August 27, 2025 • 33 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (08/27) - Lou Penrose fills in for John. Alex Stone comes on the show with the latest regarding the shooting at a Catholic school in Minnesota. More on the shooting at a Catholic school in Minnesota. Was the shooter insane? CA's redistricting prop is heading to the ballot.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Lou Penrose sitting in for John Colbelt.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Tough mourning in Minneapolis, but really tough morning in America.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Two children are dead, an eight year old child and
a ten year old child.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They were at mass, first mass of the year for
a Catholic school in Minneapolis. Shooter is dead, apparently a
self inflicted gunshot wound, and a whole lot of questions.
ABC News Alex Stone, Alex, When people like you and
I spend as many hours a week in a newsroom,
we hear some rough stories, but few are as rough
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as this one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, and then whenever it involves children, Lou, terrible morning
in Minneapolis. And here's what we know. I was around
eight thirty this morning. Calls began coming into nine one.
One active shooter at Annunciation Catholic School and police are
saying the shooter now officially IDD a few moments ago
as Robin Westman, wearing all black with a rifle, shotgun
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pistol from the outside of the church, shot children who
were sitting in the pews and very deliberately shot those
children that I want to play for you. Clarissa Garcia.
She was in the church and telling us.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
And I heard something like really loud, like I thought
it was fireworks in the church, and and and then
then I saw the shooting. And then and I was like,
oh my gosh, I'm so scared. And so a teacher
lead me downstairs. She liked to like preschool classroom, and
so I went there, and me and my friend Cecy
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were just praying, praying, and and then and and then
we went we went outside. We were just like waiting
there and then and then and then we went to
somebody's house to be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
There's a little a lot of details coming in right now.
A moment ago in that identification, the FBI Director Cash
Beutel saying that the shooter was born as Robert Westman
but identified as Robin Westman. We know there was a
name change in twenty twenty as the applicant to identifies
as a female and wanted that name change. But Minneapolis
Mayor Jacob Frye also saying.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
This children are dead. They are families that have a
deceased child. You cannot put into wards the gravity, the
tragedy or the absolute pain.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Of this situation, so just to run through it, police
say the shooter intentionally shot the children in those pews.
They were at a service marking the first week back
at school, and they had gone in there, and the
police chief saying this.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The shooter apparently barricaded the doors on that side of
the building so nobody could escape. There was plywood across them,
and the shooter, as they're beginning to try to learn more,
had apparently posted some things online today, and the chief
adding the shooter.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
On one side of the church building and on that
side at least two doors. It appears there had been
like a two by four place, so not all of
the doors around the building, but on the side where
the shooter did fire.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And the number of injured has now gone up to nineteen.
In addition to the eight year old and the ten
year old who were killed, the nineteen others fifteen of
those children were injured, some critically. Right now, the shooter
then shooting herself. The adults who were shot were in
their eighties who were in and who were taking part
in those services. But with the social media, we know
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that the shooter posted these videos early today shows the
shooter flipping through pages of notes, of drawings of weapons,
showing the inside of the church. There was a drawing
of the church itself. So this is being investigated now
as a hate crime against the Catholic Church. But a
moment ago, I want to play one more for you,
a moment ago, the principal of the school saying.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Any of ours, students and families and staff watching right now,
I love you. You're so brave, and I'm so sorry this
happened to us today. Within seconds of this situation beginning,
our teachers were heroes, children were duck down. Adults are
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protecting children, older children are protecting younger children.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And flags are at half staff now at the White House,
President ordering them lowered nationwide this afternoon. And at this
point there are some who are critically injured, but at
a lot of different hospitals in the Minneapolis area.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So the police chief, Brian O'Hara said that the shooter
was found with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol.
And in the video that we're seeing now that we
are we believe is related to or is attached to
the shooter. There are many many magazines, a lot of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean any we.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Heard that all the weapons were legally purchased, but there
are volumes of magazines and ammunition which costs money. Any
do we have any notion or idea where how he
was able to or she was able to obtain all
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Where was she working?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, it doesn't seem police are that far along yet
to know where the money was coming from, which is
a question on many of these that we ask of
where the money has come from that they haven't put
that together yet. Is it this is all happening in
just the last couple of hours. But yeah, three different
weapons that were legally purchased. We know there was what
looks like a smoke grenade as well, according to police,
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And there were some indicators early on of maybe explosive devices,
but the chief saying that they have not identified any
actual explosives that were found in the car or around
the school. We do know there appears in the shooters
on a book or on a laptop that sources are
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telling us a sticker that shows a German band that
is popular with Columbine sympathizers and the Columbine Killers. That
is not all that uncommon in mass killers to be
fans of that German band as well, So they're just
right now trying to understand all this. But where the
money came from for the weapons, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's going to be an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's top on my list really is the acquisition of
the firearms. All right, last question, So we're told that
the shooter was found that in the back of the church,
which means that at some point the shooter entered the church.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Where any shots fired from within the church.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
According to police, they don't think the shooter ever actually
went into the church, but went around the outside of
the church, firing into it through the windows, and very
specifically firing at the children who were inside in those
pews and killing the eight year old and the ten
year old sitting in the pews, and then shooting the
others and attempting to kill the others. But at least
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the current description from the chief is that the shooter
made the way around the church firing into these different
weapons or into the different windows, and children have described
the stained glass windows just busting open and shots coming
through them, so that there was no gunfire, it seems
the inside police got there pretty quickly. There were a
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number of adults who were heroes in this of getting
the children to safety, and that may have all helped,
but this was mainly from the outside.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
ABC News. Alex Stone, thank you so much. Appreciate your
reporting on this. We'll keep an eye on any updates
when we come back. We have a testimony I it
is testimony from people in the pews or hiding under
the pews of this church. Absolutely unbelievable. Louke Penrose and
for John COBLT on the John Cobalt Show on k
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Louke Penrose in for John COBLT on the John coblt
Show this week to children dead in Minneapolis this morning.
The numbers now twenty injured total. Fifteen of the twenty
our children in critical condition, including a six year old.
Six year old child hit with a rifle. That's that's
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rough boatholes. They said dozens of shots fired somewhere between
fifty and one hundred, but dozens of casings. The shooter
had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol and fired
all three. So all right, let's start breaking this down
into all the pieces that is going to be discussed
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and argued over the next couple of hours. Let's dispense
with the whole gun thing. Clearly, this has nothing to
do with guns.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
There are no.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Gun laws that we could enact that would have prevented this.
It has nothing to do with the amount of weapons
that are on the streets. I heard the mayor of
Minneapolis say that there are more guns than people in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know what any of that means.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This guy had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol,
all lawfully perched. So what are you gonna do outlaw rifles, shotguns,
and pistols. So talking about the weapon is and has
always been a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What else do we know? Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well we and you heard me ask Alex Stone. We
know that he had a lot of ammunition. We know
he had a lot of magazines. When I say where
do you see these videos? You'll see them eventually if
you've not seen them already, They're all over social media.
It was originally on his YouTube channel and then he
scrubbed it immediately. I don't understand why that is necessary
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for the FBI, but it was too late. People already
screenshot and capture the video, and it's everywhere except his
YouTube page. And I'm talking like four or five, six
seven magazines and lots of weapons, and they're all over
his bed, and he's going through with his cell phone
and showing everybody all the bullets he has. And this
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costs money. Somebody has to know that he has all
this stuff. Somebody has to be aware that he's purchased
all this stuff. And from the looks of the video,
he does not seem stable enough.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To hold a job.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And if he is able to hold a job, that
job does not pay enough for him to assemble all
of this hardware firepower and also put a roof over
his head and also pay for a car and car
insurance and feed himself three times a day. So he's
living somewhere on someone else's dime who is earning a living,
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and that person could not possibly not know that all
this firepower was in their house. So Minnesota court records
confirmed that Robin Westman, his mother formerly no Robert Westman
is is the individual. Robert Westman formally changed his name
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to Robin Westman in a Minnesota court. It was petitioned
in twenty nineteen, so he would have been seventeen a
minor at the time, and the legal name change was
granted in twenty twenty, and he was a miner at
the time and his mother signed off on it, so
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his mother knew that he wanted to be identified as
a female. According to the court documents, the minor child
identifies as a female and wants her name change to
reflect that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The application for name change of.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
A minor was filed by the mother in court in
nineteen and granted in twenty twenty. So the mother and
the mother, apparently, according to the New York Post, worked
at some point at the school, the Catholic school. We
don't know if he attended the school. We don't know
how familiar he was with the school. He was familiar
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enough with Catholic Mass in a Catholic school to know
that the children all sit together.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So this was Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
School started on Monday, and Wednesday is the first day
of school Mass for the week. And I know this
because do you know what I did this morning? I
dropped off my children at school and they were in
their mass uniforms because Wednesday is the first Mass day
of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So I came home and heard the story on KFI.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It was surreal because I'm so familiar with the process
school starts. Mass Day is a mid day, a midweek
event in our parish.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's on Wednesday, and apparently saying goes for this school
in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And the way this works is the children go check
into the classroom and then they go over to if
there is a church on campus or a church adjacent
to the campus, which is the case here in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And then they all go in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Sometimes parents attend, Sometimes parents can't because they're going to work.
Sometimes grandparents can, which is why there were some elderly
folks injured at a you know, elementary school Catholic Mass.
But the way this works is the children file into
the pews and they sit with their classes. So all
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the kindergarteners sit together with the teacher, then all the
first graders, then all the second graders, and it goes
by class. And the shooter knew that because the stained
glass window that he aimed for was on the side
of the church where the children were, so he knew
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enough about the way the process of the first Mass works.
And this goes on for every Mass. But this was
the very first mass. So every child had on a
brand new mass uniform, right, and some of the second
and third graders they have on the new uniform because
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there's a different uniform for kindergarteners than there are as
they get into third grade and fourth grade. All the
kids were ready to go first Mass of the year, and.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This is how it sounded for them.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
The shots fired and then he kind of like got
under the pews. He kind of a shot through the
the stained glass windows, I think, and it was really scary.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, unbelievable, Like when I'm waiting for mass to get going,
and this was the way it was even when I
was a kid.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's what you would do.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
You would just kind of marvel out the stained glass
window because it's just so amazing looking. And they're amazing
looking in every church which I've ever been, And I
can't imagine a kindergartener just sitting.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
There, you know, five.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Six years old, looking at the stained glass beauty, only
to have bullets ripped through them at you. They asked
one kid, hey, didn't you practice school shooting drills at school?
They asked an eight year old, why didn't you invoke
the school the shooting drill that they've been teaching you.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
You've only practiced it in the main school, so we
really didn't know what to do. We just got into
the pews and he shot through the stained glass. Womdows.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, they never practiced the shooting drill inside the church.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This is unbelievable. Look, this be lies any attempt. I
know that everyone's trying to find a motive. They're going
to sort through this guy's manifesto. The reality is there
is no fixing crazy. This is crazy, absolute crazy. And
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how aware the Saye were about the crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Around them is really the question.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
The mother, wherever he was living, the people around him,
if he was working, his coworkers, why aren't these people saying, hey,
this guy's crazy and he has guns. That is the
only way to prevent these things from happening. We'll talk
about it more when we get back. Lou Penrose. If
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
Loup Penrose, if John Coblt on The John coblt Show
talking about this horrible shooting in Minneapolis this morning. Two
children dead and now fifteen children in critical condition. Won
as young as six years old. What we know about
the shooter, While know he was in his twenties. We
know he showed up wearing black clothing and cargo pants.
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He was armed with a rifle, shotgun, pistol fired. All
three fired through the stained glass window on purpose, toward
the children where he knew the children would be in
the pews for the first mass of the complic school
year for this school. And we do know that his
mother signed off on a court petition to legally change
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his name from Robert to Robin because according to the documents,
it states that the minor child identifies as female and
wants her name to reflect the identification.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Now, I don't know where that is in the whole
trans discussion. Somebody that is that it if you identify as.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
A female and you're a man, that makes you trans
or does that just mean you want a name change.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I don't want to get too caught up in the
trans thing. Yet this person was insane, There's no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Like there are people.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
If a grown ass man wants to be called Robin,
instead of Robert and walk around and address and grow
their hair out and put on lipstick and shop at Alta.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's their business.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't care what grown people do as long as
they're safe. Now you can say, hello, there's something wrong
with anybody that is a man wants to walk around
and address and shop at Alta and put on lipstick.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Maybe I don't know. These are grown people and they
can do whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
There are also insane people that are confused about everything,
who's talking to them, what they're here on earth to do,
whether they are a boy or a girl, and I
think this individual falls into that category. So I'm far
more concerned about the mental derangement and the violence and
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the access to weapons, and the fact that people like
this always have some kind of an enabler, always have
some kind of an accomplice they are acting alone.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I noticed he has no criminal history.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well back when he was seventeen, he probably couldn't purchase
a whole lot of firepower or hide it as well.
I don't know, but between the ages of between twenty
and twenty twenty, in twenty twenty and twenty five, he
armed himself because he was always unstable, right he was
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unstable from twenty nineteen when he filed the petition. So
something's wrong, and there was time to catch wrong, and
there was time to catch dangerous. The time to do
that is when they are a minor. So that's what
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I want to know, Like, that's the first question. First off,
I want a toxicology report. What kind of drugs did
the doctors put him on to make him feel more
comfortable being a woman, And did that have some kind
of psychological effect on his brain and exacerbate what was
already crazy?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That's number one. Number two, who gave him the money?
And how come nobody new to stop using the left language.
The shooter was a he.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
The shooter was a he, and somehow it's a factor
that he identified as a she. I will say this
with respect to the entire trans question. This has kind
of been bothering me all day. There is an apprehension
in the news business, and I've been watching this on television,
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there's an apprehension to bring up the fact that the
shooter at seventeen petitioned to have his name changed from
Robert to Robin, specifically because the shooter a child identified
as a female and wants the name chains to reflect
the identification.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That was known.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't know ten o'clock this morning, even in the
nine o'clock hour California time. I mean, that was confirmed,
those court records were already out on social media, and
everybody on TV, everybody in the news business, they wouldn't
bring that part up.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The shooter. The shooter was found dead at the back
of the church.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
The shooter had you know, was wearing black and was
wearing cargo pants. The shooter used the rifle of the
pistol and the shotgun the shooter. And I'm like, come on,
if it doesn't matter and it's all just fine, if
people are just identifying as female and that's not at
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all newsworthy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Then why not just say it? It certainly is interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Why the apprehension, Why do we tiptoe in the news
business around the fact that this person and was certainly abnormal?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean that is what the literal definition of abnormal is.
Normal people are born a man and stay a man.
Normal people are born a woman and stay a woman.
It is outside of normal. That's why it's rare. Like
you know, it's not the majority of people that transition.
It's not the majority of people who wish to be
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identified as the opposite sex. So it is by literal
definition abnormal. Now again, I've grown people like you could
be in that category and be perfectly fine with your
life and lead a productive life and uh, you know,
have a ball. But it certainly is a factor because
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there are many people who still wonder if there isn't
something a little bit because there is. There is such
a thing as gender dysmorphic disorder, right, There are disorders
as well as people who just freely choose to.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Live their life as another gender. So the fact that that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Part of the whole story was hidden for as long
as the news could hide it, I don't know, speaks
to a real immaturity to me about the news business,
Like why why why can't you say it? If it's
absolutely fine and should have nothing to do with the
fact that this person was mentally ill and a monster
and targeting children, then why not pointed out?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, no, Lou, that's everybody's gonna jump on.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's gonna it's gonna cause an unfair targeting of the
trans community who buy and larger peaceful people, Well, that's
up to the trans community. Well, they're the ones that
have the issue a statement saying, hey, this monster does
represent us.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Like they're growing up sticking five bad. I just wanted
to mention that your your commentary.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
He's insightful, it's educational, it's just really well done.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So I appreciate the call.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
We need a background check that includes social media and
a mental evaluation, and until that happens, this is going
to continue to happen. You can't just get a gun
without having your mental capacity screened and your social media
screen You know what.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
We could do right before the background check.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Everybody around this person could check, right before the gun
store owner has to go through the work of doing
the background check and scrubbing the social media pages.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
What about the mother?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Is there only a mother? Is there a father? Are
their siblings? How about an aunt and an uncle? What
about the next door neighbor. What about the girlfriend or
the boyfriend or whatever friend? What about the boss, coworkers?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Community around this individual. And if he's a loaner, what
about all his classmates. Hey, and that guy's a weirdo
and a loaner, and now I saw him buying a gun.
Like the foreground check also is a thing. Lou Penrose
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This week coming up, following the news of two, California
State assembly Member Karl Demiel will join us an update
on Prop fifty.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We now may have.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Some of the language in the title, so we'll know
how they're going to try to mislead the voter and
frankly lie to the voter. Update now on this shooting
in Minneapolis, two children killed. The FBI is now calling
this a hate crime against Catholics. All right, I mean whatever,
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This is why I hate the whole hate crime thing.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay, I'm a Catholic.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I dropped my kids off at Catholic school this morning,
where they too had the first Wednesday Mass of the
school year. So that doesn't make me feel any better
that they're treating it as a hate crime. Look, we're Catholic.
Saint Peter was crucified upside down, so I'm you know,
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we're not really worried about this. Freak from Minneapolis.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Thank you so much for addressing that psychopath as a man.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
That's bullish that some news stations are addressing the idiot
as a female.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, that's been an interesting component.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
To all this, the apprehension.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
To announce what was already out on social media for hours.
And I don't know if there's a political correctness that's
going on. I don't know if the news industry, and
this isn't just any one network, they all did it,
like nobody wanted to admit what we many of us
knew if we were on social media this morning between
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nine in the morning until around twelve thirty one ish
West Coast time, that this person was or was a
man identifying as a woman, had changed his name and
like that bothers. A lot of people, including me, like it. Really,
if you're dried around, don't have access to all the
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news information that you have, if you're not like people
like me that are sitting around a newsroom gathering information,
and you hear about this horrible tragedy. Two children are dead,
Oh my gosh, in church bullets going through the stained
glass window. I can't think of anything more horrible, right,
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and you're listening you want to know what happened, what happened,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Who would shoot at children? Was it a terrorist? Was
it Osama bin Laden? And then only hours later do
you find out on your own, no help from the news,
that it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Was some some some some freak that uh, you know,
for identifies a guy that identifies as a woman, and
you think, oh, well that makes sense.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
Blue.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I want to thank you.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I really do you actually call him the shooter a
man and you're saying what he's saying, he so you
would he is correct, And I thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, there's nothing about the shooter that is a man.
This shooter is an animal, an absolute monster. And I
go back to what I started with, and that is
somebody helped him get these weapons. Somebody knew that he
was gathering ammunition. Somebody knew that he had lots of magazines.
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He had a car, so somebody somebody gave him a car,
gifted him a car, or helped him buy a car.
Somebody was putting gas in that car, Somebody was paying
for car insurance.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, unless he went to a different.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Gun shop for every single purchase, somebody had to know
that he was purchased seeing lots of magazines and like
that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When you would I'm all for.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know, whatever background check you want to come up
with that would have prevented this. I don't know what
it would be. I don't know what gun control legislation
they're talking about passing up there in Minneapolis. I heard
the mayor of Minneapolis talk about guns. I don't know
why even brings it up. This guy had tons of firepower.
He had all the categories. He had a shotgun, which
no one ever talks about limiting the purchase of a
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shotgun because people hunt with.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Shotguns in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
He had a rifle, and he had a pistol, so
he had a handgun.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So he had all of them. So I don't know
what kind of gun control you want to limit.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And he had all kinds of ammunition, and he had
multiple magazines, and he was a nut.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Here's more of one of the uh. One of the
kids in that church this morning.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
My friend got hit in the map to the hospital.
He went to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What went through your mind when you saw that?
Speaker 9 (30:09):
I was super scared.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
For and feel bad for that kid. I feel bad
for all these children.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't I don't know enough about child psychology or
counseling or trauma treatment or any of those things. Uh.
I do know that I got an email from my
kid's school earlier today talking about security for copycat crimes.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It never even occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
My first thought was, Well, the kids are going to
hear about it when they get home, and are they
going to be scared? And is it going to have
an impact on their desire to attend mass? And I thought,
that's going to be a conversation. Now I'll have to
go home tonight with my and my wife and I
will have to figure out how to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Explain this to them. Because my see.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
My niece who also attends the same school. She's the
same age as the oldest child that was shot. So
it was an eight year old and a ten year
old that was shot and killed. They were fifteen totally shot.
The youngest shot, who was in critical condition, is six
years old. So I will agree with the Mayor of
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Minneapolis on one point. It is kind and it is
courteous to talk about thoughts and prayers like that's a
phrase that is just used out of just an absolute
lack of any ability to offer anything.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right, Your heart is broken. My heart is broken. This
is terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I can't imagine, can't imagine what it would be like
to be the parent of an eight year old that
is now gone after being dropped off at a Catholic
school and left the school, went adjacent to the church
to attend mass. I can't even begin. I can't my
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brain can't go there because I wouldn't be able to function,
So I can't even imagine. And that's an eight year
old and a ten year old, so two families just shattered.
Then of course you have the families of the fifteen
children and the parents of the six year old who's
in critical condition, six years old shot with a rifle.
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So it's beyond our ability to do anything but say wow,
our heartbreaks, and we offer our thoughts and prayers. But
the mayor is correct and thoughts and prayers is not enough,
like something has to be done. We have to drill
down on the mental illness in our society. This is,
in fact, a uniquely American problem. This does not happen,
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not to this degree in other countries. And we know
it's not the weapons, So we need to figure it
out or it's gonna happen again. Louke Penrose, if of
John Cobelt on KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
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Tough mourning in Minneapolis, but really tough morning in America.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Two children are dead, an eight year old child and
a ten year old child.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They were at mass, first mass of the year for
a Catholic school in Minneapolis. Shooter is dead, apparently a
self inflicted gunshot wound, and a whole lot of questions.
ABC News Alex Stone, Alex, When people like you and
I spend as many hours a week in a newsroom,
we hear some rough stories, but few are as rough
(00:37):
as this one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, and then whenever it involves children, Lou, terrible morning
in Minneapolis. And here's what we know. I was around
eight thirty this morning. Calls began coming into nine one.
One active shooter at Annunciation Catholic School and police are
saying the shooter now officially IDD a few moments ago
as Robin Westman, wearing all black with a rifle, shotgun
(00:59):
pistol from the outside of the church, shot children who
were sitting in the pews and very deliberately shot those
children that I want to play for you. Clarissa Garcia.
She was in the church and telling us.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
And I heard something like really loud, like I thought
it was fireworks in the church, and and and then
then I saw the shooting. And then and I was like,
oh my gosh, I'm so scared. And so a teacher
lead me downstairs. She liked to like preschool classroom, and
so I went there, and me and my friend Cecy
(01:33):
were just praying, praying, and and then and and then
we went we went outside. We were just like waiting
there and then and then and then we went to
somebody's house to be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
There's a little a lot of details coming in right now.
A moment ago in that identification, the FBI Director Cash
Beutel saying that the shooter was born as Robert Westman
but identified as Robin Westman. We know there was a
name change in twenty twenty as the applicant to identifies
as a female and wanted that name change. But Minneapolis
Mayor Jacob Frye also saying.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
This children are dead. They are families that have a
deceased child. You cannot put into wards the gravity, the
tragedy or the absolute pain.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Of this situation, so just to run through it, police
say the shooter intentionally shot the children in those pews.
They were at a service marking the first week back
at school, and they had gone in there, and the
police chief saying this.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The shooter apparently barricaded the doors on that side of
the building so nobody could escape. There was plywood across them,
and the shooter, as they're beginning to try to learn more,
had apparently posted some things online today, and the chief
adding the shooter.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
On one side of the church building and on that
side at least two doors. It appears there had been
like a two by four place, so not all of
the doors around the building, but on the side where
the shooter did fire.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And the number of injured has now gone up to nineteen.
In addition to the eight year old and the ten
year old who were killed, the nineteen others fifteen of
those children were injured, some critically. Right now, the shooter
then shooting herself. The adults who were shot were in
their eighties who were in and who were taking part
in those services. But with the social media, we know
(03:36):
that the shooter posted these videos early today shows the
shooter flipping through pages of notes, of drawings of weapons,
showing the inside of the church. There was a drawing
of the church itself. So this is being investigated now
as a hate crime against the Catholic Church. But a
moment ago, I want to play one more for you,
a moment ago, the principal of the school saying.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Any of ours, students and families and staff watching right now,
I love you. You're so brave, and I'm so sorry this
happened to us today. Within seconds of this situation beginning,
our teachers were heroes, children were duck down. Adults are
(04:19):
protecting children, older children are protecting younger children.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And flags are at half staff now at the White House,
President ordering them lowered nationwide this afternoon. And at this
point there are some who are critically injured, but at
a lot of different hospitals in the Minneapolis area.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So the police chief, Brian O'Hara said that the shooter
was found with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol.
And in the video that we're seeing now that we
are we believe is related to or is attached to
the shooter. There are many many magazines, a lot of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean any we.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Heard that all the weapons were legally purchased, but there
are volumes of magazines and ammunition which costs money. Any
do we have any notion or idea where how he
was able to or she was able to obtain all
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Where was she working?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, it doesn't seem police are that far along yet
to know where the money was coming from, which is
a question on many of these that we ask of
where the money has come from that they haven't put
that together yet. Is it this is all happening in
just the last couple of hours. But yeah, three different
weapons that were legally purchased. We know there was what
looks like a smoke grenade as well, according to police,
(05:36):
And there were some indicators early on of maybe explosive devices,
but the chief saying that they have not identified any
actual explosives that were found in the car or around
the school. We do know there appears in the shooters
on a book or on a laptop that sources are
(05:57):
telling us a sticker that shows a German band that
is popular with Columbine sympathizers and the Columbine Killers. That
is not all that uncommon in mass killers to be
fans of that German band as well, So they're just
right now trying to understand all this. But where the
money came from for the weapons, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's going to be an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's top on my list really is the acquisition of
the firearms. All right, last question, So we're told that
the shooter was found that in the back of the church,
which means that at some point the shooter entered the church.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Where any shots fired from within the church.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
According to police, they don't think the shooter ever actually
went into the church, but went around the outside of
the church, firing into it through the windows, and very
specifically firing at the children who were inside in those
pews and killing the eight year old and the ten
year old sitting in the pews, and then shooting the
others and attempting to kill the others. But at least
(06:53):
the current description from the chief is that the shooter
made the way around the church firing into these different
weapons or into the different windows, and children have described
the stained glass windows just busting open and shots coming
through them, so that there was no gunfire, it seems
the inside police got there pretty quickly. There were a
(07:16):
number of adults who were heroes in this of getting
the children to safety, and that may have all helped,
but this was mainly from the outside.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
ABC News. Alex Stone, thank you so much. Appreciate your
reporting on this. We'll keep an eye on any updates
when we come back. We have a testimony I it
is testimony from people in the pews or hiding under
the pews of this church. Absolutely unbelievable. Louke Penrose and
for John COBLT on the John Cobalt Show on k
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Louke Penrose in for John COBLT on the John coblt
Show this week to children dead in Minneapolis this morning.
The numbers now twenty injured total. Fifteen of the twenty
our children in critical condition, including a six year old.
Six year old child hit with a rifle. That's that's
(08:14):
rough boatholes. They said dozens of shots fired somewhere between
fifty and one hundred, but dozens of casings. The shooter
had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol and fired
all three. So all right, let's start breaking this down
into all the pieces that is going to be discussed
(08:35):
and argued over the next couple of hours. Let's dispense
with the whole gun thing. Clearly, this has nothing to
do with guns.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
There are no.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Gun laws that we could enact that would have prevented this.
It has nothing to do with the amount of weapons
that are on the streets. I heard the mayor of
Minneapolis say that there are more guns than people in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know what any of that means.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This guy had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol,
all lawfully perched. So what are you gonna do outlaw rifles, shotguns,
and pistols. So talking about the weapon is and has
always been a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What else do we know? Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well we and you heard me ask Alex Stone. We
know that he had a lot of ammunition. We know
he had a lot of magazines. When I say where
do you see these videos? You'll see them eventually if
you've not seen them already, They're all over social media.
It was originally on his YouTube channel and then he
scrubbed it immediately. I don't understand why that is necessary
(09:42):
for the FBI, but it was too late. People already
screenshot and capture the video, and it's everywhere except his
YouTube page. And I'm talking like four or five, six
seven magazines and lots of weapons, and they're all over
his bed, and he's going through with his cell phone
and showing everybody all the bullets he has. And this
(10:07):
costs money. Somebody has to know that he has all
this stuff. Somebody has to be aware that he's purchased
all this stuff. And from the looks of the video,
he does not seem stable enough.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To hold a job.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And if he is able to hold a job, that
job does not pay enough for him to assemble all
of this hardware firepower and also put a roof over
his head and also pay for a car and car
insurance and feed himself three times a day. So he's
living somewhere on someone else's dime who is earning a living,
(10:46):
and that person could not possibly not know that all
this firepower was in their house. So Minnesota court records
confirmed that Robin Westman, his mother formerly no Robert Westman
is is the individual. Robert Westman formally changed his name
(11:12):
to Robin Westman in a Minnesota court. It was petitioned
in twenty nineteen, so he would have been seventeen a
minor at the time, and the legal name change was
granted in twenty twenty, and he was a miner at
the time and his mother signed off on it, so
(11:35):
his mother knew that he wanted to be identified as
a female. According to the court documents, the minor child
identifies as a female and wants her name change to
reflect that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The application for name change of.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
A minor was filed by the mother in court in
nineteen and granted in twenty twenty. So the mother and
the mother, apparently, according to the New York Post, worked
at some point at the school, the Catholic school. We
don't know if he attended the school. We don't know
how familiar he was with the school. He was familiar
(12:12):
enough with Catholic Mass in a Catholic school to know
that the children all sit together.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So this was Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
School started on Monday, and Wednesday is the first day
of school Mass for the week. And I know this
because do you know what I did this morning? I
dropped off my children at school and they were in
their mass uniforms because Wednesday is the first Mass day
of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So I came home and heard the story on KFI.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It was surreal because I'm so familiar with the process
school starts. Mass Day is a mid day, a midweek
event in our parish.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's on Wednesday, and apparently saying goes for this school
in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And the way this works is the children go check
into the classroom and then they go over to if
there is a church on campus or a church adjacent
to the campus, which is the case here in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And then they all go in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Sometimes parents attend, Sometimes parents can't because they're going to work.
Sometimes grandparents can, which is why there were some elderly
folks injured at a you know, elementary school Catholic Mass.
But the way this works is the children file into
the pews and they sit with their classes. So all
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the kindergarteners sit together with the teacher, then all the
first graders, then all the second graders, and it goes
by class. And the shooter knew that because the stained
glass window that he aimed for was on the side
of the church where the children were, so he knew
(13:58):
enough about the way the process of the first Mass works.
And this goes on for every Mass. But this was
the very first mass. So every child had on a
brand new mass uniform, right, and some of the second
and third graders they have on the new uniform because
(14:18):
there's a different uniform for kindergarteners than there are as
they get into third grade and fourth grade. All the
kids were ready to go first Mass of the year, and.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This is how it sounded for them.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
The shots fired and then he kind of like got
under the pews. He kind of a shot through the
the stained glass windows, I think, and it was really scary.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, unbelievable, Like when I'm waiting for mass to get going,
and this was the way it was even when I
was a kid.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's what you would do.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
You would just kind of marvel out the stained glass
window because it's just so amazing looking. And they're amazing
looking in every church which I've ever been, And I
can't imagine a kindergartener just sitting.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
There, you know, five.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Six years old, looking at the stained glass beauty, only
to have bullets ripped through them at you. They asked
one kid, hey, didn't you practice school shooting drills at school?
They asked an eight year old, why didn't you invoke
the school the shooting drill that they've been teaching you.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
You've only practiced it in the main school, so we
really didn't know what to do. We just got into
the pews and he shot through the stained glass. Womdows.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, they never practiced the shooting drill inside the church.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This is unbelievable. Look, this be lies any attempt. I
know that everyone's trying to find a motive. They're going
to sort through this guy's manifesto. The reality is there
is no fixing crazy. This is crazy, absolute crazy. And
(16:04):
how aware the Saye were about the crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Around them is really the question.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
The mother, wherever he was living, the people around him,
if he was working, his coworkers, why aren't these people saying, hey,
this guy's crazy and he has guns. That is the
only way to prevent these things from happening. We'll talk
about it more when we get back. Lou Penrose. If
John Coblt on KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
(16:36):
the iHeartRadio app.
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
Loup Penrose, if John Coblt on The John coblt Show
talking about this horrible shooting in Minneapolis this morning. Two
children dead and now fifteen children in critical condition. Won
as young as six years old. What we know about
the shooter, While know he was in his twenties. We
know he showed up wearing black clothing and cargo pants.
(17:06):
He was armed with a rifle, shotgun, pistol fired. All
three fired through the stained glass window on purpose, toward
the children where he knew the children would be in
the pews for the first mass of the complic school
year for this school. And we do know that his
mother signed off on a court petition to legally change
(17:30):
his name from Robert to Robin because according to the documents,
it states that the minor child identifies as female and
wants her name to reflect the identification.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Now, I don't know where that is in the whole
trans discussion. Somebody that is that it if you identify as.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
A female and you're a man, that makes you trans
or does that just mean you want a name change.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I don't want to get too caught up in the
trans thing. Yet this person was insane, There's no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Like there are people.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
If a grown ass man wants to be called Robin,
instead of Robert and walk around and address and grow
their hair out and put on lipstick and shop at Alta.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's their business.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't care what grown people do as long as
they're safe. Now you can say, hello, there's something wrong
with anybody that is a man wants to walk around
and address and shop at Alta and put on lipstick.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Maybe I don't know. These are grown people and they
can do whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
There are also insane people that are confused about everything,
who's talking to them, what they're here on earth to do,
whether they are a boy or a girl, and I
think this individual falls into that category. So I'm far
more concerned about the mental derangement and the violence and
(19:00):
the access to weapons, and the fact that people like
this always have some kind of an enabler, always have
some kind of an accomplice they are acting alone.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I noticed he has no criminal history.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well back when he was seventeen, he probably couldn't purchase
a whole lot of firepower or hide it as well.
I don't know, but between the ages of between twenty
and twenty twenty, in twenty twenty and twenty five, he
armed himself because he was always unstable, right he was
(19:36):
unstable from twenty nineteen when he filed the petition. So
something's wrong, and there was time to catch wrong, and
there was time to catch dangerous. The time to do
that is when they are a minor. So that's what
(19:57):
I want to know, Like, that's the first question. First off,
I want a toxicology report. What kind of drugs did
the doctors put him on to make him feel more
comfortable being a woman, And did that have some kind
of psychological effect on his brain and exacerbate what was
already crazy?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That's number one. Number two, who gave him the money?
And how come nobody new to stop using the left language.
The shooter was a he.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
The shooter was a he, and somehow it's a factor
that he identified as a she. I will say this
with respect to the entire trans question. This has kind
of been bothering me all day. There is an apprehension
in the news business, and I've been watching this on television,
(20:45):
there's an apprehension to bring up the fact that the
shooter at seventeen petitioned to have his name changed from
Robert to Robin, specifically because the shooter a child identified
as a female and wants the name chains to reflect
the identification.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That was known.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't know ten o'clock this morning, even in the
nine o'clock hour California time. I mean, that was confirmed,
those court records were already out on social media, and
everybody on TV, everybody in the news business, they wouldn't
bring that part up.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The shooter. The shooter was found dead at the back
of the church.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
The shooter had you know, was wearing black and was
wearing cargo pants. The shooter used the rifle of the
pistol and the shotgun the shooter. And I'm like, come on,
if it doesn't matter and it's all just fine, if
people are just identifying as female and that's not at
(21:47):
all newsworthy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Then why not just say it? It certainly is interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Why the apprehension, Why do we tiptoe in the news
business around the fact that this person and was certainly abnormal?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean that is what the literal definition of abnormal is.
Normal people are born a man and stay a man.
Normal people are born a woman and stay a woman.
It is outside of normal. That's why it's rare. Like
you know, it's not the majority of people that transition.
It's not the majority of people who wish to be
(22:28):
identified as the opposite sex. So it is by literal
definition abnormal. Now again, I've grown people like you could
be in that category and be perfectly fine with your
life and lead a productive life and uh, you know,
have a ball. But it certainly is a factor because
(22:52):
there are many people who still wonder if there isn't
something a little bit because there is. There is such
a thing as gender dysmorphic disorder, right, There are disorders
as well as people who just freely choose to.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Live their life as another gender. So the fact that that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Part of the whole story was hidden for as long
as the news could hide it, I don't know, speaks
to a real immaturity to me about the news business,
Like why why why can't you say it? If it's
absolutely fine and should have nothing to do with the
fact that this person was mentally ill and a monster
and targeting children, then why not pointed out?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, no, Lou, that's everybody's gonna jump on.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's gonna it's gonna cause an unfair targeting of the
trans community who buy and larger peaceful people, Well, that's
up to the trans community. Well, they're the ones that
have the issue a statement saying, hey, this monster does
represent us.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Like they're growing up sticking five bad. I just wanted
to mention that your your commentary.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
He's insightful, it's educational, it's just really well done.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So I appreciate the call.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
We need a background check that includes social media and
a mental evaluation, and until that happens, this is going
to continue to happen. You can't just get a gun
without having your mental capacity screened and your social media
screen You know what.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
We could do right before the background check.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Everybody around this person could check, right before the gun
store owner has to go through the work of doing
the background check and scrubbing the social media pages.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
What about the mother?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Is there only a mother? Is there a father? Are
their siblings? How about an aunt and an uncle? What
about the next door neighbor. What about the girlfriend or
the boyfriend or whatever friend? What about the boss, coworkers?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Community around this individual. And if he's a loaner, what
about all his classmates. Hey, and that guy's a weirdo
and a loaner, and now I saw him buying a gun.
Like the foreground check also is a thing. Lou Penrose
infa John Cobelt on The John Cobolt Show on KFI
AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
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Speaker 3 (25:15):
Lou Penrose Info. John Cobelt on The John Cobelt Show.
This week coming up, following the news of two, California
State assembly Member Karl Demiel will join us an update
on Prop fifty.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We now may have.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Some of the language in the title, so we'll know
how they're going to try to mislead the voter and
frankly lie to the voter. Update now on this shooting
in Minneapolis, two children killed. The FBI is now calling
this a hate crime against Catholics. All right, I mean whatever,
(25:50):
This is why I hate the whole hate crime thing.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay, I'm a Catholic.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I dropped my kids off at Catholic school this morning,
where they too had the first Wednesday Mass of the
school year. So that doesn't make me feel any better
that they're treating it as a hate crime. Look, we're Catholic.
Saint Peter was crucified upside down, so I'm you know,
(26:17):
we're not really worried about this. Freak from Minneapolis.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Thank you so much for addressing that psychopath as a man.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
That's bullish that some news stations are addressing the idiot
as a female.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, that's been an interesting component.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
To all this, the apprehension.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
To announce what was already out on social media for hours.
And I don't know if there's a political correctness that's
going on. I don't know if the news industry, and
this isn't just any one network, they all did it,
like nobody wanted to admit what we many of us
knew if we were on social media this morning between
(26:56):
nine in the morning until around twelve thirty one ish
West Coast time, that this person was or was a
man identifying as a woman, had changed his name and
like that bothers. A lot of people, including me, like it. Really,
if you're dried around, don't have access to all the
(27:18):
news information that you have, if you're not like people
like me that are sitting around a newsroom gathering information,
and you hear about this horrible tragedy. Two children are dead,
Oh my gosh, in church bullets going through the stained
glass window. I can't think of anything more horrible, right,
(27:41):
and you're listening you want to know what happened, what happened,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Who would shoot at children? Was it a terrorist? Was
it Osama bin Laden? And then only hours later do
you find out on your own, no help from the news,
that it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Was some some some some freak that uh, you know,
for identifies a guy that identifies as a woman, and
you think, oh, well that makes sense.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
Blue.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I want to thank you.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I really do you actually call him the shooter a
man and you're saying what he's saying, he so you
would he is correct, And I thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, there's nothing about the shooter that is a man.
This shooter is an animal, an absolute monster. And I
go back to what I started with, and that is
somebody helped him get these weapons. Somebody knew that he
was gathering ammunition. Somebody knew that he had lots of magazines.
(28:40):
He had a car, so somebody somebody gave him a car,
gifted him a car, or helped him buy a car.
Somebody was putting gas in that car, Somebody was paying
for car insurance.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, unless he went to a different.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Gun shop for every single purchase, somebody had to know
that he was purchased seeing lots of magazines and like
that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When you would I'm all for.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know, whatever background check you want to come up
with that would have prevented this. I don't know what
it would be. I don't know what gun control legislation
they're talking about passing up there in Minneapolis. I heard
the mayor of Minneapolis talk about guns. I don't know
why even brings it up. This guy had tons of firepower.
He had all the categories. He had a shotgun, which
no one ever talks about limiting the purchase of a
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shotgun because people hunt with.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Shotguns in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
He had a rifle, and he had a pistol, so
he had a handgun.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So he had all of them. So I don't know
what kind of gun control you want to limit.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And he had all kinds of ammunition, and he had
multiple magazines, and he was a nut.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Here's more of one of the uh. One of the
kids in that church this morning.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
My friend got hit in the map to the hospital.
He went to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What went through your mind when you saw that?
Speaker 9 (30:09):
I was super scared.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
For and feel bad for that kid. I feel bad
for all these children.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't I don't know enough about child psychology or
counseling or trauma treatment or any of those things. Uh.
I do know that I got an email from my
kid's school earlier today talking about security for copycat crimes.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It never even occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
My first thought was, Well, the kids are going to
hear about it when they get home, and are they
going to be scared? And is it going to have
an impact on their desire to attend mass? And I thought,
that's going to be a conversation. Now I'll have to
go home tonight with my and my wife and I
will have to figure out how to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Explain this to them. Because my see.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
My niece who also attends the same school. She's the
same age as the oldest child that was shot. So
it was an eight year old and a ten year
old that was shot and killed. They were fifteen totally shot.
The youngest shot, who was in critical condition, is six
years old. So I will agree with the Mayor of
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Minneapolis on one point. It is kind and it is
courteous to talk about thoughts and prayers like that's a
phrase that is just used out of just an absolute
lack of any ability to offer anything.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right, Your heart is broken. My heart is broken. This
is terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I can't imagine, can't imagine what it would be like
to be the parent of an eight year old that
is now gone after being dropped off at a Catholic
school and left the school, went adjacent to the church
to attend mass. I can't even begin. I can't my
(32:04):
brain can't go there because I wouldn't be able to function,
So I can't even imagine. And that's an eight year
old and a ten year old, so two families just shattered.
Then of course you have the families of the fifteen
children and the parents of the six year old who's
in critical condition, six years old shot with a rifle.
(32:25):
So it's beyond our ability to do anything but say wow,
our heartbreaks, and we offer our thoughts and prayers. But
the mayor is correct and thoughts and prayers is not enough,
like something has to be done. We have to drill
down on the mental illness in our society. This is,
in fact, a uniquely American problem. This does not happen,
(32:46):
not to this degree in other countries. And we know
it's not the weapons, So we need to figure it
out or it's gonna happen again. Louke Penrose, if of
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