October 8, 2025 • 31 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (10/08) - Michael Monks comes on the show to talk about an arrest being made in connection to the origin of the Palisades Fire. CA State Assemblyman Carl DeMaio comes on the show to talk about the Voter ID and No on Prop 50 events going on today. More on the suspect who was arrested in connection to starting the Palisades Fire.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Caf I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What a day already? Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're on from one until four o'clock and then after
four o'clock John Cobelt' show on demand, the podcast version
same as the radio show, and that I'll be posted
as soon as we're done here. The day started with
a press conference in downtown La Bill A. Saley, the
acting US Attorney, announcing they have a suspect arrested in
the Palisades fire and the whole story was not what
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anybody expected.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Michael Munks was there.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I was at this press conference and it was
a bit of information because we finally know, according to
these allegations, the origin of the Palisades fire. And what
is Dari say interesting. I'm trying not to be insensitive
because obviously the Palisades Fire was deadly and destructive, but
what we really learned today was the origin of a
much smaller fire called the Lachman Fire. This was a
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fire that started in the early minutes after midnight on
New Year's Day this year. A guy named Jonathan rinder
Necked allegedly was hanging up hanging out up in the
Palisades and started a fire. This fire grew, firefighters came
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suppressed it, but it was not fully out. And days later,
when the Santa Ana Wins blew in, that Lachman fire
gained so much strength and morphed into the Palisades fire.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So it continued to smolder for a week. That's what
we learned today, heat coming from it, and I all
the way down to the roots, the underground roots. This
thing was basically buried underground, is the way that it
was described today and the firefighters. One of the comments
that was made by the federal officials who were making
this announcement today was firefighters don't always put the fire out.
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Their goal is to suppress the fire, and that's what
they did. So by the time the Santa Ana Wins
blew in the next week, there was an enough left
there for just this devastating, massive firestorm to blossom.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
What's this guy's story.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
This guy's story is also intriguing. He was driving for
uber while living in the Palisades. I don't know exactly
where in the Palisades, but he was apparently living in
the Palisads. He's twenty nine years old, was driving for
Uber on New Year's Eve, had some passengers even he
was working that day. Federal investigators talked to those passengers
and they described this driver, Jonathan Rindernecked, as someone who
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was irritated, irritable, unpleasant, not happy, in a bad mood. Basically,
when he dropped off his last passenger, he pulls off
on the side of the road and walks up one
of the hills and he's watching a video that he
has watched a lot of times, according to prosecutors. They
say that he's watched the same music video hundreds of times,
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and this song's video includes imagery of fire. He also
expressed some interest in fire by asking chat GPT, one
of the artificial intelligence tools online, to create an image
for him. So the prompt he put in was basically
along the lines of show me a city on fire
with people running, and prosecutors showed this image today. It
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was nine different squares with the left side of each
square had massive fire burning forests and cities and trucks
and cars and people were fleeing. On the other side
of each square had greenery and peace and calm. So
that was an image that he had created. So they
suggest that he is somebody who had a bit of
an interest in this type of behavior. But on the
day New Year's Day, while he's sitting up by himself
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in the palisades and he had started this fire, he
called nine one one, and calling nine to one one
is going to play a role in the further prosecution.
Here is what Acting US Attorney Bill A. Saley said
about that.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Today, law enforcement got to work and by January twenty
fourth had identified and interviewed the defendant. His interview, he
lied about where he was when he first saw the
Lockman fire, claiming he was near the bottom of a
hiking trail. Geolocation data for the nine to one one
calls showed that he was standing above the fire and
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in clearing merely thirty feet from the blaze as it
rapidly grew.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So calling nine one one has told prosecutors where he
was because they can precisely locate where his call was made.
So he calls nine one one, wasn't able to get through.
He called several times.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He wasn't able to get through.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's not the same kind of nine one one problems
we talk about. Apparently it was a service issue on
his end. Ily okay, but by the time he was
able to connect with them, that ping still existed, and
so investigators were able to find that. They interviewed him
on January twenty fourth, and they say that we can't
tell you about his motive, we can't tell you about
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his statements, but what we can tell you is he
has made false statements. He later moved to Florida and
that's where he was arrested today. And the charges are
what specifically, it's basically starting the fire with that caused damage,
that caused injury, and that that is a possible sentence
of five to twenty years.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So will there be more? What about the twelve deaths? Yeah?
So I think you know the US attorney bill of sale.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We've talked to him a lot while he was in
the Assembly here and now he's acting US Attorney.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think you know that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
If there could be more charges brought, and maybe there
could be down the road, right, there would be Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, he's as tough as they come. I was happy
seeing him run the press conference today and he did
he live with his family here? Do we know anything
about his prison don't know a whole lot about his
personal life.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He lived in the Palisades was twenty nine working for
Uber and some time after being interviewed and being arrested today,
he moved to Florida and that's where he was to
appear in court today. That's where he was arrested today.
I managed Florida in Florida. Oh is that right? Absolutely?
So what we're expecting next is coming up in about
fifteen minutes, we will hear from Countwoman Tracy Parr and
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other people in Pacific Palisades who will react to this news. Today,
they're having a news conference coming up, so we're going
to cover that as well to get reaction from those folks.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So we're still no Karen Bash.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She is put out a statement applauding the federal agents
for arresting this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
She doesn't have a reaction in person. There's not going
to be.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know that she'll be I'm not yet, not yet,
but we may be able to talk to her because
you raise an interesting point. I know you've been critical
of the mayor and her position in this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Maybe the fire, the.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Fire department and all that we had a question answered today.
Possibly these are allegations. We now know the origin right
based on these allegation, right, but there are still questions.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So there's always a theory floating. They thought it was
a fireworks and it wasn't. They ruled that out explicit.
They thought it was a teenager's local teenage ruled that
run around on New Year's Eve. But it turns out
it's an old fashioned, crazy eyed artist.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And you still have to answer the questions are not
necessarily used specifically, but we as a community about the response,
the preventive measures that maybe could have been done.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
These are a lot of questions, but you know, we
got a lot of time still. But I want to
know why they wouldn't fully put out the fire, or
why when the winds were blowing and we got all
these crazy warnings. That wasn't the first place that a
crew went because they knew it could kick up again.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm working on getting some background on that as well.
All Right, well, I can't wait. Thank you, Mike, thank
you good reporting. Michael Monk's KFI News. And yeah, there's
a press conference coming up about one thirty or so,
and we will go to it Tracy Park, the councilwoman
on the West side, and others, and we'll see what
they have to say, and I'm not going to hold
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a vigil for Karen Bass to come out of her
her burrow anytime soon. We'll talk more about all those
other issues that we just discussed the moment ago.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Much to come.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're gonna spend a minute with Carl Demayo here, the
Republican assemblyman out of San Diego, head of Reform California,
and he is having rallies today all over southern California.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
In many places.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
This is to gather signatures to get the California Voter
id Act on the ballot, so we all would have
to show id before we vote. And also you can
go there and collect some materials for the campaign. No
on Prop fifty. That's Newsome's proposition to redraw the districts
and cut a lot of people out of the representation
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that they normally have.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Let's go to Carl Demayo. I don't know where you are.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Carl, Hey, John, thanks for having me on and thanks
for helping spread awareness that we are out in the
streets in front of stores this afternoon in southern California,
in the entire KFI listening area and you can get
the exact addresses and locations online at.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Voter id events dot org, voter id events dot org
or join Carl dot org and it's Carl to see
Joincarl dot org. We are in Temecula, Corona, San Bernardino, Escondido,
Mission Valley, Thousand Ohs, Santa Clarita, Torrents, Hunton Beach, Tustin,
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and Laguna and we have the voter ID petition that
you can sign, but more than that, I'd like you
to take some petitions home with you. So we do
have volunteer kits that you can pick up. And then finally,
we have no on prop fifty materials palm cards that
you can use to educate voters in the next four
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weeks of this special election. I need everybody to get
active in the next four weeks to save the process
of elections in California from manipulation by Gavin Newsom and
his cabal of corrupt politicians. I need your help. This
is not something you can set out. I need everyone
in the fight. You can't make it this afternoon to
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one of our locations in southern California, Join me at
one of many upcoming events in southern California at that
same website Joincarl dot org or voter id events dot org,
and we would be happy to see you at one
of those events to get your materials and get a signature.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, Carl, we'll talk with you again later. Thank you,
Thank you, sir, Carl DeMaio.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And now I want to do some continue to talk
about the fire here and then when the press conference
is ready, we'll go to that. Tracy park Is, I
think going to be the lead the West Side councilwoman
in LA along with other officials. I want to play
a few little clips from the press conference. US Attorney
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Bill of Saley let it this morning, and then the
others speaking as well, and I'm trying, I'm trying to
pick out the most important. The things that jumped to
my mind is if this is the fire from January first,
which this arsonist started, and then they suppressed it, but
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they didn't put it out. Let's Sandy explain what the
fire department did. Oh, I'm sorry, we want number nine.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
We're not going to get into the full fire response.
I'll just tell you the fire department did respond, and
they don't say.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They put out fires. They suppressed the fire.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So they used the best of their abilities at that
time to suppress it. Like we said, there was dense vegetation.
The fire went underground, and you know, I'm not a
fire expert, but there's only so much apparently, you can
do about that. So it did smolder there until a
week later in which the winds picked up and reignited.
So that's our understanding of it started.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Jonathan rendernecked, he's the twenty nine year old suspect. He's
the one who started the fire. So he starts the
fire and the fire department shows up. They don't completely
put it out, they suppress it, so it's smoldering. The
vegetation is thick. So first question is is this the
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kind of vegetation that should have been cleared out by
the state, the county, or the city. And if it wasn't,
who's responsible? What are their names? Are they still working? Secondly,
it burns, It still smolders underground. Well, it seems that
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would be very difficult to completely put out. But considering
the forecast was for extreme winds and extreme fire danger,
why didn't the fire commanders send a crew to be there?
On January seventh, since that would have been the most
likely place a fire would rekindle. Now, from what I understand,
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this is basic fire knowledge that an old fire in
thick vegetation with roots, stays hot, stays smoldering, can't get
rekindled if the atmosphere conditions are right, which they were.
But again, we had five days of warnings for this.
So who in the fire department whose name should have
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that day or the night before, said we're going to
have a crew monitor that. That's number one on the list.
Why wouldn't it be number one on the list. Seems logical,
doesn't it. I don't think you or I have to
be fire experts just to go with base and quagic.
You have a spot that's smoldering and you have potentially
one hundred mile an hour winds, Well, why was it
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the crew there who didn't send the crew? Secondly, and
this goes back to Karen Bass and why she's hiding
today is she was an Africa. Remember you're the mayor.
The night before, the day before you have an all
hands on a debt press conference, not press conference, excuse me,
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a meeting among your top officials Fire Department. Denise Keonez
at the DWP, and you asked the fire the fire
chief Kristen Crowley, Okay, are there any sensitive spots we
ought to.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Be aware of?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
If you're the mayor, your top number one, your top
responsibility is the safety of the citizens of Los Angeles
number one. So big wind coming, big fire, danger coming.
There was a fire in the Palisades just a week before.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Is it out? Was it suppressed? Do we have a
crew there?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that's basic questions that any leader that she
should have a basic understanding of this kind of fire science.
She wanted to be mayor she ran. If she doesn't know,
Kristin Crowley should explain it. Kristin Crowley should know, or
she shouldn't be the fire chief. Kristin Crowley on her
own should have sent a crew up there. But it
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was Karen Bass's responsibility to ask to make sure. That's
what you do when you're in charge. Hey, you sure
you got and whatever other potential dangers are out there.
Jennie Kinonias, are the Are the reservoirs full? No, they're
not full. How the bleep did that happen?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Deanie? That's what a real.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
An intelligent leader who has minimal capabilities would do.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
None of that was done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So this smoldering fire from a week before blew up again.
There was no fire crew there, and if there's a
good reason why they couldn't be there, I'd like to
know it. I don't get it. Is there reason that
BASSI didn't have a meeting the day before?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, she was in Africa? Oh second, there's a deputy mayor,
Brian Williams, who's in charge of public safety. He's a
deputy mayor that oversees the fire and police departments on
behalf of the mayor.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Was he there?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh that's right. He was not administrative leave for calling
it a bomb threat. That he pleaded guilty too. Wow,
So Karen Bass was in Africa, Brian Williams was in
detention for calling it a bomb threat. Kristen Crowley, I
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guess it was just out to lunch and didn't think
of it. Where's that investigation that this is just the beginning?
All right, We're gonna supposed to have Tracy Park Kman
and others with a press conference.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We'll switch to it immediately.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We are on every day from one until four o'clock.
After four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
John Cobelt Show on demand, that's the podcast same as
the radio show. Deborah can break in at any moment
and introduce the news conference that they're going to have
here in La Tracy Park. The West Side councilwoman is
going to be speaking at it, and maybe some others
and it'll be further information and reaction on the fire.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That could happen at any minute.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We had Michael Monkson who gave us a rundown of
this morning's press conference when Bill Asselle, the US Attorney
for the Central District of California, laid out the case
against Jonathan and I'm going to get his name right
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render necked r n d e r k n e Cht.
Jonathan Rindernick, twenty nine years old, was a resident of
Palisades but fled to Florida just to quickly recap. The
police were on to him early and they went to
FBI was and they went to investigate him and interviewed
him on January twenty fourth, seventeen days after the fire.
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And after that he fled to Florida, but he was
tracked down in Florida and he was arrested there. And
Michael was at the press conference today and I played
a clip in the last segment where is Sally said
the fire started January first on purpose. It was arsoned
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by Rinderkneckt. It was eight acres. Fire department showed up
and put it out. Well, no, they didn't put it out.
That's the problem. They suppressed it. And the court here
from Assale that we played is they don't put out fires.
They suppressed fires. Now red flag goes up with me.
It's like, well, why don't you put it out? Going
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through a New York Times story that just broke an
hour ago, it's online. It's as that firefighters spake takes
special care to douse a situation like this. They use
thermal imaging, or they keep crews on the site long
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after a fire is contained to find and extinguish the hotspots.
For example, the twenty twenty three fire in Mallee that
killed one hundred people came from the remnants of a
brush fire. The firefighters thought they had extinguished completely and
it was not. And this is the same situation. Investigators
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filed an acid David saying that while the firefighters suppressed
the January first fire and then return the next day
to make sure it is extinguished. Pieces of burning wood
had become buried during the firefight and were still hidden
within the root structure of dense vegetation, So they didn't
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put it out. But why didn't they check? Why didn't
there And I'm I'm going to lay this on management
right up to Kristin Crowley, the former police for a
fire chief. Why didn't the leaders say, especially since that
was January first the fire. By January second, we started
getting the wild warnings of wind and fire. Why didn't
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they go back up to that spot and it's bulldoze
all that vegetation. Here is a quote. This is very telling.
Patrick Butler is a former assistant chief of the LA
Fire Department. He has managed the response to many major
fires in LA before becoming the fire chief in Redondo Beach.
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His quote in the New York Times wildfires need to
be one hundred percent mopped up. That is fire service
language for digging out every route, going down to bare
mineral soil, and cutting a wide, secure perimeter around the burn.
That's what he said needs to be done. They didn't
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do that. Why who made the decision not to do that.
Why noticed nine months later. We don't know the names
of the people who decided not to put out the
fire completely, just suppress it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
This is more from Patrick Butler.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I've investigated several large wildfires, many of them over five
hundred acres that smoldered for weeks and later flared up again.
So this wasn't a fluke. This is how it works,
especially in dense vegetation. And again, the worst fire warnings
from the National Weather Service imaginable. We read them here
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repeatedly on KFI, probably every fifteen minutes. This went on
for several days the warning started coming out. I think
January second, Basque goes to Africa. I don't know what
Kristen Crowley was doing, the deputy mayor in charge of
the fire department. He was at home on leave for
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calling in a bomb threat. Who else should have been
in charge? Did anybody? I mean simple basic questions? Right,
what are the most vulnerable spots along the foothills here
in La City, between the Palisades going out to Hollywood
and beyond whatever La City terrain is. Where was the
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meeting which said, okay, what are the hotspots? Well, we
had a fire a week ago, did you completely put
it out?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Don't you go there so if it restarts, at least
you can put it out quickly. And look what happened.
Six thousand homes burned to the ground and twelve deaths
because Kristin Crowley didn't send a few guys up there,
and Karen Bass was in Africa so she couldn't hold
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the meeting and ask, hey, anything we should be aware of.
Isn't that what you do is the mayor? What's the
number one job? Protect the lives and the property of
the citizens. That's your job if you're mayor, if you're governor,
if you're president, that's your job number one. And nobody
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did it, and nobody has been called to account yet
on it still. I mean, if the La County investigation
of the Altadena fire is any indication, the after action
report is not going to hold anyone specifically responsible for
any specific action or lack of action. It'll be just
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a generic complaint about the system. And in the Outadena
fire case, it looks like the general complaint about the
system is the exact same complaint about the system that
followed the Woolsey fire in Malibu in La County, same
organizations involved.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That one got way out of control.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The emergency response stunk, going in OUTDA Diana stunk, thee
in the palisade stunk. And it's just the same problem.
And nobody says, hey, this person, these people were responsible,
here's what they should have done. And a lot of
this is common sense stuff said, don't go well, you know,
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things up and oh it was a perfect storm.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If I hear that phrase, I'm gonna start choking people.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh you know, second guest thing, it's Monday morning quarterback,
No basic job. Okay, there was a fire six days later,
there's potentially one hundred mile hour winds. You go back,
You sure you got it. That's thick, dense vegetation. Embers
can live in the vegetation. But I'm quoting from the
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assistant fire chief, former assistant fire chief of La Fire Department.
You trust him, you believe him. He studied these things.
More coming up and waiting on the Tracy Park press conference.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You can follow us the John coblt Radio on social
media and this morning, the acting the Acting US Attorney
Bill A. Saley held a press conference and he and
other law enforcement officials explained who they say started the fire,
and it's Jonathan rinder Neeckt, who is a palis Age
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resident who then fled to Florida. They were on to
him early, and it was an arson case. There was
no fireworks. That was not a true story, although it
floated around quite a bit. I was just reading to
you some excerpts for a New York Times story that
they just posted about how there were still embers in
the dense vegetation at the start of the fire. This
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guy started it because he got off on fires, just
a classic arsonist. He was listening to some French rap
song and the video for the rap song had a
lot of fire imagery. He created some check GPT artwork
of fire burning in a forest with people watching. So
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I think they've got the guy. I don't think there's
any doubt about it. But the question is why if
the fire happened on January first, the original one, why
didn't the fire department put it out completely? Why didn't
they have a crew there. Why didn't Karen Bass convene
a meeting to understand what the dangers were? Why wasn't
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their water in the reservoir, and most Palisades residents that's
all they want to know. I've got one quoted in
here in the original New York Times story, Terry Fahn
said that the arrest did not come his fury over
failures by elected leaders and state and local fire officials
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to prepare and respond. I'm angry that an individual would
be so depraved, but it doesn't take away my sense
of frustration and anger with the government. That the brush
in the area was overgrown, that firefighters did not truly
put out the earlier fire or monitor the area afterward,
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even if the strong winds kicked up.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
See, they're not fooling anybody.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
If they're a report doesn't address these things in excruciating detail,
nobody's buying it.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And firefighters.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Did not have adequate water because the reservoir was empty,
they're angry about that. In fact, I'm looking at some
of the comments to the story, and quite a few
of them are from the Palisades in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Here's a woman named Ilana.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She wrote, apparently there's a video connected to this article
in The Times. She says, Hi, there that video shows
my street and home burning down on the day of
the fire. LA Fire Department was there, but they didn't
have enough resources or water to stop it. One firefighter
told us they were waiting for quote the order to
start fighting the flames. The winds were not hurricane level
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strong where the fire was, but calm a few streets away.
The man did start the fire on January first, but
the city never fully put it out and it reignited
a week later. That's one of the residents. And here's Peter,
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also from the Palisades commenting, knowing that there was a
fire there, knowing there were winds high winds forecast, this
should have happened. Number one the mayor should not have
left town. Number two of the fire department shows a
truck to that location to be sure no rekindling happened.
Number three, LAPD should have been there to direct traffic
and help a smooth evacuation.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
The traffic lights were out. Number four.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
There should have been water in the Pali reservoir, which
was instead empty. Number five there should have been water
in the fire hydrants. And in capital letters, he writes
this did not have to happen. LA Fire Department, LA
Police Department, and the mayor were asleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So now that we.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Know who did it, and I hope they put this
guy away for a maximum sentence could be twenty years
the arsonist, and I hope they can somehow rig murder
charges against him and put him away for life or
a ship until Salvador to the max prison there. Now
everything should focus on the extreme failures of Karen Bass,
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Kristin Crowley, Genie Keinoniez and everybody in management underneath them
who contributed to this horror show. They should never be
let off on this. And I'd nice to see the
media wake up this morning for the press conference. But
are they going to go back in their boroughs for
the rest of the winter. How does Genie Keinonias still
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make seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Kristin
Crowley's going to be on a pension for the rest
of her life. Karen Bass is running for reelection. Boy,
this was an inferno, six thousand homes incinerated, twelve people
burned to death, and these three clowns are still earning
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taxpayer money and not even a public hearing on this.
Why isn't Sacramento the State Senate, the Assembly doing a
public hearing.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I don't get it. Oh, I forgot one party rule?
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We got Deborah mark Lyden the KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Hey,
you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You
can always hear the show live on KFI AM six
forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday,
and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
Caf I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
What a day already? Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're on from one until four o'clock and then after
four o'clock John Cobelt' show on demand, the podcast version
same as the radio show, and that I'll be posted
as soon as we're done here. The day started with
a press conference in downtown La Bill A. Saley, the
acting US Attorney, announcing they have a suspect arrested in
the Palisades fire and the whole story was not what
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anybody expected.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Michael Munks was there.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I was at this press conference and it was
a bit of information because we finally know, according to
these allegations, the origin of the Palisades fire. And what
is Dari say interesting. I'm trying not to be insensitive
because obviously the Palisades Fire was deadly and destructive, but
what we really learned today was the origin of a
much smaller fire called the Lachman Fire. This was a
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fire that started in the early minutes after midnight on
New Year's Day this year. A guy named Jonathan rinder
Necked allegedly was hanging up hanging out up in the
Palisades and started a fire. This fire grew, firefighters came
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suppressed it, but it was not fully out. And days later,
when the Santa Ana Wins blew in, that Lachman fire
gained so much strength and morphed into the Palisades fire.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So it continued to smolder for a week. That's what
we learned today, heat coming from it, and I all
the way down to the roots, the underground roots. This
thing was basically buried underground, is the way that it
was described today and the firefighters. One of the comments
that was made by the federal officials who were making
this announcement today was firefighters don't always put the fire out.
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Their goal is to suppress the fire, and that's what
they did. So by the time the Santa Ana Wins
blew in the next week, there was an enough left
there for just this devastating, massive firestorm to blossom.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
What's this guy's story.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
This guy's story is also intriguing. He was driving for
uber while living in the Palisades. I don't know exactly
where in the Palisades, but he was apparently living in
the Palisads. He's twenty nine years old, was driving for
Uber on New Year's Eve, had some passengers even he
was working that day. Federal investigators talked to those passengers
and they described this driver, Jonathan Rindernecked, as someone who
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was irritated, irritable, unpleasant, not happy, in a bad mood. Basically,
when he dropped off his last passenger, he pulls off
on the side of the road and walks up one
of the hills and he's watching a video that he
has watched a lot of times, according to prosecutors. They
say that he's watched the same music video hundreds of times,
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and this song's video includes imagery of fire. He also
expressed some interest in fire by asking chat GPT, one
of the artificial intelligence tools online, to create an image
for him. So the prompt he put in was basically
along the lines of show me a city on fire
with people running, and prosecutors showed this image today. It
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was nine different squares with the left side of each
square had massive fire burning forests and cities and trucks
and cars and people were fleeing. On the other side
of each square had greenery and peace and calm. So
that was an image that he had created. So they
suggest that he is somebody who had a bit of
an interest in this type of behavior. But on the
day New Year's Day, while he's sitting up by himself
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in the palisades and he had started this fire, he
called nine one one, and calling nine to one one
is going to play a role in the further prosecution.
Here is what Acting US Attorney Bill A. Saley said
about that.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Today, law enforcement got to work and by January twenty
fourth had identified and interviewed the defendant. His interview, he
lied about where he was when he first saw the
Lockman fire, claiming he was near the bottom of a
hiking trail. Geolocation data for the nine to one one
calls showed that he was standing above the fire and
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in clearing merely thirty feet from the blaze as it
rapidly grew.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So calling nine one one has told prosecutors where he
was because they can precisely locate where his call was made.
So he calls nine one one, wasn't able to get through.
He called several times.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He wasn't able to get through.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's not the same kind of nine one one problems
we talk about. Apparently it was a service issue on
his end. Ily okay, but by the time he was
able to connect with them, that ping still existed, and
so investigators were able to find that. They interviewed him
on January twenty fourth, and they say that we can't
tell you about his motive, we can't tell you about
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his statements, but what we can tell you is he
has made false statements. He later moved to Florida and
that's where he was arrested today. And the charges are
what specifically, it's basically starting the fire with that caused damage,
that caused injury, and that that is a possible sentence
of five to twenty years.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So will there be more? What about the twelve deaths? Yeah?
So I think you know the US attorney bill of sale.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We've talked to him a lot while he was in
the Assembly here and now he's acting US Attorney.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think you know that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
If there could be more charges brought, and maybe there
could be down the road, right, there would be Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, he's as tough as they come. I was happy
seeing him run the press conference today and he did
he live with his family here? Do we know anything
about his prison don't know a whole lot about his
personal life.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He lived in the Palisades was twenty nine working for
Uber and some time after being interviewed and being arrested today,
he moved to Florida and that's where he was to
appear in court today. That's where he was arrested today.
I managed Florida in Florida. Oh is that right? Absolutely?
So what we're expecting next is coming up in about
fifteen minutes, we will hear from Countwoman Tracy Parr and
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other people in Pacific Palisades who will react to this news. Today,
they're having a news conference coming up, so we're going
to cover that as well to get reaction from those folks.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So we're still no Karen Bash.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She is put out a statement applauding the federal agents
for arresting this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
She doesn't have a reaction in person. There's not going
to be.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know that she'll be I'm not yet, not yet,
but we may be able to talk to her because
you raise an interesting point. I know you've been critical
of the mayor and her position in this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Maybe the fire, the.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Fire department and all that we had a question answered today.
Possibly these are allegations. We now know the origin right
based on these allegation, right, but there are still questions.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So there's always a theory floating. They thought it was
a fireworks and it wasn't. They ruled that out explicit.
They thought it was a teenager's local teenage ruled that
run around on New Year's Eve. But it turns out
it's an old fashioned, crazy eyed artist.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And you still have to answer the questions are not
necessarily used specifically, but we as a community about the response,
the preventive measures that maybe could have been done.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
These are a lot of questions, but you know, we
got a lot of time still. But I want to
know why they wouldn't fully put out the fire, or
why when the winds were blowing and we got all
these crazy warnings. That wasn't the first place that a
crew went because they knew it could kick up again.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm working on getting some background on that as well.
All Right, well, I can't wait. Thank you, Mike, thank
you good reporting. Michael Monk's KFI News. And yeah, there's
a press conference coming up about one thirty or so,
and we will go to it Tracy Park, the councilwoman
on the West side, and others, and we'll see what
they have to say, and I'm not going to hold
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a vigil for Karen Bass to come out of her
her burrow anytime soon. We'll talk more about all those
other issues that we just discussed the moment ago.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Much to come.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're gonna spend a minute with Carl Demayo here, the
Republican assemblyman out of San Diego, head of Reform California,
and he is having rallies today all over southern California.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
In many places.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
This is to gather signatures to get the California Voter
id Act on the ballot, so we all would have
to show id before we vote. And also you can
go there and collect some materials for the campaign. No
on Prop fifty. That's Newsome's proposition to redraw the districts
and cut a lot of people out of the representation
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that they normally have.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Let's go to Carl Demayo. I don't know where you are.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Carl, Hey, John, thanks for having me on and thanks
for helping spread awareness that we are out in the
streets in front of stores this afternoon in southern California,
in the entire KFI listening area and you can get
the exact addresses and locations online at.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Voter id events dot org, voter id events dot org
or join Carl dot org and it's Carl to see
Joincarl dot org. We are in Temecula, Corona, San Bernardino, Escondido,
Mission Valley, Thousand Ohs, Santa Clarita, Torrents, Hunton Beach, Tustin,
(09:28):
and Laguna and we have the voter ID petition that
you can sign, but more than that, I'd like you
to take some petitions home with you. So we do
have volunteer kits that you can pick up. And then finally,
we have no on prop fifty materials palm cards that
you can use to educate voters in the next four
(09:49):
weeks of this special election. I need everybody to get
active in the next four weeks to save the process
of elections in California from manipulation by Gavin Newsom and
his cabal of corrupt politicians. I need your help. This
is not something you can set out. I need everyone
in the fight. You can't make it this afternoon to
(10:11):
one of our locations in southern California, Join me at
one of many upcoming events in southern California at that
same website Joincarl dot org or voter id events dot org,
and we would be happy to see you at one
of those events to get your materials and get a signature.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, Carl, we'll talk with you again later. Thank you,
Thank you, sir, Carl DeMaio.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And now I want to do some continue to talk
about the fire here and then when the press conference
is ready, we'll go to that. Tracy park Is, I
think going to be the lead the West Side councilwoman
in LA along with other officials. I want to play
a few little clips from the press conference. US Attorney
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Bill of Saley let it this morning, and then the
others speaking as well, and I'm trying, I'm trying to
pick out the most important. The things that jumped to
my mind is if this is the fire from January first,
which this arsonist started, and then they suppressed it, but
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they didn't put it out. Let's Sandy explain what the
fire department did. Oh, I'm sorry, we want number nine.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
We're not going to get into the full fire response.
I'll just tell you the fire department did respond, and
they don't say.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They put out fires. They suppressed the fire.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So they used the best of their abilities at that
time to suppress it. Like we said, there was dense vegetation.
The fire went underground, and you know, I'm not a
fire expert, but there's only so much apparently, you can
do about that. So it did smolder there until a
week later in which the winds picked up and reignited.
So that's our understanding of it started.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Jonathan rendernecked, he's the twenty nine year old suspect. He's
the one who started the fire. So he starts the
fire and the fire department shows up. They don't completely
put it out, they suppress it, so it's smoldering. The
vegetation is thick. So first question is is this the
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kind of vegetation that should have been cleared out by
the state, the county, or the city. And if it wasn't,
who's responsible? What are their names? Are they still working? Secondly,
it burns, It still smolders underground. Well, it seems that
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would be very difficult to completely put out. But considering
the forecast was for extreme winds and extreme fire danger,
why didn't the fire commanders send a crew to be there?
On January seventh, since that would have been the most
likely place a fire would rekindle. Now, from what I understand,
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this is basic fire knowledge that an old fire in
thick vegetation with roots, stays hot, stays smoldering, can't get
rekindled if the atmosphere conditions are right, which they were.
But again, we had five days of warnings for this.
So who in the fire department whose name should have
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that day or the night before, said we're going to
have a crew monitor that. That's number one on the list.
Why wouldn't it be number one on the list. Seems logical,
doesn't it. I don't think you or I have to
be fire experts just to go with base and quagic.
You have a spot that's smoldering and you have potentially
one hundred mile an hour winds, Well, why was it
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the crew there who didn't send the crew? Secondly, and
this goes back to Karen Bass and why she's hiding
today is she was an Africa. Remember you're the mayor.
The night before, the day before you have an all
hands on a debt press conference, not press conference, excuse me,
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a meeting among your top officials Fire Department. Denise Keonez
at the DWP, and you asked the fire the fire
chief Kristen Crowley, Okay, are there any sensitive spots we
ought to.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Be aware of?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
If you're the mayor, your top number one, your top
responsibility is the safety of the citizens of Los Angeles
number one. So big wind coming, big fire, danger coming.
There was a fire in the Palisades just a week before.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Is it out? Was it suppressed? Do we have a
crew there?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that's basic questions that any leader that she
should have a basic understanding of this kind of fire science.
She wanted to be mayor she ran. If she doesn't know,
Kristin Crowley should explain it. Kristin Crowley should know, or
she shouldn't be the fire chief. Kristin Crowley on her
own should have sent a crew up there. But it
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was Karen Bass's responsibility to ask to make sure. That's
what you do when you're in charge. Hey, you sure
you got and whatever other potential dangers are out there.
Jennie Kinonias, are the Are the reservoirs full? No, they're
not full. How the bleep did that happen?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Deanie? That's what a real.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
An intelligent leader who has minimal capabilities would do.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
None of that was done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So this smoldering fire from a week before blew up again.
There was no fire crew there, and if there's a
good reason why they couldn't be there, I'd like to
know it. I don't get it. Is there reason that
BASSI didn't have a meeting the day before?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, she was in Africa? Oh second, there's a deputy mayor,
Brian Williams, who's in charge of public safety. He's a
deputy mayor that oversees the fire and police departments on
behalf of the mayor.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Was he there?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh that's right. He was not administrative leave for calling
it a bomb threat. That he pleaded guilty too. Wow,
So Karen Bass was in Africa, Brian Williams was in
detention for calling it a bomb threat. Kristen Crowley, I
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guess it was just out to lunch and didn't think
of it. Where's that investigation that this is just the beginning?
All right, We're gonna supposed to have Tracy Park Kman
and others with a press conference.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We'll switch to it immediately.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We are on every day from one until four o'clock.
After four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
John Cobelt Show on demand, that's the podcast same as
the radio show. Deborah can break in at any moment
and introduce the news conference that they're going to have
here in La Tracy Park. The West Side councilwoman is
going to be speaking at it, and maybe some others
and it'll be further information and reaction on the fire.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That could happen at any minute.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We had Michael Monkson who gave us a rundown of
this morning's press conference when Bill Asselle, the US Attorney
for the Central District of California, laid out the case
against Jonathan and I'm going to get his name right
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render necked r n d e r k n e Cht.
Jonathan Rindernick, twenty nine years old, was a resident of
Palisades but fled to Florida just to quickly recap. The
police were on to him early and they went to
FBI was and they went to investigate him and interviewed
him on January twenty fourth, seventeen days after the fire.
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And after that he fled to Florida, but he was
tracked down in Florida and he was arrested there. And
Michael was at the press conference today and I played
a clip in the last segment where is Sally said
the fire started January first on purpose. It was arsoned
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by Rinderkneckt. It was eight acres. Fire department showed up
and put it out. Well, no, they didn't put it out.
That's the problem. They suppressed it. And the court here
from Assale that we played is they don't put out fires.
They suppressed fires. Now red flag goes up with me.
It's like, well, why don't you put it out? Going
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through a New York Times story that just broke an
hour ago, it's online. It's as that firefighters spake takes
special care to douse a situation like this. They use
thermal imaging, or they keep crews on the site long
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after a fire is contained to find and extinguish the hotspots.
For example, the twenty twenty three fire in Mallee that
killed one hundred people came from the remnants of a
brush fire. The firefighters thought they had extinguished completely and
it was not. And this is the same situation. Investigators
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filed an acid David saying that while the firefighters suppressed
the January first fire and then return the next day
to make sure it is extinguished. Pieces of burning wood
had become buried during the firefight and were still hidden
within the root structure of dense vegetation, So they didn't
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put it out. But why didn't they check? Why didn't
there And I'm I'm going to lay this on management
right up to Kristin Crowley, the former police for a
fire chief. Why didn't the leaders say, especially since that
was January first the fire. By January second, we started
getting the wild warnings of wind and fire. Why didn't
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they go back up to that spot and it's bulldoze
all that vegetation. Here is a quote. This is very telling.
Patrick Butler is a former assistant chief of the LA
Fire Department. He has managed the response to many major
fires in LA before becoming the fire chief in Redondo Beach.
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His quote in the New York Times wildfires need to
be one hundred percent mopped up. That is fire service
language for digging out every route, going down to bare
mineral soil, and cutting a wide, secure perimeter around the burn.
That's what he said needs to be done. They didn't
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do that. Why who made the decision not to do that.
Why noticed nine months later. We don't know the names
of the people who decided not to put out the
fire completely, just suppress it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
This is more from Patrick Butler.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I've investigated several large wildfires, many of them over five
hundred acres that smoldered for weeks and later flared up again.
So this wasn't a fluke. This is how it works,
especially in dense vegetation. And again, the worst fire warnings
from the National Weather Service imaginable. We read them here
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repeatedly on KFI, probably every fifteen minutes. This went on
for several days the warning started coming out. I think
January second, Basque goes to Africa. I don't know what
Kristen Crowley was doing, the deputy mayor in charge of
the fire department. He was at home on leave for
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calling in a bomb threat. Who else should have been
in charge? Did anybody? I mean simple basic questions? Right,
what are the most vulnerable spots along the foothills here
in La City, between the Palisades going out to Hollywood
and beyond whatever La City terrain is. Where was the
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meeting which said, okay, what are the hotspots? Well, we
had a fire a week ago, did you completely put
it out?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Don't you go there so if it restarts, at least
you can put it out quickly. And look what happened.
Six thousand homes burned to the ground and twelve deaths
because Kristin Crowley didn't send a few guys up there,
and Karen Bass was in Africa so she couldn't hold
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the meeting and ask, hey, anything we should be aware of.
Isn't that what you do is the mayor? What's the
number one job? Protect the lives and the property of
the citizens. That's your job if you're mayor, if you're governor,
if you're president, that's your job number one. And nobody
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did it, and nobody has been called to account yet
on it still. I mean, if the La County investigation
of the Altadena fire is any indication, the after action
report is not going to hold anyone specifically responsible for
any specific action or lack of action. It'll be just
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a generic complaint about the system. And in the Outadena
fire case, it looks like the general complaint about the
system is the exact same complaint about the system that
followed the Woolsey fire in Malibu in La County, same
organizations involved.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That one got way out of control.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The emergency response stunk, going in OUTDA Diana stunk, thee
in the palisade stunk. And it's just the same problem.
And nobody says, hey, this person, these people were responsible,
here's what they should have done. And a lot of
this is common sense stuff said, don't go well, you know,
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things up and oh it was a perfect storm.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If I hear that phrase, I'm gonna start choking people.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh you know, second guest thing, it's Monday morning quarterback,
No basic job. Okay, there was a fire six days later,
there's potentially one hundred mile hour winds. You go back,
You sure you got it. That's thick, dense vegetation. Embers
can live in the vegetation. But I'm quoting from the
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assistant fire chief, former assistant fire chief of La Fire Department.
You trust him, you believe him. He studied these things.
More coming up and waiting on the Tracy Park press conference.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You can follow us the John coblt Radio on social
media and this morning, the acting the Acting US Attorney
Bill A. Saley held a press conference and he and
other law enforcement officials explained who they say started the fire,
and it's Jonathan rinder Neeckt, who is a palis Age
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resident who then fled to Florida. They were on to
him early, and it was an arson case. There was
no fireworks. That was not a true story, although it
floated around quite a bit. I was just reading to
you some excerpts for a New York Times story that
they just posted about how there were still embers in
the dense vegetation at the start of the fire. This
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guy started it because he got off on fires, just
a classic arsonist. He was listening to some French rap
song and the video for the rap song had a
lot of fire imagery. He created some check GPT artwork
of fire burning in a forest with people watching. So
(26:37):
I think they've got the guy. I don't think there's
any doubt about it. But the question is why if
the fire happened on January first, the original one, why
didn't the fire department put it out completely? Why didn't
they have a crew there. Why didn't Karen Bass convene
a meeting to understand what the dangers were? Why wasn't
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their water in the reservoir, and most Palisades residents that's
all they want to know. I've got one quoted in
here in the original New York Times story, Terry Fahn
said that the arrest did not come his fury over
failures by elected leaders and state and local fire officials
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to prepare and respond. I'm angry that an individual would
be so depraved, but it doesn't take away my sense
of frustration and anger with the government. That the brush
in the area was overgrown, that firefighters did not truly
put out the earlier fire or monitor the area afterward,
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even if the strong winds kicked up.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
See, they're not fooling anybody.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
If they're a report doesn't address these things in excruciating detail,
nobody's buying it.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And firefighters.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Did not have adequate water because the reservoir was empty,
they're angry about that. In fact, I'm looking at some
of the comments to the story, and quite a few
of them are from the Palisades in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Here's a woman named Ilana.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She wrote, apparently there's a video connected to this article
in The Times. She says, Hi, there that video shows
my street and home burning down on the day of
the fire. LA Fire Department was there, but they didn't
have enough resources or water to stop it. One firefighter
told us they were waiting for quote the order to
start fighting the flames. The winds were not hurricane level
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strong where the fire was, but calm a few streets away.
The man did start the fire on January first, but
the city never fully put it out and it reignited
a week later. That's one of the residents. And here's Peter,
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also from the Palisades commenting, knowing that there was a
fire there, knowing there were winds high winds forecast, this
should have happened. Number one the mayor should not have
left town. Number two of the fire department shows a
truck to that location to be sure no rekindling happened.
Number three, LAPD should have been there to direct traffic
and help a smooth evacuation.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
The traffic lights were out. Number four.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
There should have been water in the Pali reservoir, which
was instead empty. Number five there should have been water
in the fire hydrants. And in capital letters, he writes
this did not have to happen. LA Fire Department, LA
Police Department, and the mayor were asleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So now that we.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Know who did it, and I hope they put this
guy away for a maximum sentence could be twenty years
the arsonist, and I hope they can somehow rig murder
charges against him and put him away for life or
a ship until Salvador to the max prison there. Now
everything should focus on the extreme failures of Karen Bass,
(30:00):
Kristin Crowley, Genie Keinoniez and everybody in management underneath them
who contributed to this horror show. They should never be
let off on this. And I'd nice to see the
media wake up this morning for the press conference. But
are they going to go back in their boroughs for
the rest of the winter. How does Genie Keinonias still
(30:25):
make seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Kristin
Crowley's going to be on a pension for the rest
of her life. Karen Bass is running for reelection. Boy,
this was an inferno, six thousand homes incinerated, twelve people
burned to death, and these three clowns are still earning
(30:45):
taxpayer money and not even a public hearing on this.
Why isn't Sacramento the State Senate, the Assembly doing a
public hearing.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I don't get it. Oh, I forgot one party rule?
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
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