August 25, 2025 • 34 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (08/25) - Lou Penrose fills in for John. Lou Shapiro comes on the show to talk about Pres. Trump ending cashless bail in DC. Pres. Trump is proving rehabilitation for criminals is a myth. Why would people want criminals running amuck on their streets? Update on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can'tf I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt all this week. President
Trump today signed an executive order to end cashless bail
in DC, something he's called for since taking office for
a second term. DC has had cashless bail since ninety two,
where judges can order suspects detained before trial if they
believe they are a threat to the community or a
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flight risk, and President Trump today signed an executive order
ending that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Criminal defense attorney Luke Shapiro joins us.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Louke, thanks for spending some time with us on this.
Before you do, I want your analysis on this. But
before everything I know about bail and booking and bail
bon stuff I learned from watching TV. So for those
of us that never never had a post bail or
ever got booked, can you kind of just give us
a quick primer on what it all means and how
it all works.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Surely I'll walk you through it. So the traditional way
things work are somebody gets arrested, they're taken to the
police station, and the police basically have a schedule like
a manual that they use to determine based on what
they arrested the person for, what the bail amount is
for that charge. Bail bondsman then is usually called to
post that bond because most people don't have the entire
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amount of money to put up front. So let's say
it's fifty thousand for domestic violence case. You could put
up the entire fifty thousand yourself, which you get at
the end of the case, win or lose. Most people
don't want to do that, so they go through a
bail bondsman. They pay about seven to eight percent, so
let's say about three four grand. The bondsman puts up
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the entire fifty thousand in the form of a bond,
and at the end of the case, the bond is
released and the client does not get that money back
to the bail bondsman because that was the fee to
the bail bondsman to clift that entire amount. That is
traditional bail bond. How it works. Oh, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That yes, that makes sense. It explains dog the bounty
hunter explains everything. Okay, So President Trump wants to do so.
In DC since ninety two, they've had cash lists bail.
So how do they compel somebody to show up for
their court date.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Right, So here's how this cash list fail came into play.
What happened was there were arguments that the current system
is unfair because if you have money, you can get out,
and if you don't have money, you might be held
in custody for a low level crime and end up
taking a deal that you wouldn't have taken but for
the fact that you're in jail. Because it's true when
people are in custody, they basically are more likely to
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take a deal just to get out, because obviously jail
is not a fun place. So they passed this no
bail statute and for the most part, I mean, some
people like it, some people hate it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
The offenders that don't have the money love it because
now they're getting out when they otherwise would not have.
But people that have money, some of them are upset
because judges can say, you know what, this is a
domestic violence case. It's a violent crime. I'm not letting
this person out period until they go to court. So
that person who would have been able to get out
under the old system can no longer get out. So
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you have people happy and not happy. And unhappy. Trump
is coming along and saying, I don't like this new
system of no cash failed, because what's happening is if
everyone gets out, or a lot of people get out
and don't have to post money, they don't have an
incentive to come back to court, and they go and
commit other crimes and at least to recidivism. And he's like,
I'm done with it. I don't want it. I'm cutting
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it now. He's cutting it in the federal court system, right,
He's trying to pressure state course by saying I'm going
to cut funding to you so unless you follow this
plan as well. But he doesn't have direct control over
state courts like he does over federal courts.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How much time I mean is there when you say
that somebody that does not have the means to post
even a percentage of the bail has to spend time
in jail and wait until they courtate.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
How much time is allowed? I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Is there is there some kind of limit in which
there's some reasonable amount of time that someone could be
locked up in jail well while awaiting sentencing or at
least the courd heering.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's usually forty eight to seventy two hours, depending on
if it's a misdemeanor or a felony charge. But again
those days can be awful, right, It can seem like
a year for someone who's ever been to jail sitting
there for one day. And then keep in mind if
it's a holiday weekend, which a lot of people get
arrested on, that doesn't count. It's business days usually, so
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they often can get help a lot because of course
I'm a session on Labor Day Monday, for example, So
if you would have been taken a court on Monday,
you got to wait now till Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What can the president do this, by the way, by
executive order or does it have to be does it
have to go through because the President did take over
the police department as part of the federal City Authority,
but not the government itself. So is this something that
still has to go through the DC mayor's office and
the city council because the mayor and the city council
is still.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
In charge there.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You know, the whole executive order power is very ambiguous.
It seems to give the president a lot of power,
and that power is only tested once it gets challenged
in court, and then it's up to whatever judge you
get really that day to say, I think this goes
beyond the president's power, and I think this should be
a law that has to be agreed to by the
House and the Senate and so forth. Or sometimes it's like,
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you know what, he's a president, he can do it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
What would you say to the critics that make the argument, Look,
DC has been a very violent place for far too long,
certainly since ninety two, it's gotten worse than it was
before ninety two.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So we have to make some changes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And it's twenty four hours and then that becomes forty
eight hours because it's a holiday weekend scares you. Then
the best thing you can do is obey the law.
That this serves as a deterrent and sends a signal
stay away from bad times.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah. Look, I think the response is, and we're seeing
this in Los Angeles as well, that local government is
failing the public. I'm protecting them. Right. They'll tell you
statistics show crime is down in certain areas, but you
know what, that's because people aren't reporting them because they
don't want to deal with it. Because if they reported,
the police saying we don't have time for that, we're
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under staff, we're over work, We're not taking more report
for that, so it doesn't get reported. Then statistics go down.
So Trump is fed up and a lot of people
are fed up with the homeless situation that doesn't seem
to be being handled well, which is leading to enough
sicking crime. If you go, if you walk down MacArthur Park,
it is a scary place today, and it's like it's
just being ignored. How is local government ignoring places like
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that where people are shooting up drugs right in front
of you when you're walking down. How is that allowed?
And Trump's saying the same thing in DC? How is
this allowed if the local government is not going to
take care of it, I'm going to take care of it. Look,
I don't agree with Trump on every issue, but on
public safety, there's a lot of room for improvement that
local government is not pulling its weight, and he's just
stepping in and saying, if you're not going to do
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something about it, I'm going to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Criminal defense attorney Lou Shapiro always good catching up.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I do thanks.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I appreciate the education and the analysis, and we will continue,
all right. So President Trump wants to do a way
it's one step, it's one tool in his toolbox.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Here he was this morning Cash's mail.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
We're ending it, but we're starting by ending it in DC,
and that we have the right to do through federalization.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So this is an interesting, as I said, little model.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
If the states are laboratories of democracy for the federal government,
then DC is a laboratory of democracy for major blue
cities with crime problems. And Los Angeles is a major
blue city with a crime problem. So this will be
interesting to see the impact this has. It's a decent
sized model. DC is in the top ten murder capitals
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of the United States, and crime across the board, whether
it's aggravated crime, assault with the deadly weapon, carjackings, robberies,
property crime, all have plummeted over in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
In the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Over a thousand arrests, hundreds of ethereal weapons taken off
the streets, e the gal aliens being captured and processed
for deportation, including gang members. So what some is calling
a heavy handed approach is making the place safer and
this is just yet another step in that direction. So
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is this something we should consider looking at in Los
Angeles and this whole argument, and I hear this far
too often that it disproportionately favors people who are wealthy
enough to buy themselves freedom before trial. I don't think
that's realistic. I mean, I think that's weak sauce. And
I'll tell you why. That's all coming up next. Louke
(08:46):
Penrose in for John Cobelt this week on KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt this week. Thanks for
tuning in. So President Trump wants to end.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Cashless bail in DC and he wants it to be
a model for other major cities that have cashless bail.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And here is somebody kills somebody, they go in, don't
worry about it, no cash, come back in a couple
of months, We'll give you a trial.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You never see the person again.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
And I mean, they kill people and they get out
cashless bail. They thought it was discriminatory to make people
put up money because they just killed three people lying
on the street.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So we just talked with criminal defense attorney LUs Shapiro,
and his analysis I think is spot on in that
people are frustrated.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They're just sick and tired of the crime.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
They're sick and tired of a lot of society ills
and just no improvement.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He mentioned homelessness. It's a perfect example.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
President Trump sick and tired of it as well, and
just doesn't like the idea that you are just free
to go after you've committed a violent crime. And the
argument in favor of the cash list bail, which has
been going on in DC since ninety two, I think
is a weak argument if you want to make the
argument that, well, we can't offer bail in exchange for
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cash because wealthier defendants than can access freedom before trial,
where people that don't have means don't have that access.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like that's lame, that's lame.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Everybody knows that everybody with more money has more access.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's always going to be the case.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Ever hasn't been thus and that's just reality in life.
You can, in fact avoid breaking the law. You can,
in fact avoid committing a violent crime, like it is possible,
believe it or not. Most of us go through our
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entire day without committing assault. Can you imagine that we
talk to some of these criminals and some of these
you know, advocates for criminals, and you would think that
most people commit felonies all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
We're able to control ourselves. So these people are the problem.
They're their own problem. And I don't think that we
need to make society less safe because they don't have
the money to make bail and they don't have any
friends that'll put up the money.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's their fault.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So I just I completely reject that as a valid
point of view. Like, that's one of those huge lies
that we were told all our lives. There's a number,
I have a whole list of them. There's a number
of ridiculous lies that we were taught our whole life,
and everybody just accepted it as true and nobody ever
questioned it. And like it's the statements are like promides.
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I mean they're not even like even thoughtful people have
been telling me my whole life, Lou, crime is a
function of socioeconomics. Everybody knows that poor people commit more crimes,
and people that don't have access to economies and don't
have capital, they're more likely to commit crime.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And you know, and you heard.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This your whole life, and it almost became ingrained and
institutionalized in your brain, and you're thinking, that's kind to
be it right, because you see that poor neighborhoods high
crime rates.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's not true. It's a complete lie.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's a complete lie that poverty causes crime or being
broke causes you to become a criminal. It's not true. Never,
never was true. But yet and then they still perpetuated.
And I suspect they're still telling children, and they're probably
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teaching that to my children. And I you know, I
go through life's lies all the time with my kids.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And that's a biggie that not having money turns you
to a criminal.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And that poverty crosses crime. And you know this to
be true by just opening your eyes.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
If poverty caused crime in the United States, then the
largest crime wave we would have had in this nation
would have been during the Great Depression.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
In fact, those years yielded an American character to present
a generation of people that we now referred to as
the Greatest Generation.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So the opposite happened with respect to the crime thing.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Now, look, I think Trump's approach to crime, particularly in DC,
and I think.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
The US Attorney there Jeanine Piro.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
She has the same attitude, and that is Look, we've
allied criminal activity for decades. We have thought about it,
we have studied it, we have had speakers come on
the panel to talk about it. We introduce people from
different communities of color and different socioeconomic communities and backgrounds,
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and up and down and back and forth and sideways.
We have run the analysis, and we still don't know
why some people just are criminals and comma, there is
zero evidence that rehabilitation works, like recidivism is a thing,
and I think that it would be wise, at least
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in a place like Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Or in many areas of Los.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Angeles, just to accept the fact that there's very little
we can do. People are just gonna be thieves. People
are just gonna be robbers. People are just gonna be assailants,
and the safest thing the rest of us can do
is to grab them and lock them.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Up and maybe they'll come to their senses. Who knows.
But I can't.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We can't worry about it, and we can't ad on
the side of pity for them, because that's unsafe for us.
And I think far too often that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We do we think we overthink it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We think, well, you know broken homes Baltimore, you know
so many children without fathers. What do you think is
gonna happen? Of course this is gonna happen, not their fault,
product of the rep bringing, and that we overthink it all.
And then the next thing you know, your car gets
stolen or you get knocked over the head and they
steal your laptop. I told you I worked in Washington,
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d C. The Washington d C that you see on
House of Cards or West Wing, that's not the Washington
d C. The Washington DC that you see when you
go on your kids boy scout trip to the nation's
capital or you go back there and go on a
White House tour or Capitol Hill tour.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's not Washington d C.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's the monuments and the hotel and the cab and
the airport. The real washing in DC, at least up
until two weeks ago, was a third world hell hole,
horrible place where if it's dark out.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You don't stop at stop signs. You keep rolling. You
would never.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Stop at a red light if you're especially if you're
alone in the car, but really it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You're gonna have four.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Buddies with you, because they'll come out of the bushes
with five and they'll they'll grab your car and kick
you in the gut and drive away in your car
and leave you on the street bleeding.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So you would. That's that's the reality of Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Carjacking was rampant, And I remember driving back from the airport,
driving the congressman to the airport and driving back to
my apartment and thinking, I'm not stopping at that red light.
I'm gonna look both ways and roll like if there's
a cop there, you stop. But there's a cop there.
Most of the time there's not a cop there. So
like that's the Washington d C. That most people have
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to live or at least, up until two weeks ago,
had to live in.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And that's just carjackings.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I mean, just going to the bank, going to the ATM,
machines constantly on edge. You see a group of people
and you're walking or you're walking toward your car and
there's a group of people between you and the car.
Right It's like your fortress of solitude is your car
and the office building you work in, and to a
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lesser extent, your apartment and every single day you get
home and it's a complete crapshoot, whether or not your
front door is broken, and they stole your TV and
your laptop.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And it happened all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I work with staff members that worked on the Hill,
and there was always a story if somebody got their
car broken into, somebody got their stuff robs, somebody broke
into a window over the weekend. It's just constant and
it's annoying, and it's not first world, it's third world.
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And so President Trump is putting a stop to it.
And I think on this issue, on the issue of
law and order, Democrats are in a bad spot because
nobody likes it the way it was. You can argue
that this is heavy handed. You could argue that it's overreaching.
You could argue that it's arbitrary and capricious. It is
certainly all those things. But it is dropping the crime
rate in this major US city like a stone. And
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it's causing everybody in cities like San Francisco and Los
Angeles and San Diego and Chicago and New York and
in Denver and in Birmingham, Alabama, and Baltimore, Maryland to
think to themselves g it would be great if carjacking
in my city dropped by sixty eight percent in a week.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That sounds lovely.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
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President Trump on the crime thing in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
As the rest of.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Us watch and see little else but success.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Like the numbers are going down. It's a safer place. Now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
He's on this whole bail thing, and I don't know
if it's gonna make a difference.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It seems like a waste of time to let somebody
off and expect them to show up for their court
hearing like you got them, keep them in jail, and
if they committed a crime over the weekend and they
have to spend Labor day in jail, I mean, that's
what happens. I remind you that most of us don't
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go to jail. Most of us don't break laws, most
of us don't commit felonies, most of us don't commit assault.
We go through our whole lives and don't at least
don't get caught assaulting anybody. So it is possible, you know,
to keep your hands to yourself. But the wake of
all this, this is fascinating to me, there are still demonstrations.
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Now there's small demonstrations and pretty weak and almost exclusively
liberal white women, but there are still demonstrations in Washington,
d C.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
They're mad, I guess that crime has gone down.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They're mad that the National Guard is rolling through the streets.
They're mad that the good guys have taken over the city.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They don't like it. So here is.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Some idiot at the in the subway in Washington, DC,
and she's yelling to everybody on the subway that there
are Ice agents on the platform.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So the cop is like, lady, you're not allowed to
yell and screaming here, which is probably true.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You can't be disorderly agent station. I am complying with
your law order. I'm completely listen to her. What a twit.
I am complying with your lawful order.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Cops like, you know what, if you're not getting on
the train or getting on a bus, then exit the station,
all right.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
People are trying to get through and you're uh, you're.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Making a racket and people have to go home and
nobody needs to hear from you. I love that because
you're causing a disruption, disruption and people would try to
come home from work. This is what I've been saying.
Democrats don't have a political problem. Democrats have a maturity problem.
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This woman is in political She's immature. All of these
screaming idiots in d C, in downtown Los Angeles, you know,
yelling and screaming at the ice fans, yelling and screaming
at the National Guard. These are immature people, and they
are the core constituency of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And nobody likes immaturity in the face of crime and lawlessness.
I justify your presence. I'm happy to stay out here.
I love the comp people are coming home from work.
They don't need you. And I don't know, is am
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I missing a television show.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
There must be a hit series on Netflix besides The
Hunting Wives, which really is what this woman should be watching.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's better for her.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because there is this I don't know, this do gooder.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Mister helper mentality that's going on.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I don't know how they are able to be at
the home depot the exact time that the ice rate
is going down.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But there's always somebody there.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There's always some mister help And I don't know what
TV show he's watching, but he believes that he is
la law. This is over the weekend in Sherman Oaks
at the home Depot. Now, I was at the home
depot over the weekend, not in Sherman Oaks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I didn't see any ice raids.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And I'll tell you what if I see the ice
fans roll up to the parking lot while I'm in
there getting something at the home depot.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'll step aside.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Want to let those boys handle it, because you never
know what's going on when they get these guys, they
resist the rest.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do you know why the illegals resist the rest Because
they know they're illegal. They know that the jig is up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They know that when the ice van rolls up on them,
they are never getting out of that van.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Figuratively speaking, I mean they.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Are being processed and deported and will never come back
because that wall has now been painted black, so they're
not climbing the wall.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's over and they know that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And it's actually a dangerous spot for the federal agents,
which is why they need the element of surprise, because
at this point the illegal has nothing to lose. And
every single time there's a story, every single time there's
a you know, a raid, you get the news agencies
with the story of just oh, these poor landscape workers,
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or are this construction worker or these gardeners? Right, and
then two days later Ice releases a statement that the
person that you thought was a gardener was wanted on multiple.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Crimes.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean, like it just as a whole laundry list
in that rap sheet, like aggravated assault, assault with the
dead weapon, duy, child trafficking, and that's what really happened.
But despite that being the case, one hundred percent of
the time, every time there's a story, there's always somebody
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a some liberal white woman in this case, a liberal
white effeminate man.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He's out there pretending like he's the attorney.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Here's the sherman, Oaks, mister helper, warrant, what's your war.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Who are you pale?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
What?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What are you? What do you mannix? What do you mean?
Where's your warrant?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They don't have to show people in the parking lot
the warrant. They don't even have to respond to you.
They don't have to even act like you're there. So
get yourself under control. Okay, Let the ICE agents do
their job. Don't you worry about whether or not they
have a warrant or not. Trust me when I tell
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you the illegal that's going in the back of the
van knows very well they're illegal. They know the crimes
they've committed. They know that there's no going back. And
remember the Loup Penrose rule. There are no tears in
the back of.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
An ICE van.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
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why you Ganda? Why is mister Abrego Garcia headed for Uganda?
So Kilmar Abrego Garcia is now in ICE custody and
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he had an opportunity to go to Costa Rica if
he admitted to participating in human trafficking. In twenty nineteen,
he was picked up in Washington, DC as a member
and validated as a member of MS thirteen. He was
arrested with two other members MS thirteen with rolls of
cash and drugs. Does that sound like a construction worker
(27:04):
to you. MS thirteen gang members tend to not hang
out with people who are not MS thirteen gang members,
and people in the construction business never have rolls of cash.
They have some cash, but it's usually gone, you know,
by Friday night. So they said, look, pal uh, just
(27:27):
realize that you are.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Illegally in the United States. You're a criminal. I mean,
it goes on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He violated a tro because he scratched and ripped his wife's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Shirt open, and so she got a temporary restraining order.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
He has violated that. In December of twenty twenty two,
he was stopped in Tennessee for speeding and they had
eight people in the car, all illegals, so he was
trafficking them. He also solicited nude photographs of a minor.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
This is this is a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Okay, we don't need him in the country, And they said,
you know, help us confirm all this stuff, and you'll
go to Costa Rica, which is close to El Salvador,
which is where you're from. We think that's what you're saying.
We don't know, because illegals lie. I don't know if
you know that illegals tend to lie. They lie a lot.
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They lie to the ice agent, they lie to the
immigration judge, they lie to the courts, they lie to
the passport office, they lie to you. They lie to
the lady at the elementary school, and they go to
enroll their kids in public school and they say they're residents,
because they can't be a resident.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
If you're legally illegally in the United States anywhere.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
They lie all the time. They're constantly lying. So he says, well,
I'm from Al Salvador. How do you know that? It
is the nature of undocumented people do not have documentation.
So we don't know what's going on with this guy.
So what we have to do is number one, remove
him from society and hold him somewhere at our.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Expense, and then we've got to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
We got to call our counterparts in the Al Salvador
government and say, you got, like any documents on this guy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Was he born there? Does he have a passport? Is
he committed any crimes there?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
That's all got to be squared away, and we have
to work on that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So while we work on that, he's not allowed to
just be in Maryland, so we're putting him in.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
A detention facility.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And recently the President of the United States worked out
a deal with Uganda. Uganda is the largest recipient of
foreign aid on the African continent. We're one of the
largest recipients, and they really don't have anything to give
us an exchange, and the President likes to make a deal.
He likes to be even Stephen like, we'll give you
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the foreign aid, very poor country, but we want something.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What do he got?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
And they said, well, I mean we have detention facilities.
They're very nice in Uganda, and thus came the August
Attention Agreement. Under the deal, Uganda will accept third world
nationals that have not been granted asylum in the United States.
The conditions are that they have to accept individuals that
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do not unaccompany minors and no violent criminals.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So good news for killmar Like, he hasn't killed anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yet, So he's eligible to be housed in Uganda, and
that's where he'll be until we can eventually help him
find his way back home. Now, he could have went
home all this time.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And this is why that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
This entire like free kill Maar rally that's taking place
in Baltimore, Maryland right now.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's absurd.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Free him from who he's the one lying. He's not
being honest. Like all the illegals that came into the
United States under the Biden administration pretending to be seeking asylum, they.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Were all lying. They know they're lying, they know they're
not seeking asylum. Asylum is a thing. Lou Penrose rule
number four words matter.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I did immigration casework for fifteen years for three members
of Congress.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I either did it myself or I managed staff that
did it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So I know immigration case law and asylum is a thing,
a very specific thing. You have to demonstrate that you
are facing persecution or death in your home country based
on race, religion, nationality, membership, and a social group, which
is a complicated thing.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But kill Maar ain't it. Or your political opinion.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
In other words, you are either facing imprisonment or capital
punishment in your home country because of your race.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So I think kill mar doesn't fit that bill.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Like he's not eligible for asylum. Religion no, don't think so.
Nationality no, because he would be from else he's saying
he's from El Salvador. So he's not being like, they're
not persecuting El Salvadorians in El Salvador. Membership in a
particular social group that's a that's called a PSG. It's
kind of complicated, but basically pro American groups in other
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countries are considered terrorists in their country.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
In other words, if you are trying.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
To overthrow the authoritarian leadership in Tehran, you're a terrorist
to write the that that that leadership, but you're pro freedom,
so you have to be like in that group of
trying to promote freedom in an authoritarian or totalitarian regime.
(32:42):
He ain't that, Like, he's not some kind of uh,
you know, political leader. And I don't think he's even
registered to vote, so I don't think his political party
is this problem.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's the five conditions, race, religion, nationality, membership in a
special group or political opinion. And he doesn't qualify. And
he always knew he didn't qualify. He was seeking asylum
in the United States. The illegals learned that if you
just say I'm seeking asylum in the United States, we
because we're such great people will let you stay until
(33:13):
it's all sorted out, like, oh, you're gonna be killed,
all right, Well, we don't want you to get killed,
so just relax, you know, give us your information and
go live with your aunt somewhere in Pasadena until we
sort it all out, and then we'll call you when
the date for the judge.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, like Mikyle Barishnikov.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
When he defected from the Soviet Union, like he was
facing persecution and jail time, so he sought asylum.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He got asylum. Like that makes it a little more sense,
and a stays your Romanov. If you're the daughter of.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The massacred tsar, probably a dangerous person to be that person,
she would have been an eligible for asylum.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Kill mar not eligible for asylum, And.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Now he's on his way to Uganda and Jimmy Crackcorn
and I don't care.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So when we come back, we'll talk with Art Arthur.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He's the Resident Fellow in Law and Policy at the
Center for Immigration Studies, and we'll get the latest on
kill Mahar and everybody else that's like Kilmore. That's all
coming up next on KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere
on the iHeartRadio app lou Penrose if of John Colebelt
on KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
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You can always hear the show live on KFI AM
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:06):
Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt all this week. President
Trump today signed an executive order to end cashless bail
in DC, something he's called for since taking office for
a second term. DC has had cashless bail since ninety two,
where judges can order suspects detained before trial if they
believe they are a threat to the community or a
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flight risk, and President Trump today signed an executive order
ending that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Criminal defense attorney Luke Shapiro joins us.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Louke, thanks for spending some time with us on this.
Before you do, I want your analysis on this. But
before everything I know about bail and booking and bail
bon stuff I learned from watching TV. So for those
of us that never never had a post bail or
ever got booked, can you kind of just give us
a quick primer on what it all means and how
it all works.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Surely I'll walk you through it. So the traditional way
things work are somebody gets arrested, they're taken to the
police station, and the police basically have a schedule like
a manual that they use to determine based on what
they arrested the person for, what the bail amount is
for that charge. Bail bondsman then is usually called to
post that bond because most people don't have the entire
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amount of money to put up front. So let's say
it's fifty thousand for domestic violence case. You could put
up the entire fifty thousand yourself, which you get at
the end of the case, win or lose. Most people
don't want to do that, so they go through a
bail bondsman. They pay about seven to eight percent, so
let's say about three four grand. The bondsman puts up
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the entire fifty thousand in the form of a bond,
and at the end of the case, the bond is
released and the client does not get that money back
to the bail bondsman because that was the fee to
the bail bondsman to clift that entire amount. That is
traditional bail bond. How it works. Oh, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That yes, that makes sense. It explains dog the bounty
hunter explains everything. Okay, So President Trump wants to do so.
In DC since ninety two, they've had cash lists bail.
So how do they compel somebody to show up for
their court date.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Right, So here's how this cash list fail came into play.
What happened was there were arguments that the current system
is unfair because if you have money, you can get out,
and if you don't have money, you might be held
in custody for a low level crime and end up
taking a deal that you wouldn't have taken but for
the fact that you're in jail. Because it's true when
people are in custody, they basically are more likely to
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take a deal just to get out, because obviously jail
is not a fun place. So they passed this no
bail statute and for the most part, I mean, some
people like it, some people hate it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
The offenders that don't have the money love it because
now they're getting out when they otherwise would not have.
But people that have money, some of them are upset
because judges can say, you know what, this is a
domestic violence case. It's a violent crime. I'm not letting
this person out period until they go to court. So
that person who would have been able to get out
under the old system can no longer get out. So
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you have people happy and not happy. And unhappy. Trump
is coming along and saying, I don't like this new
system of no cash failed, because what's happening is if
everyone gets out, or a lot of people get out
and don't have to post money, they don't have an
incentive to come back to court, and they go and
commit other crimes and at least to recidivism. And he's like,
I'm done with it. I don't want it. I'm cutting
(03:27):
it now. He's cutting it in the federal court system, right,
He's trying to pressure state course by saying I'm going
to cut funding to you so unless you follow this
plan as well. But he doesn't have direct control over
state courts like he does over federal courts.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How much time I mean is there when you say
that somebody that does not have the means to post
even a percentage of the bail has to spend time
in jail and wait until they courtate.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
How much time is allowed? I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Is there is there some kind of limit in which
there's some reasonable amount of time that someone could be
locked up in jail well while awaiting sentencing or at
least the courd heering.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's usually forty eight to seventy two hours, depending on
if it's a misdemeanor or a felony charge. But again
those days can be awful, right, It can seem like
a year for someone who's ever been to jail sitting
there for one day. And then keep in mind if
it's a holiday weekend, which a lot of people get
arrested on, that doesn't count. It's business days usually, so
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they often can get help a lot because of course
I'm a session on Labor Day Monday, for example, So
if you would have been taken a court on Monday,
you got to wait now till Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What can the president do this, by the way, by
executive order or does it have to be does it
have to go through because the President did take over
the police department as part of the federal City Authority,
but not the government itself. So is this something that
still has to go through the DC mayor's office and
the city council because the mayor and the city council
is still.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
In charge there.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You know, the whole executive order power is very ambiguous.
It seems to give the president a lot of power,
and that power is only tested once it gets challenged
in court, and then it's up to whatever judge you
get really that day to say, I think this goes
beyond the president's power, and I think this should be
a law that has to be agreed to by the
House and the Senate and so forth. Or sometimes it's like,
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you know what, he's a president, he can do it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
What would you say to the critics that make the argument, Look,
DC has been a very violent place for far too long,
certainly since ninety two, it's gotten worse than it was
before ninety two.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So we have to make some changes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And it's twenty four hours and then that becomes forty
eight hours because it's a holiday weekend scares you. Then
the best thing you can do is obey the law.
That this serves as a deterrent and sends a signal
stay away from bad times.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah. Look, I think the response is, and we're seeing
this in Los Angeles as well, that local government is
failing the public. I'm protecting them. Right. They'll tell you
statistics show crime is down in certain areas, but you
know what, that's because people aren't reporting them because they
don't want to deal with it. Because if they reported,
the police saying we don't have time for that, we're
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under staff, we're over work, We're not taking more report
for that, so it doesn't get reported. Then statistics go down.
So Trump is fed up and a lot of people
are fed up with the homeless situation that doesn't seem
to be being handled well, which is leading to enough
sicking crime. If you go, if you walk down MacArthur Park,
it is a scary place today, and it's like it's
just being ignored. How is local government ignoring places like
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that where people are shooting up drugs right in front
of you when you're walking down. How is that allowed?
And Trump's saying the same thing in DC? How is
this allowed if the local government is not going to
take care of it, I'm going to take care of it. Look,
I don't agree with Trump on every issue, but on
public safety, there's a lot of room for improvement that
local government is not pulling its weight, and he's just
stepping in and saying, if you're not going to do
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something about it, I'm going to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Criminal defense attorney Lou Shapiro always good catching up.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I do thanks.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I appreciate the education and the analysis, and we will continue,
all right. So President Trump wants to do a way
it's one step, it's one tool in his toolbox.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Here he was this morning Cash's mail.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
We're ending it, but we're starting by ending it in DC,
and that we have the right to do through federalization.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So this is an interesting, as I said, little model.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
If the states are laboratories of democracy for the federal government,
then DC is a laboratory of democracy for major blue
cities with crime problems. And Los Angeles is a major
blue city with a crime problem. So this will be
interesting to see the impact this has. It's a decent
sized model. DC is in the top ten murder capitals
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of the United States, and crime across the board, whether
it's aggravated crime, assault with the deadly weapon, carjackings, robberies,
property crime, all have plummeted over in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
In the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Over a thousand arrests, hundreds of ethereal weapons taken off
the streets, e the gal aliens being captured and processed
for deportation, including gang members. So what some is calling
a heavy handed approach is making the place safer and
this is just yet another step in that direction. So
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is this something we should consider looking at in Los
Angeles and this whole argument, and I hear this far
too often that it disproportionately favors people who are wealthy
enough to buy themselves freedom before trial. I don't think
that's realistic. I mean, I think that's weak sauce. And
I'll tell you why. That's all coming up next. Louke
(08:46):
Penrose in for John Cobelt this week on KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt this week. Thanks for
tuning in. So President Trump wants to end.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Cashless bail in DC and he wants it to be
a model for other major cities that have cashless bail.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And here is somebody kills somebody, they go in, don't
worry about it, no cash, come back in a couple
of months, We'll give you a trial.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You never see the person again.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
And I mean, they kill people and they get out
cashless bail. They thought it was discriminatory to make people
put up money because they just killed three people lying
on the street.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So we just talked with criminal defense attorney LUs Shapiro,
and his analysis I think is spot on in that
people are frustrated.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They're just sick and tired of the crime.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
They're sick and tired of a lot of society ills
and just no improvement.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He mentioned homelessness. It's a perfect example.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
President Trump sick and tired of it as well, and
just doesn't like the idea that you are just free
to go after you've committed a violent crime. And the
argument in favor of the cash list bail, which has
been going on in DC since ninety two, I think
is a weak argument if you want to make the
argument that, well, we can't offer bail in exchange for
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cash because wealthier defendants than can access freedom before trial,
where people that don't have means don't have that access.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like that's lame, that's lame.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Everybody knows that everybody with more money has more access.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's always going to be the case.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Ever hasn't been thus and that's just reality in life.
You can, in fact avoid breaking the law. You can,
in fact avoid committing a violent crime, like it is possible,
believe it or not. Most of us go through our
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entire day without committing assault. Can you imagine that we
talk to some of these criminals and some of these
you know, advocates for criminals, and you would think that
most people commit felonies all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
We're able to control ourselves. So these people are the problem.
They're their own problem. And I don't think that we
need to make society less safe because they don't have
the money to make bail and they don't have any
friends that'll put up the money.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's their fault.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So I just I completely reject that as a valid
point of view. Like, that's one of those huge lies
that we were told all our lives. There's a number,
I have a whole list of them. There's a number
of ridiculous lies that we were taught our whole life,
and everybody just accepted it as true and nobody ever
questioned it. And like it's the statements are like promides.
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I mean they're not even like even thoughtful people have
been telling me my whole life, Lou, crime is a
function of socioeconomics. Everybody knows that poor people commit more crimes,
and people that don't have access to economies and don't
have capital, they're more likely to commit crime.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And you know, and you heard.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This your whole life, and it almost became ingrained and
institutionalized in your brain, and you're thinking, that's kind to
be it right, because you see that poor neighborhoods high
crime rates.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's not true. It's a complete lie.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's a complete lie that poverty causes crime or being
broke causes you to become a criminal. It's not true. Never,
never was true. But yet and then they still perpetuated.
And I suspect they're still telling children, and they're probably
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teaching that to my children. And I you know, I
go through life's lies all the time with my kids.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And that's a biggie that not having money turns you
to a criminal.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And that poverty crosses crime. And you know this to
be true by just opening your eyes.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
If poverty caused crime in the United States, then the
largest crime wave we would have had in this nation
would have been during the Great Depression.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
In fact, those years yielded an American character to present
a generation of people that we now referred to as
the Greatest Generation.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So the opposite happened with respect to the crime thing.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Now, look, I think Trump's approach to crime, particularly in DC,
and I think.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
The US Attorney there Jeanine Piro.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
She has the same attitude, and that is Look, we've
allied criminal activity for decades. We have thought about it,
we have studied it, we have had speakers come on
the panel to talk about it. We introduce people from
different communities of color and different socioeconomic communities and backgrounds,
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and up and down and back and forth and sideways.
We have run the analysis, and we still don't know
why some people just are criminals and comma, there is
zero evidence that rehabilitation works, like recidivism is a thing,
and I think that it would be wise, at least
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in a place like Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Or in many areas of Los.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Angeles, just to accept the fact that there's very little
we can do. People are just gonna be thieves. People
are just gonna be robbers. People are just gonna be assailants,
and the safest thing the rest of us can do
is to grab them and lock them.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Up and maybe they'll come to their senses. Who knows.
But I can't.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We can't worry about it, and we can't ad on
the side of pity for them, because that's unsafe for us.
And I think far too often that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We do we think we overthink it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We think, well, you know broken homes Baltimore, you know
so many children without fathers. What do you think is
gonna happen? Of course this is gonna happen, not their fault,
product of the rep bringing, and that we overthink it all.
And then the next thing you know, your car gets
stolen or you get knocked over the head and they
steal your laptop. I told you I worked in Washington,
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d C. The Washington d C that you see on
House of Cards or West Wing, that's not the Washington
d C. The Washington DC that you see when you
go on your kids boy scout trip to the nation's
capital or you go back there and go on a
White House tour or Capitol Hill tour.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's not Washington d C.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's the monuments and the hotel and the cab and
the airport. The real washing in DC, at least up
until two weeks ago, was a third world hell hole,
horrible place where if it's dark out.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You don't stop at stop signs. You keep rolling. You
would never.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Stop at a red light if you're especially if you're
alone in the car, but really it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You're gonna have four.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Buddies with you, because they'll come out of the bushes
with five and they'll they'll grab your car and kick
you in the gut and drive away in your car
and leave you on the street bleeding.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So you would. That's that's the reality of Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Carjacking was rampant, And I remember driving back from the airport,
driving the congressman to the airport and driving back to
my apartment and thinking, I'm not stopping at that red light.
I'm gonna look both ways and roll like if there's
a cop there, you stop. But there's a cop there.
Most of the time there's not a cop there. So
like that's the Washington d C. That most people have
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to live or at least, up until two weeks ago,
had to live in.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And that's just carjackings.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I mean, just going to the bank, going to the ATM,
machines constantly on edge. You see a group of people
and you're walking or you're walking toward your car and
there's a group of people between you and the car.
Right It's like your fortress of solitude is your car
and the office building you work in, and to a
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lesser extent, your apartment and every single day you get
home and it's a complete crapshoot, whether or not your
front door is broken, and they stole your TV and
your laptop.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And it happened all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I work with staff members that worked on the Hill,
and there was always a story if somebody got their
car broken into, somebody got their stuff robs, somebody broke
into a window over the weekend. It's just constant and
it's annoying, and it's not first world, it's third world.
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And so President Trump is putting a stop to it.
And I think on this issue, on the issue of
law and order, Democrats are in a bad spot because
nobody likes it the way it was. You can argue
that this is heavy handed. You could argue that it's overreaching.
You could argue that it's arbitrary and capricious. It is
certainly all those things. But it is dropping the crime
rate in this major US city like a stone. And
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it's causing everybody in cities like San Francisco and Los
Angeles and San Diego and Chicago and New York and
in Denver and in Birmingham, Alabama, and Baltimore, Maryland to
think to themselves g it would be great if carjacking
in my city dropped by sixty eight percent in a week.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That sounds lovely.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Loup Penrose Info, John co Belt on KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
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President Trump on the crime thing in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
As the rest of.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Us watch and see little else but success.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Like the numbers are going down. It's a safer place. Now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
He's on this whole bail thing, and I don't know
if it's gonna make a difference.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It seems like a waste of time to let somebody
off and expect them to show up for their court
hearing like you got them, keep them in jail, and
if they committed a crime over the weekend and they
have to spend Labor day in jail, I mean, that's
what happens. I remind you that most of us don't
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go to jail. Most of us don't break laws, most
of us don't commit felonies, most of us don't commit assault.
We go through our whole lives and don't at least
don't get caught assaulting anybody. So it is possible, you know,
to keep your hands to yourself. But the wake of
all this, this is fascinating to me, there are still demonstrations.
(20:04):
Now there's small demonstrations and pretty weak and almost exclusively
liberal white women, but there are still demonstrations in Washington,
d C.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
They're mad, I guess that crime has gone down.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They're mad that the National Guard is rolling through the streets.
They're mad that the good guys have taken over the city.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They don't like it. So here is.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Some idiot at the in the subway in Washington, DC,
and she's yelling to everybody on the subway that there
are Ice agents on the platform.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So the cop is like, lady, you're not allowed to
yell and screaming here, which is probably true.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You can't be disorderly agent station. I am complying with
your law order. I'm completely listen to her. What a twit.
I am complying with your lawful order.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Cops like, you know what, if you're not getting on
the train or getting on a bus, then exit the station,
all right.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
People are trying to get through and you're uh, you're.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Making a racket and people have to go home and
nobody needs to hear from you. I love that because
you're causing a disruption, disruption and people would try to
come home from work. This is what I've been saying.
Democrats don't have a political problem. Democrats have a maturity problem.
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This woman is in political She's immature. All of these
screaming idiots in d C, in downtown Los Angeles, you know,
yelling and screaming at the ice fans, yelling and screaming
at the National Guard. These are immature people, and they
are the core constituency of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And nobody likes immaturity in the face of crime and lawlessness.
I justify your presence. I'm happy to stay out here.
I love the comp people are coming home from work.
They don't need you. And I don't know, is am
(22:31):
I missing a television show.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
There must be a hit series on Netflix besides The
Hunting Wives, which really is what this woman should be watching.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's better for her.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because there is this I don't know, this do gooder.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Mister helper mentality that's going on.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I don't know how they are able to be at
the home depot the exact time that the ice rate
is going down.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But there's always somebody there.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There's always some mister help And I don't know what
TV show he's watching, but he believes that he is
la law. This is over the weekend in Sherman Oaks
at the home Depot. Now, I was at the home
depot over the weekend, not in Sherman Oaks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I didn't see any ice raids.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And I'll tell you what if I see the ice
fans roll up to the parking lot while I'm in
there getting something at the home depot.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'll step aside.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Want to let those boys handle it, because you never
know what's going on when they get these guys, they
resist the rest.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do you know why the illegals resist the rest Because
they know they're illegal. They know that the jig is up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They know that when the ice van rolls up on them,
they are never getting out of that van.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Figuratively speaking, I mean they.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Are being processed and deported and will never come back
because that wall has now been painted black, so they're
not climbing the wall.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's over and they know that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And it's actually a dangerous spot for the federal agents,
which is why they need the element of surprise, because
at this point the illegal has nothing to lose. And
every single time there's a story, every single time there's
a you know, a raid, you get the news agencies
with the story of just oh, these poor landscape workers,
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or are this construction worker or these gardeners? Right, and
then two days later Ice releases a statement that the
person that you thought was a gardener was wanted on multiple.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Crimes.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean, like it just as a whole laundry list
in that rap sheet, like aggravated assault, assault with the
dead weapon, duy, child trafficking, and that's what really happened.
But despite that being the case, one hundred percent of
the time, every time there's a story, there's always somebody
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a some liberal white woman in this case, a liberal
white effeminate man.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He's out there pretending like he's the attorney.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Here's the sherman, Oaks, mister helper, warrant, what's your war.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Who are you pale?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
What?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What are you? What do you mannix? What do you mean?
Where's your warrant?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They don't have to show people in the parking lot
the warrant. They don't even have to respond to you.
They don't have to even act like you're there. So
get yourself under control. Okay, Let the ICE agents do
their job. Don't you worry about whether or not they
have a warrant or not. Trust me when I tell
(25:47):
you the illegal that's going in the back of the
van knows very well they're illegal. They know the crimes
they've committed. They know that there's no going back. And
remember the Loup Penrose rule. There are no tears in
the back of.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
An ICE van.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
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Speaker 3 (26:16):
Lou Penrose in for John Cobel all this week. They
call you Ganda, the Pearl of Africa. But I don't
think mister Abrea Garcia is going to like Uganda. Now,
why you Ganda? Why is mister Abrego Garcia headed for Uganda?
So Kilmar Abrego Garcia is now in ICE custody and
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he had an opportunity to go to Costa Rica if
he admitted to participating in human trafficking. In twenty nineteen,
he was picked up in Washington, DC as a member
and validated as a member of MS thirteen. He was
arrested with two other members MS thirteen with rolls of
cash and drugs. Does that sound like a construction worker
(27:04):
to you. MS thirteen gang members tend to not hang
out with people who are not MS thirteen gang members,
and people in the construction business never have rolls of cash.
They have some cash, but it's usually gone, you know,
by Friday night. So they said, look, pal uh, just
(27:27):
realize that you are.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Illegally in the United States. You're a criminal. I mean,
it goes on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He violated a tro because he scratched and ripped his wife's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Shirt open, and so she got a temporary restraining order.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
He has violated that. In December of twenty twenty two,
he was stopped in Tennessee for speeding and they had
eight people in the car, all illegals, so he was
trafficking them. He also solicited nude photographs of a minor.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
This is this is a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Okay, we don't need him in the country, And they said,
you know, help us confirm all this stuff, and you'll
go to Costa Rica, which is close to El Salvador,
which is where you're from. We think that's what you're saying.
We don't know, because illegals lie. I don't know if
you know that illegals tend to lie. They lie a lot.
(28:19):
They lie to the ice agent, they lie to the
immigration judge, they lie to the courts, they lie to
the passport office, they lie to you. They lie to
the lady at the elementary school, and they go to
enroll their kids in public school and they say they're residents,
because they can't be a resident.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
If you're legally illegally in the United States anywhere.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
They lie all the time. They're constantly lying. So he says, well,
I'm from Al Salvador. How do you know that? It
is the nature of undocumented people do not have documentation.
So we don't know what's going on with this guy.
So what we have to do is number one, remove
him from society and hold him somewhere at our.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Expense, and then we've got to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
We got to call our counterparts in the Al Salvador
government and say, you got, like any documents on this guy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Was he born there? Does he have a passport? Is
he committed any crimes there?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
That's all got to be squared away, and we have
to work on that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So while we work on that, he's not allowed to
just be in Maryland, so we're putting him in.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
A detention facility.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And recently the President of the United States worked out
a deal with Uganda. Uganda is the largest recipient of
foreign aid on the African continent. We're one of the
largest recipients, and they really don't have anything to give
us an exchange, and the President likes to make a deal.
He likes to be even Stephen like, we'll give you
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the foreign aid, very poor country, but we want something.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What do he got?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
And they said, well, I mean we have detention facilities.
They're very nice in Uganda, and thus came the August
Attention Agreement. Under the deal, Uganda will accept third world
nationals that have not been granted asylum in the United States.
The conditions are that they have to accept individuals that
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do not unaccompany minors and no violent criminals.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So good news for killmar Like, he hasn't killed anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yet, So he's eligible to be housed in Uganda, and
that's where he'll be until we can eventually help him
find his way back home. Now, he could have went
home all this time.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And this is why that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
This entire like free kill Maar rally that's taking place
in Baltimore, Maryland right now.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's absurd.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Free him from who he's the one lying. He's not
being honest. Like all the illegals that came into the
United States under the Biden administration pretending to be seeking asylum, they.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Were all lying. They know they're lying, they know they're
not seeking asylum. Asylum is a thing. Lou Penrose rule
number four words matter.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I did immigration casework for fifteen years for three members
of Congress.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I either did it myself or I managed staff that
did it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So I know immigration case law and asylum is a thing,
a very specific thing. You have to demonstrate that you
are facing persecution or death in your home country based
on race, religion, nationality, membership, and a social group, which
is a complicated thing.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But kill Maar ain't it. Or your political opinion.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
In other words, you are either facing imprisonment or capital
punishment in your home country because of your race.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So I think kill mar doesn't fit that bill.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Like he's not eligible for asylum. Religion no, don't think so.
Nationality no, because he would be from else he's saying
he's from El Salvador. So he's not being like, they're
not persecuting El Salvadorians in El Salvador. Membership in a
particular social group that's a that's called a PSG. It's
kind of complicated, but basically pro American groups in other
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countries are considered terrorists in their country.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
In other words, if you are trying.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
To overthrow the authoritarian leadership in Tehran, you're a terrorist
to write the that that that leadership, but you're pro freedom,
so you have to be like in that group of
trying to promote freedom in an authoritarian or totalitarian regime.
(32:42):
He ain't that, Like, he's not some kind of uh,
you know, political leader. And I don't think he's even
registered to vote, so I don't think his political party
is this problem.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That's the five conditions, race, religion, nationality, membership in a
special group or political opinion. And he doesn't qualify. And
he always knew he didn't qualify. He was seeking asylum
in the United States. The illegals learned that if you
just say I'm seeking asylum in the United States, we
because we're such great people will let you stay until
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it's all sorted out, like, oh, you're gonna be killed,
all right, Well, we don't want you to get killed,
so just relax, you know, give us your information and
go live with your aunt somewhere in Pasadena until we
sort it all out, and then we'll call you when
the date for the judge.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, like Mikyle Barishnikov.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
When he defected from the Soviet Union, like he was
facing persecution and jail time, so he sought asylum.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He got asylum. Like that makes it a little more sense,
and a stays your Romanov. If you're the daughter of.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The massacred tsar, probably a dangerous person to be that person,
she would have been an eligible for asylum.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Kill mar not eligible for asylum, And.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Now he's on his way to Uganda and Jimmy Crackcorn
and I don't care.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So when we come back, we'll talk with Art Arthur.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He's the Resident Fellow in Law and Policy at the
Center for Immigration Studies, and we'll get the latest on
kill Mahar and everybody else that's like Kilmore. That's all
coming up next on KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere
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