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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John
Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app and if you miss
last hour, you ought to listen because it's pretty outrageous
what they're doing. Scott Wiener that emaciated a little worm
in San Francisco, he's a state senator, has a bill

(00:23):
that would when you buy a car starting with the
twenty twenty seven model a year, that car will have
what they call a speed governor in it. It will
limit your speed to only ten miles an hour over
the limit. That's it. If you're in a fifty five zone,
you can only go sixty five and then the car,

(00:47):
the car just won't go another mile per hour. That's
just it. You you hit the ceiling on it, which
is just atrocious invasion of your life. Somebody wrote to
me that he thinks this is a precursor so that
the government could just shut off your car when they want,

(01:09):
And he said, normally, I think that's a conspiracy theory,
but I'm starting to buy into this stuff, and I
feel the same way. Normally I would just laugh and say, oh,
that's a good one, but now I'm starting to wonder
because I think incrementally. They're trying to destroy the automobile
industry and destroy our freedom. Our freedom in America comes
from the ability to drive cars, because then we can

(01:31):
do whatever we want to do in life, travel where
we want to go, move and live, and have houses
in the suburbs, and have houses with wands and swimming pools.
And they want to destroy all this. And I know
there's only it's only a tiny fringe, but they're all
in government and a lot of them have power. And

(01:53):
if you don't take this seriously, look how far we've come.
You won't be able to buy a gas powered car
in a few years. You won't be able to buy
a car that goes more than ten miles over the limit.
You're not going to be able to drive on the
streets in La very freely anymore. If this Mobility twenty
thirty five plane gets its way, And that's the next

(02:15):
thing we're talking about. This is left over from Garcetti's time,
and it's a massive redesign of the streets between now
and twenty thirty five to make it safer and easier
for people to walk, bike and take transit, but make
it much harder to drive your car. The remnants of
the La Times editorial board came out in favor of

(02:35):
this in the past week. Let's get Chris lagras On
and he's with streets La. Right, that's the same of
your great John.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I know what this is. I've seen all the writing
about this before, but I guess this is taking a
leap forward in terms of it being implemented.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
This is a leap forward and a completely chaotic approach.
What they tried to do under Darsetti was these big
miss of projects, as you and I well know, and
by the way, have with keep La Moving, not street
is the city.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Department, and so your your organization is keep La Moving,
Keep La Moving, okay, And then streets La is that's
the city.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's the city, that's the rename that used to be
called the Bureau of Street Services. That sounded to bureaucratic
and boring, so now they call it streets La. But
those are the folks that pave our streets, keep our
streets in good working order. And last week they actually
wrote a letter to Mayor Bass and to the entire
city council saying that this initiative is fundamentally flawed. In

(03:48):
other words, the city agency that would benefit from this
in terms of needing a bigger budget, needing more human
resources to do this additional work. This should be a
boon for them. Then, even Streets LA is saying the
way this is being approached is fundamentally flawed. They actually
warn about the potential for failed streets. That's their language,

(04:12):
not ours, And for a government bureaucracy to speak in
those terms, that's the equivalent of you and I, you know,
taking off our shirts and screaming from the rooftops. They
also say that the initiative could slow down the team
street maintenance to a point on quoting here, to a
point where the overall city street system deteriorates, result safe

(04:37):
streets and higher costs to maintain those streets. So these people,
and by the way, John, this whole initiative is being
funded primarily by a hedge fund manager in New York
by the name of Aaron Sosnik. So this isn't even
a grassroots Los Angeles movement. This is some rich hedge

(04:58):
fund guy who has a lot of interest in real
estate and spending two million dollars of his own money
dramatically change LA's streets and even the department that would
benefit from it, and that would be implementing it is
saying it's catastrophically flawed.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
All right, well, I think we should emphasize here. This
is going to be on the March ballot on March
the fifth. It's going it's called Measure HLA, that's correct, correct,
And it would force the city force it to carry
out improvements in this Garcetti Mobility plan. And anytime city
departments repave one eighth of a mile, they have to

(05:39):
add all the improvements required in the plan. That could
mean bike lanes, bus lanes, what they call pedestrian enhancements,
and often that is all geared to taking away drivable
lanes in the street.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, And the key of this solid editionive on
the March fifth ballot. And remember, ballots are going to
start going out in a couple of weeks on February,
because we're all voting by mail now right, Yeah, so people,
you're actually going to start to spin this in your
mail box in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
And gress you there. Chris faded away, his phone went out,
all right, see if you can get him hooked up again.
I want to reiterate this because it hasn't gotten enough attention.
There's so much going on. This is really important. It's
going to be on the March ballot March fifth, when
you vote against George Gascon, you want to vote no

(06:36):
on Measure h LA. No, because what they'll do, as
bit by bit over time, restrict the driving lanes for
cars and constantly expand bike and bus lanes and other
things called pedestrian enhancements, which is just a fancy term

(07:00):
for more roadway that's not going to be used for
you to drive your car. Let's get Chris on again, Yes, sir,
all right, what's now?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Now?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
In all the all the weenies involved in government love
this thing. Do you have any sense about how normal
people feel or do they even? Are they even aware
of this mobility played on the ballot. Do they understand
what it's going to do?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
No? No, The vast majority of average folks do not
pay attention to things like street striping. And that's what
makes these plans particularly insidious, is because they have all
of these hugely deleterious effects literally on a day to
day basis, for millions of people in Los Angeles. But

(07:49):
this new approach would be so incremental that it would
be death by a thousand paper cups. Now imagine your
your regular routine commute to work, We're taking kids to
school and nice wide two or three lane Los Angeles
Boulevard now goes down to one lane and is filled
with obstacles and ballards and bull bouts and all of

(08:12):
that nonsense to take about five minutes to implement and
completely disrupt the flow of the street, which is why,
by the way, this initiative is actually violates multiple state
laws fire codes. As we talked about a couple of
weeks ago, all of these projects. Every single time the

(08:33):
city installs a single baller, that's called a traffic calming measure,
and under state, county and city fire codes, before they
can install it, they have to go to LAFD, propose
it to LAFD. LAFD has to analyze it, evaluate it,
and approve it. And if LAFD does not approve it,
it cannot go in.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Are they going to LAFD as absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And we have met with senior LAFD officials as well
as rank and file firefighters and paramedics, and to a person,
they oppose these measures. They don't appose Obviously, safe streets
They don't oppose making it easier for people to bike
and walk if that's how they want to get around,
but the way it is being implemented. First it was

(09:19):
these giant you know, Plia del Rey and mar Vista
and Foothill Boulevard out and someone's hunga in the valley
and on and on and that the road diets. So
much public the road diets, and that receives so much
public backlash, and no small part thanks to this show
that they are now going in the opposite direction and
saying we're just gonna sneak it by them. It's like

(09:41):
the Elmer Fudd approach to street maintenance. VELI very quiet,
I'm installing road diets.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh, they got it all over Santa Monica. It's absolutely infuriating.
I forgot. I always forget to mention the ballards. Those
are those those those posts, they're painted white or they
painted yellow, and they try to restrict traffic movement, especially
it inn and making right turns and sah yeah yi.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well these are particularly dangerous actually, because the average motorist
sees this plastic thing. It just looks like a piece
of plastic sitting in the road. What they don't realize
is that there's a steel anchor underneath that plastic that
if you even clip it, it's gonna take your car apart.
And they are so quick and easy to implement. And

(10:26):
you mentioned Santa Monica. Santa Monica, which by the way,
is facing a massive budget deficit, is facing a ongoing,
spiraling homeless crisis. Business is fleeing like you can't believe.
You know where they're spending their money. They bought a
special machine that drives down the street and rolls at
lays out new concrete medians in minutes. It's this big device.

(10:49):
I don't know how many millions of dollars or hundreds
of thousands of dollars they spent on it, and they're
driving it all over Santa Monica and it looks like
a dinosaur that is pooping concrete for lack of a
better description. And in five minutes, Ocean Boulevard went from
nice wide two lanes everybody can see everybody, to these

(11:10):
narrow one lanes with these new concrete medians on either
side of the street. And it took them, like I said, yes.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It is a special built machine and it makes.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
It with Los Angeles and makes it very difficult to
travel at at a decent speed. Chris, I gotta go.
I appreciate you coming on again, and let's keep talking
a lot between now in March fifth, because I grieve
with you. I don't think most people know this thing
even exists, let alone understand what it's going to do
to daily life in the city of Los Angeles. Thanks

(11:42):
for coming on.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Thanks so much. John, talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I can tell you firsthand because I'm frequently in
Santa Monica almost every day, and you don't want this
in La or any other city in La County or
Orange County. You do not want this. This is terrible
because the only purpose is to restrict automobile movement, nothing else.
The way that Scott Wiener's stupid bill wants to restrict

(12:05):
your speed. This wants to restrict your your free flowing movement.
It's going to take you much longer to get around.
Oh ay, this is a warrend.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM six.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Forty every hour, it seems it changes somewhat. And this
is apparent impending standoff between the federal government and the
state government. Is of Texas because the Republican governor there,
Greg Abbott, he has put up razor wire at the

(12:41):
Mexican border. It runs through a park and they are
preventing the federal government agents from coming in and cutting
the razor wire. Federal government had worn won a court
case saying that we want to cut the race and
federal policy Trump's state policy. Abbot is refusing, and he's

(13:06):
willing to put up his Texas National Guard against whatever
federal agents from Border Patrol, homeland security. It's a little murky.
We're going to have a correspondent come up, come on
in just a few minutes to try to explain what's
going on, because there are a lot of Democrats who
are telling the Biden administration screw Abbot, nationalize the Texas

(13:30):
National Guard. Because the way the National Guard works, you
may know, is that each state governor is the commander
in chief of his own national guard. California National Guard
is commanded by Governor Newsom, and it's that the way
for all fifty states. However, technically it's a national guard
and the president can overrule a governor. Now that hasn't

(13:55):
happened since the Eisenhower days in the nineteen fifties. We're
going to talk with News Nation's Southwest correspondent Olie Bradley
to explain what's going on here, because you're going to
have two different teams of law enforcement at odds tomorrow.

(14:15):
Now the latest on the Elseigundo Times. I mean, it's
quite a disaster. There's an entertainment site called the Wrap
dot com and they say that Sun Chiang, the owner
Patrick Suon Chiang, cut one hundred and fifteen jobs in
the newsroom and a day later, staffers showing up at

(14:37):
the Elsagundo offices were greeted by security guards. They were
checking to make sure that none of the fired writers
and editors were going to get in the building. They
were denied entry. And this is the most sweeping layoff
in the one hundred and forty two year here history
of the paper. Sun Chiang, according to the Rap, gutted

(15:01):
the Washington DC bureau, So I guess they now have
a non functioning Washington bureau. They fired the chief who
had won a Poetzer Prize as an investigative reporter, KIMBERL Kelly.
He laid off the business editor, a deputy, and three
business writers. He got rid of three sports beat writers,

(15:23):
including the reporters covering the Angels, the Dodgers, and the Clippers,
So you can forget about reading coverage of those teams anymore.
Got rid of the books editor, pushed out the music
editor and another Poltzer Prize winner and a poltr finalist photographer,

(15:44):
and they've gutted this new feature called de Los. It
was supposed to be aimed at the Latino population. It
was effectively dismantled. Now we touched on this yesterday. The
remaining journalists, the members of the union are squealing and
screaming over all the diversity hires that got cut. And

(16:09):
I read something here that minority hires were deeply impacted
by the layoffs, with the Latino caucus losing thirty eight
percent of its members, the Black caucus losing thirty three
percent of members. I thought caucuses were congressional organizations. I've
heard of the Latino and Black caucus, you know, the

(16:31):
in Congress or in the state legislature. But it looks
like the writers and editors at the LA Times had
their own ethnic and race caucuses. I mean, they're supposed
to just go to the news stories and write down
what they see and hear and then tell us what happened.
But apparently they break off into racial groups. Then there

(16:55):
was the AAPI that's the Asian American Pacific Islander, and
then the MANASA caucus men ASA, and I had to
look that up. Anybody want to guess what a NASA
caucus is, Debah, Have you ever heard this? Have not?
It is Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian Caucus and

(17:18):
all three are grouped together. That that was a caucus
at the LA times. They're so crazed and obsessed with
their diversity stuff, and this is the only thing the
Union is screaming about, of course, because they've all had
an obsession with these progressive politics. That's why people stop

(17:38):
reading the paper. Do you know they're Online traffic dropped
by thirty eight percent year to year in November thirty
eight percent. Because normal people don't spend their entire day
obsessing on race and ethnicity. They don't spend their whole
day worried about COVID, they don't spend their whole day
worried about climate change. They don't spend all their day

(18:01):
worried about people's genders, or their ethnicities, or their races
or anything else they don't. It's like Earth to the
La Times and the rest of the media. US normal
people out here don't care about this stuff, and we
don't have time to read about this nonsense. And this
was very telling that of all the things you could
criticize your boss for when he guts your newsroom, is

(18:26):
you're screaming about the diversity hires. What about how you
run off much of the audience with all your left
wing nonsense, which is true. The La Times is in
exactly the same category as bud Light, Target and Disney Movies.
People stopped buying the beer, stop buying Target clothing, stop

(18:48):
going to Disney movies, stopped reading the La Times because
of all this left wing propaganda that was being shut
down their throats. I I don't know. I don't think
anything's going to replace the othered Times, though, I mean
some of the writers do some good investigative work. We've

(19:09):
certainly read plenty of pieces. I'm not gonna be ampigrady here,
but much of the paper had had just gone to
hell with all this left wing progressive rot and now
they're pushing for our roads to basically be eliminated with
the mobility plan. They want George gascon back is the
d The hell with you? I have to read this.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A six.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I want to get into this right away. This story
has been developing all day. There is there could be
a standoff tomorrow between law enforcement from the state of
Texas and law enforcement from the federal government because the
Texas Governor, Greg Abbott has put razor wire up at
the border. The federal government wants it torn down. Abbot

(19:56):
has said no, and this is getting serious. We're going
to talk with Ollie Bradley from News Station, which is
the hot new cable news channel, and she's the Southwest correspondent.
So let's get Alie on here. How are you.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
What is going on? Because this story really is blown
up in the last twenty four hours.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, right now. The latest situation at the border obviously
this battle between Texas and the federal government. Twenty five
Republican governors have now come forward saying that they stand
in solidarity with Texas and its constitutional right to defend itself,
and Governor Greg Abbott is doubling down, digging in his
heel saying that he's invoked an invasion over a year ago.

(20:42):
He is doing what he needs to do to secure
the border in what he says is the federal government's absence. Now,
this week, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the
Biden administration allowing border patrol agents to cut through and
remove razor wire in order to apprehend migrants. So a
lot of people are saying Texas is defying this Gotis

(21:03):
ruling by putting up more razor wire. But the reality
is that nothing in this Gotis ruling says that Texas
can or can't do anything. It's about border patrol cutting
the razor wire. And the reason why border patrol is
cutting that wire in the first place is because those
individuals on the other side of that wire are on
US soil. They now become the responsibility of the United States.

(21:24):
Those individuals are literally waiting to be arrested. They're being
apprehended by border patrol because they're undocumented.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
So if border patrol doesn't go.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Through the wire or figure out a way to get
to them, then those people will likely become what they
call got aways. Those are people who have evaded law
enforcement who are never caught or apprehended, and so Border
Patrol is saying, or DHS is saying, we have to
be able to do our job and apprehend those people,
and Texas is doubling down and putting out more wire basically,
but the people are still coming through. They're coming in

(21:55):
through nearby Camado and Normandy, which is about twenty miles away.
We're still seeing some groups come through there. But this
fighting is continuing here and Governor Abbott is saying that
he's going to stick with this fight. He's not backing down.
There are calls right now from some Texas lawmakers where
they want the Texas National Guard to be controlled by

(22:17):
the federal government. Now, the Texas Air Guard and the
Texas Army National Guard can be federalized. However, the Texas
State Guard is fully supported and funded by the state,
so Texas will maintain control of that entity. So it's
going to be very interesting. Men and women down on
the front lines down there told me they're prepared to

(22:37):
be arrested if that's the next steps from the federal government,
if that's what they end up doing. So it's going
to be really interesting over the coming days. In the
recent letter, DHS said that they wanted full access to
Shelby Parks. That's the area that the State of Texas
has ceased from the city of Eagle Pass, and they
are saying they're giving Texas until tomorrow to give them access.

(22:59):
So we will see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
And then what happens. I mean, you've got armed law
enforcement on the Texas side and the US side, and
obviously nobody wants to use force here. So are they
just going to stare at each other?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
I mean, I guess that's what it would look like
if they came in and they federalized the different National
Guard entities, right, is that they would be able to
come in and control that. But I don't know what
the consequences are here because DHS hasn't laid that out.
They haven't said if you don't let us in, we're
going to use force. If you don't do this, we're
going to do this. So we haven't seen what DHS

(23:38):
is really kind of dangling over Texas as a threat
right now. So it's going to be interesting, Like you said,
is it going to be just kind of a standoff
or what the reality is? Border Patrol's not down there
knocking on the door trying to get into Shelby Park. Hey,
there aren't people crossing into Shelby Park right now, which
is where they used to process those people and transport them.
B Border Patrol has always had access to the boat rents.

(24:00):
You see Border Patrol going in and out of there
all day with their air boats because you can't block
off a navigable waterway, so the real brand is open
to border patrol. They have been utilizing that waterway since
this closure began. So again, you know agents I talk to,
they're saying, we don't want the access. It's the Biden
administration and DHS that wants the access. We want to

(24:20):
be out here catching the people who are trying to
evade law enforcement. We want to be out here securing
the border. We don't want to be tied up transporting
and processing people.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
From what I understand, Abbot's position is that Biden has
abdicated his constitutional responsibility to protect Texas in America from
an invasion, and he Abbot has has power under the
federal Constitution to protect his state in the absence of

(24:50):
the federal government doing its job. Is that does that
sound like what his argument is to you?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Absolutely, that's one hundred percent his argument, and Atorney General
Ken Paxton, who has doubled down on that as well.
Even in a letter that he had written in response
to the federal government putting pressure on the state of Texas,
he even said, you guys, DHS, the Biden administration has
said that you have the constitutional authority to secure the border.

(25:17):
And he said, so when are you going to start?
And so you know, they're saying, we're stepping up where
you're not. And that's what these twenty five Republican GOP
governors are also echoing if they're standing in solidarity with
Texas Governor Greg Abbott for doing the job that President
Biden's not. And here's the thing. Texas has seen numbers
drop across the board. Every sector in Texas has seen

(25:39):
numbers lower than they wore this time last year. People
are going to path of least resistance. They're going to Arizona.
There's no river there, it's cold right now. There's no
massive concerts in a wire or you know, shipping containers
in Arizona. So the Tucson sector has maintained to be
the busiest sector and it's still the busiest sector or

(26:00):
right now. But we looked at numbers from the timeframe
of a week in January when the park was seized
and closed, and we compared that to the week in
January last year, and across the board, Texas is seeing
fewer numbers, and so it does look like what they're
working is mate or what they're doing is having an impact.
But when it comes down to securing the nation, right,

(26:20):
Texas is only securing Texas. They're going to push people
to the outskirts and they're going to continue to come.
So it's not necessarily solving an illegal immigration issue, but
Texas that says, hey, we're protecting our constituents in our state.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Allie, thank you very much for coming on with us.
Excellent report.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Thank you so much for having me. Hopefully we can
chat again soon.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yes, Ali Bradley, and she's with News Nation. Look for
that on your cable system. It's a new news channel
and she's the Southwest correspondent Texas. I can't remember this
kind of revolt coming from a state government over anything
in my life. And Abbott is not backing down in

(27:02):
the least even after losing that Supreme Court decision. So
tomorrow could be an interesting day, I'm sure the Biden administration.
I don't know if Joe is aware of what's going on,
but certainly the Biden administration would would like a graceful
way out of this. It is not a good look
at an election of your campaign to be having a
face off with one state's national guard because the governor

(27:25):
thinks you've completely botched your border security plan. It's fascinating.
All right, We've got more coming up, and I do
want to get to this story about the Max nine jets,
which makes ever really happy that they're going to be
up in the Scottish Thrilled wrote twenty six A and B.

(27:45):
Remember that that's what you want. It's for a plug.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Well, they must have worked, those officials must have worked
well fast being able to check out all those planes.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI
A six forty coming up just a moment.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
We gotta, we gotta, we gotta run this story. In fact, Tony,
get uh which which uh? Get the thing about the
gig Get to think about the caves and Sacramento that
story ready?

Speaker 6 (28:12):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Or at Midestine that's where they are, all right? So
it's true. The Boeing CEO met with some US senators
on Capitol Hill yesterday. Uh and and David Calhoun's his name,
David Calhoun is the accountants guy who became the Boeing CEO.
And he's got he's got no defense for what happened,

(28:33):
because according to reports, it's Boeing that screwed up the
plane because they they took the door out, put it
back in, and apparently forgot the bolts. It was never
bolted back in the plane and that's why the door
plug went flying a couple of weeks ago. Leaving Portland

(28:56):
headed for Ontario, is headed down here in southern California.
So Calhoun says, I'm here today in the spirit of
transparency and to answer all their questions, because they have
a lot of them. I wish they would drop all
these officials, drop that word transparency, just say you're you're
gonna tell the truth. You're going to give all the details,

(29:17):
not hold anything back. All right, talk in English. I
don't know anyone in private life whoever used the word transparency.
And it wasn't always like this. It's one of these
words that all these idiot politicians and officials and media
people picked up on. It irritating as hell. So they're
still reviewing data on early inspections of the planes. Eventually

(29:43):
it's going to approve safety review instructions so the planes
can go back to service. It's going to happen soon,
but they will not predict, so they stopped trying to predict.
According to an FAA administrator, but as soon as we
get it sorted out, it'll be up again. And again,

(30:03):
this was the fuselage panel. It was a door plug
that was used in an exit door passageway and on
some models of the Max nine, depending on the airline configuration,
you don't need an exit in the back of the plane,
so they plug it up with a fake door and
that's what blew out. And it had been taken out

(30:28):
at the factory in Washington and then reinstalled, and somebody
forgot to put the bolts on, and whatever inspection process
there was or paperwork, there was, nobody caught it all. Right, Now,
let's go on to Modesto. A lot of media around
the country is picking this up because it is so bizarre.

(30:49):
You know, we've talked about something from time to time
called de evolution that and you see it in the streets, right,
You see people acting pre caveman line animal like because
of the mental illness, the drugs, and the fact that
laws aren't enforced anymore, and the beasts inside people are

(31:10):
now coming out and they're not acting like modern humans anymore. Well,
this is an example of it up in the Modesto
area where they found caves constructed for shelter by homeless people.
And let's listen to this news story from CBS thirteen Sacramento.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Hidden homeless caves jumps along the Tuolami River in Modesto.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
These are basically stairs that they made to get down
to the dwelling.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Tracy Rojas took us on the treacherous walk to see
the craters created near Crater Avenue and.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
If one of these were to collapse, it would be devastating.
This whole side would come down and into the water.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Seventy six hundred pounds of trash, that's how much was
cleared out by volunteer groups and police over the weekend.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
This was fully furnished. Yes, there was betting. There was
little things up on the mantle lack of a better word, mantle,
food items, drugs, gun.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
We had a hard time figure out how they got
so much stuff down in there, considering how hard it was,
it's always harder to get up the hill and get
it out.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Chris Scuptel was one of these volunteers who says they
found eight caves in total, but it wasn't the group's
first time down here.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
And we really don't have a known solution to deal
with it.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
In November twenty twenty two, CBS thirteen took a tour
of the cleared out caves, nowhere near as elaborate as
they are now.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
You can see the hooks on the wall where they
had bottles and things like that hanging down.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Painted pictures, and even a makeshift fireplace.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
This was someone's home.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
What do you think needs to be down to stop
this from happening? Well, I think we need more emphasis
on the homeless. I mean the point where you can
see torri that they're desperate.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
We ask Modesto police and the city what's being done
to prevent people from coming back to cave camp. The
response they will continue to monitor the area and connect
the homeless to services.

Speaker 7 (33:15):
It was already improven that people are willing to dig
those things out, so I don't think filling them back
in with any material would work.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
The caves cleared for now, but the neighborhood near the
river feeling no real sense of peace in this problem.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
It's a hazard for not only the homeless who live
in there, but the people who are walking up here.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yes, erosion, rising waters, washing the belongings into the river,
and contamination are all concerns. Rojas says that park rangers
are planning on putting up cameras around this area and
also signage making it an official park that way that
they can have more enforcement.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, well, there you go. So there is a solution.
You declare it a park. It becomes off limits for
these vagrants, and you put cameras up and you actually
track what's going on the video. And then when you
say you do patrols. And when you see people moving in,
I mean seventy six hundred pounds of trash. And they
went inside the caves and they were decorated with furnishings

(34:14):
like it was people's living rooms and bedrooms. There was
a table, there's crates filled with supplies, shelves, they had food, condiments,
and they couldn't figure out how the homeless people got
in there and lugged all this stuff up or down.

(34:35):
Actually they had to get it up the hill and
out and down into the caves. Well, obviously these people
are capable of doing some serious physical labor, right, that's
why this idea. Well, they're desperate, they're not desperate they
want to live outdoors. They want to live in the
caves because they're insane. They're mentally ill. And if we

(34:57):
were international society, these people put in a mental institution.
But we keep we have all these busts. I mean,
how many cliches and buzz phrases did you hear? You know,
and from the reporter too. When when the media and
government officials start talking to each other, it's just a
torrent of bull crap. It's just the same old You

(35:18):
have to have some more outreach focus on the home
is because of the desperation and they're insane, but they're strong,
aren't they. All of a sudden, they're willing to do work.
I mean, if you're able to create a mini apartment
and draggle your furniture up a hill and then down
into a cave, there's probably a lot of blue collar

(35:40):
jobs you'd be good at. They don't want that because
they can't deal with the responsibility. They can't deal with
the discipline, They can't deal with the human relationships that
you need to have when you work, because they're crazy.
Their bodies can physically do some of this stuff. Yeah,
local services. I mean, I'm just looking through these news
stories and it's just the same. And also they had

(36:04):
drugs and weapons because a lot of these guys are
just bad guys.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
These are the people who are let out of prison early,
let out of jail early. They commit crimes all the time.
That's how they exist. They steal stuff and they live
off their stolen goods. Are we come back? We got
a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, you know what.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
That trial is opening up here in La of that
rich woman whose husband founded the Grossman Burden Center, Rebecca Grossman.
She was the one who ran down those two little
kids in the valley in Westlake Village. And we will
talk about that trial because a jury has been impaneled.

(36:45):
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