November 25, 2025 • 32 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 2 (11/25) - Attorney Roger Behle comes on the show to talk about new information about the State of California's policy when it comes to fighting wildfires in Topanga State Park where the Palisades Fire burned. The toxic LA Port fire last week burned for hours before emergency alerts were sent out. A bunch of kids beat up an old man in Hermosa Beach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
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show on demand, Let's get right to it. Roger Bailey
is the attorney for many thousands of homeowners in the
Palisades whose homes were destroyed in the Lockman turned Palisades
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fire first week of January. And there was a hearing
this morning at ten o'clock because they're filing a massive
civil lawsuit against many entities on behalf of the thousands
of homeowners. And Roger sent us last night a the
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plan from the California Department of Parks and Recreation on
how they deal with fires and fire suppression within the park.
And it looks as if, according to their own words,
it's the California State Parks Department prefers to let to
Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. They would
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rather have happen what happened, as opposed to suppressing it
putting it out. Let's get Roger Bailey on. Roger, how
are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Good? It's stunning, isn't it? John? When you read those
words in print, it almost seems like it's a typo.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yes, well, you sent me in red the highlighted paragraphs
to look at, and I still didn't believe it. I
went through the document itself in black and white and
I highlighted it and yellow for myself, and I keep
looking at it, and it's like, yeah, unless otherwise specified,
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it's page fifteen, State Parks prefers to let to Panga
State Park burn in a wildfire event. And then on
page twenty, the majority of the park has not burned
in over fifty years to restore the natural fire frequency
and chaparral habitats, to Panga State Park should be left
to burn within reasonable public safety limits and outside of
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fire exclusion zones. Well, there you have it. Everything went
according to policy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Then, well that's what's even more stunning is they put
words in like within reasonable public safety limits. Well, what
public safety limits did they implement during the Lockmann fire.
It looks like none. It looks like they just said,
let it burn, let it smolder. Firefighters, you can't go
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in these areas over here. You can't use heavy machinery
like bulldozers when fighting the fire. So we're all sitting
here looking at this thing. Well, what reasonable public safety
limits did you implement? And apparently there were none.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, did they have any state fire personnel show up?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, they had from what we can tell, and I'll
get into the hearing that occurred this morning, but we
know of at least five state park representatives who were
present between the first of January and the third of January.
And from what we know, there were largely LAFD and
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La County firefighters that were there fighting the blaze on
the first And we're talking about the Lachmann fire, which
is different than the Palisades fire. There's a lot of
misinformation where people are confusing the Palisades fire with the
fire that started on January one, which is a very
different fire allegedly started by an arsonist and should have
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been contained and extinguished.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Right, But the flare up from that first fire, that
still the theory is that led to the second fire.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Absolutely, that's absolutely true. Had the LAFD been permitted to
go into these avoidance areas, they would have been able
to check on the embers and deal with the embers,
and instead, state parks, according to their own policy, said
these are areas you cannot go in when fighting the fire.
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These are areas you can't go check is that right?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where So where it flared out and grew into the
Palastages fire was an official avoidance area that there the
LA Fire Department was not permitted to treat in any way.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, here's what's interesting. So we got these documents yesterday
after months of waiting lo and to hold. The day
before the hearing, the state dumps all these documents on us,
and when we were reading through them, they start talking
about these avoidance areas, and then there's a reference to maps
which they're supposed to give to the incident commanders and
the firefighters to say here's their areas you can't go in.
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Conspicuously missing from what they gave us yesterday where these maps.
And we're virtually certain when they finally turn them over,
and the judge did order them to turn them over today,
we're going to see when we do an overlay, we're
going to see when we put the overlay of the
area avoidance and the point where the Palisades fire ignited
on January seventh, you're going to see the Palisades fire
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igniting in the areas where the firefighters were told they
couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was looking for the maps because I noticed there
was a reference to the avoidant areas on the maps.
I couldn't find the maps, and I thought it just
didn't make my pile. But they didn't give them to
you yet.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It didn't make my pile either, and we pointed that
out today and so we need to see these maps
so we know exactly where firefighters were told they could
not go and we're certain when they turn them over.
And the judge did order that this morning, and we
do an overlay, we're going to see that the Palisades
fire ignited in one of the areas where firefighters were
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told they couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So tell us what this morning's hearing was largely about.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So we had a hearing with the judge last week
and raised again our desire to take depositions of the
firefighters and state park reps that were there. The purpose
of today's hearing was for the judge to hear which
witnesses we wanted to depose and when. And it took
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about two hours and we got to the point where
we came up with a list of twelve firefighters and
five state partments, state park representatives that we will be
taking depositions of, probably beginning in mid December. Now these
are just the first depositions. The judge understandably was concerned
about more time passing, and we want to see what
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the people on the ground heard, saw, witnessed before more
time passes. So we're going to take this initial round
of depositions. That's what the judge ordered this morning, and
what will start taking place about mid December.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It seems every few days another stunning development in this story.
And it's about cover ups, it's about whyse it's about neglect,
it's about bad policy, it's about just just insane decisions made.
It's really fascinating. I mean, a lot of people far
outside the Palisades around the country are following this very
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closely because all of this seems inexplicable. It's like nothing
went right, nobody did the right thing from beginning to end.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well. And it begins with the implementation of these policies, which,
to be blunt, just seem bizarre. It seems to put
plants over people and it just doesn't seem to make
any sense. Why would you direct firefighters or frankly, direct
your state park rangers to limit what firefighters can do
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and where they can do it if the goal is
to save and to save property. We lost twelve people
in the Palisade fire and over seven thousand structures. Man
man need to happen, and.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We ended up not saving the milk Fitch plan.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Either, exactly. All burned up?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
All right, Well, could you hang on for another segment?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You bet.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I want to go through some of the other highlighted
areas from this report. This is Roger Bailey. He represents
thousands of Palisades residents. There's a massive civil lawsuit. They
were in court this morning a hearing to decide who's
going to get deposed in the first round. And this
is what they do. The night before the hearing. The
day before the hearing, the California State Parks Department, Gavin
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Newsom's administration dumped a ton of documents that Roger Bailey's
team quickly went through and found out that it is
official policy for the State Parks Department to let to
Penga State Park where the fire started burn. State Parks
prefers to let Tobanka State Park burn and wildfire event.
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And on page twenty it says Topanga State Park should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits in
order to restore the natural balance of the habitat and
fire frequency. We'll talk more with Roger when we come back,
because there are other highlights out of this policy manual.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
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Speaker 2 (09:28):
We continue with Roger Bailey, the attorney for thousands of
Palisades residents that are suing while suing the government because
the state parks system governed the land where the Lachman
fire started and the Palisades fire started, it's Topanga State Park,
And yesterday before the hearing this morning, the state finally
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coughed up there like their management documents on Wildfire Management
Plan for Topanga State Park, and it says clearly on
page fifteen that the State Park Department prefers to let
to Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. Page
twenty says to Panga State Park should be left to
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burn within reasonable public safety limits. So let's get Roger
Bailey back on here. On page thirty three, the concept
of avoidance areas where no heavy equipment, vehicles, and retardant
are grouped together. This is what you referred to you're
waiting for the maps still, But I guess we're just
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assuming that where the fire started was in the avoidance area,
and that's why that state official came down and was
trying to bully LAFD out of the area.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, that's right, I mean, one of the things were
anxious to see. And conveniently, the state didn't deliver yesterday
where the maps that are supposed to accompany this policy document,
so that we can see exactly where on the map
the state park rangers are telling the firefighters they cannot go.
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This is the areas where they as it says here,
they can't use heavy equipment. We talked earlier about the
use of bulldozers, which would have been useful during the
firefighting activity that occurred on the morning of January one.
No bulldozers allowed. No retardant allowed, No retardant. Yeah. Again,
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these are all things that if you were to ask
a firefighter, these are critical to the firefighting effort.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
How are you suppose without heavy equipment, vehicles and retarded
how are you supposed to stop the spread of the fire.
Just pray? I mean, what's lastly, Page forty one, The
neighborhoods of Castell Lamari and Pacific Highlands along the southern
border of the park are WUI areas. What does that
mean wui?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, they're high risk areas, high.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Risk areas, and they're at significant risk during a wildfire event.
While wildfire poses a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment,
are the main concern and need to be avoided in
these areas. So yeah, these neighborhoods might burn during a
wildfire event, but it's more important to avoid grinding up
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the vegetation. I'm I'm astonished at that one.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Again, it's plants over people. It seems as though the priority,
according to state parks is to give plants and the
safety of the plants of priority over people and their property.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So this is real. I keep thinking of misunderstanding this.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I know, really we had to read it three times
and said, wait a minute, is this a typho? Did
we know it's exactly what they're policy is? And then
and then as you I'm sure you noticed, it also
says with regard to these area avoidance maps, they want
to keep them confidential. Yes, so they don't. Apparently you
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know that you can share the state park rep can
share it with the incident command, but they don't want
the public apparently to know the areas where firefighting activities
are not allowed, like right next to those public revolts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, if the people of Castel Lamar and Pacific Highlands
knew that their neighborhoods were going to be sacrificed in
order to protect the local vegetation, which still doesn't make
sense to me. Because a fire gets out of hand,
it's going to destroy the neighborhoods and the vegetation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't get it exactly. It's nonsensical, makes absolutely no sense.
And this is what our tax dollars are going to
develop and implement.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Wow, this is really bad. I don't think anybody would
have thought that they were this. I don't even understand why.
I mean, even if they had a different point of view,
their point of view does not protect the vegetation obviously,
So I just don't get it. Well, Roger, you.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Noticed what did you notice incidentally on page sixty seven
that there's a requirement before you can use mop up
techniques and these avoidantaries, you have to bring in an archaeologist.
Where are you going to find an archaeologist at three
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Did you see that No, I didn't see that exact line. Oh, yes,
yes here, yes, yes, all right, I did. No mop
up techniques are allowed in avoidance areas without the presence
of an archaeologist.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
In then R eighty stands for resource advisor. That's their
acronym for what they call a resource advisor. But where
are you going to get an archaeologist at free in the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Morning with a raging wildfire and the sant Ana winds
are blown in the middle of the night. Hey, is
there an archaeologist in in the park somewhere? This is
this is unbelievable. They can't they really are this stupid?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Wow? Anyway, all right, well listen, you are doing terrific work,
and uh let's let's keep talking right as soon as
you find out more stuff, because I'm absolutely riveted to this.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I will keep you posted. Remember, the next thing to
occur will be these depositions of twelve firefighters and five
state park reps. That's the initial round and that I'll
start in about mid December, so we'll have a lot
to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you're gonna be able to talk about them right
away or do they get sealed?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
No, Look, the identities of some of these folks may
be kept confidential, but the subject matter of what they
say under oath, as far as I'm concerned, can be
shared and should be shared with the public. The public
has a right to know what these people saw, what
they heard, and you know, so yes, I intend, unless
otherwise directed by the court, to share with my clients
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and the public with these folks who were there saw
herd and.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Said, all right, Roger, we'll talk then, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You bet, take care.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
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Speaker 2 (16:17):
So first hour and a half we spent much of
it on the bombshells in this release of State the
State wild the State Wildfire Management planned for Topanga State
Park where the Palisades fire originated. It is unbelievable. Their
policy was, if a fire starts at the park, let
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it burn. And that's what happened to the policy the Palisades.
That really is the policy, let it burn. So you
listen to the podcast John Cobelt Show on demand that'll
be released after four o'clock and you could hear everything.
Now I hate to continue with another fire department story,
but this is uh in the Port of La Friday,
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there was that huge fire on a container ship. It
was hazardous materials burning. Los Angeles Times Today says that
the LA Fire Department waited almost six hours to order
residents to get inside. The order was get inside immediately
and close all the windows and doors because of potential
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toxic smoke. But the fire had been burning for six
hours at that point. When they showed up, they must
have quickly determined it was a toxic hazardous waste fire,
toxic material fire. And you do want to tell people
to go inside and shut the windows and turn off
the air conditioning. You don't want to breathe in this stuff.
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But they were six hours late with the warning. Why
is that? It was a shelter in place order for
San Pedro and Wilmington. Now, eventually they lifted it at
six thirty am Saturday morning. His fire crew started gaining
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the upper hand and eventually they towed the ship out
to sea. All right, so they lift the shelter in
place order at six thirty, but a lot of people
were not notified till nine o'clock Sunday night, thirty eight
hours later. That's when residents started getting alerts telling them
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the order had been lifted. So people spent the entire
weekend inside their homes or they were told to, and
from six thirty am Saturday to nine o'clock on Sunday
they could have left their house, but the county, the city,
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the La Fire Department, nobody sent them the message. These
text message warning systems really don't work, do they. Plus
some residents Ranial Palace Verdes got these sheltered in place
alerts by mistake from the city emergency system. The city
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of Ranchial Palace Verdes sent out emails and social media
announcements at one thirty in the morning Saturday telling people
ignore the order. So how many layers of incompetence here?
The order to stay inside was six hours late, the
order to you can come out now was thirty eight
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hours late. And then they sent they sent an order
to stay inside Torrantial Palace Verdes, which wasn't affected at all.
Here's the timeline. Around midnight, the fire department issued a
shelter and place order on its website and social media.
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Shut your windows and doors, keep your pets inside, turn
off the air conditioning. Then at twelve thirty a wireless
emergency alert was sent to phones in the area. Also
the city's emergency management department. Well, I mean that that's
six hours late because the fire was first responded to
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at six thirty eight pm and then the warnings went
out at twelve thirty six am, so almost a full
six hours. Then they moved the ship out of the port.
I does does anybody do their jobs right? Why do
these systems not work? Even after the fire debacle with
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warnings in Altadena there were erroneous all the trouble in
the Palisades. Now here's the first big test really since then,
and they still don't work. There's still non human communications
going on. The electronic communications don't work. If there's toxic
fumes in the air, why were people in these neighborhoods
allowed to breathe them for six hours? And why did
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it take thirty eight hours to tell them that the
danger was over? And again I don't see anybody taking
responsibility here, and you know, to some extense the attitude
of the people. They have a sand Pedro resident here
named Sandra Waddell, and she says, we're truly appreciated that
there's an emergency alert system in the city and the county,
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but it's less than helpful When the alerts go out late,
how about it could be deadly? What do you mean
less than helpful? Why is everyone so polite? You pay
tax money for an alert system, it's six hours late,
then it keeps you, keeps you inside for a day
and a half too long, and you're say you're appreciative, Well,
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what are you appreciative of? You got six hours of
toxic fumes in your lungs, so did your pet and
your kids? What are you appreciate here? Would you would
stop apologizing? So stop trying to be nice. This is gross,
potentially deadly incompetence. And it's not the first one this year.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
One hundred and eighty six personnel were deployed to this
fire wearing protective gear, hazardous material protective gear, body suits,
oxygen masks, and they're six hours late with the warnings
to the residents while the while the firefighters involved are
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wearing these and they should wear these massive suits and
the protective gear. But geez, could you get an accurate
warning out? It's just a text message? Why haven't they
mastered text messaging at the city in the county. Who's
in charge of this? This is Karen Bass's territory again,
Does she ever hold a meeting with anybody that and says,
show me that this stuff works? Why does keep scoring up?
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Who's the person in charge of sending out the messages
and can't do it right? Why is everything so late?
No answers, no comment, same old nonsense, over and over again.
All right, well we come back. What is with that
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that attack on that poor guy in Hermosa Beach? The
guy was carrying a pizza home. He's in his fifties
and a group of teenagers beat him almost to death,
stomping on him on e bikes. I don't Apparently they're
local kids, local rich kids.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Perhaps, and they're they're doing bad stuff often apparently, Yeah,
Well who are these people?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And who who's what parents have created these monsters? We'll
talk about coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
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do you know how terribly embarrassing it is?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Who's watching you?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
All right?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's not watching, it's it's it's this thing.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It's this microphone into a microphone. Every day you hurt
people's ears sometimes and you're not embarrassed about that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I heard people's ears.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You know, with the ransom.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I know, but I scream in tune. I can't sing
in tune. Come I'm thinking about it. Okay, how about
how about just like two words, like just happy birthday
or forwards? One happy birthday to you. I can't hit
high notes. I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
In a monotone.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
God, I got your French fries, I got you Vegan cupcakes. Yeah,
it's never enough.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
It's never enough. I know. I've been told that before.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's a guy in Hermosa Beach. He got terribly beat
up by a gang of teenagers on e bikes. The
guy's in his fifties. He's carrying a pizza. Eight o'clock
on Friday night, walking through an alleyway and there there's
a there's video. You may have seen it. Fox eleven
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had surveillance video of it. It was the eleventh Court
alleyway near the Hermosa Beach Pier. Six young guys with
e bikes gang up on a man carrying a pizza box.
They knock him to the ground and repeatedly punch and
kick him. Uh and and one of them shouted, he's dead.
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He's dead, and then everybody fleas. Now why would you
What is the purpose? They didn't even rob him, they
didn't even take the pizza. It was just to do it. Now,
there's not a lot of detail in these stories, but
what I read in the comments is the local say
these these kids are rich kids from the South Bay
area who've been terrorizing a lot of people with their
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with their bike gang. That's what you've heard, right, that
they've they they've done other bets, Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yes, they have. Locals say that they're constantly causing trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Apparently throughout Manhattan Beach. El Segunda with Dondo Beach. They
all deal with complaints of teenagers on e bikes terrorizing residents.
Last summer, a group of teens on e bikes were
captured igniting fireworks. They were filmed in the middle of
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a crowded Hermosa Beach pier. They've also throw fireworks in
Al Segundo. They barrel down the strand, and they assault
residence in Hermosa Beach. And how do you raise somebody
who does this? I never knew anybody growing up who'd
get in a gang like this and start terrorizing innocent
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people just for the sport of it. And knocked I mean,
this guy was knocked unconscious. Apparently he's got multiple concussions.
He's having trouble walking from what I heard in a report.
Uh And and it's really in bad shape. There was
no argument, there was no fight. He just was carrying
a pizza. So what kind of savage, animalistic, destructive instinct
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inside these people? And animals don't do this. Animals kill
other animals in order to eat. Well, this crowd didn't
eat him, so what and they didn't rob him? I
wonder are these rich kids from good families? How does
how does how does a how does a kid become
like this?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It's a very good question.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
There are a lot of evil people out there, and
there's just there's no explaining it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
There really isn't. I mean, I just just think back
all my life and with the kids that you know,
all the friends and all the people at the schools
that my kids went to, we never ran into any
of this kind of behavie.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I just wonder how their childhoods were. And I'm not
saying anything negative. I don't know this these kids.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't know the parents, but a lot of times
I know that it seems like the people that do
really awful things were either abused themselves in some way
or terribly neglected, me neglected. I mean again, I don't
know about this situation, but.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was so vicious. I mean, I you know, you
could go see the video and you could say you
you just cringe in you you avert your eyes, and
it's like, so what what? And then what they go
home and just you're crawling to bed and are the
parents drunk on the on the on the living room floor,
are they stoned in the backyard?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
What? What?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What goes on here? How do you go home after
beating somebody up, and you think they they left thinking
they killed him, They left thinking they just murdered a guy,
and then what you just go home, have a beer,
go to bed. All their names should be publicized. There
shouldn't be any privacy protection for these characters. All right
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after three o'clock, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You are.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
He's gonna sing Happy Birthday. And this is a real
big deal because John Doan.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Saying I'm not doing the whole song though, Wait a second,
Oh see, it's never enough.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You gotta do it.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it right.
It's not a long song.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
To begin with. It's four lines long. Aren't there royalty
problems with that?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Eric?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Right, you sing happy birthday? There's like two old ladies
who oh yeah, big time. You can't even sing Happy
Birthday in a restaurant. That's why the restaurants change it
and make it their own songs. So my heart's going
to be on the hook for someone. Oh yeah, yeah,
there's a family that owns the right to the song
and you can't.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, that's why we can't put bumpers in the podcast.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because you can't everybody sings Happy Birthday to somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So if I sing it, you're gonna have to cut
it out of the podcast. Right technically, now you look
at all the work you're going to cause.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Him, are I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
We're going to Tony Strickland on the State Senator and
he is going to talk about how the Trump administration
is suing California for trying to keep the ice agents
from wearing masks, and also how the California Legislative Analyst
Office says eighteen billion dollar deficit for next year. Deborah
(32:24):
Mark live in the CAFI twenty four hour Newsroom.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Tim Conway Junior asks that you include him in your
Thanksgiving table prayers this year, not apparently his baby needs
a new pair of shoes or something.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I don't know. I do enjoy gambling. Hashtag pay
for Tim. Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt
Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on
KFI AM six forty from one to four pm every
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Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobelt
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We are on every day
from one till four o'clock. After four o'clock, John Cobelt's
show on demand, Let's get right to it. Roger Bailey
is the attorney for many thousands of homeowners in the
Palisades whose homes were destroyed in the Lockman turned Palisades
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fire first week of January. And there was a hearing
this morning at ten o'clock because they're filing a massive
civil lawsuit against many entities on behalf of the thousands
of homeowners. And Roger sent us last night a the
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plan from the California Department of Parks and Recreation on
how they deal with fires and fire suppression within the park.
And it looks as if, according to their own words,
it's the California State Parks Department prefers to let to
Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. They would
(01:10):
rather have happen what happened, as opposed to suppressing it
putting it out. Let's get Roger Bailey on. Roger, how
are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Good? It's stunning, isn't it? John? When you read those
words in print, it almost seems like it's a typo.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yes, well, you sent me in red the highlighted paragraphs
to look at, and I still didn't believe it. I
went through the document itself in black and white and
I highlighted it and yellow for myself, and I keep
looking at it, and it's like, yeah, unless otherwise specified,
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it's page fifteen, State Parks prefers to let to Panga
State Park burn in a wildfire event. And then on
page twenty, the majority of the park has not burned
in over fifty years to restore the natural fire frequency
and chaparral habitats, to Panga State Park should be left
to burn within reasonable public safety limits and outside of
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fire exclusion zones. Well, there you have it. Everything went
according to policy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Then, well that's what's even more stunning is they put
words in like within reasonable public safety limits. Well, what
public safety limits did they implement during the Lockmann fire.
It looks like none. It looks like they just said,
let it burn, let it smolder. Firefighters, you can't go
(02:39):
in these areas over here. You can't use heavy machinery
like bulldozers when fighting the fire. So we're all sitting
here looking at this thing. Well, what reasonable public safety
limits did you implement? And apparently there were none.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, did they have any state fire personnel show up?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, they had from what we can tell, and I'll
get into the hearing that occurred this morning, but we
know of at least five state park representatives who were
present between the first of January and the third of January.
And from what we know, there were largely LAFD and
(03:22):
La County firefighters that were there fighting the blaze on
the first And we're talking about the Lachmann fire, which
is different than the Palisades fire. There's a lot of
misinformation where people are confusing the Palisades fire with the
fire that started on January one, which is a very
different fire allegedly started by an arsonist and should have
(03:44):
been contained and extinguished.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Right, But the flare up from that first fire, that
still the theory is that led to the second fire.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Absolutely, that's absolutely true. Had the LAFD been permitted to
go into these avoidance areas, they would have been able
to check on the embers and deal with the embers,
and instead, state parks, according to their own policy, said
these are areas you cannot go in when fighting the fire.
(04:16):
These are areas you can't go check is that right?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where So where it flared out and grew into the
Palastages fire was an official avoidance area that there the
LA Fire Department was not permitted to treat in any way.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, here's what's interesting. So we got these documents yesterday
after months of waiting lo and to hold. The day
before the hearing, the state dumps all these documents on us,
and when we were reading through them, they start talking
about these avoidance areas, and then there's a reference to maps
which they're supposed to give to the incident commanders and
the firefighters to say here's their areas you can't go in.
(04:56):
Conspicuously missing from what they gave us yesterday where these maps.
And we're virtually certain when they finally turn them over,
and the judge did order them to turn them over today,
we're going to see when we do an overlay, we're
going to see when we put the overlay of the
area avoidance and the point where the Palisades fire ignited
on January seventh, you're going to see the Palisades fire
(05:17):
igniting in the areas where the firefighters were told they
couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was looking for the maps because I noticed there
was a reference to the avoidant areas on the maps.
I couldn't find the maps, and I thought it just
didn't make my pile. But they didn't give them to
you yet.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It didn't make my pile either, and we pointed that
out today and so we need to see these maps
so we know exactly where firefighters were told they could
not go and we're certain when they turn them over.
And the judge did order that this morning, and we
do an overlay, we're going to see that the Palisades
fire ignited in one of the areas where firefighters were
(05:57):
told they couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So tell us what this morning's hearing was largely about.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So we had a hearing with the judge last week
and raised again our desire to take depositions of the
firefighters and state park reps that were there. The purpose
of today's hearing was for the judge to hear which
witnesses we wanted to depose and when. And it took
(06:23):
about two hours and we got to the point where
we came up with a list of twelve firefighters and
five state partments, state park representatives that we will be
taking depositions of, probably beginning in mid December. Now these
are just the first depositions. The judge understandably was concerned
about more time passing, and we want to see what
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the people on the ground heard, saw, witnessed before more
time passes. So we're going to take this initial round
of depositions. That's what the judge ordered this morning, and
what will start taking place about mid December.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It seems every few days another stunning development in this story.
And it's about cover ups, it's about whyse it's about neglect,
it's about bad policy, it's about just just insane decisions made.
It's really fascinating. I mean, a lot of people far
outside the Palisades around the country are following this very
(07:24):
closely because all of this seems inexplicable. It's like nothing
went right, nobody did the right thing from beginning to end.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well. And it begins with the implementation of these policies, which,
to be blunt, just seem bizarre. It seems to put
plants over people and it just doesn't seem to make
any sense. Why would you direct firefighters or frankly, direct
your state park rangers to limit what firefighters can do
(07:56):
and where they can do it if the goal is
to save and to save property. We lost twelve people
in the Palisade fire and over seven thousand structures. Man
man need to happen, and.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We ended up not saving the milk Fitch plan.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Either, exactly. All burned up?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
All right, Well, could you hang on for another segment?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You bet.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I want to go through some of the other highlighted
areas from this report. This is Roger Bailey. He represents
thousands of Palisades residents. There's a massive civil lawsuit. They
were in court this morning a hearing to decide who's
going to get deposed in the first round. And this
is what they do. The night before the hearing. The
day before the hearing, the California State Parks Department, Gavin
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Newsom's administration dumped a ton of documents that Roger Bailey's
team quickly went through and found out that it is
official policy for the State Parks Department to let to
Penga State Park where the fire started burn. State Parks
prefers to let Tobanka State Park burn and wildfire event.
(09:03):
And on page twenty it says Topanga State Park should
be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits in
order to restore the natural balance of the habitat and
fire frequency. We'll talk more with Roger when we come back,
because there are other highlights out of this policy manual.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We continue with Roger Bailey, the attorney for thousands of
Palisades residents that are suing while suing the government because
the state parks system governed the land where the Lachman
fire started and the Palisades fire started, it's Topanga State Park,
And yesterday before the hearing this morning, the state finally
(09:52):
coughed up there like their management documents on Wildfire Management
Plan for Topanga State Park, and it says clearly on
page fifteen that the State Park Department prefers to let
to Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. Page
twenty says to Panga State Park should be left to
(10:12):
burn within reasonable public safety limits. So let's get Roger
Bailey back on here. On page thirty three, the concept
of avoidance areas where no heavy equipment, vehicles, and retardant
are grouped together. This is what you referred to you're
waiting for the maps still, But I guess we're just
(10:34):
assuming that where the fire started was in the avoidance area,
and that's why that state official came down and was
trying to bully LAFD out of the area.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, that's right, I mean, one of the things were
anxious to see. And conveniently, the state didn't deliver yesterday
where the maps that are supposed to accompany this policy document,
so that we can see exactly where on the map
the state park rangers are telling the firefighters they cannot go.
(11:10):
This is the areas where they as it says here,
they can't use heavy equipment. We talked earlier about the
use of bulldozers, which would have been useful during the
firefighting activity that occurred on the morning of January one.
No bulldozers allowed. No retardant allowed, No retardant. Yeah. Again,
(11:32):
these are all things that if you were to ask
a firefighter, these are critical to the firefighting effort.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
How are you suppose without heavy equipment, vehicles and retarded
how are you supposed to stop the spread of the fire.
Just pray? I mean, what's lastly, Page forty one, The
neighborhoods of Castell Lamari and Pacific Highlands along the southern
border of the park are WUI areas. What does that
mean wui?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, they're high risk areas, high.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Risk areas, and they're at significant risk during a wildfire event.
While wildfire poses a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment,
are the main concern and need to be avoided in
these areas. So yeah, these neighborhoods might burn during a
wildfire event, but it's more important to avoid grinding up
(12:26):
the vegetation. I'm I'm astonished at that one.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Again, it's plants over people. It seems as though the priority,
according to state parks is to give plants and the
safety of the plants of priority over people and their property.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So this is real. I keep thinking of misunderstanding this.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I know, really we had to read it three times
and said, wait a minute, is this a typho? Did
we know it's exactly what they're policy is? And then
and then as you I'm sure you noticed, it also
says with regard to these area avoidance maps, they want
to keep them confidential. Yes, so they don't. Apparently you
(13:13):
know that you can share the state park rep can
share it with the incident command, but they don't want
the public apparently to know the areas where firefighting activities
are not allowed, like right next to those public revolts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, if the people of Castel Lamar and Pacific Highlands
knew that their neighborhoods were going to be sacrificed in
order to protect the local vegetation, which still doesn't make
sense to me. Because a fire gets out of hand,
it's going to destroy the neighborhoods and the vegetation.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't get it exactly. It's nonsensical, makes absolutely no sense.
And this is what our tax dollars are going to
develop and implement.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Wow, this is really bad. I don't think anybody would
have thought that they were this. I don't even understand why.
I mean, even if they had a different point of view,
their point of view does not protect the vegetation obviously,
So I just don't get it. Well, Roger, you.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Noticed what did you notice incidentally on page sixty seven
that there's a requirement before you can use mop up
techniques and these avoidantaries, you have to bring in an archaeologist.
Where are you going to find an archaeologist at three
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Did you see that No, I didn't see that exact line. Oh, yes,
yes here, yes, yes, all right, I did. No mop
up techniques are allowed in avoidance areas without the presence
of an archaeologist.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
In then R eighty stands for resource advisor. That's their
acronym for what they call a resource advisor. But where
are you going to get an archaeologist at free in the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Morning with a raging wildfire and the sant Ana winds
are blown in the middle of the night. Hey, is
there an archaeologist in in the park somewhere? This is
this is unbelievable. They can't they really are this stupid?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Wow? Anyway, all right, well listen, you are doing terrific work,
and uh let's let's keep talking right as soon as
you find out more stuff, because I'm absolutely riveted to this.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I will keep you posted. Remember, the next thing to
occur will be these depositions of twelve firefighters and five
state park reps. That's the initial round and that I'll
start in about mid December, so we'll have a lot
to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you're gonna be able to talk about them right
away or do they get sealed?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
No, Look, the identities of some of these folks may
be kept confidential, but the subject matter of what they
say under oath, as far as I'm concerned, can be
shared and should be shared with the public. The public
has a right to know what these people saw, what
they heard, and you know, so yes, I intend, unless
otherwise directed by the court, to share with my clients
(16:02):
and the public with these folks who were there saw
herd and.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Said, all right, Roger, we'll talk then, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You bet, take care.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
All right, you're listening to John Cobels on Demand from
KFI Am sixty.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So first hour and a half we spent much of
it on the bombshells in this release of State the
State wild the State Wildfire Management planned for Topanga State
Park where the Palisades fire originated. It is unbelievable. Their
policy was, if a fire starts at the park, let
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it burn. And that's what happened to the policy the Palisades.
That really is the policy, let it burn. So you
listen to the podcast John Cobelt Show on demand that'll
be released after four o'clock and you could hear everything.
Now I hate to continue with another fire department story,
but this is uh in the Port of La Friday,
(17:01):
there was that huge fire on a container ship. It
was hazardous materials burning. Los Angeles Times Today says that
the LA Fire Department waited almost six hours to order
residents to get inside. The order was get inside immediately
and close all the windows and doors because of potential
(17:24):
toxic smoke. But the fire had been burning for six
hours at that point. When they showed up, they must
have quickly determined it was a toxic hazardous waste fire,
toxic material fire. And you do want to tell people
to go inside and shut the windows and turn off
the air conditioning. You don't want to breathe in this stuff.
(17:46):
But they were six hours late with the warning. Why
is that? It was a shelter in place order for
San Pedro and Wilmington. Now, eventually they lifted it at
six thirty am Saturday morning. His fire crew started gaining
(18:06):
the upper hand and eventually they towed the ship out
to sea. All right, so they lift the shelter in
place order at six thirty, but a lot of people
were not notified till nine o'clock Sunday night, thirty eight
hours later. That's when residents started getting alerts telling them
(18:28):
the order had been lifted. So people spent the entire
weekend inside their homes or they were told to, and
from six thirty am Saturday to nine o'clock on Sunday
they could have left their house, but the county, the city,
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the La Fire Department, nobody sent them the message. These
text message warning systems really don't work, do they. Plus
some residents Ranial Palace Verdes got these sheltered in place
alerts by mistake from the city emergency system. The city
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of Ranchial Palace Verdes sent out emails and social media
announcements at one thirty in the morning Saturday telling people
ignore the order. So how many layers of incompetence here?
The order to stay inside was six hours late, the
order to you can come out now was thirty eight
(19:40):
hours late. And then they sent they sent an order
to stay inside Torrantial Palace Verdes, which wasn't affected at all.
Here's the timeline. Around midnight, the fire department issued a
shelter and place order on its website and social media.
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Shut your windows and doors, keep your pets inside, turn
off the air conditioning. Then at twelve thirty a wireless
emergency alert was sent to phones in the area. Also
the city's emergency management department. Well, I mean that that's
six hours late because the fire was first responded to
(20:22):
at six thirty eight pm and then the warnings went
out at twelve thirty six am, so almost a full
six hours. Then they moved the ship out of the port.
I does does anybody do their jobs right? Why do
these systems not work? Even after the fire debacle with
(20:45):
warnings in Altadena there were erroneous all the trouble in
the Palisades. Now here's the first big test really since then,
and they still don't work. There's still non human communications
going on. The electronic communications don't work. If there's toxic
fumes in the air, why were people in these neighborhoods
allowed to breathe them for six hours? And why did
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it take thirty eight hours to tell them that the
danger was over? And again I don't see anybody taking
responsibility here, and you know, to some extense the attitude
of the people. They have a sand Pedro resident here
named Sandra Waddell, and she says, we're truly appreciated that
there's an emergency alert system in the city and the county,
(21:30):
but it's less than helpful When the alerts go out late,
how about it could be deadly? What do you mean
less than helpful? Why is everyone so polite? You pay
tax money for an alert system, it's six hours late,
then it keeps you, keeps you inside for a day
and a half too long, and you're say you're appreciative, Well,
(21:52):
what are you appreciative of? You got six hours of
toxic fumes in your lungs, so did your pet and
your kids? What are you appreciate here? Would you would
stop apologizing? So stop trying to be nice. This is gross,
potentially deadly incompetence. And it's not the first one this year.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
One hundred and eighty six personnel were deployed to this
fire wearing protective gear, hazardous material protective gear, body suits,
oxygen masks, and they're six hours late with the warnings
to the residents while the while the firefighters involved are
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wearing these and they should wear these massive suits and
the protective gear. But geez, could you get an accurate
warning out? It's just a text message? Why haven't they
mastered text messaging at the city in the county. Who's
in charge of this? This is Karen Bass's territory again,
Does she ever hold a meeting with anybody that and says,
show me that this stuff works? Why does keep scoring up?
(23:01):
Who's the person in charge of sending out the messages
and can't do it right? Why is everything so late?
No answers, no comment, same old nonsense, over and over again.
All right, well we come back. What is with that
(23:25):
that attack on that poor guy in Hermosa Beach? The
guy was carrying a pizza home. He's in his fifties
and a group of teenagers beat him almost to death,
stomping on him on e bikes. I don't Apparently they're
local kids, local rich kids.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Perhaps, and they're they're doing bad stuff often apparently, Yeah,
Well who are these people?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And who who's what parents have created these monsters? We'll
talk about coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
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me to sing her happy birthday. But I come on, John,
do you know how terribly embarrassing it is?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Who's watching you?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
All right?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's not watching, it's it's it's this thing.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It's this microphone into a microphone. Every day you hurt
people's ears sometimes and you're not embarrassed about that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I heard people's ears.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You know, with the ransom.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I know, but I scream in tune. I can't sing
in tune. Come I'm thinking about it. Okay, how about
how about just like two words, like just happy birthday
or forwards? One happy birthday to you. I can't hit
high notes. I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
In a monotone.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
God, I got your French fries, I got you Vegan cupcakes. Yeah,
it's never enough.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
It's never enough. I know. I've been told that before.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's a guy in Hermosa Beach. He got terribly beat
up by a gang of teenagers on e bikes. The
guy's in his fifties. He's carrying a pizza. Eight o'clock
on Friday night, walking through an alleyway and there there's
a there's video. You may have seen it. Fox eleven
(27:09):
had surveillance video of it. It was the eleventh Court
alleyway near the Hermosa Beach Pier. Six young guys with
e bikes gang up on a man carrying a pizza box.
They knock him to the ground and repeatedly punch and
kick him. Uh and and one of them shouted, he's dead.
(27:31):
He's dead, and then everybody fleas. Now why would you
What is the purpose? They didn't even rob him, they
didn't even take the pizza. It was just to do it. Now,
there's not a lot of detail in these stories, but
what I read in the comments is the local say
these these kids are rich kids from the South Bay
area who've been terrorizing a lot of people with their
(27:53):
with their bike gang. That's what you've heard, right, that
they've they they've done other bets, Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yes, they have. Locals say that they're constantly causing trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Apparently throughout Manhattan Beach. El Segunda with Dondo Beach. They
all deal with complaints of teenagers on e bikes terrorizing residents.
Last summer, a group of teens on e bikes were
captured igniting fireworks. They were filmed in the middle of
(28:30):
a crowded Hermosa Beach pier. They've also throw fireworks in
Al Segundo. They barrel down the strand, and they assault
residence in Hermosa Beach. And how do you raise somebody
who does this? I never knew anybody growing up who'd
get in a gang like this and start terrorizing innocent
(28:52):
people just for the sport of it. And knocked I mean,
this guy was knocked unconscious. Apparently he's got multiple concussions.
He's having trouble walking from what I heard in a report.
Uh And and it's really in bad shape. There was
no argument, there was no fight. He just was carrying
a pizza. So what kind of savage, animalistic, destructive instinct
(29:15):
inside these people? And animals don't do this. Animals kill
other animals in order to eat. Well, this crowd didn't
eat him, so what and they didn't rob him? I
wonder are these rich kids from good families? How does
how does how does a how does a kid become
like this?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It's a very good question.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
There are a lot of evil people out there, and
there's just there's no explaining it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
There really isn't. I mean, I just just think back
all my life and with the kids that you know,
all the friends and all the people at the schools
that my kids went to, we never ran into any
of this kind of behavie.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I just wonder how their childhoods were. And I'm not
saying anything negative. I don't know this these kids.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't know the parents, but a lot of times
I know that it seems like the people that do
really awful things were either abused themselves in some way
or terribly neglected, me neglected. I mean again, I don't
know about this situation, but.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was so vicious. I mean, I you know, you
could go see the video and you could say you
you just cringe in you you avert your eyes, and
it's like, so what what? And then what they go
home and just you're crawling to bed and are the
parents drunk on the on the on the living room floor,
are they stoned in the backyard?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
What? What?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What goes on here? How do you go home after
beating somebody up, and you think they they left thinking
they killed him, They left thinking they just murdered a guy,
and then what you just go home, have a beer,
go to bed. All their names should be publicized. There
shouldn't be any privacy protection for these characters. All right
(31:03):
after three o'clock, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You are.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
He's gonna sing Happy Birthday. And this is a real
big deal because John Doan.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Saying I'm not doing the whole song though, Wait a second,
Oh see, it's never enough.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You gotta do it.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it right.
It's not a long song.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
To begin with. It's four lines long. Aren't there royalty
problems with that?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Eric?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Right, you sing happy birthday? There's like two old ladies
who oh yeah, big time. You can't even sing Happy
Birthday in a restaurant. That's why the restaurants change it
and make it their own songs. So my heart's going
to be on the hook for someone. Oh yeah, yeah,
there's a family that owns the right to the song
and you can't.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, that's why we can't put bumpers in the podcast.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because you can't everybody sings Happy Birthday to somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So if I sing it, you're gonna have to cut
it out of the podcast. Right technically, now you look
at all the work you're going to cause.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Him, are I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
We're going to Tony Strickland on the State Senator and
he is going to talk about how the Trump administration
is suing California for trying to keep the ice agents
from wearing masks, and also how the California Legislative Analyst
Office says eighteen billion dollar deficit for next year. Deborah
(32:24):
Mark live in the CAFI twenty four hour Newsroom.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Tim Conway Junior asks that you include him in your
Thanksgiving table prayers this year, not apparently his baby needs
a new pair of shoes or something.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I don't know. I do enjoy gambling. Hashtag pay
for Tim. Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt
Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on
KFI AM six forty from one to four pm every
Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand on
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