April 25, 2023 • 36 mins
Jon Coupal comes on the show to talk about the idea of utility prices potentially rising for people with good credit scores. A man in Studio City has been charged with practicing medicine without a license. Jon Hatami comes on the show to talk about the sentencing of the mother of Anthony Avalos and the mother's boyfriend.
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We begin this how we're going to talk to John
Capoul from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. We talked about
this story last week, but John can filled in a
lot of details. It all started with a budget trailer
bill in Sacramento and it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Sounds eye rolling and eyeglazing, but.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Anyway, it's resulted in this proposal that your electricity bill,
your utility bill, will not only be based on your consumption,
but also a portion of would be based on your income.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And let's see how that came about. John, Welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Always a pleasure, guys.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
How you doing boy?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is classic Soviet socialism.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It really is people with money.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Are being forced to pay other people's electric bills.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That is true. And the other thing that's really critical
about this is is just another example of how they
try to hide tax increases. They try to hide the
tax increase embedded within your utility bill because you know,
when people pay their electric bill, they think it's it's
it's based on how much electricity they use, which is correct.
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This is what California voters have supported in many instances
in the past what we call cost of service principles,
and that is, you use a service and you pay
for the service. You use more of the service, you
pay more, you use less. This is an example to
actually redistribute wealth from higher income people to subsidize lower
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income people. And if you want to do that, use
the government's general fund, either the general fund of a
city or the state. But they don't want to do
that because it looks dangerously like a tax increase. Because
it is a tax increase.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Doesn't a tax increase have to go through the legislature?
Is this legal?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It did go to the legislature. This was a yeah,
this was a B two O five and uh, but
it's discis right. Well, first of all, it blew by everybody.
Keep in mind that AB two to five as of
June twenty sixth had no language in it four days later.
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It is a massive energy related bill that had three
major components of which this was just one. It was
a huge bill, never had any hearing at all, no
meaningful here. It's one of these trailer bills that they
just jammed through at the last moment. And what people
didn't realize is that this opened up the door to
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income based utility rates, which on its face doesn't make
any sense. No other state does this. No other state
takes into account your income as a basis for your
electrical rate. And not only is it a step towards socialism,
but it's going to be very difficult to implement. Are
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you supposed to while another tax return? How are you
going to prove what your taxes are? Again, this idea
is not ready for prices.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Two bills like telephone, maybe electric, don't they already have
something in there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
You know, for the poor people that can't afford to pay.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
There's some little fee or something like that that's already incorporated.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yes, and those are like lifeline rates. You know, there
are some that there are these more or less miscellaneous
charges which we've never litigated. But technically speaking, your utility
rates should be based on the cost of service. No
one has ever litigated a lifeline rate because it's always
been such a modest amount. And people kind of throw
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up their hands and say, okay, we understand that embedded
within our electrical rate or our phone bill is something
to help people less fortunate, but it's always been modest. Never,
never have our bills been based on the income that
other people make. So again it's a real problem.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, plus it's the California Public Utilities Commission are going
to be determining is going to be determining what charges
are imposed and on whom. Now, that seems like the
legislature should be spelling that out, and that should be
part of the vote. First of all, this should be
a standalone bill, so the public should be very aware that,
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you know, the following groups of earners are going to
be taxed at an increased rate. And here's what the
money is going for, you know, to pay poor people's electricity.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's none of that here. Instead, they're giving it off
to an agency.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They are giving it to the PUC, and the PUC
has the authorization, has the jurisdiction to set fees, but
not so much to impose taxes. Now Here is where
it gets interesting, because, as you guys know, we've qualified
for the ballot for twenty twenty four, the tax Payer
Protection and Government Accountability Act. It's already qualified for the ballot.
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One of the things it does is it reinforces existing
law that clearly distinguishes between what a tax is and
a legitimate fee. And if the TPA, the tax Payer
Protection Act, passes in November of twenty four, then this
particular scheme will likely be illegal because you cannot call
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this rate structure a true fee.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
What is a fee and what is a fit?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Like getting into a park.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yes, yeah, that's a perfect example. You go into a
state park, you pay a fee, you get the benefit
of getting getting entrance into the fee you have. There
are other kinds of like a trash pickup fee, and
under prop to eighteen, another one of our initiatives, the
trash pickup fee is supposed to be more or less
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related to the cost of the service. If you have
a dumpster, it's going to be more expensive than if
you have a small container. So there are requirements. There
are what we call these cost of service requirements for
true fees. There are other fees to pay for regulatory programs.
For example, you're never going to hear farmers complain about
the pesticide fees that they pay because it's a segregated
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account and they want all farmers to play by the
same rules. So if they have to pay a small
pesticide fee to regulate that industry, they're not gonna bitch
about it. But when the fees become excessive, and when
the fees are so draconian that they're actually based to
fulfill some societal good instead of some specific benefit or
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some regulatory program that then that's where to.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Because this is not a fee, because I'm not get anything.
I'm not getting anything out of this charge. This is
simply take money taken from me and given to somebody else.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm not getting subsidizing. Somebody else is getting in the park,
not me.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So there's an old poem. I don't think I will
ever see a tax as ugly as a fee. So
you know, that's exactly what these are. And they've been
playing these games forever. They embed local governments and state
governments continue to try to embed taxes into a fee structure,
number one, so they get more revenue. But number two,
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it's hidden. It's hidden people pay these things when people
will pay their utility bill. If this thing goes forward
and is implemented, people will pay the utility bill and
they'll say, geez, these rates are high. Well, it's not
the rate that's high, it's the fact that you're paying
a substantial tax on top of the fee.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
All right, John, thank you so much for coming on again.
Of course, we'll be talking a lot into next year
about the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability Act. Got to
get that passed on next year's ballot. Thanks for talking
to us.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
You bet guys.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Take care, John Capal, President of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.
As we're not giving up this story, even though it
wouldn't take effect until twenty twenty five. But the idea
that your electricity bill wouldn't be based solely on your usage.
There'd be a fixed fee component based on your income.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The socialism, right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, the more money you make, the more you have
to pay for electricity that you don't use. Use somebody
else is using. Right, We have nothing to do with
your usage.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Hell all right?
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Coming up after three point thirty, we'll welcome back John
Tommy to the John and Kent Show. He's an LA
County Deputy District Attorney, lead prosecutor in the case against
this mother and her living boyfriend who killed the mother's son,
Anthony Ovolo's big story out of Lancaster a few years back.
He died in twenty eighteen. Finally came around to trial.
They were found guilty by a jury.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Today they were.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Sentenced by a judge to life in prison without the
possibility of parole. See how long that lasts. But anyways,
they undermine their criminal justice system of the state. That's
something they have their eyes on, making sure even murderers
are released within some period of time. Is it ten years,
fifteen years, something like that. But anyway, we'll talk to John. Tommy,
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of course, is also running for La County DA in
next year's election to unseat the abominable George Gascone from office,
So we'll get you more details on that story. This
always fascinates me when I hear a story like this,
Not to be confused with doctor Kovorkian. John remembers who
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that is, right, doctor Kvorkian.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
They used to have that little suicide van he drive
around in and.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He's a strong believer and you're right to take your
own life.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He would invite you into the suicide van and he
would inject you and you would die, yes, And then.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
He would speculation that he had an odd fascination with
watching people die.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He used to take photographs when he was in a hospital,
trying to people's last breath. Yeah, he would take rapid
fire photos and we try to get the exact second
of death.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh well, I mean some people thought he did good.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And you're you're a big believer in the eggsit bags.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, No, he was an early like an early innovators,
early innovator.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yes, well, we're not going to talk about doctor Covorkian.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We're gonna talk about well, not doctor, but mister Govorkian.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yes, g E.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
V O r ki A Stephen Govorkian, forty four years old.
He comes from Studio City. He's being charged with illegally
providing medical care two thousands of patients at a medical
facility he ran into Luca Lake. Oh, John, that's right
down the street there at to Luca Lake. Do you
ever go in there? For practically within stile? I eat
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there all the time. You dook to Bob's Big Boy occasionally. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He used to sit at the counter and tell me
about the people around you.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh, that's where I met the guy without a nose. Oh,
old guy sat next to me at the counter. I
looked to my left.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
If I only had a he had no nose.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I didn't go there for a year after. That
completely freaked me out.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But I mean, you have a nose, you just don't
have the the beak there right.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The nostrils just add too little holes. He couldn't smell anything.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
There was no no nose. Structure was all gone. Oh
you didn't have a conversation. No, he just had air holes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No. No, I I had to I had to leave.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I had to leave.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I freaked me out.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
It was I.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know what happened. I just I had to.
I had to go. I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He ran something called Pathways Medical, and of course it's
described as an alternative medicine provider focused on intravenous vitamin therapy,
but he did not have a medical license to do this.
He supposedly was claiming to be a licensed doctor and
practicing medicine on thousands of people for several years. Sometimes
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the treatments included medical conditions such as cancer and viral infections.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
This all came about because somebody went under cover.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I guess they got a tip. So an undercover investigator
went there for a medical consultation, and they conduct the
blood test before they offer patient's treatments and during the
other cover operation. Investigators with the California Department of Consumer
Affairs said Govorkian failed to accurately address abnormal levels of
a hormone that could indicate a serious medical condition. So
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they're not only looking that he was practicing with a license.
We're looking to see if he did something, you know,
or if his methods are off and could be dangerous
to people.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So they've arrested him. And I like this though.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
His attorney, Justin Sterling, and they always say this, It's
the one word they always use. Looking forward to our
day in court, do vigorously defend him vigorously, He said.
It's important to acknowledge that what is thought to be
known or understood early on is not always the case
in the end. John's three day rule, right, John, the
three day.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Rule, three day rule, that's right. Don't trust early headlines,
early accounts.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They they could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There's a lot of wrong information, a lot of missing information,
a lot of context.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, any suggestion that mister Givorkian's he referred to him
as mister was impersonating a doctor in an effort to
treat unsuspecting patients is demonstrably another good word, demonstrably false, monstrably,
And I think what he's possibly hinting at there is
the defense is that he never presented himself as a doctor.
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So I don't know what the licensing requirements are to
give somebody vitamin therapy. I mean your parents went for
B twelve shots.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you know what, I walk by because being in
Brentwood there's all kinds of hocus pocus.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Oh there, I have them too in Miny.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You know you can you can get an IV drip
of of of of vitamins and all kinds of weird
substances that are supposed to give you energy or reverse
the aging process. Just endless nonsense shots. I got one
near me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
That's the frozen one, right, they can freeze part of cryogenics.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
There's these tanning booths, tanning salons, salon that's just to
look cold and tap. But there are other things though.
Are thinking people are going to get a lot of healthier?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
They're all lined up on the same block. It's like
one after the other. And this is for wealthy women
with with nothing to do aging wealthy women.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Right, worry so much about every little posture.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Fil you go here to get weird skin injections or
like minor plastic surgery procedures. You go here to get
the vitamin IV infusion therapy. So I'm you know, it's
like it's like going to a GMC store and you
have ten thousand bottles of vitamins and and herbal remedies, right,
and it's it's unregulated by the by the FDA, and
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it's it's this gray area where there's all sorts of
hocus pocus claims and nobody knows if it works or not,
and some people just take take, you know, dozens of
these pills every day. So I'm guessing he falls in
that category.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And well, then if all of those places you described
aren't raided and arrested, then maybe that's the defense here
that I wasn't really running a traditional doctor's office.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I was just you know, giving people vitamins.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, he would have to use the word.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But it says some people were treated for cancer.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well that that's yeah, okay, unless he has because like
some kind of vitamin.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
By the way, George Gascon is the one that went
after him here, that das right on top of this. Yeah,
all right, because the vitamin got right exactly. The vitamin
guy he's on top of he's on top of I
don't see anything in the story that anybody died from
this or it says here. Uh, the website says that
it's a combination of intravenous vitamin therapy, oral supplements. It's
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just pills and a diet change based on your individual
blood work. Oh, somebody's one of these people that he
takes your blood and you have you read those books
where they think they can analyze your blood to figure
out what you're susceptible to.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And what food you should eat and should not eat.
Did you ever hear about that? Yeah, I think there's
the way to take your blood.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You say, all the stuff you said, I see at
these various centers all the time. Yeah, And there's like
there's like a dozen of them in that genre.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So when we're making the case that he's not guilty.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It depends if they have evidence Ary actually passed himself
off as a doctor or something in writing where a
reasonable person would be convinced that that he's a doctor.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Because if you literally have cancer, I don't think you
go to a vitamin guy. Oh, some people do, though,
a lot of people go to Mexico for these as.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Remember years ago there was leatrill in Mexico. Yes, and
it was supposed to treat cancer.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Is made out of the peach pits.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, Yes, something that came out of peach past. It's
something derived from peach pits. And celebrities would go there
kind of last ditch or sometimes it was their first choice.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I heard of a lot of people that were out
of options, that were looking for a mirror.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I remember that's why Steve Jobes died so quickly from
his pancreatic cancer. He was trying to treat it with
uh hocus focus remedies. Oh, and the doctors were telling him, no,
you know, we you know, it's chemotherapy and it's you know, radiation,
it's all the traditional means.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
He didn't want to do it, and so he was
trying his own new age pancreatic cancer treatment. And then
at the end of it he realized, Man, I really
screwed up here, because you know, you can get a
couple of years with regular treatment.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
When we return, our guest will be La County Deputy
DA John hit Tommy also candidate for that DA job
in next year's election. He's going to talk to us
about the case that he was a big part of prosecuting.
And that's the mother and her living boyfriend who killed
ten year old Anthony Ovolos, who died in twenty eighteen.
They got their sentence today. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty
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Well, today was judgment day.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
They got life in prison without the possibility of parole.
We're talking about Heather Baron and her living boyfriend, Karim Leva.
They were found guilty of first degree murder in March.
It was a non jury trial in front of a judge.
The victim was ten year old Anthony Ovolos. He died
in twenty eighteen after quite a period of horrible torture
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and abuse at the hands of the mother and the boyfriend.
And whenever we talk about this story, we cannot forget
the involvement of child Services, which once again failed to
protect a young boy. We're going to bring on Jonathan Hotammi,
La County Deputy District Attorney, prosecuted the case and of
course a candidate to replace George Gascone the next year's
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election is La County DA, so he can talk more
about the case. He held the press conference after the sentencing.
John welcome back to the show.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Thank you Johnny Kain for having me.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
How do you feel now that the sentence is by
it finally been laid out, because I imagine this case
had a major effect on your life and has gone
on for years from.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Beginning to endy So the family you know, has had
this case for five years. I've had this case for
five years. It's been a long time. I think the
family is finally happy that both Labor and Baron will
spend the rest of their lives in prison. They'll die
in prison. They feel that there is a sense of
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justice as a result of the fact that those two
will never get out of prison for the rest of
their lives. And so I am happy for the family
as they're finally able to try to put this behind them.
That the siblings, Anthony's brothers and sisters are finally able
to put this behind them, and they do feel that
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there is a sense of justice. And you know, those
two horrible monsters who tortured and murdered Anthony will now
have to think every day about what they did and
spend the rest of their life life in prison.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
There was apparently two hours of impact statements.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, it was about twenty impact statements total. We even
had some first responders make some statements. Anthony's father, Anthony's grandmother,
Anthony's sister, Anthony's aunts, uncle, cousins. Anthony had so many
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family members and you know, they were all really affected
by this case. The entire family was torn apart as
a result of this case. And even the first responders
who see thousands of cases were really, really affected by
this case, and all of them were able.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
To talk to the judge.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
And I think what's important, John and Ken is you know,
the judge gave the opportunity for the family and the
community to talk to him, to say how this case
meant to them, to say what Anthony meant to them.
That's something that Jorge gas Gone refused to do. He
wouldn't talk to the family, he wouldn't talk to the prosecutors.
He didn't even care about the facts or evidence in
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this case. At least the judge, you know, had the
decency to listen to the evidence in this case and
to listen to the family members, something George Gascon refused
to do.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, he took the death sentence off the table to
begin with, and that's why we ended up with life
in prison with that parole. But you're saying you wouldn't
even talk to the family about their loss.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
No, you know, so when George implemented those policies, he
ordered the prosecutors, which would be me, to remove the
special circumstance that was before that we followed that lawsuit,
and so I immediately said, you know, you need to talk
to the family.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
He refused to do that.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I said that you need to meet with the prosecutors.
You refused to do that. I said you need to
meet the detectives. You refuse to do that. I said, well,
let me give you the evidence so you can look
at that before you tell us or order us to
re moved the special circumstance. He also refused to do that.
And so when the case was in front of Judge Kennedy,
this was in twenty twenty one, early twenty twenty one,
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before our lawsuit, I refused to remove the special circumstance.
George also removed capital punishment without even looking at the case,
without even looking at the evidence in the case, without
even talking to the family members. The family members reached
out to him, he refused to talk to them. And so,
you know, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why do you why is it he refuses to even
talk just to explain his point of view because.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
He's a narcissist and because he believes he knows better
than everybody else, and so if anybody disagrees with him,
he feels like, you know, that's an affront to him.
And so instead of actually being an elected a district
attorney who wants to listen to you know, the community
and to listen to his constituents. He basically has said
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that I know more than you, I know more than
the community. I'm going to make these decisions and I'm
not going to listen to anybody. And so anybody who
disagrees with this guy, anybody who's smarter than this guy,
anybody who has different, diverse opinions, he doesn't want to
hear it. He doesn't want you to talk about it.
He's not going to collaborate with anybody who disagrees with him.
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And like you know, he surrounded himself with a whole
group of people that know nothing about being a prosecutor
and also agree with them. But most of them even
have less experience than he does.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
He gets angry. It's a personal attack. If somebody has
a different interpretation of.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
A case, I mean, you're right. So if somebody says,
you know, here's the law, and George says, well, you know,
I'm a politician, I don't agree with that law, he
gets mad if you start talking to him about it.
If somebody says, hey, you know, the facts in this
case are real, egregious, you know this person is dangerous.
George Gascon doesn't want to hear it. He only wants
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to talk about the criminal, the wrongdoer. You know what
trauma they went through, the fact that they need to evolve,
the fact that we need to do all this stuff
to help them. He doesn't really want to talk about
public safety. He doesn't want to talk about, you know,
prosecuting murderers or child molestors or rapists. He doesn't want
to talk to the family members. He doesn't believe in
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incarcerating murderers and rapists. Him and a large group of
people believe that we need to get rid of all
the prisons and all the jails, and we should incarcerate anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Do worry that this couple might get released not too
many years down the road with the way this movement
is continuing to glow down prisons.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And that's a great question. I brought that up in
the press conference. Here's the thing, and I hope the
legislators in Sacramento are listening to me and to all
the people, because life without the possibility of parole means
life without the possibility of parole. And so these individuals
on the Public Safety Committee, and you know who they are,
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you know, Skinner and Wiener and Joan Sawyer. This large
group of not large, actually, it's a small group of
individuals who think that they know what most of the
people in California want. They're clearly wrong, because most of
the people in California believe, if you torture and murder
a child, you should at least spend the rest of
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your life in prison. If you rape and murder a child,
you should at least spend the rest of your life
in prison. And they're up there now in Sacramento trying
to get rid of life without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
As they.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Don't care. I don't care about you or me.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I just about and marvel at how extreme they are.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You could kill a child, You could torture a child
viciously and kill them, and they still don't think that
requires a long prison sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's a stunning yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
And here's the thing. They don't represent all of us.
They're a small, little radical group. You know that, you know.
And it's sad because I'm a Democrat and so but
I'm a Kennedy Democrat, and so I have a small
group in my party who are very, very radical, who
don't represent all of us, who don't believe that you
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need to fight for children who don't believe that you
need to protect the community. I believe the majority of Democrats,
the majority of Republicans, the majority of people in California
believe if you murder and torture a child, you should
go to prison for the rest of your life. If
you rape and torture a child, you should go to
prison for the rest of your life. There is no parent,
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there is no parent here in Los Angeles who I
believe believes what George Gascon believes. There's a small group
of radical people, you know, that group they think stealing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
You know, they're in charge of these public safety committees,
and they're in charge of everything right now.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Right right, And so we need to fight back. And
so this is why, you know, I've been fighting this
guy for two and a half years. And so we
all need to get together, Republicans and Democrats, put aside
any of our little differences and start fighting for each other.
Unite instead of divide. Kick George Gascon out of office,
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you know, kick all these radicals that have taken over
city council and think theft is okay. You know, def
isn't okay. Kick them out of office, get together as
a group and say, hey, we want to elect normal,
reasonable people who actually want to protect our community and
protect children and families.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
All right, what's the website again, John, for your campaign.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
For DA three is Jonathanhatami dot com, j O n
A T h A n A, Tommy h A p
A m I dot com. And you know, John and Ken,
I love for the support of you and for the community.
I love for your vote. I love for you you're
trying to support my campaign and for the people in
this community to support my campaign because at the end
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of the day, I believe everybody in Los Angeles wants
public safety. They're tired of politics as usual, and they
do want to fight for children and families. And what's
going on right now is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
That is wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Crime is wrong. Murdering and torturing children are wrong. And I,
you know, and I don't care what any of these
these radicals say. I will stand up to them and
fight them because it isn't a political issue. It's a
human rights issue. We all live here, and I'm going
to fight for you and for your children and for
my children.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
All right, thank you very much for talking to us
once again. Appreciate all your hard work, all your heart.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
No, thanks, thank you, johnay Kan for having me.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That's Jonathan to Tommy tireless prosecutor, one of the I
think the first guest we had on from inside the
DA's office to go after his boss, George Gasco. Show
a lot of bravery in that too, and he's incredible
in the courtroom in these child abuse cases. More coming up,
Johnny Ken kf I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And the one thing we didn't have enough time to
talk to John had Tommy though about child Services, I mean,
and their failure in the death of Anthony Ovolos, and
this idea that Heather Barren, the mother and by the way,
she and her living boyfriend just got life in prison
without parole. She got sent to parenting classes. When you're
torturing and physically abusing horribly a little boy, you don't
(31:29):
get parenting classes. You get the boy immediately moved from
the home, and you go.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
To prison for life. It's that simple. This upside down
were well, we have to understand, we have to keep
the family together.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, I'm sure she just needs a little bit of
a training and understanding.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's not that hard. Hey, don't drop your kids on
their head. Do you need a class for that? Don't
burn him with cigarettes. We got important news, John. There's
talk about AM radio being removed new cars and trucks.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You heard about this, Well, some stations probably should be.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You want to name them.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If we're in a natural disaster, a text will learn
your phone. It's not gonna be a substitute for what
broadcast radio can provide you in times of need. A
one line text ALURNT cannot take the place of the
voice on the radio talking to you twenty four to seven,
and John promises he'll be here twenty four to seven
covering the disaster because that's what he likes. At the
end of the world, of course, the cell networks may
(32:30):
not even be up and running. So when emergencies occur,
you're a local broadcast radio station is there providing wall
of war coverage, life saving information and a live connection
to the crisis. Radio stays in the aftermath, so you
need to make your voice heard on this issue.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You text The letters am AM for.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Was amplitude modulation, yes, two five to eight eighty six,
and tell Congress to keep AM radio in all cars
and trucks standard message and.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Data rates they apply.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
There.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
You go here and look at this guy over here. Yeah,
don't forget me, Mark Thompson, all.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Right, here's you were ding and don right ding and Don.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
John is so focused that he looks over and he
sees me and he doesn't see Mark.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He is, that's focused. He's like a battery in the
batter's that's right.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
You're president, My president. Joe Biden's running again.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, not my president.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
What come on and jump on board?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Uh ten burglar smash a van into Sherman Oaks marijuana dispensary. Well,
look that's where they have pot and money. You know,
drugs and money. Sure, let's say twofer and then supposed
of both are closed due to l you know West
l A due to a high underground oil league but you.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Know best West l A Beverly Hill Billies.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, well they've got.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Gold.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Get away from there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I know there's oil under uh and and natural gas
was high School and allong Wilshire Boulevard.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Because that's why they never built a subway.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
They were supposed to build it in the nineteen eighties
and they stopped the construction. The the Congressman Henry Waxman
got a bill passed in Congress, no drilling, no subway
construction underground going down Wilshire Boulevard because of the oil
and gas.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Right, and then they said, well, what should we put
on top of the oil and gas field?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
A high school?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It was right, we need that oil and gas. We
just extracted car and there was a cancer cluster of
Beverly Hills High. And I remember Aaron Brockovich got.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Connect it.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
You know it's still in if you go to the
Century City. I think it's still there. There's an oil
rig and an oil well right next to the football
field at Beverly Hills High. Yeah, finally took well they
did take it down. Yeah, yeah, so all the oil
is gone. I should have Eric on the whole night, like,
did you know that that drive flight? No, it's been
on time. Harry del fonted, Oh no, he's fine, he said,
(35:01):
he's at home.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Oh she When you drive in Losienegle, though, you can
still see those rigs, right, those.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Big oil No, they're gone, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Eric, Eric, please just imitate Eric, Eric that's a very
good mark.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Tuning in for the Eric. Do your markets tend to
hit on some girl? Go ahead, you know, Eric, I
don't know if you got a younger sister.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Oh that's interest.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
You didn't like that.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I just say, my wife, she designs clothing for you know,
young beautiful ladies.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I don't even know what he said, but it's funny.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He's dangerous at three fifty eight. He always is.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
And then and then it's downhill for three hours. Dog
Conway Compson crush you with the news twenty four hour Newsroom.
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One thing you should listen to. Start at a two
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Craig Welling. Wesley was the fifteen year old boy who
(00:23):
was run over by that lunatic at Westlake High School.
The guy who he stabbed somebody at a Walmart, then
went to his family's home and harassed them. Finally showed
up driving crazily and ran over four teenagers at Westlake,
and Wesley got killed. There's a GoFundMe page GoFundMe dot com,
(00:45):
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Welling or just put Wesley Welling and you could come
to the page and donate to their fund.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
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Here on the John and Ken Show on KFI.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You're chance at one thousand dollars the inflation compensation contest.
We begin this how we're going to talk to John
Capoul from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. We talked about
this story last week, but John can filled in a
lot of details. It all started with a budget trailer
bill in Sacramento and it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Sounds eye rolling and eyeglazing, but.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Anyway, it's resulted in this proposal that your electricity bill,
your utility bill, will not only be based on your consumption,
but also a portion of would be based on your income.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And let's see how that came about. John, Welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Always a pleasure, guys.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
How you doing boy?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is classic Soviet socialism.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It really is people with money.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Are being forced to pay other people's electric bills.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That is true. And the other thing that's really critical
about this is is just another example of how they
try to hide tax increases. They try to hide the
tax increase embedded within your utility bill because you know,
when people pay their electric bill, they think it's it's
it's based on how much electricity they use, which is correct.
(02:06):
This is what California voters have supported in many instances
in the past what we call cost of service principles,
and that is, you use a service and you pay
for the service. You use more of the service, you
pay more, you use less. This is an example to
actually redistribute wealth from higher income people to subsidize lower
(02:32):
income people. And if you want to do that, use
the government's general fund, either the general fund of a
city or the state. But they don't want to do
that because it looks dangerously like a tax increase. Because
it is a tax increase.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Doesn't a tax increase have to go through the legislature?
Is this legal?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It did go to the legislature. This was a yeah,
this was a B two O five and uh, but
it's discis right. Well, first of all, it blew by everybody.
Keep in mind that AB two to five as of
June twenty sixth had no language in it four days later.
(03:15):
It is a massive energy related bill that had three
major components of which this was just one. It was
a huge bill, never had any hearing at all, no
meaningful here. It's one of these trailer bills that they
just jammed through at the last moment. And what people
didn't realize is that this opened up the door to
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income based utility rates, which on its face doesn't make
any sense. No other state does this. No other state
takes into account your income as a basis for your
electrical rate. And not only is it a step towards socialism,
but it's going to be very difficult to implement. Are
(03:59):
you supposed to while another tax return? How are you
going to prove what your taxes are? Again, this idea
is not ready for prices.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Two bills like telephone, maybe electric, don't they already have
something in there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
You know, for the poor people that can't afford to pay.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
There's some little fee or something like that that's already incorporated.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yes, and those are like lifeline rates. You know, there
are some that there are these more or less miscellaneous
charges which we've never litigated. But technically speaking, your utility
rates should be based on the cost of service. No
one has ever litigated a lifeline rate because it's always
been such a modest amount. And people kind of throw
(04:41):
up their hands and say, okay, we understand that embedded
within our electrical rate or our phone bill is something
to help people less fortunate, but it's always been modest. Never,
never have our bills been based on the income that
other people make. So again it's a real problem.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, plus it's the California Public Utilities Commission are going
to be determining is going to be determining what charges
are imposed and on whom. Now, that seems like the
legislature should be spelling that out, and that should be
part of the vote. First of all, this should be
a standalone bill, so the public should be very aware that,
(05:23):
you know, the following groups of earners are going to
be taxed at an increased rate. And here's what the
money is going for, you know, to pay poor people's electricity.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's none of that here. Instead, they're giving it off
to an agency.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They are giving it to the PUC, and the PUC
has the authorization, has the jurisdiction to set fees, but
not so much to impose taxes. Now Here is where
it gets interesting, because, as you guys know, we've qualified
for the ballot for twenty twenty four, the tax Payer
Protection and Government Accountability Act. It's already qualified for the ballot.
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One of the things it does is it reinforces existing
law that clearly distinguishes between what a tax is and
a legitimate fee. And if the TPA, the tax Payer
Protection Act, passes in November of twenty four, then this
particular scheme will likely be illegal because you cannot call
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this rate structure a true fee.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
What is a fee and what is a fit?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Like getting into a park.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yes, yeah, that's a perfect example. You go into a
state park, you pay a fee, you get the benefit
of getting getting entrance into the fee you have. There
are other kinds of like a trash pickup fee, and
under prop to eighteen, another one of our initiatives, the
trash pickup fee is supposed to be more or less
(06:51):
related to the cost of the service. If you have
a dumpster, it's going to be more expensive than if
you have a small container. So there are requirements. There
are what we call these cost of service requirements for
true fees. There are other fees to pay for regulatory programs.
For example, you're never going to hear farmers complain about
the pesticide fees that they pay because it's a segregated
(07:15):
account and they want all farmers to play by the
same rules. So if they have to pay a small
pesticide fee to regulate that industry, they're not gonna bitch
about it. But when the fees become excessive, and when
the fees are so draconian that they're actually based to
fulfill some societal good instead of some specific benefit or
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some regulatory program that then that's where to.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Because this is not a fee, because I'm not get anything.
I'm not getting anything out of this charge. This is
simply take money taken from me and given to somebody else.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm not getting subsidizing. Somebody else is getting in the park,
not me.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So there's an old poem. I don't think I will
ever see a tax as ugly as a fee. So
you know, that's exactly what these are. And they've been
playing these games forever. They embed local governments and state
governments continue to try to embed taxes into a fee structure,
number one, so they get more revenue. But number two,
(08:19):
it's hidden. It's hidden people pay these things when people
will pay their utility bill. If this thing goes forward
and is implemented, people will pay the utility bill and
they'll say, geez, these rates are high. Well, it's not
the rate that's high, it's the fact that you're paying
a substantial tax on top of the fee.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
All right, John, thank you so much for coming on again.
Of course, we'll be talking a lot into next year
about the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability Act. Got to
get that passed on next year's ballot. Thanks for talking
to us.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
You bet guys.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Take care, John Capal, President of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.
As we're not giving up this story, even though it
wouldn't take effect until twenty twenty five. But the idea
that your electricity bill wouldn't be based solely on your usage.
There'd be a fixed fee component based on your income.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The socialism, right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, the more money you make, the more you have
to pay for electricity that you don't use. Use somebody
else is using. Right, We have nothing to do with
your usage.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Hell all right?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
More coming up Johnny KENKFIAM six forty Live everywhere. Oh
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You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
Coming up after three point thirty, we'll welcome back John
Tommy to the John and Kent Show. He's an LA
County Deputy District Attorney, lead prosecutor in the case against
this mother and her living boyfriend who killed the mother's son,
Anthony Ovolo's big story out of Lancaster a few years back.
He died in twenty eighteen. Finally came around to trial.
They were found guilty by a jury.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Today they were.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Sentenced by a judge to life in prison without the
possibility of parole. See how long that lasts. But anyways,
they undermine their criminal justice system of the state. That's
something they have their eyes on, making sure even murderers
are released within some period of time. Is it ten years,
fifteen years, something like that. But anyway, we'll talk to John. Tommy,
(10:22):
of course, is also running for La County DA in
next year's election to unseat the abominable George Gascone from office,
So we'll get you more details on that story. This
always fascinates me when I hear a story like this,
Not to be confused with doctor Kovorkian. John remembers who
(10:44):
that is, right, doctor Kvorkian.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
They used to have that little suicide van he drive
around in and.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He's a strong believer and you're right to take your
own life.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He would invite you into the suicide van and he
would inject you and you would die, yes, And then.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
He would speculation that he had an odd fascination with
watching people die.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He used to take photographs when he was in a hospital,
trying to people's last breath. Yeah, he would take rapid
fire photos and we try to get the exact second
of death.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh well, I mean some people thought he did good.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And you're you're a big believer in the eggsit bags.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, No, he was an early like an early innovators,
early innovator.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yes, well, we're not going to talk about doctor Covorkian.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We're gonna talk about well, not doctor, but mister Govorkian.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yes, g E.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
V O r ki A Stephen Govorkian, forty four years old.
He comes from Studio City. He's being charged with illegally
providing medical care two thousands of patients at a medical
facility he ran into Luca Lake. Oh, John, that's right
down the street there at to Luca Lake. Do you
ever go in there? For practically within stile? I eat
(11:58):
there all the time. You dook to Bob's Big Boy occasionally. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He used to sit at the counter and tell me
about the people around you.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh, that's where I met the guy without a nose. Oh,
old guy sat next to me at the counter. I
looked to my left.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
If I only had a he had no nose.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I didn't go there for a year after. That
completely freaked me out.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But I mean, you have a nose, you just don't
have the the beak there right.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The nostrils just add too little holes. He couldn't smell anything.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
There was no no nose. Structure was all gone. Oh
you didn't have a conversation. No, he just had air holes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No. No, I I had to I had to leave.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I had to leave.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I freaked me out.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
It was I.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know what happened. I just I had to.
I had to go. I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He ran something called Pathways Medical, and of course it's
described as an alternative medicine provider focused on intravenous vitamin therapy,
but he did not have a medical license to do this.
He supposedly was claiming to be a licensed doctor and
practicing medicine on thousands of people for several years. Sometimes
(13:10):
the treatments included medical conditions such as cancer and viral infections.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
This all came about because somebody went under cover.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I guess they got a tip. So an undercover investigator
went there for a medical consultation, and they conduct the
blood test before they offer patient's treatments and during the
other cover operation. Investigators with the California Department of Consumer
Affairs said Govorkian failed to accurately address abnormal levels of
a hormone that could indicate a serious medical condition. So
(13:42):
they're not only looking that he was practicing with a license.
We're looking to see if he did something, you know,
or if his methods are off and could be dangerous
to people.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So they've arrested him. And I like this though.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
His attorney, Justin Sterling, and they always say this, It's
the one word they always use. Looking forward to our
day in court, do vigorously defend him vigorously, He said.
It's important to acknowledge that what is thought to be
known or understood early on is not always the case
in the end. John's three day rule, right, John, the
three day.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Rule, three day rule, that's right. Don't trust early headlines,
early accounts.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They they could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There's a lot of wrong information, a lot of missing information,
a lot of context.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, any suggestion that mister Givorkian's he referred to him
as mister was impersonating a doctor in an effort to
treat unsuspecting patients is demonstrably another good word, demonstrably false, monstrably,
And I think what he's possibly hinting at there is
the defense is that he never presented himself as a doctor.
(14:48):
So I don't know what the licensing requirements are to
give somebody vitamin therapy. I mean your parents went for
B twelve shots.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you know what, I walk by because being in
Brentwood there's all kinds of hocus pocus.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Oh there, I have them too in Miny.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You know you can you can get an IV drip
of of of of vitamins and all kinds of weird
substances that are supposed to give you energy or reverse
the aging process. Just endless nonsense shots. I got one
near me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
That's the frozen one, right, they can freeze part of cryogenics.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
There's these tanning booths, tanning salons, salon that's just to
look cold and tap. But there are other things though.
Are thinking people are going to get a lot of healthier?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
They're all lined up on the same block. It's like
one after the other. And this is for wealthy women
with with nothing to do aging wealthy women.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Right, worry so much about every little posture.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Fil you go here to get weird skin injections or
like minor plastic surgery procedures. You go here to get
the vitamin IV infusion therapy. So I'm you know, it's
like it's like going to a GMC store and you
have ten thousand bottles of vitamins and and herbal remedies, right,
and it's it's unregulated by the by the FDA, and
(16:11):
it's it's this gray area where there's all sorts of
hocus pocus claims and nobody knows if it works or not,
and some people just take take, you know, dozens of
these pills every day. So I'm guessing he falls in
that category.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And well, then if all of those places you described
aren't raided and arrested, then maybe that's the defense here
that I wasn't really running a traditional doctor's office.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I was just you know, giving people vitamins.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, he would have to use the word.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But it says some people were treated for cancer.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well that that's yeah, okay, unless he has because like
some kind of vitamin.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
By the way, George Gascon is the one that went
after him here, that das right on top of this. Yeah,
all right, because the vitamin got right exactly. The vitamin
guy he's on top of he's on top of I
don't see anything in the story that anybody died from
this or it says here. Uh, the website says that
it's a combination of intravenous vitamin therapy, oral supplements. It's
(17:16):
just pills and a diet change based on your individual
blood work. Oh, somebody's one of these people that he
takes your blood and you have you read those books
where they think they can analyze your blood to figure
out what you're susceptible to.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And what food you should eat and should not eat.
Did you ever hear about that? Yeah, I think there's
the way to take your blood.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You say, all the stuff you said, I see at
these various centers all the time. Yeah, And there's like
there's like a dozen of them in that genre.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So when we're making the case that he's not guilty.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It depends if they have evidence Ary actually passed himself
off as a doctor or something in writing where a
reasonable person would be convinced that that he's a doctor.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Because if you literally have cancer, I don't think you
go to a vitamin guy. Oh, some people do, though,
a lot of people go to Mexico for these as.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Remember years ago there was leatrill in Mexico. Yes, and
it was supposed to treat cancer.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Is made out of the peach pits.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, Yes, something that came out of peach past. It's
something derived from peach pits. And celebrities would go there
kind of last ditch or sometimes it was their first choice.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I heard of a lot of people that were out
of options, that were looking for a mirror.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I remember that's why Steve Jobes died so quickly from
his pancreatic cancer. He was trying to treat it with
uh hocus focus remedies. Oh, and the doctors were telling him, no,
you know, we you know, it's chemotherapy and it's you know, radiation,
it's all the traditional means.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
He didn't want to do it, and so he was
trying his own new age pancreatic cancer treatment. And then
at the end of it he realized, Man, I really
screwed up here, because you know, you can get a
couple of years with regular treatment.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
When we return, our guest will be La County Deputy
DA John hit Tommy also candidate for that DA job
in next year's election. He's going to talk to us
about the case that he was a big part of prosecuting.
And that's the mother and her living boyfriend who killed
ten year old Anthony Ovolos, who died in twenty eighteen.
They got their sentence today. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty
(19:20):
were live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
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Speaker 2 (19:29):
You can hear us on the radio till four o'clock
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Speaker 3 (19:40):
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Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well, today was judgment day.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
They got life in prison without the possibility of parole.
We're talking about Heather Baron and her living boyfriend, Karim Leva.
They were found guilty of first degree murder in March.
It was a non jury trial in front of a judge.
The victim was ten year old Anthony Ovolos. He died
in twenty eighteen after quite a period of horrible torture
(20:26):
and abuse at the hands of the mother and the boyfriend.
And whenever we talk about this story, we cannot forget
the involvement of child Services, which once again failed to
protect a young boy. We're going to bring on Jonathan Hotammi,
La County Deputy District Attorney, prosecuted the case and of
course a candidate to replace George Gascone the next year's
(20:46):
election is La County DA, so he can talk more
about the case. He held the press conference after the sentencing.
John welcome back to the show.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Thank you Johnny Kain for having me.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
How do you feel now that the sentence is by
it finally been laid out, because I imagine this case
had a major effect on your life and has gone
on for years from.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Beginning to endy So the family you know, has had
this case for five years. I've had this case for
five years. It's been a long time. I think the
family is finally happy that both Labor and Baron will
spend the rest of their lives in prison. They'll die
in prison. They feel that there is a sense of
(21:28):
justice as a result of the fact that those two
will never get out of prison for the rest of
their lives. And so I am happy for the family
as they're finally able to try to put this behind them.
That the siblings, Anthony's brothers and sisters are finally able
to put this behind them, and they do feel that
(21:50):
there is a sense of justice. And you know, those
two horrible monsters who tortured and murdered Anthony will now
have to think every day about what they did and
spend the rest of their life life in prison.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
There was apparently two hours of impact statements.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, it was about twenty impact statements total. We even
had some first responders make some statements. Anthony's father, Anthony's grandmother,
Anthony's sister, Anthony's aunts, uncle, cousins. Anthony had so many
(22:28):
family members and you know, they were all really affected
by this case. The entire family was torn apart as
a result of this case. And even the first responders
who see thousands of cases were really, really affected by
this case, and all of them were able.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
To talk to the judge.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
And I think what's important, John and Ken is you know,
the judge gave the opportunity for the family and the
community to talk to him, to say how this case
meant to them, to say what Anthony meant to them.
That's something that Jorge gas Gone refused to do. He
wouldn't talk to the family, he wouldn't talk to the prosecutors.
He didn't even care about the facts or evidence in
(23:08):
this case. At least the judge, you know, had the
decency to listen to the evidence in this case and
to listen to the family members, something George Gascon refused
to do.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, he took the death sentence off the table to
begin with, and that's why we ended up with life
in prison with that parole. But you're saying you wouldn't
even talk to the family about their loss.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
No, you know, so when George implemented those policies, he
ordered the prosecutors, which would be me, to remove the
special circumstance that was before that we followed that lawsuit,
and so I immediately said, you know, you need to talk
to the family.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
He refused to do that.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I said that you need to meet with the prosecutors.
You refused to do that. I said you need to
meet the detectives. You refuse to do that. I said, well,
let me give you the evidence so you can look
at that before you tell us or order us to
re moved the special circumstance. He also refused to do that.
And so when the case was in front of Judge Kennedy,
this was in twenty twenty one, early twenty twenty one,
(24:10):
before our lawsuit, I refused to remove the special circumstance.
George also removed capital punishment without even looking at the case,
without even looking at the evidence in the case, without
even talking to the family members. The family members reached
out to him, he refused to talk to them. And so,
you know, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why do you why is it he refuses to even
talk just to explain his point of view because.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
He's a narcissist and because he believes he knows better
than everybody else, and so if anybody disagrees with him,
he feels like, you know, that's an affront to him.
And so instead of actually being an elected a district
attorney who wants to listen to you know, the community
and to listen to his constituents. He basically has said
(24:59):
that I know more than you, I know more than
the community. I'm going to make these decisions and I'm
not going to listen to anybody. And so anybody who
disagrees with this guy, anybody who's smarter than this guy,
anybody who has different, diverse opinions, he doesn't want to
hear it. He doesn't want you to talk about it.
He's not going to collaborate with anybody who disagrees with him.
(25:22):
And like you know, he surrounded himself with a whole
group of people that know nothing about being a prosecutor
and also agree with them. But most of them even
have less experience than he does.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
He gets angry. It's a personal attack. If somebody has
a different interpretation of.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
A case, I mean, you're right. So if somebody says,
you know, here's the law, and George says, well, you know,
I'm a politician, I don't agree with that law, he
gets mad if you start talking to him about it.
If somebody says, hey, you know, the facts in this
case are real, egregious, you know this person is dangerous.
George Gascon doesn't want to hear it. He only wants
(25:59):
to talk about the criminal, the wrongdoer. You know what
trauma they went through, the fact that they need to evolve,
the fact that we need to do all this stuff
to help them. He doesn't really want to talk about
public safety. He doesn't want to talk about, you know,
prosecuting murderers or child molestors or rapists. He doesn't want
to talk to the family members. He doesn't believe in
(26:22):
incarcerating murderers and rapists. Him and a large group of
people believe that we need to get rid of all
the prisons and all the jails, and we should incarcerate anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Do worry that this couple might get released not too
many years down the road with the way this movement
is continuing to glow down prisons.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And that's a great question. I brought that up in
the press conference. Here's the thing, and I hope the
legislators in Sacramento are listening to me and to all
the people, because life without the possibility of parole means
life without the possibility of parole. And so these individuals
on the Public Safety Committee, and you know who they are,
(27:06):
you know, Skinner and Wiener and Joan Sawyer. This large
group of not large, actually, it's a small group of
individuals who think that they know what most of the
people in California want. They're clearly wrong, because most of
the people in California believe, if you torture and murder
a child, you should at least spend the rest of
(27:27):
your life in prison. If you rape and murder a child,
you should at least spend the rest of your life
in prison. And they're up there now in Sacramento trying
to get rid of life without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
As they.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Don't care. I don't care about you or me.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I just about and marvel at how extreme they are.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You could kill a child, You could torture a child
viciously and kill them, and they still don't think that
requires a long prison sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's a stunning yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
And here's the thing. They don't represent all of us.
They're a small, little radical group. You know that, you know.
And it's sad because I'm a Democrat and so but
I'm a Kennedy Democrat, and so I have a small
group in my party who are very, very radical, who
don't represent all of us, who don't believe that you
(28:21):
need to fight for children who don't believe that you
need to protect the community. I believe the majority of Democrats,
the majority of Republicans, the majority of people in California
believe if you murder and torture a child, you should
go to prison for the rest of your life. If
you rape and torture a child, you should go to
prison for the rest of your life. There is no parent,
(28:41):
there is no parent here in Los Angeles who I
believe believes what George Gascon believes. There's a small group
of radical people, you know, that group they think stealing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
You know, they're in charge of these public safety committees,
and they're in charge of everything right now.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Right right, And so we need to fight back. And
so this is why, you know, I've been fighting this
guy for two and a half years. And so we
all need to get together, Republicans and Democrats, put aside
any of our little differences and start fighting for each other.
Unite instead of divide. Kick George Gascon out of office,
(29:21):
you know, kick all these radicals that have taken over
city council and think theft is okay. You know, def
isn't okay. Kick them out of office, get together as
a group and say, hey, we want to elect normal,
reasonable people who actually want to protect our community and
protect children and families.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
All right, what's the website again, John, for your campaign.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
For DA three is Jonathanhatami dot com, j O n
A T h A n A, Tommy h A p
A m I dot com. And you know, John and Ken,
I love for the support of you and for the community.
I love for your vote. I love for you you're
trying to support my campaign and for the people in
this community to support my campaign because at the end
(30:04):
of the day, I believe everybody in Los Angeles wants
public safety. They're tired of politics as usual, and they
do want to fight for children and families. And what's
going on right now is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
That is wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Crime is wrong. Murdering and torturing children are wrong. And I,
you know, and I don't care what any of these
these radicals say. I will stand up to them and
fight them because it isn't a political issue. It's a
human rights issue. We all live here, and I'm going
to fight for you and for your children and for
my children.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
All right, thank you very much for talking to us
once again. Appreciate all your hard work, all your heart.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
No, thanks, thank you, johnay Kan for having me.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That's Jonathan to Tommy tireless prosecutor, one of the I
think the first guest we had on from inside the
DA's office to go after his boss, George Gasco. Show
a lot of bravery in that too, and he's incredible
in the courtroom in these child abuse cases. More coming up,
Johnny Ken kf I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And the one thing we didn't have enough time to
talk to John had Tommy though about child Services, I mean,
and their failure in the death of Anthony Ovolos, and
this idea that Heather Barren, the mother and by the way,
she and her living boyfriend just got life in prison
without parole. She got sent to parenting classes. When you're
torturing and physically abusing horribly a little boy, you don't
(31:29):
get parenting classes. You get the boy immediately moved from
the home, and you go.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
To prison for life. It's that simple. This upside down
were well, we have to understand, we have to keep
the family together.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, I'm sure she just needs a little bit of
a training and understanding.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's not that hard. Hey, don't drop your kids on
their head. Do you need a class for that? Don't
burn him with cigarettes. We got important news, John. There's
talk about AM radio being removed new cars and trucks.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You heard about this, Well, some stations probably should be.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You want to name them.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If we're in a natural disaster, a text will learn
your phone. It's not gonna be a substitute for what
broadcast radio can provide you in times of need. A
one line text ALURNT cannot take the place of the
voice on the radio talking to you twenty four to seven,
and John promises he'll be here twenty four to seven
covering the disaster because that's what he likes. At the
end of the world, of course, the cell networks may
(32:30):
not even be up and running. So when emergencies occur,
you're a local broadcast radio station is there providing wall
of war coverage, life saving information and a live connection
to the crisis. Radio stays in the aftermath, so you
need to make your voice heard on this issue.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You text The letters am AM for.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Was amplitude modulation, yes, two five to eight eighty six,
and tell Congress to keep AM radio in all cars
and trucks standard message and.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Data rates they apply.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
There.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
You go here and look at this guy over here. Yeah,
don't forget me, Mark Thompson, all.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Right, here's you were ding and don right ding and Don.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
John is so focused that he looks over and he
sees me and he doesn't see Mark.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He is, that's focused. He's like a battery in the
batter's that's right.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
You're president, My president. Joe Biden's running again.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, not my president.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
What come on and jump on board?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Uh ten burglar smash a van into Sherman Oaks marijuana dispensary. Well,
look that's where they have pot and money. You know,
drugs and money. Sure, let's say twofer and then supposed
of both are closed due to l you know West
l A due to a high underground oil league but you.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Know best West l A Beverly Hill Billies.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, well they've got.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Gold.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Get away from there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I know there's oil under uh and and natural gas
was high School and allong Wilshire Boulevard.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Because that's why they never built a subway.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
They were supposed to build it in the nineteen eighties
and they stopped the construction. The the Congressman Henry Waxman
got a bill passed in Congress, no drilling, no subway
construction underground going down Wilshire Boulevard because of the oil
and gas.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Right, and then they said, well, what should we put
on top of the oil and gas field?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
A high school?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It was right, we need that oil and gas. We
just extracted car and there was a cancer cluster of
Beverly Hills High. And I remember Aaron Brockovich got.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Connect it.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
You know it's still in if you go to the
Century City. I think it's still there. There's an oil
rig and an oil well right next to the football
field at Beverly Hills High. Yeah, finally took well they
did take it down. Yeah, yeah, so all the oil
is gone. I should have Eric on the whole night, like,
did you know that that drive flight? No, it's been
on time. Harry del fonted, Oh no, he's fine, he said,
(35:01):
he's at home.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Oh she When you drive in Losienegle, though, you can
still see those rigs, right, those.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Big oil No, they're gone, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Eric, Eric, please just imitate Eric, Eric that's a very
good mark.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Tuning in for the Eric. Do your markets tend to
hit on some girl? Go ahead, you know, Eric, I
don't know if you got a younger sister.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Oh that's interest.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
You didn't like that.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I just say, my wife, she designs clothing for you know,
young beautiful ladies.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I don't even know what he said, but it's funny.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He's dangerous at three fifty eight. He always is.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
And then and then it's downhill for three hours. Dog
Conway Compson crush you with the news twenty four hour Newsroom.
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