November 25, 2025 • 31 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (11/25) - It's Debra Mark's birthday! Previewing the interview with attorney Roger Behle at 2p discussing new information on the State of California's policy to let Topanga State Park burn. Mayor Karen Bass called out Spencer Pratt for spreading "misinformation" and being "deliberately inaccurate."
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happy birthday message, Deborah Mark. It's a birthday today. It's
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a big day. Usually it falls during Thanksgiving weekend. It does,
so it seems like I get jipped. It's been quite
a few years since you got to celebrate on air.
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Speaker 2 (02:49):
Now, I'm really sorry you said that. Yeah, we have
we have a show to do next hour. We're going
to have Roger Bailey on. He's the attorney for thousands
of Palisades residents who lost their homes. And Uh, I
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got a call last night that Roger had a major
document that he wants to share. I'm going to give
you a little bit of a highlight now and then
we're going to go deeper into it in the two
o'clock hour. But uh, you're you're not going to believe this.
But it looks like the official California state policy was
(03:39):
to let that fire area burn. That was actually state
policy in writing that. Uh, the land where the Lockman
fire started and then reignited as the Palisades fire. It
it was basically the same fire. It had cooled somewhat
(03:59):
on The firefire treated it on the first January, but
it was still smoldering. As we now found out, the
rocks were hot, that the tree stumps were hot. There
was still smoke coming out of the ground and out
of the debris. And that area that burned is part
of Tapega State Park.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's state land.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't think Gavin Knews revealed any of this well.
State of California finally sent a document to Roger Bailey's office.
It is the park Wildfire Mitigation Plan for Topega State Park.
And if you go to page fifteen. Now you don't
(04:41):
have page fifteen, but I do. It says the intent
of this wildlife management plan is to provide a framework
for number one, preventing unwonted wildfire events through fuel modification
and planning. Number two, guiding wildfire suppression techniques to protect
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human life and livelihood, park infrastructure and so on. Number
three preserving preserving unique landscapes and enhancing wildlife habitat through
vegetation management. Unless you're ready, unless specified otherwise, State Parks
prefers to let to Penga State Park burn in a
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wildfire event.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That was the official policy. Now this part of.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
The park happens to be adjacent to a lot of homes,
but the land itself is parkland, and apparently it wasn't
well maintained, and there was a lot of fuel, and
the fire got going. And even when there were extreme
warnings about heavy winds, set out of conditions red flag
(05:57):
warning conditions. Despite the new numerous warnings for a week
in advance, they decided, I guess to stick with their policy.
State parks prefer to let to Pega State Park burn
in a wildfire event. In case you wonder what why.
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The response was non existent and the Gavin Newsom did
not send any state trucks there, any any equipment whatsoever.
Nothing was deployed, he claimed he did later, but he
lied nothing was sent because nothing was allowed to be
sent according to their policy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Let's go to page twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To Panga State Park has twenty six special special status
plant species and twenty one special status animal species. Wildfire
is the and I'm skipping through. Wildfire is the dynamic
natural force which renews the vegetative communities of the mountains.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The majority of the park has not burned in over
fifty years. To restore the natural fire frequency and chaparral habitats.
Chapparral's all the shrubbery and brush. Tapega State Park should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits and
outside of fire exclusion zones. So there you have it.
(07:31):
That was the policy. Let it burn, don't put it out.
We have special plant species, special animal species, and we
need fire in order for the park to renew. Oh yeah,
we know there's a lot of people who live in
the palisades, but you know, bad luck for them, huh.
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Page thirty three, And this explains why that troll came
from the State Park Department and told the LA Fire
Department to stop using a bulldozer to build a fire break.
Page thirty three. Avoidance areas. Avoidance areas are where no
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heavy equipment, vehicles, and retardant are allowed, and they are
grouped together and shaded in red on the attached maps.
Avoidance area maps will be provided to the ICE as
physical and digital copies. I'm not sure what the IC is,
but and Bailey writes in his notes, this is consistent
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with the reports we've received that state parks prohibited firefighters
from using bulldovers post bulldozers during the Lockman fire. Going
back to page twenty where I said the parks should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits. The state,
according to Bailey, is the one who determines what reasonable
public safety limits are, and in the case of the
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Lockman fire, the state obviously decided that there were no
public safety limits, so the embers were allowed to smolder
on its land for days until the fire, the Palatines
fire ignited. So what happened on January seventh, that was
the result of Gavin Newsom's official state policy on dealing
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with fire into Pega State Park.
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there already and there'll be more coming. And the rest
of it is at John co Belt Radio. Okay, Roger
Bailey's going to come on with us after two o'clock.
He's the attorney that we've had on a number of times,
and Roger's representing thousands of Palisades residents, and he got
a golden document that came in. There's not supposed to
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be a hearing today. At ten am. He wrote to us,
I don't know, well, I don't want to know what
the specific subject of the hearing, you know, court hearing,
so we will find out from Roger, but just to
briefly give you the highlights. He got a hold from
the State of California the park wild fire mitigation plan
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for Topanga State Park because the Lockman Fire, which turned
into the Palisades Fire a week later, is on to
Panga State Park Land. Yes, Gavin Newsom governed land, and
on one page it says state parks prefers to let
to Bega State Park burn in a wildfire event. On
another page is to penga state parks should be left
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to burn within reasonable public safety limits, and the state
determines what that reasonable limit is. So apparently, those of
you in the Palisades, it was reasonable to Gavin Newsom's
administration to have the whole have the whole town burn.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Next segment, seems like Karen Bass made an appearance on
CNN last night on Alex Michaelson's show, The Story Is,
and he she lashed out at Spencer Pratt, who's on
our show last week, for spreading misinformation and unspecified other people.
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I feel like I'm an unspecified other person. It's might
be it's a man like being an unindicted co conspirator. Yes,
Spencer Pratt and others posting misinformation. And she thinks Pratt
is deliberately inaccurate. You know, she's such a scoundrel. Why
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don't you come in here, Karen, sit down, and we'll
go through all the evidence. You can take it. I'm
sure right, and we'll go through line by line. We
could sit here for hours and hours and you could
explain what the true story is. Since you think everybody
else is spreading misinformation, whatever that is, would that be lies?
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Can't be lies. We all saw what happened. And now
Roger Bailey's got this document which says, oh no, this
actually this all tracks so Panga State Park should burn.
Says it on page fifteen and page twenty. On page
threat thirty three, this explains why that state park troll
chased away. LA Fire Department avoidance areas were no heavy equipment,
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vehicle and retardant are allowed are grouped together and shaded
and read on the attached maps. And that's why when
LA Fire Department took out bulldozers to work the land
after the January first fire, well they were chased away
page forty one. The neighborhoods of Caste Lamar and Pacific
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Highlands along the southern border of the park there are
at significant risk during a wildfire event. When while wildfire
poses a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment, are
the main concern and need to be avoided in these areas.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Do you understand what that says.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They're acknowledging that the Castell Lamar and Pacific high and
neighborhoods are at significant risk during a wildfire event and
other words, it might burn down, but when wildfire poses
a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment, are the
main concern because they didn't want, let's say the milkveitch
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plant to be bulldozed. So even when your neighborhoods in
fire danger, part of their policy is to be more
concerned with what the bulldozers are going to do to.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The milkvetch plant. That's what that says needs.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To be avoided, and page fifty six says avoidance areas
should be shared with incident command, but measures should be
taken to keep the information confidential. In other words, the
public in those neighborhoods should not know that when a
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fire happens, if they have a choice between protecting the
neighborhoods and protecting the milk vetch plant, the milk vetch
plant wins, and those of you in the neighborhoods of
Castelllamuri and Pacific Highlands, you lose, and you Lost's actually
on page fifty six. So what happened was the plant.
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Now I noticed walking around the Palisades a lot and
talking to people that over time people started saying, it's
like they let it burn. It's like that was the policy,
to let it burn. And I noticed it started cropping
up in articles and the La Times would scold and
wag it's finger. It's like, well, these are unfounded, untrue
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claims and suspicions. It's like, oh no, they're not. Actually
it's in black and white. I have the report in
front of me. I don't know how else to interpret
this when the neighborhoods are at significant risk during a wildfire,
but suppression techniques with heavy equipment are the main concern.
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Let it burn. That was the state's plan. Like we'll
play with Karen Bass and Alex Michaelson.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
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Roger Bailey, the attorney coming on. He represents thousands of
Pacific Palisades residents. We have spent the first half hour
of the show going through the revelations. It actually was
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state policy, Gavin Newsom policy that to Pega State Park
should burn during a wildfire event. And that's where the
lockman turned Palisades Fire started on to Penga State Park,
to Beega State parkland. Official policy is to let it burn,
and so they did, and h seven thousand homes and
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other buildings were destroyed. So I g you know, as
long as policy is followed, that's all that that's all
that matters. As long as procedure was in place, the
end result doesn't matter so much. And with this revelation,
did Karen Bass know this? Did Karen Bass know that,
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in the words of this state plan that even if
there is serious wildfire danger to the costellin Marian Pacific
highland neighborhoods, we still don't want bulldozers destroying the vegetation
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for fire suppression.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Did she know that?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like I wonder when she went off on the plane,
she obviously didn't know or didn't care, that the winds
were going to blow very hard, that there was extreme
wind warning, extreme fire danger warning, that if fire because
that's a lot of state there's a lot of state
land up in the Santa Monica Mountains, and that if
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a fire started there, the state doesn't want to put
out and they know it might endanger the local neighborhoods
in the Palisades.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But hey, you know, we got milk vetch plants we
got to care for. Did she know any of this?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
She was on Elex Michaelson's new CNN show, It's very
good show. It's called The Story Is. It's not every
night nine to eleven here on the West Coast, and
he had Karen Bass on to talk about the rebuilding
process in the Palisades.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I haven't heard this yet.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What I do know is she called out Spencer Pratt,
the reality TV store, who we last week and he
has been the leading voice pointing out how insane this
entire situation has been for the last year. But she's
complaining that he's posting misinformation cause that Spencer Pratt and others.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
The Palisades fire. The two biggest issues of the year
in LA have been the immigration and the Palisades Fire.
We're almost at the year mark now, and there's been
some progress when.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It comes to rebuilding.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You just made an announcement this week.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yes, but let me just say that there has been
a lot of progress. Things have been moving fast. However,
people are still out of their houses, and so until
somebody is completely back at home in their community, it's
not helpful to hear how fast everything is going.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Now stop.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I was in the Palisades this morning. The progress is glacial.
I saw it with my own eyes. Again. I invite
her to come with me live on the air and
we can look the streets of Palisades and she can
point to me where all this progress is happening was on?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I mean, what about the fast tracking of rebuilding in
these these areas.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, we're saying that's not that. That hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, No, that hasn't happened. I see if she addresses
it in this clip. She put out a press release
that she referred to Alex and Alex's show, and this
press release was celebrating the first home that was given
a certificate of occupancy approval. What she didn't mention in
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her press release is that home all the paperwork was
put through before the fire.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
This was not a burned out building. It was not
burned out by the fire. Whatever work they did, I
don't know if it was a.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Renovation or rebuild, whatever it was, it was already on
the road before the fire. Then the fire of course delayed,
and now they were able to finish off whatever they
needed to. But the iss to press release is if
it was connected to the fire. Any ordinary person who's
not going to use a lawyerly lens to parse all
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the language would assume from the coverage that, oh, wow,
look they built a house or right, No, no such thing.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, no burned houses have come back to life.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Continue now, having said that, we currently have over three
hundred and forty properties homes that are under construction. Now,
if you look at the fires that took place in
Hawaii two years ago, they have about the same number
of houses that are being constructed.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Not right there, there's sixty sixty eight hundred structures, six
eight hundred structures that were destroyed. She's talking about three
hundred forty six. So at that rate, it's going to
take twenty one years to rebuild. And by the way,
Hawaii LEHNA is one of the biggest disasters of all
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time when it comes to reconstruction. For the same reason,
they have idiots in the bureaucracy, idiots in government that
have this convoluted system that prevents people from easily rebuilding
their burned out homes. She's making the same mistakes. Well,
you know, we're faster. We got three hundred and forty
six in one year, and it's taken them two years
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for the same Both numbers are abysmal.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Both numbers are horrible. Play some more.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That means that we are a year to two years
ahead of what happened over in Hawaii. We have over
two thousand. We've issued over eleven hundred permits for about
six hundred properties. What has been challenging, though, has been
individuals on social media and not who deliberately put out
misinformation that, in my opinion, just continues to traumatize people
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in the Palisades by saying no permits have been issued,
things are going slow and not acknowledging what actually has happened.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Whoa hold on my included in this They are going slow.
I see it with my own eyes. Why don't we
go walk around together. You show me the rapid pace
of reconstruction. I want to see that. I'm not seeing it.
The people I know, a lot of people got burned
out in the Palisades. My kids went to school with
a lot of Palisades residents. We walk in the Palisades
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three times a week, and we run across people on
that path all the time, and they tell their stories.
My wife practically interviews them for twenty minutes because and
none of what she says matches up with everything that
I've heard from people I know and people have met,
and for what I've seen, none of it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So I'd like to see what she's seen.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I got to put on those super X ray augmented
reality glasses that she's wearing play some more.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The announcement we put out is the first home that
the one of the companies built is actually finished and
was given its certificate of occupancy. And so, Thomas James Holmes,
this was a home that was burnt down. There was
not a family that lived there, it was owned by
the company, but now a family can move in there.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
And so I think what you're referring to is Spencer
Pratt criticized not just spend time the timing of this,
saying that this was kind of misleading because that permit
was already issued before the fire.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Act. No, yeah, yeah, well that's actually not accurate. But
Spencer Pratt is deliberately not accurate. But I was not
just referring to him. There are several people who deliberately
put out in this information and to me, that just
continues to traumatize a population that is already dramatized.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right now, you're saying it's inaccurate that the permit and
the plans for this rebuild were before the fire happened.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Yes, I think the way it worked was there was
a permit that was submitted, nothing happened on that and
they resubmitted a permit in April. The April permit is
the permit that happened after the fire, obviously, and the
property that exists that was on that plot of land
was destroyed in the fire.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And the idea of rebuilding that property was something that
was put into place before the fire happened.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And that's where some of the confusion was.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Karen, let's go, let's have a date. We can do
it all week. Want to come, Deborn, I would love to.
All right, we'll take a whole committee and Karen could
show me the amazing progress going on. Why doesn't she
say specifically what the progress is. Why does she say
specifically who's putting out the misinformation?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We got more.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
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Speaker 2 (26:00):
We're you know, Roger Bailey on he's the attorney representing
many thousands of Palisades Palisades residents. He got the official
state plan that the Parks Department has for Topanga State Park,
and that's where the fire actually started, just a little
bit north of the Palisades, and it looks like their policy.
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I could see it in black and White is to
let fires burn at Tobanga State Park and not to
put them out, and not to allow any heavy equipment
to bulldozers to carve out fire lines to prevent spread.
They think protecting local vegetation like the Milkviitch is more important.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's real. It's a bombshell. Now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We just played you a clip from Karen Bass talking
to Alex Michaelson on CNN. And not to be labor this,
but I just want to tell you how she lies
and misleads and massages the truth. There is one house
that's been rebuilt in all the Palisades, and Karen Bass
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issued a press release doing a big victory dance over it.
And the Daily Caller has a good timeline of this,
so you can understand how she turned this into propagandam
Hailey Gomez is the West Coast reporter for the Dailycaller
dot com. Dailycoller dot com, and she writes that The
Los Angeles Times was ripped online after publishing a story
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saying one home had been rebuilt in the Palisades. Records
show the permit was submitted two months before The Fire
Times ran the piece Saturday under the headline the First
home has been rebuilt in the wake of the Palisades fire,
the showcase home by developer Thomas James Holmes. So this
wasn't a resident, it was a showcase. It got the
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certificate of occupancy. Among those who went online blasting it
was a former Coalitions director US House Communications director Phil Hardy,
saying it's not even true.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Spencer Pratt wrote, plans were submitted in November eighth, twenty
twenty four, not a fire rebuild, just a developer spec.
Another one was the founder of Oculus, Palmer Lucky, who
called the piece pure propaganda. This La Times writer, according
to an author Andy Bono, is an example of writing
(28:34):
to manipulate rather than to inform. This is this featured
home was permitted before the fires, and it said that,
and it said what happened is that they did suffer
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from the fire, but it actually saved the developer demolition
time because they were going to tear down the home.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They got a permit, they were going to tear down
the home.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The fire happened and burned the property, but it didn't
burn an existing home. This wasn't an existing home that
was then rebuilt. It was a teardown which instead of
bulldozing it, the fire took care of business. So for
Karen Bass or the Alley Times to take credit, look
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at what's happened here, it's just nonsense in propaganda. Finally,
in the last paragraph in Dailycoller dot com, it said
that that Bass's department there is permit fees that can
run as high as seventy thousand dollars. Seventy thousand dollars
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and that's a that they get that number from the
West Side current. So I you know, I'm at a loss.
You know, she's gonna say whatever she's going to say.
She wants to get reelected. There's plenty of feeble minded
people that are going to believe anything she says because
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she represents the right religion, and that's what it is.
At this point of religion, they have no people don't
have no interest in competence anymore, no interest in somebody
who can make basic decisions like funding a fire department,
or funding a police department, or I don't know, listening
to a weather report or not going to Africa when
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a bad windstorm is coming with high fire danger. I
guess there's going to be thousands that vote.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
For her anyway. It's the limits of human nature, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Roger Bailey, the Palisades Attorney's next on the fire, Debra
Mark Wive and the CAFI twenty four our newsroom k.
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a big day. Usually it falls during Thanksgiving weekend. It does,
so it seems like I get jipped. It's been quite
a few years since you got to celebrate on air.
Then I got to be here for.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Your brain No, and you know what John did. It
was really sweet. John does not like anything vegan.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
In fact, when I bring him in something for his
birthday or the holidays, he makes me swear promise that
it's not vegan, and.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Then you give me something vegan and I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Did a long time ago when we were doing jokes.
So John went to and he didn't even know this,
but actually one.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Of my favorite vegan bakeryes and he brought me vegan cupcakes.
I did post this online on our socials. He also
brought me French fries for in and out, which were
also vegan. And the best part of all this is
that John ate one of the cupcakes that he brought me.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We did a little cheers. It was very cute where
we we each touched the other person's cupcake and then
ate them. Hold that doesn't sound so good, you want
to rephrase.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's not better in.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
My head, we both play cupcakes together.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, all right, it just well, you have lovely cupcakes.
I will thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But you made a promise to me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What was that promise?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You sing happy?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
She's trying to She's trying to pretend that I have
dementia and that I don't remember promising this yet.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
She said, I love working with you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You're the best, and I'm going to do something that
I hardly ever do.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh what's that, John?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
You said?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I will sing happy Birthday because I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Think conversation is entirely made up. That's that's an AI conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Come on, No, no.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, come on, John, please please to embarrassing. You'll both
end up leaving. No, because he'll record it and it'll
be plagued back for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So I know, I take one for the team.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
John. Let me let me think about it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I thought you really liked me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
T girls don't manipulate today. All right, maybe.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Later, Okay you heard that, Eric, get up your courage.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Maybe and later, So.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I take that as a yes. Later.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think we know what the postophone auction should be.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Now, I'm really sorry you said that. Yeah, we have
we have a show to do next hour. We're going
to have Roger Bailey on. He's the attorney for thousands
of Palisades residents who lost their homes. And Uh, I
(03:15):
got a call last night that Roger had a major
document that he wants to share. I'm going to give
you a little bit of a highlight now and then
we're going to go deeper into it in the two
o'clock hour. But uh, you're you're not going to believe this.
But it looks like the official California state policy was
(03:39):
to let that fire area burn. That was actually state
policy in writing that. Uh, the land where the Lockman
fire started and then reignited as the Palisades fire. It
it was basically the same fire. It had cooled somewhat
(03:59):
on The firefire treated it on the first January, but
it was still smoldering. As we now found out, the
rocks were hot, that the tree stumps were hot. There
was still smoke coming out of the ground and out
of the debris. And that area that burned is part
of Tapega State Park.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's state land.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't think Gavin Knews revealed any of this well.
State of California finally sent a document to Roger Bailey's office.
It is the park Wildfire Mitigation Plan for Topega State Park.
And if you go to page fifteen. Now you don't
(04:41):
have page fifteen, but I do. It says the intent
of this wildlife management plan is to provide a framework
for number one, preventing unwonted wildfire events through fuel modification
and planning. Number two, guiding wildfire suppression techniques to protect
(05:02):
human life and livelihood, park infrastructure and so on. Number
three preserving preserving unique landscapes and enhancing wildlife habitat through
vegetation management. Unless you're ready, unless specified otherwise, State Parks
prefers to let to Penga State Park burn in a
(05:24):
wildfire event.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That was the official policy. Now this part of.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
The park happens to be adjacent to a lot of homes,
but the land itself is parkland, and apparently it wasn't
well maintained, and there was a lot of fuel, and
the fire got going. And even when there were extreme
warnings about heavy winds, set out of conditions red flag
(05:57):
warning conditions. Despite the new numerous warnings for a week
in advance, they decided, I guess to stick with their policy.
State parks prefer to let to Pega State Park burn
in a wildfire event. In case you wonder what why.
(06:18):
The response was non existent and the Gavin Newsom did
not send any state trucks there, any any equipment whatsoever.
Nothing was deployed, he claimed he did later, but he
lied nothing was sent because nothing was allowed to be
sent according to their policy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Let's go to page twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To Panga State Park has twenty six special special status
plant species and twenty one special status animal species. Wildfire
is the and I'm skipping through. Wildfire is the dynamic
natural force which renews the vegetative communities of the mountains.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The majority of the park has not burned in over
fifty years. To restore the natural fire frequency and chaparral habitats.
Chapparral's all the shrubbery and brush. Tapega State Park should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits and
outside of fire exclusion zones. So there you have it.
(07:31):
That was the policy. Let it burn, don't put it out.
We have special plant species, special animal species, and we
need fire in order for the park to renew. Oh yeah,
we know there's a lot of people who live in
the palisades, but you know, bad luck for them, huh.
(07:53):
Page thirty three, And this explains why that troll came
from the State Park Department and told the LA Fire
Department to stop using a bulldozer to build a fire break.
Page thirty three. Avoidance areas. Avoidance areas are where no
(08:16):
heavy equipment, vehicles, and retardant are allowed, and they are
grouped together and shaded in red on the attached maps.
Avoidance area maps will be provided to the ICE as
physical and digital copies. I'm not sure what the IC is,
but and Bailey writes in his notes, this is consistent
(08:38):
with the reports we've received that state parks prohibited firefighters
from using bulldovers post bulldozers during the Lockman fire. Going
back to page twenty where I said the parks should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits. The state,
according to Bailey, is the one who determines what reasonable
public safety limits are, and in the case of the
(09:01):
Lockman fire, the state obviously decided that there were no
public safety limits, so the embers were allowed to smolder
on its land for days until the fire, the Palatines
fire ignited. So what happened on January seventh, that was
the result of Gavin Newsom's official state policy on dealing
(09:24):
with fire into Pega State Park.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
We have more coming up here.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
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Speaker 2 (09:38):
Now you should be subscribing on YouTube because we have
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(09:59):
there already and there'll be more coming. And the rest
of it is at John co Belt Radio. Okay, Roger
Bailey's going to come on with us after two o'clock.
He's the attorney that we've had on a number of times,
and Roger's representing thousands of Palisades residents, and he got
a golden document that came in. There's not supposed to
(10:23):
be a hearing today. At ten am. He wrote to us,
I don't know, well, I don't want to know what
the specific subject of the hearing, you know, court hearing,
so we will find out from Roger, but just to
briefly give you the highlights. He got a hold from
the State of California the park wild fire mitigation plan
(10:44):
for Topanga State Park because the Lockman Fire, which turned
into the Palisades Fire a week later, is on to
Panga State Park Land. Yes, Gavin Newsom governed land, and
on one page it says state parks prefers to let
to Bega State Park burn in a wildfire event. On
another page is to penga state parks should be left
(11:08):
to burn within reasonable public safety limits, and the state
determines what that reasonable limit is. So apparently, those of
you in the Palisades, it was reasonable to Gavin Newsom's
administration to have the whole have the whole town burn.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Next segment, seems like Karen Bass made an appearance on
CNN last night on Alex Michaelson's show, The Story Is,
and he she lashed out at Spencer Pratt, who's on
our show last week, for spreading misinformation and unspecified other people.
(11:48):
I feel like I'm an unspecified other person. It's might
be it's a man like being an unindicted co conspirator. Yes,
Spencer Pratt and others posting misinformation. And she thinks Pratt
is deliberately inaccurate. You know, she's such a scoundrel. Why
(12:16):
don't you come in here, Karen, sit down, and we'll
go through all the evidence. You can take it. I'm
sure right, and we'll go through line by line. We
could sit here for hours and hours and you could
explain what the true story is. Since you think everybody
else is spreading misinformation, whatever that is, would that be lies?
(12:41):
Can't be lies. We all saw what happened. And now
Roger Bailey's got this document which says, oh no, this
actually this all tracks so Panga State Park should burn.
Says it on page fifteen and page twenty. On page
threat thirty three, this explains why that state park troll
chased away. LA Fire Department avoidance areas were no heavy equipment,
(13:05):
vehicle and retardant are allowed are grouped together and shaded
and read on the attached maps. And that's why when
LA Fire Department took out bulldozers to work the land
after the January first fire, well they were chased away
page forty one. The neighborhoods of Caste Lamar and Pacific
(13:28):
Highlands along the southern border of the park there are
at significant risk during a wildfire event. When while wildfire
poses a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment, are
the main concern and need to be avoided in these areas.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Do you understand what that says.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They're acknowledging that the Castell Lamar and Pacific high and
neighborhoods are at significant risk during a wildfire event and
other words, it might burn down, but when wildfire poses
a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment, are the
main concern because they didn't want, let's say the milkveitch
(14:18):
plant to be bulldozed. So even when your neighborhoods in
fire danger, part of their policy is to be more
concerned with what the bulldozers are going to do to.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The milkvetch plant. That's what that says needs.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To be avoided, and page fifty six says avoidance areas
should be shared with incident command, but measures should be
taken to keep the information confidential. In other words, the
public in those neighborhoods should not know that when a
(14:56):
fire happens, if they have a choice between protecting the
neighborhoods and protecting the milk vetch plant, the milk vetch
plant wins, and those of you in the neighborhoods of
Castelllamuri and Pacific Highlands, you lose, and you Lost's actually
on page fifty six. So what happened was the plant.
(15:19):
Now I noticed walking around the Palisades a lot and
talking to people that over time people started saying, it's
like they let it burn. It's like that was the policy,
to let it burn. And I noticed it started cropping
up in articles and the La Times would scold and
wag it's finger. It's like, well, these are unfounded, untrue
(15:41):
claims and suspicions. It's like, oh no, they're not. Actually
it's in black and white. I have the report in
front of me. I don't know how else to interpret
this when the neighborhoods are at significant risk during a wildfire,
but suppression techniques with heavy equipment are the main concern.
(16:05):
Let it burn. That was the state's plan. Like we'll
play with Karen Bass and Alex Michaelson.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Run every day from one until four o'clock. After four
o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app.
That's where you can listen to what you missed. Two o'clock.
Roger Bailey, the attorney coming on. He represents thousands of
Pacific Palisades residents. We have spent the first half hour
of the show going through the revelations. It actually was
(16:43):
state policy, Gavin Newsom policy that to Pega State Park
should burn during a wildfire event. And that's where the
lockman turned Palisades Fire started on to Penga State Park,
to Beega State parkland. Official policy is to let it burn,
and so they did, and h seven thousand homes and
(17:06):
other buildings were destroyed. So I g you know, as
long as policy is followed, that's all that that's all
that matters. As long as procedure was in place, the
end result doesn't matter so much. And with this revelation,
did Karen Bass know this? Did Karen Bass know that,
(17:29):
in the words of this state plan that even if
there is serious wildfire danger to the costellin Marian Pacific
highland neighborhoods, we still don't want bulldozers destroying the vegetation
(17:51):
for fire suppression.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Did she know that?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like I wonder when she went off on the plane,
she obviously didn't know or didn't care, that the winds
were going to blow very hard, that there was extreme
wind warning, extreme fire danger warning, that if fire because
that's a lot of state there's a lot of state
land up in the Santa Monica Mountains, and that if
(18:16):
a fire started there, the state doesn't want to put
out and they know it might endanger the local neighborhoods
in the Palisades.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But hey, you know, we got milk vetch plants we
got to care for. Did she know any of this?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
She was on Elex Michaelson's new CNN show, It's very
good show. It's called The Story Is. It's not every
night nine to eleven here on the West Coast, and
he had Karen Bass on to talk about the rebuilding
process in the Palisades.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I haven't heard this yet.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What I do know is she called out Spencer Pratt,
the reality TV store, who we last week and he
has been the leading voice pointing out how insane this
entire situation has been for the last year. But she's
complaining that he's posting misinformation cause that Spencer Pratt and others.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
The Palisades fire. The two biggest issues of the year
in LA have been the immigration and the Palisades Fire.
We're almost at the year mark now, and there's been
some progress when.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It comes to rebuilding.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You just made an announcement this week.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yes, but let me just say that there has been
a lot of progress. Things have been moving fast. However,
people are still out of their houses, and so until
somebody is completely back at home in their community, it's
not helpful to hear how fast everything is going.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Now stop.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I was in the Palisades this morning. The progress is glacial.
I saw it with my own eyes. Again. I invite
her to come with me live on the air and
we can look the streets of Palisades and she can
point to me where all this progress is happening was on?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I mean, what about the fast tracking of rebuilding in
these these areas.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, we're saying that's not that. That hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, No, that hasn't happened. I see if she addresses
it in this clip. She put out a press release
that she referred to Alex and Alex's show, and this
press release was celebrating the first home that was given
a certificate of occupancy approval. What she didn't mention in
(20:37):
her press release is that home all the paperwork was
put through before the fire.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
This was not a burned out building. It was not
burned out by the fire. Whatever work they did, I
don't know if it was a.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Renovation or rebuild, whatever it was, it was already on
the road before the fire. Then the fire of course delayed,
and now they were able to finish off whatever they
needed to. But the iss to press release is if
it was connected to the fire. Any ordinary person who's
not going to use a lawyerly lens to parse all
(21:15):
the language would assume from the coverage that, oh, wow,
look they built a house or right, No, no such thing.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, no burned houses have come back to life.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Continue now, having said that, we currently have over three
hundred and forty properties homes that are under construction. Now,
if you look at the fires that took place in
Hawaii two years ago, they have about the same number
of houses that are being constructed.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Not right there, there's sixty sixty eight hundred structures, six
eight hundred structures that were destroyed. She's talking about three
hundred forty six. So at that rate, it's going to
take twenty one years to rebuild. And by the way,
Hawaii LEHNA is one of the biggest disasters of all
(22:05):
time when it comes to reconstruction. For the same reason,
they have idiots in the bureaucracy, idiots in government that
have this convoluted system that prevents people from easily rebuilding
their burned out homes. She's making the same mistakes. Well,
you know, we're faster. We got three hundred and forty
six in one year, and it's taken them two years
(22:26):
for the same Both numbers are abysmal.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Both numbers are horrible. Play some more.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That means that we are a year to two years
ahead of what happened over in Hawaii. We have over
two thousand. We've issued over eleven hundred permits for about
six hundred properties. What has been challenging, though, has been
individuals on social media and not who deliberately put out
misinformation that, in my opinion, just continues to traumatize people
(22:58):
in the Palisades by saying no permits have been issued,
things are going slow and not acknowledging what actually has happened.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Whoa hold on my included in this They are going slow.
I see it with my own eyes. Why don't we
go walk around together. You show me the rapid pace
of reconstruction. I want to see that. I'm not seeing it.
The people I know, a lot of people got burned
out in the Palisades. My kids went to school with
a lot of Palisades residents. We walk in the Palisades
(23:27):
three times a week, and we run across people on
that path all the time, and they tell their stories.
My wife practically interviews them for twenty minutes because and
none of what she says matches up with everything that
I've heard from people I know and people have met,
and for what I've seen, none of it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So I'd like to see what she's seen.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I got to put on those super X ray augmented
reality glasses that she's wearing play some more.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The announcement we put out is the first home that
the one of the companies built is actually finished and
was given its certificate of occupancy. And so, Thomas James Holmes,
this was a home that was burnt down. There was
not a family that lived there, it was owned by
the company, but now a family can move in there.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
And so I think what you're referring to is Spencer
Pratt criticized not just spend time the timing of this,
saying that this was kind of misleading because that permit
was already issued before the fire.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Act. No, yeah, yeah, well that's actually not accurate. But
Spencer Pratt is deliberately not accurate. But I was not
just referring to him. There are several people who deliberately
put out in this information and to me, that just
continues to traumatize a population that is already dramatized.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right now, you're saying it's inaccurate that the permit and
the plans for this rebuild were before the fire happened.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Yes, I think the way it worked was there was
a permit that was submitted, nothing happened on that and
they resubmitted a permit in April. The April permit is
the permit that happened after the fire, obviously, and the
property that exists that was on that plot of land
was destroyed in the fire.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And the idea of rebuilding that property was something that
was put into place before the fire happened.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And that's where some of the confusion was.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Karen, let's go, let's have a date. We can do
it all week. Want to come, Deborn, I would love to.
All right, we'll take a whole committee and Karen could
show me the amazing progress going on. Why doesn't she
say specifically what the progress is. Why does she say
specifically who's putting out the misinformation?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We got more.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We're you know, Roger Bailey on he's the attorney representing
many thousands of Palisades Palisades residents. He got the official
state plan that the Parks Department has for Topanga State Park,
and that's where the fire actually started, just a little
bit north of the Palisades, and it looks like their policy.
(26:22):
I could see it in black and White is to
let fires burn at Tobanga State Park and not to
put them out, and not to allow any heavy equipment
to bulldozers to carve out fire lines to prevent spread.
They think protecting local vegetation like the Milkviitch is more important.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's real. It's a bombshell. Now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We just played you a clip from Karen Bass talking
to Alex Michaelson on CNN. And not to be labor this,
but I just want to tell you how she lies
and misleads and massages the truth. There is one house
that's been rebuilt in all the Palisades, and Karen Bass
(27:05):
issued a press release doing a big victory dance over it.
And the Daily Caller has a good timeline of this,
so you can understand how she turned this into propagandam
Hailey Gomez is the West Coast reporter for the Dailycaller
dot com. Dailycoller dot com, and she writes that The
Los Angeles Times was ripped online after publishing a story
(27:29):
saying one home had been rebuilt in the Palisades. Records
show the permit was submitted two months before The Fire
Times ran the piece Saturday under the headline the First
home has been rebuilt in the wake of the Palisades fire,
the showcase home by developer Thomas James Holmes. So this
wasn't a resident, it was a showcase. It got the
(27:54):
certificate of occupancy. Among those who went online blasting it
was a former Coalitions director US House Communications director Phil Hardy,
saying it's not even true.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Spencer Pratt wrote, plans were submitted in November eighth, twenty
twenty four, not a fire rebuild, just a developer spec.
Another one was the founder of Oculus, Palmer Lucky, who
called the piece pure propaganda. This La Times writer, according
to an author Andy Bono, is an example of writing
(28:34):
to manipulate rather than to inform. This is this featured
home was permitted before the fires, and it said that,
and it said what happened is that they did suffer
(28:55):
from the fire, but it actually saved the developer demolition
time because they were going to tear down the home.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They got a permit, they were going to tear down
the home.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The fire happened and burned the property, but it didn't
burn an existing home. This wasn't an existing home that
was then rebuilt. It was a teardown which instead of
bulldozing it, the fire took care of business. So for
Karen Bass or the Alley Times to take credit, look
(29:26):
at what's happened here, it's just nonsense in propaganda. Finally,
in the last paragraph in Dailycoller dot com, it said
that that Bass's department there is permit fees that can
run as high as seventy thousand dollars. Seventy thousand dollars
(29:55):
and that's a that they get that number from the
West Side current. So I you know, I'm at a loss.
You know, she's gonna say whatever she's going to say.
She wants to get reelected. There's plenty of feeble minded
people that are going to believe anything she says because
(30:15):
she represents the right religion, and that's what it is.
At this point of religion, they have no people don't
have no interest in competence anymore, no interest in somebody
who can make basic decisions like funding a fire department,
or funding a police department, or I don't know, listening
to a weather report or not going to Africa when
(30:38):
a bad windstorm is coming with high fire danger. I
guess there's going to be thousands that vote.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
For her anyway. It's the limits of human nature, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Roger Bailey, the Palisades Attorney's next on the fire, Debra
Mark Wive and the CAFI twenty four our newsroom k.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
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need some me time, and maybe one out in the
bushes in the backyard.
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