November 7, 2025 • 29 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (11/07) - Lou Penrose fills in for John. Joe Khalil from NewsNation comes on the show to talk about the latest going on with the government shutdown. It's time to open the government. Mary Kekatos comes on the show to talk about Affordable Care Act policyholders running into a problem. Local flight delays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's the John Cobelt Show. Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt.
Good to have you along with us. It is day
thirty eight of the government shut down, officially now the
longest government shutdown, and already some really impactful problems with
respective flight delays. We'll get the latest update out of
(00:28):
LAX and if you have travel plans at all this
weekend or really over the next couple of days. If
there is no compromise in the Senate anytime soon or
a continuing resolution passed, these flight delays will only increase
over the next few days. We'll get the latest for
Michael Monks coming up from LAX right now. Joe Khalil
(00:48):
is the DC correspondent for News Nation. He's back there
in DC. There were some Senate votes taken this week, Joe,
but no movement.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, no movement, and doesn't seem like there's going to
be much movement today. To be honest, there was actually
some breaking news about an hour and a half ago.
Democrats came to the table with a new proposal and
Chuck Schumer came to the floor with all Senate Democrats
behind him and said, here's our offer. Extend the healthcare subsidies,
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which Democrats have been sort of staking and fighting for,
and made the whole reason for the shutdown on the
fact that these healthcare subsidies are not going to be
extended and people are getting notices about higher premiums. So
he said, extend subsidies for one year as they are.
In addition to that, let's create a bipartisan sort of commission.
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Because Republicans have had issues that are you know, objectively
issues with these subsidies. Democrats want to work with them
on it. So let's do that and we will reopen
the government. And to that offer, Republicans said, death unserious
debt on arrival. So right now we are again just
(02:04):
at a standstill, and it does not look good for
the near future. We don't know what votes they're taking tonight.
We're trying to figure that out, so we're gonna we're
gonna have a shutdown through the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They are taking votes then tonight, so the Senate is
not resett.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We don't know what votes they're going to take. The
original plan was to again vote on this cr this
continuing resolution to fund the government and reopen it. It
has failed fourteen times. This time it's going to be
a little bit different. Republicans put a different offer on
the table where government would would continue to be funded
at current level through potentially December or January. And then
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they also basically put one year funding bills, three of
them for slivers of government. So for example, the agricultural
funding which oversees SNAP benefits food assistance, that would get
funded for a full year. And there are some others too,
for veterans and things like that. But yeah, that was
supposed to be getting a vote tonight, and right now
(03:06):
things are in flux, so it may get a vote tomorrow.
We're not exactly sure. It's up to the call of
Republican leaders here in the Senate. I'm not sure what
they're going to be doing yet.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I was watching Frank Lunz on TV, longtime political poster.
He said, look, the reason this is going on is
because the stalemate is actually working for core Democrat constituents
who want to see their party stand up the Trump
and core Republican constituents who want to see their president
not back down in k So there really isn't an
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incentive on politically speaking, to compromise, And I'm wondering if
you're seeing that in the mood of the Senate or
the Senate staffers.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think that absolutely that is a factor. I think
we would be blind to ignore that. I think the
incentives were such that Democratic base you're right, wanted to
see some fight, and after the Tuesday elections where Democrats
performed objectively very well, I think what you see is
some Democrats who may have been ready to say, okay,
(04:12):
let's vote to end this thing, more emboldened to say, actually,
let's see if we can make an extra demand or
too in order to reopen the government. I think you're
totally seeing that, and I think you're right. On the
other side, there have been some Republican senators who I
think felt the same way, and basically they themselves are
politically incentivized to say, we cannot give Democrats a win
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by having them sort of fuld the government hostage in
their view, So there are incentives on both sides to
not reopen the government. Unfortunately, for the millions of American
people that are impacted by this, I will just say
I think there is a willingness on the part of
President Trump to work with Democrats on healthcare subsidies. Why
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do I think that because he has said that publicly.
He has also publicly said just days ago, the public
is on Democrats side of the shutdown. He said to
Republican senators on TV in a room with them at breakfast.
We're losing the public perception fight right now on the shutdown.
And the fact that the President came out and said that,
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I think also may have emboldened Democrats and also as
an indication that I think President Trump sees maybe it's
time for him to get involved directly in the negotiations, which,
by the way, something Democrats have been asking for for
some time, and even some Republicans have said maybe it's
time that President Trump get in the room as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Jo Khalil, DC correspondent, News Nation, Thanks so much, appreciate
the update on a Friday. We'll talk with you again,
all right when we come back. I want to spend
a little bit more time on this idea that the
reason the shutdown is happening is because Democrats, consistent the
Democrat base wants Democrat party and leadership in DC to
fight and then of course Tuesday Nights. Democrats successes emboldens them,
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as Joe said, and Republicans, and I'm one of them
that I hate it when Republicans cave every single time
in these budget battles and in these shutdown showdowns. Want
Republicans to hold their ground. But there may be another story,
a third way to look at it, and I want
(06:16):
to explore that with you. That's all coming up next.
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Speaker 1 (06:28):
So we are in day thirty eight of the government shutdown,
and as I mentioned before the break with Joe, there
is a lot of political intel that suggests that there
is no political benefit for either side in the Senate
to give an inch. I think that they wish that
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the government could be reopened, but politically speaking, Democrats want
Democrat leaders to fight and push back on Donald Trump. Effectively,
that was what Prop fifty was all about, getting even
with Donald Trump for having the nerve to win and
be Kamala Harris. That was the message, that was the
that was really what Prop fifty was all about, and
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on the other side, If you are a Republican and
have been to this rodeo before, you well know that
Republicans always cave. They always hold their ground whatever the
budget battle is going, all the way to the shutdown
of nineteen ninety four with New Gingridge and President Bill Clinton.
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Then the shutdown was over welfare to work, believe it
or not, putting work requirements in welfare. The Republicans wanted
to add work requirements to welfare. Clinton didn't, and they
effectively shut down the government to fight, and then eventually
the Republicans caved. Then in the Obama era, it was
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defosit spending. That's what we had Tea Party Republicans. Remember
Tea Party Republicans. The Tea stood for not the Boston
Tea Party, but taxed enough already. We wanted to stop
spending more money than we took in. We wanted to
stop deficit spending. We wanted to balance the budget. And
Obama wanted to spend more money and add to the debt,
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and they had a government shut down and eventually Republicans caved.
So now comes President Trump, and Republicans are sick of caving.
And we do have the White House and we do
have the majority of the Senate, and we do have
the House of Representatives. Why are we caving to the minority? Right,
that's the attitude that we have, and I have it too.
(08:42):
I don't want to cave. But now we have gone
thirty eight days. So let's be clear. A government shutdown
is a political stunt. It isn't policy. It's a maneuver.
It's a political stunt. And sometimes political stunts work and
sometimes they don't. But even well working political stunts have
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a timeline, an expiration date, and I think we're getting
close to it. I think President Trump knows that too.
Like it worked. It showed America for like twenty days
or so. It showed America that non essential government is
clearly non essential. It showed America that it's a farce,
(09:28):
that Americans are starving to death. That's usually the way
it plays out. Usually, the reason Republicans cave is because
whenever there's a government shut down, whenever there's a budget
battle that stops government funding, they go find some woman
in like Baltimore that works for the Department of whatever,
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and she's all upset because she's got children to feed
and never a husband. In these sixty minute pieces and
she's in Baltimore and she has no food and she's
got to go to the food panch and boohoo who
and uh, you know, and then governments are so Republicans
are so afraid that they cave because of a sixty
minutes piece. That has been the history of the Republican
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strength in these government shutdowns. These days, you have strong
Republican leadership and they can effectively hide behind Trump and
the shadow of Trump, and Trump is strong. He said, look,
we're shutting it down. We're not going to pay hostage
money to the minority in the form of Medicare for
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undocumented people and Obama subsidies for Obamacare, which was supposed
to bring down the cost of healthcare. So it's worked,
but now I think that there it needs to come
to an end because when you start affecting air traffic
controllers and flights, it kind of gets real and frankly,
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the art to be fair and I'm on the Republican
side of this equation philosophically, but Republicans have always said, look,
all we're looking for is a clean cr All we're
looking for is Democrats signing off on a budget that
was the budget on September thirtieth, and it wasn't horrible.
Nobody was starving. Then Now all of a sudden, everybody's starving.
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Forty two million Americans no food, le miserablu and that
is a fair argument. But Democrats are in bolden, so
they're not going for it. But we got to get
this thing going yet. We don't need planes. How many
American airlines now canceling two hundred and twenty flights, Delta
one hundred and seventy flights, United two hundred flights. And
this is just phase one and a three phase process
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over the next week. I am not going to have
Americans quality of life, first world quality of life impacted
because of medicaid for illegal I would rather say, okay, fine,
you know what you win. Good for you. Let's go
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ahead and maintain the eligibility for illegals to apply for Medicare,
and in exchange, we're going to redouble our efforts to
get all the illegals out of the country. Like let's
go that route. That's the I think that's the sweet
spot out Fine Democrats who love illegals more than they
love Americans. If you want to die on this hill,
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that illegals have to be able to get Medicare. Fine,
We'll maintain at least for the next ninety days or
forever however long the cr IS will maintain the eligibility
for illegals to get Medicare, and over those next ninety days,
we will double our efforts to get all the illegals
out of the country. Because, frankly, I'd rather have my
government open. I'd rather have air traffic controllers who are
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American get paid and go to work. I'd rather have
active duty who are American and get I'd rather have
them get paid. I'd rather have the contractors get paid.
I'd rather have America working and have a policy that
says illegals are eligible for Medicare and have no illegals
in the country. Like that, to me is a fine solution.
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Democrats insist on having eligibility for illegals, Fine, have them
all be eligible for Medicare and have no illegals in
the country. That works too, So I think that's a
working solution. So that and Republicans can certainly fund that.
I mean, we're already funding an interior enforcement operation. But
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if that that is the compromise, I'd take that fine,
all right. You want to keep the illegals on medicare, fine,
We're just going to double up on the amount of
illegals that go in the back of the van in
Los Angeles, in San Diego, in Chicago, wherever they are.
We're gonna go get them, double it up, because that
pencils out if they If there are fewer illegals in
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the country, it doesn't matter what they qualify for. There's
none here. You don't tell the Democrats you're going to
do that, but I think that's what you do. That's
the way out. All right. When we come back, we'll
talk about these Affordable Care Act policyholders who are seeing
their potential premiums go up as a result of this
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government shutdown. That's all coming up next. Lou Penrose Info.
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Day thirty eight of the federal government's shutdown and flights
being affected now out of lax and major airports across
the country. New York Chicago, over two hundred American Airlines
flights one hundred and seventy Delta two hundred United and
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this is day one of a multi day step up
in a downsizing of the amount of flights taking off
in life because of the shortage of air traffic controllers.
So it's starting to really get real, and it doesn't
look like that the compromise is happening today, although the
Senate is voting tonight. Mary Cacatos's ABC News Washington correspondent,
(15:15):
Can you give us a little bit of an insight
as to what the Democrats are asking for with respect
to the Affordable Care Act policyholders?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Sure, So the Democrats have been asking for an extension
of the enhanced Premium tax credits for a while now,
especially because they're set to expire at the end of
the year. It's been a sticking point and basically the
main reason in the salemate between the two sides. The
most recent development is that Senator Chuck Schumer has announced
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that these Democrats are now asking for a one year expansion,
basically taking these tax credits through twenty twenty six in
exchange for reopening the federal government. As saying that the
ball is now in the Republicans court to see if
they're willing to accept this deal and reopen the government.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Were the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act? Were they
in the One Big Beautiful Bill or is this part
of the cr before Trump took office.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah, this is not part of the One Big Beautiful Bill,
President Donald Trump's Mega bill that was signed in July.
These subsidies were part of the original legislation during the
Obama administration. They were expanded during the Biden administration as
part of the American Rescue Plan, and now Democrats are
asking that they'd be added to the Continuing Resolution that
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would reopen the federal government.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It seems like President Trump, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I just so you know.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So some days it's so easy to read him. In Sundays,
not so much. It sounds like he's interested in perhaps
making some kind of deal on this. He is sensitive
to what he considers a failure of Obamacare, but he
seems to have thoughts on fixing, you know, insurance and
healthcare costs for people of that qualify for Obamacare. So,
(17:12):
I don't know, I got a sense that he might
be willing to take this to take this.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Deal Yeah, President Trump has signaled at times that he
is willing to make an agreement with the Democrats. There
have been Republicans that have also signaled that they are
willing to make a deal with the Democrats to reopen
the federal government. It's important, they say that Americans affected
by these enhanced premium tax credits are constituents across all
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fifty states, and they really want to make sure that
they can help their constituents avoid some of these really
soaring increases in premiums that they're seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, these premiums were going to increase had nothing been
done anyway, right, Like I mean, so if this was
part of the Rescue Act, the extensions under the administration,
and part of the original ten year budget from Obama's administration,
this was going to happen. Like this was needed to
be addressed. No matter what appen if they had signed
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a budget on October first, or if we never had
a shut down, this was still set to expire on
December thirty first of this year.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yeah, Insurance companies have said that these premiums were going
to increase anyway to reflect care and costs that they
expect members to use within the next year. That's at
least what one insurance company told us. But the issue
that many Americans are saying is that the enhanced Premium
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tax credits. Without them, they're going to see their premiums
rise exponentially. So, for example, we spoke to one man
in Illinois who said that if the enhanced Premium tax
credits go through, he'll see his premiums go from about
six hundred dollars to about fifteen hundred dollars, which is
still big but something that he thinks he may be
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able to manage. Without the enhanced Premium tax credits, he'll
see his premium as that is, for his wife brother
rights to more than two thousand dollars, which is more
than he brings in in a month. So many Americans
are saying that yes, their premiums will go up, but
with out the enhanced Premium tax credits, they'll go up
way more than potentially their monthly income even allows them
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to pay Mary.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
We were talking with another DC correspondent earlier in the hour.
It sounds like the Senate might still be voting today.
Is there is there any chance that there would be
any movement on this today?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
There is a possibility whether that will happen remains to
be seen, but there have been some signals from both
sides that they are willing to come to an agreement.
So I guess day tuned to find out.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I appreciate you so much, Maryaccatos, She's with ABC News,
so there is Yeah, there's a little bit of daylight
there still, and I think this would be the way
out for President Trump. I think this does change the
narrative a little bit because I I think that Trump
is sensitive to the problems with Obamacare. It really is ironic, right,
this is rich the Affordable Care Act. Now now they're
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not even calling it Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act.
They use the shorthand ACA, and they get talk They
talking about premiums going up. No's what is about to
happen is that Obamacare was such bad policy was so
inefficient that it required almost a ten year ramp up
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with government subsidies. In other words, you covering the difference
between what the insurance cost and what the ACA policy
holder was paying in a premium. Their premiums won't cover it.
They are eager to get Obamacare. They are paying like
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ridiculous and ridiculously low premiums to quality and the differences
being paid for by you. That's what a subsidy is,
means the taxpayer makes up the difference in the cost
of the healthcare or the healthcare insurance. So in order
to make this pencil out and ever look appear to
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be solvent, Obama projected ten years out with government subsidies
as a ramp up and now and then that was
extended under the Biden administration because it still wasn't penciling out,
And now here we are with a complete failure of
a government run healthcare plan called Obamacare. And the only
way to stop people's premiums from doubling who qualify for
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Obamacare is yet again for another year, you covering the
difference as a taxpayer. Absolutely absurd. Louke Penrose if of
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coming up five following the news at two, it's a
disaster if your flight got canceled and the ripple effects
of your flight getting canceled affects other people's flights. Like
if you're lucky, you got the first flight out and
the plane was on the ground, But if your plane
was coming from somewhere, oh boy, two hundred and twenty
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American Airlines flights canceled today, one hundred and seventy, Delta
United two hundred, Right, So that throws everybody off because
the plane flies out of LA goes to Salt Lake City,
and then from Salt Lake City picks up new people.
Then they go to Chicago's O'Hare and it's a mess.
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Or you made your plane, but now there are too
many planes at an airport because they didn't take off,
and now they're blocking gates and you're in the plane.
You landed on time, but you're just hanging out because
there's no gate for them to pull up to. Like
this is what happened. So the government shutdown is starting
to have some real first world impacts, and that's my concern.
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I could care less if non essential government employees found
other lines of work. I think this has been a
real lesson for the past thirty eight days that we
don't need non essential government, but the essential employees like
air traffic controllers and like active duty military and their supporters,
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people that work in the defense industry, they have to
work in a number of others.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, you guys keep talking about the airlines shut down.
Oh my god, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
You guys keep.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Forgetting that there's thousands of freaking people working for the
military not getting paid. They're not active duty, and it's
been over a month since we've seen a paycheck. But yeah,
we're keeping the bases alive, we're keeping training going.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No, and I appreciate you. Look, I live right next
to Camp Pendleton, forty two thousand Marines and sailors active
duty and working training and not getting paid. I was
just driving by Seninofree and watching their training. It's just spectacular.
If you've ever driven by, it's a beautiful view of
the Pacific Ocean. But they got these incredible helicopters and
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osprey and they're all and I thought, I'm like, these guys,
it's a hot day. It was that day where we
had that heat weight and it's really hot. They have
one hundred pounds on their backpack and they're doing training
and they know they're not getting paid. So I do
want to reopen the government to pay these people. I
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just don't want to cave and I don't want to
give Democrats to the win, especially over something as ridiculous
as another year of government subsidies for something called the
Affordable Care Act. Hey, let's talk some facts here.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Why don't you say what the percentages of illegal aliens
that are actually taking on Medicare or Medicaid and let
people know that it's less than half of one percent,
and that way you can maybe be a little bit
honest and not like talking like some bull pull All.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Right, First off, don't say bad words on the radio.
That's number one. Number two, how do you know how
many illegal aliens they are? There are they're undocumented? Remember,
so there is no number. Here's a number we do know.
In California, nine billion dollars in medical went to people
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that were undocumented. Nine billion dollars. So there's a number.
Is that one percent? Is that eight percent? Is that
fifty percent? I don't know what percent it is. We
have no way of knowing who is in the country
without documentation. They're illegal. It's the nature of illegals. They're
not of papers. What is the acceptable number for the taxpayer.
(25:50):
I love this argument, Lou. You know you're not being honest.
It's less than a percent. What's the difference, I mean,
what percentage of health costs for illegals should I be
paying for or any taxpayer be paying for. You are
not going to make me feel bad about illegals. Healthcare
costs never gonna happen. You've called the wrong guy. You're
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actually you're actually pushing me back to where I want
to keep the government shut down. So has to not
give the idea that we have a government shut down
for thirty eight days and marines and sailors are training
at Camp Pendleton without pay, and air traffic controllers have
to use the only tool in their toolbox, which is
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to call in sick. By the way, when they call
in sick and we reopen the government and they get
packed back pay, they don't get back pay for the
days they called in sick, but it's the only weapon
they have to say, Hey, we got you guys, gotta
get this going here, we need our pay. Right. The
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fact that all of this is happening in my country,
in a first world country that has to see flight
delays over an argument about extending medical to illegals irritates me,
and I think it irritates everybody else. So don't come
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here and start talking about it's just a small number.
It's just a small number. Nine billion dollars is not
a small number. There's other things to do with that number.
And it's not our fault, like we have to be
late for a flight or late to an event in
another city. We have to miss our flight or check
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our my flight aware app. Like I, why do we
have to be impacted because illegals need our healthcare? It's
just absolutely not right, and you're not gonna not gonna
make me feel bad, So don't even try. Never gonna happen.
And that's why I said that. That's the I think
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that's the perfect compromise. All right, fine, well, well we'll
do a ninety day cr that includes eligibility for illegals
for medicare, and at the same time, over the next
ninety days, we're gonna double the ice raids in every
major city. That because that will pencil out and it
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won't cost the tax bayer as much money because there'll
be fewer illegals. That's the the ultimate victory is to
have democrats allow illegals eligible for Medicare and have no
illegals in the country. That to me is the sweet spot.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
When we come back, Michael Monks from the KFI newsroom
will join us. We have problems over at LAX and
more and more people are reporting just all kinds of
problems at major airports because this changes reservations and it
changes people's work schedules for the weekend. Many people we're
out of town. It's holiday on Tuesday, it's Veterans Day,
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so some people were taking Monday off and now find
their entire plans all being messed up. It's a huge mess,
and we'll get the latest from Michael Monks in the
KFI newsroom. Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt on The
John Cobelt Show on KFI AM six forty, live everywhere
on the iHeartRadio app.
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You can always hear the show live on KFI AM
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's the John Cobelt Show. Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt.
Good to have you along with us. It is day
thirty eight of the government shut down, officially now the
longest government shutdown, and already some really impactful problems with
respective flight delays. We'll get the latest update out of
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LAX and if you have travel plans at all this
weekend or really over the next couple of days. If
there is no compromise in the Senate anytime soon or
a continuing resolution passed, these flight delays will only increase
over the next few days. We'll get the latest for
Michael Monks coming up from LAX right now. Joe Khalil
(00:48):
is the DC correspondent for News Nation. He's back there
in DC. There were some Senate votes taken this week, Joe,
but no movement.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, no movement, and doesn't seem like there's going to
be much movement today. To be honest, there was actually
some breaking news about an hour and a half ago.
Democrats came to the table with a new proposal and
Chuck Schumer came to the floor with all Senate Democrats
behind him and said, here's our offer. Extend the healthcare subsidies,
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which Democrats have been sort of staking and fighting for,
and made the whole reason for the shutdown on the
fact that these healthcare subsidies are not going to be
extended and people are getting notices about higher premiums. So
he said, extend subsidies for one year as they are.
In addition to that, let's create a bipartisan sort of commission.
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Because Republicans have had issues that are you know, objectively
issues with these subsidies. Democrats want to work with them
on it. So let's do that and we will reopen
the government. And to that offer, Republicans said, death unserious
debt on arrival. So right now we are again just
(02:04):
at a standstill, and it does not look good for
the near future. We don't know what votes they're taking tonight.
We're trying to figure that out, so we're gonna we're
gonna have a shutdown through the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They are taking votes then tonight, so the Senate is
not resett.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We don't know what votes they're going to take. The
original plan was to again vote on this cr this
continuing resolution to fund the government and reopen it. It
has failed fourteen times. This time it's going to be
a little bit different. Republicans put a different offer on
the table where government would would continue to be funded
at current level through potentially December or January. And then
(02:44):
they also basically put one year funding bills, three of
them for slivers of government. So for example, the agricultural
funding which oversees SNAP benefits food assistance, that would get
funded for a full year. And there are some others too,
for veterans and things like that. But yeah, that was
supposed to be getting a vote tonight, and right now
(03:06):
things are in flux, so it may get a vote tomorrow.
We're not exactly sure. It's up to the call of
Republican leaders here in the Senate. I'm not sure what
they're going to be doing yet.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I was watching Frank Lunz on TV, longtime political poster.
He said, look, the reason this is going on is
because the stalemate is actually working for core Democrat constituents
who want to see their party stand up the Trump
and core Republican constituents who want to see their president
not back down in k So there really isn't an
(03:39):
incentive on politically speaking, to compromise, And I'm wondering if
you're seeing that in the mood of the Senate or
the Senate staffers.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think that absolutely that is a factor. I think
we would be blind to ignore that. I think the
incentives were such that Democratic base you're right, wanted to
see some fight, and after the Tuesday elections where Democrats
performed objectively very well, I think what you see is
some Democrats who may have been ready to say, okay,
(04:12):
let's vote to end this thing, more emboldened to say, actually,
let's see if we can make an extra demand or
too in order to reopen the government. I think you're
totally seeing that, and I think you're right. On the
other side, there have been some Republican senators who I
think felt the same way, and basically they themselves are
politically incentivized to say, we cannot give Democrats a win
(04:34):
by having them sort of fuld the government hostage in
their view, So there are incentives on both sides to
not reopen the government. Unfortunately, for the millions of American
people that are impacted by this, I will just say
I think there is a willingness on the part of
President Trump to work with Democrats on healthcare subsidies. Why
(04:55):
do I think that because he has said that publicly.
He has also publicly said just days ago, the public
is on Democrats side of the shutdown. He said to
Republican senators on TV in a room with them at breakfast.
We're losing the public perception fight right now on the shutdown.
And the fact that the President came out and said that,
(05:16):
I think also may have emboldened Democrats and also as
an indication that I think President Trump sees maybe it's
time for him to get involved directly in the negotiations, which,
by the way, something Democrats have been asking for for
some time, and even some Republicans have said maybe it's
time that President Trump get in the room as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Jo Khalil, DC correspondent, News Nation, Thanks so much, appreciate
the update on a Friday. We'll talk with you again,
all right when we come back. I want to spend
a little bit more time on this idea that the
reason the shutdown is happening is because Democrats, consistent the
Democrat base wants Democrat party and leadership in DC to
fight and then of course Tuesday Nights. Democrats successes emboldens them,
(05:56):
as Joe said, and Republicans, and I'm one of them
that I hate it when Republicans cave every single time
in these budget battles and in these shutdown showdowns. Want
Republicans to hold their ground. But there may be another story,
a third way to look at it, and I want
(06:16):
to explore that with you. That's all coming up next.
Louke Penrose in for John Cobelt on the John Cobelt Show.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So we are in day thirty eight of the government shutdown,
and as I mentioned before the break with Joe, there
is a lot of political intel that suggests that there
is no political benefit for either side in the Senate
to give an inch. I think that they wish that
(06:49):
the government could be reopened, but politically speaking, Democrats want
Democrat leaders to fight and push back on Donald Trump. Effectively,
that was what Prop fifty was all about, getting even
with Donald Trump for having the nerve to win and
be Kamala Harris. That was the message, that was the
that was really what Prop fifty was all about, and
(07:13):
on the other side, If you are a Republican and
have been to this rodeo before, you well know that
Republicans always cave. They always hold their ground whatever the
budget battle is going, all the way to the shutdown
of nineteen ninety four with New Gingridge and President Bill Clinton.
(07:34):
Then the shutdown was over welfare to work, believe it
or not, putting work requirements in welfare. The Republicans wanted
to add work requirements to welfare. Clinton didn't, and they
effectively shut down the government to fight, and then eventually
the Republicans caved. Then in the Obama era, it was
(07:57):
defosit spending. That's what we had Tea Party Republicans. Remember
Tea Party Republicans. The Tea stood for not the Boston
Tea Party, but taxed enough already. We wanted to stop
spending more money than we took in. We wanted to
stop deficit spending. We wanted to balance the budget. And
Obama wanted to spend more money and add to the debt,
(08:20):
and they had a government shut down and eventually Republicans caved.
So now comes President Trump, and Republicans are sick of caving.
And we do have the White House and we do
have the majority of the Senate, and we do have
the House of Representatives. Why are we caving to the minority? Right,
that's the attitude that we have, and I have it too.
(08:42):
I don't want to cave. But now we have gone
thirty eight days. So let's be clear. A government shutdown
is a political stunt. It isn't policy. It's a maneuver.
It's a political stunt. And sometimes political stunts work and
sometimes they don't. But even well working political stunts have
(09:07):
a timeline, an expiration date, and I think we're getting
close to it. I think President Trump knows that too.
Like it worked. It showed America for like twenty days
or so. It showed America that non essential government is
clearly non essential. It showed America that it's a farce,
(09:28):
that Americans are starving to death. That's usually the way
it plays out. Usually, the reason Republicans cave is because
whenever there's a government shut down, whenever there's a budget
battle that stops government funding, they go find some woman
in like Baltimore that works for the Department of whatever,
(09:50):
and she's all upset because she's got children to feed
and never a husband. In these sixty minute pieces and
she's in Baltimore and she has no food and she's
got to go to the food panch and boohoo who
and uh, you know, and then governments are so Republicans
are so afraid that they cave because of a sixty
minutes piece. That has been the history of the Republican
(10:13):
strength in these government shutdowns. These days, you have strong
Republican leadership and they can effectively hide behind Trump and
the shadow of Trump, and Trump is strong. He said, look,
we're shutting it down. We're not going to pay hostage
money to the minority in the form of Medicare for
(10:33):
undocumented people and Obama subsidies for Obamacare, which was supposed
to bring down the cost of healthcare. So it's worked,
but now I think that there it needs to come
to an end because when you start affecting air traffic
controllers and flights, it kind of gets real and frankly,
(10:58):
the art to be fair and I'm on the Republican
side of this equation philosophically, but Republicans have always said, look,
all we're looking for is a clean cr All we're
looking for is Democrats signing off on a budget that
was the budget on September thirtieth, and it wasn't horrible.
Nobody was starving. Then Now all of a sudden, everybody's starving.
(11:20):
Forty two million Americans no food, le miserablu and that
is a fair argument. But Democrats are in bolden, so
they're not going for it. But we got to get
this thing going yet. We don't need planes. How many
American airlines now canceling two hundred and twenty flights, Delta
one hundred and seventy flights, United two hundred flights. And
this is just phase one and a three phase process
(11:42):
over the next week. I am not going to have
Americans quality of life, first world quality of life impacted
because of medicaid for illegal I would rather say, okay, fine,
you know what you win. Good for you. Let's go
(12:06):
ahead and maintain the eligibility for illegals to apply for Medicare,
and in exchange, we're going to redouble our efforts to
get all the illegals out of the country. Like let's
go that route. That's the I think that's the sweet
spot out Fine Democrats who love illegals more than they
love Americans. If you want to die on this hill,
(12:28):
that illegals have to be able to get Medicare. Fine,
We'll maintain at least for the next ninety days or
forever however long the cr IS will maintain the eligibility
for illegals to get Medicare, and over those next ninety days,
we will double our efforts to get all the illegals
out of the country. Because, frankly, I'd rather have my
government open. I'd rather have air traffic controllers who are
(12:50):
American get paid and go to work. I'd rather have
active duty who are American and get I'd rather have
them get paid. I'd rather have the contractors get paid.
I'd rather have America working and have a policy that
says illegals are eligible for Medicare and have no illegals
in the country. Like that, to me is a fine solution.
(13:14):
Democrats insist on having eligibility for illegals, Fine, have them
all be eligible for Medicare and have no illegals in
the country. That works too, So I think that's a
working solution. So that and Republicans can certainly fund that.
I mean, we're already funding an interior enforcement operation. But
(13:37):
if that that is the compromise, I'd take that fine,
all right. You want to keep the illegals on medicare, fine,
We're just going to double up on the amount of
illegals that go in the back of the van in
Los Angeles, in San Diego, in Chicago, wherever they are.
We're gonna go get them, double it up, because that
pencils out if they If there are fewer illegals in
(13:58):
the country, it doesn't matter what they qualify for. There's
none here. You don't tell the Democrats you're going to
do that, but I think that's what you do. That's
the way out. All right. When we come back, we'll
talk about these Affordable Care Act policyholders who are seeing
their potential premiums go up as a result of this
(14:18):
government shutdown. That's all coming up next. Lou Penrose Info.
John Cobelt on The John Cobelt Show on KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Lou Penrose Info. John Cobelt on The John Cobalt Show,
Day thirty eight of the federal government's shutdown and flights
being affected now out of lax and major airports across
the country. New York Chicago, over two hundred American Airlines
flights one hundred and seventy Delta two hundred United and
(14:52):
this is day one of a multi day step up
in a downsizing of the amount of flights taking off
in life because of the shortage of air traffic controllers.
So it's starting to really get real, and it doesn't
look like that the compromise is happening today, although the
Senate is voting tonight. Mary Cacatos's ABC News Washington correspondent,
(15:15):
Can you give us a little bit of an insight
as to what the Democrats are asking for with respect
to the Affordable Care Act policyholders?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Sure, So the Democrats have been asking for an extension
of the enhanced Premium tax credits for a while now,
especially because they're set to expire at the end of
the year. It's been a sticking point and basically the
main reason in the salemate between the two sides. The
most recent development is that Senator Chuck Schumer has announced
(15:46):
that these Democrats are now asking for a one year expansion,
basically taking these tax credits through twenty twenty six in
exchange for reopening the federal government. As saying that the
ball is now in the Republicans court to see if
they're willing to accept this deal and reopen the government.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Were the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act? Were they
in the One Big Beautiful Bill or is this part
of the cr before Trump took office.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah, this is not part of the One Big Beautiful Bill,
President Donald Trump's Mega bill that was signed in July.
These subsidies were part of the original legislation during the
Obama administration. They were expanded during the Biden administration as
part of the American Rescue Plan, and now Democrats are
asking that they'd be added to the Continuing Resolution that
(16:40):
would reopen the federal government.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It seems like President Trump, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I just so you know.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So some days it's so easy to read him. In Sundays,
not so much. It sounds like he's interested in perhaps
making some kind of deal on this. He is sensitive
to what he considers a failure of Obamacare, but he
seems to have thoughts on fixing, you know, insurance and
healthcare costs for people of that qualify for Obamacare. So,
(17:12):
I don't know, I got a sense that he might
be willing to take this to take this.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Deal Yeah, President Trump has signaled at times that he
is willing to make an agreement with the Democrats. There
have been Republicans that have also signaled that they are
willing to make a deal with the Democrats to reopen
the federal government. It's important, they say that Americans affected
by these enhanced premium tax credits are constituents across all
(17:38):
fifty states, and they really want to make sure that
they can help their constituents avoid some of these really
soaring increases in premiums that they're seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, these premiums were going to increase had nothing been
done anyway, right, Like I mean, so if this was
part of the Rescue Act, the extensions under the administration,
and part of the original ten year budget from Obama's administration,
this was going to happen. Like this was needed to
be addressed. No matter what appen if they had signed
(18:10):
a budget on October first, or if we never had
a shut down, this was still set to expire on
December thirty first of this year.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yeah, Insurance companies have said that these premiums were going
to increase anyway to reflect care and costs that they
expect members to use within the next year. That's at
least what one insurance company told us. But the issue
that many Americans are saying is that the enhanced Premium
(18:39):
tax credits. Without them, they're going to see their premiums
rise exponentially. So, for example, we spoke to one man
in Illinois who said that if the enhanced Premium tax
credits go through, he'll see his premiums go from about
six hundred dollars to about fifteen hundred dollars, which is
still big but something that he thinks he may be
(18:59):
able to manage. Without the enhanced Premium tax credits, he'll
see his premium as that is, for his wife brother
rights to more than two thousand dollars, which is more
than he brings in in a month. So many Americans
are saying that yes, their premiums will go up, but
with out the enhanced Premium tax credits, they'll go up
way more than potentially their monthly income even allows them
(19:21):
to pay Mary.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
We were talking with another DC correspondent earlier in the hour.
It sounds like the Senate might still be voting today.
Is there is there any chance that there would be
any movement on this today?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
There is a possibility whether that will happen remains to
be seen, but there have been some signals from both
sides that they are willing to come to an agreement.
So I guess day tuned to find out.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I appreciate you so much, Maryaccatos, She's with ABC News,
so there is Yeah, there's a little bit of daylight
there still, and I think this would be the way
out for President Trump. I think this does change the
narrative a little bit because I I think that Trump
is sensitive to the problems with Obamacare. It really is ironic, right,
this is rich the Affordable Care Act. Now now they're
(20:07):
not even calling it Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act.
They use the shorthand ACA, and they get talk They
talking about premiums going up. No's what is about to
happen is that Obamacare was such bad policy was so
inefficient that it required almost a ten year ramp up
(20:30):
with government subsidies. In other words, you covering the difference
between what the insurance cost and what the ACA policy
holder was paying in a premium. Their premiums won't cover it.
They are eager to get Obamacare. They are paying like
(20:51):
ridiculous and ridiculously low premiums to quality and the differences
being paid for by you. That's what a subsidy is,
means the taxpayer makes up the difference in the cost
of the healthcare or the healthcare insurance. So in order
to make this pencil out and ever look appear to
(21:11):
be solvent, Obama projected ten years out with government subsidies
as a ramp up and now and then that was
extended under the Biden administration because it still wasn't penciling out,
And now here we are with a complete failure of
a government run healthcare plan called Obamacare. And the only
way to stop people's premiums from doubling who qualify for
(21:35):
Obamacare is yet again for another year, you covering the
difference as a taxpayer. Absolutely absurd. Louke Penrose if of
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You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty.
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Louke Penrose info John Coblt on The John coblt Show
coming up five following the news at two, it's a
disaster if your flight got canceled and the ripple effects
of your flight getting canceled affects other people's flights. Like
if you're lucky, you got the first flight out and
the plane was on the ground, But if your plane
was coming from somewhere, oh boy, two hundred and twenty
(22:20):
American Airlines flights canceled today, one hundred and seventy, Delta
United two hundred, Right, So that throws everybody off because
the plane flies out of LA goes to Salt Lake City,
and then from Salt Lake City picks up new people.
Then they go to Chicago's O'Hare and it's a mess.
(22:43):
Or you made your plane, but now there are too
many planes at an airport because they didn't take off,
and now they're blocking gates and you're in the plane.
You landed on time, but you're just hanging out because
there's no gate for them to pull up to. Like
this is what happened. So the government shutdown is starting
to have some real first world impacts, and that's my concern.
(23:05):
I could care less if non essential government employees found
other lines of work. I think this has been a
real lesson for the past thirty eight days that we
don't need non essential government, but the essential employees like
air traffic controllers and like active duty military and their supporters,
(23:26):
people that work in the defense industry, they have to
work in a number of others.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, you guys keep talking about the airlines shut down.
Oh my god, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
You guys keep.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Forgetting that there's thousands of freaking people working for the
military not getting paid. They're not active duty, and it's
been over a month since we've seen a paycheck. But yeah,
we're keeping the bases alive, we're keeping training going.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No, and I appreciate you. Look, I live right next
to Camp Pendleton, forty two thousand Marines and sailors active
duty and working training and not getting paid. I was
just driving by Seninofree and watching their training. It's just spectacular.
If you've ever driven by, it's a beautiful view of
the Pacific Ocean. But they got these incredible helicopters and
(24:12):
osprey and they're all and I thought, I'm like, these guys,
it's a hot day. It was that day where we
had that heat weight and it's really hot. They have
one hundred pounds on their backpack and they're doing training
and they know they're not getting paid. So I do
want to reopen the government to pay these people. I
(24:32):
just don't want to cave and I don't want to
give Democrats to the win, especially over something as ridiculous
as another year of government subsidies for something called the
Affordable Care Act. Hey, let's talk some facts here.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Why don't you say what the percentages of illegal aliens
that are actually taking on Medicare or Medicaid and let
people know that it's less than half of one percent,
and that way you can maybe be a little bit
honest and not like talking like some bull pull All.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Right, First off, don't say bad words on the radio.
That's number one. Number two, how do you know how
many illegal aliens they are? There are they're undocumented? Remember,
so there is no number. Here's a number we do know.
In California, nine billion dollars in medical went to people
(25:27):
that were undocumented. Nine billion dollars. So there's a number.
Is that one percent? Is that eight percent? Is that
fifty percent? I don't know what percent it is. We
have no way of knowing who is in the country
without documentation. They're illegal. It's the nature of illegals. They're
not of papers. What is the acceptable number for the taxpayer.
(25:50):
I love this argument, Lou. You know you're not being honest.
It's less than a percent. What's the difference, I mean,
what percentage of health costs for illegals should I be
paying for or any taxpayer be paying for. You are
not going to make me feel bad about illegals. Healthcare
costs never gonna happen. You've called the wrong guy. You're
(26:14):
actually you're actually pushing me back to where I want
to keep the government shut down. So has to not
give the idea that we have a government shut down
for thirty eight days and marines and sailors are training
at Camp Pendleton without pay, and air traffic controllers have
to use the only tool in their toolbox, which is
(26:35):
to call in sick. By the way, when they call
in sick and we reopen the government and they get
packed back pay, they don't get back pay for the
days they called in sick, but it's the only weapon
they have to say, Hey, we got you guys, gotta
get this going here, we need our pay. Right. The
(26:56):
fact that all of this is happening in my country,
in a first world country that has to see flight
delays over an argument about extending medical to illegals irritates me,
and I think it irritates everybody else. So don't come
(27:17):
here and start talking about it's just a small number.
It's just a small number. Nine billion dollars is not
a small number. There's other things to do with that number.
And it's not our fault, like we have to be
late for a flight or late to an event in
another city. We have to miss our flight or check
(27:39):
our my flight aware app. Like I, why do we
have to be impacted because illegals need our healthcare? It's
just absolutely not right, and you're not gonna not gonna
make me feel bad, So don't even try. Never gonna happen.
And that's why I said that. That's the I think
(28:01):
that's the perfect compromise. All right, fine, well, well we'll
do a ninety day cr that includes eligibility for illegals
for medicare, and at the same time, over the next
ninety days, we're gonna double the ice raids in every
major city. That because that will pencil out and it
(28:22):
won't cost the tax bayer as much money because there'll
be fewer illegals. That's the the ultimate victory is to
have democrats allow illegals eligible for Medicare and have no
illegals in the country. That to me is the sweet spot.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
When we come back, Michael Monks from the KFI newsroom
will join us. We have problems over at LAX and
more and more people are reporting just all kinds of
problems at major airports because this changes reservations and it
changes people's work schedules for the weekend. Many people we're
out of town. It's holiday on Tuesday, it's Veterans Day,
(29:01):
so some people were taking Monday off and now find
their entire plans all being messed up. It's a huge mess,
and we'll get the latest from Michael Monks in the
KFI newsroom. Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt on The
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