the libraries closed that's a lot of calls for
how many times in shas it's open.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I hate to be like not sympathetic, but for decades
the librarians have been accepting, in fact defending the rights
of anybody to come into the library and do whatever
they want, even when they were leaving doing drugs, injecting
themselves and leaving the needles behind in the restrooms, when
they were watching porn all day on the computers, the
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librarians were acting like you were out of line if
you complained about it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yes, I have talked to folks who feel that way too,
and that does happen. But a lot of librarians I
talked to who would not go on the record with
me but did talk some on background, had said that
this is the system and that if they speak out
against it or don't enforce what they're told to that
they're fearful of losing their jobs or retaliation.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, so there's like a progressive choke hold on the
library industry and the librarian's ah, you can't even complain
if somebody's ejecting heroin. You can't complain if somebody's watching
porn while while school children are walking by Yeah, what
a weird cult this is. That is a sick o
cult and it infested the libraries of all places. Let
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me read you quick, let me read you what you
opened the story with. This is August ninth, twenty twenty three,
Santa Monica police showed up for at the Ocean Park branch.
A library employee attempted to wake a homeless man sleeping
near the front doors, found him badly injured and unresponsive.
He'd suffered blunt forced trauma to his face and head,
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and they took him to the hospital. He was in
critical condition. Then they found another man loitered around the
same break. The police approached him, also homeless. He was combative, arrested,
and he was accused of attempted murder and sell any
battery and a police officer. This is at the same
branch on the same day, the Ocean Park branch in
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Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And if you know that library, it's just a very small,
cute library with a lot of kids programs that go on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But this also.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Takes place a lot lawn Beach, which is not in
our city system, but still a library. They were forced
to close down for a while while they had to
figure out what to do about the transient situation. Not
their library.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The librarians are so afraid of their bosses, so afraid
of the people in charge of the library system in
Los Angeles, that they will not make a stink and
they just hope every day they don't get killed.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
A lot of I.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Actually I didn't speak to anybody who didn't say otherwise,
And I spoke to a lot of librarian who said this,
that we're afraid to speak out. There were those few
who spoke out at Sydney Council. I got them on
the record, but as a whole, they're all afraid of speaking.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Out against the system.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The system. But the systems are made up of people.
I wish I got somebody would name the people who
make the threats against them. All right, Jamie, I got
to do the news. Thank you for coming on again.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Sure, yes, of course, Happy birthday again.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh thank you, Jamie Page Westside Current dot Com. I
can't believe this, but we have to take a news break.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
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all day birthday celebrations. Yes, it's John's birthday. Happy birthday. Well,
thank you very much. He actually ate a vegan cupcake
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and then he had what he calls a real cake.
That's right, Well it was a real My cupcakes were
real too. No, they were real vegan cakes. That makes
no sense. I thought, it actually makes perfect sense. They're real,
they're vegan, and they're cupcakes. Yeah, but they're not real cupcakes.
Yes they are. This is going to go on till
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we're dead. It will then AI are AI versions will
still be that's right, they'll be arguing about this one
hundred years from now. Well, we just had Jamie Page
on from Westside Current, uh and a couple of stories.
But the last one we did was she wrote a
piece Westside Current dot com about librarians and la claiming
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they no longer feel safe. And I found that I
actually bust out laughing when I first saw the story.
It's like, are you kidding me? They've been on the
front lines of insisting that it doesn't matter if disgusting
men show up and injectin in the library, leave the
needles in the bathrooms for the kids to sit on,
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to walk in unclothed, unbathed, sit at consoles, at computer terminals,
and watch porn and just you know, fall asleep and
stink up the library. This has been going on for decades,
and the librarians wouldn't do anything about it, And so
now I hear the story, and I just want to
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go through the lead story again if you're just joining us.
August ninth to twenty twenty three, this is one example.
Santa Monica police officers the Ocean Park branch there was
a homeless guy sleeping near the front door who was
badly injured and unresponsive. He'd suffered blunt forced trauma to
his face and head. And then a few hours later,
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another guy outside the same branch, the same doors, another vagrant.
When police approached him, he was combative, are and booked
un attempted murder and fell any battery on a police officer.
And I can go on and on with these stories.
In fact, they said they had three pages of emergency
calls at the West Los Angeles Branch on Santa Monica
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Boulevard eleven three sixty ninety eight emergency calls in the
last two years, and they printed one page of the
three pages of all the emergency calls. And I go
on reading in the story and there's one woman, a librarian.
I'm not going to mention her name because she didn't
want her last name used. I'm not even going to
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use her first name. So she's a librarian. And she says,
it's scary. We have nowhere to turn. We aren't protected.
These aren't just numbers, she said. There was a fire
at her branch, not the first fires. The homeless are
setting fires at the library and the city does nothing
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about it. Patrons batheing in restrooms. Come on, there's a
homeless guy taking off his clothes and washing himself, probably
washing his genitals in the sink in the library that
you're supposed to take your kid too for story time.
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And Karen Vass does nothing about this. This is normal. Finally,
in October, library workers went to a city council meeting.
Those psychotic clowns, violence, verbal abuse, harassment. They wanted it stopped.
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Susan says, not only people bathing in restrooms. They were
injecting drugs in the study areas. I guess while kids
are doing homework and leaving behind used needles and bodily fluids.
What what? What? It's constant you trying to stay calm,
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but it wears on you. You know, there's nobody protesting the
streets over this. You know why because there's no money
in it. No, there's no activist group paying. That's how
I know all these protesters are largely paid. Because this
stuff is so disgusting, so enraging, and yet nobody protests
because protesting is pointless. Protesting never brings about any change.
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That's a myth, that's a fable. You do it because
you get paid and an or in this narcissistic age.
It gives you some meaning. It makes you feel important,
like you're part of a cause. Actually you're just wasting
your time. The people who ought to be complaining are
afraid to. And the teachers, the teachers, the librarians claim
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that it's you know, they don't want to get retaliated against,
They don't want to get fired. Okay, so who's in
charge of the LA Public Library? Boy, I'd like to
spend a lot of time on this. I'm going to
start naming names here. So the guy who's the chief
city librarian is a guy named John F. Zabo Szabo,
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And he's in charge of the largest population of any
public library in the US, because LA is four million people,
the central library and seventy two branches. And he has
all this experience in Atlanta, Clearwater, Palm Harbor, got a
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master's degree in information and library studies, a bachelor's degree,
he completed a senior executive program. Blah blah blah blah bah.
All right, he's got all these credits on him, and
all those credits, and he doesn't do anything to stop
guys bathing in restrooms, injecting drugs and study areas and
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leaving behind their US natals and bodily fluids. Zabo does
nothing about that. But look how well educated he is,
Look how credentialed he is. Says here in January twenty
twenty three, he talk to the LA Times and says
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that there's an evolving role of public libraries. It's not
for your kids to read books. Apparently we say yes
to a lot of things. I love the fact that
people can see the library as part of the solution
to a community issue. But how much social work is enough?
How far do we go with adult education? The vision
of the library is to serve all Angelinos. You mean
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it's to let a guy wash to bathe his naked
body in the restroom. That's part of adult education. That's
something children are supposed to winness. John Zabo, you're a
whack job. You are a total whack job. Where did
these librarians come from? So Zebo says, we say yes
to a lot of things, like like injecting drugs and
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study areas. Yes, yes, let's allow that, leaving behind used
needles and bodily fluids. John Zabo says, yes, yes, we
say yes to a lot of things. This is service
to all Angelinos. Letting a drug addicted Angelino defecate and
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urinate in the library and then wash off any excess
in the rest room. That's the John F. Zabel philosophy.
When we come back, gonna name names about the Santa
Monica nut job that as director in the library there
because if you talk to the employees, or Jamie Page says,
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what's in her article is they're afraid of management that
they're going to get fired. To reach retaliated against well
John F. Zabo's management. And I'll tell you what lunatic
is running the Santa Monica Library system, and how any
parents sitting at home in La or Santa Monica. You
hear this, you can read this, and you're not on
the phone with these crackpots and insisting that they that
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they leave town immediately. I don't know, I don't know.
The world is really changed a lot. It just overwhelms me.
I remember when my kids were little and I used
to take them to storytime at the libraries and none
of this was going on. You couldn't imagine this.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
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Speaker 1 (25:45):
God. I just I never thought there would come a
day where we'd have to go after librarians. And I'm
talking about the head librarians in Los Angeles and Santa Monica.
Because there was quite a story in the West Side Current,
Westside Current dot com about all the disgusting, dangerous behavior
that's been going on in libraries. And I know this
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has been going on for many years, but they've encapsulated it.
You know, LAPD had ninety eight emergency calls in two
years at the West Los Angeles branch on Santa Monica
Boulevard and seventy nine at the Woodland Hills branch on
Ventura Boulevard, all in a two year period, and they
quoted this this nutjob, I didn't know. The head librarian
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is John Zabo, and he says that modern librarianship includes
overdose response, behavioral crisis management, and trauma informed care. This
is to deal with all the whacked out drug addicts
and mental patient homeless people that they let in the
library instead of throwing them out. This Zabo says, the
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mission of the library is to serve all Angelinos. Tomorrow,
I'm going to find out how much this guy makes.
His counterpart in Santa Monica is Erica Kiagan, eighteen years.
She started as a teenager or a teen services librarian
in two thousand and six, and she allows all this insanity.
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The first story in the Westside Current was Santa Monica
police officers finding a homeless guy sleeping near the front doors,
and by midday there was a second guy outside the
library and the suspect became combative. He was arrested and
booked on multiple charges, including attempted murder and felony battery.
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John Alley, who's a businessman and an activist in Santa Monica.
We've had him on the show. He's founder of the
Santa Monica Coalition, has documented repeatedly online safety hazards at
Santa Monica libraries. Said that residents and library board members
have to navigate pasted on altercation just to enter the
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main library for a scheduled meeting. Guards and maintenance workers
tell us this is routine. Santa Monica's main and branch
public libraries are not properly funded for security staffing for
even normal operating hours. Ali has chronicled incidents involving neth use,
public harassment, physical violence. Is Erica Kyagan does she care
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about this? She's another one with a bunch of degrees.
They all got college degrees. But she's letting people light
up their meth pipes and they get violent on property,
on the library property, he described. John Allie described users
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lighting up in the library courtyards, frightening families and deterring students,
so kids can't go and read books, check out books,
do their homework because there is a meth addict, terrifying
families in the courtyards. He told council members to witness
the condition's firsthand by visiting the libraries during weekday hours.
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Erica Kyagan and John F. Zabo, they are the library
heads in Santa Monica and Los Angeles, and they have
allowed the libraries to become outdoor mental institutions and indoor
mental institutions, not only the courtyards and the steps around
the libraries, but in the libraries themselves. And the guys
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are watching porn, and they're rejecting drugs, and they're naked
bathing themselves in the bathroom, and they're leaving bodily fluids
around the library and that's okay with John Zabo and
Erica Kyagan, and all the regular librarians are afraid to
complain because they'll in trouble, they might get fired in libraries,
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children's libraries. This can't be. This is absolutely beyond insanity.
And apparently it's gone on for years. I'm sure they've
gotten hundreds of complaints. There must be a few normal
people left. I just don't understand, really really, And they
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go to the city council and complain about this. LA
City Council, Santa Monica City Council, and all these progressive
nut jobs. What are they scold the parents who complain
you're being intolerant. This doesn't go on anywhere else. This
doesn't The whole state is an insane asylum. Now Conway's
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coming in and we'll be back tomorrow at one o'clock.
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local news site, are on the West side of LA,
but it actually reverberates all over southern California with the
issues they cover, the incidents they cover. First thing we're
going to talk to Jamie about. Let's get her on.
How are you? I'm goodo oh, thank you very much so.
The lawsuit that we've been discussing for weeks now. This
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is a group of citizens and businesses called La Alliance
for Human Rights, and they've been after the city of
Los Angeles for at least five years to get the
homeless people finally off the streets and into some kind
of shelter. And the city never lives up to its promises.
There's been two settlements. The city has violated both settlements,
and now the federal judge in the case, David Carter,
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has held a trial and he's going to decide whether
to turn over the homeless bureaucracy here in La to
an outside receiver. Where are we with this?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yesterday was the final day that the legal filings could
be submitted for this case, and then Judge Carter will
be looking over the filings, and of course we had
that evidentiary hearing leading up to this in early June,
and then he will make his decision on the receivership.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I do want to say, though, we shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Get our whole up, because it was very clear during
those hearings that, however the judge decides, well, I should say,
if the judge decides for receivership, they're going to appeal
that to the Ninth Circuit, right, So.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's going to go through the whole appeals court process
here in California, it will Actually it's a federal judge, right,
so it would go, yeah, ninth Circuit, the ninth Circuit. Okay,
well he I mean, I mean he authorized this audit
that a company called Alvarez and Marsal did, and he
has accepted the findings of the audit that the city
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failed to track billions of dollars in homelessness over a
five year period and they don't know where a lot
of the money has gone. That is that the really
the beginning and end of the case here is they
They never really defended themselves or explain this, did they, Well, the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Audit was because the city kept not living up to
the settlement agreements and so fine, and he was frustrated
with that because they were suppot to hit a milestone
they didn't. They had an excuse, they as in the city.
So finally the judge said, okay, let's audit this. This
is what the La Alliance has been asking for, and
now I'm going to grant it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But have they explained it all where the billions of
dollars went? Did they say, oh, okay, we found it,
We've discovered the paperwork. I was in a computer file.
As far as I know, they never presented where the
money went after all this. In fact, they hired eleven
lawyers to make sure Karen Bass didn't have to testify
and answer any questions about it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was just going to say that not only can
we not find that billion dollars, we spent another million
defending the fact that we can't find the billion dollars,
which is how the city seems to be operating and
running these days. Yes, no, there's no accountability and it
was brought up over and over again during the hearings.
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Matt Zevos was on the stand for four days and
we went through a lot of contracts and receipts, and
I mean he testified over and over again that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
The city trailed failed to track the money.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And did anyone offer why they didn't track the money?
I mean, I had my theories, but what were what
were what was their reason?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So there wasn't a reason, although I judge Carter did
ask over and over again that how and why and
has the city gone after that money? A lot of
these are unpaid contracts or receipts we don't have, so
we asked them. You know, when I when I can't
find something, I look for it. Have you, as a
city looked for this? No answer was given under oath,
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but good questions from the judge about something that seems
very common sense.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, he seems very smart and down to earth on
this uh and asking the obvious questions and not getting
the answers. It also seems like he was getting impatient
with the whole mess.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Very impatient.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's exactly what I was going to say, is it
felt like he was at a point and he was
not during this evidentiary hearing because it was very obvious
again that the city was going to appeal. There was
over two thousand objections within the week and a half
time of this trial. I mean there were every time
a question was asked, there was an objection. I think
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one day there was we counted three hundred objections by
the city's attorneys.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And most overruled.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It came to the point where I think the people
who were listening and in the audience were also saying, overworld,
under our.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Abrupt can you possibly follow a conversation when one side
is objecting three hundred times? I mean, I mean, I
don't understand why that's permitted where where you where a
judge will just say, okay, you're abusing the process here,
this is excessive.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't have an answer for that, although I do
have to say I wouldn't. I had to go back
and read the transcripts just to wrap my head around
what was happening throughout the process. Again, because as I
don't know if you've saddened these, but there's an objection,
then we go back and forth and figure out and
he sometimes would consult about whether he could overrule, so
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there was a lot of down time figuring that out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
He was the only he's the only one judging this.
I mean, there's no jury, so there's no jury, right,
there's no jurors getting hopelessly confused because they don't have
any background in how the law works and what the
legal procedures are. It's just him and I think he's
around eighty years old, isn't he, So I'm assuming he
is seen and heard at all by now.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He has And I was just making that point because
those of us were trying to follow the case. I mean,
that's our job, right to make sure that we get
the facts right. And I should say that they the
lawyers were dragging this out on taxpayer dimes. We're talking
about nine attorneys twelve hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I believe there's a.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Million dollar cap or nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Still, that's our money in that.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Front, right, is the our money. That's an outside law firm.
And then Bass had a couple of city attorneys there
as well. So there's at least eleven attorneys. And it
seems primarily just to follow up the case so that
the judge can't understand what the testimony is and that
Karen Bass never has to sit there and tell the
truth under oath. I guess that's what you need to
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need eleven of them.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It was a very long process, very long process.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, so he could issue a decision anytime between now
and the end of June.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's what we've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I talked to LA Alliance yesterday and that was the
time frame that they gave me. They think in a
couple of weeks time we should hear something.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
How are they feeling about how they were able to
present the case and the way the judge treated their arguments.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Again, the judge didn't treat it anyway there during this
last hearing, although he did get frustrated, and it feels
like he sided with them when he did call for
this evidentiary hearing.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think they put on a good case.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, again, there's a lot of evidence to show
that the city failed, that there's a billion dollars missing
just the city alone. I mean there's also that same
figure for the County Losa loss receipts you count in
more than once, and that was under oath that that
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during a time that Lassa would sometimes make up numbers
and make the mayor look good, so that he was
part of a testimony. So a lot of information came
to light that we would not have had if it
wasn't for this case in La Alliance.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Do you know if there's federal money involved in what
BASS and Loss of spends.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I don't know. That's a good question because Phillis.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Saley said he was going to do the EUS attorney
was going to do an investigation and if there's any
federal money that he's going to find out if there's
something criminal federal crimes that can be charged.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, I do know that too, and that's a good question.
I know some of the beds were counting HUD money
was used for that, so that very well could be
something that plays out because all of those beds are
evidence in this court hearing.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Can you hang on another segment? I want to talk
to you about the librarians at the librarians who are
frightened to work in the library now because of all
the crazy people, the vagrants and the mental patients, and
the drug addicts and the lunatics and the pedophiles who
now inhabit libraries and the surrounding areas. All right, more
with Jamie Page from Westside Current dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
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Jamie Page from Westside Current dot Com just were talking
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about the lawsuit that a citizen and business group launched
against the city, demanding to know where the billions of
dollars went for homeless and so far even after an audit,
no one can explain it, and city officials are admitting
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they didn't even look. They lost billions of dollars and
didn't bother to find out where it all went. Now,
second story that Jamie co wrote here in the Westside
Current with Rachel Gaudiassi is about librarians suddenly saying they're
not safe. They don't feel safe. There's all kinds of
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really scary incidents happening. Jamie, why don't you tell us
about a couple of the story that you encountered.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It first got my attention when the librarians. I was
sitting in on a city council and the meeting last October,
and several of them had taken time during public comment
to talk about how scary it was going to work.
One librarian even said that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She was fearful somebody was going to die.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They were talking about trespassing, robbery incidents where there were
sexual alleged sexual assaults that could have taken place. So
we started looking into this. The first thing we did
was file from nine to one one request from LAPD.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We just got those logs back. But just two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Ago I talked to a woman who went in to
go check out a book, ended up having her car
smashed in by somebody who was having a.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Breakdown or an episode outside.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
She went back inside and the librarians begged her to
call nine, saying this happens all the time. We need
people to call the police so that somebody listens.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You write that. At the West La Branch eleven three
sixty Santa Monica Boulevard, the LNPD responded to ninety eight
emergency calls in two years at a library violent disturbances, overdoses, narcotics, robbery,
sexual assault, child endangerment, apparent mental illness, intoxication, and even
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printed a list of the calls.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's one page of three by the way, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Tiny print here. I mean yeah, one hundred, almost one
hundred calls in two years at one library location.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The list goes on, yes, yes, seventy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Nine calls at the Woodland Hills Branch on Ventura Boulevard, trespassing, robbery, disturbances,
seventy nine calls, I guess in two years. And you
have you have other libraries and other similar statistics.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When you take the calendar day, you know they have holidays,
it's all of these.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
When the libraries closed that's a lot of calls for
how many times in shas it's open.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I hate to be like not sympathetic, but for decades
the librarians have been accepting, in fact defending the rights
of anybody to come into the library and do whatever
they want, even when they were leaving doing drugs, injecting
themselves and leaving the needles behind in the restrooms, when
they were watching porn all day on the computers, the
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librarians were acting like you were out of line if
you complained about it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yes, I have talked to folks who feel that way too,
and that does happen. But a lot of librarians I
talked to who would not go on the record with
me but did talk some on background, had said that
this is the system and that if they speak out
against it or don't enforce what they're told to that
they're fearful of losing their jobs or retaliation.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, so there's like a progressive choke hold on the
library industry and the librarian's ah, you can't even complain
if somebody's ejecting heroin. You can't complain if somebody's watching
porn while while school children are walking by Yeah, what
a weird cult this is. That is a sick o
cult and it infested the libraries of all places. Let
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me read you quick, let me read you what you
opened the story with. This is August ninth, twenty twenty three,
Santa Monica police showed up for at the Ocean Park branch.
A library employee attempted to wake a homeless man sleeping
near the front doors, found him badly injured and unresponsive.
He'd suffered blunt forced trauma to his face and head,
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and they took him to the hospital. He was in
critical condition. Then they found another man loitered around the
same break. The police approached him, also homeless. He was combative, arrested,
and he was accused of attempted murder and sell any
battery and a police officer. This is at the same
branch on the same day, the Ocean Park branch in
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Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And if you know that library, it's just a very small,
cute library with a lot of kids programs that go on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But this also.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Takes place a lot lawn Beach, which is not in
our city system, but still a library. They were forced
to close down for a while while they had to
figure out what to do about the transient situation. Not
their library.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The librarians are so afraid of their bosses, so afraid
of the people in charge of the library system in
Los Angeles, that they will not make a stink and
they just hope every day they don't get killed.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
A lot of I.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Actually I didn't speak to anybody who didn't say otherwise,
And I spoke to a lot of librarian who said this,
that we're afraid to speak out. There were those few
who spoke out at Sydney Council. I got them on
the record, but as a whole, they're all afraid of speaking.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Out against the system.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The system. But the systems are made up of people.
I wish I got somebody would name the people who
make the threats against them. All right, Jamie, I got
to do the news. Thank you for coming on again.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Sure, yes, of course, Happy birthday again.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh thank you, Jamie Page Westside Current dot Com. I
can't believe this, but we have to take a news break.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
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thank you very much. He actually ate a vegan cupcake
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and then he had what he calls a real cake.
That's right, Well it was a real My cupcakes were
real too. No, they were real vegan cakes. That makes
no sense. I thought, it actually makes perfect sense. They're real,
they're vegan, and they're cupcakes. Yeah, but they're not real cupcakes.
Yes they are. This is going to go on till
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we're dead. It will then AI are AI versions will
still be that's right, they'll be arguing about this one
hundred years from now. Well, we just had Jamie Page
on from Westside Current, uh and a couple of stories.
But the last one we did was she wrote a
piece Westside Current dot com about librarians and la claiming
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they no longer feel safe. And I found that I
actually bust out laughing when I first saw the story.
It's like, are you kidding me? They've been on the
front lines of insisting that it doesn't matter if disgusting
men show up and injectin in the library, leave the
needles in the bathrooms for the kids to sit on,
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to walk in unclothed, unbathed, sit at consoles, at computer terminals,
and watch porn and just you know, fall asleep and
stink up the library. This has been going on for decades,
and the librarians wouldn't do anything about it, And so
now I hear the story, and I just want to
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go through the lead story again if you're just joining us.
August ninth to twenty twenty three, this is one example.
Santa Monica police officers the Ocean Park branch there was
a homeless guy sleeping near the front door who was
badly injured and unresponsive. He'd suffered blunt forced trauma to
his face and head. And then a few hours later,
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another guy outside the same branch, the same doors, another vagrant.
When police approached him, he was combative, are and booked
un attempted murder and fell any battery on a police officer.
And I can go on and on with these stories.
In fact, they said they had three pages of emergency
calls at the West Los Angeles Branch on Santa Monica
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Boulevard eleven three sixty ninety eight emergency calls in the
last two years, and they printed one page of the
three pages of all the emergency calls. And I go
on reading in the story and there's one woman, a librarian.
I'm not going to mention her name because she didn't
want her last name used. I'm not even going to
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use her first name. So she's a librarian. And she says,
it's scary. We have nowhere to turn. We aren't protected.
These aren't just numbers, she said. There was a fire
at her branch, not the first fires. The homeless are
setting fires at the library and the city does nothing
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about it. Patrons batheing in restrooms. Come on, there's a
homeless guy taking off his clothes and washing himself, probably
washing his genitals in the sink in the library that
you're supposed to take your kid too for story time.
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And Karen Vass does nothing about this. This is normal. Finally,
in October, library workers went to a city council meeting.
Those psychotic clowns, violence, verbal abuse, harassment. They wanted it stopped.
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Susan says, not only people bathing in restrooms. They were
injecting drugs in the study areas. I guess while kids
are doing homework and leaving behind used needles and bodily fluids.
What what? What? It's constant you trying to stay calm,
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but it wears on you. You know, there's nobody protesting the
streets over this. You know why because there's no money
in it. No, there's no activist group paying. That's how
I know all these protesters are largely paid. Because this
stuff is so disgusting, so enraging, and yet nobody protests
because protesting is pointless. Protesting never brings about any change.
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That's a myth, that's a fable. You do it because
you get paid and an or in this narcissistic age.
It gives you some meaning. It makes you feel important,
like you're part of a cause. Actually you're just wasting
your time. The people who ought to be complaining are
afraid to. And the teachers, the teachers, the librarians claim
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that it's you know, they don't want to get retaliated against,
They don't want to get fired. Okay, so who's in
charge of the LA Public Library? Boy, I'd like to
spend a lot of time on this. I'm going to
start naming names here. So the guy who's the chief
city librarian is a guy named John F. Zabo Szabo,
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And he's in charge of the largest population of any
public library in the US, because LA is four million people,
the central library and seventy two branches. And he has
all this experience in Atlanta, Clearwater, Palm Harbor, got a
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master's degree in information and library studies, a bachelor's degree,
he completed a senior executive program. Blah blah blah blah bah.
All right, he's got all these credits on him, and
all those credits, and he doesn't do anything to stop
guys bathing in restrooms, injecting drugs and study areas and
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leaving behind their US natals and bodily fluids. Zabo does
nothing about that. But look how well educated he is,
Look how credentialed he is. Says here in January twenty
twenty three, he talk to the LA Times and says
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that there's an evolving role of public libraries. It's not
for your kids to read books. Apparently we say yes
to a lot of things. I love the fact that
people can see the library as part of the solution
to a community issue. But how much social work is enough?
How far do we go with adult education? The vision
of the library is to serve all Angelinos. You mean
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it's to let a guy wash to bathe his naked
body in the restroom. That's part of adult education. That's
something children are supposed to winness. John Zabo, you're a
whack job. You are a total whack job. Where did
these librarians come from? So Zebo says, we say yes
to a lot of things, like like injecting drugs and
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study areas. Yes, yes, let's allow that, leaving behind used
needles and bodily fluids. John Zabo says, yes, yes, we
say yes to a lot of things. This is service
to all Angelinos. Letting a drug addicted Angelino defecate and
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urinate in the library and then wash off any excess
in the rest room. That's the John F. Zabel philosophy.
When we come back, gonna name names about the Santa
Monica nut job that as director in the library there
because if you talk to the employees, or Jamie Page says,
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what's in her article is they're afraid of management that
they're going to get fired. To reach retaliated against well
John F. Zabo's management. And I'll tell you what lunatic
is running the Santa Monica Library system, and how any
parents sitting at home in La or Santa Monica. You
hear this, you can read this, and you're not on
the phone with these crackpots and insisting that they that
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they leave town immediately. I don't know, I don't know.
The world is really changed a lot. It just overwhelms me.
I remember when my kids were little and I used
to take them to storytime at the libraries and none
of this was going on. You couldn't imagine this.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
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Speaker 1 (25:45):
God. I just I never thought there would come a
day where we'd have to go after librarians. And I'm
talking about the head librarians in Los Angeles and Santa Monica.
Because there was quite a story in the West Side Current,
Westside Current dot com about all the disgusting, dangerous behavior
that's been going on in libraries. And I know this
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has been going on for many years, but they've encapsulated it.
You know, LAPD had ninety eight emergency calls in two
years at the West Los Angeles branch on Santa Monica
Boulevard and seventy nine at the Woodland Hills branch on
Ventura Boulevard, all in a two year period, and they
quoted this this nutjob, I didn't know. The head librarian
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is John Zabo, and he says that modern librarianship includes
overdose response, behavioral crisis management, and trauma informed care. This
is to deal with all the whacked out drug addicts
and mental patient homeless people that they let in the
library instead of throwing them out. This Zabo says, the
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mission of the library is to serve all Angelinos. Tomorrow,
I'm going to find out how much this guy makes.
His counterpart in Santa Monica is Erica Kiagan, eighteen years.
She started as a teenager or a teen services librarian
in two thousand and six, and she allows all this insanity.
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The first story in the Westside Current was Santa Monica
police officers finding a homeless guy sleeping near the front doors,
and by midday there was a second guy outside the
library and the suspect became combative. He was arrested and
booked on multiple charges, including attempted murder and felony battery.
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John Alley, who's a businessman and an activist in Santa Monica.
We've had him on the show. He's founder of the
Santa Monica Coalition, has documented repeatedly online safety hazards at
Santa Monica libraries. Said that residents and library board members
have to navigate pasted on altercation just to enter the
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main library for a scheduled meeting. Guards and maintenance workers
tell us this is routine. Santa Monica's main and branch
public libraries are not properly funded for security staffing for
even normal operating hours. Ali has chronicled incidents involving neth use,
public harassment, physical violence. Is Erica Kyagan does she care
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about this? She's another one with a bunch of degrees.
They all got college degrees. But she's letting people light
up their meth pipes and they get violent on property,
on the library property, he described. John Allie described users
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lighting up in the library courtyards, frightening families and deterring students,
so kids can't go and read books, check out books,
do their homework because there is a meth addict, terrifying
families in the courtyards. He told council members to witness
the condition's firsthand by visiting the libraries during weekday hours.
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Erica Kyagan and John F. Zabo, they are the library
heads in Santa Monica and Los Angeles, and they have
allowed the libraries to become outdoor mental institutions and indoor
mental institutions, not only the courtyards and the steps around
the libraries, but in the libraries themselves. And the guys
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are watching porn, and they're rejecting drugs, and they're naked
bathing themselves in the bathroom, and they're leaving bodily fluids
around the library and that's okay with John Zabo and
Erica Kyagan, and all the regular librarians are afraid to
complain because they'll in trouble, they might get fired in libraries,
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children's libraries. This can't be. This is absolutely beyond insanity.
And apparently it's gone on for years. I'm sure they've
gotten hundreds of complaints. There must be a few normal
people left. I just don't understand, really really, And they
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go to the city council and complain about this. LA
City Council, Santa Monica City Council, and all these progressive
nut jobs. What are they scold the parents who complain
you're being intolerant. This doesn't go on anywhere else. This
doesn't The whole state is an insane asylum. Now Conway's
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coming in and we'll be back tomorrow at one o'clock.
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