December 11, 2024 • 34 mins
Laura Ingle comes on the show to talk about Luigi Mangione and how there are now wanted posters for other healthcare executives popping up in New York City. More on Luigi Mangione. Luigi Mangione's lawyer believes there is no evidence against his client. Donald Trump Jr.'s ex-girlfriend is heading to Greece.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John
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radio show also on the iHeart app. Luigi Mengioni is
captured the whole nation's attention, and we're going to go
to Laura Engele from News Nation to tell us the latest. Laura,
(00:24):
I hear that there are hit lists and wanted posters
of people randomly posting this on the streets of New York, UH,
targeting other healthcare executives. What do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That's right? I mean, just when you think this story
couldn't get even crazier, that is what we're dealing with today.
And this comes, of course, after the arrest, after we
saw the suspect to go into court yelling and screaming,
and now we've got what sounds to be a positive
ID from the water.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Bottle, possibly the phone.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Some fingerprints or found in New York at the crime
scene reportedly do match that of this suspect in custody.
So as we're moving through kind of the nuts and
bolts of the criminal investigation here on the streets of
Manhattan where tensions we have been very high throughout you know,
we had this assassination in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I know that you know this area. It's over by.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Rockefeller Center, Radio sitting music Hall. It's a very well
populated area that is, you know, the scene of the
crime from a week ago. But now throughout New York
there are these wanted posters that have popped up with
other CEOs of other healthcare of agencies and saying, you know,
(01:40):
it's basically looks like a hit list, And there is
one with Brian Thompson, the man who's murdered, the United
Healthcare CEO, with his picture on a wanted poster.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
With a big red X over it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like complete and so that has really been unnerving the
NYPD looking into it.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We've made several calls.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We're trying to find out if there's any cameras that
may have picked up somebody putting these posters up on
these you know, light poles essentially at the crosswalks where
we've seen a couple of images of other CEOs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But it's really unnerving, John.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
They haven't indicated whether Luigi MANGIONI was connected to any
activist group because I wonder if these are trolls putting
up these posters, or there's really a subversive group out
there and this is their cause.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, it's a great question, and it was something that
we looked into. We've all been talking about it ever
since we saw him the images before the murder of
Thompson where he looks like he's talking on the phone
to somebody, Right, was that a ruse? Was he pretending
that he was talking to somebody on a cell phone
or was he really talking to somebody? And if you
really want to go down the hole, A lot of
people have said, I don't know, is that guy in
(02:48):
the Starbucks with the mask on just before the murder
the same guy that we see at the hostel on
the Upper West Side with his mask down smiling, same
guy in the cab where it's a really clear picture.
Many people believe it is the same person. Others have
questions about it, and you're right this, you know, with
this quote manifesto that was found with him, and along
(03:10):
with the ghost gun that is the alleged weapon, many
people are wondering is he part of something bigger? Was
or is this something with this a break because you
know his mother had fold the missing person's report just
before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He'd really fallen off the grid.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Friend's family couldn't find him, couldn't locate him, didn't show
up for Thanksgiving, really concerned about him, out of character,
and then we have this happened. But what's really Don't
you find it interesting John, that like the whole world
felt like they were looking for this suspect, and everybody
even down to the customer and the McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania,
that noticed the bushy eyebrows. Nobody that knew. Nobody knew
(03:48):
the suspect. Luigi came forward that said, you know, those
eyebrows look familiar. I actually thought with that picture of
him at the smiling at the late that work behind
the counter at the youth hostel, I said, you know,
it's going to end up happening. It's going to be
a dentist because those teeth are really great. But you know,
as it turns out, all company.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I did know that if you know, if that was
my brother, I would have recognized him like with or
without the mask, certainly without. And there was absolute silence
from imagine the hundreds thousands of people that he knew
in Baltimore, coming from a prominent family. Then he goes
to the University of Pennsylvania, he's in San Francisco, he's
here in Santa Monica, he's in Honolulu, and all those
(04:30):
thousands of people, nobody recognized that face. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, it's a huge question right now. And obviously we've
got the one statement coming from his family saying, you
know that they're not going to comment right now. Their
hearts are broken. They're trying to process what has just occurred.
But didn't you also find it interesting the picture of
him and the McDonald's with his hat, his little beanie
seemed to be pulled down actually over those telltale bushy eyebrows.
(05:00):
So you know, it's a kudos to the person who
tipped off the McDonald's employee who called nine one one.
And now there's this whole thing about who's going to
get the reward, will it be split. There's a process
of how this is going to work. But we'll see
what happens next. But right now he's fighting extradition. We
thought I was prepared to go down to the precinct
(05:21):
here in midtown Manhattan, but this week thinking that he
was going to be transferred from Pennsylvania. But no, that's
not how it's going to go down. We've got him
fighting extradition. We've been told that that process could take
up to thirty days. So we're going to go into
most likely we're going to go into the new year
until we see him back here in Manhattan answering to
the very serious charges of murder and those gun charges
(05:44):
as well. So we're just waiting. But honestly, with this,
this has been such a fast moving story. I feel
like every day, every hour.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We're learning something new.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And then of course you've got all the people on
social media, people that have been, know, cheering on what happened,
which is horrible. Now you've got people that are, you know,
taking mockups of Vogue magazine putting them.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
On the cover.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Remember that doesn't sound familiarly like the Boston bombers. Where
they where they're where they're taking some of the images
that we've seen and making mock up t shirts and
magazine covers.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And it's just crazy. It's just wild.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just absolutely wild how this is transpired.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It just just makes you think, what's going to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As soon as I saw his looks, I knew he
was going to be a mattin a idol. He's probably
getting hundreds of the marriage proposals right now because anyone,
I mean the minute. His brothers have three wives between them.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That's that's true.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And Scott Peterson has a huge fan base if he
gets buckets of mail still to this day in I
own California at Mill Creek State Prison as we round.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That anniversary here in December.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But we do have, yeah, we do have the reports
that there are many people who, you know, what did
they call him? Like a haughty assassin, and it's just
it's you know, the names are just going on and on.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Every nice guy who can never get a date is going,
what do I have to do?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Right? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's right, It's just really weird, weird culture.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It is a really weird culture. We continue to watch it.
And now we've got the recovery of the notebook that
has now you know, gone through kind of this, the
manifesto that has singled out what he was looking to do,
and who knows if the back injury, his previous back
injury has something to do with it, because people have
made the point John, you know, this isn't somebody who
(07:36):
was Maybe he was denied a claim. We don't know
that private health information. But even if he was, let's
just say he was denied coverage of his back surgery
or treatment afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He came from a really wealthy family.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I don't think the family who had have any problem
covering all his bills, So I don't know how that
could be a personal point of anger there that that,
you know, the church company screwed him over, made him
paid a bill. There was no problem paying bills in
that family, and he wasn't estranged from the family. He
cut off contact with the whole world. But I haven't
(08:08):
read that anybody in the family was upset with him.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
No, we haven't heard that at all. The New York
Times reporting that it was actually six months ago that
he stopped communicating with his friends and.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
His family, and we had heard that he was maybe.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Even supposed to be in a wedding, But it was
his mom who filed the missing person's report just last
month and they were actively looking for him.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So I still that's the story.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's you know, another angle of the story that I
want to hear more on is just what happened with
the family who had been looking for him, who filed.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
The missing person's report.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Every person in the country knew about the story, it seemed.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yes, it's going to go on a while. We haven't
had one like this in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We're going to have him back here. We'll have them
back here boots on the ground in New York City
in a matter of weeks, and we'll be there to
cover that and.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We'll walk how that goes.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
All right, Well, we'll definitely talk to you then, all right, John,
all right, Laura, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
All right. Lori Engel from News Nation on the Luigi
Mangione case killing the United Healthcare executive Brian Thompson. We
got more coming up, John Cobelt Show, kf I AM
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on Friday. Let's continue about Luigi Mangon. We just had
(09:41):
Lori angele On, and you know, when Laura was with
KFI years ago, we had an amazing run of trials.
I remember the first thing she covered was Robert Blake's murder,
not the trial, but the actual murder case when that
story broke, and then Scott Peterson trial, the Michael Jackson
(10:02):
molestation trial, the San Diego Westerfield, David Westerfield, Danielle van
Dam that little girl that he kills. Said. She's great
at covering trials, and she's gone on too quite a
career at Fox News in our news nation, covering a
lot of true crime. And so this is the first
(10:22):
case we've had in a while that really has grabbed
everyone's attention. I don't think there's anybody I have talked
to in my life that hasn't started talking about Luigi
Mangion or before they caught him, Who did it and
why did he do it? And you can come at
it from several different ways. Obviously he did it and
(10:43):
he should get the death penalty, but I don't think
they have it in New York, so he'll get some
kind of sentence, you know how they do it. It's
like twenty years to life or twenty five to life.
I don't know if there's even life without parole anymore,
because New York is like cal Affordia. Uh, even even
the sentences that are life without parole turn out not
(11:05):
to be life without parole. But any event, he ought
to get the harshest sentence that New York still has
in the books. So having said that and that there's
no excuse for it, I still wonder why, Like what
goes on in people's heads. All my life, I've been
fascinated by mental illness. I don't know why.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Well, we could talk about that another time.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, yes, you and and the psychiatrist, we
could all sit down. But no, when people's brains go badly,
especially you know, some people are born with bad brains,
that's not so interesting. You get bad seeds. But the
ones who live in normal life and then suddenly who
they're off the off the rails. And that's where Luigi
(11:49):
Mangione has gone completely off the rails, and he's killed
a guy. Now what what I'm what I'm wondering is
even if he was denied a claim for his back surgery.
He comes from this very wealthy family in Baltimore. The
wealth has been built up for you know, since since
(12:10):
the middle part of the nineteen hundreds with the grandfather.
There's plenty of money here. He turned twenty six, so
at twenty six, you're no longer under the family insurance.
You're on your own. But I'm sure he had good
insurance and even if for some reason the surgery was rejected,
the family would cover it. It's not like I feel
(12:33):
for these people who suffer devastating illnesses and they really
have zero way to pay for their treatment, and often
they don't get it, like if one of those people
went off, Right, if I saw a guy go off
because he's got a sick, dying child and the insurance
is canceling, you still can't go around killing insurance agents.
(12:54):
But I don't know what this guy's beef with life was.
He could not have been handed a bit at our life. Now.
Maybe his path the last few years has been disappointing.
I'm trying to figure out he You know, I actually
did his master's and his bachelor's degree in four years
at penn at Ivy League.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And that is not an easy school to get into.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No, and it's not an easy school to perform at.
And so he does that and he ends up out
here in Santa Monica working as a software engineer for
an online used car sales company. Doesn't that seem like
an odd job choice?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Well, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I was like, why, basically, you're you're coming up with
a with a more efficient way to sell used cars.
I'm not really well, I guess I am casting dispersions
on that. I go, it just seems with the set
of degrees he walked out of an Ivy League university with,
it was just a strange place to end up. And
I guess he wasn't satisfied with it, because then he
(13:54):
goes off to Hawaii for no job at all.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Well, it's Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well I get that. He went to California. He went
to Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
He likes the warm weather, and he.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Apparently was born with this I'm probably not gonna I'm
not gonna say this word right, spondylosis. It's it's a
back condition where your vertebrae is out of alignment and
can press on a nerve and you can have a
lot of pain and a lot of numbness and it's terrible,
and he put off getting back surgery. You know, it's
(14:29):
called spun spondelo spondylisis spondylulis thesis. God bless you. Yeah,
that's just way too many letters in which a vertebrae
slips out of place. He's either born that way right
an injured. So he gets the surgery and the surgery
was successful. Okay, So that's the that's the x rays
(14:50):
that you see on his social media. And I saw
him walking yesterday and freaking out in the in the
outside the courtroom and he's pound on the walls and
he's wrestling with cops. Doesn't look like a guy who's
hurting from a back injury.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And let me ask you this. I was wondering.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
So he's freaking out, So is he doing that so
we can get an insanity plea or is he really?
Was he really freaking out?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Was it a performance? Right? It seems like he's desperate
to be a hero for the little man who's getting screwed,
and he wants to show that he's fighting for us.
All you know, he's killed the health insurance executive and
he's not going to go down easy, all right, He's
(15:33):
going to kick and scream all the way because he's
not given into the man.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know, there's an online fundraiser going on. I think
as of this morning for him, it raised thirty thousand.
The goals two hundred thousand. I'm sure it's more than
thirty thousand, now.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, and that's made up of a lot of contributions.
I mean, I understand people angry and frustrated with the
health insurance system, and probably the entire system needs to
be bulldozed. But you got the whole system is based
is based on greed, and the whole it's allowed to
exist in its form because of all the bribery that
(16:12):
goes on in Washington, d C. Everybody in Washington who's
in office gets bribed one way or the other with
campaign contributions to keep the status quo.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
But you can't go around just killing people.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, That's why I wonder if that's the whole story.
I mean that that's certainly a trigger. It's given him
a justification, it's given him a reason to be right,
it's given him a cause. It's it's more important in
his mind than working on software for a used car company.
You see. Now, because there was this one probably yea
(16:48):
take a break here, but he all right, here's the
clue here. January twenty fourth, he posted a thread online
saying he used to get bummed in math class when
learning theorems mathematical theorims.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, I don't blame it for that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, you have something in common.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Oh maybe one thing.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You weren't a great mathematician.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
What do you think, John?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So here's what he wrote. All the low hanging fruit
has been solved before I was born. If I was
alive at the time of Pythagoras, I could have easily
derived the Pythagorean theorem and etched my place in history.
Now was that a joke he's being or is it
really had this grandiose idea. It's like, I want to
(17:37):
be a historical figure, okay, but I want to do
something nobody else has done.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Now, allegedly he committed this murder, right, he hasn't been convicted,
but you really want to go down in history for that?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
If it ended up changing the healthcare industry because everyone
in the industry where they were all afraid of dying,
of getting shot, so they decided to make concrete changes
in the way they do their business.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
There has to be another way in my opinion, Well,
I mean, I do I think it sucks. I do
I think the healthcare system sucks. And I am not
a fan of insurance companies for lots of different reasons.
But there has to be a better way than what
he allegedly did.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, but he decided that this is the quickest route
to infamy. And he's not much different than school shooters.
They all want to be known, they all want to
have a place in history, they all want to be
the subject of a public debate and lead story.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Well, right, and there's usually some kind of mental illness involved.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah, with those people.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
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we were talking about Luigi Mangione and why why did
(20:02):
he Why did he turn into a murderer? One thing
I want to play before I forget is this attorney
at the moment doesn't think there's any evidence that he
committed a murder. I'm not making this up. He actually
said that we play cut number one. This is Thomas Dickey.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
My client hasn't faced any actual criminal charges from New
York yet, so he hasn't had an opportunity to make
any plea. I My anticipation is going to be when
and if that happens, he's going to plead, not guilty.
I mean, we've seen no evidence.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
We've seen nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
And I was reminding people today about you talk about
America a little bit and what wonderful some wonderful things
about this country and particularly in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And that's the presumption of innocence.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And I don't want people.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
To jump to, you know, these prejudgment things, because nobody
would ever want that if they were accused or one
of their loved ones were accused and has the big
hearing today. I haven't seen any evidence yet. I don't
even know if this is him or whatever. So we're
going to test those waters and give the government a
chance to bring some evidence for.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Uh. Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence. This is why
everyone hates lawyers. Everybody hates defense lawyers because they lie.
Like hell, i've seen Eddie evidence. Well, we don't know
if that's him in the photo.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Well he has to say all that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, he doesn't, he does, He could tell the truth.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
He's a defense attorney, probably getting a lot of money
from the family.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Could be a professional liar, that's what defense attorneys are. Well,
we'll look at Mangion's own notes. He wrote, what could
be better than to kill the CEO at his own
bean counting conference. He also wrote that a shooting would
(21:59):
be or targeted, a bomb could kill innocence. He's got
a sense of morality at least. He described health insurance
companies as being parasitic, and he expressed disdain for corporate
greed and power. He's correct on this next one. The
US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world,
(22:20):
and the profits of major corporations rise while a life
expectancy does not. Yeah, we have what we among developing countries.
We have a really bad health outcome score and it
is the most expensive. He wrote to the FEDS. I'll
keep this short because I do respect what you do
for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I
(22:42):
state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. So anyway,
maybe Thomas Dickey ought to read his client's own notes.
He's looking for some evidence. Idiot, and this lame cliche.
It's like, well, you wouldn't want to be prejudged if
it was your you or your family. It's like, would
(23:03):
you stop it. I'm not going out murdering anybody, and
I haven't murdered anybody. And if I did murder somebody
and it was this obvious. I'd expect everyone to prejudge me,
and they would be correct to prejudge me. Tired of
these these these weird protocols, you know, all my life,
I've got to listen to defense Attorney's like, oh, you
(23:23):
wouldn't want to be judged. It's there's a good story
in uh Wall Street Journal about his life and some
of the stuff he's done, It says as a teenager,
Mengione appeared to be a prodigious talent. A prodigious talent
(23:45):
from established Baltimore family. He designed a mobile game app
in high school, founded a video video game programming club
at Penn, completed his bachelor's and master's degrees in computer
science in four years, although it's senior year was interrupted
by that stupid COVID lockdown bud. He belonged to a fraternity,
(24:07):
seemed he had a busy social life. He used to
fly out to Cabo San Lucas in Mexico, and when
his name was called during the online graduation ceremony, a
picture of him smiling flashed on the screen with a
message for his parents. I don't tell you nearly enough
(24:31):
how grateful I am for all you do for me.
Thank you for all the sacrifices and the lessons you've
taught me. Then he went to be a data engineer
with True Car here in Santa Monica. It spent about
a year there, moving up methodically through the ranks. He
was rebuilding a data pipeline for used car Loans and
(24:55):
then suddenly in January of twenty twenty two, he chucked
it all, went to Hawaii, ended up at a place
called surf Break, a surfers collective upscale. So these were
rich kids who wanted to go surfing. He's not working,
although some are working at remotely at jobs. But I
(25:18):
haven't seen any evidence that he was paid two thousand
and a month in rent.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
He uh eventually went surfing, and I think on the
first round of surfing he wrecked his back and that
led to the surgery because in the photos down there
he's seen shirtless printing, he's got a six pack chiseled biceps.
(25:50):
Then I guess he got hurt surfing and that that
and he already had that pre existing condition. Maybe they
didn't cover the insurance because he had a pre existing condition.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't know, Like you said, he comes from such
a wealthy family.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, I know, so I'm thinking I'm thinking some kind
of psychotic break here.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Maybe the meds that he took for the back pain.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah. It almost reminds me of the weird guys who
are in their in their room alone and they end
up be getting radicalized and they join Isis. It just
seems to be like a similar trajectory. He decided to
be a one man retribution army against the healthcare industry,
and isis is you know, similar in it's like the
(26:30):
ultimate rebellious act. To make your life important, to have
have a purpose, to have a goal. I see human
human beings. Most most of us are stereotypes, and most
of us follow predictable paths. And even the ones who
are complete outliers and take a strange path in life,
(26:52):
like mangeone, A lot of people have gone down that path,
maybe a very tiny percentage of the overall population. But
all these guys seen, you know, they often have the
same story. They usually aren't guys who grew up poor.
They tend to come from wealth and somewhere along the line,
(27:12):
I don't know if this is rebellion against their family
and what the family represents. I mean, The family's actually
sort of in the healthcare industry, and they grandfather founded
a chain of nursing homes. In fact, they had to
pay a fifty five thousand dollars fine or reimbursement because somebody,
an employee, had committed some kind of fraud in his
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grandfather's nursing home chain, and so they had to pay
back Medicare fifty five grand That was like the only
dirty thing that they found looking through the records. So
I don't know why everybody wants to now turn him
into a hero, which I'm sure he's very pleased by.
(27:59):
If he has access to the internet, he probably will
find many pages glorifying what he's done. And this is
usually the act of angry, frustrated people who can't change
the world quickly enough, And like Toddler's, this is very
much like a Toddler temper tantrum. If you give a
toddler a gun, what would he do? He'd probably start
(28:19):
shooting you if he didn't get his ice cream treat
on time. And that's what this is. It's a Toddler's
reaction to not being able to control the world, not
to change the world fast enough, or coming.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Up you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
A six forty.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Coming up after two o'clock. My councilwoman, Tracy Park, she's
the councilwoman for the eleventh district from the West side
of LA And I saw the greatest photo of her,
Nathan Hakman and the new Chief of Police, Jim McDonnell,
announcing that they're going to be spending hundreds of thousands
of dollars to fight crime and make the West Side
(28:58):
of La safer. And I'm looking at that picture, it's like, Wow,
you know that used to be George Gascone and Mike
Bonnen and police chief is Michael Moore, and it's like,
this is a whole new attitude, a whole new group
to bring to make life normal again, to make it
good again. So I'm gonna talk to Tracy Park about
(29:20):
what they're going to do, and she is, she is
the template for it. Now, every council person ought to
treat their district. Everybody in Los Angeles deserves a councilperson
who's going to do with what Tracy is doing for
the West Side. Uh. So She'll be on we have
(29:41):
we have Sad News. Gavin Newsom's former wife is now
Donald Trump Junior's former girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
She's getting something out of the relationship.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah yeah, Donald Trump Junior broke up with Kimberly Guilfoyle.
She's He's now running around with this socialite woman, a
tall blonde uh named Bettina Palm Beach, socialite, very rich,
and Kimberly is left by herself. So Dad is exiling
her to Greece. This is what happens in the Trump
(30:17):
family when you don't work out.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
But there's worse places to be.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
There are if you have to live in exile. Greece
is a good place to go. But probably she would
rather be a part of the Trump family. Is Trump
takes over again at the White House.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Missus Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, well they were, they were engaged. She was supposed
to she was supposed to marry Donald Trump Junior. And uh,
you know a lot of people think Donald Trump Junior
is going to run for president someday, turn it into
a family dynasty. So she's looking at first lady status.
She must be pissed, exactly. And now she's in Greece,
(31:00):
used by a woman who's at at least fifteen years
younger too.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Of course, that's how you guys roll.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
She was older than Trump Junior. He's forty six. I
believe she's fifty four, but the new woman's thirty eight.
Of course she is fifty five. Look at that she
got older.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Well, we all age a birthdays.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Kimberly is aging rapidly. She aged the year in the
last five minutes. And she was seeing that she was
Gavin Newsom. And I know she wanted to be first
Lady because you remember that photo of her and Gavin
where the headline was something about Camelot and they were
dressed like John and Jackie Kennedy, and she used to
(31:50):
wear her hair that way. And these photos that ran
in a Vanity Fair magazine, I think, no, not Vanity Fair, No,
I mean something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they got they they sprawled out on this expensive
carpeting at the at one of the Getty homes, one
of one of one of the wealthy Gettys gave over
their living room so that Gavin and Kimberly can do
their phone New York magazine. It was a New York magazine.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I think that's where it is.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I just I remember seeing it some years ago,
and Gavin looks ridiculous. I mean, he was so blatantly
trying to imitate the Kennedys, and I think Robert Kennedy
is one of his heroes.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Oh sorry, Harper's Bizarre.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Harper's Bizarre, that's it. One of those magazines used to
be really popular about, you know, fifty sixty years ago.
Uh so that's that's when. That's when she fantasized that
Gavin was going to run for president. I'm sure that's
what he talked about all the time. He's probably talked
about that since he was eight. Things didn't work out
with Gavin, so she moved into a presidential family. Maybe
(33:00):
Don Junior is going to continue the dynasty. But now
she's out there, and so now she's in Greece all
by yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
She'll find somebody there.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Maybe she could find Aristotle on Nassas's grant. There you go,
you kind of complete the whole circle. Are we come back.
We're going to talk to Tracy Park on the new
public safety measures that she and the district attorney and
the LA Police Chief are taking to get the crime
out of the West Side. And why isn't every council person,
(33:36):
why isn't every politician in the state doing this for
their town, for their county. Why the La County Supervisors,
why aren't they doing this stuff? Stop coddling the criminals,
the homeless in the legal aliens. Tho seemed to be
the only constituency that most politicians in California cater to.
(33:56):
We'll talk next Deborah Mark live in the KFI twenty
four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John
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radio show also on the iHeart app. Luigi Mengioni is
captured the whole nation's attention, and we're going to go
to Laura Engele from News Nation to tell us the latest. Laura,
(00:24):
I hear that there are hit lists and wanted posters
of people randomly posting this on the streets of New York, UH,
targeting other healthcare executives. What do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That's right? I mean, just when you think this story
couldn't get even crazier, that is what we're dealing with today.
And this comes, of course, after the arrest, after we
saw the suspect to go into court yelling and screaming,
and now we've got what sounds to be a positive
ID from the water.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Bottle, possibly the phone.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Some fingerprints or found in New York at the crime
scene reportedly do match that of this suspect in custody.
So as we're moving through kind of the nuts and
bolts of the criminal investigation here on the streets of
Manhattan where tensions we have been very high throughout you know,
we had this assassination in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I know that you know this area. It's over by.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Rockefeller Center, Radio sitting music Hall. It's a very well
populated area that is, you know, the scene of the
crime from a week ago. But now throughout New York
there are these wanted posters that have popped up with
other CEOs of other healthcare of agencies and saying, you know,
(01:40):
it's basically looks like a hit list, And there is
one with Brian Thompson, the man who's murdered, the United
Healthcare CEO, with his picture on a wanted poster.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
With a big red X over it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like complete and so that has really been unnerving the
NYPD looking into it.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We've made several calls.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We're trying to find out if there's any cameras that
may have picked up somebody putting these posters up on
these you know, light poles essentially at the crosswalks where
we've seen a couple of images of other CEOs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But it's really unnerving, John.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
They haven't indicated whether Luigi MANGIONI was connected to any
activist group because I wonder if these are trolls putting
up these posters, or there's really a subversive group out
there and this is their cause.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, it's a great question, and it was something that
we looked into. We've all been talking about it ever
since we saw him the images before the murder of
Thompson where he looks like he's talking on the phone
to somebody, Right, was that a ruse? Was he pretending
that he was talking to somebody on a cell phone
or was he really talking to somebody? And if you
really want to go down the hole, A lot of
people have said, I don't know, is that guy in
(02:48):
the Starbucks with the mask on just before the murder
the same guy that we see at the hostel on
the Upper West Side with his mask down smiling, same
guy in the cab where it's a really clear picture.
Many people believe it is the same person. Others have
questions about it, and you're right this, you know, with
this quote manifesto that was found with him, and along
(03:10):
with the ghost gun that is the alleged weapon, many
people are wondering is he part of something bigger? Was
or is this something with this a break because you
know his mother had fold the missing person's report just
before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He'd really fallen off the grid.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Friend's family couldn't find him, couldn't locate him, didn't show
up for Thanksgiving, really concerned about him, out of character,
and then we have this happened. But what's really Don't
you find it interesting John, that like the whole world
felt like they were looking for this suspect, and everybody
even down to the customer and the McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania,
that noticed the bushy eyebrows. Nobody that knew. Nobody knew
(03:48):
the suspect. Luigi came forward that said, you know, those
eyebrows look familiar. I actually thought with that picture of
him at the smiling at the late that work behind
the counter at the youth hostel, I said, you know,
it's going to end up happening. It's going to be
a dentist because those teeth are really great. But you know,
as it turns out, all company.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I did know that if you know, if that was
my brother, I would have recognized him like with or
without the mask, certainly without. And there was absolute silence
from imagine the hundreds thousands of people that he knew
in Baltimore, coming from a prominent family. Then he goes
to the University of Pennsylvania, he's in San Francisco, he's
here in Santa Monica, he's in Honolulu, and all those
(04:30):
thousands of people, nobody recognized that face. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, it's a huge question right now. And obviously we've
got the one statement coming from his family saying, you
know that they're not going to comment right now. Their
hearts are broken. They're trying to process what has just occurred.
But didn't you also find it interesting the picture of
him and the McDonald's with his hat, his little beanie
seemed to be pulled down actually over those telltale bushy eyebrows.
(05:00):
So you know, it's a kudos to the person who
tipped off the McDonald's employee who called nine one one.
And now there's this whole thing about who's going to
get the reward, will it be split. There's a process
of how this is going to work. But we'll see
what happens next. But right now he's fighting extradition. We
thought I was prepared to go down to the precinct
(05:21):
here in midtown Manhattan, but this week thinking that he
was going to be transferred from Pennsylvania. But no, that's
not how it's going to go down. We've got him
fighting extradition. We've been told that that process could take
up to thirty days. So we're going to go into
most likely we're going to go into the new year
until we see him back here in Manhattan answering to
the very serious charges of murder and those gun charges
(05:44):
as well. So we're just waiting. But honestly, with this,
this has been such a fast moving story. I feel
like every day, every hour.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We're learning something new.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And then of course you've got all the people on
social media, people that have been, know, cheering on what happened,
which is horrible. Now you've got people that are, you know,
taking mockups of Vogue magazine putting them.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
On the cover.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Remember that doesn't sound familiarly like the Boston bombers. Where
they where they're where they're taking some of the images
that we've seen and making mock up t shirts and
magazine covers.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And it's just crazy. It's just wild.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just absolutely wild how this is transpired.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It just just makes you think, what's going to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As soon as I saw his looks, I knew he
was going to be a mattin a idol. He's probably
getting hundreds of the marriage proposals right now because anyone,
I mean the minute. His brothers have three wives between them.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That's that's true.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And Scott Peterson has a huge fan base if he
gets buckets of mail still to this day in I
own California at Mill Creek State Prison as we round.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That anniversary here in December.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But we do have, yeah, we do have the reports
that there are many people who, you know, what did
they call him? Like a haughty assassin, and it's just
it's you know, the names are just going on and on.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Every nice guy who can never get a date is going,
what do I have to do?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Right? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's right, It's just really weird, weird culture.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It is a really weird culture. We continue to watch it.
And now we've got the recovery of the notebook that
has now you know, gone through kind of this, the
manifesto that has singled out what he was looking to do,
and who knows if the back injury, his previous back
injury has something to do with it, because people have
made the point John, you know, this isn't somebody who
(07:36):
was Maybe he was denied a claim. We don't know
that private health information. But even if he was, let's
just say he was denied coverage of his back surgery
or treatment afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He came from a really wealthy family.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I don't think the family who had have any problem
covering all his bills, So I don't know how that
could be a personal point of anger there that that,
you know, the church company screwed him over, made him
paid a bill. There was no problem paying bills in
that family, and he wasn't estranged from the family. He
cut off contact with the whole world. But I haven't
(08:08):
read that anybody in the family was upset with him.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
No, we haven't heard that at all. The New York
Times reporting that it was actually six months ago that
he stopped communicating with his friends and.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
His family, and we had heard that he was maybe.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Even supposed to be in a wedding, But it was
his mom who filed the missing person's report just last
month and they were actively looking for him.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So I still that's the story.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's you know, another angle of the story that I
want to hear more on is just what happened with
the family who had been looking for him, who filed.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
The missing person's report.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Every person in the country knew about the story, it seemed.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yes, it's going to go on a while. We haven't
had one like this in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We're going to have him back here. We'll have them
back here boots on the ground in New York City
in a matter of weeks, and we'll be there to
cover that and.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We'll walk how that goes.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
All right, Well, we'll definitely talk to you then, all right, John,
all right, Laura, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
All right. Lori Engel from News Nation on the Luigi
Mangione case killing the United Healthcare executive Brian Thompson. We
got more coming up, John Cobelt Show, kf I AM
six forty.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
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Speaker 1 (09:20):
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on Friday. Let's continue about Luigi Mangon. We just had
(09:41):
Lori angele On, and you know, when Laura was with
KFI years ago, we had an amazing run of trials.
I remember the first thing she covered was Robert Blake's murder,
not the trial, but the actual murder case when that
story broke, and then Scott Peterson trial, the Michael Jackson
(10:02):
molestation trial, the San Diego Westerfield, David Westerfield, Danielle van
Dam that little girl that he kills. Said. She's great
at covering trials, and she's gone on too quite a
career at Fox News in our news nation, covering a
lot of true crime. And so this is the first
(10:22):
case we've had in a while that really has grabbed
everyone's attention. I don't think there's anybody I have talked
to in my life that hasn't started talking about Luigi
Mangion or before they caught him, Who did it and
why did he do it? And you can come at
it from several different ways. Obviously he did it and
(10:43):
he should get the death penalty, but I don't think
they have it in New York, so he'll get some
kind of sentence, you know how they do it. It's
like twenty years to life or twenty five to life.
I don't know if there's even life without parole anymore,
because New York is like cal Affordia. Uh, even even
the sentences that are life without parole turn out not
(11:05):
to be life without parole. But any event, he ought
to get the harshest sentence that New York still has
in the books. So having said that and that there's
no excuse for it, I still wonder why, Like what
goes on in people's heads. All my life, I've been
fascinated by mental illness. I don't know why.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Well, we could talk about that another time.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, yes, you and and the psychiatrist, we
could all sit down. But no, when people's brains go badly,
especially you know, some people are born with bad brains,
that's not so interesting. You get bad seeds. But the
ones who live in normal life and then suddenly who
they're off the off the rails. And that's where Luigi
(11:49):
Mangione has gone completely off the rails, and he's killed
a guy. Now what what I'm what I'm wondering is
even if he was denied a claim for his back surgery.
He comes from this very wealthy family in Baltimore. The
wealth has been built up for you know, since since
(12:10):
the middle part of the nineteen hundreds with the grandfather.
There's plenty of money here. He turned twenty six, so
at twenty six, you're no longer under the family insurance.
You're on your own. But I'm sure he had good
insurance and even if for some reason the surgery was rejected,
the family would cover it. It's not like I feel
(12:33):
for these people who suffer devastating illnesses and they really
have zero way to pay for their treatment, and often
they don't get it, like if one of those people
went off, Right, if I saw a guy go off
because he's got a sick, dying child and the insurance
is canceling, you still can't go around killing insurance agents.
(12:54):
But I don't know what this guy's beef with life was.
He could not have been handed a bit at our life. Now.
Maybe his path the last few years has been disappointing.
I'm trying to figure out he You know, I actually
did his master's and his bachelor's degree in four years
at penn at Ivy League.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And that is not an easy school to get into.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No, and it's not an easy school to perform at.
And so he does that and he ends up out
here in Santa Monica working as a software engineer for
an online used car sales company. Doesn't that seem like
an odd job choice?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Well, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I was like, why, basically, you're you're coming up with
a with a more efficient way to sell used cars.
I'm not really well, I guess I am casting dispersions
on that. I go, it just seems with the set
of degrees he walked out of an Ivy League university with,
it was just a strange place to end up. And
I guess he wasn't satisfied with it, because then he
(13:54):
goes off to Hawaii for no job at all.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Well, it's Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well I get that. He went to California. He went
to Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
He likes the warm weather, and he.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Apparently was born with this I'm probably not gonna I'm
not gonna say this word right, spondylosis. It's it's a
back condition where your vertebrae is out of alignment and
can press on a nerve and you can have a
lot of pain and a lot of numbness and it's terrible,
and he put off getting back surgery. You know, it's
(14:29):
called spun spondelo spondylisis spondylulis thesis. God bless you. Yeah,
that's just way too many letters in which a vertebrae
slips out of place. He's either born that way right
an injured. So he gets the surgery and the surgery
was successful. Okay, So that's the that's the x rays
(14:50):
that you see on his social media. And I saw
him walking yesterday and freaking out in the in the
outside the courtroom and he's pound on the walls and
he's wrestling with cops. Doesn't look like a guy who's
hurting from a back injury.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And let me ask you this. I was wondering.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
So he's freaking out, So is he doing that so
we can get an insanity plea or is he really?
Was he really freaking out?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Was it a performance? Right? It seems like he's desperate
to be a hero for the little man who's getting screwed,
and he wants to show that he's fighting for us.
All you know, he's killed the health insurance executive and
he's not going to go down easy, all right, He's
(15:33):
going to kick and scream all the way because he's
not given into the man.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know, there's an online fundraiser going on. I think
as of this morning for him, it raised thirty thousand.
The goals two hundred thousand. I'm sure it's more than
thirty thousand, now.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, and that's made up of a lot of contributions.
I mean, I understand people angry and frustrated with the
health insurance system, and probably the entire system needs to
be bulldozed. But you got the whole system is based
is based on greed, and the whole it's allowed to
exist in its form because of all the bribery that
(16:12):
goes on in Washington, d C. Everybody in Washington who's
in office gets bribed one way or the other with
campaign contributions to keep the status quo.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
But you can't go around just killing people.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, That's why I wonder if that's the whole story.
I mean that that's certainly a trigger. It's given him
a justification, it's given him a reason to be right,
it's given him a cause. It's it's more important in
his mind than working on software for a used car company.
You see. Now, because there was this one probably yea
(16:48):
take a break here, but he all right, here's the
clue here. January twenty fourth, he posted a thread online
saying he used to get bummed in math class when
learning theorems mathematical theorims.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, I don't blame it for that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, you have something in common.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Oh maybe one thing.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You weren't a great mathematician.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
What do you think, John?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So here's what he wrote. All the low hanging fruit
has been solved before I was born. If I was
alive at the time of Pythagoras, I could have easily
derived the Pythagorean theorem and etched my place in history.
Now was that a joke he's being or is it
really had this grandiose idea. It's like, I want to
(17:37):
be a historical figure, okay, but I want to do
something nobody else has done.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Now, allegedly he committed this murder, right, he hasn't been convicted,
but you really want to go down in history for that?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
If it ended up changing the healthcare industry because everyone
in the industry where they were all afraid of dying,
of getting shot, so they decided to make concrete changes
in the way they do their business.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
There has to be another way in my opinion, Well,
I mean, I do I think it sucks. I do
I think the healthcare system sucks. And I am not
a fan of insurance companies for lots of different reasons.
But there has to be a better way than what
he allegedly did.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, but he decided that this is the quickest route
to infamy. And he's not much different than school shooters.
They all want to be known, they all want to
have a place in history, they all want to be
the subject of a public debate and lead story.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Well, right, and there's usually some kind of mental illness involved.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah, with those people.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
All Right, we got to take a break.
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we were talking about Luigi Mangione and why why did
(20:02):
he Why did he turn into a murderer? One thing
I want to play before I forget is this attorney
at the moment doesn't think there's any evidence that he
committed a murder. I'm not making this up. He actually
said that we play cut number one. This is Thomas Dickey.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
My client hasn't faced any actual criminal charges from New
York yet, so he hasn't had an opportunity to make
any plea. I My anticipation is going to be when
and if that happens, he's going to plead, not guilty.
I mean, we've seen no evidence.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
We've seen nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
And I was reminding people today about you talk about
America a little bit and what wonderful some wonderful things
about this country and particularly in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And that's the presumption of innocence.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And I don't want people.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
To jump to, you know, these prejudgment things, because nobody
would ever want that if they were accused or one
of their loved ones were accused and has the big
hearing today. I haven't seen any evidence yet. I don't
even know if this is him or whatever. So we're
going to test those waters and give the government a
chance to bring some evidence for.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Uh. Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence. This is why
everyone hates lawyers. Everybody hates defense lawyers because they lie.
Like hell, i've seen Eddie evidence. Well, we don't know
if that's him in the photo.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Well he has to say all that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, he doesn't, he does, He could tell the truth.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
He's a defense attorney, probably getting a lot of money
from the family.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Could be a professional liar, that's what defense attorneys are. Well,
we'll look at Mangion's own notes. He wrote, what could
be better than to kill the CEO at his own
bean counting conference. He also wrote that a shooting would
(21:59):
be or targeted, a bomb could kill innocence. He's got
a sense of morality at least. He described health insurance
companies as being parasitic, and he expressed disdain for corporate
greed and power. He's correct on this next one. The
US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world,
(22:20):
and the profits of major corporations rise while a life
expectancy does not. Yeah, we have what we among developing countries.
We have a really bad health outcome score and it
is the most expensive. He wrote to the FEDS. I'll
keep this short because I do respect what you do
for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I
(22:42):
state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. So anyway,
maybe Thomas Dickey ought to read his client's own notes.
He's looking for some evidence. Idiot, and this lame cliche.
It's like, well, you wouldn't want to be prejudged if
it was your you or your family. It's like, would
(23:03):
you stop it. I'm not going out murdering anybody, and
I haven't murdered anybody. And if I did murder somebody
and it was this obvious. I'd expect everyone to prejudge me,
and they would be correct to prejudge me. Tired of
these these these weird protocols, you know, all my life,
I've got to listen to defense Attorney's like, oh, you
(23:23):
wouldn't want to be judged. It's there's a good story
in uh Wall Street Journal about his life and some
of the stuff he's done, It says as a teenager,
Mengione appeared to be a prodigious talent. A prodigious talent
(23:45):
from established Baltimore family. He designed a mobile game app
in high school, founded a video video game programming club
at Penn, completed his bachelor's and master's degrees in computer
science in four years, although it's senior year was interrupted
by that stupid COVID lockdown bud. He belonged to a fraternity,
(24:07):
seemed he had a busy social life. He used to
fly out to Cabo San Lucas in Mexico, and when
his name was called during the online graduation ceremony, a
picture of him smiling flashed on the screen with a
message for his parents. I don't tell you nearly enough
(24:31):
how grateful I am for all you do for me.
Thank you for all the sacrifices and the lessons you've
taught me. Then he went to be a data engineer
with True Car here in Santa Monica. It spent about
a year there, moving up methodically through the ranks. He
was rebuilding a data pipeline for used car Loans and
(24:55):
then suddenly in January of twenty twenty two, he chucked
it all, went to Hawaii, ended up at a place
called surf Break, a surfers collective upscale. So these were
rich kids who wanted to go surfing. He's not working,
although some are working at remotely at jobs. But I
(25:18):
haven't seen any evidence that he was paid two thousand
and a month in rent.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
He uh eventually went surfing, and I think on the
first round of surfing he wrecked his back and that
led to the surgery because in the photos down there
he's seen shirtless printing, he's got a six pack chiseled biceps.
(25:50):
Then I guess he got hurt surfing and that that
and he already had that pre existing condition. Maybe they
didn't cover the insurance because he had a pre existing condition.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't know, Like you said, he comes from such
a wealthy family.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, I know, so I'm thinking I'm thinking some kind
of psychotic break here.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Maybe the meds that he took for the back pain.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah. It almost reminds me of the weird guys who
are in their in their room alone and they end
up be getting radicalized and they join Isis. It just
seems to be like a similar trajectory. He decided to
be a one man retribution army against the healthcare industry,
and isis is you know, similar in it's like the
(26:30):
ultimate rebellious act. To make your life important, to have
have a purpose, to have a goal. I see human
human beings. Most most of us are stereotypes, and most
of us follow predictable paths. And even the ones who
are complete outliers and take a strange path in life,
(26:52):
like mangeone, A lot of people have gone down that path,
maybe a very tiny percentage of the overall population. But
all these guys seen, you know, they often have the
same story. They usually aren't guys who grew up poor.
They tend to come from wealth and somewhere along the line,
(27:12):
I don't know if this is rebellion against their family
and what the family represents. I mean, The family's actually
sort of in the healthcare industry, and they grandfather founded
a chain of nursing homes. In fact, they had to
pay a fifty five thousand dollars fine or reimbursement because somebody,
an employee, had committed some kind of fraud in his
(27:37):
grandfather's nursing home chain, and so they had to pay
back Medicare fifty five grand That was like the only
dirty thing that they found looking through the records. So
I don't know why everybody wants to now turn him
into a hero, which I'm sure he's very pleased by.
(27:59):
If he has access to the internet, he probably will
find many pages glorifying what he's done. And this is
usually the act of angry, frustrated people who can't change
the world quickly enough, And like Toddler's, this is very
much like a Toddler temper tantrum. If you give a
toddler a gun, what would he do? He'd probably start
(28:19):
shooting you if he didn't get his ice cream treat
on time. And that's what this is. It's a Toddler's
reaction to not being able to control the world, not
to change the world fast enough, or coming.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Up you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
A six forty.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Coming up after two o'clock. My councilwoman, Tracy Park, she's
the councilwoman for the eleventh district from the West side
of LA And I saw the greatest photo of her,
Nathan Hakman and the new Chief of Police, Jim McDonnell,
announcing that they're going to be spending hundreds of thousands
of dollars to fight crime and make the West Side
(28:58):
of La safer. And I'm looking at that picture, it's like, Wow,
you know that used to be George Gascone and Mike
Bonnen and police chief is Michael Moore, and it's like,
this is a whole new attitude, a whole new group
to bring to make life normal again, to make it
good again. So I'm gonna talk to Tracy Park about
(29:20):
what they're going to do, and she is, she is
the template for it. Now, every council person ought to
treat their district. Everybody in Los Angeles deserves a councilperson
who's going to do with what Tracy is doing for
the West Side. Uh. So She'll be on we have
(29:41):
we have Sad News. Gavin Newsom's former wife is now
Donald Trump Junior's former girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
She's getting something out of the relationship.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah yeah, Donald Trump Junior broke up with Kimberly Guilfoyle.
She's He's now running around with this socialite woman, a
tall blonde uh named Bettina Palm Beach, socialite, very rich,
and Kimberly is left by herself. So Dad is exiling
her to Greece. This is what happens in the Trump
(30:17):
family when you don't work out.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
But there's worse places to be.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
There are if you have to live in exile. Greece
is a good place to go. But probably she would
rather be a part of the Trump family. Is Trump
takes over again at the White House.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Missus Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, well they were, they were engaged. She was supposed
to she was supposed to marry Donald Trump Junior. And uh,
you know a lot of people think Donald Trump Junior
is going to run for president someday, turn it into
a family dynasty. So she's looking at first lady status.
She must be pissed, exactly. And now she's in Greece,
(31:00):
used by a woman who's at at least fifteen years
younger too.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Of course, that's how you guys roll.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
She was older than Trump Junior. He's forty six. I
believe she's fifty four, but the new woman's thirty eight.
Of course she is fifty five. Look at that she
got older.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Well, we all age a birthdays.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Kimberly is aging rapidly. She aged the year in the
last five minutes. And she was seeing that she was
Gavin Newsom. And I know she wanted to be first
Lady because you remember that photo of her and Gavin
where the headline was something about Camelot and they were
dressed like John and Jackie Kennedy, and she used to
(31:50):
wear her hair that way. And these photos that ran
in a Vanity Fair magazine, I think, no, not Vanity Fair, No,
I mean something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they got they they sprawled out on this expensive
carpeting at the at one of the Getty homes, one
of one of one of the wealthy Gettys gave over
their living room so that Gavin and Kimberly can do
their phone New York magazine. It was a New York magazine.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I think that's where it is.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I just I remember seeing it some years ago,
and Gavin looks ridiculous. I mean, he was so blatantly
trying to imitate the Kennedys, and I think Robert Kennedy
is one of his heroes.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Oh sorry, Harper's Bizarre.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Harper's Bizarre, that's it. One of those magazines used to
be really popular about, you know, fifty sixty years ago.
Uh so that's that's when. That's when she fantasized that
Gavin was going to run for president. I'm sure that's
what he talked about all the time. He's probably talked
about that since he was eight. Things didn't work out
with Gavin, so she moved into a presidential family. Maybe
(33:00):
Don Junior is going to continue the dynasty. But now
she's out there, and so now she's in Greece all
by yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
She'll find somebody there.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Maybe she could find Aristotle on Nassas's grant. There you go,
you kind of complete the whole circle. Are we come back.
We're going to talk to Tracy Park on the new
public safety measures that she and the district attorney and
the LA Police Chief are taking to get the crime
out of the West Side. And why isn't every council person,
(33:36):
why isn't every politician in the state doing this for
their town, for their county. Why the La County Supervisors,
why aren't they doing this stuff? Stop coddling the criminals,
the homeless in the legal aliens. Tho seemed to be
the only constituency that most politicians in California cater to.
(33:56):
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